irclog2html for #bzflag on 20030331

`00:02.08`	`*** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
`00:02.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~fly Noodleman`
`00:02.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~destroy`
`00:02.47`	`Patlabor221`	`ibot is gone`
`00:02.48`		`Patlabor221: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about`
`00:02.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~destroy noodleman`
`00:02.51`		`no`
`00:02.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`"NO"`
`00:03.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`00:03.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:)`
`00:03.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot is smart`
`00:03.15`		`[STC]_creeperz: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?`
`00:03.17`	`Patlabor221`	`ahh it game back`
`00:03.19`	`Patlabor221`	`it did get booted`
`00:03.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~part #bzflag`
`00:03.29`		`/part #BZFlag`
`00:03.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmmm`
`00:04.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, forget part #bzflag`
`00:04.03`		`i forgot part #bzflag, [STC]_creeperz`
`00:04.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, part is <action> /part #BZFlag`
`00:04.30`		`...but part is already something else...`
`00:04.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~part`
`00:04.46`		`/part`
`00:04.48`	`Patlabor221`	`so what is your uber keen game going to be called?`
`00:04.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Mine?`
`00:05.07`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`00:05.11`	`*** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~tucker@bc183148.bendcable.com)`
`00:05.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmmm, not sure yet`
`00:05.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But I have some of the basic coding done...I think I did it right`
`00:05.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It's a stationary cannon game`
`00:05.50`	`Patlabor221`	`ahh what does it do?`
`00:06.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Haven't tested it all that much`
`00:06.10`	`Patlabor221`	`does it even run?`
`00:06.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I just took some code from this other game that came with it :)`
`00:06.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Haven't really tried`
`00:06.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Let me try`
`00:07.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Nope`
`00:07.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ah well`
`00:07.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It's pointless`
`00:07.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'll never do anything`
`00:08.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Just sit home and slack off and be nothing but a wannabe`
`00:08.36`	`Patlabor221`	`you could try the tutorials`
`00:08.42`	`Patlabor221`	`and not try to do it all at once`
`00:08.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`00:08.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I didn't see any tutorials`
`00:09.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'll look for them`
`00:09.49`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.darkbasic.com/create.php?f=3d_tutorials_index.php`
`00:10.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`00:10.16`	`Patlabor221`	`and http://www.darkbasic.com/create/bm_tutorials/`
`00:16.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cool`
`00:16.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It's really cool, actually`
`00:16.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Sync On`
`00:16.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Sync Rate 30`
`00:16.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Make Object Sphere 1,100`
`00:16.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Do`
`00:16.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Sync`
`00:16.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Loop`
`00:16.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`.`
`00:16.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`This makes a sphere`
`00:16.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:`
`00:16.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Sync On`
`00:16.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Sync Rate 30`
`00:16.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Make Object Sphere 1,100`
`00:16.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Do`
`00:16.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Sync`
`00:16.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Loop`
`00:18.43`	`Patlabor221`	`see it's suposed to be easy`
`00:18.54`	`Patlabor221`	`with just straight C you can't do that that easy`
`00:21.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know`
`00:21.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I just made something kinda cool, too`
`00:22.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I make and post on bzedit.web1000.com/cube.exe`
`00:22.46`	`Patlabor221`	`who regeisted bzedit.web?`
`00:23.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I did`
`00:23.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Why?`
`00:23.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Brb`
`00:23.38`	`Patlabor221`	`cus it dosnt' resolve`
`00:24.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm?`
`00:24.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`00:24.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`last button don't load :)`
`00:24.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`http://bzedit.web1000.com`
`00:24.40`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhh`
`00:24.43`	`Patlabor221`	`funny`
`00:24.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`00:25.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`That was basically a test site`
`00:25.29`	`Patlabor221`	`why not just make a "test" folder in your main site`
`00:25.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But now it is the only site I have`
`00:25.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`BZEdit.web1000.com was my first FTP site`
`00:26.28`	`Patlabor221`	`dosn't look like they support file linking.`
`00:27.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`They do`
`00:27.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But they have a "protective" thing`
`00:28.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Because they're worried that you'll give a damn about hotlinking and using up your unlimited bandwidth`
`00:28.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`..Oh, I can't connect to it`
`00:28.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:)`
`00:28.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:\| :(`
`00:29.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Wanna try DB?`
`00:29.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`They have a stupid ad thing... Whenever you run the program`
`00:30.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Plus you need DirectX 7.0`
`00:30.34`	`Patlabor221`	`on 7`
`00:30.38`	`Patlabor221`	`that's not bad`
`00:32.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`OHHH!! It's awesome!`
`00:32.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I understand the up and down key for rotating kinda!`
`00:33.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`If it returns 0, (key up) then it will do the true action`
`00:33.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Or`
`00:33.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`if it returns 1, (key pressed) then it will do a true action`
`00:34.33`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah that would be a normal if statement`
`00:36.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yes`
`00:36.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But I never understood before this moment`
`00:36.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Mmmm, peachy`
`00:38.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm going to make a game like bzflag, yet with players and bots dedicated to ibot :)`
`00:38.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`AI players`
`00:38.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`The AI's will be "ibot 1" "ibot 2" ect.`
`00:39.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Pretty cool, I think`
`00:43.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Rotating is pretty tricky`
`00:43.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`If Leftkey()=1 then aY# = Wrapvalue(aY#+5)`
`00:43.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`If Rightkey()=1 then aY# = Wrapvalue(aY#-5)`
`00:47.35`	`Patlabor221`	`you should use time`
`00:47.38`	`Patlabor221`	`not a fixed amount`
`00:47.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What?`
`00:47.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Use time?`
`00:48.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What's fixed?`
`00:48.17`	`Patlabor221`	`every time thu your loop you add 5`
`00:48.21`	`Patlabor221`	`right?`
`00:48.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Add 5 what?`
`00:48.34`	`Patlabor221`	`looks like degrees`
`00:48.42`	`Patlabor221`	`aY#+5`
`00:48.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yes`
`00:49.10`	`Patlabor221`	`so what happens on my comptuer where it's faster`
`00:49.23`	`Patlabor221`	`and I go thru the loop twice as fast`
`00:49.34`	`Patlabor221`	`you still add 5 every time`
`00:49.40`	`Patlabor221`	`so I go twice as fast`
`00:49.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I don't understand`
`00:49.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Crayons please`
`00:49.54`	`Patlabor221`	`computers don't run the same speed`
`00:49.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know`
`00:50.12`	`Patlabor221`	`your not taking that into accunt`
`00:50.16`	`Patlabor221`	`but get the basics down first`
`00:50.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I just copy & pasted that from the tutorials`
`00:50.33`	`Patlabor221`	`i kknow`
`00:53.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No`
`00:53.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`DB messed up my screen!`
`00:53.45`	`Patlabor221`	`cap what should the permisions on a home dir be?`
`00:54.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`NO!`
`00:54.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I need to restart`
`00:54.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Brb`
`00:59.16`	`doughecka`	`~bzflist`
`00:59.27`	`doughecka`	`huh`
`01:01.51`	`*** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
`01:01.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Damn`
`01:02.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I had to reset my frickin' modem again`
`01:02.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Unplug, wait...wait...wait some more, plug it back in, restart again`
`01:02.48`	`*** part/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
`01:02.51`	`*** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
`01:02.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Jeff`
`01:03.07`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`01:03.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Can you scroll up and give me that link to the tutorials?`
`01:03.38`	`Patlabor221`	`<Patlabor221> http://www.darkbasic.com/create.php?f=3d_tutorials_index.php`
`01:03.41`	`Patlabor221`	`<[STC]_creeperz> Oh`
`01:03.41`	`Patlabor221`	`<Patlabor221> and http://www.darkbasic.com/create/bm_tutorials/`
`01:03.44`	`Patlabor221`	`bookmark them`
`01:03.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Thanks`
`01:04.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ctrl+b?`
`01:04.17`	`Patlabor221`	`just use the meny`
`01:04.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`01:42.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Can't beleive who is doing what?`
`01:42.36`	`Patlabor221`	`http://creeperz.bakadigital.com/`
`01:43.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Umm, heh, Thank you`
`01:43.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Umm`
`01:43.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Wow`
`01:43.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmmm, I have an idea`
`01:43.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I can use creeperz.com and use an auto-refresh to creeperz.bakadigital.com`
`01:44.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`?`
`01:44.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But Jeff, Tucker already promised me www.creeperz.com`
`01:44.28`	`Patlabor221`	`if you had a dns host serving creeperz.com`
`01:44.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But thank you`
`01:44.38`	`Patlabor221`	`I know, this is unitll he gets set up`
`01:44.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm?`
`01:44.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh, ok`
`01:44.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Thank you`
`01:44.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`FTP?`
`01:44.58`	`Patlabor221`	`you don't know what FTP is?`
`01:45.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No`
`01:45.13`	`Patlabor221`	`how did you send stuff to your other sites?`
`01:45.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Can I use FTP uploads?`
`01:45.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know what FTP is`
`01:45.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`File Transfer Protocol`
`01:45.35`	`Patlabor221`	`FTP is how you get stuff to the site`
`01:45.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know`
`01:45.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But do you support it?`
`01:45.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Or what?`
`01:45.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ohh, you don't host it :)`
`01:46.02`	`Patlabor221`	`uploads, yes you have an account to your folder`
`01:46.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ahh`
`01:46.14`	`Patlabor221`	`I made that account for you`
`01:46.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cool`
`01:46.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How do I access?`
`01:46.29`	`Patlabor221`	`with a FTP client`
`01:46.39`	`Patlabor221`	`how did you put files on your other sites?`
`01:46.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What is my: password, username, ect.`
`01:47.00`	`Patlabor221`	`check the flashing window`
`01:47.09`	`Patlabor221`	`I sent them in a query`
`01:47.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ohhh, thnx`
`01:47.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`BRB`
`01:47.29`	`Patlabor221`	`you will need a FTP client for uploading web content anyway`
`01:47.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Again, thank you`
`01:47.34`	`Patlabor221`	`sure`
`01:47.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know`
`01:47.42`	`Patlabor221`	`even for noodle`
`01:47.47`	`Patlabor221`	`how did you do it before`
`01:48.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Do what before?`
`01:48.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmmm, everything is all strange`
`01:48.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I think my system just went half DOS, half ME!`
`01:48.44`	`Noodleman`	`coo`
`01:48.53`	`Patlabor221`	`noodle how do I keep him in his home dir?`
`01:49.04`	`Noodleman`	`which ftp server?`
`01:49.10`	`Patlabor221`	`vsftpd`
`01:49.21`	`Noodleman`	`dunno, i use proftpd`
`01:50.36`	`Noodleman`	`i discovered that uncapping a cable modem is a very trivial exercise :-)`
`01:50.43`	`Noodleman`	`i didn't really do it`
`01:50.52`	`Noodleman`	`but i figured out how`
`01:51.17`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhh`
`01:51.27`	`Patlabor221`	`hmm seems to be some form of chroot what ever the hell that is`
`01:51.44`	`Noodleman`	`yup`
`01:51.44`	`Noodleman`	`that's right`
`01:51.51`	`Patlabor221`	`how do I do that?`
`01:52.01`	`Noodleman`	`depends on the ftp server`
`01:52.10`	`Noodleman`	`it should have some options in the config file`
`01:52.15`	`*** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
`01:53.00`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh and there it is :)`
`01:53.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`That was queer`
`01:53.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Queer meaning weird`
`01:53.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm`
`01:53.44`	`Noodleman`	`uh huh...`
`01:53.59`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`01:54.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Noodle: I can get creeperz.com by Tuesday?`
`01:54.10`	`Noodleman`	`probably not`
`01:54.19`	`doughecka`	`he getting a ethernet card that day`
`01:54.24`	`doughecka`	`hes all tied up`
`01:54.36`	`Noodleman`	`i need to get noodleroni back up, then i need to set up your space and add you to dns`
`01:54.53`	`Noodleman`	`then you need to update your domain name record`
`01:55.15`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhh there we go all chrooted, that was easy`
`01:55.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh yes`
`01:55.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`My domain name record?`
`01:55.41`	`Patlabor221`	`noodle if you just want to dns point him to me you can. if it's too much work`
`01:55.55`	`Noodleman`	`that's fine`
`01:56.00`	`Patlabor221`	`creeper who is your dns host?`
`01:56.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`None now`
`01:56.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I deleted creeperz.com`
`01:56.51`	`Patlabor221`	`no you just killed the webspace`
`01:56.56`	`Noodleman`	`whois creeperz.com returns 'No match for "creeperz.com" in the registrar database.'`
`01:57.04`	`Noodleman`	`ouch`
`01:57.35`	`Patlabor221`	`LOL`
`01:57.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What?`
`01:57.50`	`Patlabor221`	`dood you killed the registration too`
`01:57.55`	`doughecka`	`it be gone`
`01:58.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`01:58.00`	`Patlabor221`	`you have to reregister`
`01:58.05`	`Patlabor221`	`or get it fixed`
`01:58.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmmm`
`01:58.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I can get it back up...`
`01:58.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And then just change my DNS?`
`01:58.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`To point to Noodle's?`
`01:58.39`	`Patlabor221`	`well what do they give you as options, an IP to point to?`
`01:58.44`	`Patlabor221`	`or 2 dns servers?`
`01:58.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm, I think 2 DNS servers... I'll have to check`
`01:59.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`www.godaddy.com`
`01:59.20`	`Patlabor221`	`they do both, I don't know what service you signed up for`
`01:59.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Junior`
`01:59.42`	`Patlabor221`	`if it's 2 or 3 DNS servers, then you will have to ask Noodleman to host your DNS for you`
`01:59.52`	`Patlabor221`	`that was your web service`
`01:59.56`	`Patlabor221`	`seperate from domain reg`
`02:00.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`He was going to anyhow`
`02:00.37`	`Patlabor221`	`actualy you just asked him for webspace`
`02:00.53`	`Patlabor221`	`you could have a place like no-ip.com do your dns for you`
`02:01.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I thought he said that he would host DNS`
`02:01.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm`
`02:01.29`	`Patlabor221`	`perhaps`
`02:01.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I think he did`
`02:01.45`	`Patlabor221`	`but then you have to wait for him to set that up`
`02:01.45`	`Noodleman`	`i will host your dns`
`02:01.50`	`Patlabor221`	`then a day or 2 propigation time`
`02:02.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`See?`
`02:02.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Thanks, Noodleman`
`02:02.13`	`Patlabor221`	`then just have him Cname it to creeperz.bakadigital.com`
`02:02.18`	`Patlabor221`	`and you'll be good`
`02:02.18`	`Noodleman`	`propagation should be instant as soon as the whois is updated`
`02:02.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`So I need to re-establish creeperz.com?`
`02:02.41`	`Patlabor221`	`yes, it's your domain`
`02:02.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`On godaddy.com?`
`02:02.57`	`Patlabor221`	`yes that is tyour registrar`
`02:03.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`02:03.18`	`Patlabor221`	`and you want to point it to noodles dns servers`
`02:03.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`02:03.49`	`Noodleman`	`when i get back up, i'll tell you what those servers are`
`02:04.07`	`Noodleman`	`now that i have a static ip, one of them is going to be at home :-)`
`02:04.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And this way I'll get PHP, CGI, everything for just paying for godaddy.com?`
`02:04.23`	`Noodleman`	`yup`
`02:04.23`	`Patlabor221`	`odd you have no whois, but you resolve, so somone is hosting your dns`
`02:04.39`	`Patlabor221`	`yes, I have php, and mysql, and all that`
`02:04.45`	`Patlabor221`	`it's the same machine bzbb is on`
`02:04.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm talking about Noodle's`
`02:05.05`	`Noodleman`	`i've got all those too, so take your pick :-)`
`02:05.18`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah he's on cable, I'm on a T1`
`02:05.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`02:05.28`	`Noodleman`	`noodleroni is on a T1`
`02:05.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What is a T1 anyway?`
`02:05.34`	`Patlabor221`	`then they shoudl be the same`
`02:05.39`	`Noodleman`	`it's not on my cable at home`
`02:05.44`	`Patlabor221`	`1.5 megs bidiretional`
`02:05.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Dang...`
`02:05.49`	`Patlabor221`	`nooleroni is probably a faster host`
`02:05.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea :)`
`02:05.59`	`Patlabor221`	`machien wise`
`02:06.03`	`Patlabor221`	`but that dosn't mater much`
`02:06.03`	`Noodleman`	`what speed is your server?`
`02:06.08`	`Patlabor221`	`P3 450`
`02:06.19`	`Patlabor221`	`soon to be a Via C3 750`
`02:06.29`	`Patlabor221`	`when the flipin ram comes in`
`02:06.29`	`Noodleman`	`mine's an athlon 1.2 with 256megs of ram`
`02:06.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'll re-register tomorrow. I can't now`
`02:06.42`	`Patlabor221`	`you have more speed, I have more ram`
`02:06.47`	`Noodleman`	`yup`
`02:06.53`	`Patlabor221`	`384`
`02:06.53`	`Patlabor221`	`in there now`
`02:07.00`	`Patlabor221`	`gonna be 512`
`02:07.09`	`Noodleman`	`i had 512 of ddr, but it was overkill, so i put it in my workstation :-)`
`02:07.17`	`Patlabor221`	`sure makes sense`
`02:07.26`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm kinda scared of the Via CPU`
`02:07.31`	`Patlabor221`	`it's tiny`
`02:07.31`	`Noodleman`	`why's that?`
`02:07.36`	`Patlabor221`	`no fan`
`02:07.41`	`Patlabor221`	`looks like a southbridge`
`02:07.47`	`Patlabor221`	`but it's the CPU`
`02:07.47`	`Noodleman`	`i use those fine`
`02:07.58`	`doughecka`	`and the processor is soldered to the board?`
`02:07.58`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`02:07.58`	`Noodleman`	`yup`
`02:08.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`?!`
`02:08.04`	`doughecka`	`cool`
`02:08.10`	`Patlabor221`	`they are totalty disposable`
`02:08.15`	`Noodleman`	`i have a diskless workstation`
`02:08.20`	`doughecka`	`how much are they?`
`02:08.30`	`Noodleman`	`i cut all the fans and it runs perfecly quiet`
`02:08.30`	`Patlabor221`	`we got that system for like $150`
`02:08.35`	`doughecka`	`wow`
`02:08.40`	`Patlabor221`	`64 megs of ram`
`02:08.40`	`Patlabor221`	`a 1 gig drive`
`02:08.54`	`Patlabor221`	`a 32x cd and aflpy drive`
`02:09.00`	`doughecka`	`sheesh`
`02:09.00`	`Patlabor221`	`and "linux"`
`02:09.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Noodle: was it you who painted a computer for your girlfriend?`
`02:09.06`	`Noodleman`	`lindows linux?`
`02:09.11`	`Patlabor221`	`no no no`
`02:09.11`	`Noodleman`	`no`
`02:09.11`	`Patlabor221`	`not even that nice`
`02:09.16`	`Patlabor221`	`I have no clue what it was`
`02:09.21`	`Noodleman`	`i don't even have a girlfriend :-P`
`02:09.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh :)`
`02:09.32`	`Patlabor221`	`had this mail/web shell`
`02:09.32`	`Patlabor221`	`and that was it`
`02:09.43`	`Patlabor221`	`it was scary`
`02:09.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hooray to the single men of America!`
`02:09.48`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`02:10.14`	`Patlabor221`	`well you all have to belong to the single young adults of america`
`02:10.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Jeff: Do you have any maps?`
`02:10.25`	`Patlabor221`	`of?`
`02:10.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`BZFlag`
`02:10.41`	`Patlabor221`	`nope`
`02:10.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Forgot to mention that earlier. Sorry`
`02:10.47`	`doughecka`	`single men of america`
`02:10.52`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`02:10.57`	`Patlabor221`	`well none that are not named "crap" for various reasons`
`02:11.08`	`Noodleman`	`i'm 17, and have never kissed a girl yet`
`02:11.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You have the best Map Maker for BZFlag and your telling me you don't have a map?`
`02:11.25`	`Noodleman`	`jzaun said he was 18 before he did`
`02:11.30`	`Patlabor221`	`wow`
`02:11.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Noodleman: Same`
`02:11.46`	`Patlabor221`	`like I said they all say crap`
`02:12.34`	`Noodleman`	`i plan on painting a computer black on the outside, purple on the inside with neon lights inside and a window :-)`
`02:12.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Noodleman: What are yu working on?`
`02:12.44`	`Noodleman`	`nothing right now`
`02:12.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmmm`
`02:12.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`www.ThinkGeek.com ;)`
`02:13.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`They have one on there`
`02:13.05`	`Noodleman`	`"wastin' time with the chat room yakkers"`
`02:13.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Your daughter came onto my property and she kick my dog!`
`02:13.36`	`doughecka`	`doesnt even`
`02:13.41`	`doughecka`	`waste of money`
`02:13.41`	`Noodleman`	`it's all about the pentiums is pretty funny :-)`
`02:13.46`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`02:14.39`	`Noodleman`	`http://www.thepentiums.com/lyrics.html`
`02:15.43`	`Patlabor221`	`here is the game for all the Single young men of america`
`02:15.48`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.bakadigital.com/meow.png`
`02:16.56`	`Patlabor221`	`it has inverse nipomatics`
`02:17.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`"What kinda chip you got in there, a Dorito?`
`02:18.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I shot them out of my nose :)`
`02:18.10`	`Noodleman`	`haha`
`02:18.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I was playing Mou, and eating Doritoes. Then someone did something funny. I got my nose cleaned out earlier today`
`02:19.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Dead or Alive: Volleyball!`
`02:19.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:o`
`02:19.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Game looks nice now!`
`02:19.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`;)`
`02:19.53`	`Patlabor221`	`it has visible panty line`
`02:19.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`02:20.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Brb`
`02:20.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm setting my default image viewer back to IV`
`02:21.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ahhh`
`02:22.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`IrfanView is awesome`
`02:22.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You can rename pretty much any file name`
`02:22.30`	`Patlabor221`	`just wait till you get a real os`
`02:22.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ahhh`
`02:22.46`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`02:22.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Red Hat: So near...Yet so far...`
`02:23.06`	`doughecka`	`knoppix...`
`02:23.10`	`doughecka`	`you have a cd burner?`
`02:23.18`	`Patlabor221`	`you'd be done downloadint it by now`
`02:23.27`	`doughecka`	`download knoppix, its a cd bootable linux dist`
`02:23.48`	`Noodleman`	`i think he has dialup tho`
`02:23.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What do I have to do to download Red Hat?`
`02:23.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Me?`
`02:23.59`	`Patlabor221`	`go do redhat.com`
`02:24.03`	`Patlabor221`	`click on each ISO`
`02:24.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`www.redhat.com`
`02:24.08`	`Patlabor221`	`wait`
`02:24.08`	`Patlabor221`	`make CD`
`02:24.08`	`Noodleman`	`do you have dialup, [STC]_creeperz?`
`02:24.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No`
`02:24.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cable`
`02:24.17`	`Patlabor221`	`he's on cable`
`02:24.17`	`Patlabor221`	`he should be fine`
`02:24.17`	`Noodleman`	`ah`
`02:24.22`	`doughecka`	`Terry Caulfield`
`02:24.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea?`
`02:24.32`	`Noodleman`	`i thought he had dialup :-)`
`02:24.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Doug Heckaman`
`02:24.42`	`Patlabor221`	`no, tha'ts why I said he would be done by now`
`02:24.47`	`doughecka`	`wow, I love burning cds in 4 min.`
`02:24.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`wow, I love not having a CD burner!`
`02:25.02`	`doughecka`	`3:34`
`02:25.08`	`Patlabor221`	`you don't have one?`
`02:25.14`	`Patlabor221`	`how do you live?`
`02:25.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Nope`
`02:25.19`	`doughecka`	`bing, cd burned`
`02:25.24`	`Patlabor221`	`well then don't get the isos`
`02:25.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Air, Food, Water`
`02:25.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm?`
`02:25.41`	`Noodleman`	`the only reason i have one is for burning linux distros`
`02:25.41`	`Patlabor221`	`you think that's air your breathing?`
`02:25.45`	`doughecka`	`get the boot floppy and hope you can install over hte inernet`
`02:25.50`	`Noodleman`	`g2g, l8r d00dz`
`02:25.50`	`Patlabor221`	`you could do an FTP install`
`02:25.55`	`Patlabor221`	`see ya noodle`
`02:26.00`	`doughecka`	`cya`
`02:26.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How?`
`02:26.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Bye`
`02:26.06`	`Patlabor221`	`get there boot image`
`02:26.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm?`
`02:26.17`	`Patlabor221`	`make a boot flopy`
`02:26.17`	`Patlabor221`	`let it fly`
`02:26.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Wait`
`02:26.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm not going to try Linux yet`
`02:26.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I could screw up my whole computer`
`02:26.48`	`Patlabor221`	`I asked you onece if you had a CDR and you said yes`
`02:26.53`	`Patlabor221`	`no, not realy just dual boot`
`02:26.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No`
`02:27.17`	`Patlabor221`	`do you know anyone with a burner?`
`02:27.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yes...No`
`02:27.39`	`Patlabor221`	`well what one is it?`
`02:27.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No`
`02:27.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I don't...No`
`02:28.24`	`Patlabor221`	`well then you could make some more friends or get a cheap ass burner`
`02:28.52`	`Patlabor221`	`I think doug likes you, he'll probably make some for ya`
`02:29.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Burn me a CD?`
`02:29.20`	`Patlabor221`	`sure`
`02:29.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I can ask him...But I don't really think he likes me`
`02:29.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'll pay him`
`02:29.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`$2 a disc sound reasonable?`
`02:30.29`	`Patlabor221`	`they cost like 0.25$ each so sure`
`02:30.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But postage, too`
`02:30.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Fragile postage is not cheap`
`02:31.02`	`doughecka`	`wow!`
`02:31.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`$1.50`
`02:31.21`	`doughecka`	`I hibernated`
`02:31.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`02:31.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Which one?`
`02:31.31`	`Patlabor221`	`wind waker`
`02:31.36`	`doughecka`	`windows, then rebooted into linux, then had it boot and autoconfigure`
`02:31.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Doug`
`02:31.46`	`Patlabor221`	`keen`
`02:31.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Brb`
`02:31.51`	`doughecka`	`mouse dint work, so I reboot back into windows and pick my irc connection back up`
`02:31.57`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`02:32.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Doug`
`02:32.33`	`doughecka`	`?`
`02:32.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Can you burn Red Hat for me?`
`02:32.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`BRB`
`02:32.52`	`doughecka`	`nope`
`02:32.57`	`doughecka`	`its cheaper other places`
`02:33.14`	`doughecka`	`better yet, get a whole linux cd pack for 11 buck, comes with all the linux dists`
`02:33.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yes`
`02:33.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But I will be happy to pay you for them`
`02:34.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`$1.00 a disc sound reasonable?`
`02:34.07`	`doughecka`	`I dont have the time to download 3 cds`
`02:34.09`	`doughecka`	`:(`
`02:34.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Darn...`
`02:34.20`	`doughecka`	`would take many days`
`02:34.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cable, too?`
`02:34.35`	`doughecka`	`dsl`
`02:34.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`On ME?`
`02:34.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`02:34.46`	`doughecka`	`XP`
`02:34.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmmm`
`02:34.53`	`doughecka`	`mirrors are slow`
`02:34.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yes`
`02:35.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'll just buy the discs for $11`
`02:35.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Where?`
`02:35.16`	`doughecka`	`EBAY!`
`02:35.18`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`02:35.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`www.ebay.com`
`02:35.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Used?`
`02:35.36`	`doughecka`	`hm`
`02:35.36`	`doughecka`	`no`
`02:35.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Good`
`02:35.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Thanks`
`02:36.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Search Term?`
`02:36.09`	`doughecka`	`linux`
`02:36.13`	`doughecka`	`linux cds`
`02:36.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`02:36.15`	`doughecka`	`I dunno`
`02:36.22`	`doughecka`	`havent checked for many months`
`02:36.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What is the latest Linux?`
`02:36.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Red Hat*`
`02:36.35`	`doughecka`	`um`
`02:36.37`	`doughecka`	`dunno`
`02:36.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`www.redhat.com`
`02:37.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`8.0`
`02:42.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmmm, someone already took the ebay ID "creeperz"`
`02:46.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`5 discs?`
`02:49.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Is Suse 8.1 good?`
`02:49.39`	`doughecka`	`dunno`
`02:49.41`	`doughecka`	`never used it`
`02:50.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Mandrake good price? 1.50`
`02:50.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`$1.99`
`02:50.30`	`doughecka`	`its all free`
`02:50.36`	`doughecka`	`so it should be cheap`
`02:50.44`	`doughecka`	`for only the cost of the cds`
`02:50.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`02:51.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`SuSe looks pretty...cool`
`02:51.11`	`doughecka`	`brb'`
`02:51.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3600831855&ssPageName=MERC01`
`02:51.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Knoppix?`
`02:51.48`	`doughecka`	`a linux`
`02:51.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`02:52.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Better than Red Hat?`
`02:52.13`	`doughecka`	`maybe`
`02:52.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How is it that you can reboot and still be here?`
`02:52.55`	`doughecka`	`it was fast`
`02:53.11`	`doughecka`	`but this time I will be gone and it will time out`
`02:54.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm?`
`02:54.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But how can you switch back and forth without disconnecting?`
`02:58.51`	`doughecka`	`wow`
`02:58.55`	`doughecka`	`did I get back ok?`
`02:58.57`	`doughecka`	`wee`
`02:59.00`	`doughecka`	`I hibernated`
`02:59.09`	`doughecka`	`and then I restarted with the cd in`
`02:59.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm`
`02:59.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`02:59.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`So it switches pretty smoothly?`
`02:59.36`	`doughecka`	`not really`
`02:59.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh :)`
`02:59.50`	`doughecka`	`once I get my mouse workin it will time out forsure`
`03:00.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Why not just shut down and restart?`
`03:00.25`	`doughecka`	`takes time`
`03:00.29`	`doughecka`	`hibernated is fast`
`03:00.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`03:02.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Dang`
`03:02.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I need to get off`
`03:02.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`See yu later, Doug`
`03:02.26`	`doughecka`	`k`
`03:02.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Tomorrow`
`03:02.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Bye`
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`03:43.29`	`doughecka`	`greetings`
`05:33.37`	`Noodleman`	`coo`
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`06:54.51`	`MrApathyCream`	`ibot, internet snapshot?`
`06:54.52`		`MrApathyCream: i haven't a clue`
`07:14.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`ibot, bzflag wake scheduled?`
`07:14.22`		`i don't know, MrApathyCream`
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`10:27.45`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`mornin`
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`10:30.24`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`he [dmp]`
`10:30.29`	`bomber`	`hi tea`
`10:30.36`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`[dmp]: long time no see`
`10:30.39`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`bomber au :o)`
`10:30.57`	`[dmp]`	`Well, I'm not the one to blame for that :)`
`10:31.18`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`lol`
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`10:39.00`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`meh`
`10:39.02`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`alles tot`
`10:40.33`	`larsl`	`Hello.`
`10:44.28`	`larsl`	`~towers`
`10:44.37`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~banana`
`10:46.44`	`[dmp]`	`banana?`
`10:49.32`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:o)`
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`11:15.43`		`timriker <~timr@proxyle02.ext.ti.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 1d 5h 34m 14s ago, saying: 'nite all'.`
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`12:19.37`	`[T\|T]_`	`shit WLAN`
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`12:54.30`	`doughecka`	`greetings`
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`12:56.11`	`[TeA\|TrEE]_`	`hmm`
`12:56.17`	`[TeA\|TrEE]_`	`cant find servers in bz`
`12:56.24`	`larsl`	`~bzfquery`
`12:56.45`	`[TeA\|TrEE]_`	`oh no`
`12:56.47`	`[TeA\|TrEE]_`	`it works`
`12:56.49`	`larsl`	`~bzflist`
`12:57.00`	`larsl`	`~towers`
`12:57.08`	`[TeA\|TrEE]_`	`larsl_ does antialising in bz do any differnce?`
`12:57.17`	`larsl`	`plok(G)0(0-0)No Players ?`
`12:57.27`	`larsl`	`[TeA\|TrEE]_: Any difference to what?`
`12:57.34`	`[TeA\|TrEE]_`	`grafics`
`12:58.05`	`larsl`	`I suppose they get anti-aliased... I haven't tried it.`
`12:58.20`	`[TeA\|TrEE]_`	`hmm`
`12:58.32`	`larsl`	`Where did you see that setting?`
`12:59.35`	`[TeA\|TrEE]_`	`no i ment on normal desktop settings`
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`12:59.44`	`doughecka`	`greetings`
`12:59.49`	`larsl`	`~towers`
`12:59.53`	`larsl`	`Greetings.`
`13:00.04`	`[TeA\|TrEE]_`	`doughecka: hello`
`13:03.59`	`larsl`	`I'm too lazy, though.`
`13:04.38`	`[TeA\|TrEE]_`	`hmm`
`13:04.41`	`Jormungandr`	`dead flags are annoying :)`
`13:04.50`	`larsl`	`Especially dead team flags.`
`13:05.01`	`Jormungandr`	`yeah`
`13:05.48`	`Jormungandr`	`~bzflist`
`13:06.02`	`Jormungandr`	`~secretplace`
`13:06.53`	`Jormungandr`	`so pocito queso means "pour on the cheese til I choke" this morning. :/`
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`13:19.16`	`bomber`	`~ducati6`
`13:19.24`	`[TeA\|TrEE]_`	`jojoj`
`13:20.42`	`Jormungandr`	`http://tv.yahoo.com/news/wwn/20030319/104808600007.html`
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`13:21.46`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`13:22.04`	`Jormungandr`	`read it. it's really kinda interesting. :)`
`13:22.42`	`doughecka`	`its not even april 1st!`
`13:22.47`	`doughecka`	`come on!`
`13:22.50`	`[TeA\|TrEE]_`	`hmm`
`13:22.53`	`[TeA\|TrEE]_`	`need help`
`13:22.57`	`[TeA\|TrEE]_`	`im dumm`
`13:23.01`	`Jormungandr`	`I know. and this was posted a few months ago.`
`13:23.11`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`13:23.23`	`doughecka`	`Wednesday March 19, 2003`
`13:23.51`	`Jormungandr`	`supposedly he was arrested in jan/feb`
`13:23.57`	`doughecka`	`heh`
`13:24.02`	`Jormungandr`	`hrm.`
`13:24.22`	`Jormungandr`	`looks like this might have originally been a "weekly world news" story.`
`13:24.29`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`13:38.23`	`bomber`	`lol`
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`14:09.34`	`[TeA\|TrEE]_`	`somewone around`
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`16:00.02`	`[TeA\|TrEE]_`	`beck`
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`16:32.50`	`Cell`	`lo`
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`16:49.36`	`Cell`	`hm, can i store a 2 mainfold surface(mesh) i a wa way(tree) that it takes me at most O(log(#tris)) operations to get the tri that is hit by a ray if it is?`
`16:52.11`	`Cell`	`gurgle`
`16:52.21`	`Cell`	`a hash table maybe`
`16:52.35`	`Cell`	`that is even faster`
`16:53.05`	`Cell`	`but donno what should be the key`
`16:53.28`	`captain_proton`	`you might be able to do a quadtree-type approach to narrow it down - i don't think you can get pure O(log(N))`
`16:53.32`	`captain_proton`	`err`
`16:53.33`	`captain_proton`	`octree`
`16:54.03`	`Cell`	`hm thought about that`
`16:54.21`	`captain_proton`	`if you project the ray through the octree, you know which groups of polygons you have to test`
`16:54.31`	`Cell`	`yes`
`16:54.43`	`captain_proton`	`and you can order it to minimize the number of intersection tests`
`16:55.04`	`Cell`	`order?`
`16:55.18`	`captain_proton`	`sort the groups by distance`
`16:55.23`	`Cell`	`ah`
`16:55.46`	`Cell`	`and another problem is to get the polys undera rectangle?`
`16:55.49`	`Cell`	`or circle`
`16:56.11`	`Cell`	`would that work with octree`
`16:56.17`	`Cell`	`need clipping`
`16:57.35`	`Cell`	`a big problem with this is to get only the front faces not the back faces, and (and that is the big diff) only the faces of the front faces that are visible`
`16:57.55`	`Cell`	`in the rectangular area of the screen`
`16:58.20`	`Cell`	`so i have to intersect the octree against a frustum`
`16:58.47`	`Cell`	`and collect all faces inside the frustum and that that intersect it`
`16:59.00`	`Cell`	`i collect only front faces`
`16:59.25`	`Cell`	`but then i have to check which of the collected front faces are actually visible`
`16:59.41`	`Cell`	`or not hidden by other front faces in the collection`
`17:00.19`	`Cell`	`i donno what to do?`
`17:03.21`	`ak\|ra`	`kopfstand, wackel mit den beinen`
`17:03.42`	`ak\|ra`	`:)`
`17:03.51`	`Cell`	`its much nicer to collect faces into a selection list that are within a pick rectangle then mark them as selected, but its damn slower :(`
`17:04.28`	`Cell`	`cause the list has to allocate dynamic memory`
`17:04.42`	`Cell`	`many times`
`17:04.57`	`Cell`	`and copy`
`17:05.25`	`ak\|ra`	`use vectors`
`17:05.27`	`Cell`	`like the vector template class in c++`
`17:05.39`	`Cell`	`its slow`
`17:05.51`	`ak\|ra`	`its faster then the list`
`17:05.51`	`Cell`	`if it grows dynamically`
`17:06.05`	`ak\|ra`	`even then`
`17:06.10`	`Cell`	`i use ArrayList same as vector`
`17:06.28`	`ak\|ra`	`because it grows not +1 -> 2*oldsize`
`17:07.00`	`ak\|ra`	`but you can hack some stuff in assembler :) thats very fast`
`17:07.12`	`Cell`	`yeah but i have 100k polys so it grows about 17 times cause 17^2 = 100k`
`17:07.26`	`Cell`	`2^17`
`17:07.31`	`Cell`	`~2^17`
`17:07.31`		`19`
`17:07.38`	`Cell`	`ups`
`17:08.15`	`ak\|ra`	`ich meine wenn der platz nicht mehr ausreicht, den der vector vorher anfordern musste`
`17:08.18`	`ak\|ra`	`nicht jedesmall`
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`17:09.24`	`Cell`	`ja ich benutze vector und es ist zu langsam, darum markiere ich lieber selktirete dreicke anstatt sie im vector zu sammeln`
`17:11.48`	`Cell`	`what maximal zise (in bits) do i need to save anarbitrary subset of the set of numbers{0,1,2,3,....,100k-1} ?`
`17:12.24`	`Patlabor221`	`up to how large?`
`17:12.35`	`Cell`	`i mean i dont need 100k * sizeof(int)`
`17:12.52`	`Cell`	`i gets into a smaller one`
`17:13.15`	`Patlabor221`	`you want to pack them?`
`17:13.22`	`Patlabor221`	`like a packed aray?`
`17:14.02`	`Cell`	`yes, but i want to read the fast too`
`17:14.26`	`Cell`	`and write them fast`
`17:14.39`	`Patlabor221`	`but you don't want to store a full int?`
`17:14.44`	`Patlabor221`	`will there be gaps?`
`17:14.53`	`Cell`	`could be`
`17:15.18`	`Cell`	`each possible subset of the set is a possible candidate to get stored`
`17:15.46`	`Cell`	`depens on the user what numbers form 0 to 100k-1 he selects`
`17:16.01`	`Patlabor221`	`I dono`
`17:16.01`	`Cell`	`since each numebr is an id of a poly`
`17:16.21`	`Patlabor221`	`I would think you would have to store an int`
`17:16.24`	`Patlabor221`	`for the ID`
`17:16.33`	`Cell`	`too big`
`17:16.35`	`Patlabor221`	`but maybe use a map or hash table`
`17:17.10`	`Cell`	`i need to store 1000 different subsets with each of a possible length of 100k`
`17:17.24`	`Patlabor221`	`anything other then an int will make the max data smaller`
`17:17.34`	`Patlabor221`	`that is a lot of data`
`17:17.41`	`Cell`	`ah yes`
`17:18.29`	`Cell`	`you know i want to allow the user to interactivly select a mesh's faces, and make named selection sets`
`17:18.53`	`Cell`	`he can later scripts againts this selection sets`
`17:18.53`	`Patlabor221`	`then you are going to have a lot of data`
`17:18.59`	`Cell`	`and do lot of stuff`
`17:19.15`	`Patlabor221`	`so keep a list of selected faces in a map`
`17:19.15`	`Cell`	`like filters`
`17:19.44`	`Patlabor221`	`your doing ram intensive operations, there realy isn't a way around it.`
`17:19.47`	`Cell`	`yes but a selection can change at frame rates`
`17:20.06`	`Patlabor221`	`you only need to keep one`
`17:20.14`	`Cell`	`if the user drags the picking rectangle the selction changes interactivly`
`17:20.46`	`Patlabor221`	`ok, so keep a temp bit with each face.`
`17:20.51`	`Patlabor221`	`for it's current selection state`
`17:20.58`	`Cell`	`if he thinks his selectio is fine he can give it a name and save it`
`17:21.01`	`Patlabor221`	`when the drag is done, read them all, and save them in the list`
`17:21.14`	`Cell`	`thats what i do`
`17:21.20`	`Cell`	`oh you are right`
`17:21.24`	`Patlabor221`	`so what is wrong with that?`
`17:21.41`	`Cell`	`my err, false thoughts`
`17:22.27`	`Cell`	`its ok`
`17:22.32`	`Cell`	`ok that is solved`
`17:23.03`	`Cell`	`then the other problem is to pick only that faces under a picking rectangle that are visible?`
`17:23.22`	`Cell`	`visible + partially visible`
`17:23.32`	`Cell`	`but not to pick obscured`
`17:23.33`	`Cell`	`ones`
`17:23.50`	`Cell`	`how to do that?`
`17:24.19`	`Patlabor221`	`ray face intersections`
`17:24.30`	`Patlabor221`	`or use the feedback mode`
`17:25.07`	`Cell`	`but that would give me all faces that project into the picking rectangle`
`17:25.16`	`Cell`	`i want only those that are visible`
`17:25.22`	`Cell`	`not obscured by others`
`17:25.54`	`Patlabor221`	`you cast a ray from each vert of a face to the eye point`
`17:26.01`	`Patlabor221`	`no that won't work`
`17:26.05`	`Patlabor221`	`use feedback mode`
`17:26.10`	`Cell`	`he?`
`17:26.12`	`Patlabor221`	`give each face a name`
`17:26.21`	`Patlabor221`	`then render it in feedback mode`
`17:26.31`	`Cell`	`and?`
`17:26.32`	`Patlabor221`	`and see what fragments are drawn`
`17:26.36`	`Patlabor221`	`then just use those IDs`
`17:26.43`	`Patlabor221`	`and clip to your rect`
`17:26.46`	`Cell`	`ah`
`17:27.02`	`Cell`	`no err`
`17:27.09`	`Cell`	`that wont solve my prob`
`17:27.14`	`Patlabor221`	`huh?`
`17:27.17`	`Cell`	`because all are drawn`
`17:27.33`	`Cell`	`even those that are overdrawn which i dont want`
`17:27.33`	`Patlabor221`	`no it will only give you the ones that have final fragments`
`17:27.47`	`Patlabor221`	`you won't get the over drawn ones`
`17:27.55`	`Patlabor221`	`since it's frame buffer based`
`17:28.00`	`Cell`	`ah`
`17:28.16`	`Patlabor221`	`basicly you are seting the pixels to the face ID`
`17:28.21`	`Patlabor221`	`then scaning those`
`17:28.28`	`Cell`	`image`
`17:28.31`	`Cell`	`ah`
`17:28.40`	`Patlabor221`	`if a face is totaly hiden it won't end up in the frame buffer`
`17:28.42`	`Cell`	`that is slow as hell?`
`17:28.54`	`Cell`	`i need that 20 frames per sec`
`17:29.00`	`Patlabor221`	`if it's cliped to your rect it should not be anyslower then a render pass`
`17:29.15`	`Cell`	`but the renaming stuff`
`17:29.23`	`Patlabor221`	`it's just an int push`
`17:29.28`	`Patlabor221`	`instenad of a color set`
`17:29.30`	`Cell`	`ah draw each in a different color`
`17:29.42`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah it shoudl be the same`
`17:29.44`	`Patlabor221`	`as a color push`
`17:29.55`	`Patlabor221`	`then just a scan thru the returned buffer`
`17:29.58`	`Cell`	`but then i have to read the fragments back`
`17:30.04`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`17:30.09`	`Cell`	`that is slow`
`17:30.33`	`Cell`	`i would need opengl to render to an memeory buffer`
`17:30.47`	`Cell`	`not to vram`
`17:31.46`	`Cell`	`gdi`
`17:32.16`	`Cell`	`no i need the z buffer`
`17:33.14`	`Cell`	`maybe its fast enough`
`17:33.17`	`Cell`	`i try`
`17:33.49`	`Patlabor221`	`it's ether that or do lots of face intersections`
`17:34.14`	`Patlabor221`	`just look at feedback mode`
`17:34.33`	`Cell`	`hm, i thought that the connectivity( each face has pointers to its neighbours) could help me do that faster`
`17:34.56`	`Patlabor221`	`you still don't know what is drawn and what isn't`
`17:35.01`	`Patlabor221`	`with out doing the drawing`
`17:37.29`	`Cell`	`if i find the fird face that is visible in the picking rectangle i could recursivly walk through its neighbours and llok if the normal is facing away too much form the camera since obscured faces are reached by having the normal slide/rotate by at least 360 degs from my first poly`
`17:38.17`	`Cell`	`ups but its not easy to find the first visible poly`
`17:38.48`	`Patlabor221`	`no what if it's the same facing, but smaller and further back?`
`17:39.15`	`Patlabor221`	`feedback mode would give you the screen depth of each face`
`17:39.33`	`Cell`	`ah, k`
`17:39.37`	`Patlabor221`	`you method won't work on concave objects`
`17:39.56`	`Cell`	`it would, as long as the surface is a 2 manifold`
`17:40.10`	`Patlabor221`	`think of a S`
`17:40.19`	`Patlabor221`	`vewed from the TOp`
`17:40.24`	`Cell`	`k`
`17:40.30`	`Patlabor221`	`there are faces that go the same dir`
`17:40.43`	`Patlabor221`	`but can be acuuded by the top face`
`17:41.05`	`Patlabor221`	`or could not be acuded, if they are larger`
`17:41.18`	`Cell`	`~x en de acuded`
`17:41.27`	`Patlabor221`	`sorry occluded`
`17:41.31`	`Patlabor221`	`hiden`
`17:41.33`	`Patlabor221`	`can't type`
`17:41.34`	`Cell`	`ah`
`17:42.33`	`Cell`	`hm`
`17:42.37`	`Cell`	`donno`
`17:42.50`	`Patlabor221`	`how would you know that those faces are visible or not?`
`17:43.10`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a manafold body`
`17:43.13`	`Cell`	`i magine two mountains`
`17:43.19`	`Cell`	`one is before the other`
`17:43.25`	`Patlabor221`	`ok`
`17:43.56`	`Cell`	`the mountains are just bulges in a flat surface`
`17:44.12`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`17:44.48`	`Cell`	`i look at the front mountain and the back mountain would be visible to me if the front mountain would be transparent`
`17:45.01`	`Cell`	`so thats my llok at direction`
`17:45.03`	`Patlabor221`	`what if the back mountan is larger?`
`17:45.20`	`Cell`	`ok so let the back mountain be partiall y visible`
`17:45.31`	`Patlabor221`	`and what if it's way smaller?`
`17:45.50`	`Cell`	`ok so make a thisrd mountain that is smaller`
`17:45.59`	`Cell`	`so i pick a face`
`17:46.34`	`Cell`	`this face is visble to me (camera) and it is a front face of the first mountain`
`17:46.46`	`Cell`	`we just ignore all backfaces in the scene`
`17:46.51`	`Cell`	`for now`
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`17:47.02`	`Patlabor221`	`well no you pick a regon in camera space`
`17:47.04`	`[TeA\|TrEE]_`	`hello`
`17:47.04`	`Patlabor221`	`not a face`
`17:47.12`	`Patlabor221`	`hello`
`17:47.22`	`Cell`	`bu let us pick a face now plz`
`17:47.25`	`Patlabor221`	`ok`
`17:47.33`	`Cell`	`as next i pick a secont face`
`17:47.50`	`Cell`	`the second face is a front face on the hidden mountain`
`17:48.08`	`Patlabor221`	`how do you know it's hiden?`
`17:48.32`	`Cell`	`the second face is a front face on the hidden mountain would be transparent`
`17:48.35`	`Cell`	`lets assume`
`17:48.38`	`Cell`	`for now`
`17:48.45`	`Cell`	`that it is hidden`
`17:48.50`	`Cell`	`or not`
`17:49.02`	`Cell`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:49.07`	`Cell`	`ok?`
`17:49.27`	`Cell`	`so you have the first face and the secont face`
`17:50.09`	`Cell`	`now since the surface is a 2 manifold, there is a cannected face path that leads from face 1 to face 2`
`17:50.14`	`Cell`	`ok?`
`17:50.37`	`Patlabor221`	`ok`
`17:51.06`	`Cell`	`on this connected face path you llok at each face normal of each face in the path`
`17:52.08`	`Cell`	`the normal from face 1 has to rotate more than 270 degs to get the normal of face 2`
`17:52.22`	`Cell`	`following the path`
`17:52.52`	`Cell`	`thats it`
`17:54.45`	`Patlabor221`	`ok`
`17:54.54`	`Cell`	`really?`
`17:54.57`	`Patlabor221`	`so that still don't tell you if it's visible`
`17:55.16`	`Cell`	`hm, that right`
`17:55.21`	`Cell`	`thats right`
`17:55.24`	`Cell`	`:(`
`17:55.30`	`Patlabor221`	`becasue you are doing nothing of the size`
`17:55.43`	`Patlabor221`	`that woudl work on convex items`
`17:55.43`	`Patlabor221`	`only`
`17:56.10`	`Cell`	`ah, k`
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`18:00.32`	`Cell`	`http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/sep.ppt here u can find some pics of how the selection works`
`18:01.30`	`Cell`	`curently i have to make that with the feed back buffer`
`18:02.21`	`Patlabor221`	`don't have powerpoint`
`18:02.52`	`Cell`	`hm`
`18:02.58`	`Patlabor221`	`it's ether that or project your faces to the eye point`
`18:03.06`	`Patlabor221`	`and intersect`
`18:03.07`	`Cell`	`k`
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`18:06.36`	`Cell`	`here a re some local errors that i had to deal with, they all are found in STL files and need to be resolved to ensure 2 manifold: http://80.128.55.16/err.jpg`
`18:12.58`	`Patlabor221`	`why do you need manifold?`
`18:14.40`	`Cell`	`because i use the Quad edge data structure`
`18:14.50`	`Cell`	`and it needs 2 manifold`
`18:17.04`	`Patlabor221`	`you sould use a solid modeling kernel`
`18:17.12`	`Patlabor221`	`would give you all sorts of tools`
`18:17.16`	`Cell`	`i have implemented the quad edge data structure i c#, its the best structure for successive delete, create, collapse triangles or vertices`
`18:17.32`	`Cell`	`operations`
`18:19.39`	`Cell`	`but it is one of the trickiest structures to initialize, and the surface has to be a to manifold`
`18:19.53`	`Cell`	`or it will crash`
`18:19.56`	`Cell`	`:)`
`18:24.26`	`Cell`	`Patlabor221: did u use the MVC design pattern for bzflagedit?`
`18:25.36`	`Cell`	`it did not, but i try to change my code, cause i decided to use design patterns for almost everything`
`18:25.45`	`Patlabor221`	`the what?`
`18:26.02`	`Cell`	`Model- View - Controller`
`18:26.07`	`Patlabor221`	`MVC design patern?`
`18:26.12`	`Cell`	`yep`
`18:26.13`	`Patlabor221`	`you mean doc view?`
`18:26.21`	`Cell`	`kinda`
`18:26.42`	`Cell`	`+ Controllor fo the user actions`
`18:26.56`	`Patlabor221`	`I just did a doc view app, but the doc isn't realy needed, it just feeds calls to the CWorld class`
`18:27.05`	`Patlabor221`	`what is a controler?`
`18:27.09`	`Cell`	`Controller translates user actions into calls to the modell`
`18:27.28`	`Patlabor221`	`sure I made modeless dialgos for those thigns`
`18:27.29`	`Cell`	`a modell tells the vie it changed`
`18:27.43`	`Patlabor221`	`yes it works kinda like that`
`18:27.50`	`Cell`	`ah, k`
`18:28.06`	`Patlabor221`	`tho the world object also defines the interface for it's own editing`
`18:28.45`	`Cell`	`you also need a Strategty(Policy) design pattern`
`18:29.03`	`Cell`	`and a Composite pattern for the Hierarchie`
`18:29.15`	`Cell`	`they are pretty cute`
`18:29.26`	`Patlabor221`	`huh?`
`18:29.34`	`Patlabor221`	`I just made somethign that worked`
`18:29.49`	`Cell`	`ah`
`18:29.57`	`Patlabor221`	`and made sense`
`18:30.04`	`Patlabor221`	`it was made in a day`
`18:30.34`	`Cell`	`yes its prety neat, i dont doubt`
`18:30.58`	`Patlabor221`	`actualy it's a rather simple app`
`18:31.05`	`Patlabor221`	`not my best work`
`18:31.15`	`Cell`	`but to me design patterns give much more confidence doing things right and not to get stuck after many lines of code`
`18:31.32`	`Patlabor221`	`I usualy don't have a problem with that`
`18:31.49`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't have a problem with abstract mental concepts`
`18:31.52`	`Cell`	`yes, its a matter of experience too`
`18:32.57`	`Cell`	`there is also a pattern to do the redo undo stuff right`
`18:33.23`	`Cell`	`of an editor`
`18:34.07`	`Patlabor221`	`if you make each operation explicid in the doc API, then undos are easy`
`18:34.40`	`Cell`	`you have to make the inverse of each operation, or store the changes`
`18:35.26`	`Patlabor221`	`each operation should know how to undosielf`
`18:35.28`	`Patlabor221`	`easy`
`18:35.28`	`Cell`	`or protocoll the operations already applied`
`18:35.40`	`Cell`	`but that can get slow`
`18:35.47`	`Patlabor221`	`how do you know`
`18:35.50`	`Patlabor221`	`and it's an editor`
`18:36.09`	`Patlabor221`	`it's not suposed to be the fasted thing in the world`
`18:36.20`	`Patlabor221`	`but the undo should take the same time as it took to do.`
`18:36.32`	`Cell`	`ah yes`
`18:36.50`	`Patlabor221`	`it's all about usablility and expectation`
`18:36.56`	`Patlabor221`	`not theroretical performance`
`18:43.35`	`Cell`	`http://patterndigest.com/patterns/Strategy.html that is the most essential in an editor`
`18:44.39`	`Cell`	`to avoid lots of if-else statements and keep the code clean and structured`
`18:46.23`	`Cell`	`wow that is really cool`
`18:48.24`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't have lots of if else statements`
`18:48.24`	`Cell`	`http://patterndigest.com/patterns/Composite.html that one is need to build a hierarchy of objects and containers and treat both alike, good for a hierarchie of 3d objects(cones, meshes, lights, cams, grids)`
`18:48.42`	`Cell`	`because u have not lot of operations`
`18:49.03`	`Patlabor221`	`actualy I don't have ifs for the ones I have`
`18:49.07`	`Cell`	`that are done with the mouse`
`18:49.14`	`Cell`	`interactivly`
`18:49.22`	`Patlabor221`	`it's al done with callbacks and stuff`
`18:49.29`	`Patlabor221`	`and derived classes`
`18:49.40`	`Cell`	`ah thats the same as the pattern tells, but less oo`
`18:49.52`	`Patlabor221`	`it's rather clean`
`18:50.02`	`Patlabor221`	`I use objects all over the place`
`18:50.07`	`Cell`	`yeah, k`
`19:00.04`	`Cell`	`i ahve to buy that book http://search.barnesandnoble.com/bookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?sourceid=00394653955830272230&ISBN=0201633612&bfdate=03-31-2003+13:56:15`
`19:00.32`	`Cell`	`i read it already partially in the store, but the prize is tough`
`19:04.15`	`Patlabor221`	`I think we have that here`
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`19:11.06`	`Terminator_`	`hi`
`19:11.36`	`Terminator_`	`been a while since i've been here or played bzflag`
`19:11.39`	`Terminator_`	`hmm`
`19:13.09`	`Terminator_`	`ibot hello`
`19:13.09`		`what's up, terminator_`
`19:13.23`	`Terminator_`	`ibot sing`
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`19:13.31`	`Terminator_`	`ibot dance`
`19:13.32`		`ACTION does a disco dance.`
`19:13.37`	`Terminator_`	`ibot sing`
`19:13.38`		`ACTION sings off key`
`19:13.42`	`Terminator_`	`ibot drink`
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`19:13.48`	`Terminator_`	`ibot drink`
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`19:14.01`	`Terminator_`	`ibot sing`
`19:14.02`		`ACTION sings loudly`
`19:14.19`	`Terminator_`	`ibot sing`
`19:14.20`		`ACTION sings loudly`
`19:14.40`	`Terminator_`	`i dont care if sumone said it 4 seconds ago`
`19:14.50`	`Terminator_`	`ibot you are stupid`
`19:14.51`		`Terminator_: what are you talking about?`
`19:14.55`	`Terminator_`	`yup`
`19:15.00`	`Terminator_`	`i'm soooooooooooooo bored`
`19:15.02`	`Terminator_`	`bye`
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`19:19.00`	`Cell`	`gurgle`
`20:00.59`	`Cell`	`found : http://www.dofactory.com/Patterns/Patterns.aspx patterns in c# great`
`20:02.01`	`Cell`	`neat`
`20:09.38`	`Cell`	`i have to find a source watching tool that prooves if you are coincident wih the patterns you use`
`20:10.20`	`Cell`	`tomorrow`
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`21:08.01`	`heinola`	`hello all :)`
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`21:49.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Noobleman must be at school`
`21:49.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Noodleman*`
`21:49.07`	`Noodleman_work`	`mo`
`21:49.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh :)`
`21:49.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Why aren't you in school?`
`21:49.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Dropped out?`
`21:49.31`	`doughecka`	`he be home skooled`
`21:49.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`OH YEA!`
`21:49.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:)`
`21:49.41`	`doughecka`	`same as I`
`21:49.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I keep forgetting that`
`21:49.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I go to a public school`
`21:50.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Maybe I should oh been home-schooled...I might be smarter`
`21:50.12`	`Noodleman_work`	`i do home school in the morning then go to work in the afternoon`
`21:50.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`www.creeperz.com`
`21:50.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`21:50.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Darn`
`21:50.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Not all down yet`
`21:50.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm`
`21:54.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Noodle: Should I call GoDaddy.com's reps and ask them to manually remove my site so I can re-register it?`
`21:54.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Because it's not coming down...`
`21:55.17`	`Noodleman_work`	`sure`
`21:55.20`	`Noodleman_work`	`do that`
`21:55.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`21:55.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmmm`
`21:59.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cool! I found my CD player!`
`22:00.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm, now where are my headphones?!`
`22:00.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`MMMMM, e2 batteries`
`22:00.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Not dead`
`22:03.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:03.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`That's where I keep everything!`
`22:04.38`	`Noodleman_work`	`moo`
`22:06.22`	`Noodleman_work`	`foo`
`22:06.24`	`Noodleman_work`	`glue`
`22:06.26`	`Noodleman_work`	`chew`
`22:09.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`choo`
`22:09.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:)`
`22:09.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`flew`
`22:09.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`coo`
`22:09.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Icky doggy doo`
`22:10.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Lol`
`22:10.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:)`
`22:10.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Noodle`
`22:10.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I send you the game I just made`
`22:11.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Accept`
`22:13.16`	`Noodleman_work`	`what?! a DCC is working from behind a firewall!`
`22:13.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What?`
`22:13.33`	`captain_proton`	`Noodleman_work: dcc recieve should work fine`
`22:13.37`	`Noodleman_work`	`hmm`
`22:13.39`	`captain_proton`	`dcc send is what won't work if you're behind a firewall`
`22:13.39`	`Noodleman_work`	`weird`
`22:13.44`	`Noodleman_work`	`ah`
`22:13.50`	`captain_proton`	`when you recieve, you're the one initiating the connection (its odd)`
`22:14.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`That's the game's name`
`22:14.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Test it out :)`
`22:15.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`22:15.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It opens, then it says "You are too young to play this game" then it closes`
`22:15.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Pretty neat-o`
`22:15.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:)`
`22:16.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmmm`
`22:16.30`	`Noodleman_work`	`:-)`
`22:16.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:)`
`22:16.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'll show you something I made pretty cool`
`22:17.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It's a plain matrix, you walk across it`
`22:17.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...I'll show you once I get the gun thing put in`
`22:17.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Then you can shoot :)`
`22:20.31`	`Noodleman_work`	`mOoMMmOOMmoOMOomoOOOOmOO`
`22:41.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`BRB, someone wants to check their email and my crap comp just crashed so to speak`
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`22:54.38`	`BaDiN`	`ol�`
`23:03.54`	`Patlabor221`	`a matrix?`
`23:03.55`	`Patlabor221`	`like :`
`23:03.58`	`Patlabor221`	`100`
`23:03.59`	`Patlabor221`	`010`
`23:04.02`	`Patlabor221`	`001`
`23:04.03`	`Patlabor221`	`?`
`23:08.34`	`[dmp]`	`Anyone knows this? When I do select() on some sockets, do I need to rebuild the fd_sets each time?`
`23:08.59`	`captain_proton`	`[dmp]: shouldn't need to`
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`23:10.19`	`scanline`	`Patlabor221: you about? captain_proton tells me you may be able to get me a cheap PCI GF2MX card :)`
`23:10.38`	`[dmp]`	`I think so too. But my code accepts connections on that socket on the first select(). If it timesout and is recalled (with same params) it ignores me.. Odd. Guess I have made a booboo somewhere.`
`23:13.47`	`Patlabor221`	`I sorta am`
`23:13.58`	`Patlabor221`	`I can check, probably`
`23:14.08`	`Patlabor221`	`need a bit tho, in the midle of working`
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`23:15.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Uugh!`
`23:16.00`	`Noodleman_work`	`moo`
`23:16.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`This lady downloaded Yahoo! Messenger when she said that she was just going to check her email!`
`23:16.32`	`Noodleman_work`	`ha`
`23:16.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Second time she has done that`
`23:17.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm not letting anyone use my computer unless I am hovering over them`
`23:17.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`If I leave the room, they stop doing whatever they're doing until I return`
`23:17.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I have less than half of my hard drive open`
`23:18.33`	`Noodleman_work`	`ya-poop`
`23:18.37`	`Noodleman_work`	`:-)`
`23:20.34`	`Noodleman_work`	`she's about as useless as jpegs to Hellen Keller`
`23:20.40`	`Noodleman_work`	`:-)`
`23:20.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea :)`
`23:21.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Weird Al Inside`
`23:21.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`;-)`
`23:21.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You Windows boots up in what? A day and a half?`
`23:22.44`	`Patlabor221`	`scanline how much ram you lookin for on the card?`
`23:23.03`	`scanline`	`Patlabor221: I don't care. I really only intend to use it for 2D`
`23:23.29`	`Patlabor221`	`k`
`23:23.33`	`Patlabor221`	`asking the man`
`23:23.37`	`scanline`	`thanks`
`23:23.44`	`Patlabor221`	`sure`
`23:23.56`	`Patlabor221`	`was debuging with my lead, we just took a break`
`23:25.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I can't do hardly anything in the trial period!`
`23:25.23`	`Patlabor221`	`scan about $50`
`23:25.30`	`Noodleman_work`	`:-P`
`23:25.36`	`Patlabor221`	`let me see if I can find cheaper for you`
`23:25.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`=]`
`23:26.33`	`Noodleman_work`	`redhat 9 comes out on the 7th`
`23:26.52`	`Noodleman_work`	`although it comes out today for subscribers`
`23:26.58`	`Noodleman_work`	`of which i am one :-P`
`23:26.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ahh`
`23:27.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Noodle`
`23:27.11`	`Noodleman_work`	`creeperz`
`23:27.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Could YOU burn a copy of Red Hat 9.0 for me and mail it to me?`
`23:27.42`	`Noodleman_work`	`maybe`
`23:27.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`$0.50 a disc?`
`23:28.12`	`Noodleman_work`	`you wouldn't need to pay me`
`23:28.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`23:28.28`	`Noodleman_work`	`how would you get the money to me?`
`23:28.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Well out of the goodness of my heart, I might`
`23:28.30`	`Noodleman_work`	`:-)`
`23:28.37`	`Patlabor221`	`scanline http://store.yahoo.com/logicalplus/visgefmx32pc.html`
`23:28.45`	`Noodleman_work`	`i don't have paypal`
`23:28.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`NO!!! Not Yahoo!`
`23:28.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Mail it!`
`23:28.57`	`Noodleman_work`	`ya-poop`
`23:29.01`	`scanline`	`Patlabor221: not bad`
`23:29.10`	`Patlabor221`	`we can't beat that`
`23:29.14`	`Patlabor221`	`not on a single card`
`23:29.55`	`scanline`	`though that's AGP`
`23:30.27`	`scanline`	`cheapest pricewatch has on a PCI GF2MX is $37 including shipping`
`23:30.42`	`scanline`	`there was an AGP card for $25.. but I need PCI`
`23:33.42`	`Noodleman_work`	`you can get a gf4 mx440 pci for $80 in town`
`23:33.52`	`Noodleman_work`	`$60 on the web`
`23:33.52`	`doughecka`	`ugh`
`23:33.53`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`23:34.31`	`Patlabor221`	`does it have to be a GF2?`
`23:34.47`	`scanline`	`needs to be NVidia`
`23:34.55`	`scanline`	`and I hate TNT2s`
`23:35.02`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`23:35.08`	`Noodleman_work`	`gf4 is probably the only geforce you can get pci anymore`
`23:35.58`	`scanline`	`I said I found a GF2MX PCI for $37 on pricewatch`
`23:36.05`	`Noodleman_work`	`oh`
`23:36.06`	`Noodleman_work`	`:-)`
`23:36.27`	`scanline`	`but I don't have enough money for video cards at the moment`
`23:36.54`	`Noodleman_work`	`lucky`
`23:36.59`	`doughecka`	`a broken on`
`23:37.00`	`doughecka`	`e`
`23:37.04`	`Noodleman_work`	`:-P`
`23:37.21`	`captain_proton`	`what is the purpose of bying broken things?`
`23:38.13`	`scanline`	`doughecka: I'll sell ya a broken zaurus :P`
`23:38.25`	`doughecka`	`captain_proton: well... its "broken"`
`23:38.28`	`Patlabor221`	`I can send you cheap ass pci card`
`23:38.36`	`doughecka`	`someone flashed it wrong, and returned it`
`23:38.39`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`23:38.45`	`doughecka`	`so all I have to do is reflash it`
`23:38.48`	`Noodleman_work`	`i'll sell you a sound blaster 16 pci for $50`
`23:38.56`	`doughecka`	`eww`
`23:39.07`	`captain_proton`	`eww?`
`23:39.11`	`Noodleman_work`	`eww`
`23:39.11`	`scanline`	`Patlabor221: this is for a second monitor. I'm using a Mach64 for it now... it works, but the output's a bit blurry. If I replace it with a GF2 the signal will be much better and I can use nVidia's drivers on both`
`23:39.25`	`doughecka`	`for 50?`
`23:39.28`	`Noodleman_work`	`yup`
`23:39.30`	`doughecka`	`I would buy it for 10`
`23:39.31`	`Noodleman_work`	`good deal`
`23:39.31`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`23:39.35`	`Noodleman_work`	`:-)`
`23:41.03`	`doughecka`	`willconsult4food.com`
`23:42.38`	`*** join/#bzflag jraitala_ (cheesus@jraitala-dsl.oulu.fi)`
`23:43.28`	`Noodleman_work`	`moof`
`23:44.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How much is a PayPal account?`
`23:44.22`	`*** part/#bzflag scanline (micah@aden2-42-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU)`
`23:47.33`	`[dmp]`	`~time`
`23:47.34`		`rumour has it, time is up!`
`23:47.54`	`Noodleman_work`	`~moo [dmp]`
`23:48.00`		`ACTION moos at [dmp]`
`23:48.06`	`Noodleman_work`	`:-)`
`23:48.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Not cow!`
`23:49.06`	`[dmp]`	`What timezone is you guys in?`
`23:49.31`	`Noodleman_work`	`pacific`
`23:49.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Central`
`23:49.38`	`Noodleman_work`	`US, west coast`
`23:49.45`	`[dmp]`	`GMT+?`
`23:49.57`	`doughecka`	`EST`
`23:49.59`	`Noodleman_work`	`+8`
`23:50.02`	`Noodleman_work`	`i think`
`23:50.03`	`doughecka`	`-5`
`23:50.04`	`Noodleman_work`	`:-)`
`23:50.04`	`[dmp]`	`I'm european, i'm only used to CET :)`
`23:50.05`	`doughecka`	`for me`
`23:50.07`	`Noodleman_work`	`-8 then`
`23:50.11`	`Noodleman_work`	`L-P`
`23:50.11`	`Noodleman_work`	`:-P`
`23:50.11`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`23:50.13`	`doughecka`	`thats more like it`
`23:50.18`	`Noodleman_work`	`hehe`
`23:50.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`-6 I guess for me :/`
`23:50.23`	`doughecka`	`-25`
`23:50.29`	`Noodleman_work`	`hah`
`23:50.31`	`doughecka`	`though would put me..`
`23:50.47`	`doughecka`	`hmm, around pluto I think`
`23:52.09`	`[dmp]`	`is ibot from pluto too?`
`23:53.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I pray that my Red Hat 8.0 discs get here quickly and safely`
`23:53.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Woah`
`23:53.23`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`23:53.27`	`doughecka`	`redhat 9 is out btw`
`23:53.30`	`[dmp]`	`isnt 9 the latest?`
`23:53.37`	`doughecka`	`came out today`
`23:53.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Java is making my computer slower by the minute`
`23:53.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know it is`
`23:53.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know`
`23:54.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I think Noodleman was going to send me a copy of them`
`23:54.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmmm, brb`
`23:55.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Gotta tell my friend`
`23:55.49`	`Noodleman_work`	`beef`
`23:55.56`	`Noodleman_work`	`fake soy veggie beef`
`23:56.02`	`Noodleman_work`	`:-P''''''''''`
`23:56.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Wanna know my universal password to everything?`
`23:56.54`	`Noodleman_work`	`sure`
`23:56.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`*************`
`23:56.55`	`[dmp]`	`42`
`23:56.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:)`
`23:57.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`1812`
`23:57.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`?`
`23:57.14`	`doughecka`	`42!`
`23:57.18`	`doughecka`	`~42?`
`23:57.19`		`i heard 42 is the answer or the answer to life, the universe, and everything`
`23:57.44`	`[dmp]`	`creepers, you try, but you aint got a clue :-)`
`23:58.07`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh to much debugin make brain hurt`
`23:58.22`	`Noodleman_work`	`~creeperz`
`23:58.23`		`a little man who stalks in shadows and crawls on the ground...sorta like a tank.`
`23:58.36`	`Patlabor221`	`noodle your card move yet?`
`23:58.42`	`Noodleman_work`	`dunno`
`23:58.52`	`Noodleman_work`	`what's the tracking #?`

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