| 00:10.28 | larsl | Sometimes I lose a flag that I've grabbed if I jump to soon after grabbing it, is that a bug or a feature? |
| 00:10.36 | larsl | And if it's a feature, why is it good? |
| 00:24.42 | *** join/#bzflag faz (~faz@M288P014.dipool.highway.telekom.at) |
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| 00:46.31 | [STC]_creeperz | Back |
| 00:47.07 | [STC]_creeperz | Anyone here? |
| 00:47.36 | [STC]_creeperz | ibot, ~welcome? is <reply> YES YOU ARE WELCOME!! COME IN! |
| 00:47.37 | | okay, [STC]_creeperz |
| 00:47.43 | [STC]_creeperz | ~welcome? |
| 00:47.51 | [STC]_creeperz | ~welcome |
| 00:48.37 | [STC]_creeperz | I hate ibot |
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| 01:06.08 | bzgirl | hello |
| 01:09.30 | doughecka | hi |
| 01:09.39 | doughecka | canada... kewl |
| 01:09.55 | doughecka | or would that be: canada eh? |
| 01:10.00 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:10.07 | bzgirl | eh is preffered yes :) |
| 01:10.12 | doughecka | ah, ok |
| 01:17.21 | doughecka | bah, stupid motherboard.... |
| 01:30.51 | doughecka | w00t, windows .net server 2003 |
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| 02:01.30 | jzaun | fiberchunks: u around by any chance? |
| 02:03.32 | patlabor221 | he lives |
| 02:03.51 | patlabor221 | havent' seen him on for a bit |
| 02:03.55 | patlabor221 | how goes it |
| 02:04.11 | jzaun | Good |
| 02:04.20 | jzaun | adding session managment to s.b.o |
| 02:04.27 | patlabor221 | cool |
| 02:04.37 | patlabor221 | thought you were canning it |
| 02:04.42 | jzaun | once thats compleate, a bzc re-write |
| 02:04.59 | patlabor221 | cool |
| 02:05.01 | jzaun | Noodle took over hosting, he and I are updateing it before it goes live again |
| 02:05.11 | patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 02:05.14 | patlabor221 | very cool |
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| 06:16.53 | MrApathyCream | Hey ibots back! |
| 06:23.53 | TimRiker | was he gone? |
| 06:24.21 | TimRiker | or just the net splits. |
| 06:24.29 | MrApathyCream | yesterday |
| 06:25.03 | MrApathyCream | (along with rikers.org) |
| 06:29.56 | TimRiker | yep. cisco 675 overheated or something and locked up. see th 4 hour window in the logs http://list.bzflag.org/ |
| 06:30.47 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:32.54 | MrApathyCream | So i sat down to 'fix' the wrong player reconnect problem, finished, then compared it to yours... virtually identical. What happened with yours that you rolled it back? |
| 06:34.15 | TimRiker | some folks had trouble connecting. I could not see the bug so I reverted. |
| 06:34.30 | TimRiker | after g2 I'll convert to no reconnect code from 1.8 |
| 06:34.46 | TimRiker | playerid -> u8 too. |
| 06:34.59 | TimRiker | observer -> teamid |
| 06:35.01 | MrApathyCream | yah, are you giving up on a fix for g2 then? |
| 06:35.38 | TimRiker | yeah, it does not seem to be the cause of the CLOSE_WAIT and they are happening very infrequently now. |
| 06:36.01 | TimRiker | though the "too fast" kick will likely have to be relaxed. |
| 06:36.18 | TimRiker | xmission is still seeing what appear to be falses from time to time. |
| 06:37.16 | MrApathyCream | bummer, it bothers me that this 'grace period' is so sloppy |
| 06:37.31 | MrApathyCream | One would think you could be more precise |
| 06:37.45 | TimRiker | 396 idle, 39 too fast kicks. |
| 06:38.57 | TimRiker | 9 "too high" kicks. |
| 06:39.07 | MrApathyCream | well that could be e6 problem |
| 06:39.15 | TimRiker | agreed. |
| 06:40.21 | TimRiker | bzfs5155.20030221-02:43:50:kicking Player ROGER [11]: tank too fast (tank: 35.750050, allowed: 25.000000) |
| 06:40.30 | TimRiker | worst gap in the 39 kicks |
| 06:40.40 | MrApathyCream | i guess there's no way to know if the speed kick was while holding a (V) flag or not |
| 06:41.27 | TimRiker | well the server does not think he had V or the allowed would be 37.5 instead of 25.0 |
| 06:41.34 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 06:41.43 | TimRiker | likely he just ad it, or just got it. |
| 06:41.57 | MrApathyCream | what is the speed for (V)? |
| 06:42.21 | TimRiker | don't recall.. the 37.5 is about right. |
| 06:43.00 | MrApathyCream | perhaps kicks should only occur in OnGround or OnBuilding, altho i don't recall that the server presently knows this |
| 06:43.40 | TimRiker | not reliably at present. it calculates something like it someplace, but I don't think it's tracked. |
| 06:43.54 | TimRiker | could just check vz=0 |
| 06:43.57 | MrApathyCream | there is a small chance that you toss the flag going up, and the next positional update is going down, but at the exact same vertical position |
| 06:44.32 | MrApathyCream | in this case, it thinks that you must be on the ground, and thus can't possibly be (V) speed without it |
| 06:44.36 | MrApathyCream | --pretty small chance tho |
| 06:45.01 | TimRiker | vz=0 could work. thoughts? |
| 06:45.17 | MrApathyCream | yes, for g2 it's probably a good idea |
| 06:45.29 | MrApathyCream | we can make it better later |
| 06:45.39 | TimRiker | like to do it? |
| 06:45.41 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 06:46.57 | TimRiker | log a server warning with vz on !=0 and do the kick on vz=0 ? |
| 06:47.26 | MrApathyCream | so if on the ground kick, otherwise log server warning,, ok |
| 06:47.40 | TimRiker | not z. vz |
| 06:47.59 | TimRiker | iv moving up or down, then log, if level, kick. |
| 06:48.04 | TimRiker | s/iv/if/ |
| 06:48.22 | MrApathyCream | oh... i misunderstood |
| 06:48.26 | MrApathyCream | i already do that i think |
| 06:48.36 | MrApathyCream | checking... |
| 06:49.34 | MrApathyCream | yes. already there |
| 06:49.34 | MrApathyCream | // if tank is not driving cannot be sure it didn't toss (V) in flight |
| 06:49.34 | MrApathyCream | // if tank is not alive cannot be sure it didn't just toss (V) |
| 06:49.34 | MrApathyCream | if ((flag[player[t].flag].flag.id == VelocityFlag) |
| 06:49.34 | MrApathyCream | || (player[t].lastState.pos[2] != state.pos[2]) |
| 06:49.34 | MrApathyCream | || ((state.status & PlayerState::Alive) == 0)) |
| 06:49.36 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.38 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.43 | TimRiker | state.velocity[2] does not look to be referenced. |
| 06:49.58 | MrApathyCream | aah, ok |
| 06:50.08 | MrApathyCream | will add |
| 06:50.58 | TimRiker | hmm... (player[t].lastState.pos[2] != state.pos[2]) ought to do the same thing though... |
| 06:51.20 | MrApathyCream | well, except last state could be going up, state could be going down |
| 06:51.29 | MrApathyCream | and just so happen they are equal |
| 06:52.19 | TimRiker | unlikely with floats. |
| 06:52.22 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 06:52.51 | TimRiker | well, I'd say remove that bit, and just log when v[z] != 0 |
| 06:52.57 | TimRiker | then we will get real numbers. |
| 06:53.01 | captain_proton | whats this? |
| 06:53.07 | captain_proton | WHATS THIS? |
| 06:53.08 | captain_proton | WHAT IS THIS? |
| 06:53.10 | captain_proton | BZFLAG TALK? |
| 06:53.14 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:53.38 | TimRiker | probably the same for ((state.status & PlayerState::Alive) == 0) |
| 06:54.31 | TimRiker | ie if ((state.status & PlayerState::Alive) == 0) then log instead of actually kicking. |
| 06:54.44 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 06:54.45 | TimRiker | so the *= only really happens on V |
| 06:59.49 | TimRiker | captain_proton: g2 release thoughts? |
| 07:01.57 | MrApathyCream | TimRiker: you will flood the logs :) |
| 07:03.55 | captain_proton | TimRiker: not particularly |
| 07:04.14 | MrApathyCream | ~fishslap captain_proton |
| 07:04.16 | | ACTION slaps captain_proton up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 07:04.17 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: you think? |
| 07:04.33 | MrApathyCream | any time you toss a flag while in the air |
| 07:04.40 | MrApathyCream | (V) flag that is |
| 07:04.53 | MrApathyCream | ok, maybe not flood |
| 07:04.55 | TimRiker | perhaps. if so we'll cut it down. |
| 07:05.02 | MrApathyCream | ok, i won't *= |
| 07:07.15 | TimRiker | should there be any player updates while you are in the air? |
| 07:07.23 | TimRiker | the check only happen on playerupdate, yes? |
| 07:08.23 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, if i toss the flag in air, i will get several warnings while in the air |
| 07:08.52 | MrApathyCream | (multiple playerupdates while in air |
| 07:10.00 | TimRiker | warning go to the logs, not the player. |
| 07:10.36 | TimRiker | this is just to get a better feel of how to tune the algorithm. |
| 07:10.48 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 07:10.50 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 07:11.35 | TimRiker | what happens if you go [nr] while on the upside of a jump? |
| 07:11.43 | TimRiker | don't clients lang you anyway? |
| 07:11.47 | TimRiker | er land. |
| 07:11.53 | MrApathyCream | no, you float in air |
| 07:12.00 | MrApathyCream | in a bubble |
| 07:12.12 | MrApathyCream | constant z |
| 07:12.26 | TimRiker | hmm. I've seen floating when you are off the edge of a building (ie vz was 0) |
| 07:12.38 | TimRiker | but I don't recall ever seeing it from jumping. |
| 07:14.02 | MrApathyCream | changes in |
| 07:14.39 | TimRiker | testing... |
| 07:20.53 | TimRiker | yep, with slow frame rate I get 2-3 warning per jump-drop with V. |
| 07:21.16 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 07:21.20 | TimRiker | Logging Player Tim [0]: tank too fast (tank: 37.500126, allowed: 25.000000){Dead or v[z] != 0} |
| 07:21.41 | MrApathyCream | expected |
| 07:22.56 | MrApathyCream | i don't see how false kicks could happen tho, now |
| 07:24.02 | TimRiker | I think I'll runn xmission with that for a bit and see what the logs show. |
| 07:24.36 | MrApathyCream | good |
| 07:25.08 | MrApathyCream | lemmee know when it's back up |
| 07:25.21 | MrApathyCream | (maybe do a +f V{20} too) |
| 07:27.52 | TimRiker | it's up now. I left the same options. |
| 07:28.02 | TimRiker | I want to see it in real life. |
| 07:28.11 | MrApathyCream | :) |
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| 07:28.25 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 07:28.35 | ak|ra | re |
| 07:31.18 | TimRiker | kicking Player Horror [7]: tank too fast (tank: 25.027880, allowed: 25.000000) |
| 07:31.47 | TimRiker | need some leway. you removed the +10, perhaps a +5 would be in order? |
| 07:35.57 | MrApathyCream | ah sqred |
| 07:36.00 | MrApathyCream | still 10 is way to much |
| 07:36.37 | TimRiker | did 4 to the sqred value. so 2 really. |
| 07:36.44 | MrApathyCream | ok, that's better |
| 07:37.44 | ak|ra | bye :) |
| 07:37.45 | *** part/#bzflag ak|ra (~mathias@pD95331C9.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:38.34 | TimRiker | Logging Player MrApathyCream [6]: tank too fast (tank: 37.494505, allowed: 25.079872){Dead or v[z] != 0} <- * 4 |
| 07:38.54 | TimRiker | Player MrApathyCream [6] shot origination 30.077194 65.479401 15.344390 too far from tank 32.312679 105.34 |
| 07:38.54 | TimRiker | 5406 0.262412: distance=42.682102 |
| 07:38.57 | TimRiker | on purpose? |
| 07:39.15 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 07:39.15 | MrApathyCream | tossed in air |
| 07:39.30 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 07:39.31 | TimRiker | Player MrApathyCream [6] shot origination 258.107971 93.345329 15.453198 too far from tank 279.104858 128. |
| 07:39.31 | TimRiker | 394470 0.209110: distance=43.608413 |
| 07:40.10 | MrApathyCream | 0 |
| 07:40.17 | MrApathyCream | wow not really close |
| 07:40.56 | TimRiker | deneb.penguinstalon.com keeps connecting and disconnecting. |
| 07:40.59 | MrApathyCream | does shot origination take into consideration dropped (V) |
| 07:41.08 | MrApathyCream | when calculating max distance? |
| 07:41.17 | TimRiker | don't recall. |
| 07:41.24 | MrApathyCream | prolly not, checking |
| 07:42.36 | MrApathyCream | hmm, it dous |
| 07:42.45 | MrApathyCream | it always assumes (V) flag possible movement |
| 07:43.25 | TimRiker | "too far"s range from 41.920534 to 749.196069 |
| 07:44.19 | TimRiker | like 60% are under 60 |
| 07:44.53 | TimRiker | 249.924809 occurs 10 times. odd. |
| 07:45.43 | TimRiker | all from the same player at the same target. ;-) |
| 07:46.09 | MrApathyCream | same player? |
| 07:46.44 | TimRiker | yeah: Player aa [0] shot origination -335.491119 11.756732 1.570000 too far from tank -87.537445 43.044418 0.000000: distance=249.924809 |
| 07:48.52 | TimRiker | probably lag as all 10 shots occur at once. |
| 07:50.46 | TimRiker | Player Fric Frac [2] shot origination -3.276936 -340.822662 31.570000 too far from tank 126.891556 396.760956 13.644688: distance=749.196069 |
| 07:51.20 | TimRiker | now how likely is that? ;-) |
| 07:52.18 | TimRiker | looks like he was sitting on his base and shot from across the board. |
| 07:52.39 | MrApathyCream | he |
| 07:52.41 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:53.27 | TimRiker | be he was surprised when the target did not die. |
| 07:53.31 | TimRiker | er bet |
| 07:56.33 | TimRiker | yep, definite cheaters. many have multiple log entries. |
| 07:57.53 | MrApathyCream | cul |
| 07:58.28 | TimRiker | Player oz [3] has joined from 80.212.213.189:61132 on 13 <- cheater. |
| 07:58.46 | TimRiker | ti132110a080-1469.bb.online.no |
| 07:59.49 | TimRiker | CHRISTOPHER, king of the hill similar. |
| 08:00.31 | TimRiker | what's a .bik ? |
| 08:01.42 | MrApathyCream | shipit ;) |
| 08:01.53 | TimRiker | heh |
| 08:02.52 | MrApathyCream | cvs down? |
| 08:03.18 | TimRiker | not from here. |
| 08:03.19 | MrApathyCream | ssh still up |
| 08:03.29 | TimRiker | ah, I'm on ssh. |
| 08:03.48 | TimRiker | Player MrApathyCream [7] on 17 removed: left |
| 08:03.48 | TimRiker | Player connect time: 174.596848 |
| 08:03.48 | TimRiker | Player messages in: wh:1(4) en:1(176) id:1(4) nr:1(4) oj:1(6) of:1(6) tt:1(6) al:4(28) pu:710(46) og:1(46) pi:16(6) gf:10(48) sb:104(48) gm:9(50) se:7(16) sc:13(16) df:6(16) kl: |
| 08:03.48 | TimRiker | 3(14) mg:1(142) ex:1(4) total:892(39082) max msgs/bytes per second: 20/920 |
| 08:03.48 | TimRiker | Player messages out: wh:1(40) ac:2(8) tu:15(14) fu:197(180) ap:14(188) nr:1(4) mg:13(150) sb:872(48) df:52(76) of:1(48) se:99(76) al:58(76) kl:50(76) sc:100(36) gf:52(76) pi:16( |
| 08:03.50 | TimRiker | 36) rp:2(16) cf:2(16) total:1547(74424) max msgs/bytes per second: 77/6158 |
| 08:04.58 | TimRiker | flagupdate? |
| 08:05.07 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 08:05.23 | MrApathyCream | is that flag flight events? |
| 08:05.44 | TimRiker | in is all grab requests, no? /me checks... |
| 08:06.37 | MrApathyCream | grab is different |
| 08:06.50 | MrApathyCream | (gf) |
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| 08:13.19 | TimRiker | oh. fu is just the server dumping the flag list. |
| 08:13.19 | TimRiker | still that does seem like too many of them. |
| 08:13.19 | TimRiker | hmm. why does out: not show pu: ? |
| 08:13.19 | TimRiker | quiet in here all of a sudden |
| 08:13.19 | TimRiker | hmm. why does out: not show pu: ? |
| 08:14.09 | MrApathyCream | fu, repositions flags i think |
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| 08:16.43 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 08:18.09 | TimRiker | hmm.. counting should happen inside pwrite I expect, instead of directMessage |
| 08:18.49 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 08:19.35 | MrApathyCream | pu is one of the relay messages |
| 08:21.23 | TimRiker | argh... so I've not been looking at relay msgs in the stats. changing. |
| 08:21.40 | MrApathyCream | heh |
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| 08:25.44 | TimRiker | moved. |
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| 08:31.17 | TimRiker | Player @SheepishTim [6] on 13 removed: left |
| 08:31.17 | TimRiker | Player connect time: 74.915672 |
| 08:31.17 | TimRiker | Player messages in: wh:1(4) gw:19(6) en:1(176) id:1(4) nr:1(4) oj:1(6) of:1(6) tt:1(6) og:1(6) mg:2(142) ex:1(4) total:30(614) max msgs/bytes per second: 25/314 |
| 08:31.17 | TimRiker | Player messages out: wh:1(38) gw:19(262) ac:2(4) tu:6(14) fu:107(68) ap:7(188) nr:1(4) mg:6(150) pu:1882(46) se:85(16) of:1(6) gf:11(76) sb:197(48) al:10(36) kl:9(22) sc:18(16) |
| 08:31.18 | TimRiker | df:9(76) gm:129(50) total:2500(120104) max msgs/bytes per second: 75/8458 |
| 08:31.43 | MrApathyCream | better |
| 08:32.11 | TimRiker | I suppose. I'll see what the max msgs/bytes per second: numbers looks like tomorrow under heavy load. |
| 08:32.26 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 08:33.55 | TimRiker | whois 66.62.140.111 ? |
| 08:34.05 | TimRiker | ~nslookup 66.62.140.111 |
| 08:34.33 | TimRiker | it looks like some kinda bot hitting my server every now and then. |
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| 08:36.22 | MrApathyCream | heh, good one? |
| 08:37.22 | TimRiker | connecting and dropping every minute. not appretiated. |
| 08:38.42 | MrApathyCream | well off to bed, dreaming of g2 |
| 08:46.05 | TimRiker | any active bzcops wanna add that ban? |
| 08:49.04 | TimRiker | hmm.. it's noodleroni |
| 08:49.06 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 08:49.18 | TimRiker | ~nslookup bzflag.noodleroni.com |
| 08:49.57 | TimRiker | ahh, so it must be the new stats script. |
| 08:51.12 | TimRiker | every minute is excessive. and it should not touch a server with 0 players on the list. |
| 08:53.39 | TimRiker | need to implement a udp msg that gets all the required bits. |
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| 09:06.24 | doughecka | greetings |
| 09:06.59 | Secret_Hamster | lo |
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| 10:10.29 | Chestal | tag |
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| 12:28.42 | doughecka | greetings |
| 12:49.48 | Jormungandr | ack! |
| 12:49.50 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 12:52.50 | Jormungandr | S.O. works for video dsl product and is on call this week. gets call at 4am "PBS isn't transmitting". It's been in sign-off since 1 AM til 5:30. the tech didn't realize there were channels that actually stopped transmitting in the wee hours. |
| 12:54.05 | Chestal | I'm trying to be awaek at 13:50 |
| 12:54.13 | Jormungandr | chestal :) |
| 12:55.32 | Jormungandr | drinking folger's beans this morning. I was out of "8 o'clock coffee" beans. :( |
| 12:55.56 | jraitala | hello |
| 12:56.07 | Chestal | I don't drink coffee, I survive with tea |
| 12:56.10 | Chestal | hi jrai |
| 12:57.28 | Jormungandr | I love tea, but it doesn't agree with my digestion (except for green tea). I love earl grey and p.g. tips. |
| 13:00.39 | Chestal | next one will be a Darjeeling, hmm |
| 13:04.18 | Jormungandr | mmmmm |
| 13:04.31 | Jormungandr | I love lapsang souchong as well |
| 13:04.45 | Jormungandr | it has a tarry smell, but the flavor is very good. |
| 13:05.21 | Chestal | hmm, I have no idea what that is |
| 13:05.38 | Jormungandr | it's a dark black tea that comes from china. |
| 13:05.58 | Jormungandr | it smells slightly like tar... very high frequency smell. |
| 13:06.10 | Jormungandr | not unpleasant |
| 13:06.23 | Jormungandr | just a little strong smelling, but the flavor isn't too strong. |
| 13:09.10 | Chestal | send some over and I'll give it a try :-) |
| 13:09.19 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 13:09.24 | Jormungandr | where do you live? |
| 13:21.43 | Chestal | Siegen, Germany |
| 13:23.19 | Jormungandr | I lived in the UK for a few years. I miss Europe. |
| 13:25.58 | Chestal | been in the UK only once, in Edinburgh, but thrice in the US |
| 13:26.07 | Jormungandr | where did you go in the US? |
| 13:26.18 | Chestal | but I am glad to tell that Europe is still here, I can see it out of my window ;-) |
| 13:26.32 | Chestal | Chicago, Detroit, Las Vegas+surroundings |
| 13:26.40 | Jormungandr | did you like chicago? |
| 13:26.45 | Chestal | so, I guess I've been in Arizona |
| 13:26.49 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 13:26.51 | Chestal | is Flagstoff in Arizona? |
| 13:26.53 | Jormungandr | vegas is fun |
| 13:26.54 | Jormungandr | yes |
| 13:26.57 | Jormungandr | flagstaff |
| 13:27.03 | Chestal | ah, yes, typo |
| 13:27.14 | Jormungandr | flagstaff is about 1.5 hours from phoenix if you drive fast. |
| 13:27.50 | Chestal | Chicago was my first US trip, I liked it, although it was my first flight whatsoever, had to give a talk on a conference, was quite nervous |
| 13:28.00 | Jormungandr | I used to live in Wisconsin and spent a lot of time in Chicago. |
| 13:28.29 | Jormungandr | what did you have to talk about? |
| 13:28.40 | Chestal | on my las vegas trip I was in Death Valley before and after that I had 3 days, which I used to make a tour, Hoover Dam, Flagstaff, Grand Canyon, Monument Valley, Bryce Canyon, back to Vegas |
| 13:28.56 | Chestal | was a small conference on parallel computing |
| 13:28.57 | Jormungandr | oooh... that sounds like a great trip |
| 13:29.00 | Chestal | I presented a paper |
| 13:29.02 | Jormungandr | I love the grand canyon |
| 13:29.27 | Jormungandr | arizona is a beautiful state. |
| 13:29.29 | Chestal | yes, the Vegas trip was great. Wasnt so fond of Vegas, but the 2 days before the conf and the 3 days after it were fun. Although I was all alone and spent most of the time in my car |
| 13:29.38 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 13:29.45 | Jormungandr | I don't mind that sort of thing |
| 13:29.47 | Chestal | I hadn't planned anything |
| 13:29.57 | Jormungandr | goes well with the monastic lifestyle. |
| 13:30.01 | Chestal | once I nearly went out of fuel |
| 13:30.11 | Jormungandr | ut oh :) |
| 13:30.15 | Chestal | didn't expect the gas stations to be that sparse :-) |
| 13:30.25 | Jormungandr | they can be pretty far apart. |
| 13:30.51 | Jormungandr | I tend to fill up when I get below half full, because you never know where the next filling station is. |
| 13:31.22 | Chestal | I have the habit to fill up at the very latest usually |
| 13:31.32 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 13:31.41 | Jormungandr | I do that when I am only driving in the city. |
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| 13:31.55 | Jormungandr | or if I am sure where the next station is. |
| 13:32.12 | Chestal | had a problem only once, but I coudl persuade my car to make it to the station |
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| 13:32.20 | doughecka | greetings |
| 13:32.23 | yoyo | c |
| 13:32.23 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 13:32.27 | Jormungandr | hi doug |
| 13:33.07 | Chestal | in Detroit I didn't see much, was a very short trip, but I guess Detroit itself is not that pretty anyway |
| 13:33.54 | Jormungandr | detroit is very unattractive |
| 13:34.12 | Jormungandr | dirty, and not very appealing as far as places to visit go. |
| 13:35.11 | Chestal | I was in one big outlet and visited the Chrysler museum. And I learned that it's hard to find your appartment when you forget the street name and number because they all look alike |
| 13:36.34 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 13:36.58 | Chestal | but I had two Italian flatmates who really knew how to make good pasta :-) |
| 13:38.26 | Jormungandr | mmmm. an italian customer of ours sent me some truffle paste, dried porcinis and some porcini oil. |
| 13:38.41 | Jormungandr | I love pasta. |
| 13:38.56 | Chestal | I'm getting hungry |
| 13:38.59 | Jormungandr | I love italian food, in general. |
| 13:39.00 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 13:39.15 | Jormungandr | I have to wait 5 hours before lunch. :) |
| 13:39.16 | Chestal | I think I'll force myself to do some sports now, after that I'll eat |
| 13:39.23 | Jormungandr | good idea. |
| 13:39.31 | Chestal | although it's tempting to eat first |
| 13:39.49 | Jormungandr | breakfast would be nice. |
| 13:39.58 | Chestal | I had two croissants |
| 13:40.15 | Chestal | ~chestal |
| 13:40.16 | | a german gent that enjoys croissants with his pet duck, Tag. |
| 13:40.23 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 13:40.31 | Jormungandr | you have a pet duck? |
| 13:41.10 | Jormungandr | Saint Hugh of Lincoln had a pet goose that followed him everywhere. |
| 13:41.12 | Chestal | no, I only run wmbubble for a CPU monitor |
| 13:41.20 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 13:41.25 | Chestal | it shows memory usage as water level and has an optinal duck |
| 13:41.31 | Jormungandr | hahahahaha |
| 13:41.37 | Jormungandr | sounds cute. |
| 13:41.41 | Chestal | which turns upside down when memory is full :-( |
| 13:41.45 | Jormungandr | :( |
| 13:41.48 | Jormungandr | poor ducky |
| 13:41.51 | Chestal | yep |
| 13:42.03 | Chestal | so I disabled it, couldn't endure to see the poor animal any longer ;-) |
| 13:42.09 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 13:42.54 | doughecka | lol |
| 13:43.08 | Chestal | well, I'm really off now, looks like a bad day for work. Later |
| 13:48.14 | Jormungandr | have a good day. |
| 13:52.04 | doughecka | cool... |
| 13:52.19 | doughecka | Windows Services for Unix 3.0 has all kinds of neat stuff |
| 13:52.37 | doughecka | like make and things |
| 13:53.25 | Jormungandr | what sort of services? |
| 13:53.38 | doughecka | hmm |
| 13:53.58 | doughecka | Base utilities. Provides the Interix subsystem, a powerful, full-featured UNIX environment running as a separate subsystem on the Windows computer. Includes C and Korn shells, plus more than 350 utilities that run on the Interix subsystem. In addition, this component provides Windows-based administrator utilities and UNIX-style commands, plus the Windows-based Cron service for scheduling tasks and the Windows-based Telnet Client. Installing the base utiliti |
| 13:54.13 | doughecka | anbd NFS clients and servers |
| 13:54.22 | Jormungandr | wow scary cool |
| 13:54.22 | Jormungandr | ;) |
| 13:54.35 | doughecka | AND GCC |
| 13:54.36 | doughecka | :) |
| 13:54.50 | Jormungandr | that'd be important |
| 13:55.07 | doughecka | yea... |
| 13:56.30 | doughecka | or is it G++? |
| 13:56.45 | doughecka | both |
| 13:56.45 | doughecka | :) |
| 13:57.21 | doughecka | Microsoft Windows Services for UNIX version 3.0 includes the sendmail package of utilities (version 8.11.6) as part of the base utilities. The primary purpose of including sendmail is to support scripting applications in which e-mail is sent by UNIX scripts that have been built using the tools included in Windows Services for UNIX 3.0. |
| 13:57.29 | doughecka | Microsoft will support the use of sendmail only as an e-mail transport agent and not as a primary e-mail server. If you need an e-mail server, it is recommended that you use Microsoft Exchange Server. |
| 13:57.31 | doughecka | lol |
| 13:58.25 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 13:58.37 | Jormungandr | I wouldn't use sendmail as an incoming smtp server |
| 13:58.46 | doughecka | hehe |
| 13:58.49 | Jormungandr | I use smtpd-sd on one machine and qmail on another. |
| 13:59.00 | doughecka | hmm |
| 13:59.06 | Jormungandr | only because qmail is a pain to set up on dragon.org :) |
| 13:59.11 | doughecka | haha |
| 13:59.33 | Jormungandr | I don't use my ISP for anything but the actual internet connection. |
| 13:59.40 | doughecka | heh |
| 14:00.00 | doughecka | well, my ISP alhosts some websites... |
| 14:00.13 | doughecka | like heckaman.com |
| 14:00.22 | doughecka | so tad@heckaman.com goes to me... |
| 14:00.25 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 14:00.46 | Jormungandr | I've had my own server, and have not used ISP email since about 1995. |
| 14:00.54 | doughecka | we also use hivelocity for heckamangroup.com and a lot of other domains |
| 14:00.56 | doughecka | wow |
| 14:00.59 | Jormungandr | except when I worked for my isp. |
| 14:01.02 | doughecka | heh |
| 14:01.14 | Jormungandr | but I've always gotten mail at mandrake@dragon.org |
| 14:01.17 | Jormungandr | since 1993. |
| 14:01.21 | doughecka | lol |
| 14:01.51 | Jormungandr | eeek |
| 14:01.53 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 14:02.09 | doughecka | directly from MSDN website |
| 14:03.24 | Jormungandr | I added +f CL and +f ST on spirals, to combat the abundance of GM and Laser. |
| 14:03.37 | doughecka | lol |
| 14:04.05 | Jormungandr | I haven't been able to play bzflag in a few days. |
| 14:04.07 | Jormungandr | been too busy. |
| 14:04.38 | doughecka | heh |
| 14:04.51 | doughecka | ooooh, office XP comes with speech stuff |
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| 14:05.58 | Jormungandr | I have a copy of Office XP somewhere, but haven't installed it. |
| 14:06.26 | Jormungandr | I do word processing on my mac most of the time, and I bought office for the mac. |
| 14:06.27 | doughecka | heh |
| 14:06.32 | ak|ra | hi |
| 14:06.33 | doughecka | my dad needs to get office for OS X |
| 14:06.44 | Jormungandr | hi ak|ra |
| 14:07.00 | Jormungandr | it was expensive when I bought it. |
| 14:07.02 | Jormungandr | 400ish |
| 14:07.06 | doughecka | he getting annoyed with having me converting all the documents to RTF so he can read it |
| 14:07.07 | doughecka | wow |
| 14:07.34 | Jormungandr | did he replace his laptop? |
| 14:07.42 | doughecka | nope |
| 14:07.47 | doughecka | not yet... |
| 14:08.16 | doughecka | it was there and it just went poof! and it was gone... it was a really good laptop |
| 14:08.23 | Jormungandr | :/ |
| 14:08.34 | doughecka | :P |
| 14:08.47 | doughecka | at least it wasnt MY laptop |
| 14:09.06 | doughecka | my spectial 133 mhz pentium brick laptop |
| 14:09.09 | doughecka | :P |
| 14:09.21 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 14:09.41 | Jormungandr | I have a pIII 366 laptop |
| 14:09.46 | Jormungandr | it's small. |
| 14:09.46 | doughecka | heh |
| 14:09.49 | Jormungandr | 3 lbs |
| 14:09.51 | doughecka | I have one of those too |
| 14:09.57 | doughecka | compaq armada |
| 14:10.02 | doughecka | both of them are armadas |
| 14:10.04 | Jormungandr | mine is a sharp actius |
| 14:10.07 | doughecka | nice laptops |
| 14:10.11 | Jormungandr | I haven't used it in a long time. |
| 14:10.15 | doughecka | heh |
| 14:10.28 | Jormungandr | well, we use it on the sofa when we see something on TV and want to do a web search. :) |
| 14:10.34 | doughecka | the armadas are company models... they are very slim for there age.. |
| 14:10.38 | doughecka | gaga |
| 14:10.39 | doughecka | haha |
| 14:11.00 | doughecka | cool, it also has hand writing recognition |
| 14:17.29 | MrCooper | which CVS tag for the 1.7g code? |
| 14:19.14 | Jormungandr | it's all 1.7g now.. so v1_7 |
| 14:22.06 | MrCooper | ah, thanks |
| 14:22.15 | MrCooper | I tried v1_7branch |
| 14:22.25 | Jormungandr | :) |
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| 14:29.43 | doughecka | hmm |
| 14:37.56 | Jormungandr | does it require activation? |
| 14:38.19 | doughecka | yah |
| 14:38.26 | doughecka | you have to call in someone |
| 14:38.34 | doughecka | and get the code :( |
| 14:38.37 | Jormungandr | I was just gunna say. |
| 14:58.05 | doughecka | i have allready activated this on one computer.... no need to do it twice |
| 14:58.19 | doughecka | even though my key can work for 10 activations |
| 15:01.53 | Jormungandr | I need to consider an enterprise version of red hat network |
| 15:02.01 | doughecka | heh |
| 15:02.14 | Jormungandr | I have it on 3 computers now. |
| 15:02.23 | doughecka | wow |
| 15:02.30 | Jormungandr | and it will be more eventually. |
| 15:02.34 | doughecka | apt-get update |
| 15:02.37 | doughecka | :) |
| 15:03.07 | Jormungandr | rhn is pretty easy to use. |
| 15:03.19 | doughecka | yea |
| 15:03.32 | doughecka | but its a nag sometimes.. |
| 15:03.34 | doughecka | in my email.. |
| 15:03.40 | doughecka | and I am too lazy to turn it off |
| 15:03.53 | Jormungandr | I don't mind the email. it's important. |
| 15:04.23 | doughecka | yea, unless you dont have a redhat box anymore.. |
| 15:04.25 | doughecka | :) |
| 15:04.38 | doughecka | abd I thought it was for 30 days only |
| 15:08.41 | jzaun | ibot seen noodleman |
| 15:08.42 | | noodleman <~chatzilla@216.228.187.207> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2d 13h 35m 28s ago, saying: 'keep suckin' the crabs!'. |
| 15:13.09 | Jormungandr | if you pay for RHN, it's a year at a time. |
| 15:14.33 | doughecka | ah |
| 15:14.38 | doughecka | 'lo jzaun |
| 15:14.48 | doughecka | 'keep suckin' the crabs!'. |
| 15:14.55 | doughecka | you know what hes talking about? |
| 15:16.18 | doughecka | can you get to http://heck.no-ip.com ? |
| 15:16.57 | doughecka | http://www.artemisgames.com/CrabVsPipe.mpeg |
| 15:17.07 | doughecka | "the pipe allways wins" |
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| 16:09.59 | doughecka | w00t |
| 16:13.09 | doughecka | http://www.cubicmetercrystal.com/janus/hardware/ I want this |
| 16:13.52 | captain_proton | you want a lot of things |
| 16:14.00 | doughecka | I want everything |
| 16:16.16 | doughecka | "Remove wrapper, open mouth, insert muffin, eat." -- Instructions on the packaging for a muffin at a 7-11. |
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| 16:41.14 | Hamster_afk | they forgot chew |
| 16:41.19 | Hamster_afk | and swallow |
| 16:41.59 | captain_proton | DAMNIT EMIL |
| 16:42.02 | captain_proton | WAKE YOUR PASTY ASS UP |
| 16:42.11 | larsl | ~xmission |
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| 16:51.50 | larsl | Quick question about the CVS version - is it supposed to say "Driving with Winner <TANKNAME>" even if the game is CTF? The player on top of the list isn't necessarily in the winning team. |
| 16:53.26 | captain_proton | larsl: i believe so |
| 16:56.34 | Chestal | mayeb 'Winner' is not the best word |
| 17:01.32 | larsl | 'top tank'? |
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| 17:07.00 | [TeA|TrEE] | Hello |
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| 17:18.14 | doughecka | 'lo Patlabor221 |
| 17:20.31 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 17:27.46 | doughecka | cool... I plugged the scanner in, and 30 seconds later I am scanning stuff in photoshop |
| 17:27.51 | doughecka | without any drivers... |
| 17:29.20 | Patlabor221 | that would be twain |
| 17:29.25 | doughecka | heh |
| 17:29.33 | doughecka | even the macs cant do that... |
| 17:29.37 | Patlabor221 | so oyu have drivers |
| 17:29.43 | doughecka | they have to use the scanners special software... |
| 17:29.45 | Patlabor221 | they were just allready on your system |
| 17:29.49 | Patlabor221 | from the OS |
| 17:29.54 | doughecka | yea... but I meant without disks or downloading any drivers |
| 17:31.11 | captain_proton | after mounting the LED we glued pieces of the light gun together - and we managed to burn out this LED :P |
| 17:31.14 | Patlabor221 | note it can be used as a cluebat as well |
| 17:31.23 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:31.24 | Patlabor221 | that fast? |
| 17:31.57 | captain_proton | for some reason the voltage regulator in this circuit wasn't working |
| 17:32.03 | captain_proton | so it got 9v instead of 5 |
| 17:32.11 | Patlabor221 | that would do it |
| 17:32.43 | doughecka | ow |
| 17:32.47 | doughecka | IR LED? |
| 17:32.52 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 17:32.57 | doughecka | I thought they took 3 volts |
| 17:33.14 | captain_proton | these are rated from 2-6 |
| 17:33.21 | doughecka | cool |
| 17:33.31 | captain_proton | and they can do constant 100mA, with burst at 1A |
| 17:33.37 | doughecka | ! |
| 17:33.56 | doughecka | 1 amp! I bet that puts out some heat... |
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| 17:34.52 | captain_proton | thats why its a burst rating |
| 17:35.02 | captain_proton | or else the smoke could get out |
| 17:35.03 | doughecka | 'lo the grand TimRiker |
| 17:35.07 | doughecka | captain_proton: hehe |
| 17:35.24 | doughecka | captain_proton: the "magic" smoke of electronic devices |
| 17:36.07 | Patlabor221 | it's not good when the smoke comes out |
| 17:36.27 | Patlabor221 | unless its one of my special devices that is designed for smoke. |
| 17:36.31 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:41.46 | doughecka | oh thats nice... photoshop gifs crash windows explorer |
| 17:42.00 | TimRiker | sweet |
| 17:42.03 | Patlabor221 | 8 bit or 24 bit? |
| 17:42.09 | Patlabor221 | and what version of PS? |
| 17:42.24 | doughecka | photoshop 7 |
| 17:42.30 | doughecka | and now the gif works |
| 17:42.30 | Patlabor221 | get 7.1 |
| 17:42.39 | Patlabor221 | there are file saving issues in 7.0 |
| 17:42.55 | doughecka | ah |
| 17:43.20 | Patlabor221 | 7.0 won't handle png or tga transpernacy properly ether |
| 17:43.28 | doughecka | ah |
| 17:43.32 | doughecka | TimRiker: now now, be nice |
| 17:43.41 | TimRiker | heh |
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| 17:46.18 | doughecka | bah |
| 17:46.24 | TimRiker | http://direct.idg.co.jp/detail_1.msp?id=801&class=10006&n=2 <- features BZFlag in the gaming section. |
| 17:46.27 | doughecka | outlook is asking for a ldap server |
| 17:46.54 | TimRiker | doughecka: aren't we all. |
| 17:47.04 | doughecka | its stuck in a loop |
| 17:47.10 | TimRiker | doughecka: aren't we all. |
| 17:47.20 | doughecka | huh |
| 17:47.39 | Patlabor221 | ones soul searches for many things |
| 17:48.29 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:48.56 | doughecka | can someone translate gaming section into jap for me? :) |
| 17:49.17 | Patlabor221 | google |
| 17:49.26 | doughecka | google doesnt do jap |
| 17:49.31 | captain_proton | yes it does |
| 17:49.41 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:49.48 | Patlabor221 | http://www.excite.co.jp/world/url/ |
| 17:49.51 | Patlabor221 | that's another |
| 17:50.01 | doughecka | http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en |
| 17:50.59 | doughecka | ????o?ta? µ?sa se 3,083,324,652 se??de? |
| 17:51.30 | Patlabor221 | hit the second radio button, paste the URL and hit the big button |
| 17:51.33 | Patlabor221 | duh |
| 17:51.53 | TimRiker | http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdirect.idg.co.jp%2Fdetail_1.msp%3Fid%3D801%26class%3D10006%26n%3D2&lp=ja_en&tt=url |
| 17:53.35 | doughecka | With the at execution of plan of the command |
| 17:54.30 | doughecka | Power which should the maniac |
| 17:56.30 | [TeA|TrEE] | hello all |
| 18:22.27 | larsl | Something strange just happened on xmission. |
| 18:22.56 | larsl | I shot a player with red flag _under_ the red base, and the game said that he "took his flag into enemy territory". |
| 18:23.09 | larsl | Because the viewpoint goes up when you're shot? |
| 18:23.17 | larsl | Or something else? |
| 18:23.29 | larsl | Under the blue base. Sorry. |
| 18:33.39 | captain_proton | what version were they on? |
| 18:33.49 | captain_proton | if they were using 1.7e2 it doesn't recognize elevated bases |
| 18:52.10 | TimRiker | ~seen noodleman |
| 18:52.11 | | noodleman <~chatzilla@216.228.187.207> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2d 17h 18m 57s ago, saying: 'keep suckin' the crabs!'. |
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| 19:01.49 | larsl | It's current CVS, I think. |
| 19:07.03 | TimRiker | if the "drop" tried to land on the base, it should teleport the flag to the center instead. |
| 19:07.17 | TimRiker | so the client thought it was on the base. odd. |
| 19:14.03 | larsl | And another strange thing happened a while ago - the red flag was standing on the blue base. |
| 19:14.11 | larsl | I don't know how it got there, though. |
| 19:21.37 | TimRiker | http://rikers.org/tmp/BZFlagLinuxWorldJP.png |
| 19:24.45 | *** part/#bzflag [TeA|TrEE] (~Nicholas@pD9E97C0A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:26.00 | Patlabor221 | I like the tabs |
| 19:26.05 | TimRiker | MAC is in the logs. looks like the reviewer is mori and he might have used -solo cause there is a mori01 in there too. |
| 19:26.32 | Patlabor221 | doug should be happy his map and his name is in there :) |
| 19:26.39 | TimRiker | the text is real hard to read even in the original. |
| 19:27.30 | TimRiker | his name? |
| 19:31.59 | Patlabor221 | the boxes that are floatin in the air |
| 19:34.08 | Patlabor221 | to the right of the large platform |
| 19:34.20 | Patlabor221 | they spell DOUG when viewd from above |
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| 19:38.17 | TimRiker | oh yeah! ;-) I was looking in the console text. ;-) |
| 19:44.06 | trepan | anyone know of a windows replacement for realpath()? |
| 19:44.51 | trepan | hmm |
| 19:52.14 | Jormungandr | ~bzflist |
| 20:01.00 | [TeA|TrEE]_ | hello |
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| 20:19.30 | TimRiker | http://www.googlegear.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=101213 < $245 200G, anyone know a cheaper option? |
| 20:29.27 | Jormungandr | that's not too bad, actually. |
| 20:29.58 | Jormungandr | just stay away from IBM Deskstar drives. :( |
| 20:31.38 | larsl | What's wrong with Deskstar? |
| 20:31.52 | Jormungandr | I replaced 2 of them this year. |
| 20:31.57 | Jormungandr | after HARD failures. |
| 20:32.04 | larsl | Ouch, I have two of them. |
| 20:32.41 | Jormungandr | someone told me AFTER I replaced them that they are nicknamed "Deathstar" |
| 20:35.46 | [TeA|TrEE]_ | night night |
| 20:35.59 | Jormungandr | nite teatrea |
| 20:36.03 | Jormungandr | teatree even |
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| 20:54.25 | Jormungandr | I need to find a better alternative to the terrible food truck |
| 20:54.40 | Patlabor221 | food airdrops |
| 20:55.16 | Jormungandr | I need meal thermos thingies. |
| 20:55.27 | Jormungandr | then I could make my own food, and bring it in with me. |
| 20:55.32 | Patlabor221 | yeah those would airdrop well |
| 20:55.36 | *** join/#bzflag ak|ra (~mathias@pD953397E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:55.36 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 20:55.49 | ak|ra | re |
| 20:56.19 | Jormungandr | re |
| 20:56.28 | Jormungandr | ~bzflist |
| 20:56.48 | Jormungandr | I really need to find some more maps and focus on installing them. |
| 20:57.08 | TimRiker | got hix2 ? ;-) |
| 20:57.19 | Jormungandr | hrm |
| 20:57.22 | Jormungandr | hix2 is nice |
| 20:57.24 | Jormungandr | ummm |
| 20:57.27 | Jormungandr | did you fix that flag bug? |
| 20:57.29 | TimRiker | 21 players.. sheesh. bandwidth charts up? |
| 20:58.02 | TimRiker | Jormungandr: yes. made the base watch posts go down to the catwalk base instead of just sitting on top. |
| 20:58.03 | Jormungandr | my bw charts are up, but I have no players online :) |
| 20:58.21 | Jormungandr | is hix2 available anywhere? |
| 20:58.31 | TimRiker | oh, dragon.... No I meant are there any charts for hashmark |
| 20:58.53 | Jormungandr | I don't think so.... at least I haven't seen mention of any. |
| 20:58.54 | TimRiker | hix2 is in the world database on SF (like all good maps should be) |
| 20:59.12 | Jormungandr | okie.. I'll download it and put it on dragon.org later. |
| 20:59.22 | larsl | TimRiker: What flag bug was that? What were the symptoms? |
| 20:59.28 | Jormungandr | hix2 works best with more shots.. maybe I'll put it on secretplace. |
| 20:59.51 | Jormungandr | larsl, you could drop a flag in a place where it couldn't ever be picked up. |
| 21:00.19 | larsl | Jormungandr: Ah. Anywhere on a map, or just in some special places? |
| 21:00.24 | larsl | Jormungandr: I think I've seen that. |
| 21:00.29 | Jormungandr | it was on helix 2 map |
| 21:00.31 | TimRiker | one (well 4) special places. |
| 21:00.45 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 21:00.50 | Jormungandr | that map is totally fun though. |
| 21:01.01 | Jormungandr | so, I think it's going on secretplace later. |
| 21:01.05 | Jormungandr | 10 shots |
| 21:01.10 | TimRiker | cool. |
| 21:01.17 | Jormungandr | dragon.org is my old guy server. |
| 21:01.19 | Jormungandr | 2 shots |
| 21:01.20 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 21:01.34 | Jormungandr | basement is on there now. |
| 21:01.37 | TimRiker | I've got an idea brewing for another ctf map. just need the time to create it. |
| 21:01.39 | Jormungandr | basement is fun. |
| 21:01.54 | TimRiker | basement is fun, but some parts are wierd. |
| 21:02.04 | Jormungandr | I had an idea for a map (ffa) where you are in the monkey cage at the zoo. |
| 21:02.25 | Jormungandr | just gotta make it now :) |
| 21:02.33 | doughecka | hehe |
| 21:02.41 | doughecka | you should make maps for unreal |
| 21:02.46 | doughecka | they have bedrooms and things |
| 21:02.51 | doughecka | whole houses |
| 21:02.56 | doughecka | and you are really tiny |
| 21:02.59 | Jormungandr | also wanna think of some non-symetrical ctf maps. |
| 21:03.00 | doughecka | have to jump around |
| 21:03.08 | doughecka | Jormungandr: hmm |
| 21:03.15 | doughecka | Jormungandr: not many of those |
| 21:04.45 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 21:05.02 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 21:05.11 | doughecka | I got me a nice boom mic |
| 21:05.17 | Jormungandr | cool. |
| 21:05.40 | doughecka | problem is my 2000 pro box that I am doing it on only has 41 megs of ram |
| 21:05.40 | Jormungandr | I don't do a lot of stuff with microphones... although I do make a lot of little imovies. |
| 21:05.47 | Jormungandr | eeek |
| 21:05.48 | doughecka | Jormungandr: hah, switch! |
| 21:05.56 | doughecka | Jormungandr: make your own switch movie |
| 21:06.00 | Jormungandr | that's not happening. |
| 21:06.01 | Jormungandr | oh |
| 21:06.11 | Jormungandr | I could make my own apple switch movie :) |
| 21:06.17 | doughecka | "Yes, I moved from linux to OS X for the purtiness and photoshop" |
| 21:06.24 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 21:07.13 | Jormungandr | hrm... I should shut down secretplace before it gets busy, so I can put helix 2 on it. |
| 21:07.30 | doughecka | heh |
| 21:07.35 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:07.37 | doughecka | 10 shot... |
| 21:07.51 | doughecka | but you have to make sure there is ONLY 1 CTF and FFA on... |
| 21:07.58 | doughecka | people dontlike CTF as much as FFa :) |
| 21:08.33 | larsl | I like CTF. =) |
| 21:08.48 | captain_proton | don't listen to doughecka |
| 21:08.51 | captain_proton | he has no idea what people like |
| 21:09.33 | doughecka | ehm |
| 21:09.44 | doughecka | most people dontlike CTF as much as FFA |
| 21:10.15 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:11.00 | larsl | I used to think that CTF was boring, but now I almost never play FFA. |
| 21:11.09 | doughecka | heh |
| 21:11.10 | larsl | CTF is more strategy. =) |
| 21:11.13 | doughecka | yup |
| 21:11.14 | Jormungandr | what flags should I avoid/set on helix2? |
| 21:11.26 | doughecka | Jormungandr: avoid all the bad flags.... |
| 21:11.26 | doughecka | :P |
| 21:12.07 | Jormungandr | heh NOT ;) |
| 21:12.17 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:12.28 | doughecka | avoid the evil bill gates flag... |
| 21:12.34 | doughecka | but lots of tux flags |
| 21:12.38 | doughecka | apple flags too |
| 21:12.57 | Patlabor221 | that's the prefered developement flag to you |
| 21:13.02 | captain_proton | haha |
| 21:13.19 | captain_proton | doughecka: you don't really use debian |
| 21:13.23 | doughecka | Patlabor221: huh, I hear they got VC++ to run on wine... |
| 21:13.35 | Patlabor221 | why would you want to? |
| 21:13.38 | captain_proton | you just have it installed so you can say "ooh look, i'm not quite such a loser" |
| 21:13.47 | Patlabor221 | just use anjunta |
| 21:13.58 | Patlabor221 | you mean the buggy beta flag |
| 21:14.20 | captain_proton | and its not windows.net anymore |
| 21:14.23 | captain_proton | its win2k3 |
| 21:14.25 | captain_proton | or something |
| 21:15.08 | Patlabor221 | that's funny doug, I didn't think they had a linux version of trillian |
| 21:15.30 | doughecka | Patlabor221: noodleman runs trillian on linux too |
| 21:15.42 | Patlabor221 | how? |
| 21:15.46 | Patlabor221 | vmware? |
| 21:15.48 | doughecka | wine |
| 21:15.53 | doughecka | works pretty good to |
| 21:15.54 | captain_proton | eww |
| 21:15.57 | Patlabor221 | and why? |
| 21:16.01 | captain_proton | why would anyone use trillian in wine?> |
| 21:16.05 | Patlabor221 | gaim does all it does |
| 21:16.21 | doughecka | does gaim do IRC, yahoo, AIM MSN, AND IRC? |
| 21:16.26 | Patlabor221 | whoot, my bz shirt came in :) |
| 21:16.30 | Patlabor221 | yes it does |
| 21:16.33 | Patlabor221 | and more |
| 21:16.38 | Jormungandr | okie... secretplace is up with helix2 |
| 21:16.39 | Patlabor221 | and it TALKS |
| 21:16.45 | doughecka | Patlabor221: sweet, put it on and show us :) |
| 21:17.21 | doughecka | talks? I want voice recognition chat |
| 21:18.04 | Jormungandr | hrm.. gunna kill and restart it. |
| 21:18.51 | Jormungandr | there. |
| 21:19.14 | Jormungandr | took all rogues out and added an extra person per other team. |
| 21:19.33 | Patlabor221 | gaim? that's what I use at home for IM, not here |
| 21:19.34 | doughecka | Jormungandr: cool |
| 21:19.41 | Jormungandr | I'm using gaim at work. |
| 21:19.52 | Patlabor221 | I prefrer a more dedicated irc client tho |
| 21:19.57 | Jormungandr | otherwise I use my sidekick for AOLIM |
| 21:20.09 | Jormungandr | I use epic for irc |
| 21:20.13 | jzaun | gaim is a nice client |
| 21:20.18 | Jormungandr | it's not too bad. |
| 21:20.20 | jzaun | I've used it for some time |
| 21:20.27 | doughecka | jzaun: heh |
| 21:20.28 | Jormungandr | same here. |
| 21:20.33 | jzaun | its nice to have all the chat stuff in once app |
| 21:20.37 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 21:20.39 | Patlabor221 | I will take a picture of my bz shirt |
| 21:20.43 | Jormungandr | I use it for icq and aim |
| 21:20.50 | jzaun | ibot seen noodleman |
| 21:20.51 | | noodleman <~chatzilla@216.228.187.207> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2d 19h 47m 37s ago, saying: 'keep suckin' the crabs!'. |
| 21:21.08 | jzaun | I use it for icq yahoo aim and irc |
| 21:21.15 | Patlabor221 | hmmm tank looks a bit blury on the back, kinda too low res |
| 21:21.29 | doughecka | Patlabor221: is it bad? |
| 21:22.26 | Jormungandr | I've used ircII style client for irc for too long to try trillian or gaim. |
| 21:22.27 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 21:23.44 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/shirt1.png |
| 21:24.00 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/shirt2.png |
| 21:24.34 | doughecka | Patlabor221: cool |
| 21:26.47 | Jormungandr | nice |
| 21:28.00 | Jormungandr | helix 2 is definitely better with 10 shots. it's too easy to score flag captures when it's on 2 shots. |
| 21:28.01 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 21:28.19 | Jormungandr | although... I might stick it on dragon.org with 2 shots later, just to see how it does. |
| 21:28.28 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: your shirt came? coool! |
| 21:28.57 | TimRiker | how's the printing/quality? |
| 21:33.07 | Jormungandr | I'm annoyed. I haven't gotten to play bzflag in days. :( |
| 21:33.20 | Jormungandr | hopefully when I get home today. (1 hour left!) |
| 21:33.42 | TimRiker | back in a few... |
| 21:33.48 | Jormungandr | how goes the admin code, patlabor221? :) |
| 21:37.52 | Jormungandr | doug, you should include descriptions for your spirals version on the sf site. |
| 21:38.48 | Patlabor221 | yeah it did |
| 21:39.10 | Patlabor221 | the quality is as good as all there other shirts, the image needs to be higher res tho, bit blurry |
| 21:39.13 | Patlabor221 | ohh he's gone |
| 21:39.15 | Patlabor221 | poopy |
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| 21:49.18 | Jormungandr | CLONES! ;) |
| 21:50.32 | Patlabor221 | or not |
| 21:51.09 | Patlabor221 | lost power, router went down. did not make it happy |
| 21:51.21 | Jormungandr | ick |
| 21:51.42 | doughecka | haha |
| 22:01.37 | jzaun | has anyone seen really strange callsigns lately? |
| 22:01.53 | Jormungandr | a few wierd ones.. long strings. |
| 22:02.13 | Jormungandr | what have you been seeing? |
| 22:02.18 | doughecka | jzaun: like how strange? |
| 22:02.21 | jzaun | they been getting scores in the 30,000+ range |
| 22:02.28 | doughecka | jzaun: woo, impressive |
| 22:02.36 | Jormungandr | wow |
| 22:02.46 | Jormungandr | something sounds fishy |
| 22:02.49 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 22:02.56 | doughecka | hehe |
| 22:02.56 | Jormungandr | could be some sort of drone thing. |
| 22:03.04 | Patlabor221 | isn't butane a poo-gas? |
| 22:03.16 | Jormungandr | yes, butane is a poo-gas. |
| 22:03.33 | doughecka | Patlabor221: and lighter fluid among other things |
| 22:03.55 | doughecka | this thing can get to 2000 degrees in torch mode |
| 22:03.56 | Patlabor221 | that's an isobutane I think |
| 22:04.06 | Patlabor221 | don't know if that comes from poo |
| 22:04.10 | doughecka | 2374 degrees to be exact |
| 22:04.14 | jzaun | bzfs should accept a callsign with a NULL in the middle of it |
| 22:04.24 | doughecka | jzaun: hm? |
| 22:04.29 | Patlabor221 | that would treminate the strintg |
| 22:04.31 | Patlabor221 | string |
| 22:04.38 | Patlabor221 | so it would not be longer then tthat |
| 22:04.44 | jzaun | its not |
| 22:04.57 | jzaun | http://stats.bzflag.org/new/score.php?scoretype=low |
| 22:05.00 | Patlabor221 | how would you type a "NULL"? |
| 22:05.16 | Patlabor221 | the box? |
| 22:05.19 | Patlabor221 | that's not a null |
| 22:05.32 | Patlabor221 | looks multibyte |
| 22:06.10 | Patlabor221 | it's just a character that has no glyph in the font. |
| 22:06.16 | Patlabor221 | null would be 0 |
| 22:06.23 | jzaun | ok, so bzfs should accept multi=byte :-P |
| 22:06.47 | Patlabor221 | it could be made to not accept antyhing over 128 |
| 22:07.07 | Patlabor221 | but then that may piss off people in other coutnrys I dono |
| 22:07.07 | Jormungandr | that'd be very helpful :) |
| 22:07.36 | doughecka | can you type in strange things like Æ in bzflag? I couldnt.. it woudl crash bzflag |
| 22:08.19 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:08.22 | doughecka | thats purty high |
| 22:08.40 | TimRiker | well if you could it could not display it cause there is no Æ character in the font images. |
| 22:08.49 | Patlabor221 | under 128 aboce 31? |
| 22:08.51 | jzaun | oviously a cheat, but from what I can tell, possibly a cheat server? |
| 22:09.04 | Patlabor221 | above not aboce |
| 22:09.08 | TimRiker | doughecka: where did you see that? |
| 22:09.16 | doughecka | jzaun: what about those servers that say they have 10000 players on it and stuff |
| 22:09.26 | doughecka | TimRiker: stats.bzflag.org |
| 22:09.30 | doughecka | highest scores |
| 22:10.23 | Jormungandr | ~secretplace |
| 22:10.36 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:10.41 | Jormungandr | heh. the regulars are playing helix2 :) |
| 22:11.34 | Jormungandr | lots of green |
| 22:13.37 | TimRiker | ~seen noodleman |
| 22:13.43 | | noodleman <~chatzilla@216.228.187.207> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2d 20h 40m 29s ago, saying: 'keep suckin' the crabs!'. |
| 22:14.21 | larsl | ~seen larsl |
| 22:14.21 | | larsl is currently on #bzflag (5h 34m 27s). Has said a total of 20 messages. Is idling for 0s |
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| 22:19.07 | Patlabor221 | damn I hate that |
| 22:19.30 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 22:19.43 | Jormungandr | fortunately my connections are fairly stable. |
| 22:19.53 | Jormungandr | unless datacenter looses power again. :( |
| 22:20.25 | Patlabor221 | well the electrican is coming tomorow to double our power lines to this room |
| 22:20.30 | Patlabor221 | so that will help |
| 22:20.57 | Jormungandr | datacenter has a bad UPS. they are replacing $10k of batteries tomorrow. |
| 22:21.05 | TimRiker | ~nslookup stats.bzflag.org |
| 22:21.08 | doughecka | wow |
| 22:21.15 | TimRiker | ~nslookup 66.62.140.111 |
| 22:21.16 | Patlabor221 | hmmm there is code that should be striping non printables |
| 22:21.16 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.16 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.16 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.16 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.16 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.18 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.21 | Jormungandr | I hope it fixes it. |
| 22:21.46 | Jormungandr | we lost power twice in the last 2 weeks. |
| 22:21.49 | Patlabor221 | unless isprint disn't working right |
| 22:22.23 | Patlabor221 | we run for a while, then blow a breaker every so often |
| 22:22.37 | Patlabor221 | so the cubes are being split, should be fine. |
| 22:23.03 | *** part/#bzflag ISFry (~Fry@65.168.86.30) |
| 22:23.18 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 22:23.38 | Patlabor221 | anyone know what the "isprint" range is on linux? |
| 22:23.52 | Jormungandr | this is new datacenter that was built a year ago and never actually tested in a live environment. they had opening party, then closed 2 weeks later. |
| 22:24.11 | Patlabor221 | damn |
| 22:24.53 | Patlabor221 | hmm looks like windows will change how isprint works based on the current locale |
| 22:24.58 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 22:25.08 | Patlabor221 | I don't know what lin does |
| 22:25.40 | Jormungandr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.42 | Patlabor221 | but with this if you had a server in a difrent locale it could allow non printables for us in this local |
| 22:25.57 | Jormungandr | or /usr/include/linux/ctype.h |
| 22:26.38 | Jormungandr | the latter is probably what you need. |
| 22:27.10 | Patlabor221 | there now asgard is on a ups |
| 22:27.20 | Patlabor221 | well is there a description? |
| 22:27.38 | Jormungandr | let me look (remember, I don't speak c" |
| 22:27.41 | Patlabor221 | windows does 0x20 to 0x7e by defalut |
| 22:27.56 | Patlabor221 | just any form of plain english descrioption? |
| 22:28.13 | Jormungandr | #define isprint(c) ((__ismask(c)&(_P|_U|_L|_D|_SP)) != 0) |
| 22:28.16 | Jormungandr | whatever that means |
| 22:28.19 | Jormungandr | nope |
| 22:28.20 | Chestal | abend |
| 22:28.22 | Jormungandr | no english |
| 22:30.31 | Jormungandr | heading home. back soonish. |
| 22:30.32 | Jormungandr | & |
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| 22:34.54 | Patlabor221 | good god what does that mean |
| 22:35.24 | Patlabor221 | well maybe it does the same I dono |
| 22:36.10 | Patlabor221 | I don't have ismask |
| 22:43.46 | lampert | ~ducati |
| 22:46.08 | doughecka | huh, the melting point of aluminum must be below 2000 degrees |
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| 23:03.12 | Jormungandr | I thought helix 2 was the big multi-level version of helix |
| 23:03.20 | Jormungandr | this isn't the one I remembered. |
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| 23:51.59 | Chestal | hi cal |
| 23:52.22 | calico | hi |
| 23:52.26 | jraitala | hello |
| 23:52.29 | calico | how you doing tonight |
| 23:52.39 | calico | anyone want a match |
| 23:52.49 | calico | me and dmp are drooling over here |
| 23:53.44 | calico | will we gain points or loose points if we play against ourselves :) |
| 23:54.46 | [dmp] | The winner would gain, the looser loose some points :-) |
| 23:54.59 | jraitala | unfortunately my fellow team members don't seem to be available |
| 23:55.44 | calico | the last match played was when we tied tlz |
| 23:55.47 | calico | sad |
| 23:55.54 | [dmp] | yeah |
| 23:56.07 | [dmp] | HoW is, more or less, the two of us. :-| |
| 23:56.37 | calico | yeah and its a good thing your an insomniac or it would be just me |
| 23:56.42 | calico | n:) |
| 23:56.46 | [dmp] | wonder what happend to rembo.. He used to be active.. Is he still reading to exam? |
| 23:56.47 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 23:56.50 | calico | stupid n |
| 23:57.19 | calico | not sure |
| 23:57.34 | [dmp] | it's not like him.. |
| 23:57.54 | [dmp] | Perhaps TLZ got a hitman? First BB, Strayer and now Rembo.. ug. |
| 23:58.07 | calico | lol |
| 23:58.17 | calico | well they are killing the wrong members |
| 23:58.24 | calico | we are the ones that beat them |
| 23:58.26 | calico | n:) |
| 23:58.28 | [dmp] | they're affraid of us :) |
| 23:59.08 | *** join/#bzflag paul__ ([pfMKvbQS8@hibernia.jakma.org) |
| 23:59.11 | calico | why do you think that the league isnt active |
| 23:59.23 | [dmp] | To few players / active teams |
| 23:59.32 | calico | i think its because theres not enough interest |
| 23:59.34 | calico | yep |
