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| 04:34.23 | hardwire | yay |
| 04:34.32 | hardwire | problem child 1 and 2 are on TBS (21) |
| 04:34.35 | hardwire | I love that show |
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| 14:25.08 | _setuid | Anyone know timr's nick? |
| 14:25.44 | Jormungandr | TimRiker |
| 14:25.47 | Jormungandr | when he's on. |
| 14:26.08 | _setuid | ah |
| 14:26.12 | _setuid | intuitive enough |
| 14:26.22 | _setuid | Anyone hack on infobot code? |
| 14:26.55 | Jormungandr | I'm using blootbot, but don't really do anything with the code. |
| 14:27.11 | _setuid | Are you using the babelfish module? |
| 14:27.18 | Jormungandr | yes |
| 14:27.31 | _setuid | The new one? Or the stock one? |
| 14:27.48 | Jormungandr | the one that is in CVS as of about 30 days ago. |
| 14:28.12 | _setuid | which cvs? sf? lineo? or infobot.org? There are several forks. |
| 14:28.21 | Jormungandr | sf for blootbot |
| 14:28.59 | Jormungandr | there are several forks for bloot? |
| 14:29.35 | _setuid | sf knows nothing about it, freshmeat knows nothing about it, nor does google. |
| 14:29.43 | _setuid | What is it called? |
| 14:29.50 | Jormungandr | know nothing about what? blootbot? |
| 14:30.00 | _setuid | hrmm |
| 14:30.34 | _setuid | What is it based on? |
| 14:30.52 | Jormungandr | loosly on info bot IIRC |
| 14:30.58 | _setuid | Checking now.. |
| 14:31.09 | Jormungandr | it's definitely on sourceforge. |
| 14:31.09 | _setuid | Please tell me it's perl, and not some python or tcl shite |
| 14:31.20 | Jormungandr | it's perl |
| 14:31.27 | Jormungandr | it's pretty sweet. |
| 14:31.37 | _setuid | Does it do the same sorts of things? |
| 14:31.37 | Jormungandr | ibot on this channel and others is a blootbot |
| 14:31.38 | | okay, Jormungandr |
| 14:31.39 | _setuid | weather, etc.? |
| 14:31.44 | Jormungandr | yes |
| 14:32.03 | Jormungandr | the ibot here doesn't have weather enabled, but I have it enabled on my bot. |
| 14:32.09 | Jormungandr | works fine |
| 14:32.40 | Jormungandr | does lots of conversions, and is very bloated with stuff. :) (this the name) |
| 14:32.48 | Jormungandr | err thus the name |
| 14:33.48 | Jormungandr | does dictionary lookups, google, spelling, weather, etc. |
| 14:34.17 | Jormungandr | has a bunch of features to look things up in freshmeat and debian info stuff. |
| 14:34.22 | Jormungandr | which I don't use. |
| 14:39.42 | _setuid | Ok, the babelfish module there is also broken |
| 14:41.11 | _setuid | Dynamically loading LWP is a MAJOR slowdown, that should be preloaded, or qw(get) instead, for speed. |
| 14:41.26 | _setuid | bleh, I'll go back to infobot, it seems to do a bit more.. thanks anyway. |
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| 15:42.16 | rooter | hello |
| 15:42.38 | bzgirl | hello root |
| 15:42.47 | rooter | bzgirl! |
| 15:42.57 | rooter | ducati ctf is crowded |
| 15:42.59 | bzgirl | ~bzgirl |
| 15:43.00 | | i heard bzgirl is the coolest around |
| 15:43.08 | rooter | he he |
| 15:43.13 | bzgirl | yeah its very busy |
| 15:43.16 | rooter | that ibot is a smart one |
| 15:43.20 | bzgirl | :) |
| 15:43.33 | rooter | ~ducati6 |
| 15:44.57 | rooter | is the server list down? |
| 15:45.04 | bzgirl | rooter: hows that map coming along? |
| 15:45.21 | bzgirl | ~bzgirls |
| 15:45.40 | rooter | i haven't messed with it since i found out about the pyramid bug |
| 15:45.45 | bzgirl | ahh |
| 15:45.50 | rooter | i should though |
| 15:46.43 | rooter | i need to replace them with something else... some box structure |
| 15:47.43 | _setuid | which pyramid bug? |
| 15:48.18 | rooter | if a pyramid z > 0 then you can drive through it... |
| 15:48.30 | rooter | even if it is on a box |
| 15:52.55 | _setuid | I've seen lots of those intentionally implemented |
| 15:53.30 | Jormungandr | which is why when there was a "fix" made for it, it was removed soon after, because people were using it as a feature. |
| 16:11.58 | rooter | if you want to use it as a feature just make it 1 over the box |
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| 16:44.58 | Jormungandr | hi Patlabor221 |
| 16:47.03 | Patlabor2211 | supo |
| 16:47.18 | Jormungandr | work. not much else. |
| 16:47.32 | Patlabor2211 | tomorow the day of truth? |
| 16:47.36 | Jormungandr | yup |
| 16:47.40 | Jormungandr | we'll see what happens. |
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| 16:48.02 | Jormungandr | if they decide they wanna make me an "example", I'm not participating. if they just wanna talk, then I'll stay. |
| 16:48.04 | Patlabor2211 | any indication of what is going to hapen? |
| 16:48.10 | Jormungandr | not yet. |
| 16:49.05 | Patlabor2211 | I think legaly they have to let you pee when ever you have to pee |
| 16:49.11 | Jormungandr | the CTO of the company is really quirky and hot headed. |
| 16:49.14 | Jormungandr | yup |
| 16:50.40 | Jormungandr | this guy made me almost walk out in an employee meeting in disgust one day. |
| 16:50.43 | Patlabor2211 | there we go, all silly board questions answerd |
| 16:50.48 | Patlabor2211 | damn |
| 16:51.12 | Jormungandr | he was saying how one of the supervisors made him give all the sys admins a raise to $13/hr and how he really didn't want to do it. |
| 16:51.14 | Jormungandr | *spit* |
| 16:51.30 | Jormungandr | he was supposedly joking. |
| 16:51.31 | Patlabor2211 | at a meeting? |
| 16:51.33 | Jormungandr | it didn't sound like it. |
| 16:51.34 | Jormungandr | yes. |
| 16:51.43 | Patlabor2211 | damn, that is something you don't joke about |
| 16:51.46 | Jormungandr | nope |
| 16:51.57 | Jormungandr | especially in a room full of sys admins. |
| 16:52.04 | Patlabor2211 | yeah |
| 16:52.33 | Patlabor2211 | I have learned that it does well to not piss of real sytem admins |
| 16:53.02 | Jormungandr | this guy is a freak |
| 16:53.14 | Jormungandr | I never really liked him from when I first met him. |
| 16:54.21 | Patlabor2211 | we have a VP here that noone likes too |
| 16:54.23 | Jormungandr | the points are really stacking up against this company. |
| 16:54.35 | Patlabor2211 | used to be the dead of developement too |
| 16:54.45 | Patlabor2211 | but was moved to marketing cus he coudln't do the job |
| 16:54.47 | Jormungandr | tell me that I'll get full benefits for $1 a paycheck after being here for 6 mos. |
| 16:54.52 | Jormungandr | then reneg'd on it. |
| 16:55.02 | Jormungandr | no benefits at all. |
| 16:55.08 | Jormungandr | no paid time off, etc. |
| 16:55.22 | Patlabor2211 | sounds almost against the law |
| 16:55.25 | Jormungandr | fortunately, I have health insurance through my partner. |
| 16:55.42 | Jormungandr | az is a right to work state. I could probably push the benefits thing, though. |
| 16:55.52 | Jormungandr | if I wanted to go to labor board. |
| 16:56.08 | Jormungandr | since the guy that hired me left, they'll just claim that I was never told that. |
| 16:56.08 | Patlabor2211 | proallby would take to much time and money |
| 16:56.43 | Jormungandr | which is funny, because it's a HUGE deal for me, because I can't afford to pay for my annual cancer checkup surgery out of my own pocket. |
| 16:56.57 | Patlabor2211 | I can imagine |
| 16:57.07 | Jormungandr | it's about $4K. |
| 16:57.16 | Patlabor2211 | I can't see how they expect anyone to pay for most med builds |
| 16:57.23 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 16:57.35 | Jormungandr | this company has no concern for the employees. |
| 16:57.42 | Patlabor2211 | like when eventualy when I need a new kidney |
| 16:58.08 | Jormungandr | why would you need a new kidney? |
| 16:58.33 | Patlabor2211 | cus it is quite posible for these 2 to eventualy give out |
| 16:58.39 | Patlabor2211 | cysts and all |
| 16:58.47 | Jormungandr | ah. |
| 16:59.01 | Patlabor2211 | unless the abnormailty holds out then I'll be fine |
| 16:59.15 | Jormungandr | I almost completely lost my bladder. fortunately my urologist is a saint. |
| 16:59.34 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 16:59.43 | Patlabor2211 | ohh that would suck to lose that |
| 17:00.07 | Patlabor2211 | I have polycystic kideny desiase |
| 17:00.20 | Patlabor2211 | wich usualy lowers the eficancy of your kidneys |
| 17:00.23 | Jormungandr | yeah. the alternative was a permanent catheter. |
| 17:00.42 | Jormungandr | icky. |
| 17:00.45 | Patlabor2211 | but for some reason I have better kidney function then most people |
| 17:00.51 | Patlabor2211 | they don't know why |
| 17:00.52 | Patlabor2211 | but I do |
| 17:00.55 | Jormungandr | that is a little wierd. :) |
| 17:00.58 | Patlabor2211 | yeah |
| 17:01.02 | Patlabor2211 | I'm not complaining |
| 17:01.25 | Jormungandr | I've been fairly lucky. |
| 17:01.28 | Patlabor2211 | htey thing I rerouted arund the cysts |
| 17:01.38 | Patlabor2211 | wow that was a bad line |
| 17:01.49 | Patlabor2211 | They think I re-routed aournd the cycts |
| 17:01.57 | Patlabor2211 | but they just look at it in ultrasounds |
| 17:01.59 | Jormungandr | my biggest side effect is having to go to the bathroom on the average of about 5 times more than others normally would every day. |
| 17:02.20 | Patlabor2211 | well better then a tube |
| 17:02.24 | Jormungandr | yup |
| 17:02.27 | Jormungandr | much better. |
| 17:02.39 | Patlabor2211 | if my kidneys fail, I won;'t have to go |
| 17:02.43 | Patlabor2211 | and that will be wierd |
| 17:02.47 | Jormungandr | yup |
| 17:02.50 | Jormungandr | and bad for you :) |
| 17:02.54 | Patlabor2211 | yeah |
| 17:02.58 | Jormungandr | dialysis is no fun from what I hear. |
| 17:03.02 | Patlabor2211 | nope |
| 17:03.07 | Patlabor2211 | my mom did it for like 5 years |
| 17:03.12 | Jormungandr | wow. |
| 17:03.37 | Patlabor2211 | yeah having to take her and pick her up was no fun |
| 17:03.53 | Patlabor2211 | then the doctor there telling me I have the same thing as her |
| 17:03.58 | Jormungandr | :/ |
| 17:04.00 | Patlabor2211 | being genetic and all |
| 17:04.03 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 17:04.18 | Patlabor2211 | but he got a transplant and is perfeclty fine now |
| 17:04.26 | Patlabor2211 | sorry she not he :) |
| 17:04.46 | Jormungandr | oh, cool. |
| 17:05.02 | Patlabor2211 | yeah, and it's lasting very well |
| 17:05.07 | Jormungandr | I get better and better as the time passes. |
| 17:05.08 | Patlabor2211 | been 7 years with it now I think |
| 17:05.12 | Patlabor2211 | and it's going fine |
| 17:05.25 | Patlabor2211 | they even cut her way back on the regection meds |
| 17:05.34 | Jormungandr | excellent |
| 17:10.17 | Patlabor2211 | lost terminal? arn't those big things? how would one lose it. |
| 17:16.08 | Chestal | maybe it was virtual |
| 17:17.50 | Patlabor2211 | still then you would think it would be easyer to find :) |
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| 17:22.05 | Patlabor2211 | how goes it larsl |
| 17:22.41 | larsl | Too much school, too little BZFlag. |
| 17:22.58 | Patlabor2211 | ahhh |
| 17:23.20 | bzdougg | too much bzflag, too little school |
| 17:44.31 | Jormungandr | new starsky and hutch movie coming out this year. |
| 17:45.05 | Jormungandr | ben stiller, owen wilson as starsky/hutch and snoop dogg as huggy bear |
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| 17:47.14 | Patlabor2211 | seriously? |
| 17:48.19 | Chestal | this has great potential to suck |
| 17:48.29 | Patlabor2211 | yes |
| 17:49.22 | larsl | Blood, blood, blood. |
| 17:49.37 | Patlabor2211 | last non LOTR good movie I saw was the boorne Identity |
| 17:49.48 | Chestal | well, that one was 'ok', but not really good |
| 17:49.55 | Chestal | I've seen about 20 good movies since then |
| 17:50.33 | Patlabor2211 | nothing in the theaters that makes me want to run out and see these daya |
| 17:50.36 | larsl | Agh! Did Tim increase the number of GMs on xmission? |
| 17:51.10 | Patlabor2211 | dono |
| 17:51.53 | Patlabor2211 | hmm a nice '/" command would be to list the options used to start the server. |
| 17:52.15 | Jormungandr | yes, seriously. |
| 17:52.19 | Chestal | excluding the -passwd option :-) |
| 17:52.24 | Jormungandr | pretty silly. |
| 17:52.36 | Patlabor2211 | yes |
| 17:52.47 | Jormungandr | it started filming in february. |
| 17:52.53 | Patlabor2211 | finger even |
| 17:53.12 | Jormungandr | http://starskytorino.com/movie/movie.html |
| 17:53.14 | Jormungandr | :) |
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| 18:26.42 | Cell | lo from a pentium 4 2.53 GHz running winXP |
| 18:33.24 | Cell | can i get all the unix POSIX progs avaible for all unix OS for windows? |
| 18:37.13 | Patlabor2211 | cygwin |
| 18:37.19 | Cell | what linux os is the best? |
| 18:37.51 | Patlabor2211 | built from source ones |
| 18:37.58 | Patlabor2211 | then you get ecactly what you need |
| 18:39.24 | Jormungandr | cell, GenToo is getting very popular. it takes a lot of initial work, though. |
| 18:39.31 | Jormungandr | and people like Debian a lot. |
| 18:39.44 | Jormungandr | I am not fond of Debian, personally. |
| 18:39.45 | Cell | i need something that is robust and easy to setup |
| 18:39.50 | Patlabor2211 | redhat is easy to setup |
| 18:40.05 | Cell | and they are all compatible |
| 18:40.10 | Patlabor2211 | nope |
| 18:40.23 | Patlabor2211 | define compatable |
| 18:40.34 | Cell | progs i download run on each? |
| 18:40.50 | Cell | like gimp |
| 18:41.00 | Patlabor2211 | if you build them yes |
| 18:41.04 | larsl | Different ABIs, different libcs, different requirements... |
| 18:41.24 | Cell | ok i nevertheless need the shell mostly |
| 18:41.27 | Patlabor2211 | you can get the libs you need |
| 18:41.48 | Patlabor2211 | gedhat comes with a goodly number of apps |
| 18:42.12 | Cell | i had to run jav on it too, what about solaris? |
| 18:42.15 | Cell | java |
| 18:42.26 | Patlabor2211 | solaris is not linux |
| 18:42.40 | Cell | yes but a unix derivate? |
| 18:42.50 | Patlabor2211 | it's a unix |
| 18:43.03 | Patlabor2211 | runs on SUNs |
| 18:43.11 | Cell | i like that all devices are treated like files |
| 18:43.16 | larsl | There's a free version of Aolaris for IA32. |
| 18:43.18 | Patlabor2211 | don't think there is an X86 versiuon |
| 18:43.24 | larsl | s/A/S/ |
| 18:43.26 | Patlabor2211 | ahhh |
| 18:43.41 | Patlabor2211 | you can do Java on lin too |
| 18:43.48 | Cell | oh i know |
| 18:44.04 | Patlabor2211 | you coud run Be :) |
| 18:44.10 | Cell | ? |
| 18:44.15 | Patlabor2211 | BeOS |
| 18:44.18 | Cell | ah |
| 18:44.25 | Cell | that for graphic |
| 18:44.28 | Cell | apps |
| 18:44.35 | Patlabor2211 | it has a windowing system |
| 18:44.41 | Cell | ah |
| 18:44.56 | Patlabor2211 | what ever happend to NextSTEP? |
| 18:45.12 | Cell | i read the tanenbaum and unix seems to be so easy |
| 18:46.22 | Cell | its much more easy then windows but you have to have some shell experience |
| 18:46.40 | larsl | I've heard that MacOSX's API is a lot like NeXT. |
| 18:46.43 | Cell | only would be cool if c# would be available on unix |
| 18:46.44 | larsl | OpenSTEP-based. |
| 18:47.02 | larsl | Cell: Mono? |
| 18:47.44 | Cell | know it but not finished |
| 18:48.47 | Cell | why the hell does windows use drive letters for the harddisks |
| 18:49.07 | Cell | and not mount it to one files tree like unix |
| 18:49.29 | Cell | that is so cool about unix |
| 18:50.27 | Cell | and the 9 bits for file access are cool too,winnt has so many uncessary options about that |
| 18:51.25 | Cell | i also like that some process could be started with uid=0 |
| 18:51.40 | Patlabor2211 | then switch |
| 18:51.48 | Patlabor2211 | and use your nix version of c# |
| 18:52.04 | Cell | yes i would but sadly the best apps are missing |
| 18:52.22 | larsl | What apps do you need? |
| 18:52.26 | Cell | like vc++ |
| 18:52.31 | Patlabor2211 | anjunta |
| 18:52.34 | Cell | and 3d studio |
| 18:52.35 | Patlabor2211 | or Kdev |
| 18:52.35 | larsl | KDevelop. |
| 18:52.39 | Patlabor2211 | blender |
| 18:53.06 | Cell | ah have to look on that |
| 18:54.32 | Patlabor2211 | THere we go, first 5 Rahxephon's are done |
| 19:15.19 | Cell | ha? |
| 19:17.59 | Cell | Patlabor2211: you have tried cygwin? |
| 19:19.41 | Patlabor2211 | for some stuff yes |
| 19:19.52 | Patlabor2211 | but I don't do much shell stuff on windows |
| 19:19.58 | Patlabor2211 | I have real linux machines for that |
| 19:20.22 | Cell | ah |
| 19:21.11 | Jormungandr | <Patlabor2211> what ever happend to NextSTEP? |
| 19:21.22 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 19:21.31 | Patlabor2211 | I know apple bought it |
| 19:21.39 | Patlabor2211 | but I don't think OSX has any of it |
| 19:21.41 | Jormungandr | Apple bought NeXt and used the technology to make OS X. |
| 19:21.43 | Jormungandr | it does. |
| 19:21.51 | larsl | The GUI API (and other stuff). |
| 19:21.56 | Jormungandr | yes |
| 19:21.57 | Patlabor2211 | ahhh |
| 19:22.06 | Patlabor2211 | they also bought Be didnt' they? |
| 19:22.14 | Jormungandr | there are even remnant config stuff from old NeXt days. |
| 19:22.30 | Jormungandr | one that doesn't work, but is there anyways. :) |
| 19:22.42 | Jormungandr | having to do with running shell commands when the graphical interface starts. |
| 19:23.16 | Jormungandr | didn't know Apple bought Be |
| 19:23.23 | Jormungandr | not sure they did. |
| 19:23.40 | larsl | I though that Be just dies. |
| 19:23.43 | larsl | died. |
| 19:23.53 | Patlabor2211 | remember hearing about sometting, where they got them or maybe jsut some of there tech |
| 19:24.00 | Patlabor2211 | cus it was runnin on power PCs |
| 19:24.00 | Jormungandr | could be. |
| 19:24.39 | Jormungandr | yeah... I loaded OS X and started poking, and thought that I'd do some cool stuff, cuz I found some NeXt stuff that I knew about. |
| 19:24.48 | Jormungandr | then I found that it got broken when they ported. |
| 19:25.13 | Patlabor2211 | what was the hardware the old next machines ran on? |
| 19:25.16 | Jormungandr | I asked them why they bothered leaving it in. |
| 19:25.22 | Jormungandr | it was 680x0 |
| 19:25.43 | Patlabor2211 | back in the day when an Apple II GS was "the stuff" |
| 19:32.37 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 19:33.24 | Jormungandr | I asked them why stuff was still there when it didn't work, and they said that they couldn't remove it without breaking the system. got the impression that they were behind a serious learning curve. |
| 19:33.32 | Jormungandr | haven't looked at the newest stuff. |
| 19:33.42 | Patlabor2211 | soudns like us here |
| 19:33.57 | Patlabor2211 | " god no!!< don't move that, it won't work otherwise" |
| 19:34.37 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 19:34.57 | Jormungandr | it was SO cool to see the next stuff actually in there, though. gave me warm fuzzies. |
| 19:35.05 | Jormungandr | and some stuff is the same and works the same. |
| 19:48.03 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@toronto-hs-64-26-176-61.d-ip.magma.ca) |
| 19:49.41 | bzdougg | MOOF! |
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| 19:57.44 | larsl | bzgirl: Are you still running a server with my patch? |
| 19:57.57 | bzgirl | yes at the moment i am |
| 19:58.01 | Chestal | patch? |
| 19:58.13 | larsl | bzgirl: Any problems? |
| 19:58.27 | bzgirl | not really no, the patch seems to work |
| 19:58.38 | larsl | Chestal: It's an attempt to prevent cheating by resetting the flag on CTF. It's on SF. |
| 19:59.05 | larsl | Chestal: Tim wanted it tested on a real server before I commited it. |
| 19:59.26 | bzgirl | no one has tried to log out though but it worked whe you and i tried it :) |
| 19:59.32 | larsl | OK. =) |
| 20:00.00 | Chestal | ah, I read the dfiscussion on sf, I do not think, it's a big problem, though, at least not on ducati |
| 20:00.13 | Chestal | I've never seen a whoel team logout to reset the flag |
| 20:00.19 | larsl | No, not on ducati. There are almost never cheaters there. |
| 20:00.23 | Chestal | and then it's 1-1, flagging doesn't make much sense |
| 20:00.30 | Chestal | s/then/when/ |
| 20:00.33 | larsl | I like CTF one on one. =) |
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| 20:25.39 | bzdougg | bOO~boo |
| 20:25.42 | bzdougg | ~boo |
| 20:25.42 | | bzdougg, for heven's sake, don't do that! |
| 20:25.47 | bzdougg | hm |
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| 21:28.24 | prot-home | heven? |
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| 21:34.49 | sn0w_m0nkey | hi |
| 21:34.52 | sn0w_m0nkey | mornin |
| 21:35.02 | sn0w_m0nkey | can someone get rid of a cheater on turkey? |
| 21:41.42 | larsl | Is flag captures checked by the client or the server? |
| 21:42.04 | prot-home | client |
| 21:42.46 | larsl | The client does check that it's actually on the base and not below it, right? |
| 21:43.22 | larsl | There's a player on xmission who is capturing flags by driving in under his base. He claims 'that's the way this server works'. |
| 21:44.06 | prot-home | larsl: check to see what version he has - sounds like he's on e2 |
| 21:44.27 | prot-home | raised bases weren't added until e4, and old clients treat the base as if it were on the ground |
| 21:45.33 | larsl | fx3... |
| 21:45.46 | larsl | e2 offspring, right? |
| 21:45.55 | prot-home | yeeks |
| 21:46.02 | prot-home | thats an e0 offspring |
| 21:46.14 | Patlabor2211 | fx? |
| 21:46.15 | prot-home | the changes from that were rolled into e1 |
| 21:46.31 | prot-home | Patlabor2211: frank forked e0 and made fx3 |
| 21:46.37 | Patlabor2211 | oh |
| 21:46.42 | larsl | Why are some commands '/cmd' and some 'CMD'. |
| 21:46.45 | larsl | ? |
| 21:47.14 | prot-home | larsl: some BS notion of separation between 'client' and 'server' commands |
| 21:47.15 | Patlabor2211 | proalby cus they were made by difrent people |
| 21:47.57 | prot-home | larsl: tell that person that his client is about 5 years old and he needs to upgrade to g0 |
| 21:48.17 | larsl | I did. |
| 21:51.00 | larsl | Maybe the server should send a recommended client version when you connect, or a list of client features that are needed. |
| 21:51.43 | prot-home | would be nice - we had something a little similar in 1.8 where it would negociate which flags the client needed to know about |
| 21:52.04 | larsl | That sounds really cool - then flags could be implemented as plugins. |
| 21:52.11 | larsl | Or perl scripts, even. |
| 21:52.21 | prot-home | eek |
| 21:52.39 | prot-home | there was no plugin facility, just that we could change flags without "breaking" protocol |
| 21:52.53 | prot-home | s/change/add/ |
| 21:53.02 | prot-home | ok, i'm off to the surplus electronics store of doom |
| 21:53.19 | Patlabor2211 | good luck, vircotry or death |
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| 21:55.17 | Noodleman_ | anybody have any idea when g2 will be out other than "any second now" ? |
| 21:55.27 | larsl | Any week now. |
| 21:55.31 | Noodleman_ | are we waiting for tim to get moved? |
| 21:55.35 | ak|ra | hi |
| 21:55.40 | larsl | Probably. |
| 21:55.49 | Patlabor2211 | when teim gets back |
| 21:55.50 | Patlabor2211 | yeah |
| 21:55.59 | Patlabor2211 | he says a week or so last I heard |
| 21:56.41 | Noodleman_ | i'm wearing my o'really shirt at work :-) |
| 21:56.49 | Noodleman_ | my boss thinks it's pretty funny |
| 21:56.53 | Patlabor2211 | orealy! |
| 21:57.45 | ak|ra | o reilly |
| 21:58.45 | Noodleman_ | http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag/ |
| 21:58.52 | Noodleman_ | it *is* o'really |
| 21:58.58 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 21:59.03 | Jormungandr | newdullmahn |
| 21:59.31 | Jormungandr | half an hour left to work today. |
| 21:59.31 | Noodleman_ | you nick isn't funny when spelled phonetically :-P |
| 21:59.37 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 22:00.09 | Jormungandr | jor mung gander |
| 22:00.45 | Jormungandr | people think I spelled it wrong or abbreviate, but it's correct spelling. |
| 22:00.54 | Jormungandr | just like Nidhoggr |
| 22:01.10 | Jormungandr | although you can find a dozen alternate spellings, probably. |
| 22:01.25 | Jormungandr | and since they aren't truly english words, there really isn't a wrong spelling. |
| 22:03.37 | Noodleman_ | was is jormungandr? |
| 22:03.48 | Noodleman_ | i think it's from norse mythology, isn't it? |
| 22:04.06 | Jormungandr | yup |
| 22:04.14 | larsl | I don't recognise it... who was that? |
| 22:04.17 | Jormungandr | Jormungandr is the name of the Midgaard serpent. |
| 22:04.41 | Patlabor2211 | thor shall cut of it's head and end the world |
| 22:04.47 | Jormungandr | yup |
| 22:05.00 | Noodleman_ | http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ |
| 22:05.01 | Patlabor2211 | so begins Ragnarok |
| 22:05.06 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 22:05.07 | Noodleman_ | ^^ is that jormungandr? |
| 22:05.17 | Jormungandr | which? |
| 22:05.21 | Noodleman_ | the snake |
| 22:05.25 | Noodleman_ | on that url |
| 22:05.27 | larsl | I didn't know it had a name. |
| 22:05.46 | Patlabor2211 | I think that' is what they are trying to show yeah |
| 22:06.08 | Jormungandr | yeah, but I am sure Jormungandr isn't really so cute. |
| 22:06.09 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 22:06.15 | Noodleman_ | hehe |
| 22:06.22 | Patlabor2211 | since he is eating his own tail |
| 22:06.27 | Noodleman_ | i really need to learn some more about norse mythology |
| 22:06.43 | Noodleman_ | i know plenty of the greek mythology |
| 22:06.44 | larsl | Ah, it's the icelandish name. =) |
| 22:06.53 | larsl | No wonder I didn't know it. |
| 22:07.08 | Jormungandr | pat, the Ouroboros eats it's own tail. :) |
| 22:07.08 | Patlabor2211 | Jorm there is a prety good comic that is interesting, it's like a Japanese take on the entire norse mythology thing |
| 22:07.24 | Patlabor2211 | isn't that the same snake? |
| 22:07.41 | Patlabor2211 | represnts the endlness of time |
| 22:07.51 | Jormungandr | I did my phd disertation on dragon and serpent mythology in history as it relates to matriarchy/patriarchy issues. |
| 22:08.12 | Jormungandr | the ouroboros aspect of jormungandr is a modern interpretation. |
| 22:08.32 | Jormungandr | although, it's not a bad interpretation. |
| 22:09.16 | Jormungandr | I track dragon/serpent myths to be symbols of feminine principles. |
| 22:09.39 | Patlabor2211 | women breathe fire? |
| 22:09.44 | Jormungandr | heh. |
| 22:10.02 | Jormungandr | women had a lot of power in earlier societies. |
| 22:10.06 | Jormungandr | that waned over time. |
| 22:10.10 | Patlabor2211 | true |
| 22:10.21 | Patlabor2211 | due to there need in the babby creation process |
| 22:10.46 | Jormungandr | jorm for example... symbolises womankind. If Thor destroys the power of womankind, the world will end as humanity knows it. |
| 22:11.02 | Patlabor2211 | makes sense |
| 22:11.08 | Patlabor2211 | now why does he want to do this? |
| 22:11.10 | Jormungandr | Nidhoggr chews on the 3rd root of the world tree. root to heaven... |
| 22:11.17 | Jormungandr | he's a macho bastard :) |
| 22:11.21 | larsl | I thought the world would end because of the war between the gods and the giants. |
| 22:11.34 | Jormungandr | so women aren't allowed into heaven in early norse myth. |
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| 22:11.50 | Patlabor2211 | how rude of heaven |
| 22:12.00 | Patlabor2211 | how did they expect to have a good time. |
| 22:12.04 | Jormungandr | but the nidhogg chews the 3rd root and can certainly make heaven not as pleasant of a place. :) |
| 22:13.14 | Jormungandr | the european habit of marking maps with "here be dragons" was a symbol for crusaders to go and oust the last bastions of paganism/feminist thought in those areas. |
| 22:13.22 | Jormungandr | other people stayed away because of the warning. |
| 22:13.35 | Patlabor2211 | intersting |
| 22:13.54 | Jormungandr | the myth of tiamat and apsu is really interesting. |
| 22:14.21 | Jormungandr | tiamat was "the divine chaos", who was killed by marduk and her body was used to create the heavens and the earth. |
| 22:14.24 | Patlabor2211 | godess of all the dragons |
| 22:15.00 | Jormungandr | the historical thread of religion in that area had tiamat go from Creator to the Serpent of the old testament. |
| 22:15.16 | Patlabor2211 | who was "baulder" in norse mytology? |
| 22:15.18 | Jormungandr | from Creator to Adversary. |
| 22:15.26 | Jormungandr | doesn't sound familiar. |
| 22:15.28 | larsl | Patlabor2211: The good guy. |
| 22:15.31 | Jormungandr | heh. |
| 22:15.36 | Patlabor2211 | hmm may habr spelled it wrong |
| 22:15.36 | Jormungandr | is that spelled right? |
| 22:15.40 | Patlabor2211 | have to look it up |
| 22:15.40 | Jormungandr | ah. |
| 22:15.41 | larsl | Balder. |
| 22:15.45 | Jormungandr | that's it. |
| 22:15.52 | Patlabor2211 | yes |
| 22:15.59 | larsl | He was killed by Loki, but will be resurrected after Ragnarok. |
| 22:16.05 | Jormungandr | I'm not as much a norse myth expert as a dragon mythology expert. |
| 22:16.12 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 22:16.17 | Patlabor2211 | hmm interesting |
| 22:16.26 | Patlabor2211 | was he just a guy? or a god type person? |
| 22:16.31 | larsl | A god. |
| 22:16.32 | Jormungandr | I just like norse serpents, because they actually named them. :) |
| 22:16.56 | Patlabor2211 | was there aonther god "fenris" ? |
| 22:16.59 | Jormungandr | the rest of europe didn't name dragons much. they were known by the place they dwelled. |
| 22:17.02 | Patlabor2211 | having to do with wolves? |
| 22:17.06 | Jormungandr | fenris was a wolf. |
| 22:17.09 | larsl | Patlabor2211: That was a wolf. |
| 22:17.11 | Patlabor2211 | k |
| 22:17.14 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 22:17.24 | Patlabor2211 | trying to mathc it all up with the story I'm reading |
| 22:17.54 | Jormungandr | how are you injuring your fingers? |
| 22:18.14 | Patlabor2211 | the normal way, sharp pointy objects |
| 22:18.36 | Patlabor2211 | not exaclty more like knives an scisors |
| 22:18.40 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 22:18.47 | Jormungandr | just don't run with them. |
| 22:18.50 | Patlabor2211 | and that odd need to help people do stuff |
| 22:18.51 | Jormungandr | that would be bad ;) |
| 22:18.52 | Patlabor2211 | never do |
| 22:19.21 | Patlabor2211 | this time I was cuing open the lid of a container to pepercorns |
| 22:19.26 | Patlabor2211 | for my friends wife |
| 22:19.33 | Jormungandr | cutting even |
| 22:19.34 | Patlabor2211 | with a steak knife |
| 22:19.37 | Jormungandr | ack! |
| 22:19.41 | Patlabor2211 | yes |
| 22:19.49 | Jormungandr | naughty you! |
| 22:19.58 | Patlabor2211 | just a little cut, but it's on the finger tip |
| 22:20.04 | Jormungandr | those are the worst |
| 22:20.13 | Patlabor2211 | so it takes a number of bandaids to stay there |
| 22:20.31 | Patlabor2211 | it will be healed enough by morning |
| 22:21.12 | Jormungandr | my hands and arms heal slowly. |
| 22:22.23 | Jormungandr | they heal better when I have time to take care of myself. |
| 22:22.28 | Jormungandr | it's been a stressful few months. |
| 22:37.54 | Noodleman_ | do these guy's look like they are a competent isp? |
| 22:38.02 | Noodleman_ | http://www.personalcomputer.net/ |
| 22:38.21 | Noodleman_ | i'm going to have to call them in a bit :-( |
| 22:38.49 | Patlabor2211 | is that not an ugly site or what |
| 22:39.04 | Noodleman_ | that is a beautiful site |
| 22:39.13 | Noodleman_ | :-P`````` |
| 22:39.23 | Patlabor2211 | don't make me shoot you :) |
| 22:39.35 | Noodleman_ | it's hosted on nt 4 too |
| 22:39.55 | Patlabor2211 | ohh my |
| 22:40.00 | Patlabor2211 | almost as bad as this |
| 22:40.01 | Patlabor2211 | http://www.nameofthegame.biz/ |
| 22:40.20 | Patlabor2211 | and this guy says this is his "new" site, it's much better then his old one. |
| 22:41.38 | TimRiker | ~spell chaous |
| 22:41.40 | | possible spellings for chaous: chaos Chao's Chou's Chas chairs chars chows ciaos chaise choirs chamois Chase chase chis choosy chose chair's chaps chorus |
| 22:41.48 | TimRiker | ah. no you |
| 22:41.50 | Patlabor2211 | that's gotta be not much fun |
| 22:42.06 | TimRiker | heh.. xchat changed u=>you |
| 22:42.25 | TimRiker | it's not that bad, just every time I set something down it gets packed. |
| 22:44.16 | Patlabor2211 | "where did my drink go" |
| 22:47.16 | Patlabor2211 | once when I moved I just put everything into trash bags |
| 22:47.22 | Patlabor2211 | tho it was a short move |
| 23:12.22 | larsl | There's a flag standing in the air on xmission. |
| 23:12.29 | larsl | I've never seen that bug before. |
| 23:12.42 | bzdougg | cool |
| 23:12.48 | bzdougg | xmission has the best bugs |
| 23:12.56 | Patlabor2211 | it's a feature |
| 23:13.01 | bzdougg | yup |
| 23:13.09 | Patlabor2211 | it's called the "dangaling carrot " feature |
| 23:13.09 | bzdougg | number 25645232 |
| 23:13.27 | larsl | Oh. |
| 23:13.50 | Patlabor2211 | all the cheaters are suposed to jump and try and get it |
| 23:14.00 | Patlabor2211 | like a moth to the flame |
| 23:14.01 | bzdougg | ah, is that it? |
| 23:14.14 | bzdougg | the people who get the flag are auto banned |
| 23:14.16 | Patlabor2211 | yeah tell them it's the Godzilla flag |
| 23:14.21 | larsl | It's gone now. |
| 23:14.54 | larsl | It was about as high above ground as they are when attached to a tank, |
| 23:15.02 | bzdougg | huh |
| 23:15.06 | bzdougg | sounds neat |
| 23:15.11 | Patlabor2211 | anti grav flags |
| 23:15.15 | bzdougg | woo |
| 23:15.31 | larsl | UT? |
| 23:15.38 | bzdougg | unreal tornement |
| 23:15.45 | bzdougg | they have the best flags :) |
| 23:15.45 | larsl | What would they do? |
| 23:15.51 | bzdougg | hmm, look neat |
| 23:15.55 | Patlabor2211 | http://asgard.bakadigital.com/Screamers/imgs/Flag.png |
| 23:16.01 | Patlabor2211 | those |
| 23:16.09 | Patlabor2211 | they flap in the wind |
| 23:16.38 | Patlabor2211 | I'll see about geting a package together for a lin build so everyone can see them in there might and glory. |
| 23:17.00 | Patlabor2211 | http://asgard.bakadigital.com/Screamers/imgs/GroundObject.png |
| 23:17.07 | bzdougg | ~convert 1000000 yen to dollars |
| 23:17.08 | Patlabor2211 | also another good shot of them |
| 23:17.20 | bzdougg | hoo |
| 23:17.37 | Patlabor2211 | doug you see the newest shot? |
| 23:17.38 | larsl | They could read the wind direction and strength at the server location. =) |
| 23:18.16 | Patlabor2211 | I could rotate them to the wind vector and adjust the FPS of the flap to go with the the speed |
| 23:18.21 | bzdougg | ~convert 5500000 yen to dollars |
| 23:18.26 | bzdougg | Patlabor2211: cool |
| 23:18.30 | Patlabor2211 | http://asgard.bakadigital.com/Screamers/imgs/Teams.png |
| 23:18.35 | Patlabor2211 | did team colors too |
| 23:18.58 | bzdougg | pretty |
| 23:18.59 | bzdougg | :) |
| 23:19.11 | Patlabor2211 | tho yellow looks a bit to dirty |
| 23:19.14 | Patlabor2211 | decals on what? |
| 23:19.22 | bzdougg | you shoot the tank... a little mark apears |
| 23:19.31 | Patlabor2211 | ohh |
| 23:19.32 | Patlabor2211 | it's posible |
| 23:19.34 | Patlabor2211 | but it's harder |
| 23:19.35 | bzdougg | ah |
| 23:19.38 | bzdougg | ok |
| 23:19.44 | Patlabor2211 | bit more calulations |
| 23:19.54 | Patlabor2211 | and would take a couple render passes |
| 23:20.05 | Patlabor2211 | you will see a shield flash |
| 23:20.23 | bzdougg | hmm, that can go in the SE version :) |
| 23:20.23 | Patlabor2211 | at the point of impact |
| 23:20.29 | bzdougg | Patlabor2211: ooh |
| 23:20.31 | Patlabor2211 | se? |
| 23:20.38 | bzdougg | second edition |
| 23:20.43 | bzdougg | :) |
| 23:20.44 | Patlabor2211 | version 2 you mean? |
| 23:21.00 | bzdougg | then TE, FE :) |
| 23:21.07 | Patlabor2211 | ? |
| 23:21.21 | bzdougg | third and forth |
| 23:21.22 | Patlabor2211 | I am not going to MS name it |
| 23:21.59 | Patlabor2211 | hit marks won't make much sense in BZ since it's a one hit wonder kinda game |
| 23:22.06 | bzdougg | :) |
| 23:22.09 | bzdougg | yea |
| 23:22.45 | bzdougg | but it would be neat to have a shield that would flicker when shot or something |
| 23:22.57 | Patlabor2211 | that I am going to do |
| 23:22.57 | bzdougg | disable the shields and marks appear |
| 23:23.00 | bzdougg | :) |
| 23:23.11 | bzdougg | marks cover whole tank... BOOM |
| 23:23.19 | Patlabor2211 | that would be silly |
| 23:23.27 | bzdougg | hmm, yea |
| 23:24.01 | Patlabor2211 | the shield hit will probably look like a section of a socker ball but be transperant |
| 23:24.10 | bzdougg | hrm, neat |
| 23:24.12 | bzdougg | like the wall? |
| 23:24.21 | Patlabor2211 | the wall was hexes |
| 23:24.22 | Patlabor2211 | and flat |
| 23:24.28 | bzdougg | oh |
| 23:24.30 | Patlabor2211 | this will be spherical |
| 23:24.34 | bzdougg | cool |
| 23:24.50 | Patlabor2211 | well liike a teseletaed spherical section |
| 23:25.08 | bzdougg | hmm, soccer ball is better |
| 23:25.20 | Patlabor2211 | that's what I mean |
| 23:25.33 | Patlabor2211 | a socker ball is a type of teselated sphere |
| 23:25.39 | bzdougg | yea |
| 23:25.45 | Patlabor2211 | I just won't be doing the entire sphere |
| 23:25.48 | Patlabor2211 | just a section |
| 23:25.49 | bzdougg | but nobody knows what a teselated sphere is |
| 23:25.55 | Patlabor2211 | since it will be on the point of impact |
| 23:25.57 | bzdougg | cool |
| 23:26.01 | bzdougg | like a section? |
| 23:26.12 | Patlabor2211 | oh like when I say rectiliniar paralellapipid? |
| 23:26.18 | Patlabor2211 | noone knows what that is. |
| 23:26.30 | bzdougg | will the tank have sheilds, and when the shields go down, the hull gets damaged? |
| 23:26.34 | bzdougg | hehe |
| 23:26.40 | Patlabor2211 | dono |
| 23:26.53 | bzdougg | or is it like subspace, and there is just energy? |
| 23:27.00 | Patlabor2211 | dono |
| 23:27.03 | bzdougg | and energy = 0 ur dead |
| 23:27.06 | bzdougg | :) |
| 23:27.07 | Patlabor2211 | more interested in tech furst |
| 23:27.12 | bzdougg | yea |
| 23:27.22 | Patlabor2211 | see what can be applied to multiple projects |
| 23:27.56 | bzdougg | huh |
| 23:28.12 | Patlabor2211 | i.e. what can be used in bz |
| 23:28.30 | Patlabor2211 | tho techincaly it would be simple to make this play like BZ |
| 23:28.46 | bzdougg | the shield and flag system? |
| 23:28.46 | bzdougg | :) |
| 23:28.52 | Patlabor2211 | since the renderer, game, and UI classes are all sorta like plugins. |
| 23:28.59 | bzdougg | ah |
| 23:29.05 | Patlabor2211 | you could make it play EXACTLY like BZ |
| 23:29.09 | Patlabor2211 | even look like it |
| 23:29.11 | Patlabor2211 | if you wanted |
| 23:29.21 | bzdougg | and WORK with bzflag? :) |
| 23:29.27 | Patlabor2211 | just using all the new services. |
| 23:29.57 | Patlabor2211 | it you made it use the bzflag net engine yes |
| 23:29.57 | bzgirl | captain_proton: is there a current bzedit for linux i can try? |
| 23:30.04 | Patlabor2211 | you don't have to use my net lib |
| 23:30.08 | bzdougg | ah |
| 23:30.19 | Patlabor2211 | my net lib will not work with bz |
| 23:30.36 | Patlabor2211 | since it takes care of some of the transport stuff, and things like client IDs |
| 23:30.42 | bzdougg | ah |
| 23:36.17 | *** join/#bzflag sussi (~sussi@217.68.182.105) |
| 23:36.25 | sussi | hi |
| 23:36.35 | bzdougg | ih |
| 23:37.50 | bzgirl | hi |
| 23:51.17 | Noodleman_ | somebody call 1-541-389-1299 |
| 23:51.54 | bzdougg | :) |
