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00:27.07dougheckahavent seen you play latly eaither
00:27.31captain_protoni played for 20 minutes or so yesterday as "Muffix"
00:27.38dougheckahuh
00:27.47dougheckaI saw you under a diferent name...
00:28.02captain_protonwhat different name would that be?
00:28.17dougheckadunno, something compleatly random
00:28.52captain_protonso what exactly made you think it was me?
00:29.09dougheckayou just said your name was muffix
00:29.29captain_protonand...?
00:29.46dougheckaI put 2 and 2 together and got 5
00:31.08captain_protoni see
00:44.50Patlabor221doug would not want me to put time loging in here
00:45.04doughecka?
00:45.08dougheckawhy not?
00:45.17dougheckaI play over 25 hours a day
00:45.40Patlabor221we are not talking about with yourself
00:45.51dougheckaeh?
00:53.11Patlabor221is spiff just an angry monkey?
01:32.03captain_protoni think so
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01:54.07Patlabor221now to just get it to compile
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02:47.45Jormungandrre
02:47.46Jormungandr:)
02:48.22Patlabor221get em all moved?
02:49.03Jormungandrnod
02:49.05Jormungandrall is well.
02:49.12Jormungandrjust starting bzfs on the 2 boxes now.
02:49.15Patlabor221very cool
02:49.18Jormungandr:)
02:50.00Jormungandrjust let me know when you are ready and I can add acct to secretplace box for you to test stuff.
02:50.21Patlabor221needs to be fully writen first :)
02:50.27Jormungandrnod
02:50.46Patlabor221tho I do have a basic database
02:50.52Patlabor221all the commands are split out
02:50.54Jormungandrcool.
02:51.12Patlabor221and added /register /identify and /SetRights
02:51.16JormungandrI'm all excited now... machines in same datacenter.
02:51.20Jormungandrcool.
02:51.24Patlabor221and loading of default rights
02:51.32Jormungandrthat's pretty far.
02:51.48Patlabor221it's all prety basic
02:52.11Patlabor221I can allready see where there will be issues if you try to run multiple servers from the same database
02:52.39Patlabor221I think the next step will be to make a BZFDB server
02:52.46Jormungandrah.
02:52.47Jormungandrnod
02:52.50Patlabor221that will handle all the database access
02:53.08Jormungandrwe'll run one server per box that has userbase, and put in server description.
02:53.15Patlabor221and that can do what ever it wants on the back end, file acces, SQL, or what ever someone wants to implement
02:53.23Jormungandrnod
02:53.39Patlabor221saves tieing the server to one database technology
02:53.42JormungandrI'm all nervous, waiting to find out what I forgot when I moved. :)
02:53.46Jormungandrtrue.
02:53.57Patlabor221I'm sure it will come and bite you soon.
02:54.18Jormungandrnod.
02:54.31Patlabor221I even got the server to tell you that your premisions were changed if you are online when they change :)
02:54.32JormungandrI already discovered one typo in /etc/named.conf
02:54.44Jormungandroh, col.
02:54.46Jormungandrcool
02:55.03Patlabor221tho it won't read the db from a file yet :)
02:55.06Patlabor221just all in mem
02:55.15Jormungandrheh.
02:55.26Jormungandrbrb...
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07:37.25Jormungandrwhy is it that people join server and find it's 2 shots, THEN complain. didn't they read the bflist entry that said "2 shots"? :)
07:41.51jraitalathe amount of 7-10 shot servers really annoy me. Too many shots pretty much ruin the gameplay
07:42.13JormungandrI run a 2 shot server and a 10 shot one.
07:42.22Jormungandrjust because people like carnage.
07:42.51Jormungandrif there are a small handful of people, 10 shots is okay.
07:43.01Jormungandrif you get above like 10, it's chaos.
07:44.24JormungandrI need to turn off the tk kills the killer thing, and use ratios.
07:44.54Jormungandralso need to set up bad word list :)
07:45.08jraitalaheh
07:45.34Jormungandrstuff for tomorrow, probably.
07:46.00JormungandrI moved dragon.org to new colocation space with other server. I am beat.
07:46.22JormungandrI need to go back tomorrow with rails for the server, to make it more stable.
07:47.13Jormungandrthis time I won't forget electric screwdriver.
07:47.28jraitalawhere is your server located geographically?
07:47.44Jormungandrphoenix, AZ  (actually Tempe, AZ)
07:48.09Jormungandr100mb connection on fiber to backbone
07:49.02jraitalaa bit too far away from .fi
07:49.05Jormungandr:)
07:49.18Jormungandrit's stil probably a fast connection from there.
07:49.23MrApathyCreamfinland?
07:49.23Jormungandrunless you're on a modem :)
07:49.29jraitalayeah
07:49.30Jormungandrhi MAC
07:49.36MrApathyCreamlo
07:49.43MrApathyCreamhmm, early morning?
07:49.43Jormungandryou ran away too fast on dragon.org :)
07:49.50MrApathyCreamwas testing something
07:49.55Jormungandrah.
07:50.24jraitalait's about 0950 here in Finland
07:50.35MrApathyCreamoh, not bad then
07:52.13Jormungandronly thing that didn't come right back up on server was ircd.
07:52.21Jormungandrhad to change c/n lines
08:09.03MrApathyCreamany javascript experts here?
08:10.03JormungandrI prefer city roast over french or italian roast.
08:10.04Jormungandr:)
08:10.17Jormungandroh... script
08:10.19Jormungandr:)
08:10.42MrApathyCream|^3|^
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09:05.19MrApathyCreamman, quiet week!
09:05.29MrApathyCreamreminds me of the good ol' 1.8 days
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11:16.32Chestalcvs is broken
11:30.45Chestalthe readdir functionality probably should go into the platform specific files
11:33.08Chestalbzflag looks funny in 10240x768
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15:36.50Jormungandris bad word list standard cvs now, or is it a patch?
15:39.43M_A_Cstandard
15:40.00Jormungandrcool. how does it work?  :)
15:40.13MrApathyCreamcreate a file with bad words, (one per line)
15:40.20MrApathyCreamspecify it on cmd line like
15:40.27MrApathyCreambzfs -badwords mybadwordsfile.txt
15:40.29JormungandrI wonder if it came out since I last updated it.
15:40.32Jormungandrah. cool.
15:40.35MrApathyCreamprhaps
15:40.50Jormungandrdoes it kick for those words in nick?
15:41.05Jormungandrhandle
15:41.10Jormungandrcallsign
15:47.43MrApathyCreamno callsign handling
15:48.58Jormungandrwow.. cool... but not so cool. :)
15:49.15Jormungandrwhere you live, MAC?
15:49.23MrApathyCreammaryland, USA
15:49.32Jormungandrah.
15:49.38Jormungandrso snow is not too rare.
15:49.55MrApathyCreamno
15:50.01MrApathyCreambut the company deciding to be nice is :)
15:50.14Jormungandrheh
15:50.25Jormungandris it deep snow, or just slippery roads?
15:52.26MrApathyCreamsoso 8 inches
15:52.30MrApathyCreambut all came at rush hour
15:52.35Jormungandrah.
15:52.37Jormungandrack
15:52.41Jormungandrthat'd do it.
15:53.59MrApathyCreamJormungandr: did you update your cvs now?
15:59.33Jormungandrnot yet... still need coffee. :)
16:00.21MrApathyCreamah, good, i posted some code with a unix only section, and would like to make sure it compiles on *nix
16:00.31JormungandrI have a lot to do today on bzflag stuff.  I want to get newest cvs on both servers, and set up bad word lists.
16:00.33Jormungandrcool
16:00.36MrApathyCreami'm a windoz boy
16:00.42JormungandrI'll do that in the next hour, then.
16:00.46MrApathyCreamthanks
16:00.48Jormungandr:)
16:00.50Jormungandrno problem.
16:01.08MrApathyCreamJormungandr: it's in the area of the new Locale menu in GUI Options
16:01.29Jormungandrgui?
16:01.38Jormungandrbzfs has a gui?
16:01.43MrApathyCreamthe GUI Options menu in BZFlag.exe
16:01.46Jormungandrah
16:01.49Jormungandrheh
16:02.00Jormungandrthat means I'm compiling on 3 machine this morning :)
16:02.09MrApathyCreamheh
16:02.14Jormungandr2 servers and my desktop.
16:02.19Jormungandrcool. :)
16:03.00Jormungandrgrinding some beans.. back in a few.
16:03.16MrApathyCreamk
16:08.32Jormungandrdownloading newest cvs on my desktop.
16:09.33MrApathyCreamcul
16:11.20Jormungandrcompiling
16:13.29Jormungandrare you supposed to be able to change the locale?
16:13.42MrApathyCreamyes
16:13.50Jormungandrwhat are the keys to change?
16:13.51MrApathyCreamright arrow?
16:13.55Jormungandrnope.
16:14.01Jormungandrjust says "default"
16:14.06Jormungandrand doesn't change options.
16:14.07MrApathyCreamarg
16:14.23MrApathyCreamthx
16:14.33Jormungandrnp.. I'll be here all day. :)
16:14.42JormungandrI'll keep an eye out on irc if you need me to test again.
16:14.47MrApathyCreamk
16:14.50MrApathyCreamthx
16:16.33Jormungandrnp
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16:22.00dougheckahuh, recalling battery backups because it may overheat
16:22.48dougheckaand explode with a small nuclear explosion
16:23.26MrApathyCreamJormungandr: you do have bzflag_xx.po files in your data\l10n directory correct?
16:29.32Jormungandrchecking
16:29.44Jormungandrnope
16:29.48MrApathyCreamwoowoo!!
16:29.49MrApathyCreamgood
16:29.52Jormungandrweait...
16:29.53Jormungandrhang on..
16:30.19Jormungandrack
16:30.21Jormungandrit is in there
16:30.24JormungandrI was looking in data dir
16:30.28MrApathyCream:(
16:30.29MrApathyCreamheh
16:30.31MrApathyCreamoh well
16:30.37Jormungandr:(
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16:32.25MrApathyCreamJormungandr: can i send you an updated cxx file, and have you rebuild?
16:32.32MrApathyCreamthru dcc?
16:32.45MrApathyCreamPatlabor221: get my mail?
16:32.57MrApathyCream(and my bug report? :)
16:33.42Jormungandryeah... dcc is okay
16:34.38MrApathyCreamput this file in bzflag/src/common
16:34.54MrApathyCreamit should print out to the console, files that it finds
16:37.22Jormungandrmaking
16:37.48Jormungandrhad to sftp it to my desktop :)
16:38.00Jormungandrtook a second, cuz I ftp'd to wrong server. :)
16:38.04MrApathyCreamheh
16:38.13JormungandrI am so used to using dragon.org
16:38.27Patlabor221MAC yes, still going thru morning mail crap :)
16:38.33Jormungandrhi pat :)
16:38.37Patlabor221hi
16:40.18Patlabor221ok that's easy to tweak
16:40.26MrApathyCreamPatlabor221: one of the downsides of sunny CA. You don't get off from work cause of snow, like some
16:40.29Patlabor221the flare is also too transperant I think
16:40.35Patlabor221what is snow?
16:40.39MrApathyCreamhehe
16:40.53Jormungandroooh! MAC, send me a few tablespoons of snow.. that'll cool the coffee.
16:41.27Patlabor221it's windy as hell here today.
16:41.29Jormungandrwhat am I looking for when I run bzflag, now, MAC?
16:41.34Jormungandrack!
16:41.36Jormungandr:)
16:41.41MrApathyCreamint he console, it may dump file names
16:41.44MrApathyCream(of po files)
16:41.47Jormungandryes
16:41.49MrApathyCreamor it might not too
16:42.14MrApathyCreamthat should tell me somthing, if i was quasi-intelligent
16:42.14Jormungandrit's not saying file.po
16:42.27Jormungandrit is saying loading ylaser, etc.
16:42.42MrApathyCreamnot in the message area, on the cmd line
16:43.15JormungandrI think I am confused. ;)
16:43.18Patlabor221MAC BZ never calls the save function
16:43.25Jormungandrwhat/where should I look?
16:43.27MrApathyCream(bring up the GUI Options Menu)
16:43.31Jormungandrokie
16:43.46MrApathyCreamPatlabor221: yes, i assumed that but i like being a pain in th ebutt
16:43.48Jormungandrit's up.
16:44.00Patlabor221I have a normal butt, not an eButt
16:44.13MrApathyCreamok, now on your *nix shell, where you launched bzflag from see if anything got printed out
16:44.34MrApathyCreamPatlabor221: :)
16:44.40Patlabor221and I don't see the bug
16:44.41Patlabor221normalItr = faceNormalItr->begin();
16:44.54Jormungandrloading fixedbr
16:44.56MrApathyCreamhmmm, uhoh, maybe i merged wrong
16:44.58Patlabor221it's inited right there
16:45.02Patlabor221then tested
16:45.07MrApathyCreamok Jormungandr
16:45.08MrApathyCreamthanks
16:45.09Patlabor221then used in a fwrite
16:45.12Patlabor221then inced
16:45.36Patlabor221itr wouldn't work if it wasn't there
16:45.50Jormungandrmmmm java
16:46.36MrApathyCreamhmm, merge problem i guess, sorry
16:47.10Patlabor221no prob
16:47.33MrApathyCreamwas missing this line
16:47.34MrApathyCreamnormalItr = faceNormalItr->begin();
16:47.41Patlabor221that sucks
16:47.44MrApathyCreamdukolax is in rare form
16:48.21Jormungandr:)
16:48.23MrApathyCreamJormungandr: thanks, that says i didn't break it :)
16:49.21Jormungandrcool :)
16:50.06Patlabor221does he live to just sumarize things
16:50.12Patlabor221and do it wrong?
16:50.47MrApathyCreami just want to reach into that avatar and slap him
16:51.24Patlabor221I think he just copied and pasted stuff from my posts in the enhancement board
16:51.28captain_protonhi ho, hi ho, its off to work i go
16:51.57Patlabor221good luck, victory or death and all that
16:52.28Patlabor221what do you do MAC?
16:52.34MrApathyCreamproggy
16:52.37Patlabor221I know dev
16:52.43Patlabor221but of what type?
16:53.15MrApathyCreamc++\java-enterprise project management-server development
16:53.24Patlabor221how fun
16:53.28MrApathyCreamhehe
16:56.55MrApathyCreamPatlabor221: nice /identify idea
16:57.21Patlabor221Jorm helped
16:57.29Patlabor221and it seems to work for IRC
16:57.34MrApathyCreamyup
16:57.36Patlabor221so hey why not give it a go
16:57.47Patlabor221and no busty the protocolly
16:57.51MrApathyCreamyup
16:58.06Jormungandr:)
16:58.12Patlabor221so how much longer do you want the missile?
16:58.12MrApathyCreamnext peeps will will want /msg memoserv SEND PatLabor221 fubar was cheating today
16:58.30Patlabor221that would not be that hard to implement
16:58.44MrApathyCreammmm, I'd say 25% longer
16:58.50MrApathyCream(or so)
17:00.46MrApathyCreamheh
17:01.30Patlabor221who says tar is any better
17:03.11Patlabor221http://www.bakadigital.com/missle.obj
17:03.17Patlabor2211.25x longer
17:03.20Patlabor221in Y only
17:03.22MrApathyCreamcul, checking
17:03.46Patlabor221isn't that easyer then hardcoded models :)
17:03.54MrApathyCreamha-yup
17:05.30Patlabor221gawd I realy want to split up bzfs.cxx now
17:07.49Jormungandrgm is cool when you fire THEN lock
17:07.53Jormungandr:)
17:14.38MrApathyCreamPatlabor221: hmm, somethign is wrong
17:14.48MrApathyCreamit looks like it's using the old texture on the missile
17:14.55MrApathyCream(here)
17:15.00MrApathyCreammaybe i don't have the new texture
17:15.03MrApathyCreamlemmee look
17:15.18Patlabor221did you add the misslehi texture?
17:15.22Patlabor221and are you set to high quality.
17:15.29MrApathyCreamset to high yes
17:15.31MrApathyCreamlooking
17:15.48MrApathyCreamno textures
17:17.23Patlabor221you need missilehi.rgb
17:17.34Patlabor221should have been in the data folder I sent you.
17:18.00MrApathyCreamyes, getting now
17:20.38MrApathyCreamdarn, still busted
17:20.48MrApathyCreamlooking for where it's loade
17:20.48MrApathyCreamd
17:21.01Patlabor221ShotStrat::init
17:21.07MrApathyCreamk
17:23.22MrApathyCreamoops
17:23.25MrApathyCreamheh
17:24.00Jormungandr*sigh* having severe issues with a registrar.
17:24.00MrApathyCreamwill send you another diff file :)
17:24.15Patlabor221did you make a bad?
17:24.18Jormungandrno
17:24.24Jormungandrthey did
17:24.41Patlabor221ohh I meant mac, with the merge :)
17:24.44Jormungandrand they won't respond to 3 emails with "URGENT" in the subject.
17:24.44Jormungandrah
17:25.39MrApathyCreamPatlabor221: i made a bad :)
17:25.47MrApathyCreamPatlabor221: you are an artiste!
17:25.49MrApathyCreamsweet
17:27.59MrApathyCreamyes, that size is perfect i say
17:28.58MrApathyCreamarg sourceforge down, checkign
17:29.56MrApathyCreamah ssh is still up
17:30.32MrApathyCreamthis is sw33t
17:30.42MrApathyCreamthat missile look good
17:30.46MrApathyCreamkudos
17:31.30Patlabor221thanks
17:32.48MrApathyCreamapplying the old missile texture to the new model looked freaky!
17:33.15MrApathyCreamcvs server: [09:32:36] waiting for chestal's lock in /cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/src/platform/MacBZFlag.pbproj
17:33.16Patlabor221that it would
17:33.18Patlabor221since it's animated
17:33.24MrApathyCreamheh
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17:39.13dougheckapsypete!!!
17:39.21psypetedoughecka!!!
17:39.26psypetewho are you???
17:39.31MrApathyCreamChestal: Jormungandr reports that locale menu doesn't work for him... works here, how bout you?
17:39.43Jormungandr:)
17:39.54MrApathyCreamPatlabor221: new diff file on it's way
17:39.55dougheckaI dont know!!!
17:39.57ChestalMAC: works for me
17:40.04psypeteyay!!!
17:40.07MrApathyCreamwith latest?
17:40.08dougheckawoo woo
17:40.11MrApathyCream(today?)
17:40.12psypetehas anyone seen tim today
17:40.20MrApathyCreamtim is in texas
17:40.24psypete:(
17:40.24doughecka~seen timriker
17:40.25timriker <timr@rikers.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 21h 3m 10s ago, saying: 'headed to dallas. back monday.'.
17:40.28dougheckaheh
17:40.36psypete:'(
17:40.46psypeteok, would anyone like to give me some advice?
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17:41.03Patlabor221ok mac,think it's ready for posting?
17:41.05MrApathyCreamshave your head, and paint a bullseye on it
17:41.12psypeteThx.
17:41.13MrApathyCreamPatlabor221: si senior
17:41.22psypeteactually it's about router discovery protocols
17:41.27dougheckaick
17:41.29psypetespecifically, i don't know which one to use
17:41.37MrApathyCreamdoug is the expert there, ask him
17:41.41dougheckaask #routerdiscoveryprotocols
17:41.41jzaunJust a heads up all, my server was hacked yet again and was being used in a DOS attack
17:41.43Patlabor221then I just need to write up a thing for it, and put in the texture and model and zip it up right?
17:41.53dougheckajzaun: congrates
17:41.55Patlabor221again? wow
17:42.05MrApathyCreamPatlabor221: i added the texture and model
17:42.11MrApathyCreamso just need to write up a thingy
17:42.29MrApathyCreams/b there now
17:42.50Patlabor221you zip up?
17:42.54MrApathyCreami zip
17:42.59Patlabor221oooo
17:43.07Patlabor221my mail server be slow
17:43.22jzaunI'de like to day its been fun running the BZFlag site and servers, but I'm takeing them all off line at this point. The IP that cracked it was the same as last time. Once I get the server back up I'll post a page on stats.bzflag.org expailing it all. I just got to much other stuff on that computer and can't be doing this bi-monthly.
17:43.24MrApathyCreamjzaun: where you dos'ing duk?
17:43.48dougheckajzaun: bummer
17:44.06Chestaljzaun: do you know what your vulnerability was?
17:44.07jzaunMAC: not sure yet, have to look threw the logs
17:44.10dougheckajzaun: ask fiberhunks for help securing the server.. :)
17:44.21MrApathyCreamfiberHunks :)
17:44.27doughecka:P
17:44.31jzaunChestal: either pop3, httpd, or bzflag - thats all that was open
17:44.32Patlabor221dougs gota boyfriend.
17:44.41MrApathyCreamsounds like it
17:44.42jzaundoughecka: He helped last time
17:44.45dougheckaah
17:45.52jzaunI really haven't looked at my comps logs, the ISP just called with what info they had
17:46.03dougheckahm
17:46.11dougheckachange ips and domains.. :)
17:46.22jzaunISP is good, I'll have them change my IP
17:46.27dougheckastats.nuazj.com
17:46.32dougheckaheh
17:46.33jzaunthe domain unfortunatly I can't as other sites use it
17:46.37dougheckaoh
17:48.00psypetettyl
17:48.02*** part/#bzflag psypete (~psypete@adsl-155-95-120.mia.bellsouth.net)
17:48.16Chestaljzaun: did they get root access?
17:48.29jzaunChestal: not sure. I go to pickup the box in 20 min.
17:48.40jzaunChestal: as of 2 nights ago, no they did not have root
17:49.01Chestalbecause this would rule out bzfs (assuming you don't run it as root)
17:49.24jzaunit runs as a user bzflag
17:49.30dougheckaheh
17:50.28jzaunChestal: though non of the open services ran as root
17:50.32MrApathyCreamremember am/pm
17:50.39MrApathyCreamer, am/fm :)
17:50.44dougheckahah
17:50.49jzaunhttpd ran as user httpd, bzflag ran as bzflag and pop3 ran as jzaun
17:51.08Chestalhmm, even the main httpd process?
17:51.12Chestaldoesn't it listen on 80?
17:51.14dougheckaSSB, CW, SSTV, RTTY, PACKET, ATV, etc :P
17:51.34jzaunChestal: the main is root, all others are as httpd
17:51.49jzaunno way i know of getting 80 open to a non-root user
17:52.36Patlabor221MAC, you want to host a windows build with the patch installed for the non buildable people?
17:52.47Chestalyes, seems doubtful that the main httpd would be vulnerable though
17:53.23MrApathyCreamyeah, i guess i should
17:53.28jzaunI'll know more once I look at the box itself
17:53.30MrApathyCreamwhen it goes on sf, lemmee know
17:53.44jzaunall I can imagin is them getting a user shell if any shell
17:53.52MrApathyCreamneed to change the installer too, no (add models dir)
17:54.20Patlabor221looks like you missed 3dUtils.cpp in the zip
17:54.24MrApathyCreamarg
17:54.32MrApathyCreamone sec
17:54.43jzaunwell I'm off to go pick it up, catch ya all later
17:54.59Chestalbye jzaun
17:56.29Patlabor221mac I fixed it.
17:56.56MrApathyCreamk
17:57.08Patlabor221anyone want to try the patch?
17:57.41MrApathyCreamchestal would but missiles don't look good against red boxes and blue pyramids
17:58.08MrApathyCream;)
17:58.21Patlabor221he wouldn't see it anyway, he runs in low
17:58.32MrApathyCreamyeah, that's what i mean
17:59.29Patlabor221hell I can send him a GF1
17:59.57MrApathyCreamyour talkin' crazy... that's too fast of an upgrade
18:00.09MrApathyCreamChestal: hom much video ram have you?
18:00.57Patlabor221damnit the patch server won't take a file that large
18:01.07MrApathyCreamreally?
18:01.08Patlabor221File Upload: ArtifactFile: File must be > 20 bytes and < 256000 bytes in length
18:01.24Patlabor221file is:485,825 bytes)
18:01.30MrApathyCreampull the rgb file out, and repost as two files
18:01.30ChestalMAC: office or home?
18:01.47MrApathyCreamdo you have a decent card either place?
18:01.56Chestalg400 at home
18:01.59MrApathyCreamah
18:02.02Chestaland fixed my dri today
18:02.10MrApathyCreamw00t
18:02.25Chestal485kb? what kind of patch is that?
18:02.34MrApathyCreammissiles (has new files)
18:02.40Chestaltextures?
18:02.43Patlabor221ya
18:02.46MrApathyCreamyes, and object models
18:03.51Chestalwe now have directory iterating in two files
18:03.58MrApathyCreamyes
18:04.02Chestalshould be moved to a single file
18:04.04MrApathyCreamprolly should have a platform version
18:04.14MrApathyCreamactually Patlabor221 may have done that
18:04.15Patlabor221I would agree
18:04.22Chestala simple solution migh tbe sufficient where it's all put into a vector
18:04.23Patlabor221I just added OSFIle
18:04.36MrApathyCreamwe should embellish OSFile, assuming patch gets accepted
18:04.44Patlabor221yes
18:04.53Patlabor221I plan on using it for textures
18:04.54MrApathyCreamChestal: vector would be fine
18:05.21Patlabor221OSDir stores all the files in a dir in a vector, and sub dirs
18:05.25MrApathyCreamPatlabor221: btw we are already using std::map, so should be an issue to use it for your admin stuff
18:05.34Patlabor221ohh good
18:05.35Chestalif we'd be able to meet with Tim one of these days, we coudl discuss the things to be doen for g2
18:05.37MrApathyCreampat, with wild card matches
18:05.38MrApathyCream?
18:05.51MrApathyCreamchestal tim is in texax till mon
18:06.12ChestalI'd rather see a real authentication in next big release
18:06.39Patlabor221MAC OS DIR gets all the files, it's up to who ever calls it to sort out what he wants, but there is a simple function to get the extension
18:07.24Patlabor221even without the texture the patch is too big.
18:07.29MrApathyCreamWe should set a time frame for next release to be 'when agreed on stuff is done'
18:07.32Patlabor221I'll just post a link to a URL
18:07.42MrApathyCreamdoesn't mean other things can't go in, just stop when what we want is in
18:08.14MrApathyCreambut, single byte playerid, no reconnect, proto cleanup, etc
18:08.16Chestalcan anyone start a windows traceroute?
18:08.17MrApathyCreamis the mandatories
18:08.21MrApathyCreamyes
18:08.31MrApathyCreamto?
18:08.36Chestalcan you get to paranuss.informatik.uni-siegen.de?
18:09.20MrApathyCreamcan't find host
18:09.30Chestalehm
18:09.35Chestal141.99.131.69
18:09.38Chestalbut it msut resolve
18:10.14dougheckahmm
18:10.16MrApathyCreamworking....
18:10.24MrApathyCreama kazillion hops
18:10.33dougheckaMrApathyCream: you got a exe of the new GM version?
18:10.39MrApathyCreamyes
18:10.53dougheckaonline?
18:10.57MrApathyCreamno
18:11.03ChestalMAC: do you get all the way to the target host?
18:11.04dougheckak
18:11.10MrApathyCreamChestal: no stops at  16   222 ms   245 ms   222 ms  ar-marburg1.g-win.dfn.de [188.1.80.54]
18:11.10MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
18:11.16ChestalMrApathyCream: fest in der Sprache verankert halt
18:11.18Chestaloops
18:11.23MrApathyCreamhehe
18:11.27Jormungandr12  paranuss.informatik.Uni-Siegen.DE (141.99.131.69)  147.621 ms  148.480 ms  146.634 ms
18:11.28Jormungandr:)
18:11.34Chestalthis irc client is too clever
18:11.48ChestalMAC: is this the default tracert.exe?
18:11.53MrApathyCreamTracing route to paranuss.informatik.Uni-Siegen.DE [141.99.131.69]
18:11.53MrApathyCreamover a maximum of 30 hops:
18:11.53MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
18:11.53MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
18:11.53MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
18:11.55MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
18:11.57MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
18:11.59MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
18:12.01MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
18:12.03MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
18:12.05MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
18:12.07MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
18:12.09MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
18:12.11MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
18:12.13MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
18:12.15MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
18:12.17MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
18:12.18dougheckawow
18:12.19MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
18:12.21MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
18:12.21dougheckainsain
18:12.25MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
18:12.27MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
18:12.29MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
18:12.31MrApathyCreamChestal: default tracert
18:12.47ChestalMrApathyCream: interesting, loosk liek it doesn't use the default tracerotue scheme but soemthign liekj ICMP echo requests
18:12.48Chestalhold on
18:13.06Chestalcan you give me your ip?
18:13.13MrApathyCreamsec
18:13.16Chestalso I can setup a filter
18:13.23doughecka~nslookup paranuss.informatik.Uni-Siegen.DE
18:13.50doughecka~nslookup mxfcl4x62.chesco.co
18:13.54dougheckabah
18:14.14Chestalis it that host?
18:14.21Chestalyou start your tr from?
18:14.24MrApathyCreamyes
18:14.40Chestalok, then please traceroute goliath.home.unix-ag.org now
18:14.52doughecka~tracert goliath.home.unix-ag.org
18:14.53*** join/#bzflag [TeA|TrEE] (~Nicholas@pD9E97E20.dip.t-dialin.net)
18:15.03[TeA|TrEE]hohoho
18:15.28MrApathyCreamk
18:16.37MrApathyCreamthat worked
18:16.55doughecka<PROTECTED>
18:16.56doughecka:P
18:16.59Chestalhmm, I didn't see any packet
18:17.09MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
18:17.16ChestalI wanted to sniff what it sends
18:17.22Chestaltcpdump host mxfcl4x62.chesco.com should work, no?
18:17.44MrApathyCreamdunno
18:18.05Chestalhmm
18:18.23Jormungandr-badwords  ?
18:19.10dougheckaChestal: http://www.3rdtech.com/nick/boat/parts.htm for your video card
18:19.32Chestaldough: ehm? my card works fine
18:20.02dougheckaboat. anchor.
18:20.04doughecka:P
18:21.31MrApathyCreamJormungandr: yes
18:21.42Jormungandrquestion... bad word list... will f**k catch motherf**ker, etc. or do I need to make each word?
18:22.05dougheckawould be nice if it did
18:22.24MrApathyCreameach word,
18:22.27Jormungandrah
18:22.31MrApathyCreamsearch time would be exhorbitant
18:22.37dougheckaheh
18:22.37MrApathyCream~spell exhorbitant
18:22.39possible spellings for exhorbitant: exorbitant exorbitantly exorbitance exhibiting cohabitant exhorting exhibited
18:22.49dougheckahow about call signs?
18:23.18Jormungandrman... I can swear like a sailor according to my word list file.
18:23.28dougheckalol
18:26.11Jormungandrwell, that's a good start anyway.
18:28.26Patlabor221so is Tim realy gonna keep in the pyramid colision thing?
18:28.56Jormungandrwhat is pyramid collision?
18:29.14Patlabor221the fact that you colide with them when they are in the air now
18:29.17Patlabor221you used to not
18:30.27Patlabor221many maps were based on fall thru pyramids
18:30.31Patlabor221they are now busted
18:31.01captain_protonno more worky
18:31.17MrApathyCreamthere are workarounds that work
18:31.18Patlabor221you worked for a hour?
18:31.23Chestalhmm, I think I now know why windwos peopel could never traceroute into my university while I always could
18:31.25MrApathyCreamthe yutes today
18:31.33ChestalICMP echo instead of UDP, strange
18:32.00captain_protonPatlabor221: essentially
18:32.10Patlabor221MAC,yes but they are also hacks, I say don't put the feature in, next version add a flag for non colisions, then make a map converter that will set that flag based on the old Z based logic
18:32.24Jormungandrwhat is aggressive, but fair -tkkr?
18:32.25Patlabor221they we don't break then when we fix the next bug for there hack.
18:32.34MrApathyCreamjo 60
18:32.44Jormungandrisn't that high?
18:32.57MrApathyCreamyes but it keeps honest folks in game
18:33.01Jormungandrah.
18:33.03Chestaldrive-though pyramids are a strange concept
18:33.09MrApathyCreamPatlabor221: agreed
18:33.24Chestalit would never have occured to me that it's possible
18:33.28Chestalwhat about shots? same?
18:35.15Patlabor221MAC, lecay stuff sucks, but they didn't know it was a "bug", there is no BZFLAG "this is how it's suposed to work" document.
18:35.49ChestalPat: but common sense woudl dictate that it only worked this way by accident, not by design
18:35.59ChestalPat: at least to the first peopel who did this
18:36.23Patlabor221who's common sense, ours sure, but the users don't see that allways
18:36.25Chestalbut having said that, it could maybe be better to fix this one release later
18:36.43Jormungandrhrm.  load with -badwords and test, and I don't get /kicked.
18:37.06Chestalbadwords doesn't kick, jsut censor AFAIK
18:37.10Patlabor221they may see it as a "cool feature" cus it does for them what they want it to do, these are the people that LOVE shoot thru walls.
18:37.20Chestaluah
18:37.21MrApathyCreamChestal: shots are correct
18:37.43Chestalthose must be the same peopel who adore to have 20 shots
18:37.46MrApathyCreambadwords doesn't kick just filters
18:37.55Jormungandrshould i be able to see the word in my own status window?
18:38.03Patlabor221yeah that would be like all of the munchkin servers
18:38.11MrApathyCreamjo yes, i believe so
18:38.24MrApathyCreami forget tho
18:38.59MrApathyCreamChestal: so you can camp in a pyr and shoot out
18:39.10MrApathyCreamand can't be killed from outside, except sw, etc
18:39.35MrApathyCreamthis effect is still in the game.
18:39.53MrApathyCreamset pyr at position of z=0.5 for instance
18:40.22MrApathyCreamthe only diff, is now if your z is between bottom and top of pyr you collide
18:40.23Chestalthis is a client fix I assume?
18:40.28MrApathyCreamChestal: yes
18:40.34Chestalso new clients have a disadvantage?
18:40.37MrApathyCreamyes
18:40.46Chestalthen I'd suggest to postpoen this fix
18:40.54Chestalput it into 1.8/2.0/wahtever
18:41.05Patlabor221yes, when we know everyone colides with it
18:41.35Patlabor221techinhcaly this makes all old clients "Cheating"
18:41.41Patlabor221since they can go thru stuff.
18:41.49MrApathyCreamyup
18:42.09MrApathyCreami'd just bump g2 to 1.8 now, myself
18:42.32MrApathyCreami don't get all this hesistance to bump the version
18:42.35Patlabor221I don't think they can ever use the 1.8 again
18:42.39ChestalI'd liek to have a g2 release
18:42.53Chestalso I have a version for running a league server
18:42.56Patlabor221callit 1.7.9
18:43.00Patlabor221what is with the letters?
18:43.01MrApathyCreamChestal: it's fine to have a g2, just break protocol, even if for nothing
18:43.11Chestalno
18:43.14Chestalperotocol breakign won't work
18:43.19Chestalfor that purpose
18:43.39MrApathyCreamyou can't find server in 'find server'
18:43.49MrApathyCream(with old client)
18:43.52Patlabor221hell you bump the minor version and you do that
18:43.55Chestalhm, I wonder if ducati 5156 is broken or really full?
18:44.04Chestalsomeoen did a superkill yesterday, after that noone could connect
18:44.21Chestalhad to restart
18:44.24Patlabor221see you need my admin patch when its done :)
18:44.29MrApathyCreamheh
18:44.29Chestalsomethign is still messed up with the fd handling
18:44.39MrApathyCreamyes they don't all close
18:44.51Chestalthis time it jsut seems to be full
18:45.07Chestalalthough I suspect that it lost 1 or 2 slots
18:45.29Chestalurg,m it's messed up
18:45.42ChestalI get straneg messages
18:46.06ChestalI use bzfquery to conect and it dumps several messages about discardign udp packets
18:46.27Chestalah, ok
18:46.31Chestalthis is becasue of buffering
18:46.56Chestal80.230.23.146 is bumping me with udp mesasges
18:48.58MrApathyCreamare we switching to xml worlds next version?
18:49.27MrApathyCreamalso would be nice todo bzfs -world http://www.jzaun.com/dinner4six.xml
18:49.28Chestaldoes it buy us anything?
18:49.47Patlabor221god I hope not
18:49.54Patlabor221I have a new text based world format
18:50.00trepani would like to see macros implemented in the world format
18:50.08MrApathyCreamWell, 1.8 had xml worlds, and there was lots of push for it
18:50.11Patlabor221mactos that do what?
18:50.12MrApathyCreamI don't care about it.
18:50.25ChestalI'm not very interested in worlds anyway
18:50.29MrApathyCreamhehe
18:50.37trepanmake a macro of a shape, and then be able to re-use it
18:50.38Patlabor221the XML worlds would have been a bitch to edit
18:50.38Chestalbut the curent format is simpel and can be edited manually
18:50.45Patlabor221ohh groups
18:50.46trepanya, groups
18:50.48Patlabor221yes my format supports that.
18:51.10Chestal5156 lost two slots
18:51.10MrApathyCreami'd definitely like to have named objects that can be referenced by names and transformed
18:51.16Patlabor221tho that could realy be an editor feature, not a map format feature
18:51.19trepancan I take a look at your format?
18:51.30MrApathyCreamPatlabor221: i disagree. I want to make hand edited maps
18:51.33MrApathyCreamand use this feature
18:52.01trepani do my maps by hand
18:52.11MrApathyCreamwould be nice to offload the downloading of worlds/textures/sounds from BZFS
18:52.14Patlabor221USE THE COMPUTER :)
18:52.15Patlabor221http://www.artemisgames.com/bza/Images/SimpleWorld.txt
18:52.20trepanmaybe I could write a little m4 script, and hide the macros in the comments
18:52.21Patlabor221that is an older format
18:52.38Patlabor221comments arn't sent to the client
18:52.38MrApathyCreamthus bzfs -world http://...
18:52.49Jormungandrthat is a good idea.
18:53.01MrApathyCreamxml is extensible to.
18:53.10Patlabor221yes but it's a bitch to write
18:53.13Jormungandr:)
18:53.14Patlabor221even with computers
18:53.14MrApathyCreamsometimes you can extend the proto without breaking proto
18:53.15trepanno they aren't, but you'd run the script to generate a 'bzw' from a 'map' or something
18:53.32MrApathyCreamPatlabor221: why are they hard to write?
18:53.33Jormungandrmaybe do a map conversion util that converts from current version to xml?
18:53.53Chestalxml is hardly human-parsable
18:53.55Patlabor221wayy to much overhead, and lots of little things you have to do to put your info in there
18:53.58Patlabor221yes
18:54.11MrApathyCreamlike i said, i don't really care...
18:54.14Chestalcmapre Makefiles and Ant files for example
18:54.17Patlabor221if you send that text based, the maps will be hella larger then they should be
18:54.21MrApathyCreamyes
18:54.38MrApathyCreamanother issue is that folks prolly like binary formats, so that maps can't be 'stolen'
18:54.45Patlabor221you have to put your own stuff in the XML anyway what does the format give you?
18:54.54Patlabor221just overhead realy
18:55.02MrApathyCreamwell, extensibility without breaking format
18:55.18Patlabor221not realy you still have to support those extensions on the other end
18:55.25MrApathyCreami can add an attribute to an element, and if you don't understand it, it doesn't really matter
18:55.31Patlabor221it's not like BZ will realy read any of the normal XLM types,
18:55.41Patlabor221my format allready does that
18:55.51Patlabor221it skipps info it dosn't know about
18:55.55Patlabor221that's a simple thing
18:55.55trepanmaps have to look the same to everyone
18:56.17MrApathyCreamthing is tho, people know xml. don't know http://www.artemisgames.com/bza/Images/SimpleWorld.txt
18:56.29MrApathyCreamcourse, the same could be said for bzw
18:56.34Patlabor221you still have to teach them the BZ ents to put into the XML
18:56.42Patlabor221so I don't see the difrece
18:56.46MrApathyCreamand there are free parsers for them
18:57.00[TeA|TrEE]~ducati6
18:57.09[TeA|TrEE]hmm?
18:57.10Patlabor221it's overkill
18:57.16MrApathyCreamcould be
18:57.18[TeA|TrEE]ha
18:57.40Patlabor221I agree a more extensible format would be better, and there are better ideas then XML
18:57.56Patlabor221my format was made to be very simiar to current BZ format
18:58.00Patlabor221just more exensible
18:58.10Patlabor221hell just make it all a BZP
18:58.15Patlabor221BSP
18:58.25Patlabor221then you have nothing to worry about.
18:58.30Patlabor221no more ojbects
18:58.50Patlabor221noone bitches about not having "this" shape
18:58.59Patlabor221but then it turns into quake.
18:59.04ChestalI wonder who is sendign me all those unwatned UDP packets and why
18:59.15Chestalusually happens when someone gets kicked from server, but only for a sec or so
18:59.15MrApathyCreambbiab
19:01.21Jormungandrwell, badwordlist implemented on dragon.org and bzflag.secretplace.us, and updated to newest cvs.
19:01.44JormungandrI should post the servers on the server forum on stats.bzflag.org
19:02.21Patlabor221but she is down
19:02.31Jormungandrwhat's down?
19:02.36Patlabor221stats
19:02.37Jormungandrstats?
19:02.41Jormungandrwhy for?
19:02.42Patlabor221yah
19:02.50Patlabor221got hzxord
19:02.58Jormungandrack!
19:03.09Patlabor221someone got in and was using it for DOS atacks
19:03.15Jormungandr:(
19:03.33Jormungandrhas anyone been testing bzfs for security issues?
19:03.41Patlabor221I don't think so
19:04.35JormungandrI don't know much about buffer overflow stuff, so I wouldn't know how to test.
19:04.52Jormungandrbut it is a concern, especially if I am using it on my live servers.
19:31.10Jormungandris there a list of bzcops?
19:31.29Patlabor221there may have been on stats
19:31.32Jormungandrah
19:31.39Jormungandrany ETA on fix?
19:31.52Patlabor221the cops are basicly totaly up to jzuan
19:32.00Patlabor221he said he didn't know
19:32.08Jormungandrokie.
19:32.25JormungandrI was going to get a list, and give my password to the ones that I knew from in here.
19:32.51Patlabor221there arn't many cops that hang out here
19:32.57Jormungandrwith the understanding that they don't follow regular bzcop rules of booting people who are mean to them, etc.
19:33.08Jormungandr:)
19:33.39JormungandrI should prolly just wait til our idea becomes a reality. :)
19:33.55JormungandrI've got 2 guys who help me out now besides the 3 here at the house.
19:33.57Patlabor221I hope to work more on it tomrow
19:34.04Patlabor221don't have to work tomorow
19:34.08Jormungandrcool
19:34.13Jormungandrtoday is my sunday :)
19:34.22Patlabor221I allways work on sundays
19:34.27Jormungandrme, to
19:34.33JormungandrI have thur-fri off.
19:34.52Jormungandrhopefully soon to go to 4x10 hour shifts.
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19:50.23Garglo
19:50.59[TeA|TrEE]~ducati6
19:51.21[TeA|TrEE]~ducatictf
19:51.24Gargi have a verbal functional analysis test in 2 weeks and i dont have a clue what it is about. Anybody can tell me how to pass the testß
19:51.49dougheckathat has what to do with bzflag?
19:52.20Garglot of
19:52.26dougheckauh huh
19:52.31Gargevery game needs math
19:52.49dougheckathen learn it
19:52.52hardwirehmm
19:52.59dougheckahey hardwire
19:53.09hardwiremy father and friends keep sending me job opporitunities at HP
19:53.12Gargdoughecka: could you learn it for me?
19:53.15hardwireI am a little insulted
19:53.18hardwireI make more than they do
19:53.21dougheckaGarg: nope
19:53.27dougheckahardwire: haha
19:53.39hardwirethey think cause I am self employed that I am jobless
19:53.40hardwireheh
19:53.50dougheckahah
19:54.13Garggurgel
19:54.25Garggullet
19:55.05hardwiregullet?
19:55.11pharynx_insectyep
19:56.17pharynx_insecti think bzflag needs an opening cut
19:56.41pharynx_insectthat makes it posiible to embedd the geometry into a 2d plane
19:57.54pharynx_insect~diff(grad(x^2+y^2))
19:59.03hardwirepython speed of mathmatical .. thingers..
19:59.04hardwireblah
19:59.33pharynx_insectyeah
19:59.39dougheckasilly glare
20:00.00pharynx_insect~3>2
20:00.06dougheckaslow is the best for reflecting light into the room
20:00.13dougheckasnow*
20:00.22pharynx_insectright
20:00.32pharynx_insectgot lot of it here
20:01.05pharynx_insect~hoppe
20:01.16pharynx_insectdead?
20:01.41hardwiredrawing from map data stored in sqlite database
20:01.45hardwirePolys 173 Lines 19066 7.800 seconds
20:01.51WOPRwould-you-like-to-play-a-nice-game-of-chess?
20:01.55hardwirethats pretty slow :(
20:02.16pharynx_insectWOPR uses a checc prog
20:02.22pharynx_insectchess
20:02.35bzdougtic-tac-toe
20:02.55pharynx_insectwhats thata?
20:03.10Patlabor221hit alt+ f4 and find out
20:03.17bzdougyea
20:03.19pharynx_insectoh, k
20:03.21bzdougits "secret"
20:03.29Patlabor221built into all IRC clients
20:03.33pharynx_insectAlt Gr
20:03.36bzdougalso ctrl-alt-delete is built into windows
20:03.41pharynx_insectyeah
20:03.46pharynx_insectthanks
20:03.49bzdouggreat game
20:04.12pharynx_insectdoes not work for me :(
20:04.20Patlabor221better then that stupid clone bot game
20:04.36bzdougclone bot game?
20:04.46bzdougcan you clone bots?
20:04.47Patlabor221cell knows
20:05.12Patlabor221doug reember what we said about if you don't know, don't comment?
20:05.35bzdougI dint know about that
20:06.08pharynx_insect~regexp for float
20:06.56pharynx_insect~x en jp agriculture
20:07.06Patlabor221cell, go away
20:07.07pharynx_insectkewl, righty
20:07.24bzdoug~part #bzflag
20:07.40pharynx_insecti want to be a bzcop
20:07.47bzdougno you dont
20:07.57Patlabor221pernatly you just have to ask doug, he hands them out to anyone
20:08.00pharynx_insectyour friend isn any more doug
20:08.34bzdougyou part #bzflag
20:08.55pharynx_insectwhy?
20:09.12bzdougyour not supposed to ask why
20:09.53Patlabor221riiiight cus jedi powers are run off electricity
20:09.54pharynx_insectis dragoslav drugbush here?
20:10.30bzdougPatlabor221: my light saber melted my battery collection
20:11.00pharynx_insectthe strongest waepon is yourself like in DBZ
20:11.34bzdougImpossibile trovare la pagina
20:12.55pharynx_insecti want my file trash bucket to grow if it gets fuller
20:13.20Patlabor221then get to hacking your OS
20:13.26pharynx_insectand i want that a car comes and empties it
20:13.39Patlabor221I'm sure you can do all that in C# right?
20:13.45pharynx_insectright
20:13.57pharynx_insectbut lazy
20:14.06Patlabor221then sudddap
20:14.27pharynx_insectmota
20:14.41Patlabor221bakane
20:14.52bzdougbaka
20:15.51pharynx_insecthow do i tell a kid that 3 > 2 -> true ?
20:16.04bzdougit isnt
20:16.12pharynx_insecthm, thought so
20:16.34Patlabor221doug baka
20:16.35pharynx_insectwhy is not  c > b ?
20:16.50bzdougB is Bigger
20:16.51Patlabor2213 is > then 2
20:16.54bzdougC is Cmaller
20:16.54pharynx_insectwhat info is neede to say smth is >
20:17.44bzdougheh
20:17.51[TeA|TrEE]~ducatictf
20:17.55pharynx_insectputtylabor221:noo you cant do taht
20:17.59[TeA|TrEE]~ducati6
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20:18.22pharynx_insecthi
20:19.11ak|rahi
20:19.15bzdoughi
20:19.26pharynx_insectak|ra: Puttylabor221 said that you do not behave child conforme and that you can be banned for that cause this channel is g-rated!!!
20:20.00ak|rawhat?
20:20.03Patlabor221hey
20:20.25ak|rawhat?
20:20.27Patlabor221probalby just cell being an idiot again
20:20.33pharynx_insecti mean you should not use some words in your language
20:20.47bzdouglike ignore?
20:20.57ak|rawhat?
20:21.10Patlabor221who?
20:21.13bzdougmoin!
20:21.17pharynx_insectyes its confusing, but thiat is the situation
20:21.17scanlinefeh
20:21.23Patlabor221cookies!!!!!
20:21.25ak|radont confuse me with stupid bullshit .. all of you
20:21.28ak|rahi bomber
20:21.34bzdougquack mr scanline
20:21.36ak|rawas that you yesterday .. the aztec god?
20:21.57Chestalhi akira
20:22.26ak|rahi Chestal
20:22.34bzdoughi
20:23.14pharynx_insectlol, captain_praton did not pass the last exam
20:24.46[TeA|TrEE]01,9912www.dr-pepper.de 0101,99
20:24.50pharynx_insectand was banned to bzflag slavary forever
20:27.20pharynx_insecthorrible
20:28.04nasal_insectlo
20:28.31nasal_insect~putty
20:28.32i guess putty is a GPLed ssh/scp for win32 http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
20:30.53nasal_insect[TeA|TrEE]: You tell me how to close hat Xp looking webpage or i liligate you!
20:32.23nasal_insectass
20:34.01nasal_insect++ick u
20:36.31nasal_insectthe crap dhtml menu does not work right, sad cheap prog performance, i puke on [TeA|TrEE]
20:36.41[TeA|TrEE]hmm?
20:36.58[TeA|TrEE]not my site
20:37.03nasal_insectits still open
20:37.16[TeA|TrEE]buttom left
20:37.21[TeA|TrEE]shut down X
20:37.25[TeA|TrEE]the X again
20:37.39[TeA|TrEE]turn off
20:37.42bzdougor push the power button
20:37.46nasal_insectturn off does not work only cancel
20:37.46[TeA|TrEE]yeahj
20:37.48bzdougthats a fast shutdown
20:37.59bzdougpress control alt delete
20:38.09[TeA|TrEE]lol
20:38.14Patlabor221doug that just brings up the task manager baka boy
20:38.34bzdoughmm, I thought he was using linux
20:38.42Patlabor221who?
20:39.16bzdougmr slime nose
20:39.38Patlabor221cell? I don't think he could get it installed
20:39.40Patlabor221he's to lazy
20:39.48bzdouglol
20:40.38Patlabor221and his precous c# woudln't work on it
20:41.27Patlabor221or his pig screwing game
20:44.14nasal_insectputtylabor is an ass hehehe
20:44.55nasal_insectarse ass
20:45.02Patlabor221better an ass then to be like you.
20:45.15scanlinecell, why do you even bother being in this channel?
20:45.20nasal_insectoh so im not on you ignore list any more, :)
20:45.28nasal_insectsee
20:45.32Patlabor221cus he's a greefer
20:45.41bzdoug~dict greefer
20:45.55nasal_insectsee
20:46.00scanlineI accidentally cleared my ignore list
20:46.07Chestalgreefer, n., someone who greefs
20:46.15Patlabor221ibot is not the end all be all of lookup tools doug
20:46.15Patlabor221: are you using Windows?
20:46.19bzdoug~dict greef
20:46.19nasal_insecti meant Patlabor221's ignore list
20:46.22Patlabor221sometimes it's best to sue your brain
20:46.34bzdoughuh
20:46.37Patlabor221I never said I put yuo on ingnore
20:46.43Patlabor221I just said I updated the list.
20:47.04nasal_insectah, let me interpret that sentence
20:47.08bzdougah, the twisted web we weave
20:47.25Patlabor221we don't weave a web
20:47.32bzdoughuh
20:47.33Patlabor221we just have a flood monkey
20:47.38bzdougah
20:47.47Patlabor221who has been warned by net admin even
20:47.59bzdoughmm, dunno
20:48.02Patlabor221I don't see why Tim removed the ban
20:48.21bzdoug~ban nasal_insect
20:48.22nasal_insectcause he knows he needs my inspiration for bzflags
20:48.34nasal_insectas he said patches welcome
20:48.35Patlabor221no I think it's cus he thought you were k-lined
20:48.40nasal_insecti send him one
20:48.55Patlabor221what did you send him? I dom't see it on sourceforge?
20:49.11nasal_insectoh its a personal one, he gotta love it
20:49.15Patlabor221actualy I've never seen ANYTHING you have wrote
20:49.20Patlabor221just pictures made in MAX.
20:49.25nasal_insectain diff form like he wants it
20:49.36nasal_insectso he can compile and play it immidiately
20:49.51nasal_insectoh he had my ceat ode diff too
20:50.18Patlabor221I'll bet you just stole that from someone else and put your name on it.
20:50.34nasal_insectim not you putty
20:51.07Patlabor221yes this is true, and I'm glad you are not me, I write code.
20:51.38nasal_insectand i write code that is special
20:51.52captain_protonspecial?
20:52.10bzdougnon gpl
20:52.14nasal_insectyep, it makes things go round for me
20:52.51captain_protonblah
20:52.53*** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*@*.dip.t-dialin.net] by captain_proton
20:52.53*** kick/#bzflag [nasal_insect!~jupiter@aden2-23-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU] by captain_proton (captain_proton)
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20:53.48rooterChestal: You asked me to tell you if I have counter troubles again to tell you
20:54.46rooteris anybody here?
20:55.10Patlabor221thank you cap
20:55.50captain_protonnow its time for class
20:55.57Patlabor221have fun
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21:00.50SpacemanSpiffAre any of you admins on the xmission server???
21:01.23SpacemanSpiffWe need some help over there... a purple teamkiller going by the callsign "CEDRIC"... he will NOT stop teamkilling
21:02.20SpacemanSpiff*sigh* I guess you guys can't help then. :( C-ya
21:02.30Patlabor221I think that's Tims server
21:02.44Patlabor221well /register and /identify are working
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21:22.04dougheckagreetings
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22:32.10jzaunfiberchunks: Are you around?
22:34.30fiberchunksyah
22:34.42jzauncool
22:34.50jzaungot some questions for you
22:35.17jzaunwhy would something showup in my firewall logs if the source and destination IPs are both not mine?
22:37.43jzaunThe destination IPs are strange too (255.255.255.255 and 205.201.58.255)
22:37.53jzaunthought they were not valid IPs
22:38.31fiberchunksdunno, why do you ask?
22:38.49jzaunbecause they are all threw my logs
22:39.45dougheckahe got hacked
22:39.45doughecka:P
22:40.10jzaundoughecka: keep laughin, it will happen to you some day
22:40.21dougheckaheh
22:40.28dougheckanot with my super secure XP box
22:40.36dougheckait will NEVER get hacked
22:40.43doughecka:P
22:41.36jzaunI think the destination addesses 255.255.255.255 are brodcasts over the network?
22:41.51dougheckaI thought that was 255.255.255.0
22:41.55dougheckawas broadcasts
22:43.20jzauncould be, all I really know is 255.255.255.255 and 201.205.58.255 are netmasks, but they are in my log files as destination IPs
22:43.29dougheckahmm
22:43.31dougheckainteresting
22:43.41dougheckamaybe they wanted to attack the whole ip range
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22:44.07jzaunwho knows, but I still want to figure out what they are
22:44.14Patlabor221doug, I don't think they need your comments
22:44.19Patlabor221how did they get in
22:44.20jzaunthere are 30-40 entries per day
22:44.20SpacemanSpiffing..... is [TeA|TrEe] banned from this channel? He seems to think that he is
22:44.48Patlabor221no here is the ban list
22:44.49Patlabor221,player[t].team
22:44.49fiberchunksnot sure what that is jz --
22:44.50dougheckaPatlabor221: huh, its called chatting...
22:44.52Patlabor221opps
22:45.03jzaunPatlabor221 I can't see any evidance that anyone got in, or that my computer was used at all
22:45.11Patlabor221odd
22:45.16SpacemanSpiffWhat's wrong????
22:45.19Patlabor221but it's sending out DOS atacjs
22:45.22jzaunI'm logged in threw it as we speak and there is no traffic coming from it
22:45.28Patlabor221tea was on today. didnt' say much tho
22:45.45SpacemanSpiffI've obviously missed something. Not more hacker troubles I hope?
22:46.09Patlabor221jzaun, perhaps the logs were altered
22:46.12jzaunPatlabor221: so says my ISP - they said I was send UDP packes to port 53 of one of their servers
22:46.32fiberchunksDNS
22:46.40jzaunfrom what they said I flooded them rather good
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22:47.07fiberchunksodd
22:47.29Patlabor221odd that it dosn't show in the log
22:47.42SpacemanSpiffTeA says that he's getting a "Banned" message when he tries to join
22:47.46jzaunthey said they were getting 1-2 a sec. before they pulled me off the network
22:47.53fiberchunkshrm
22:47.55dougheckapahriviteye
22:48.16Patlabor221spiff, look at the ban list, see if he's in it.
22:48.23SpacemanSpiffHow do I do that? LoL
22:48.33Patlabor221what's his host?
22:48.42SpacemanSpiffI don't fiddle with IRC much.. I useually just come to ask questions. :-)
22:48.44jzaunThe onlything I can think of is my bzflag script... it would have to do a DNS lookup for each server, correct? and I connect repeatedly
22:49.20Patlabor221oo does look like cap baned everyone on dip.t.dialin.net
22:49.23Patlabor221or something like that
22:49.37Patlabor221is tea in germany?
22:49.38dougheckalol
22:49.40dougheckayup
22:49.43SpacemanSpiffYes
22:49.59Patlabor221cap banned the entire subdomain CELL uses
22:50.01Patlabor221cus he's an ass
22:50.11dougheckabanned other people too
22:50.16Patlabor221have to get him to narrow it down
22:50.36SpacemanSpiffUhhh... can't TeA get back in?? It's not his fault that he is in the same subdomain :P
22:50.41Patlabor221trye
22:50.47Patlabor221have to wait for an op to get back tho
22:51.05SpacemanSpiffOkie doke
22:54.56fiberchunksperhaps it's your script -- I don't see how apache or bzfs would send out repeated DNS queries
22:55.18fiberchunksI can't remember what other services you're running
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22:57.04jzaunbzfs https pop3 mysql
22:57.36dougheckano ssh?
22:57.44dougheckahow do you login remotely?
22:57.51jzauneh sshd too
22:58.05dougheckahmm, ftp?
22:58.10dougheckaor is that it?
22:58.11doughecka:)
22:58.39jzaunnope no ftp
22:58.45dougheckak
22:59.43SpacemanSpiffWell, I'm off peoples. C-ya
23:11.21jzaunah well, at least I know I wasn't rooted, I'll work on the rest of it tomarrow
23:11.33dougheckaheh
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23:20.02prot-worki think tea got zinged in the cell ban
23:20.03prot-work:)
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23:27.09Patlabor221yes he did
23:28.24dougheckaand all other people in europe
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23:29.04sn0w_m0nkeywhy is cell and insect using cheats on servers?
23:29.16sn0w_m0nkeyirc.hashmark server
23:29.44dougheckacell and insect are the same person
23:29.50sn0w_m0nkeydoes anyone have admin to that server here?
23:29.57dougheckahah
23:30.02doughecka~hashmark
23:30.04sn0w_m0nkeyi don't care, but his cheat is bullshit
23:30.13sn0w_m0nkeyand he stopped this i thought
23:30.31dougheckahe got banned
23:30.43dougheckafrom #bzflag
23:31.04sn0w_m0nkeyhe did?
23:31.12sn0w_m0nkeyso now he is using his cheat again
23:31.12dougheckayup
23:31.16Patlabor221update the servers to CVS and his cheat is pointless
23:31.16dougheckaI guess so
23:31.21sn0w_m0nkeyits the same one as before
23:31.22dougheckahehe
23:31.28sn0w_m0nkeywith a teleporter function
23:31.46dougheckasn0w_m0nkey: hmm?
23:31.49dougheckahows it work?
23:31.52sn0w_m0nkeyunfortunately i have no access to this server
23:32.08sn0w_m0nkeyhe was teleporting around...with no teleporter
23:32.20dougheckahmm
23:32.22sn0w_m0nkeystibnite is the admin there?
23:33.17dougheckadunno
23:33.19Patlabor221well his high speed and fast shots will get him autokicked on cvs
23:34.40sn0w_m0nkeyman
23:34.40dougheckaheh
23:34.54sn0w_m0nkeythis game....
23:36.00sn0w_m0nkeyhave a good weekend #bzflag
23:36.56dougheckalol
23:44.21stibniteyeah
23:44.22stibnitewhat's up?
23:44.26stibniteheh
23:44.28dougheckacheater
23:44.34stibniteno i'm not an admin here, sorry wrong window
23:44.39dougheckaoh
23:44.42doughecka:P
23:44.44dougheckahaha
23:44.51stibnitetwo channels named bzflag, one irc client == mass confusion
23:45.13stibnitethe mass in question being my head
23:47.11dougheckalol
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