| 00:11.17 | Chestal | sid is in no good shape right now |
| 00:14.43 | bzdoug_ | whos sid? |
| 00:14.57 | Chestal | sid is unstable |
| 00:15.09 | bzdoug_ | better get him to a doctor |
| 00:15.27 | Chestal | will fix itself in a few days I guess |
| 00:15.36 | bzdoug_ | good |
| 00:16.11 | Chestal | I need a floppy disc |
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| 00:16.31 | Noodleman | w00t |
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| 01:25.27 | Patlabor2211 | do doug you want to try it? :) |
| 01:29.23 | bzdoug_ | ? |
| 01:29.26 | bzdoug_ | the rocking tanks? |
| 01:29.29 | bzdoug_ | yes yes! |
| 01:30.30 | Patlabor2211 | http://www.bakadigital.com/3DScreamers.zip |
| 01:31.18 | Patlabor2211 | if you don't allready have SDL |
| 01:31.26 | Patlabor2211 | same url SDL.zip |
| 01:31.31 | bzdoug_ | k |
| 01:32.21 | bzdoug_ | rather big |
| 01:32.26 | bzdoug_ | multiplayer or something? |
| 01:32.41 | Patlabor2211 | why would multiplayer make it larger? |
| 01:32.50 | Patlabor2211 | and it's only 13 megs |
| 01:33.02 | bzdoug_ | 71 KBs... |
| 01:33.11 | Patlabor2211 | not bad |
| 01:33.18 | captain_proton | Patlabor2211: that run on linux? :) |
| 01:33.32 | Patlabor2211 | haven't tried to build it on lin yet |
| 01:33.44 | Patlabor2211 | need to do a makefule |
| 01:33.47 | bzdoug_ | hmm, 66.6 KBs.. |
| 01:33.49 | Patlabor2211 | no source cap |
| 01:34.10 | Patlabor2211 | if you want source I can zip |
| 01:34.14 | captain_proton | plz |
| 01:35.31 | bzdoug_ | haha |
| 01:35.35 | bzdoug_ | just like a boat |
| 01:36.49 | Patlabor2211 | it's good |
| 01:37.11 | captain_proton | i've seen the first one |
| 01:37.19 | Patlabor2211 | http:/www.bakadigital.com/3DScreamersSrc.zip |
| 01:37.33 | Patlabor2211 | and http://www.bakadigital.com/lge.zip |
| 01:38.35 | Patlabor2211 | well it would be like a boat if boats could jump |
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| 01:38.49 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
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| 01:39.08 | bzdoug_ | dont ya hate that? |
| 01:39.10 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 01:39.21 | Patlabor2211 | yeah why does escape leave the channel.? |
| 01:39.27 | bzdoug_ | hmm, would make a good boat racing game |
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| 01:39.39 | Patlabor2211 | cept boats can't jump |
| 01:39.39 | bzdoug_ | huh |
| 01:39.42 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 01:39.49 | bzdoug_ | boat ramps :) |
| 01:39.58 | Patlabor2211 | hit tab doug |
| 01:40.03 | captain_proton | it certainly is a pretty anime |
| 01:40.10 | Patlabor2211 | yes it is |
| 01:40.34 | Patlabor2211 | one of the good dubs too |
| 01:40.35 | bzdoug_ | yea, I got it to jump, but take out the tab, add collision detection, and make it look like your on water.. :) |
| 01:41.29 | Patlabor2211 | why doug? |
| 01:41.52 | bzdoug_ | GPLed boat racing game :) |
| 01:42.05 | Patlabor2211 | colision detection is not the hard part, it's colision response |
| 01:42.21 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 01:43.21 | Patlabor2211 | blood wake or something like that |
| 01:43.30 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 01:43.58 | Patlabor2211 | I went derived class crazy on this one |
| 01:44.09 | bzdoug_ | and you get an excuse to go to the beach to record sounds of water/boats/engines/etc :P |
| 01:44.33 | Patlabor2211 | and why do I need an excuse to go to the beach? |
| 01:44.40 | Patlabor2211 | I'm not landlocked like you are. |
| 01:44.49 | bzdoug_ | hmm, but you never go |
| 01:44.56 | Patlabor2211 | yeah |
| 01:45.01 | Patlabor2211 | cus I've been A LOT |
| 01:45.06 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 01:45.06 | Patlabor2211 | it's not a special thing realy |
| 01:45.20 | Patlabor2211 | and it's raining |
| 01:45.36 | bzdoug_ | its nice 60 degree weather toda |
| 01:45.56 | Patlabor2211 | last place I went to for water sports was the colorado river |
| 01:46.16 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 01:46.28 | Patlabor2211 | well unless you count sailing |
| 01:46.34 | Patlabor2211 | I've been sailing a fair amount |
| 01:46.38 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 01:46.49 | bzdoug_ | my dad had a boat when he was a kid |
| 01:46.50 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 01:47.01 | Patlabor2211 | by bo has a boat right now |
| 01:47.05 | Patlabor2211 | bos |
| 01:47.07 | Patlabor2211 | boss even |
| 01:47.10 | bzdoug_ | he won many races with it |
| 01:47.13 | Patlabor2211 | big racing one |
| 01:47.17 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 01:47.32 | Patlabor2211 | like 60 somthing foot cat |
| 01:47.42 | bzdoug_ | wow |
| 01:47.50 | Patlabor2211 | big time racing |
| 01:47.51 | bzdoug_ | cats are fast |
| 01:47.53 | Patlabor2211 | yes |
| 01:48.18 | bzdoug_ | I went on a hoby-cat 16 once... really small thing, but it went so fast the rudders sang |
| 01:48.19 | scanline | haha |
| 01:48.28 | scanline | another hello world |
| 01:49.25 | Patlabor2211 | what do you usualy init srand with on linux? |
| 01:52.29 | captain_proton | damnit Patlabor2211 |
| 01:52.38 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 01:52.49 | captain_proton | stop using NULL to mean '\0'\ |
| 01:53.19 | captain_proton | NULL is for pointers. '\0' is for characters |
| 01:56.35 | Patlabor2211 | I told you I haven't tried in on lin yet |
| 01:56.43 | Patlabor2211 | so there may be a number of things like that |
| 01:57.07 | Patlabor2211 | ohh in the model manager |
| 01:57.30 | captain_proton | this is in OSFile |
| 01:58.05 | Patlabor2211 | yeah haven't hmm thought i got that one, maybe I have an old verisonof OS file here |
| 01:58.49 | Patlabor2211 | haven't tried OSfile at all on lin, it's newish |
| 01:59.41 | Patlabor2211 | hell I haven't even make makefiles for the thing yet |
| 02:05.18 | bzdoug_ | This comment was encrypted twice with ROT-13 for security |
| 02:16.01 | Patlabor2211 | wow ti's been a while since I have needed to do a do/while loop ( pun intended ) |
| 02:16.33 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 02:17.16 | Patlabor2211 | nope don't have to do one. hate using them for some reason |
| 02:24.27 | bzdoug_ | Lbh unir qrpelcgrq zl fvt. Haqre gur QZPN, lbh ner abj n pevzvany. |
| 02:25.03 | Patlabor2211 | took you that long? |
| 02:25.23 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 02:25.37 | Patlabor2211 | were you encoding on an abacus? |
| 03:05.24 | Patlabor2211 | well off to finish up colisions at home |
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| 03:25.58 | Patlabor221 | humans are wierd |
| 03:26.49 | Patlabor221 | "I want to be able to use system variables in my dupe and calcs, in bzedit, like system time and stuff" |
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| 06:30.44 | captain_proton | DAMNIT Patalbor2211 |
| 06:30.50 | captain_proton | CASE SENSITIVE INCLUDE FILES |
| 06:31.02 | captain_proton | #include <MAP> |
| 06:31.03 | captain_proton | #include <STRING> |
| 06:31.03 | captain_proton | #include <VECTOR> |
| 06:31.04 | captain_proton | bah! |
| 06:40.12 | Patalbor2211 | I told you I didn't go thru it yet |
| 06:40.15 | Patalbor2211 | I know all these things |
| 06:40.27 | Patalbor2211 | just hard to rememeber when you are in the groove |
| 06:42.23 | Patalbor2211 | that '/n' stuff makes a bucnh of warnings |
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| 06:52.56 | Patalbor2211 | enchelada? |
| 06:55.11 | Patalbor2211 | that like the BOD? |
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| 06:56.18 | captain_proton | ? |
| 06:56.29 | Patalbor2211 | burito of doom |
| 06:56.36 | captain_proton | yep |
| 06:56.41 | captain_proton | hm, screamers compiled |
| 06:57.17 | Patalbor2211 | amazing |
| 06:58.29 | captain_proton | runs but seemingly without textures |
| 06:58.58 | Patalbor2211 | you have the dir above the data dir as the default dir? |
| 06:59.49 | captain_proton | thats where i'm running it from |
| 07:00.45 | Patalbor2211 | odd |
| 07:01.01 | Patalbor2211 | must have got some of the caps wrong on the dirs then |
| 07:02.35 | captain_proton | ok, now textures work |
| 07:02.47 | captain_proton | but i get a basic world thats spinning on the z axis |
| 07:04.00 | Patalbor2211 | proalby can't load the map ether |
| 07:29.31 | Patalbor2211 | how hard was it to get it to compile? |
| 07:37.52 | captain_proton | had to change a bunch of random stuff that you should know by now ;-) |
| 07:38.19 | Patalbor2211 | I paobalby do know it |
| 07:38.24 | Patalbor2211 | just hadn't done it yet |
| 07:39.05 | Patalbor2211 | tho that /n stuff gotta figure out something that don't give warnings on both OSs |
| 07:42.31 | Patalbor2211 | I wonder if there is a way to make VS do case sensitive incluses, to forcemyself |
| 07:48.10 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:48.44 | Patalbor2211 | instead of NULL |
| 07:48.50 | Patalbor2211 | '\n' |
| 07:49.03 | Patalbor2211 | gives me a warning |
| 07:49.19 | Patalbor2211 | int to unsigned char |
| 07:51.45 | captain_proton | instead of null you should use '\0' |
| 07:51.52 | captain_proton | '\n' is very different =) |
| 07:52.48 | Patalbor2211 | dho |
| 07:52.54 | Patalbor2211 | don't want newlines :) |
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| 09:55.01 | ak|ra | hi |
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| 11:55.14 | [dmp] | I need a new keyboard.. One which dosnt have the "sleep"-key next to f12.. :-\ |
| 11:59.55 | mmu_man | eh |
| 12:00.19 | mmu_man | well, sleep only starts the screensaver here :) |
| 12:00.24 | mmu_man | less dangerous |
| 12:10.52 | [dmp] | sleep -> computer shutdown -> "wake up" -> wakes up -> crashes -> reboot -> checkdisk -> loginscreen.. And I just wanted to quit bzflag :) |
| 12:11.31 | mmu_man | lol |
| 13:22.22 | [dmp] | anybody from italy? |
| 13:33.16 | mmu_man | france |
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| 17:19.23 | bzdoug_ | 'lo Patlabor221 |
| 17:20.00 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 17:20.23 | bzdoug_ | troubleshooting electronics |
| 17:20.39 | bzdoug_ | and I figured it out :) |
| 17:22.03 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
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| 17:22.58 | bzgirl | hi |
| 17:23.03 | ak|ra | hi babe |
| 17:23.03 | bzdoug_ | hmm, having audio and digital data on the same board is hard to troubleshoot |
| 17:23.10 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 17:23.14 | bzdoug_ | lo |
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| 17:57.46 | bzdoug_ | greetings |
| 18:01.39 | Cell | quak |
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| 18:53.48 | Jormungandr | Patlabor, is linux compatible version of bz zero going to be done today? |
| 18:54.00 | Jormungandr | dave is begging me to put up a server this evening. |
| 18:54.17 | Jormungandr | he is not wise in the ways of how developing happens. |
| 18:54.30 | Patlabor221 | well since it's raining ( heavaly ) and I can't clean off my balcony I can go find it |
| 18:54.41 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 18:54.46 | Patlabor221 | you just want server right? |
| 18:54.48 | Jormungandr | what do you need to find? |
| 18:54.53 | Jormungandr | pretty much |
| 18:55.04 | Jormungandr | since I currently can't play :( |
| 18:55.07 | Patlabor221 | need to find the code that I got to compile |
| 18:55.11 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 18:55.49 | Patlabor221 | and the tarball that is up there won't go? |
| 18:55.55 | Jormungandr | I am beyond slightly annoyed because he committed my resources for this game on the basis of a post you made on the forums. |
| 18:55.56 | Jormungandr | no. |
| 18:56.03 | Jormungandr | I get errors re:libraries. |
| 18:56.10 | Jormungandr | and it won't build. |
| 18:56.23 | larsl | Where is this BZ Zero? |
| 18:56.42 | Jormungandr | if you compile it on RH 8, it'll work for me, most likely. |
| 18:56.45 | Jormungandr | or RH 7.3 |
| 18:56.54 | Jormungandr | I'll stick it on whichever machine. |
| 18:57.08 | Jormungandr | I have to build a new computer today so I can play bzflag. |
| 18:58.06 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 18:58.29 | Jormungandr | all my shell windows are green text on a black background. |
| 18:58.38 | Jormungandr | easier on my old eyes. |
| 18:58.43 | Patlabor221 | wierd that you get lib errors, didn't change anything there with them |
| 18:58.55 | Patlabor221 | should be the same as normal bz |
| 18:59.50 | Jormungandr | [mandrake@tiamat bin]$ ./bzfsZ -p 5555 -pr 5556 |
| 18:59.51 | Jormungandr | ./bzfsZ: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:00.07 | Jormungandr | what was that compiled on? |
| 19:00.09 | Jormungandr | what dist |
| 19:00.34 | Jormungandr | this is on dragon.org (rh 7.3) |
| 19:01.29 | Patlabor221 | what the hell? |
| 19:01.35 | Patlabor221 | that's a standard C lib |
| 19:01.44 | Jormungandr | mine is .so.6 |
| 19:01.54 | Jormungandr | you must have compiled on older platform? |
| 19:02.07 | Patlabor221 | RH8 |
| 19:02.14 | Patlabor221 | and you can't rebuild it? |
| 19:02.19 | Jormungandr | hrm. I could try to run it from logos. |
| 19:02.23 | Jormungandr | nope. get errors. |
| 19:02.30 | Jormungandr | let me test... |
| 19:03.22 | Patlabor221 | well I get the client to build |
| 19:03.33 | Jormungandr | it works on rh8, just not 7.3 |
| 19:03.44 | Patlabor221 | ok so you are good? |
| 19:04.00 | Jormungandr | he is advertising the 7.3 machine as where he is playing. |
| 19:04.16 | Jormungandr | without asking me, mind you. |
| 19:04.20 | Patlabor221 | well let me take CVS and make the same changes to it |
| 19:04.26 | Jormungandr | okie. |
| 19:04.29 | Patlabor221 | yeah he seems a bit "exciteable" |
| 19:04.38 | Jormungandr | ITYM annoying. |
| 19:04.39 | Jormungandr | ;) |
| 19:04.53 | Patlabor221 | it's like 5 changes in CVS for the server, and boom you got BZF:Zero :) |
| 19:04.57 | Patlabor221 | maybe even less |
| 19:05.00 | Jormungandr | very cool. |
| 19:05.17 | Jormungandr | bbiaf... checking the garden. (planted a bunch of new stuff last weekend.) |
| 19:05.38 | Patlabor221 | change the version, change the protocoll name ( add a Z) and double the auto kick speed |
| 19:11.12 | Jormungandr | heh. |
| 19:11.26 | Jormungandr | also change the list server? |
| 19:11.39 | Jormungandr | garden is looking really good. |
| 19:11.50 | Patlabor221 | no it uses bz's normal list server |
| 19:11.54 | Jormungandr | does it? |
| 19:11.56 | Jormungandr | wow. |
| 19:11.57 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:12.10 | Jormungandr | how does it know it's a zero server? |
| 19:12.13 | Patlabor221 | since the version is 0, it dosn't show with thether servers |
| 19:12.18 | Jormungandr | ah. cool. |
| 19:12.53 | Patlabor221 | when a client asks for a list serv list, it sends it's verison, and the list serv only replys with servers of that version |
| 19:13.00 | Jormungandr | oh, nice. |
| 19:13.02 | Patlabor221 | current bz uses version 1.7e |
| 19:13.08 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 19:13.11 | Patlabor221 | I use 0.1a |
| 19:13.34 | Jormungandr | if all else fails, I can give this machine a dragon.org hostname, and run that one on here. I'd like to use dragon.org though. |
| 19:13.49 | Patlabor221 | I'm workin on it |
| 19:13.54 | Jormungandr | cool :) |
| 19:13.59 | Patlabor221 | would be faster if I had samba workin :( |
| 19:14.17 | Jormungandr | I hate to pressure people (except noodleman ;) ) |
| 19:14.59 | Jormungandr | the nice thing is that if you merge with current cvs, I can use config files, and my standard sandbox format. |
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| 19:17.41 | JeffM2501 | how do I restart X? |
| 19:17.56 | JeffM2501 | nick Patalbor2221 |
| 19:18.15 | Chestal | depends on how it got started |
| 19:18.25 | Chestal | probably /etc/init.d/gdm restart or similar |
| 19:18.39 | Jormungandr | does your's start in init 5? |
| 19:18.40 | Patlabor2221 | isn't there a ctrl + alt + someting to force it to die? |
| 19:18.42 | Chestal | qukc'n'diry way is to press ctrl-alt-backsapce |
| 19:18.47 | Patlabor2221 | that's it |
| 19:18.47 | Jormungandr | control alt backspace |
| 19:19.16 | Chestal | there he goes... :-) |
| 19:19.24 | Patlabor2221 | was just gona say that |
| 19:19.46 | Patlabor221 | ok so found the right code |
| 19:20.16 | Patlabor221 | I should do the cvs change, since the one zero has can still have the cose/wait bug |
| 19:20.41 | Chestal | I haven't been leakign any more filehandles with the current version |
| 19:20.55 | Patlabor221 | cvsin up now to make the server changes |
| 19:21.09 | Chestal | the join procedure is still buggy, though, but worst things that happen is that a client hangs on connecting or that the server very slowly loses player slots |
| 19:21.19 | Patlabor221 | must remember to change the speed kick so that people don't get kicked on a boost :) |
| 19:21.34 | Patlabor221 | that what happend on ducati? |
| 19:21.35 | Chestal | that speed kick still has problems with normal bzflag even |
| 19:21.45 | Chestal | ducati? when? |
| 19:21.46 | Patlabor221 | yeah for zero I double the speed |
| 19:21.55 | Patlabor221 | you said that it had lost 2 slots the other day |
| 19:22.10 | Chestal | although Tim doesn't seem to care too much for innocent players getting kicked |
| 19:22.23 | Chestal | yes, I don't know why, but it obviously had |
| 19:22.46 | Patlabor221 | guilty till proven incocent I guess |
| 19:22.49 | Chestal | I wonder whether g2 will ever be released |
| 19:22.55 | Chestal | MAC has been moving and I guess Tim will soon? |
| 19:23.03 | Patlabor221 | yeah he will be |
| 19:23.15 | Patlabor221 | Tim said if he has net access in the hotell he will work on it |
| 19:23.22 | Patlabor221 | if not then it will be about a week or 2 |
| 19:26.55 | Patlabor221 | ugg I hate when I get 1.8 by accedent |
| 19:27.12 | Patlabor221 | is there any way to get 1.8 outa there? |
| 19:30.09 | Chestal | reportedly, Tim tried when we switched back to 1.7, that is he tried to make 1.7 HEAD but failed or something |
| 19:31.50 | Patlabor221 | did he just give up then? |
| 19:34.54 | larsl | Probably something you would have to ask the SF people to do. |
| 19:38.42 | Patlabor221 | so he sould ask them :) |
| 19:40.13 | Patlabor221 | danm I allways forget what file has the version in it |
| 19:41.19 | larsl | config ? |
| 19:41.27 | Patlabor221 | yeah that's where it was |
| 19:41.35 | larsl | grep is your friend. =) |
| 19:41.46 | Patlabor221 | not on leeenox |
| 19:42.35 | Patlabor221 | I just use CTRL+SHIFT+F |
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| 19:54.57 | Patlabor221 | ok got CVS to build a windows BzfsZ serever now for lin |
| 19:57.07 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 19:57.34 | Jormungandr | I just started linux install on desktop to run bzflag. now it's gotta check for bad blocks on 2 60 gig drives. |
| 19:57.35 | Jormungandr | whee. |
| 19:58.23 | Patlabor221 | ick |
| 19:58.46 | Patlabor221 | bzfs dosn't need the data dir does it? |
| 19:59.28 | larsl | Patlabor221: I don't think so. |
| 20:00.06 | larsl | Haven't seen any references to it in bzfs.cxx. |
| 20:00.39 | Jormungandr | no bzfs doesn't need data dir |
| 20:01.35 | Patlabor221 | WHAT THE HECK!!!! |
| 20:01.38 | Jormungandr | ? |
| 20:01.39 | Patlabor221 | it segs |
| 20:02.02 | Jormungandr | :/ |
| 20:03.09 | Patlabor221 | and I have no clue why |
| 20:03.23 | Jormungandr | can you run a trace on it while it runs? |
| 20:03.37 | Jormungandr | strace commandline |
| 20:03.46 | Jormungandr | does it seg right away? |
| 20:03.50 | Patlabor221 | how does one do that? I am not up on the linux debgin stuff |
| 20:03.54 | Patlabor221 | trying a clean make now |
| 20:03.58 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 20:03.59 | Patlabor221 | then I'll try that |
| 20:04.05 | Jormungandr | make clean helps a lot. |
| 20:04.17 | Jormungandr | or make distclean then make linux then make |
| 20:04.32 | Patlabor221 | wonder if the windows version of the server will work under wine ? :) |
| 20:05.27 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 20:05.32 | Patlabor221 | now that is an assload of text |
| 20:05.41 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 20:05.50 | Patlabor221 | what does it mean? |
| 20:05.54 | Jormungandr | you can -o (man strace) to a file iirc. |
| 20:06.09 | Patlabor221 | it looks like it's dying in net stuff |
| 20:06.14 | Jormungandr | it tracks all the operations of the program. |
| 20:06.15 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 20:06.19 | Patlabor221 | odd |
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| 20:08.45 | Patlabor221 | anyone else want to try it? |
| 20:09.40 | Jormungandr | sure |
| 20:09.52 | Patlabor221 | www.bakadigital.com/bzflagZServerOnly.zip |
| 20:10.44 | Patlabor221 | If I don't work for you, I would need cap, or chestals help to figure out what is crashing |
| 20:12.35 | Jormungandr | compiling. |
| 20:12.49 | bzgirl | Patlabor221: is that the bzfs your compilng? |
| 20:13.25 | Jormungandr | pat.. did it seg right away? |
| 20:13.29 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:13.31 | Patlabor221 | and yeah |
| 20:13.34 | Jormungandr | no seg so far. |
| 20:13.38 | Patlabor221 | well then |
| 20:13.44 | Jormungandr | let me put up dave's map. |
| 20:13.44 | Patlabor221 | it public? |
| 20:13.47 | Jormungandr | and you can test it. |
| 20:13.51 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 20:13.59 | Patlabor221 | add some GMs |
| 20:16.42 | Patlabor221 | wonder if the GPL would let me release it as 2 seperate things, client and server |
| 20:21.21 | larsl | Yes, since you can run any one of them without the other. |
| 20:21.30 | Patlabor221 | then I think I'll do that |
| 20:21.37 | larsl | why? |
| 20:21.38 | Patlabor221 | then I can keep server at same level as CVS |
| 20:21.57 | Patlabor221 | I haven't merged CVS into the changes I made in the client |
| 20:22.10 | larsl | Isn't the client based on the original BZFlag? |
| 20:22.17 | Patlabor221 | and so that people who just want to play can just download what they need |
| 20:22.19 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 20:22.31 | Patlabor221 | but I changed a fair amount |
| 20:22.36 | larsl | Doesn't that mean that you _have_ to release it as GPL? |
| 20:22.42 | Patlabor221 | yeah, and I did |
| 20:22.59 | Patlabor221 | I just wonderd if I could package it as server and client seperate |
| 20:23.04 | larsl | Ah. =) |
| 20:23.39 | Patlabor221 | cus right now they actualy have seperate source bases |
| 20:23.40 | larsl | Two separate derivative works... no problem. =) |
| 20:23.43 | Patlabor221 | since erver is on CVS |
| 20:23.55 | Patlabor221 | and client is on like CVs of a month or 2 ago |
| 20:24.11 | Jormungandr | okay check it out. |
| 20:24.19 | Jormungandr | dragon.org |
| 20:24.22 | Jormungandr | 5555 |
| 20:24.28 | Jormungandr | see if it lists |
| 20:24.30 | Jormungandr | etc |
| 20:25.09 | Patlabor221 | works |
| 20:25.11 | Patlabor221 | shows in list |
| 20:25.30 | Patlabor221 | zip up the new client and post it |
| 20:26.27 | Patlabor221 | sorry let me zip up the new client and post it :) |
| 20:26.28 | Jormungandr | I'll prolly have to work on it more later. |
| 20:26.34 | Jormungandr | the conf file, that is. |
| 20:26.41 | Jormungandr | it's not exactly what he wanted. |
| 20:26.45 | Patlabor221 | well at least you have a server now |
| 20:26.50 | Jormungandr | thanks pat :) |
| 20:27.07 | Jormungandr | maybe I'll try to play later on my linux machine. |
| 20:27.11 | Jormungandr | after I get it built. |
| 20:27.19 | Jormungandr | gunna take a WHILE for the block checks. |
| 20:27.31 | Patlabor221 | I'll post the URLs to the new clients on bzbb |
| 20:28.51 | Jormungandr | cool |
| 20:28.56 | Jormungandr | the linux client compile okay? |
| 20:29.18 | Patlabor221 | well one of them did yes |
| 20:29.29 | Patlabor221 | trying to find what one it was :) |
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| 20:32.23 | Patlabor221 | LOL |
| 20:32.23 | Patlabor221 | http://www.insidemacgames.com/features/view.php?ID=112# |
| 20:32.37 | freelancer | hi all |
| 20:32.49 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 20:32.54 | bzgirl | hi freelancer |
| 20:40.47 | Patlabor221 | how to I make a tarbal again? |
| 20:41.02 | Patlabor221 | tar -gx thefreakindir? |
| 20:41.20 | bzgirl | tar -cvf file |
| 20:41.30 | bzgirl | i think :) |
| 20:41.30 | Patlabor221 | thank you |
| 20:41.46 | bzgirl | actually call it file.tar |
| 20:42.01 | bzgirl | so you know its a tar |
| 20:42.17 | Patlabor221 | how does it know what folder? to do? |
| 20:42.45 | bzgirl | oh |
| 20:42.52 | bzgirl | you have to tell it |
| 20:42.58 | bzgirl | one sec lemme see |
| 20:44.04 | bzgirl | tar -cvvf foo.tar foo/ |
| 20:44.21 | bzgirl | tar contents of folder foo in foo.tar |
| 20:44.43 | Patlabor221 | and Z if I want to gzip it too? |
| 20:45.17 | larsl | Patlabor221: Are you jeffm2501? |
| 20:45.26 | bzgirl | yeah i use -zxvf to decompress, not sure if you can do it the other way |
| 20:45.31 | bzgirl | try it |
| 20:45.33 | Patlabor221 | on ocasion |
| 20:45.45 | larsl | Patlabor221: Thanks for fixing my bug. =) |
| 20:46.25 | Patlabor221 | well it was a waring |
| 20:46.42 | Patlabor221 | hmm -cwfZ just putts all kinds of stuff on the screen |
| 20:46.45 | bzgirl | tar -cvvf foo.tar foo/ ; gzip foo.tar |
| 20:47.12 | bzgirl | its v |
| 20:47.15 | bzgirl | not w |
| 20:47.22 | Patlabor221 | doh |
| 20:47.25 | bzgirl | vv |
| 20:47.29 | bzgirl | very verbose |
| 20:47.59 | larsl | Patlabor221: I get all kinds of warnings when compiling bzflag - must have missed it. |
| 20:49.08 | Patlabor221 | aya it gziped :) |
| 20:49.11 | Patlabor221 | thanks:) |
| 20:49.20 | Patlabor221 | on winders that was the only warning |
| 20:49.56 | larsl | With GCC 3.2 it complains about non-standard header files, unsupported compiler flags etc. |
| 20:50.06 | Patlabor221 | that it does |
| 20:50.20 | Patlabor221 | don't know how you guys see a real warning in there with all that stuff |
| 20:50.47 | larsl | Those are real warnings. =) |
| 20:51.07 | larsl | Do you think it would be OK to fix them? Replace all #include <XXX.h> with #include <XXX>? |
| 20:51.09 | Patlabor221 | then why are they not fixed? |
| 20:51.19 | Patlabor221 | hey I would work fine |
| 20:51.26 | Patlabor221 | Tim's anchent IRIX machine |
| 20:51.26 | larsl | Or would that break compiling on older systems? |
| 20:51.28 | Patlabor221 | it would crap out |
| 20:51.36 | larsl | Ah. |
| 20:59.55 | Patlabor221 | There we go new zero posted |
| 21:00.01 | Patlabor221 | on multiple platfroms even |
| 21:00.13 | Patlabor221 | with the new and improved GM graphics |
| 21:00.56 | Patlabor221 | now If I could just get cap to send me the code he changed for screamers :) |
| 21:01.52 | Patlabor221 | well Time to clean the house |
| 21:04.24 | Patlabor221 | is it bad to find RAM in the kitchen? |
| 21:05.31 | trepan | yes, lol |
| 21:06.42 | Cell | hello ppl |
| 21:08.49 | Cell | when will 1.8 come out? |
| 21:08.57 | Patlabor221 | never |
| 21:09.05 | Cell | oh |
| 21:09.08 | Patlabor221 | more then likeky it will be called 1.9 |
| 21:09.15 | Patlabor221 | based on 1.7 code |
| 21:09.22 | Cell | ah what happend to 1.8? |
| 21:10.01 | Cell | i have to look into the cvs |
| 21:10.54 | larsl | Cell: Remember that 1.8 is still the default branch in CVS. If you want 1.7 you have to choose it manually. |
| 21:11.21 | Cell | where is my tortoise |
| 21:11.48 | Patlabor221 | 1.8 has no new work done on it, only reason it's there is cus it won't move |
| 21:11.55 | Patlabor221 | cus CVS had a problem |
| 21:12.00 | Patlabor221 | and Tim hasn't fixed it yet |
| 21:12.22 | Cell | what will be new on 1.9? |
| 21:13.31 | larsl | All I've heard is that it will be incompatible with older servers/clients. |
| 21:13.49 | Patlabor221 | noone has started on it yet even |
| 21:13.56 | Patlabor221 | 1.7g2 will be the next release |
| 21:14.13 | larsl | I've heard ideas about more complex shapes in worlds, and better collision testing. |
| 21:14.21 | scanline | egads, why don't you people just maintain 1.8 instead of trying to start it over from scratch? |
| 21:15.18 | Patlabor221 | cell it will look exactly like this http://www.bakadigital.com/3DScreamers.zip :) |
| 21:15.52 | scanline | larsl: 1.8 already has a mostly-complete system for much better physics and collision detection |
| 21:16.11 | larsl | scanline: OK. |
| 21:16.23 | scanline | but nobody here cares about 1.8 any more :P |
| 21:16.59 | larsl | Does anyone know why -I/usr/include is given explicitly as a compiler option in config-linux? File name collisions? |
| 21:17.03 | Patlabor221 | it lacked a number of the basic features, and the guy who wrote the new cool stuff left |
| 21:17.33 | scanline | what does that have anything to do with it? |
| 21:18.03 | scanline | instead of writing a ton of new code that's already been written for 1.8, you can concentrate on adding to ane polishing what's already there |
| 21:18.21 | Cell | Patlabor221:what is that zip? |
| 21:20.36 | Cell | 60% |
| 21:21.51 | Patlabor221 | I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but noone was working on it |
| 21:21.55 | Patlabor221 | noone wanted to |
| 21:22.01 | Patlabor221 | and no new features were being put out |
| 21:22.07 | scanline | it's just annoying |
| 21:22.07 | Patlabor221 | so thats what they did |
| 21:22.43 | Patlabor221 | map editor for the XML stuff would have been wierd |
| 21:22.53 | Patlabor221 | shold just go bsp :) |
| 21:23.45 | bzdoug_ | bsp? |
| 21:23.59 | Patlabor221 | binary space partition |
| 21:24.01 | larsl | Server-supplied textures for the buildings would be nice... was that in 1.8? |
| 21:24.08 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 21:24.10 | Cell | yeah bsp we can deal with 2^n polygons in linear time |
| 21:24.23 | bzdoug_ | larsl: patches welcome |
| 21:24.43 | larsl | =) |
| 21:25.34 | Patlabor221 | I think it was an option in the map file but nothing had beeen done to send the images to the client |
| 21:27.32 | Patlabor221 | but you could add that to current maps just as easy |
| 21:27.53 | Cell | Patlabor221: need sdl.dll! |
| 21:30.32 | larsl | Is there a reason for using non-standard headers in some places (bzfio.h) and standard headers in other places (resources.h) ? |
| 21:31.10 | larsl | If not, I'd really like to fix that. |
| 21:31.54 | larsl | Cell: http://www.libsdl.org/ |
| 21:32.23 | Patlabor221 | same URL |
| 21:32.26 | Patlabor221 | SDL.zip |
| 21:32.38 | Patlabor221 | has the DLL |
| 21:32.49 | Patlabor221 | www.bakadigital.com/SDL.zip |
| 21:35.08 | Cell | wow, screamers rocks |
| 21:35.26 | Cell | :) great steering, amazing |
| 21:35.45 | Cell | cool hud |
| 21:37.35 | Cell | and the best menu i ever saw |
| 21:38.31 | Patlabor221 | ohh that menu is crap |
| 21:38.35 | Patlabor221 | just a placeholder |
| 21:38.39 | Cell | no, its so cool |
| 21:38.47 | Patlabor221 | eventualy want to hook pico into it |
| 21:39.03 | Cell | that game has big potential |
| 21:40.28 | Patlabor221 | huh? it's not even a game |
| 21:40.29 | larsl | Patlabor221: bzfls.cxx:716: `struct in_addr' has no member named `S_un' |
| 21:40.51 | Patlabor221 | you in bzfls? |
| 21:40.53 | larsl | Does that mean I need another libc? |
| 21:41.01 | Patlabor221 | what are you building? |
| 21:41.04 | larsl | Patlabor221: That's BZflag 0, btw. |
| 21:41.18 | Patlabor221 | why is it building bzfls |
| 21:41.24 | Patlabor221 | you don't neeed bzfsls |
| 21:41.29 | Patlabor221 | that's the list serv |
| 21:41.31 | larsl | I don't know, I just typed 'make linux', 'make'. |
| 21:41.46 | Patlabor221 | on the server or the client? |
| 21:41.52 | Patlabor221 | and I usualy do a make all |
| 21:42.00 | larsl | The "Linux source code"... |
| 21:42.29 | Patlabor221 | hmm that's client |
| 21:42.58 | larsl | The one on http://asgard.bakadigital.com/zero/. |
| 21:43.05 | Patlabor221 | oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh |
| 21:43.08 | Patlabor221 | yeah that's old man |
| 21:43.11 | larsl | Ah. =) |
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| 21:43.15 | Patlabor221 | that one didn't go very well |
| 21:43.25 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o BZFlag] by ChanServ |
| 21:43.46 | captain_proton | hiya tim |
| 21:43.47 | BZFlag | hey all. /me is in dallas. just signed on a new home. |
| 21:43.48 | mmu_man | :) |
| 21:43.51 | Patlabor221 | you want http://www.bakadigital.com/zero/files/04/BZFlag-Zero04ClientLin.tar.gz |
| 21:43.58 | larsl | Thanks. |
| 21:44.00 | Patlabor221 | wow that was fast tim |
| 21:44.12 | BZFlag | any news? I'll be here all next week, and so kinda out of touch. |
| 21:44.40 | larsl | BZFlag: Is it OK to replace all non-standard headers with standard ones (iostream.h -> iostream etc). |
| 21:44.50 | larsl | BZFlag: I get a lot of warnings about that. |
| 21:46.13 | Patlabor221 | odd, found an LCD projector behind the couch, didn 't know I had one. |
| 21:46.44 | mmu_man | lol |
| 21:46.47 | mmu_man | gimme :) |
| 21:46.54 | BZFlag | http://tcreeks.com/1308_neches_photos.htm |
| 21:47.30 | BZFlag | lars: should be ok. we need to test on mac and irix. |
| 21:47.53 | captain_proton | irix with gcc will work, if we had a config for that |
| 21:48.09 | captain_proton | i think we should abandon MIPSPro support and just require that they install the sgi freeware |
| 21:48.21 | Patlabor221 | nice color |
| 21:48.30 | larsl | BZFlag: There already are standard headers (<vecror> and <string>) in bzflag/resources.h. |
| 21:48.54 | BZFlag | Patlabor221: thanx. ;-) |
| 21:49.23 | BZFlag | lars, yeah. it should be ok. but look for an irix and a mac persone to test it. |
| 21:50.07 | larsl | Before or after commiting it? |
| 21:50.21 | bzdoug_ | ~dict befuddled |
| 21:50.42 | captain_proton | larsl: go ahead and commit, i'll fix irix |
| 21:50.46 | larsl | OK. |
| 21:50.47 | bzdoug_ | BZFlag: pretty house |
| 21:51.13 | BZFlag | lars: either is fine by me as long as you fix it if it does not compile. |
| 21:52.30 | larsl | Another thing: The -fnonnull-objects flag in config-linux. I suppose it's for optimization, but GCC 3.2 doesn't accept it. Should it stay? |
| 21:55.14 | bzdoug_ | hahaha |
| 21:57.26 | [dmp] | The danish post have optimized their servers it seems. If I go to the track'n'trace it works, reload, "techical problems", reload, works, reload, "tehichal problems".. Odd. Well, guess my RAM isnt coming today after all :-\ |
| 21:57.56 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 21:58.15 | Patlabor221 | who said that? |
| 21:58.28 | Patlabor221 | somone want to use crystal? |
| 21:58.47 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: people suggesting we use quake2 on the sf board |
| 21:59.03 | captain_proton | it could be old, i seem to have a day or so delay when it comes to sf stuffins |
| 21:59.06 | Patlabor221 | Q2? |
| 21:59.08 | Patlabor221 | LOL |
| 21:59.30 | Patlabor221 | what would q2 buy us? |
| 21:59.39 | BZFlag | lars: nonull can go now. |
| 21:59.46 | Patlabor221 | be easer to implement our own bsp engine |
| 21:59.53 | captain_proton | bsps don't make sense for bzflag |
| 22:00.11 | captain_proton | octrees make slightly more sense, but still not really |
| 22:00.24 | larsl | BZFlag: OK. That's a lot less warnings for me. =) |
| 22:00.29 | Cell | Pacific Open, Indian Wells where is it? |
| 22:00.55 | BZFlag | lars: I removed it from my setup. ;-) |
| 22:01.58 | captain_proton | shouldn't we have g2 out by now? |
| 22:02.26 | Patlabor221 | cap can you send me the code you un stupified last ngiht? |
| 22:02.35 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 22:02.35 | Patlabor221 | brb gotta move the telly |
| 22:02.58 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: first i gotta get it all working ;-) |
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| 22:03.59 | larsl | Why is /usr/include given explicitly as a header file directory in config-linux? |
| 22:04.01 | captain_proton | and i need to clean up the hack i did to make strupr not have multiple definitions |
| 22:04.49 | BZFlag | captian_proton: well, with the move, new job, etc going on, I have not gotten to it. |
| 22:04.58 | captain_proton | BZFlag: makes sense |
| 22:05.27 | BZFlag | lars: good question. I don't know. I changed the include order, but I left it there. |
| 22:05.46 | bzdoug_ | i.e. lazyness ;) |
| 22:05.53 | BZFlag | sounds right. ;-) |
| 22:06.20 | Patlabor221 | cap yeah it needs inc and lib dirs |
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| 22:06.57 | larsl | So is it OK to remove it? |
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| 22:07.25 | captain_proton | larsl: i would say go for it |
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| 22:12.56 | BZFlag | well, I'm going to take off. more house stuff to do. |
| 22:13.06 | captain_proton | good luck BZFlag |
| 22:13.21 | BZFlag | thanx. ;-) |
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| 22:14.14 | larsl | Include file name changes committed, I might be able to test in on MacOSX on Monday - I'm not sure if the Macs in school have development tools. |
| 22:15.24 | captain_proton | they probably don't |
| 22:15.39 | captain_proton | i can ask an osx fellow i know to test |
| 22:15.47 | larsl | That would be great. |
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| 22:25.15 | larsl | ~xmission |
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