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| 00:20.29 | freelancer | anyone see illf8d |
| 00:20.42 | Noodleman | ~seen illf8d |
| 00:20.48 | | illf8d <~neener@user-0c8gji2.cable.mindspring.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 5h 57m 28s ago, saying: 'night all'. |
| 00:20.53 | freelancer | yes tankenstein |
| 00:21.09 | freelancer | thanks |
| 00:21.14 | Noodleman | yup |
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| 00:30.11 | bzgirl | ~xmission |
| 00:42.19 | Noodleman | http://www.e-beggar.com/ |
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| 00:46.49 | Ruudi | hi |
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| 00:51.50 | bzgirl | dmp you awake still? |
| 00:51.53 | [dmp] | yes |
| 00:51.55 | bzgirl | hi Ruudi |
| 00:52.02 | bzgirl | you use debian? |
| 00:52.18 | [dmp] | me? yes |
| 00:52.24 | bzgirl | yeah you :) |
| 00:52.42 | bzgirl | have you tried to build 1.7g1 ? |
| 00:52.53 | [dmp] | yes |
| 00:52.59 | bzgirl | it built ok? |
| 00:53.04 | [dmp] | yes |
| 00:53.08 | bzgirl | hmm |
| 00:53.27 | [dmp] | but i had to install a library first.. can't remember which packages it was |
| 00:53.28 | bzgirl | it built on my laptop (sid) but not on my desktop also sid |
| 00:53.33 | bzgirl | ahh |
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| 00:53.38 | bzgirl | please remember :) |
| 00:54.58 | [dmp] | do you have: xlibmesa3 ? |
| 00:55.11 | bzgirl | fatboy:/home/brat# apt-get install glutg3 glutg3-dev gtkglarea5 gtkglarea5-dev gimp |
| 00:55.18 | bzgirl | i installed all that |
| 00:55.21 | bzgirl | oh.. |
| 00:55.22 | [dmp] | and xlibs |
| 00:55.24 | heinola | :) |
| 00:55.28 | bzgirl | will look |
| 00:56.04 | bzgirl | yes i have that |
| 00:57.05 | bzgirl | maybe i can make a list of instale stuff on both and compare it, i dunno |
| 00:57.56 | [dmp] | well, you can try, but i would guess you would use alot of time installing stuff you dont need :) |
| 00:58.10 | bzgirl | yeah :( |
| 00:58.13 | [dmp] | what is broken? |
| 00:58.45 | bzgirl | i dont know, trying to get the error message.. |
| 00:59.53 | [dmp] | what about: xlibmesa-dev, xlibmesa-gl-dev, xlibmesa-glu-dev (dunno if they are installed with xlibmesa) |
| 01:00.15 | [dmp] | xlibs-dev, xlibmesa3-gl, xlibmesa3-glu ? |
| 01:00.43 | [dmp] | I thinkn it was a mesa-related library. |
| 01:00.53 | [dmp] | argh |
| 01:01.06 | [dmp] | i've got a notes/bzflag.txt :) |
| 01:01.22 | bzgirl | i have all of those |
| 01:01.26 | [dmp] | i installed: xlibmesa3(-dev) and libvorbis-dev |
| 01:01.42 | bzgirl | ahh |
| 01:02.06 | bzgirl | i remeber the libvorbis i had to install on the laptop i think |
| 01:02.10 | bzgirl | will try that |
| 01:02.26 | [dmp] | Hey, I actually wrote something usefull in my notes directory :) |
| 01:02.48 | bzgirl | but the errors i recall didnt mention vorbis |
| 01:03.04 | [dmp] | You dont have the error somewhere? |
| 01:03.14 | bzgirl | im compiling now :) |
| 01:03.17 | [dmp] | heh |
| 01:03.36 | bzgirl | /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a(glthread.o)(.text+0xa7): In function `_glthread_SetTSD': |
| 01:03.37 | bzgirl | : undefined reference to `pthread_setspecific' |
| 01:03.37 | bzgirl | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 01:03.37 | bzgirl | make[3]: *** [../../bin/bzflag] Error 1 |
| 01:04.16 | bzgirl | lots of those "undefined reference lines |
| 01:06.29 | [dmp] | i didnt write my error message, when i tried. :( |
| 01:07.28 | [dmp] | but well, i only have kde (and whatever it includes) for gui and then i'd install xlibmesa3, xlibmesa3-dev and libvorbis-dev |
| 01:07.40 | [dmp] | only else stated in that file is the cvs command to get the source |
| 01:07.51 | bzgirl | i have kde,gnome fluxbox |
| 01:08.09 | bzgirl | weird. |
| 01:08.12 | bzgirl | oh well |
| 01:08.20 | bzgirl | all im after is the big radar :) |
| 01:08.25 | [dmp] | do you have xlibmesa3-dev (sorry for asking again :)) |
| 01:08.34 | [dmp] | yeah its cool :) |
| 01:08.42 | [dmp] | i can compile it for you, if you want. |
| 01:08.44 | [dmp] | or try to |
| 01:08.52 | [dmp] | if you dare :) |
| 01:09.13 | bzgirl | fatboy:/home/brat/bzflag# dpkg -l | grep xlib |
| 01:09.13 | bzgirl | ii xlibmesa-gl-de 4.2.1-6 Mesa 3D graphics library development files [ |
| 01:09.13 | bzgirl | ii xlibmesa-glu-d 4.2.1-6 Mesa OpenGL utility library development file |
| 01:09.13 | bzgirl | ii xlibmesa3 4.2.1-6 XFree86 Mesa libraries pseudopackage |
| 01:09.13 | bzgirl | ii xlibmesa3-gl 4.2.1-6 Mesa 3D graphics library [XFree86] |
| 01:09.14 | bzgirl | ii xlibmesa3-glu 4.2.1-6 Mesa OpenGL utility library [XFree86] |
| 01:09.17 | bzgirl | ii xlibs 4.2.1-6 X Window System client libraries |
| 01:09.18 | bzgirl | ii xlibs-dev 4.2.1-6 X Window System client library developmen |
| 01:09.36 | [dmp] | It seems to be missing? |
| 01:10.05 | bzgirl | ixlibmesa3-dev isnt available it says |
| 01:10.12 | bzgirl | no such package |
| 01:10.51 | [dmp] | oh |
| 01:10.52 | [dmp] | oopsa |
| 01:10.53 | [dmp] | .) |
| 01:34.00 | greg1 | bye |
| 01:39.26 | bzdoug_ | "Like any talented dog, it can do flips. Like any talented cow, it can do precision bitmap alignment." |
| 01:43.49 | bzdoug_ | "Brought to you by: "Al"toids - the curiously weird mint." |
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| 03:03.20 | luca_ | hello |
| 03:03.22 | luca_ | what is the last version? |
| 03:03.42 | bzdoug_ | g0 I think |
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| 05:54.12 | Noodleman | captain_proton: how are you and scanline coming along with that evil 99-bottles submission? |
| 05:55.04 | captain_proton | scanline came up with a really really evil method of printing, which he's using in another submission |
| 05:55.16 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 05:55.21 | scanline | Noodleman: I have 1.5 submissions so far, but I'd like to spend some more time evilifying them |
| 05:55.38 | Noodleman | i´ve got about 3 doze submissions now |
| 05:55.42 | scanline | the first one I'm fairly happy with, but could be better.. I started one in perl, but put it down when it started making my brain hurt |
| 05:55.43 | Noodleman | dozen* |
| 05:56.10 | Noodleman | my brain is wired for perl |
| 05:56.23 | Noodleman | i have trouble coding in anything else but php :-) |
| 05:56.26 | scanline | oh, this perl would probably make anyone's head hurt |
| 05:56.32 | scanline | it's self-modifying |
| 05:56.41 | captain_proton | and self-readifying |
| 05:56.41 | scanline | doesn't even look like it should compile |
| 05:56.48 | Noodleman | what do you mean by that? |
| 05:57.03 | Noodleman | self-modifying |
| 05:57.09 | scanline | Noodleman: imagine a string that eval's itself recursively, modifying itself a little each time |
| 05:57.11 | Noodleman | is that like a quine? |
| 05:57.17 | Noodleman | ok |
| 05:57.32 | Noodleman | thatś evil :-) |
| 05:57.48 | captain_proton | almost as evil as the stuff he was doing in C =) |
| 05:57.54 | scanline | hmm. can I send you my first one, then send a replacement later if I improve it? |
| 05:58.13 | Noodleman | sure, proton did that with his first submission |
| 05:58.22 | scanline | ok |
| 05:58.25 | scanline | DCC okay? :) |
| 05:58.39 | scanline | I have my name and email address in the comments |
| 05:58.48 | Noodleman | i´m behind a fiewall |
| 05:58.59 | Noodleman | dcc won´t worl |
| 05:59.02 | Noodleman | *k |
| 05:59.05 | scanline | ok, guess I'll have to actually look up your email address :) |
| 05:59.16 | scanline | btw, you seem to have smart quotes or something turned on, sending non-ASCII-stuff |
| 05:59.27 | captain_proton | Noodleman: dcc recieve should work fine - when he sends, you're the one connecting to him |
| 05:59.56 | scanline | oh yeah- |
| 05:59.58 | Noodleman | scanline: itś this weird thing with the gnome 2.2 on gentoo, i think |
| 06:00.07 | scanline | my first entry produces the beerlyrics.txt file exactly to the byte |
| 06:00.23 | scanline | but the second entry actually outputs something different that happens to look just like beerlyrics.txt when viewed on a terminal |
| 06:00.24 | scanline | is that ok? |
| 06:00.37 | Noodleman | scanline: i´d probably rather you email it, then i have all the submissions automatically in one place |
| 06:00.44 | Noodleman | scanline: thatś fine |
| 06:00.51 | scanline | yay |
| 06:02.06 | scanline | Noodleman: sent |
| 06:02.11 | scanline | can you make sure it runs properly on your machine? |
| 06:02.23 | Noodleman | sure |
| 06:03.29 | Noodleman | brb |
| 06:07.48 | Noodleman | scanline: it works :-) |
| 06:07.54 | scanline | spiffy |
| 06:07.58 | scanline | figured out how yet? :) |
| 06:08.04 | Noodleman | nope |
| 06:08.10 | Noodleman | itś quite obfuscated |
| 06:08.22 | Noodleman | besides, i don´t know C |
| 06:08.37 | scanline | so how do you plan on judging how obfuscated an entry is? |
| 06:08.57 | Noodleman | bycomparing it to the other entries |
| 06:09.05 | Noodleman | when i get them all it |
| 06:09.11 | Noodleman | after the deadline |
| 06:09.28 | scanline | but still, you have to be able to understand an entry to appreciate it's obfuscation fully :) |
| 06:09.39 | Noodleman | heh |
| 06:10.24 | scanline | Noodleman; I'd advise stepping through it with something like gdb or SoftICE :) |
| 06:10.38 | Noodleman | scanline: ok |
| 06:10.48 | scanline | it's hard with gdb though |
| 06:10.57 | scanline | my code confuses gdb, so that the breakpoints don't usually work correctly |
| 06:11.06 | scanline | dunno if they have SoftICE for linux |
| 06:11.11 | Noodleman | is softice free? |
| 06:11.14 | Noodleman | ah |
| 06:11.58 | scanline | you can use gdb.. just remember stepi and disassemble are your friends :) |
| 06:12.05 | Noodleman | :-) |
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| 08:57.34 | bomber | moin |
| 08:58.02 | [dmp] | hi |
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| 09:02.07 | ak|ra | moin |
| 09:05.03 | [dmp] | howdy |
| 09:05.20 | ak|ra | captain_proton or scanline .. there? |
| 09:05.34 | scanline | nope |
| 09:05.42 | ak|ra | :) |
| 09:06.00 | ak|ra | "error" in your nuppelwriter code |
| 09:10.58 | ak|ra | scanline: watch at this movie and guess whats wrong .. http://141.44.198.27/~gumz/tie.avi |
| 09:11.39 | scanline | I've never seen it do that |
| 09:11.58 | scanline | combined with the fact that the RTJpeg code was crashing for you, I'd guess it's an error in your application |
| 09:12.12 | scanline | RTJpeg has never crashed for me, it just compresses badly |
| 09:13.04 | ak|ra | nope |
| 09:13.10 | ak|ra | no error in my app :) |
| 09:13.23 | scanline | so what's the problem? |
| 09:13.32 | ak|ra | solution: you use your *frameBuffer as the output buffer for the lzo-compression |
| 09:13.40 | scanline | yes |
| 09:13.46 | ak|ra | you can "see" this -> the "noise" |
| 09:13.58 | ak|ra | the noise that comes when the app stands still |
| 09:14.38 | ak|ra | ok, but its not clever to grab the screen while nothing changed isnt it? |
| 09:14.39 | scanline | that's nice... |
| 09:15.04 | scanline | in jetstream, I can't think of a single instance where the screen doesn't change, so we didn't bother optimizing for that |
| 09:15.17 | ak|ra | i grab only in my draw routine and do a simple writeFrame all 1/25 seconds |
| 09:15.27 | scanline | uh huh |
| 09:15.31 | scanline | I don't really care :) |
| 09:15.40 | scanline | submit a patch if you want, otherwise I'll fix it when/if it's a problem for me |
| 09:15.48 | ak|ra | as you can see in http://141.44.198.27/~gumz/dolphins.avi |
| 09:16.49 | ak|ra | i will write a mail to the author .. i d like to see lgpled version .. i freed your nuppelwriter code from sdl stuff so its almost standalone |
| 09:17.10 | ak|ra | thinking about using some speedroutins (fast_memcpy) from the mplayer src |
| 09:19.52 | ak|ra | scanline: i put the code in the mainloop of bzflag .. was not so fast :) |
| 09:20.29 | scanline | well, you might have noticed jetstream has extra code to regulate the frame rate and rescale the image before compressing |
| 09:20.52 | ak|ra | i do |
| 09:21.31 | ak|ra | what is your highest resolution you made a video from? |
| 09:21.50 | scanline | I think the highest I've tried was 1024x769 |
| 09:21.52 | scanline | err, 768 |
| 09:22.07 | scanline | don't remember whether I tried 1600x1200 or not |
| 09:22.30 | ak|ra | btw: the nice 8x8 block thing went to nice results if one DONT use factors of 8 :) |
| 09:22.53 | scanline | you mean with RTJpeg? |
| 09:23.01 | ak|ra | without |
| 09:23.09 | scanline | 8x8 block thing? |
| 09:23.09 | ak|ra | the rtjpeg crashed |
| 09:23.34 | ak|ra | if you disable rtjpeg and grab a random screensize |
| 09:23.53 | scanline | never had any problems like that |
| 09:23.57 | ak|ra | you have to worry about width and height -> nuppelvideo works on 8x8 blocks |
| 09:24.10 | ak|ra | i will see if i find an old demo |
| 09:24.23 | scanline | but like I said, I don't really care :) |
| 09:24.28 | ak|ra | ;) |
| 09:26.22 | ak|ra | cya |
| 11:02.33 | [dmp] | wooho. RAM have arrived at the postoffice. Not I need to wait 8-9 hours to let them bring it a few kilometers :-(.. And no, I cant get it myself until they try to deliver it. They cant handle that.. :\ |
| 11:02.43 | [dmp] | s/not/now/ |
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| 14:54.59 | Jormungandr | ~bzflist |
| 14:55.24 | mmu_man | $fix bzflag-BeOS |
| 14:55.29 | mmu_man | erf |
| 14:55.48 | mmu_man | ~fix bzflag-BeOS |
| 14:56.52 | Jormungandr | hrm. logs say cell was cheating on my server. |
| 14:59.02 | bzdoug_ | oh? |
| 14:59.17 | bzdoug_ | ~whowas cell |
| 14:59.25 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 14:59.27 | Jormungandr | yeah... I'll try to compile a log excerpt |
| 15:00.13 | Jormungandr | right now I am going through the logs and looking for specific banning needs. |
| 15:00.27 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 15:01.49 | Jormungandr | I am wondering of spoogebob might be using proxies. |
| 15:01.58 | bzdoug_ | impossible |
| 15:01.59 | bzdoug_ | :) |
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| 15:03.54 | Jormungandr | why you say that? |
| 15:04.44 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 15:04.48 | bzdoug_ | lots of ports |
| 15:06.16 | Jormungandr | it only assigns one udp port per person. |
| 15:06.27 | bzdoug_ | hmm, yea, but it changes |
| 15:06.36 | Jormungandr | each time you join |
| 15:06.42 | Jormungandr | not contintually during the game. |
| 15:07.02 | Jormungandr | continually even |
| 15:07.06 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 15:07.30 | bzdoug_ | but still... I dont know how I would get SSH to forward them if I dont know the ports ahead of time |
| 15:07.33 | bzdoug_ | right? |
| 15:08.00 | Jormungandr | a proxy can be set to forward any port. |
| 15:08.03 | Jormungandr | tcp or udp |
| 15:08.12 | Jormungandr | even multiple ports. |
| 15:08.16 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 15:08.20 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 15:08.49 | bzdoug_ | how would I get bzflag to USE the proxy though? |
| 15:09.08 | bzdoug_ | point it to the proxy, then tell the proxy to connect to a particular server? |
| 15:09.49 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 15:09.57 | Jormungandr | not sure of specifics, though. |
| 15:09.58 | bzdoug_ | huh |
| 15:10.14 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 15:10.17 | bzdoug_ | SOCKS* |
| 15:10.54 | Jormungandr | cell is still really annoying, despite having cleaned up his act in here a bit. |
| 15:11.06 | bzdoug_ | how so? |
| 15:11.17 | Jormungandr | he is only nice in here because he has to be. |
| 15:11.26 | Chestal | aren't we all? ;-) |
| 15:11.31 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 15:11.40 | Jormungandr | his behavior on my server, and apparently using a modified client are really annoying. |
| 15:11.43 | bzgirl | :) |
| 15:11.53 | bzdoug_ | I have his modifyed client |
| 15:12.24 | bzdoug_ | no source, but I have a EXE someplace |
| 15:13.16 | Jormungandr | Player EsaPro [3]: he is an admitted cheater |
| 15:13.17 | Jormungandr | Player Deathguise [0]: lol |
| 15:13.17 | Jormungandr | Player Deathguise [0]: true |
| 15:13.17 | Jormungandr | Player Deathguise [0]: tim does let me prance about |
| 15:13.22 | Jormungandr | deathguise is cell |
| 15:13.39 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 15:13.47 | bzdoug_ | check his IP? |
| 15:14.02 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 15:15.37 | Jormungandr | hrm. this guy was on from uunet dialup. |
| 15:16.13 | bzdoug_ | uunet? |
| 15:16.25 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 15:16.31 | bzdoug_ | UU! |
| 15:16.36 | Jormungandr | that's not typical cell territory |
| 15:16.58 | bzdoug_ | hm |
| 15:16.58 | Jormungandr | pleasantville nj |
| 15:17.06 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 15:17.14 | Jormungandr | looks like a ban in the making. |
| 15:19.49 | Jormungandr | restarted secretplace. |
| 15:20.01 | bzdoug_ | what map? |
| 15:20.07 | Jormungandr | it was starting to have flags that show up on the ground but not radar. |
| 15:20.10 | Jormungandr | same spirals. |
| 15:20.18 | Jormungandr | I need to find a better map for dragon.org. |
| 15:20.24 | Jormungandr | dave's new map is not popular. |
| 15:20.34 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 15:20.35 | Jormungandr | running a zero server on dragon.org now. |
| 15:20.45 | Jormungandr | so 2 servers there. |
| 15:20.52 | Jormungandr | one on 5155 and one on 5555 |
| 15:20.54 | bzdoug_ | ooh |
| 15:21.29 | Jormungandr | zero server is limited to 12 players and 2 shots. |
| 15:21.38 | Jormungandr | for bandwidth reasons. |
| 15:21.46 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 15:21.49 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 15:22.00 | bzdoug_ | there is... hmm, 2 total players of zero currently |
| 15:22.04 | Jormungandr | hopefully the breaking of protocol will include a multicasting of data. |
| 15:22.10 | bzdoug_ | hehe |
| 15:22.23 | Jormungandr | so the server always uses about the same bandwidth. |
| 15:22.41 | bzdoug_ | that would be nice |
| 15:22.46 | Jormungandr | then I will run more servers if that happens. |
| 15:22.55 | Jormungandr | because I can predict bandwidth usage better. |
| 15:23.00 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 15:23.05 | Jormungandr | and it'd be cleaner. |
| 15:24.08 | Jormungandr | I suppose I should work on getting bzflag to compile on my mac. |
| 15:24.20 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 15:25.12 | Jormungandr | I tried, but the mac people aren't very articulate with their support. |
| 15:25.22 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 15:27.37 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 15:27.43 | bzdoug_ | what ports does bzflag use? |
| 15:27.56 | bzdoug_ | like lets say I wanted to connect to your server |
| 15:28.05 | bzdoug_ | what ports do I need enabled? |
| 15:29.59 | bzdoug_ | ~secret |
| 15:30.08 | bzdoug_ | ~secretplace |
| 15:30.16 | bzdoug_ | ~bzflist |
| 15:32.12 | Jormungandr | 5155 |
| 15:32.16 | Jormungandr | and 5156 |
| 15:32.17 | Jormungandr | but |
| 15:32.23 | Jormungandr | it'll also assign another port |
| 15:32.26 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 15:32.29 | bzdoug_ | what would that be? |
| 15:32.31 | bzdoug_ | what range? |
| 15:32.34 | Jormungandr | so the proxy needs to know about it. |
| 15:32.35 | Jormungandr | not sure. |
| 15:32.44 | bzdoug_ | hm |
| 15:33.10 | Jormungandr | well, that's how it has to be with multiplayer games. |
| 15:33.16 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 15:33.40 | bzdoug_ | hm |
| 15:33.57 | Jormungandr | well, maybe not HAS to be. |
| 15:34.01 | bzdoug_ | I have 5155-5159 forwarded now.. |
| 15:36.07 | Jormungandr | I really want admin bot. |
| 15:36.21 | Jormungandr | I wish I could code something besides shell scripts. |
| 15:36.36 | bzdoug_ | bleh, noodleman seems to have disabled his no-ip thing or something |
| 15:36.40 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 15:37.05 | bzdoug_ | ~nslookup 216.228.187.207 |
| 15:37.17 | bzdoug_ | ah, the joys of IP |
| 15:37.29 | Jormungandr | I do get people on secretplace using windows proxy. |
| 15:37.38 | bzdoug_ | oh? |
| 15:37.44 | Jormungandr | because it spits out errors to console when people use it. |
| 15:37.58 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 15:38.35 | bzdoug_ | watch the logs, cuz here I come! |
| 15:39.25 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 15:39.32 | bzdoug_ | anything show up? |
| 15:39.59 | Jormungandr | nope |
| 15:40.08 | bzdoug_ | bleh |
| 15:41.33 | Jormungandr | it should be illegal for companies to make a 20 oz bottle of soda say that it's 2.5 servings. |
| 15:41.40 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 15:42.39 | Chestal | how much is 20 oz? |
| 15:42.40 | Jormungandr | they know darned well noone is going to drink 1/2.5th of it. |
| 15:42.48 | Jormungandr | 8 oz is 1 cup. |
| 15:42.56 | Jormungandr | 1.25 pints |
| 15:42.59 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 15:43.00 | Jormungandr | 592 ml |
| 15:43.01 | Chestal | ~convert 20 oz to litre |
| 15:43.10 | Chestal | ~convert 20 oz to ml |
| 15:43.15 | Chestal | hmm |
| 15:43.16 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 15:43.23 | Jormungandr | 591 actually. |
| 15:43.26 | Chestal | ~convert 20 oz to liter |
| 15:43.39 | bzdoug_ | ~convert 20 oz to L |
| 15:43.39 | Jormungandr | ~convert 20 ounces to liters |
| 15:43.50 | Jormungandr | that's silly. |
| 15:43.56 | Chestal | ~convert 20 oz to cubic meters |
| 15:44.04 | Jormungandr | ~convert 1.25 pints to liters |
| 15:44.31 | Chestal | hmm, is ounce a mass unit? |
| 15:44.38 | Chestal | ~convert 20 oz to kg |
| 15:44.46 | luca_ | bleah |
| 15:44.51 | Jormungandr | oh! |
| 15:44.53 | Jormungandr | try.... |
| 15:45.04 | Jormungandr | ~convert 20 fluid ounces to liters |
| 15:45.09 | luca_ | shit and stupid american units |
| 15:45.10 | Jormungandr | hrm. |
| 15:45.19 | Chestal | ~convert apples to bananas |
| 15:45.21 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 15:46.03 | luca_ | they always make things complex |
| 15:46.14 | Chestal | yep, one day they will follow the one true path |
| 15:46.21 | Jormungandr | ounces are weight, but we are stupid and calculate ounces as the equivalent of 1 oz of water (by weight) into volume. |
| 15:46.22 | Chestal | might take >100 years, though |
| 15:46.33 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 15:47.45 | Jormungandr | so 20 fl oz is the volume equivalent of 20 ounces of water (even when you aren't using water) |
| 15:47.50 | Jormungandr | stuuuuuupid |
| 15:49.22 | Chestal | we have one, it's used, though, but you can buy it if you want |
| 15:49.29 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 15:49.33 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 15:49.35 | bzdoug_ | shipping? |
| 15:50.18 | Chestal | I'll put it into a .tar.bz2, will fit into a small envelope then |
| 15:50.24 | bzdoug_ | ok doke |
| 15:53.08 | Jormungandr | hrm. I wonder if the weather module works in blootbot. |
| 15:53.14 | Jormungandr | and how you'd enable it. |
| 15:54.56 | luca_ | bzdoug_: there an international metric system |
| 15:55.06 | luca_ | but americans still don't know about it |
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| 16:10.14 | bzgirl | anyone have bzflag icons? |
| 16:14.19 | mmu_man | good question :) |
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| 16:54.12 | Jormungandr | heya |
| 16:54.23 | Patlabor2211 | sup |
| 16:54.47 | Jormungandr | work. :) |
| 16:55.10 | Jormungandr | been at work for almost 5 hours already. |
| 16:55.48 | Patlabor2211 | wow |
| 16:55.52 | Patlabor2211 | I just got in |
| 16:55.55 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 16:56.08 | Jormungandr | I go home at 3:30 (it's about 10 now, here) |
| 16:56.18 | Patlabor2211 | ouch |
| 16:56.32 | Jormungandr | it's just before the bad rush hour starts. |
| 16:56.36 | Jormungandr | so that is nice. |
| 16:56.48 | Jormungandr | it's still a little crowded on the road, but not as bad as half an hour later. |
| 16:57.13 | Patlabor2211 | ahhh |
| 16:57.19 | Patlabor2211 | how far do you have to go? |
| 16:57.23 | Jormungandr | phoenix rush hour is terrible. |
| 16:57.32 | Jormungandr | about 8 miles. |
| 16:57.39 | Jormungandr | about half of it is freeway. |
| 16:58.06 | Jormungandr | the streets are not bad at all.. the freeway is what gets busy. |
| 16:58.26 | Patlabor2211 | that's what happens here |
| 16:58.35 | Patlabor2211 | tho I don't have to touch freeway to get home |
| 16:58.39 | Patlabor2211 | realy just one road |
| 16:58.43 | Patlabor2211 | for about 500 feet |
| 16:59.03 | Jormungandr | I could take the streets all the way, but not through the best neighborhoods. |
| 16:59.22 | Jormungandr | the freeway takes about 10-15 minutes off my drive. |
| 16:59.43 | Jormungandr | just because this is a heavy hispanic area, and they tend to drive the speed limit or slightly under. |
| 17:00.04 | Jormungandr | which I don't mind, unless I want to get home after a long day. :) |
| 17:00.13 | Patlabor2211 | about 0.75 inches aboce the ground? |
| 17:00.23 | Jormungandr | heh some of them. |
| 17:00.36 | Patlabor2211 | we have that here too |
| 17:00.54 | Jormungandr | that's not so bad here, because our neighborhoods have speedbumps in the streets. |
| 17:02.04 | Patlabor2211 | ok I serioulsy have to figure out how to get a CVS server set up |
| 17:02.20 | Jormungandr | hrm. |
| 17:02.25 | Jormungandr | what OS? |
| 17:02.29 | Jormungandr | redhat? |
| 17:02.42 | Patlabor2211 | ya |
| 17:05.12 | Jormungandr | http://www.idealx.org/prj/idx-chrooted-ssh-cvs/dist/ |
| 17:05.43 | Jormungandr | brb |
| 17:05.46 | Patlabor2211 | quen es? |
| 17:11.17 | Jormungandr | is a cvs server that uses ssh and chroots the processes. |
| 17:11.29 | Patlabor2211 | ok that is way too much info for my brain today |
| 17:11.45 | Patlabor2211 | I know all of those are words |
| 17:11.49 | Patlabor2211 | english words even |
| 17:12.01 | Patlabor2211 | and I think I even know what each word means |
| 17:12.12 | Patlabor2211 | but put them all together.......... no clue |
| 17:12.42 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 17:12.46 | Patlabor2211 | ygg today is not turning out to be a good St. pattys day |
| 17:12.46 | Noodleman | Patlabor2211´s brain has been r00ted |
| 17:12.57 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 17:13.01 | Jormungandr | hi noodleman. |
| 17:13.14 | Jormungandr | pat, let me find a linux howto for you. |
| 17:13.25 | Patlabor2211 | something is wrong today |
| 17:13.38 | Patlabor2211 | more likey the fact that I forgot to eat again yesterday |
| 17:20.31 | Jormungandr | thread here is helpful... http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/info-cvs/2003-01/msg00288.html |
| 17:20.53 | Jormungandr | specifically regarding rh 8 |
| 17:22.36 | Jormungandr | the second reply is most helpful. |
| 17:32.01 | Jormungandr | how flexible is phpbb? |
| 17:32.26 | Jormungandr | some of my Order members want me to install a bulletin board on the Order website. |
| 17:33.48 | Patlabor2211 | flexible for what? |
| 17:34.04 | Jormungandr | can you hide forums for a specific group of people? |
| 17:34.16 | Jormungandr | so only those with certain permissions can even see them? |
| 17:34.19 | Patlabor2211 | yes |
| 17:34.22 | Jormungandr | cool. |
| 17:34.23 | Patlabor2211 | yes |
| 17:34.29 | Patlabor2211 | we do that on bzbb |
| 17:34.34 | Patlabor2211 | the cop forums |
| 17:34.38 | Patlabor2211 | there are 2 of them :) |
| 17:34.42 | Jormungandr | okay... excellent. |
| 17:34.47 | Patlabor2211 | noone but the cops ever see them |
| 17:35.16 | Jormungandr | hopefully I can find a decent theme or make one that matches the site. |
| 17:35.29 | Patlabor2211 | it's not that hard to tweak them |
| 17:35.32 | Jormungandr | I'll have to break out my Painter program again. :) |
| 17:35.44 | Patlabor2211 | I've been tweakign this one |
| 17:35.44 | Patlabor2211 | http://fellomen.bakadigital.com/bb/ |
| 17:40.43 | Jormungandr | looks nice. |
| 17:42.13 | Jormungandr | I always have to laugh at the name Gimmel. The word "gimel" in hebrew means "camel". |
| 17:42.22 | Jormungandr | it's also a letter of the hebrew alphabet |
| 17:42.33 | Patlabor2211 | ha |
| 17:42.42 | Patlabor2211 | he's a dorf |
| 17:43.04 | Patlabor2211 | He wanted "Gimley" but it was of course taken |
| 17:43.08 | Jormungandr | dwarf even ;) |
| 17:44.10 | Patlabor2211 | dorf on golf |
| 17:45.19 | Patlabor2211 | hmm perhaps I should not have done the marathon "watching all the .hack// eps" yesteday |
| 17:46.02 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 17:46.09 | Jormungandr | are you out of whack now? |
| 17:47.15 | Jormungandr | I had an extra long meditation session on saturday, and I was out of it until yesterday evening. that doesn't happen too often when I meditate. funny that it's food that usually kicks me out of it. |
| 17:47.45 | Patlabor2211 | I fogot to eat yesterday too |
| 17:47.59 | Patlabor2211 | and did a decent amount of phisical labor |
| 17:48.16 | Patlabor2211 | think body is just saying, "well screw you buddy" |
| 17:48.21 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 17:48.23 | Jormungandr | eat something. |
| 17:48.30 | Patlabor2211 | ohh I did |
| 17:48.32 | Patlabor2211 | first thing this AM |
| 17:48.39 | Jormungandr | with this new flu going around that kills people, you need to stay "unstressed". |
| 17:49.03 | Jormungandr | especially if you are around people that travel a lot. |
| 17:51.17 | Patlabor2211 | I think it was the dust that got me |
| 17:51.24 | Patlabor2211 | had to totaly clean off the portch |
| 17:51.30 | Patlabor2211 | cus tehy will be painting |
| 17:51.34 | Patlabor2211 | lots of sweeping |
| 17:51.40 | Patlabor2211 | lots of cat sand |
| 17:52.04 | Jormungandr | that'll do it. |
| 17:52.18 | Jormungandr | get a lot of fluids to flush out the bad stuff. |
| 17:52.34 | Patlabor2211 | 3 leeters of gatorade |
| 17:53.05 | Patlabor2211 | if nothing else one of my genetic tallents is definaly to process fluids |
| 17:53.25 | Jormungandr | heh |
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| 18:24.50 | Cell | lo, Patlabor2211: whats the 3d format screamers loads? |
| 18:25.09 | Patlabor2211 | for what? |
| 18:25.11 | Patlabor2211 | models? |
| 18:25.27 | Patlabor2211 | it can read OBJ/U3d/MD3/or A3d |
| 18:25.30 | Cell | yeah |
| 18:25.32 | Cell | ah |
| 18:25.35 | Patlabor2211 | current model is obj |
| 18:25.38 | Cell | k |
| 18:25.53 | Patlabor2211 | why? |
| 18:26.43 | Cell | i could load a bzflag world as obj |
| 18:26.58 | Patlabor2211 | nope |
| 18:27.04 | Patlabor2211 | the map format is not OBJ |
| 18:27.15 | Patlabor2211 | OBJ is just used for moving objects |
| 18:27.24 | Cell | and for buildings? |
| 18:27.45 | Patlabor2211 | currently the only map objects in there are bz type parametrics |
| 18:27.56 | Patlabor2211 | so you could convert an existing map |
| 18:27.59 | Patlabor2211 | no links tho |
| 18:28.08 | Patlabor2211 | well they would jsut be skipped |
| 18:28.17 | Patlabor2211 | the map is in the data dir |
| 18:28.21 | Cell | k |
| 18:29.07 | Cell | ah it uses bzflag style defs for buildings, :-= |
| 18:29.18 | Patlabor2211 | well those objects do yes |
| 18:29.28 | Cell | pitty |
| 18:29.33 | Patlabor2211 | since they are bz objects |
| 18:29.42 | Patlabor2211 | other objects don't have to tho |
| 18:29.48 | Patlabor2211 | each object knows how to read it's own data |
| 18:29.54 | Patlabor2211 | so you can do what ever you want |
| 18:30.01 | Cell | how can i include a mesh to the map |
| 18:30.11 | Patlabor2211 | there are no mesh ents yet |
| 18:30.18 | Patlabor2211 | I have not made a mesh class |
| 18:30.31 | Cell | ah |
| 18:30.37 | Patlabor2211 | but it's set up so it's easy |
| 18:30.54 | Patlabor2211 | just need to derive off a CBaseObject and make it load a model |
| 18:31.00 | Patlabor2211 | and then register it |
| 18:31.02 | Cell | ah, k |
| 18:31.25 | Patlabor2211 | for those I just pulled the objects ftom bzedit |
| 18:31.29 | Patlabor2211 | to get somethign in there |
| 18:32.01 | Patlabor2211 | the idea is to make the map ojbect classes be like plugins |
| 18:32.06 | Cell | can a bsp be rebalanced after construction |
| 18:32.20 | Patlabor2211 | if you have the plugin register classes then you can use them in maps |
| 18:32.20 | Cell | so that it has not to high subtrees |
| 18:32.39 | Patlabor2211 | I think it all depends on where you pick your spliting planes |
| 18:33.01 | Patlabor2211 | you may be able to look at a tree and pick a better staring split plane and resplit |
| 18:33.13 | Patlabor2211 | and keep doing that till you get a ballance |
| 18:33.16 | Cell | an AVL tree can be rebalanced so that hight diff of subtrees is <=1 |
| 18:33.32 | Patlabor2211 | but the tree is defined by those splits so you can't just arbitraraly move them |
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| 18:33.43 | Cell | yeah thas the prob |
| 18:34.03 | [dmp] | daisy:/home/dennis# free |
| 18:34.03 | [dmp] | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.03 | [dmp] | Mem: 646152 191740 454412 0 3684 115032 |
| 18:34.05 | [dmp] | :) |
| 18:34.09 | Cell | and finding the optimal splitting sequence is NP hard |
| 18:34.30 | Patlabor2211 | 646 megs of ram? how did you get that? |
| 18:34.41 | Patlabor2211 | cell, so you do it once. |
| 18:34.53 | Patlabor2211 | 512+128? |
| 18:34.57 | [dmp] | yes |
| 18:35.06 | Patlabor2211 | odd combo :) |
| 18:35.33 | Cell | yes its a battle few splits as possible versus tree depth |
| 18:35.56 | [dmp] | Well, when i bought the mobo i got 128mb as well. Needed more memory so i bought the 512 stick as well :) |
| 18:36.29 | Patlabor2211 | cell this is why bsps are not allways the best thing |
| 18:36.33 | Cell | but i have some better ideas |
| 18:36.35 | [dmp] | But darn, at first it got really hot.. did boot or anything. Was affraid that it was melted (sure felt like it).. But after a reinstall (..) it worked nicely. |
| 18:36.42 | Patlabor2211 | what kinda ram? |
| 18:36.53 | Patlabor2211 | p[robably misseated |
| 18:37.18 | Cell | oh, nothing can beat a well balanced bsp tree |
| 18:37.32 | Patlabor2211 | cell depends on what you are trying to do |
| 18:37.46 | Cell | collision detection |
| 18:38.07 | Patlabor2211 | again depends on what exactly you want |
| 18:38.14 | Patlabor2211 | often cylinders are ok |
| 18:38.18 | Patlabor2211 | even desirable |
| 18:38.22 | Cell | i use only lines |
| 18:38.31 | [dmp] | DDR2100 Tech-Trade. I think it wasnt properly installed. Anyway, i'm happy. Now I can use mod_perl for real :) |
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| 18:38.53 | Cell | and offset the bsp tree as mdk 2 did it(described in an article) |
| 18:39.30 | Patlabor2211 | cap can I have the code you destupified? |
| 18:39.35 | Patlabor2211 | so I don't keep stupifying |
| 18:41.48 | Cell | the most difficult part is to get the interfaces right, i want that different types of things could be pluged in, like a tank or a heli with different huds |
| 18:42.14 | Cell | i was thinking about that for a long time now |
| 18:42.39 | Patlabor2211 | so it seems |
| 18:42.52 | Patlabor2211 | thanks cap |
| 18:44.58 | Cell | i thing that the server is doing the collision detection among moving objects and client checks for static objects |
| 18:45.29 | Patlabor2211 | server should check client calcs too |
| 18:45.36 | Patlabor2211 | or cheat could go thru statics |
| 18:45.53 | Patlabor2211 | dosn't have to send the data |
| 18:46.00 | Patlabor2211 | but should check the positions |
| 18:46.12 | Cell | yes but it would be not realistic cause of ping |
| 18:46.33 | Patlabor2211 | that's why you don't send the data |
| 18:46.35 | Patlabor2211 | you have to check |
| 18:46.48 | Patlabor2211 | and keep a 'wierdness level" |
| 18:46.48 | Cell | hmm what |
| 18:46.51 | Patlabor2211 | for each user |
| 18:47.01 | Patlabor2211 | the server just checks the client data to make sure it makes sense |
| 18:47.08 | Patlabor2211 | it dosn't do the calcs for the client |
| 18:47.12 | Patlabor2211 | just verifys |
| 18:47.29 | Patlabor2211 | and if the client is off by too much sends him an authoritive update. |
| 18:47.30 | Cell | and if it does not make sense => cheating ? |
| 18:47.51 | Patlabor2211 | well yes we know you love to cheat |
| 18:48.26 | Cell | what happens after an authorative update on the client side? |
| 18:48.29 | Patlabor2211 | did anyone check CVS to make sure it still builds on linus |
| 18:48.36 | captain_proton | bz cvs? |
| 18:48.37 | Patlabor2211 | the client jumps to that pos. |
| 18:48.39 | Patlabor2211 | yes |
| 18:49.30 | Patlabor2211 | larsl busted windows build, so I fixed it, it shoudl still work on lin but just want to make sure. |
| 18:51.59 | Jormungandr | that was totally easy. |
| 18:52.01 | Jormungandr | bzbb |
| 18:52.10 | Patlabor2211 | phpbb you mean then? |
| 18:52.48 | Jormungandr | err |
| 18:52.49 | Jormungandr | yup |
| 18:52.57 | Patlabor2211 | yeah it's cake to set up isn't it |
| 18:53.00 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 18:53.18 | Patlabor2211 | my first reaction was "that's it?" |
| 18:53.53 | Patlabor2211 | There are some nice mods you can apply too |
| 18:54.03 | Jormungandr | what sort of stuff? |
| 18:54.20 | Patlabor2211 | one I allways do is to index and forum lists and make the folder icon a link in adition to the text. |
| 18:54.32 | Jormungandr | hrm. |
| 18:54.39 | Jormungandr | that might be cool. |
| 18:54.45 | Patlabor2211 | there is also a board message one that lets you put announcements on the first page |
| 18:55.01 | Patlabor2211 | tho bzbb dosn't have that one now |
| 18:55.37 | Patlabor2211 | me and fiber are looking at making bzbb look like this www.bakadigital.com/sometin.png |
| 18:57.10 | Jormungandr | that looks a lot like my xoops site. |
| 18:57.28 | Patlabor2211 | we also did some stuff to make it so that guests can't see the meberlist and profiles and stuff like that. |
| 18:57.57 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 18:58.11 | Patlabor2211 | man, I'm still amazed at how good the .hack// music is. |
| 19:00.38 | Patlabor2211 | cap in "key of the twilight" what are the insturments? An acustinc gutar, bass, some violins, and keys? |
| 19:01.50 | captain_proton | sounds like there's a maracca or something too along with the beat |
| 19:02.01 | Patlabor2211 | and maybe a tamberene |
| 19:02.13 | captain_proton | no tambourine |
| 19:02.31 | Patlabor2211 | I'm wondering if I can con my firends band into playing it live :) |
| 19:02.56 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 19:03.14 | Patlabor2211 | yeah your right there isn't one, jus sometimes I hear the marackas and the pling of the gutar and it sounds kinda like it. |
| 19:04.07 | Patlabor2211 | wonder if there is sheet music for it |
| 19:04.20 | captain_proton | doubt it |
| 19:04.51 | Patlabor2211 | I watched all fo them this weekend |
| 19:05.12 | Patlabor2211 | I know 2 girls with great voices who would probably do it. |
| 19:22.48 | Patlabor2211 | ahhh nothing to get rid of a headake like track 14 |
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| 19:25.16 | larsl | Good evening. |
| 19:25.29 | Patlabor2211 | morning :) |
| 19:28.25 | captain_proton | Patlabor2211: builds find |
| 19:29.21 | Patlabor2211 | cool |
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| 19:56.13 | ak|ra | re |
| 19:59.26 | Noodleman | i´ve just gotten a resume from bernard shifman! :-D |
| 20:00.09 | captain_proton | resume? |
| 20:00.17 | Noodleman | yes |
| 20:00.24 | captain_proton | for...? |
| 20:00.26 | Noodleman | do you remember who bernard shifman is? |
| 20:00.31 | captain_proton | nope |
| 20:00.42 | Noodleman | http://www.petemoss.com/spamflames/ShifmanIsAMoronSpammer.html |
| 20:00.52 | ak|ra | hi captain_proton |
| 20:00.55 | captain_proton | hehehe |
| 20:01.01 | Noodleman | i´m sending him back a very tactfully insulting letter :-) |
| 20:01.30 | Noodleman | hopefully he´ll flame me back :-) |
| 20:01.53 | Noodleman | does anyone know any juicy lines from dante´s inferno i can use? |
| 20:05.26 | Chestal | Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate. |
| 20:06.00 | ak|ra | whatever |
| 20:06.18 | Chestal | "ABANDON ALL HOPE YE WHO ENTER HERE" |
| 20:06.37 | Chestal | that's the only thing from the divine comedy I know :-) |
| 20:07.19 | ak|ra | "hope you choke" |
| 20:07.25 | ak|ra | thats all i know from tool |
| 20:07.26 | ak|ra | :) |
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| 20:08.48 | ak|ra | hi girl |
| 20:09.47 | bzgirl | hello |
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| 20:42.59 | Jormungandr | grrr. |
| 20:43.22 | Jormungandr | mac ppl on bzflag.sf automatically assume I am doing something to make the compile fail. |
| 20:43.35 | Jormungandr | and never pretends to be. |
| 20:45.30 | Patlabor2211 | hey I couldn't get the thing to build on osx ether |
| 20:47.38 | Jormungandr | supposedly you have to change the compiler, which I did, but it still tried to use gcc 3.1 libraries. |
| 20:47.59 | Jormungandr | so I am going to biff my entire cvs tree and re download it. |
| 20:48.02 | [TeA|TrEE] | cu all |
| 20:48.02 | Jormungandr | and try from scratch. |
| 20:48.04 | Patlabor2211 | didn't someone make a project file thingy for it? |
| 20:48.08 | Jormungandr | yes. |
| 20:48.11 | Jormungandr | that's what's not working. |
| 20:48.14 | Jormungandr | for me anyways. |
| 20:48.45 | Jormungandr | I'm gunna breath down some necks about the mac version until it works, since I can't use my pc anymore. :( I really miss playing. |
| 20:48.56 | *** part/#bzflag [TeA|TrEE] (~trillian@pD9E960BA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:49.47 | Jormungandr | ~bzflist |
| 20:53.36 | Patlabor2211 | what did you do to your PC? |
| 20:56.13 | Jormungandr | my partner's pc is broken... so I replaced it with mine. |
| 20:56.18 | Jormungandr | and now I have a broken pc |
| 20:56.25 | Jormungandr | at least until I can buy some parts. |
| 20:56.28 | Patlabor2211 | what is broken? |
| 20:56.35 | Jormungandr | it's either the motherboard or the RAM |
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| 20:56.47 | Patlabor2211 | what kinda CPU is it? |
| 20:56.55 | Jormungandr | thunderbird |
| 20:57.08 | Jormungandr | amd |
| 20:57.12 | Jormungandr | not sure the speed |
| 20:57.25 | Jormungandr | I think it's a 1.4 |
| 20:57.55 | Patlabor2211 | ddr ram or sdram? |
| 20:57.57 | Jormungandr | I don't think it's the processor. |
| 20:58.00 | Jormungandr | ddr |
| 20:58.25 | Patlabor2211 | I have an Iwill board you can have if you want it |
| 20:58.35 | Jormungandr | it's either the onboard ide controller or the ram |
| 20:58.42 | Jormungandr | let me do some troubleshooting first. |
| 20:58.43 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 20:58.46 | Patlabor2211 | k |
| 20:58.49 | Jormungandr | thanks for the offer. :) |
| 20:58.53 | Patlabor2211 | sure |
| 20:58.58 | Patlabor2211 | alos have PCI ide cards |
| 20:59.34 | Jormungandr | I have one, too, but have had issues using 60gb ibm deskstar drives with external ide controller. |
| 20:59.42 | captain_proton | ibm deathstar? |
| 20:59.44 | Jormungandr | I might try it anyway. |
| 20:59.45 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 20:59.46 | Jormungandr | :( |
| 20:59.49 | Jormungandr | I have 2 |
| 20:59.54 | Jormungandr | that's 2 left. |
| 20:59.58 | Jormungandr | I threw away 2. |
| 21:00.17 | Jormungandr | but I am using a quantum for troubleshooting. |
| 21:00.40 | Jormungandr | so I don't have to worry about the ibm being the problem. |
| 21:00.51 | Jormungandr | it's always a drive writing issue that the install fails on. |
| 21:01.06 | Jormungandr | and I have tried 3 different drives. |
| 21:01.22 | Jormungandr | well, 4 really. |
| 21:01.37 | Jormungandr | one was an 80 gig western digital that I stuck in my TiVo ;) |
| 21:01.44 | Jormungandr | 35 hours mmmmm. |
| 21:20.45 | Patlabor2211 | wtf, g++ errors when I try to make screamers |
| 21:25.10 | Jormungandr | hour-ish left of work. |
| 21:25.11 | Jormungandr | yay |
| 21:36.47 | Jormungandr | ugh. |
| 21:36.49 | Jormungandr | more crap |
| 21:37.13 | Jormungandr | "I didn't do anything but try to compile with project builder" |
| 21:37.30 | Jormungandr | "did you make your own project file or did you use the one in the dist" |
| 21:37.40 | Jormungandr | as if |
| 21:37.49 | Jormungandr | I wouldn't even know how. |
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| 21:41.54 | Patlabor2211 | humans are kinda stoopid |
| 21:42.01 | captain_proton | silly human! |
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| 21:42.29 | Patlabor2211 | I thought macs were suposed to be "easy" |
| 21:43.59 | Jormungandr | me, too |
| 21:45.16 | Patlabor2211 | why don't they just make a binary and post it? |
| 21:51.38 | Jormungandr | because I am having problems with a previously posted binary. |
| 21:51.58 | Patlabor2211 | well they shoudl make a new one then |
| 21:52.12 | Jormungandr | my brightness control is inoperable and the sound is terrible. (a terrible echo) |
| 21:52.37 | Jormungandr | I want to see if I can get it to build. I am not sure I trust binary dists now. |
| 21:52.40 | Jormungandr | at least mac ones. |
| 21:52.41 | Patlabor2211 | think it was a build problem? or a CVS problem that's been fixed? |
| 21:52.47 | Jormungandr | dunno |
| 21:52.53 | Jormungandr | that's why I want to get it working |
| 21:53.05 | Patlabor2211 | but yes it sould build out of the box I agree |
| 21:53.09 | Patlabor2211 | all other OSs do |
| 21:53.12 | Jormungandr | cuz if I can compile it, then I can urge people to fix specific problems. |
| 21:54.03 | Jormungandr | I suspect I might be running into an opengl issue with this vid card and osx. |
| 21:54.20 | Jormungandr | I don't know why the brightness control is greyed. |
| 21:54.22 | Patlabor2211 | ati or nvidia? |
| 21:54.24 | Jormungandr | ati |
| 21:54.30 | Jormungandr | 8500 mac version |
| 21:54.59 | Jormungandr | can't get an nvidia card for mac for less then 300. |
| 21:55.02 | Jormungandr | :( |
| 21:55.08 | Jormungandr | at least not a good one. |
| 21:55.44 | Jormungandr | ati sucks in the driver dept lately. |
| 21:55.44 | Patlabor2211 | what is a bad one? |
| 21:55.52 | Patlabor2211 | big time |
| 21:56.08 | Jormungandr | dunno... but the only cards available at local stores are expensive (nvidia) |
| 21:56.22 | Patlabor2211 | they shoudl make 4MXs for it |
| 21:56.24 | Jormungandr | this one was 199 as it is. |
| 21:56.32 | Jormungandr | that's the one that was over 300 |
| 21:56.43 | Patlabor2211 | WTF for a 4MX? |
| 21:56.46 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 21:56.53 | Jormungandr | mac has a boot rom on the card. |
| 21:56.55 | Patlabor2211 | it's a 15$ chip |
| 21:56.58 | Jormungandr | makes it much more expensive. |
| 21:57.02 | Patlabor2211 | damn |
| 21:57.06 | Jormungandr | supply and demand. |
| 21:57.22 | Patlabor2211 | PC 4MXs are like $40 |
| 21:57.22 | Patlabor2211 | I guess |
| 21:57.52 | Jormungandr | but, I bought this card, and hope that I can get people to support it out of the kindness of their hearts. |
| 21:58.11 | Jormungandr | I was told it should work. |
| 21:58.26 | Jormungandr | then again, ATI and Jaguar drivers are not wonderful right now. |
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| 22:21.59 | bzgirl | hi paul |
| 22:22.08 | bzgirl | happy irish day :) |
| 22:22.13 | paul | thank you! :) |
| 22:22.34 | paul | how are the celebrations over your side of the pond? |
| 22:22.52 | bzgirl | well not as crazy as yours i guess |
| 22:23.01 | bzgirl | but tonight might be fun |
| 22:23.02 | paul | i wouldnt know.. :) |
| 22:25.15 | paul | back in a bit |
| 22:31.06 | Jormungandr | & |
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| 22:54.21 | bzdoug_ | greetings |
| 22:54.35 | bzgirl | hi doug |
| 22:54.47 | bzdoug_ | lo |
| 23:08.07 | Noodleman_ | moo |
| 23:09.55 | Noodleman_ | i just had to deal with a performa such-and-so |
| 23:10.02 | Noodleman_ | geez, it was slow |
| 23:10.29 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 23:10.48 | Jormungandr | this is not a slow machine, just not too confident with how they are building it with project builder. |
| 23:10.52 | Noodleman_ | that is a bad excuse for a mac |
| 23:11.20 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 23:17.01 | Jormungandr | compile fails on mac with fresh CVS and changing to the compiler setting that they recommend. |
| 23:18.38 | Patlabor2211 | hah cap I just added mine :) |
| 23:20.27 | captain_proton | yours is longer than mine |
| 23:20.34 | Patlabor2211 | damn strait :) |
| 23:21.15 | Patlabor2211 | just hope that dosn't become your random quote on the log page :) |
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| 23:23.32 | Jormungandr | I really have to doubt that many people are trying to compile on Jaguar. |
| 23:23.42 | Chestal | 1 |
| 23:23.44 | Chestal | oops |
| 23:23.49 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 23:23.49 | Jormungandr | me |
| 23:23.52 | Jormungandr | ;) |
| 23:26.07 | Jormungandr | this stupid thing is still using gcc 3.1 compiler even after I set it to use 2.95.2 |
| 23:27.19 | captain_proton | Patlabor2211: haha |
| 23:39.45 | larsl | Jormungandr: Don't Apple still have that free C++ compiler? MrC++, or something? |
| 23:40.13 | Jormungandr | larsl, there is something called projectbuilder which is apple's interface to gcc. |
| 23:40.19 | Jormungandr | since I don't code |
| 23:40.33 | Jormungandr | I have to use what others have already got to work. |
| 23:41.11 | Jormungandr | I get errors, because it is trying to use gcc 3.1 libs instead of gcc 2.95.2 libs. |
| 23:41.20 | larsl | OK. I haven't used Mac since MacOS 8, back then they had something called Mac Programmers Workbench, a free IDE. |
| 23:41.27 | Jormungandr | this is free. |
| 23:41.29 | Jormungandr | with the os |
| 23:41.30 | Jormungandr | but |
| 23:41.33 | larsl | Oh, nice. =) |
| 23:41.40 | Jormungandr | you'd think they'd get it to work with standard make |
| 23:41.42 | Jormungandr | but, no. |
| 23:41.59 | larsl | Standard make = GNU make? |
| 23:42.02 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 23:42.19 | Patlabor2211 | MPW ROXORZ :) |
| 23:42.22 | Patlabor2211 | we still use it |
| 23:42.35 | Jormungandr | the official word is that "they only have it working with project builder" |
| 23:42.44 | Jormungandr | I'd argue that. |
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| 23:43.18 | Patlabor2211 | well you can't use gnu make on winders |
| 23:43.53 | Jormungandr | mac != windows ;) |
| 23:44.06 | larsl | Can't you use GNU make on Windows? |
| 23:44.15 | Jormungandr | not for bzflag |
| 23:44.27 | larsl | Ah. |
| 23:44.43 | Patlabor2211 | nope |
| 23:44.52 | Patlabor2211 | it's difrent enough where it don't work |
| 23:44.56 | larsl | Has anyone tried to build it using Cygwin? |
| 23:44.58 | Patlabor2211 | so mac may have the same issues |
| 23:45.00 | Patlabor2211 | yup |
| 23:45.05 | Patlabor2211 | that's how you get make |
| 23:45.06 | Patlabor2211 | don't go |
| 23:45.17 | larsl | I don't even have Windows. =) |
| 23:45.29 | Patlabor2211 | have to use visual stiudio |
| 23:45.41 | Patlabor2211 | tho i may be posible to get it to work with devC++ |
| 23:46.05 | bzdoug_ | so tehre isnt a way to compile bzflag for free on winders? |
| 23:46.17 | bzdoug_ | no cross compiling or somthing? |
| 23:46.37 | Noodleman_ | there is |
| 23:46.42 | Patlabor2211 | how? |
| 23:46.45 | bzdoug_ | oh? |
| 23:46.45 | Noodleman_ | it;s called kazaa |
| 23:46.49 | Noodleman_ | :-) |
| 23:46.49 | larsl | But wouldn't it be possible to build all the required libs using Cygwin or MinGW32 (including X) and build the *NIX version? |
| 23:46.50 | Patlabor2211 | well yes |
| 23:46.51 | bzdoug_ | http://www.wxwindows.org/technote/crosscmp.htm |
| 23:46.59 | bzdoug_ | Noodleman_: bleeeh |
| 23:47.11 | Patlabor2211 | dono larsl |
| 23:47.22 | Patlabor2211 | I think the problem is just with the make scrips |
| 23:47.26 | larsl | Not that I'd want to try. =P |
| 23:47.33 | Patlabor2211 | I think if you went in and manualy made each lob |
| 23:47.35 | Patlabor2211 | lib |
| 23:47.43 | Patlabor2211 | then linked them it work would work |
| 23:47.56 | Patlabor2211 | it just won't work with the current 'nix centeric makefile |
| 23:48.35 | larsl | Another reason to use automake/autoconf. =) |
| 23:48.47 | Patlabor2211 | what does that do? |
| 23:49.16 | larsl | It has a lot of predefined macros to deal with differnces between platforms. |
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| 23:49.49 | Patlabor2211 | and why hasn't it been done? |
| 23:50.12 | larsl | I don't know. I've only been here for a couple of weeks. =) |
| 23:50.16 | Patlabor2211 | are there any drawbacks? |
| 23:50.43 | larsl | With the current number of different Makefiles and config scripts it would probably be a lot of hard work to switch. |
| 23:51.08 | bzdoug_ | *cough* lazyness *cough* |
| 23:51.22 | Patlabor2211 | yeah doug knows all about that |
| 23:51.23 | larsl | Drawbacks... well, you'd need sh to run the configure script. But that's not too bad. |
| 23:51.58 | Noodleman_ | all the cows said... |
| 23:52.16 | Noodleman_ | moo! |
| 23:52.26 | Noodleman_ | come on! |
| 23:52.29 | Noodleman_ | moo with me! |
| 23:52.29 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 23:53.05 | larsl | Was that the Python build system? |
| 23:53.46 | bzdoug_ | like selfbootable cd :) |
| 23:53.56 | Noodleman_ | not hard at all |
| 23:53.57 | larsl | Put it on a Knoppix CD. =) |
| 23:54.00 | bzdoug_ | could show off leenox too |
| 23:54.07 | bzdoug_ | s |
| 23:54.36 | larsl | Maybe it's even there already. |
| 23:55.24 | captain_proton | larsl: yeah |
| 23:57.49 | scanline | Noodleman_: has my obfuscated code revealed its secrets to you yet? :) |
| 23:58.08 | captain_proton | =) |
| 23:58.08 | Noodleman_ | i haven't really looked into it yet |
| 23:58.31 | captain_proton | it holds onto its secrets like superglue |
| 23:58.35 | captain_proton | from the super glue corporation |
| 23:58.42 | larsl | It would be difficult to make a CD work with nVidia cards though, you're probably not allowed to put their drivers on it. =P |
| 23:58.55 | Noodleman_ | larsl: yes, you are |
| 23:59.05 | Patlabor2211 | seen gentoo do it |
| 23:59.14 | larsl | Noodleman_: Oh, nice. Didn't know that. |
| 23:59.37 | Patlabor2211 | actualy most of the CDS likt that I see support just nvidia cards |
| 23:59.39 | Noodleman_ | the license for the linux drivers is traditional freeware |
| 23:59.54 | captain_proton | scanline: do you have it? |
| 23:59.58 | Patlabor2211 | yeah you just don't get the sorce to the core. |