| 00:00.01 | stibnite | Bill Murray is the opposite of Chevy Chase. |
| 00:02.52 | Patlabor221 | that he is |
| 00:03.00 | Patlabor221 | and they were both in caddy shack :) |
| 00:04.41 | sussudio | nothing like a messageboard to bring out the assholes..... |
| 00:04.42 | stibnite | hehe |
| 00:05.13 | stibnite | sussudio: also good for that is a proctologist |
| 00:05.13 | Patlabor221 | I thought that's where they were born? |
| 00:06.34 | stibnite | does anybody have an alternative anoncvs repo for bzflag? |
| 00:13.25 | Patlabor221 | I don't think anyone keeps one up |
| 00:22.37 | Patlabor221 | lets see, 3 fins or 4 fins on the new GM missle? |
| 00:24.39 | jzaun | 5 |
| 00:24.49 | Patlabor221 | seems a bit excesive |
| 00:24.58 | Patlabor221 | or make it a cow? |
| 00:25.15 | jzaun | 4 in the back, 1 in the from (smaller on top) |
| 00:25.40 | Patlabor221 | usualy you don't put just one on |
| 00:25.43 | Patlabor221 | but I can see |
| 00:25.54 | Patlabor221 | perhaps 3 in back and 2 in front |
| 00:26.58 | Patlabor221 | I could put fins on a caw |
| 00:27.00 | Patlabor221 | cow |
| 00:39.07 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 00:44.18 | Patlabor221 | or the atomic battle beaver. |
| 00:44.24 | Patlabor221 | lazer guided of course. |
| 00:51.40 | stibnite | anoncvs won't be back until the fifteenth at the earliest!! |
| 00:51.44 | stibnite | :( |
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| 01:12.19 | stibnite | oh man totally locked out. They even closed anoncvs access from shell.sf.net :( |
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| 01:15.45 | Patlabor221 | till tomorow? |
| 01:15.51 | stibnite | at the earliest |
| 01:16.26 | stibnite | wife will be home in 30 min anyway. i won't get anything done when she gets here, anyhow. :D |
| 01:20.56 | michaelh20 | what does FileFindClose do in particular ? |
| 01:21.00 | michaelh20 | :) |
| 01:21.13 | MrApathyCream | closes the handle |
| 01:21.23 | michaelh20 | so.. resource leak if you don't do it ? |
| 01:21.30 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 01:22.16 | michaelh20 | PLaying around with microsquash c++ |
| 01:22.53 | michaelh20 | Easy to make apps that are completely un-portable |
| 01:23.20 | michaelh20 | relatively speaking |
| 01:24.33 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 01:26.09 | Patlabor221 | just like VB and C# |
| 01:26.52 | Patlabor221 | MAC, GM replacement, 3 fins? 4 fins? or cow? |
| 01:27.18 | michaelh20 | Well those more so |
| 01:27.31 | Patlabor221 | or cow with fins? |
| 01:27.45 | michaelh20 | Microsquash doesn't *own* C++ unlike VB and C# |
| 01:28.10 | Patlabor221 | but they do own the MFC api your' proalby using |
| 01:28.15 | michaelh20 | sure do |
| 01:28.33 | Patlabor221 | you could use ATL and make it more portable |
| 01:28.49 | Patlabor221 | there techincaly is a X11 MFC implementaion. |
| 01:28.50 | michaelh20 | same/ different thing that STL ? |
| 01:29.10 | michaelh20 | I am actually using the STL as much as I can |
| 01:29.11 | Patlabor221 | very difrent |
| 01:29.19 | Patlabor221 | MFC handles interface |
| 01:29.33 | Patlabor221 | STL is for all kinds of other stuff |
| 01:29.34 | michaelh20 | wind up having to go back to c_str() etc... to go back to mfc :) |
| 01:29.37 | Patlabor221 | and mega portable |
| 01:30.00 | michaelh20 | I don't microsoft bothered to make STL strings work with their stuff |
| 01:30.16 | Patlabor221 | CStrings are the MFC str |
| 01:30.23 | Patlabor221 | and they did make the work together |
| 01:30.33 | Patlabor221 | I do wish std::string had a format method tho |
| 01:30.37 | Patlabor221 | make life easyer |
| 01:30.42 | Patlabor221 | less uses of string streams |
| 01:31.05 | MrApathyCream | 3 fins |
| 01:31.08 | michaelh20 | so that can prevent buffer over run ? |
| 01:31.20 | michaelh20 | like char buffer [80]... |
| 01:31.23 | Patlabor221 | ok MAC. Cow with 3 fins comin up |
| 01:31.36 | Patlabor221 | no so I can replace sprintf |
| 01:31.52 | michaelh20 | hmmm |
| 01:32.14 | Patlabor221 | "piche la vash??" |
| 01:32.24 | michaelh20 | They should have multiple models ... |
| 01:32.48 | Patlabor221 | it will be an external model, so it can be replaced on each users system |
| 01:32.52 | Patlabor221 | if they so wish |
| 01:32.54 | michaelh20 | I got my bots to say random things when they get blown up |
| 01:33.03 | michaelh20 | not very hard to do I know.. but still fun |
| 01:33.14 | Patlabor221 | like "son of a motherless goat" |
| 01:33.26 | michaelh20 | more like Manic robot kinds of things |
| 01:33.31 | michaelh20 | "I hate being a robot" |
| 01:33.43 | michaelh20 | "Ack I've been blown up!" |
| 01:34.14 | michaelh20 | they randomly say nothing at all, makes it a bit more realistic... |
| 01:34.57 | michaelh20 | the AI for the bots is cryptic to read.. at least for me |
| 01:35.12 | michaelh20 | hardly work at all on a custom map |
| 01:35.12 | Patlabor221 | It's more AS as it is now |
| 01:37.51 | Patlabor221 | MAC, one missle per shot, or multiple? :) |
| 01:38.19 | Patlabor221 | can make it look like a swarm is tracking the player:) |
| 01:48.41 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/missile.png |
| 01:49.06 | Patlabor221 | very low poly, very simple one. |
| 01:54.48 | scanline | wow, texture discontinuities :) |
| 01:55.32 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 01:55.41 | Patlabor221 | just a crap map on it |
| 01:55.49 | Patlabor221 | redoing it now with more polys |
| 02:03.51 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/missile2.png |
| 02:03.58 | Patlabor221 | no texture on this one yet |
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| 02:12.04 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: one missile per shot |
| 02:13.31 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: nice |
| 02:14.08 | MrApathyCream | Need to put 'Ass Kicker' down the shaft of it, or something similar |
| 02:14.18 | MrApathyCream | would be cool to read, as you get blowed up |
| 02:14.20 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 02:14.51 | Patlabor221 | "do not point at face" |
| 02:15.01 | bryjen | ...... "if you can read this, you're dead." ..... |
| 02:15.10 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 02:15.42 | Patlabor221 | ask me to show my dekstop, hope they got some bandwith :) |
| 02:15.59 | MrApathyCream | is that silly or what |
| 02:16.04 | MrApathyCream | and of course look he jumps in |
| 02:16.35 | Patlabor221 | actualy it can be funny sometimes |
| 02:16.39 | Patlabor221 | like. this :) |
| 02:19.45 | Patlabor221 | there that should get em |
| 02:20.00 | MrApathyCream | like this one: http://www.bakadigital.com/missle2.png |
| 02:20.16 | Patlabor221 | yes I do too |
| 02:20.27 | MrApathyCream | 'windowmaker' ? |
| 02:20.29 | Patlabor221 | I will work in it when I get home from DnD |
| 02:20.46 | MrApathyCream | DragNDrop? Dungeon's N Dragons? |
| 02:20.56 | Patlabor221 | the later |
| 02:21.11 | Patlabor221 | ohh my desktop has a curse word in it, oh well |
| 02:21.17 | Patlabor221 | better then the other image |
| 02:21.19 | MrApathyCream | this will really be sw33t |
| 02:21.21 | stibnite | http://bzbb.homelinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=280 <-- server details posted for bzflag.hashmark.net |
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| 03:45.28 | stibnite | hehe |
| 03:45.32 | stibnite | that tickles |
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| 04:04.24 | KnightMare | Whats new my brotha's... |
| 04:05.27 | KnightMare | really? wow! |
| 04:05.32 | KnightMare | ok, gotta run |
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| 05:57.27 | protonioAuGratin | heyas MrApathyCream |
| 05:59.58 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 06:03.27 | protonioAuGratin | its a beauty |
| 06:03.52 | protonioAuGratin | the world format is now a little python script |
| 06:03.54 | MrApathyCream | w00t |
| 06:04.04 | scanline | for bzflag? |
| 06:04.08 | scanline | python worlds? |
| 06:04.11 | scanline | =) |
| 06:04.12 | protonioAuGratin | scanline: of course for bzflag! |
| 06:04.24 | scanline | but... bzflag + python... my head hurts |
| 06:04.25 | protonioAuGratin | i just need to finish up the build system! |
| 06:04.47 | scanline | does it use boost? :) |
| 06:05.00 | protonioAuGratin | it uses boost TWO POINT OH |
| 06:05.08 | scanline | wow! |
| 06:05.26 | MrApathyCream | protonioAuGratin: make sure you take into account scanline's new font rendering system |
| 06:05.41 | protonioAuGratin | MrApathyCream: already taken into account |
| 06:05.59 | scanline | yay, now we can have unicode worlds and python nicknames! |
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| 06:12.47 | Jormungandr | moving platforms?! |
| 06:13.00 | MrApathyCream | protonioAuGratin: is working on box and pyramids that move |
| 06:13.09 | Jormungandr | wow |
| 06:13.14 | MrApathyCream | escalators, etc |
| 06:13.21 | Jormungandr | totally cool. |
| 06:13.22 | MrApathyCream | it looks really l33t |
| 06:13.29 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 06:13.33 | MrApathyCream | expect check in anydaynow |
| 06:13.49 | scanline | yay for vaporware |
| 06:13.56 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 06:14.03 | MrApathyCream | that's why he's been so quiet lately |
| 06:16.08 | MrApathyCream | Did Riker ever finish eating dinner? |
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| 06:16.23 | Patlabor221 | I think sometime aroudn 3 am last night |
| 06:17.28 | Jormie | Well, I think this perl script is stable enough for me to irc srom sidekick. |
| 06:17.55 | Jormie | s/from/from |
| 06:18.03 | Jormie | Srom |
| 06:18.11 | Jormie | Can't type :) |
| 06:18.37 | Jormie | This thing also auto caps first words. |
| 06:19.29 | Patlabor221 | that's nice of it |
| 06:20.15 | Jormie | Yup. Sometimes it is annoying, like when typing urls in AIM or email. |
| 06:20.21 | Patlabor221 | ha |
| 06:20.37 | Jormie | :) |
| 06:21.02 | vaporium | Patlabor221: your desktop is too large |
| 06:21.17 | vaporium | *smack* |
| 06:21.33 | Patlabor221 | I think it's too small actulay |
| 06:21.40 | Patlabor221 | only 108 DPI |
| 06:21.46 | Patlabor221 | would prefre 120 |
| 06:21.59 | Jormie | How big is you desktop, pat? |
| 06:22.32 | Patlabor221 | 1600x1200 x 2 |
| 06:22.43 | Jormie | :) |
| 06:22.50 | Patlabor221 | so not that bad |
| 06:22.59 | scanline | vaporium: might find one at computer liquidators :) |
| 06:23.07 | vaporium | scanline: a dell p1110? |
| 06:23.11 | Jormie | 1280x1024 is all my old eyes can handle |
| 06:23.13 | scanline | mmm.. who knows |
| 06:23.28 | scanline | Jormie: that's just because you don't use a scalable UI |
| 06:23.44 | Patlabor221 | scan, I'll send you this nano swiching 21 if you want to pay shiping and fix it :) |
| 06:23.53 | scanline | haha |
| 06:23.55 | Jormie | Osx is pretty scaleable |
| 06:24.11 | scanline | Jormie: not as much as Fresco |
| 06:24.23 | scanline | OS X is still entirely bitmap based, it just scales the bitmaps |
| 06:24.26 | Jormie | Fresco? |
| 06:24.32 | scanline | http://fresco.org |
| 06:25.10 | scanline | Patlabor221: I saw some pretty cheap 19" and 21" monitors on ebay, but the shipping was astronomical |
| 06:25.19 | Patlabor221 | yeah they are heavy |
| 06:25.35 | Patlabor221 | I realy need to see what's wrong with this 21 |
| 06:25.40 | Patlabor221 | it's soo nice when it works |
| 06:25.54 | Patlabor221 | tho it's like 50+ lbs |
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| 06:27.03 | vaporium | there are some p1110s on ebay for about 230 apiece, 60-70 shipping |
| 06:27.13 | Jormie | While I am fairly patient, waiting for something like a windowing system to get stable might test my limits. :) |
| 06:27.27 | scanline | vaporium: how are they different from any other 21" Trinitron? |
| 06:27.36 | scanline | What I really want is a Mitsubishi Diamondpro |
| 06:27.52 | vaporium | scanline: well the nicest thing is they're flat ('tis the kind i have) |
| 06:28.01 | vaporium | and it would look really nice having two of the same sitting next to each other |
| 06:28.09 | scanline | hmm, true |
| 06:28.19 | scanline | but all the Trinitrons are flat, or at least all the recent ones |
| 06:28.40 | Patlabor221 | depends on what type of trini. |
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| 06:28.43 | scanline | my dad has a 19" diamondpro.. it's really super clear |
| 06:29.01 | Jormungandr | well, at least that's stable now. |
| 06:29.08 | Patlabor221 | I have the dell 19 flat trinis in a couple of places, theya re nice |
| 06:29.09 | vaporium | oh wait... |
| 06:29.24 | Patlabor221 | yeah but what is the res on it? |
| 06:29.33 | vaporium | Patlabor221: 1280x1024 |
| 06:29.37 | vaporium | technically x2 ;) |
| 06:29.38 | Patlabor221 | pfffft |
| 06:29.41 | Patlabor221 | still |
| 06:29.50 | Patlabor221 | but that is nice for something that big |
| 06:29.57 | vaporium | and...3d |
| 06:30.04 | Patlabor221 | yeah that's the nice thing |
| 06:31.56 | Patlabor221 | hmm wonder if the ATI radeon 9700 will run 2 monitors at difrent reses, on the analog and DVI ports |
| 06:32.29 | scanline | yay, looks like I'm going to get a paycheck-ish-thing from smartdata |
| 06:32.37 | scanline | with... almost enough money for half of tuition! |
| 06:32.48 | Patlabor221 | it's sad, this GF2 ultra used to be "the sh*t" but now I'm turning it back in because I don't have anything to use it in |
| 06:32.54 | Jormungandr | pat, I can check for you. |
| 06:32.55 | Patlabor221 | it'll prolaby go in a server |
| 06:33.05 | Jormungandr | I haven't tried using 2 monitors on it yet. |
| 06:33.20 | Patlabor221 | ohh I'll just plug it in tomorow and give it a go |
| 06:33.31 | Patlabor221 | forgot to bring the thing home |
| 06:33.52 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 07:22.25 | Jormungandr | hrm. |
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| 09:51.25 | [dmp] | ~seen MrApathyCream |
| 09:51.27 | | mrapathycream <dbrosius@mxfcl6x167.chesco.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3h 35m 19s ago, saying: 'Did Riker ever finish eating dinner?'. |
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| 10:35.07 | sussudio | ~ducatictf |
| 10:48.50 | Secret_Hamster | bzdoug__: araoound or is the __ a sign of afk? |
| 11:39.12 | TimRiker | "Plkayer" huh? |
| 11:43.29 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bird.jpg |
| 11:43.36 | sussudio | anyone have an idea what kind of bird this is? |
| 11:43.59 | TimRiker | ugly? |
| 11:44.14 | sussudio | umm |
| 11:44.25 | sussudio | i havent seen one like that here before |
| 11:52.42 | Chestal | aua |
| 11:53.02 | sussudio | wha? |
| 11:53.29 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bird2.jpg |
| 11:53.35 | sussudio | a flock of these will be eating doug later |
| 11:59.24 | TimRiker | aua? just a typo in you checkin. |
| 12:00.00 | TimRiker | er your checking. ;-) |
| 12:00.18 | Chestal | ah, ok |
| 12:00.20 | TimRiker | sheesh.... your checkin. must be late, I should sleep. |
| 12:00.46 | Chestal | time for lunch |
| 12:01.06 | rooter_the | lunch! it's 7:00 am here |
| 12:01.34 | rooter_the | :) 13:00 in Germany? |
| 12:01.47 | Chestal | TimRiker: did a quick check, several of the checks probably must be relaxed a little ot made more intelligent, I got severalfalse alarms |
| 12:01.57 | Chestal | rooter: yep |
| 12:02.01 | rooter_the | :) |
| 12:02.56 | rooter_the | it looks like some kind of duck |
| 12:03.16 | TimRiker | Chestal: false log entries? or false kicks? |
| 12:04.05 | Chestal | TimRiker: log entries, i.e. discarded shots |
| 12:04.25 | Chestal | also one denial of grabflag, that doesn't really matter though because client will try again I think |
| 12:05.08 | TimRiker | yeah, I do think grabflag should be relaxed, then perhaps made to a kick for real bad ones. |
| 12:05.34 | TimRiker | I'm seeing grabs for flags that are 250 units away on one. obviously a cheat imho |
| 12:06.47 | TimRiker | p[2] -125.322708 -28.599302 0.000000 tried to grab distant flag -247.910767 105.109612 0.000000: distance=181.399852 |
| 12:08.05 | rooter_the | ~ducatictf |
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| 12:09.36 | Chestal | TimRiker: in my case I think it was a respawn on a flag |
| 12:09.57 | Chestal | PlayerState is only updated on a update msg, should probably use other msgs which change position as well |
| 12:10.06 | Chestal | hi MAC |
| 12:10.19 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 12:10.36 | Chestal | MAC: the shot/tank distance check must be relaxed or changed |
| 12:10.49 | Chestal | MAC: one problem is z distance/velocity |
| 12:11.19 | TimRiker | server still needs to do dead reconning |
| 12:11.27 | Chestal | hypo(vx,vy,vz) can get gerater than TankSpeed |
| 12:11.42 | TimRiker | I suspect that if you don't turn at all, and then shoot your shots could get dropped. |
| 12:11.50 | Chestal | real checks cannot be done until server really knows full state of each player |
| 12:12.04 | Chestal | client should send at least 1 msg/s |
| 12:12.17 | TimRiker | right. |
| 12:12.34 | Chestal | not sure whether the shot/tank distance check is necessary at all |
| 12:12.49 | Chestal | if I am not mistaken, clients use shotmessages to update tank positions |
| 12:13.25 | Chestal | so if cheat client sends shot with wrong position, the others will see the tan kjump to this position |
| 12:13.51 | TimRiker | until the next pu is sent. |
| 12:14.15 | TimRiker | which might be immediately |
| 12:14.21 | Chestal | yes; then checking pos deltas in pu messages come to mind |
| 12:14.43 | Chestal | but the question would be, what to do if there is somethign strange |
| 12:15.10 | TimRiker | kick/ban the #((@$*&%( ;-) jk. |
| 12:15.16 | Chestal | server right now is too dumb to be able to do real checks, so it must be very cautious and only reject things that are wrong for sure |
| 12:15.24 | TimRiker | agreed. |
| 12:15.55 | TimRiker | which of course means that the cheats will become less obviously wrong. |
| 12:16.04 | Chestal | I'd suggest that we'll do more testign of these checks and rather relax or remove a check than having innocent palyers get kicked |
| 12:16.27 | TimRiker | heat to see those palyers get kicked. |
| 12:16.57 | TimRiker | er hate... sheesh. can't even get a sarcastic comment right. |
| 12:17.04 | Chestal | TimRiker: go to bed :-) |
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| 13:16.23 | TimRiker | nite. |
| 13:16.34 | Chestal | night Tim |
| 13:16.58 | TimRiker | try the roaming out. ;-) |
| 13:17.16 | sussudio | ~ducatictf |
| 14:04.12 | Secret_Hamster | anyone know anyone who's involved with bzedit on Linux? |
| 14:05.48 | sussudio | cap |
| 14:06.35 | Secret_Hamster | cap proton? |
| 14:07.19 | sussudio | y |
| 14:09.30 | Secret_Hamster | darn not here |
| 14:09.37 | Secret_Hamster | damn thing won't compile |
| 14:09.58 | sussudio | ofcourse not |
| 14:10.09 | sussudio | you need at least 60MB of gnome2 crap for that |
| 14:10.26 | Secret_Hamster | nah running gnome 1.4 |
| 14:11.01 | Secret_Hamster | I want to run other wms. but gonna wait till gentoo 1.4rc3 comes out |
| 14:11.20 | Secret_Hamster | trying to compile bze2.0 |
| 14:11.34 | sussudio | btw vaporium = cap |
| 14:11.55 | Secret_Hamster | says I've not got the right version of gtk-config |
| 14:12.01 | sussudio | bzedit wont compile without gnome2 lib crap |
| 14:12.35 | Secret_Hamster | wants >= 1.2.1 I have 1.2.10 think it's getting confused |
| 14:12.57 | Secret_Hamster | vaporium: do you know a way round this? |
| 14:15.38 | Secret_Hamster | I'm looking at the configure file. no idea what it's doing |
| 14:18.40 | sussudio | it. wants. gnome. 2. |
| 14:18.50 | sussudio | it. doesnt. work. with. gnome. 1.2. |
| 14:19.00 | sussudio | so.......... |
| 14:19.06 | sussudio | it wants 2.0.whatever. |
| 14:19.14 | bzdoug__ | I. Think. He. Knows. That. |
| 14:19.20 | sussudio | ~slick |
| 14:19.22 | | Shut up, Doug. |
| 14:19.36 | bzdoug__ | hah. hah. |
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| 14:33.54 | bzdoug__ | Windoze not found: (C)heer, (P)arty or (D)ance? |
| 14:37.23 | Secret_Hamster | sussudio: I'm NOT using version 2.1 I'm using version 2.0<- for gnome version 1.x |
| 14:39.14 | bzdoug__ | oops |
| 14:39.20 | Secret_Hamster | lol |
| 14:39.37 | Secret_Hamster | bzdoug__: still looking for members to your team |
| 14:40.01 | bzdoug__ | I aint the leader... |
| 14:40.02 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 14:40.19 | sussudio | yes, team chickenpig will be feared. |
| 14:40.26 | bzdoug__ | noodleman is... but he would enjoy anyplayer that actully plays the game |
| 14:43.27 | Secret_Hamster | I happy to play a game, depends on the time though |
| 14:43.39 | Secret_Hamster | PS F#the CTF site says your the leader |
| 14:43.55 | bzdoug__ | hmm? |
| 14:43.58 | bzdoug__ | they changed it |
| 14:44.08 | Secret_Hamster | oh sod I can't be bothered. I'll ask you bods |
| 14:44.24 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 14:44.25 | Secret_Hamster | what's the syntax for agp settings in XF86Config? |
| 14:45.13 | bzdoug__ | huh, I am the leader.. |
| 14:45.30 | Secret_Hamster | please may I know. It seems to be the only thing now freely mentioned on XFree site. And I can't remember |
| 14:45.51 | sussudio | Section "Device" |
| 14:45.51 | sussudio | Identifier"ATI Radeon 7200 All-In-Wonder" |
| 14:45.51 | sussudio | Driver"radeon" |
| 14:45.51 | sussudio | Option"AGPMode" "2" |
| 14:45.51 | sussudio | EndSection |
| 14:46.01 | Secret_Hamster | yea it worked |
| 14:46.05 | Secret_Hamster | tar |
| 14:46.49 | Secret_Hamster | I wasn't far off. |
| 14:46.55 | Secret_Hamster | got the AGP mode bit |
| 14:47.04 | Secret_Hamster | forgot about the option |
| 14:47.14 | sussudio | 2 or 4 |
| 14:47.24 | sussudio | i didnt notice any diff between those really |
| 14:47.29 | sussudio | 1 is ass-slow though |
| 14:48.52 | bzdoug__ | cool, I can tunnle any TCP/IP traffic through SSH |
| 14:49.17 | bzdoug__ | leurgille-manne: french? |
| 14:49.17 | leurgille-manne | yay for 6 hours of sleep.......... |
| 14:49.23 | bzdoug__ | leurgille-manne: no, german? |
| 14:49.37 | leurgille-manne | aujourd'hui, yes, franglais |
| 14:49.44 | bzdoug__ | ahhh |
| 14:49.55 | bzdoug__ | ~x fr en aujourd'hui, yes, franglais |
| 14:56.11 | sussudio | hmm exploding cheese |
| 14:56.21 | Secret_Hamster | bbl |
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| 15:15.48 | bzdoug__ | how do I start a window manager? |
| 15:15.54 | bzdoug__ | like KDE or gnome? |
| 15:15.59 | bzdoug__ | whats the command? |
| 15:16.38 | sussudio | haha |
| 15:16.48 | bzgirl | startkde |
| 15:16.52 | bzdoug__ | thanks |
| 15:17.06 | bzdoug__ | gnome is startgnome? |
| 15:17.16 | bzdoug__ | cool |
| 15:17.33 | bzdoug__ | X11 over SSH on a windows box with cygwin |
| 15:17.33 | bzgirl | i dunno, i dont use gnome/kde, try it. |
| 15:17.41 | bzdoug__ | yea |
| 15:17.43 | bzdoug__ | kde works |
| 15:34.32 | sussudio | spoogebob is on ducati |
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| 16:02.27 | winxi | huhu |
| 16:03.38 | winxp14 | hi pinguin |
| 16:03.42 | Pinguin | Hi |
| 16:04.03 | winxp14 | biste wieder zurück?? |
| 16:04.20 | Pinguin | Jo |
| 16:04.33 | winxp14 | hast gesagt ne stund:) |
| 16:04.54 | Pinguin | Tja ... nix lässt sich genau vorhersagen ... am wenigsten Termine ... |
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| 16:05.12 | Pinguin | Ahem ... Du solltest da ein Private Chat - Fenster haben ? |
| 16:05.55 | winxp14 | hae?? |
| 16:06.14 | winxp14 | wo? |
| 16:06.27 | Pinguin | Keine Ahnung ... was für Software nutzt Du? |
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| 16:06.46 | [dmp] | ~seen MrApathyCream |
| 16:06.53 | | mrapathycream <dbrosius@mxfcl8x97.chesco.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3h 56m 34s ago, saying: 'lo'. |
| 16:07.37 | Chestal | I guess he's in the coal mines right now |
| 16:09.55 | sussudio | kohl mines |
| 16:11.04 | [dmp] | oh.. guess he dosnt care for my danish translation and problems, then :-) |
| 16:11.50 | sussudio | rohkroh |
| 16:14.24 | winxp14 | lool |
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| 16:25.27 | Secret_Hamster | is there a bzcop in here |
| 16:25.43 | Secret_Hamster | can someone kick and ban samir on the one.bzflag.org server |
| 16:25.47 | Secret_Hamster | he's cheating |
| 16:25.49 | Secret_Hamster | like md |
| 16:25.56 | Secret_Hamster | s/md/mad |
| 16:26.14 | Secret_Hamster | has some kind of invulnerability cheat |
| 16:26.50 | bzgirl | thats not a bzcop server |
| 16:27.02 | Secret_Hamster | darn |
| 16:27.13 | Secret_Hamster | anyone know the password |
| 16:27.26 | Secret_Hamster | tis very annoying |
| 16:27.31 | Secret_Hamster | ps hi bzg |
| 16:27.33 | sussudio | so pause |
| 16:28.05 | bzgirl | samir is -8 |
| 16:28.11 | bzgirl | he hasnt killed anyone |
| 16:28.13 | sussudio | :-| |
| 16:28.19 | Secret_Hamster | Ps edited my little map again. stopped you appearing under the banks |
| 16:28.25 | bzgirl | pretty lame cheat isnt it |
| 16:28.38 | Secret_Hamster | bzgirl: he just grabs the flags |
| 16:28.45 | Secret_Hamster | doesn't appear to shoot |
| 16:28.51 | Patlabor221 | Cell's cheat is like that |
| 16:29.10 | Secret_Hamster | when he has his invulerability turned off he's crap |
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| 16:29.23 | Secret_Hamster | ahh tim |
| 16:29.33 | Secret_Hamster | there's a cheater on one.bzflag |
| 16:29.36 | sussudio | that server is screwy |
| 16:29.39 | Chestal | Tim: that was not enough sleep |
| 16:29.56 | Secret_Hamster | called samir. can turn on some kinda invulnerability |
| 16:30.10 | Secret_Hamster | anyway bbiam |
| 16:30.38 | TimRiker | Chestal: agreed. ;-) |
| 16:31.38 | Chestal | Tim: tried the new observer stuff, ableit very quickly. Is the winner somekind of virtual player you get to when cycling with f6/f7? |
| 16:35.36 | vaporium | *gasp* |
| 16:35.46 | vaporium | can it be? did i actually -connect- to dalnet? |
| 16:36.13 | Secret_Hamster | dals back yea |
| 16:36.34 | Secret_Hamster | what server? |
| 16:37.17 | vaporium | i'm on jade.va |
| 16:37.21 | vaporium | but i appear to be the only one |
| 16:37.47 | vaporium | well |
| 16:37.48 | vaporium | sorta |
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| 16:38.32 | Secret_Hamster | hum I'll try that then. Can't get on tiscali |
| 16:38.33 | vaporium | looks like there are about 5k people on the server |
| 16:40.24 | Secret_Hamster | hum have an IP. the lookup is returning 255.255.255.255 (must be yet another attack) |
| 16:40.51 | vaporium | jade.va.us.dal.net (199.184.165.134) |
| 16:41.07 | Secret_Hamster | thx |
| 16:42.02 | Secret_Hamster | ye-har I'm on too |
| 16:44.45 | Secret_Hamster | vaporium: where did you get 5000. more like half that |
| 16:45.06 | Secret_Hamster | There are 597 users and 1944 invisible on 17 servers |
| 16:46.57 | Patlabor221 | Missle check, how does this one look to everyone? http://www.bakadigital.com/missle2.png |
| 16:50.05 | Secret_Hamster | looks superb |
| 16:50.19 | Secret_Hamster | could I give my ten cents worth |
| 16:50.59 | Secret_Hamster | I'm running a fairly low spec PC with a cable connection |
| 16:51.29 | Secret_Hamster | 1) the graphics don't really matter and you spend more time looking at the radar than out the window |
| 16:52.06 | Secret_Hamster | 2) more work needs to be done in trying to minimise lag and bandwidth (as far as I can see) |
| 16:52.52 | Secret_Hamster | 3) features like, different game types, flag spawn areas and tank spawn areas would be better more graphics |
| 16:53.51 | vaporium | Secret_Hamster: from xchat's silly server list |
| 16:53.53 | vaporium | err |
| 16:53.56 | vaporium | channel list |
| 16:54.04 | vaporium | *gasp* |
| 16:54.07 | vaporium | Patlabor221 is using pngs? |
| 16:54.23 | Patlabor221 | secret, I'm not a net programer |
| 16:54.31 | Patlabor221 | and it's not going in BZflag at first |
| 16:54.36 | Patlabor221 | cap: sure why not? |
| 16:54.48 | Secret_Hamster | I used the message from the motd from jade |
| 16:55.13 | Secret_Hamster | Patlabor221: okay. I get ya. still, got my 2 cents out :) |
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| 16:55.21 | Patlabor221 | that you did. |
| 16:55.21 | vaporium | Patlabor221: can you shorten the body and make the nose a little longer? |
| 16:55.31 | Patlabor221 | I can do anyting :) |
| 16:55.47 | Patlabor221 | keep same overall lenght? |
| 16:55.55 | freelancer | anyone seen proton |
| 16:56.03 | Patlabor221 | he's vaporium |
| 16:56.08 | vaporium | Patlabor221: yeah |
| 16:56.10 | freelancer | ntnx |
| 16:56.16 | freelancer | thanks |
| 16:56.33 | Secret_Hamster | nah I think it looks fine how it is. Looks meaner |
| 16:57.03 | Secret_Hamster | if you make the nose longer it's gonna make it look poncy |
| 16:57.31 | vaporium | Secret_Hamster: lets see how it looks at least |
| 16:57.31 | vaporium | :) |
| 16:57.48 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/missle2.1.png |
| 16:57.52 | Secret_Hamster | nah, I demand the right to be able to veto this |
| 16:58.10 | vaporium | Patlabor221: well i like it |
| 16:58.23 | Patlabor221 | secred: I plan on looking at spawning issues as well |
| 16:58.33 | Patlabor221 | perhaps "hard" spawns |
| 16:58.46 | Patlabor221 | or at least map defined "fuzzy" spawns |
| 16:58.58 | Patlabor221 | and I think this missle has less polys then the current GM |
| 16:59.09 | Secret_Hamster | I definatley prefer the stubpier nose |
| 16:59.22 | vaporium | "stumpy" |
| 16:59.29 | Patlabor221 | well it will be an external model, so you could replace it with what ever |
| 16:59.38 | Patlabor221 | to mess with MAC I was gonna make it a cow |
| 16:59.38 | Secret_Hamster | makes it look like it'll hurt more even if it doesn't explode |
| 17:00.09 | Secret_Hamster | stumpy/stubby same difference |
| 17:00.46 | Patlabor221 | I"ll split the difrence |
| 17:02.09 | Patlabor221 | MAC said I should put something on the texture |
| 17:02.31 | Secret_Hamster | what about a crude version. make it look like apenis |
| 17:02.52 | Secret_Hamster | rounded nose, then two jets hanging under the rear |
| 17:03.15 | Secret_Hamster | that'd look good anyway. see if anyone spots it |
| 17:03.26 | Secret_Hamster | PS what's the 3d modeler your using? |
| 17:04.06 | TimRiker | Chestal: yeah, winner then each player in a loop. seems to be a bit erratic as to ordering, but it should cycle with f6-f7 |
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| 17:10.29 | TimRiker | Chestal: you like the Winner mode then? I also added the targetting box for drive with mode. |
| 17:11.45 | Big_Barrel | chestal do you want a match? |
| 17:13.02 | Chestal | Tim: only fired it up once for 30s or so, will try again later |
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| 17:19.08 | Patlabor221 | secret: milkshape, but I just use that for textureing, made it in lightwave |
| 17:19.12 | sussudio | well, there goes dalnet again. |
| 17:19.18 | vaporium | yep |
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| 17:19.26 | Secret_Hamster | darn you klicked off too |
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| 17:19.49 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 17:19.49 | Secret_Hamster | hujm hold on I may have tiscali's Ip somewhre |
| 17:19.49 | sussudio | at least i got to identify to nickserv and set a channel topic to point to another net |
| 17:20.10 | Secret_Hamster | sussudio: what channel do you run |
| 17:20.25 | bzdoug_ | #sussudio_worldz |
| 17:20.31 | sussudio | nothingmuch. just a private channel. |
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| 17:24.02 | vaporium | whoop |
| 17:24.37 | Patlabor221 | ahhh, yes, I hear it's rather a good rip |
| 17:24.53 | sussudio | isnt vcd like 320x288 |
| 17:25.03 | Patlabor221 | shoudl be SVCD |
| 17:25.07 | Patlabor221 | larger |
| 17:25.11 | Patlabor221 | it's a DVD rip |
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| 17:26.04 | vaporium | DVD rip and supposedly it doesn't have the copyright messages scrolling across the bottom |
| 17:26.08 | Patlabor221 | what should the missle say on it? MAC sugested "ass kicker", I think something like "Do not point tward face" |
| 17:26.21 | vaporium | "harmful if swallowed" |
| 17:26.28 | Patlabor221 | that's good |
| 17:26.31 | Patlabor221 | "do not eat" |
| 17:26.39 | Secret_Hamster | or "light blue touch paper and stand well back" |
| 17:26.45 | Patlabor221 | "keep away from campers" |
| 17:27.04 | Big_Barrel | anyteam want a match with Hell On Wheels??? |
| 17:27.12 | Patlabor221 | "for outdoor use only" |
| 17:27.13 | Secret_Hamster | "this way up" but the wrong way round? |
| 17:27.31 | Patlabor221 | "Not to be taken internaly" |
| 17:27.48 | vaporium | "if contact occurs with eyes, flush with water" |
| 17:27.54 | Secret_Hamster | Not for internal use. I think is what you meant ;) |
| 17:28.00 | Patlabor221 | "mild iritant" |
| 17:28.15 | Secret_Hamster | "Taliban Killer" ;) |
| 17:28.18 | Patlabor221 | or just "Suck it" and a happy face |
| 17:28.58 | Secret_Hamster | hum can't get to tiscali.uk.eu.dal.net vi it's IP |
| 17:29.21 | TimRiker | hud should show the flag the observed has. ;-) |
| 17:29.54 | Secret_Hamster | What about "Friendly Fire 101" ;) |
| 17:30.14 | Patlabor221 | My mod has no friendly fire. |
| 17:30.19 | Secret_Hamster | or something like that. Friendly fire 2000? |
| 17:30.32 | Patlabor221 | "punk thumper 2000" |
| 17:31.25 | vaporium | Visual Friendly Fire XP ++ 2000 .NET |
| 17:31.37 | Secret_Hamster | #rofl |
| 17:31.39 | *** part/#bzflag chsh[] (~chsh@207.245.233.114) |
| 17:31.59 | Patlabor221 | Missle.net |
| 17:34.15 | Patlabor221 | could make it jus say "I lub you" |
| 17:35.29 | vaporium | :) |
| 17:36.00 | Secret_Hamster | Or "You ARE the weakest link" |
| 17:36.06 | Patlabor221 | and on the other side "will you be my friend?" |
| 17:36.29 | Secret_Hamster | "If you can read this. Your too close" |
| 17:36.30 | Patlabor221 | or of course the obligitory "Dodge this" |
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| 17:36.58 | hardwire | who wants to be mathed to death! |
| 17:37.00 | hardwire | say I! |
| 17:37.11 | Patlabor221 | "My other munnition is a 2000lb cannon shell" |
| 17:37.42 | vaporium | mathed to death? |
| 17:37.45 | hardwire | yeah |
| 17:37.52 | hardwire | I have a problem |
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| 17:38.04 | hardwire | I have a file offset in bytes to the offset of a file I need off of a ruined filesystem |
| 17:38.21 | hardwire | I am just not quite sure how to make dd skip to that positino |
| 17:38.24 | hardwire | position |
| 17:38.33 | hardwire | the offset is 0xffffffff97f14e00 (byte) |
| 17:38.37 | Secret_Hamster | or just simply "Sorry :(" |
| 17:38.41 | vaporium | fopen(/dev/hdaX); fseek |
| 17:38.47 | hardwire | hmm.. |
| 17:38.49 | vaporium | oh dd :) |
| 17:38.49 | hardwire | that would work |
| 17:38.54 | hardwire | I could use fopen |
| 17:38.56 | Secret_Hamster | or "Sorry it's my job" |
| 17:39.02 | Patlabor221 | "Nothing personal" |
| 17:39.12 | hardwire | thats just kinda a big number to do a stream seek on |
| 17:39.17 | Secret_Hamster | yep that's a good one |
| 17:39.49 | sussudio | i aaaaaaam irrrrrooon maaaaaan |
| 17:40.01 | sussudio | get that damn magnet away from me |
| 17:40.18 | vaporium | hardwire: its only 32 bits |
| 17:40.33 | vaporium | err |
| 17:40.37 | vaporium | 64 bits |
| 17:40.57 | vaporium | what manner of filesystem? |
| 17:41.00 | hardwire | ntfs |
| 17:41.01 | hardwire | :) |
| 17:41.13 | hardwire | basically his is part of an append raid.. |
| 17:41.21 | hardwire | the first half of the raid I cannot find :( |
| 17:42.18 | vaporium | append raid? |
| 17:42.23 | Patlabor221 | "We have explosives" |
| 17:42.23 | hardwire | well |
| 17:42.24 | vaporium | you mean like a JBOD? |
| 17:42.27 | hardwire | promise card in append mode |
| 17:42.35 | Patlabor221 | or "Boot to the head" |
| 17:42.37 | hardwire | so linear appending of the drives |
| 17:42.40 | Secret_Hamster | "Have bomb, will travel" |
| 17:42.46 | vaporium | aka JBOD |
| 17:42.58 | Secret_Hamster | "<-- Press here to open" |
| 17:43.14 | vaporium | hardwire: what a silly setup. if you lose a disk you lose the entire filesystem ;) |
| 17:43.21 | hardwire | vaporium: not my setup |
| 17:43.27 | hardwire | I don't even use Windows products |
| 17:43.32 | Patlabor221 | actualy the texture could be replaced to have all of these. |
| 17:43.33 | hardwire | I have already mocked.. |
| 17:43.42 | Secret_Hamster | "Would like to met tank with GSOH" |
| 17:43.51 | Patlabor221 | "BSOD" |
| 17:43.59 | vaporium | "LART" |
| 17:44.22 | Patlabor221 | "L.R.A.A.T." |
| 17:44.31 | Patlabor221 | Long range atitude adjustment tool |
| 17:44.41 | Jormungandr | I still like the big fly swatter idea |
| 17:44.50 | Patlabor221 | that can still happen |
| 17:44.54 | Patlabor221 | this is just for a GM replacement |
| 17:44.57 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 17:45.03 | Jormungandr | lraat is cool. |
| 17:45.09 | Patlabor221 | and what it says on the side of the missle |
| 17:45.14 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 17:45.22 | Patlabor221 | "Git outa my way!!" |
| 17:45.36 | hardwire | dd if=/dev/hda ibs=1 skip=18446744071963758080 |
| 17:45.40 | hardwire | thats a little slow |
| 17:45.57 | Secret_Hamster | "| /dev/null" |
| 17:46.06 | Jormungandr | "duck" |
| 17:46.06 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 17:46.06 | Jormungandr | I need to find some scrabble bot code. |
| 17:46.26 | Patlabor221 | "format" |
| 17:46.57 | Patlabor221 | "BFM" |
| 17:47.04 | Secret_Hamster | "rm -rf /" |
| 17:47.18 | Patlabor221 | not eveyone will get that |
| 17:47.28 | Secret_Hamster | there loss |
| 17:47.33 | Secret_Hamster | their loss |
| 17:47.41 | Secret_Hamster | should have a decent OS ;0 |
| 17:48.16 | Patlabor221 | well you can't run that there modeler I had on your "decent os" :) |
| 17:48.26 | Secret_Hamster | lol |
| 17:48.36 | Secret_Hamster | Patlabor221 1 Secret_Hamster 0 |
| 17:48.54 | Patlabor221 | for some reason I just can't find linux modelers |
| 17:49.00 | Patlabor221 | all i can find is blender |
| 17:49.11 | Patlabor221 | and lightwave is way cooler then blender |
| 17:49.33 | hardwire | Patlabor221: could be that they just don't exist |
| 17:49.43 | vaporium | lightwave is infinitely more expensive than blender |
| 17:49.43 | Secret_Hamster | i was just about to go have a llok on freshmeat |
| 17:49.48 | Patlabor221 | that's what I'm thinking |
| 17:50.07 | Secret_Hamster | yea blender is totally free isn't now |
| 17:50.11 | Patlabor221 | yes lightwave is, but it's one of the chaper modelers |
| 17:50.14 | Patlabor221 | and it's more usefull |
| 17:50.26 | Patlabor221 | and has a realy cool plugin API |
| 17:50.49 | Patlabor221 | blender may be cool when it grows up, just rignt now it's interface is "funky" |
| 17:51.05 | Patlabor221 | Milkshape is realy nice for it's price |
| 17:51.16 | Patlabor221 | and the fact that it reads damn near any fomat |
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| 17:51.23 | Patlabor221 | and does bone based anims |
| 17:51.30 | sussudio | "milkshape"? what's next "quarterblender"? |
| 17:51.51 | Patlabor221 | I don't know why he named it milkshape |
| 17:51.59 | Patlabor221 | but for $20 you can't complain |
| 17:52.18 | Patlabor221 | and he's got an open file format, and plugin API |
| 17:52.30 | Secret_Hamster | AC3D looks okay depends how it is though |
| 17:52.57 | Patlabor221 | AC3D? |
| 17:53.28 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o BZFlag] by ChanServ |
| 17:54.03 | Secret_Hamster | yea go have a look. seems to be a fairly mature product. Also windows and linux, and can inport lightwave |
| 17:54.09 | Secret_Hamster | stuff |
| 17:54.13 | Patlabor221 | where? |
| 17:54.19 | Secret_Hamster | http://www.ac3d.org/ |
| 17:56.04 | Patlabor221 | hope it has a good UV maper |
| 17:56.56 | Secret_Hamster | hum costs $40 though |
| 17:56.59 | Patlabor221 | best one I ever used was NST, had a great interface, but noone has done anything like it since |
| 17:57.21 | Patlabor221 | #40 is not bad |
| 17:57.31 | Patlabor221 | I have no problem paying for good usefull software |
| 17:58.32 | Patlabor221 | what this looks like it's based on the Q2MDL project |
| 17:59.34 | Patlabor221 | offta I did not bring in the lightware model well at all |
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| 18:02.33 | Patlabor221 | hmm and no UV maper that I can see |
| 18:03.04 | Patlabor221 | rating = "wait till it's done" |
| 18:03.17 | Vernon | any one know where i can get the capture-the-flag map now playing on one.bzflag.org 5155 and some good settings for it? |
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| 18:03.50 | scanline | Patlabor221: blender! |
| 18:03.50 | Patlabor221 | stats.bzflag.org has a huge list of maps, but I think it's HIX. |
| 18:04.00 | Vernon | HIX? |
| 18:04.30 | Patlabor221 | scan: I've been looking at blender, and it's slowly geting better, interface dosn't seem to flow that well, but it's my best hope, next to Milkshape 2 |
| 18:04.42 | Patlabor221 | HIX is a map, it should be in CVS |
| 18:04.54 | BZFlag | it's hix2 and it's in the SF maps section. |
| 18:05.07 | Patlabor221 | right from the man himslef |
| 18:05.25 | bzdoug_ | anyone know of a free x11 server for windows? |
| 18:05.42 | BZFlag | flags I use (not including the password): |
| 18:06.17 | BZFlag | -p $port0 -pr $port1 -d -d -t -c -b $flags -h -j -mp 3,3,3,3,3 -mo 4 -ms 10 -ttl 255 -publicaddr one.bzflag.org:$port0 -public "$msg" -srvmsg "$msg" -world $HOME/bzflag-1.7/misc/hix2.bzw |
| 18:06.42 | BZFlag | flags is: -fb +f gm -s 50 -sw 1 -st 5 at present. |
| 18:07.26 | Vernon | Thanks! |
| 18:07.39 | Vernon | but i cannot seem to find the right page ... the SF section? |
| 18:07.42 | Patlabor221 | scan: once you get pico running on SDL on windows, I may make a UV maper with it tho :) |
| 18:07.50 | bzdoug_ | sourchforge |
| 18:07.59 | BZFlag | bzflag.org -> maps. |
| 18:08.31 | BZFlag | feel free to add more. ;-) |
| 18:08.34 | Vernon | ahhh ok i was on stats.bzflag.org :-P |
| 18:08.47 | Vernon | someday ... |
| 18:09.04 | bzdoug_ | "patches welcome" |
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| 18:09.48 | bzdoug_ | seattle linux users group? |
| 18:12.24 | Vernon | suncoast linux users group? ... there are about 20 "slug"s including one from australia :-P |
| 18:12.33 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 18:12.38 | bzdoug_ | including here I think |
| 18:12.51 | bzdoug_ | no, ours is LLUG |
| 18:12.59 | Vernon | ours is OLUG |
| 18:13.06 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 18:13.07 | sussudio | pig linux users group |
| 18:13.22 | bzdoug_ | sussudio's is PLUG? |
| 18:13.56 | sussudio | kentucky division |
| 18:14.02 | bzdoug_ | uh huh |
| 18:14.26 | bzdoug_ | BZFlag: heh |
| 18:14.44 | BZFlag | both .orgs ;-) |
| 18:14.45 | bzdoug_ | http://www.slug.speedacm.org/ |
| 18:14.50 | bzdoug_ | dats ours |
| 18:15.10 | vaporium | considering bzdoug_ is not a LU |
| 18:15.33 | bzdoug_ | I am too |
| 18:16.19 | Patlabor221 | puting X11 on a windows machine does not make you a linux user |
| 18:17.04 | bzdoug_ | the only way for me to USE x11 on my windows box is to have a linux box feeding programs through an SSH tunnel into my computer |
| 18:17.24 | Patlabor221 | why not just use the linux computer |
| 18:17.35 | bzdoug_ | 2 users at one time... |
| 18:17.36 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 18:17.45 | Patlabor221 | you and the pig? |
| 18:17.55 | bzdoug_ | tux |
| 18:18.16 | Patlabor221 | you know you can run multiple X11's on the same leeenox comuter |
| 18:18.33 | bzdoug_ | with one monitor and keyboard? |
| 18:18.39 | bzdoug_ | whats the use in that? |
| 18:19.35 | Patlabor221 | if you have things that you want in there own X11 space |
| 18:19.51 | Patlabor221 | like multiple desktops, just multiple windwin shells |
| 18:19.55 | bzdoug_ | yes yes |
| 18:20.00 | bzdoug_ | but I want multipule users |
| 18:20.10 | bzdoug_ | not multipule desktops |
| 18:20.19 | vaporium | wtf do you mean 'multiple users' ? |
| 18:20.19 | Patlabor221 | who else is gonna use your computer and for what? |
| 18:20.39 | bzdoug_ | my brothers play tux racer while I configure the server |
| 18:20.40 | Patlabor221 | you wanna log in twice? |
| 18:21.06 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 18:21.14 | vaporium | bzdoug_ configuring a "server" |
| 18:21.14 | vaporium | scary |
| 18:21.33 | bzdoug_ | vaporium: :P |
| 18:21.40 | bzdoug_ | trial and error |
| 18:21.47 | bzdoug_ | but it seems like an error this time |
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| 18:21.55 | vaporium | bzdoug_: yes, i've played bz off a remote X |
| 18:22.00 | vaporium | so long as glX is set up correctly |
| 18:22.01 | Patlabor221 | 1,000,000 monkeys and 1,000,000 typewriters |
| 18:22.10 | bzdoug_ | hmmmm |
| 18:22.14 | bzdoug_ | cant find a font.. |
| 18:22.17 | bzdoug_ | interesting |
| 18:22.26 | bzdoug_ | was working fine yesterday |
| 18:22.29 | vaporium | you won't be able to play bzflag from the linux machine displaying on windows |
| 18:22.36 | Patlabor221 | then what did you break? |
| 18:22.54 | bzdoug_ | X11 |
| 18:22.55 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 18:23.01 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 18:23.05 | Patlabor221 | baka |
| 18:23.07 | bzdoug_ | vaporium: why? |
| 18:23.28 | vaporium | bzdoug_: because i'm 99.99999999% sure windows doesn't speak glx |
| 18:23.32 | bzdoug_ | vaporium: I have cygwin installed.... and I get other 2d games playing |
| 18:23.35 | bzdoug_ | vaporium: ah |
| 18:23.43 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 18:23.57 | [TeA|TrEE] | :-( |
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| 18:24.01 | [TeA|TrEE] | i dont understand |
| 18:24.15 | bzdoug_ | how powerfull of a computer does one need to run glx over a network? |
| 18:24.16 | [TeA|TrEE] | on my other pc he can start linux |
| 18:24.17 | vaporium | a SUPER POWERFULL ONE |
| 18:24.20 | [TeA|TrEE] | on my new wone he cant |
| 18:24.26 | Patlabor221 | like CRAY class |
| 18:24.31 | [TeA|TrEE] | even if i swap monitors |
| 18:24.39 | bzdoug_ | vaporium: seriusly |
| 18:24.45 | vaporium | baka |
| 18:25.37 | Patlabor221 | how does a monitor swap have anything to do with an OS booting? |
| 18:25.58 | stibnite | Patlabor221: if you don't plug in the new monitor, it's easy to think that it failed to boot. |
| 18:26.20 | Patlabor221 | yeah, I was thinking that's the "only reason" |
| 18:26.20 | BZFlag | the idea of glx is that redering is done on the local machine, not the remote. |
| 18:26.31 | stibnite | actually, your X config could bite you in the arse |
| 18:26.37 | Patlabor221 | so doug needs a cray class windows machine. |
| 18:26.53 | BZFlag | that would work. (not) |
| 18:26.59 | stibnite | if you have linux set to run xdm or something, and it overdrives the monitor, and you don't know about vt's or single user mode |
| 18:27.06 | vaporium | BZFlag: sgi has some extensions to do rendering on the remote but those aren't available on consumer-level hardware =) |
| 18:27.20 | Patlabor221 | I could see X staring and puting the video in a mode the montitor could not handle, but you would sill see the text mode linux start up |
| 18:27.42 | stibnite | remote X with glx works fine |
| 18:27.52 | Patlabor221 | on a windows machine? |
| 18:27.52 | stibnite | or do i misunderstand the question? |
| 18:28.01 | stibnite | oh, a windows machine. |
| 18:28.10 | stibnite | i don't think that cygwin's X server does glx |
| 18:28.19 | stibnite | but i believe there is a windows x server that does. |
| 18:28.20 | Patlabor221 | remote X to a X11 client on a windows machine working with GLX is the question |
| 18:28.27 | stibnite | lemme ask 1 sec |
| 18:29.48 | stibnite | yeah it's not free software, but here's one: |
| 18:29.50 | stibnite | http://x-thinpro.com/specifications.html |
| 18:30.41 | stibnite | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.52 | vaporium | exceed used to be the best one |
| 18:31.02 | vaporium | don't know if there's something new |
| 18:31.19 | stibnite | yeah that might be the one i'm thinking of. |
| 18:34.06 | Hamster_afk | yea I have blender on my system. no idea how to use it though |
| 18:34.24 | Hamster_afk | tis tea time byeeeeeee for now |
| 18:37.34 | stibnite | apparently the closeset you can come to hardware glx in cygwin's X server is in conjunction with opendx |
| 18:38.16 | sussudio | hmm somehow the building on this map i'm making turned into a rather rude shape |
| 18:41.40 | bzdoug_ | hmm? |
| 18:41.43 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 18:43.22 | bzdoug_ | http://sources.redhat.com/win32-x11/ |
| 18:43.43 | BZFlag | ~spell agressive |
| 18:44.05 | vaporium | "agressive" might be spelled correctly |
| 18:44.51 | bzdoug_ | freaking people, put links up and everything, and make the files read-locked |
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| 18:48.06 | Big_Barrel | chestal??? |
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| 18:48.40 | bzdoug__ | aha |
| 18:48.42 | bzdoug__ | thought so |
| 18:59.52 | sussudio | ... |
| 19:00.01 | sussudio | weeeeeeird |
| 19:00.22 | sussudio | i accidently put 2 boxes in the same place, one with a positive and one with a negative x.... |
| 19:00.28 | sussudio | looks really odd |
| 19:00.48 | bzdoug__ | oh? |
| 19:00.50 | bzdoug__ | screenshot? |
| 19:01.13 | sussudio | i'd have to load it up.... |
| 19:01.19 | bzdoug__ | huh |
| 19:01.22 | bzdoug__ | ~tar |
| 19:04.02 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/weird.jpg |
| 19:04.23 | bzdoug__ | wierd |
| 19:04.29 | sussudio | it's like a ghost box |
| 19:04.37 | bzdoug__ | yea |
| 19:04.48 | bzdoug__ | but it acts normal? |
| 19:04.54 | sussudio | yeah |
| 19:04.59 | sussudio | well, you go through it |
| 19:04.59 | bzdoug__ | hah |
| 19:05.03 | bzdoug__ | oh |
| 19:05.08 | bzdoug__ | but bullets dont? |
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| 19:05.23 | sussudio | havent tried...... |
| 19:05.42 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 19:07.54 | sussudio | ... |
| 19:08.12 | sussudio | this is going to freak out players..... |
| 19:08.22 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/weird2.jpg |
| 19:08.37 | sussudio | ghost boxes |
| 19:08.39 | bzdoug__ | hahaha |
| 19:09.00 | stibnite | does anybody know if perl's artistic license v2.0 ever made it past beta5? |
| 19:09.00 | sussudio | it looks weird on the map too |
| 19:09.28 | bzdoug__ | ? |
| 19:11.19 | bzdoug__ | wierd |
| 19:11.28 | Hamster_afk | hum so you can have a box with a negative size then |
| 19:11.54 | bzdoug__ | I am looking at a *.tar.bz2 file on a web server, but when I download it, it turns into a .tar.tar file |
| 19:12.10 | bzdoug__ | Hamster_afk: :) |
| 19:12.27 | sussudio | steak tar.tar? |
| 19:12.35 | bzdoug__ | ? |
| 19:12.43 | sussudio | :-| |
| 19:13.50 | sussudio | http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?lastnode_id=1320560&node_id=850786 |
| 19:14.21 | bzdoug__ | heh |
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| 19:24.43 | bzdoug__ | ~sence |
| 19:24.50 | bzdoug__ | ~spell sence |
| 19:25.01 | Patlabor221 | ~goat_cheese_Pizza |
| 19:25.35 | Jormungandr | bzdoug, as in "makes sense"? |
| 19:25.58 | bzdoug__ | I dont have cents |
| 19:26.11 | Jormungandr | poor poor doug ;) |
| 19:26.29 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 19:26.41 | Patlabor221 | poor in more ways then one |
| 19:26.51 | Jormungandr | I started a screen process just for IRC. |
| 19:26.53 | sussudio | YOURE POOR DOUGIE!!!!! |
| 19:27.01 | sussudio | RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAAAAAAAH |
| 19:27.20 | Jormungandr | so far 6 irc screens in it. |
| 19:27.21 | Patlabor221 | OMG they killed douggy |
| 19:27.59 | bzdoug__ | ? |
| 19:28.19 | Jormungandr | fun |
| 19:28.25 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 19:28.29 | bzdoug__ | I do it for fun |
| 19:28.39 | bzdoug__ | hmm, this SSH stuff it cool |
| 19:30.24 | sussudio | i got me some foldable headphones |
| 19:30.26 | sussudio | 15 dollah |
| 19:30.48 | sussudio | soldiaaaahboy |
| 19:31.08 | bzdoug__ | "Success doesn't compile itself and arrive as a binary pre-packaged for your |
| 19:31.08 | bzdoug__ | OS on a free CD that's been mailed to you by God. Unless you do the work, you don't get it." |
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| 19:43.11 | bzdoug__ | 10 min left on RH8 install |
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| 19:53.21 | Vernon | Anyone here know how to set up an ssh tunnel for bzflag properly? |
| 19:53.40 | bzdoug_ | ooh |
| 19:53.43 | bzdoug_ | thats a neat idea |
| 19:54.07 | bzdoug_ | you would need UDP/TCP ports |
| 19:54.14 | bzdoug_ | multipul ones too |
| 19:54.17 | Vernon | I almost got it working, but i am an idiot with ssh :( |
| 19:54.18 | bzdoug_ | I think |
| 19:54.22 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 19:54.30 | bzdoug_ | what went wrong? |
| 19:54.47 | Vernon | Well i just tried a very simple one like this |
| 19:55.25 | bzdoug_ | of course I am in windows, so I use putty for this stuff |
| 19:55.42 | Vernon | ssh -L 5155:bzfsName:5155 bzfsName |
| 19:55.55 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 19:55.59 | bzdoug_ | you need more ports |
| 19:56.07 | bzdoug_ | at least one more, but I think you also need UDP ports |
| 19:56.12 | Vernon | yea ... figured that ... |
| 19:56.24 | bzdoug_ | unless the server dont need UDP |
| 19:56.29 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 19:56.49 | Vernon | anyway when i "telnet bzfsName 5155" i get the normal BZFlag prompt |
| 19:56.55 | bzdoug_ | I am gonna try that |
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| 19:57.31 | Vernon | but when i "telnet 127.0.0.1 5155" from the ssh client side the telnet session responds strangly |
| 19:57.31 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 19:57.37 | bzdoug_ | well |
| 19:57.46 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 19:57.52 | bzdoug_ | I dunno why |
| 19:58.04 | Vernon | as soon as i type any key from the ssh client side the connection is closed immediately :( |
| 19:58.20 | bzdoug_ | but ask somebody like Chestal for the minimum ports required to use bzflag |
| 19:58.26 | bzdoug_ | hm |
| 19:58.26 | bzdoug_ | odd |
| 19:59.26 | Vernon | anyway if someone in here figures it out ... please e-mail me at vsingleton@cfl.rr.com |
| 19:59.40 | bzdoug_ | problem is the server fowards you to a random port |
| 19:59.49 | bzdoug_ | so you would need to setup a whole range of ports |
| 19:59.55 | bzdoug_ | Vernon: ok |
| 20:00.00 | Vernon | Ahh |
| 20:00.10 | Chestal | no, it doesn't |
| 20:00.13 | Vernon | ssh does not forward port ranges :( |
| 20:00.15 | bzdoug_ | ChanServ: ? |
| 20:00.18 | bzdoug_ | Chestal: ? |
| 20:00.24 | Chestal | you can specify both ports with -p and -pr respectively |
| 20:00.31 | bzdoug_ | Chestal: in the client? |
| 20:00.40 | Chestal | no, bzfs |
| 20:00.44 | Vernon | Chestal to the rescue .... hurray! |
| 20:00.57 | Chestal | client uses ephemeral port for TCP and tries to use 17200 for UDP |
| 20:01.16 | Vernon | ephermeral ? |
| 20:01.23 | Chestal | but I don't think ssh can forward UDP, can it? |
| 20:01.25 | Vernon | wazzat? |
| 20:01.51 | Chestal | a random port from the ephemeral range, assigned to you by the OS |
| 20:02.28 | Vernon | then what is 5155 alll about? |
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| 20:02.59 | Vernon | Oooo lemme guess |
| 20:03.01 | Chestal | this is the default port, if you do not use -p |
| 20:03.09 | bzdoug__ | Chestal: repeat that? |
| 20:03.20 | Vernon | that's just the destination port on the bzfs with respect to the client |
| 20:03.25 | bzdoug__ | missed it all |
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| 20:03.29 | bzdoug__ | :) |
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| 20:03.42 | Chestal | ~logs |
| 20:03.44 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ |
| 20:03.44 | Vernon | but the port used on the client side is "ephemeral" |
| 20:03.50 | Chestal | bzdoug: look there :-) |
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| 20:04.05 | bzdoug__ | Chestal: it dont update that quickly does it? |
| 20:04.09 | Chestal | Vernon: yes, but that's no problem. What are you trying to achieve anyway? |
| 20:04.15 | Chestal | bzdoug: no idea |
| 20:04.34 | freelancer | ibot were is proton |
| 20:04.36 | | ...but were is already something else... |
| 20:04.50 | Vernon | just trying to learn ssh tunneling a little better, and thought connecting to my bzfs at home from work using it would be a double benifit ;) |
| 20:04.54 | freelancer | oopss |
| 20:05.19 | freelancer | ibot where is proton |
| 20:05.21 | | freelancer: I think you lost me on that one |
| 20:05.30 | freelancer | sry |
| 20:05.38 | Vernon | so ... we are trying to set up ssh tunneling (through our firewall) to play bzflag :) |
| 20:05.42 | bzdoug__ | Chestal: the latest entry is 23:59.51 |
| 20:05.49 | bzdoug__ | I think it does a daily dump |
| 20:05.49 | freelancer | looking for Captain Proton |
| 20:05.58 | Chestal | Vernon: well, I guess you're lost with UDP |
| 20:06.02 | bzdoug__ | Chestal: /msg me with it, I have to be running |
| 20:06.11 | Vernon | Ok |
| 20:06.11 | Chestal | Vernon: for TCP, forwearding 5155 and 5156 shoudl work I guess |
| 20:06.15 | bzdoug__ | Vernon: you could tunnal a VPN connection through it... :P |
| 20:06.30 | sussudio | ~spell tunnal |
| 20:06.50 | scanline | ~resussitate ibot |
| 20:07.25 | Vernon | you must be right of course ... "ssh -L 5155:bzfsName:5155 bzfsname" is not enough |
| 20:08.14 | Vernon | How about if we tried to run the whole thing over 17200, both tcp and udp ... |
| 20:08.28 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 20:08.34 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 20:08.45 | bzdoug__ | I will contiu to fiddle with this when I am back |
| 20:08.46 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 20:08.52 | Vernon | on the bzfs side ... then maybe the ssh tunnel would not care about what protocalls were being passed ? |
| 20:09.10 | scanline | Vernon: ssh only forwards TCP |
| 20:09.20 | scanline | TCP ports aren't the same as UDP ports, even if they have the same number |
| 20:09.21 | Vernon | scanline: :( |
| 20:09.24 | scanline | plus, bzfs needs two ports |
| 20:09.30 | scanline | 5155 and 5156 usually |
| 20:09.32 | bzdoug__ | scanline: I can do that |
| 20:09.46 | bzdoug__ | scanline: hmm |
| 20:09.52 | scanline | off the top of my head, only thing I know of that might proxy UDP and TCP is SOCKS5 |
| 20:09.53 | Vernon | So is there anyway to set up some sort of forwarding tunnel? |
| 20:10.01 | scanline | or a VPN |
| 20:10.07 | Vernon | Ahh |
| 20:10.41 | Vernon | is SOCKS5 hard to set up? |
| 20:10.47 | Vernon | or VPN? |
| 20:10.53 | bzdoug__ | is there socks5 for windows? :P |
| 20:11.01 | scanline | I haven't used socks5 in ages, and I've never set up a VPN... |
| 20:11.06 | bzdoug__ | scanline: can bzflag work with socks5? |
| 20:11.11 | scanline | I don't know! |
| 20:11.15 | scanline | ~sud |
| 20:11.17 | | shut up doug |
| 20:11.20 | bzdoug__ | scanline: can you help us? |
| 20:11.23 | scanline | ~sud |
| 20:11.25 | | shut up doug |
| 20:11.25 | bzdoug__ | scanline: huh huh? |
| 20:11.39 | scanline | ~while true; do ~sud; done |
| 20:11.53 | scanline | I only smoke when on fire. |
| 20:11.59 | bzdoug__ | ah |
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| 20:20.05 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o BZFlag] by ChanServ |
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| 20:20.43 | Vernon | BZFlag: has anyone been able to set up something like an ssh tunnel to play bzflag? |
| 20:20.58 | Vernon | ssh only tunnels tcp :( |
| 20:21.21 | Chestal | Vernon: you must set the server to not require UDP then and turn UDP off in your client |
| 20:21.41 | Vernon | cool! |
| 20:21.51 | Vernon | will that hurt performance? |
| 20:22.43 | Chestal | well, TCP is not that well suited for realtime messages |
| 20:23.05 | Chestal | because it's silly to retransmit a lost position update packet |
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| 20:24.43 | Cell | lo |
| 20:24.57 | Vernon | going to try it now ... |
| 20:25.20 | Vernon | where did you find this out? |
| 20:26.19 | Cell | i improved my mesh skills dramatically since i begun to study Hugues Hoppe's publications |
| 20:26.34 | *** join/#bzflag isfry (~Fry@65.168.86.30) |
| 20:26.55 | Cell | im on the road that rocks now |
| 20:29.08 | Cell | i mean having the mathematicall instruments to deal with meshes mathematically, which is very powerfull ;) |
| 20:29.34 | scanline | heh |
| 20:29.56 | scanline | got m4d m3sh sk1llz now? |
| 20:30.19 | Cell | what? |
| 20:32.00 | Cell | the publications are so great they let me say a big wow sometimes, i really wasted my time on such crap sites like flipcode |
| 20:34.36 | Cell | and many solutions described there are of big use for tooth reconstruction, that is the happiest message, i can use their work and associate it with my tooth reconstruction methods |
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| 20:35.13 | Cell | even though the implemetation is a very chanllanging task |
| 20:35.35 | Cell | even if you understand all |
| 20:35.39 | Cell | well |
| 20:36.53 | stibnite | wow |
| 20:37.00 | stibnite | the cpu bug fixed itself |
| 20:37.13 | stibnite | bzfs just decided to calm down on its own |
| 21:11.26 | bzdoug__ | hahahahahahhahahahaa |
| 21:16.11 | stibnite | ? |
| 21:16.20 | bzdoug__ | ?? |
| 21:16.33 | stibnite | . |
| 21:16.41 | bzdoug__ | ! |
| 21:20.37 | stibnite | omg cvs downtime is driving me insane |
| 21:20.54 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 21:21.02 | stibnite | i HATE coding, too |
| 21:21.03 | stibnite | HATE it |
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| 21:21.11 | stibnite | i guess it's the forbidden fruit thing |
| 21:21.17 | stibnite | hey god-fearer! |
| 21:21.31 | Vernon_at_work | Hi |
| 21:22.11 | stibnite | boy i guess that's all i had to say. |
| 21:22.15 | stibnite | all revved up for nothing |
| 21:22.23 | Vernon_at_work | Failure downloading world database :( |
| 21:22.31 | stibnite | where? |
| 21:22.44 | Vernon_at_work | vernon.is-a-geek.org 5155 |
| 21:22.56 | Vernon_at_work | wait a sec let me get it back up :) |
| 21:23.47 | Vernon_at_work | ok its back up |
| 21:24.07 | Vernon_at_work | other folks are having no problems using the server |
| 21:24.33 | Vernon_at_work | but i am trying to ssh tunnel to it ... "Failure downloading world database :(" |
| 21:25.21 | Vernon_at_work | That is a better error than before when it was trying to set up a UDP connection |
| 21:25.26 | bzdoug__ | hah |
| 21:25.35 | bzdoug__ | I got KDE to just pop up on my windows desktop |
| 21:26.07 | stibnite | ah |
| 21:26.42 | Vernon_at_work | it must be trying to send the .bzw file over some port other than 5155 or 5156 ... |
| 21:27.01 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 21:27.01 | Vernon_at_work | or maybe its trying to use UDP still :-P |
| 21:27.02 | stibnite | no trouble here |
| 21:27.28 | stibnite | perhaps you are on the same side of NAT as the box? |
| 21:27.30 | Vernon_at_work | Yes looks like you are joining fine |
| 21:27.56 | Vernon_at_work | nope ... now i am definitley behind a different firewall than the server |
| 21:28.16 | stibnite | hrm |
| 21:28.39 | Vernon_at_work | i set up 2 ssh tunnels like it was suggested |
| 21:28.50 | Vernon_at_work | one on 5155 and one on 5156 |
| 21:29.01 | stibnite | hrm |
| 21:29.14 | bzdoug__ | 2? I can get multiple fowards with one program... |
| 21:30.05 | Vernon_at_work | one thing that still bugz me is that telnetting to port 5155 on this end of the ssh tunnel is different than when other folks do it. |
| 21:30.14 | Vernon_at_work | How so? |
| 21:30.29 | Vernon_at_work | using -L twice? |
| 21:30.35 | bzdoug__ | I use putty |
| 21:30.36 | bzdoug__ | on windows |
| 21:30.44 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 21:30.45 | Vernon_at_work | maybe i should do that |
| 21:30.48 | bzdoug__ | google for putty |
| 21:31.00 | bzdoug__ | putty, on windows, hard to scrape off too |
| 21:31.01 | Jormungandr | www.versiontracker.com |
| 21:31.03 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 21:31.11 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 21:31.22 | Jormungandr | I like versiontracker for finding software. |
| 21:31.36 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 21:31.57 | stibnite | yeah you should be able to specify -L twice |
| 21:32.01 | bzdoug__ | hah |
| 21:32.15 | bzdoug__ | playing games over SSH with X11 |
| 21:32.17 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 21:32.27 | Jormungandr | that might slow it down a bit. |
| 21:32.38 | bzdoug__ | bah |
| 21:33.14 | sussudio | new map is running on jzaun 5156 |
| 21:34.05 | stibnite | w00t! |
| 21:34.11 | Hamster_afk | putty is good. only decent bit of windoze I've found |
| 21:34.12 | stibnite | i think i found a freebsd bug!! |
| 21:34.15 | Hamster_afk | oh and opera |
| 21:34.21 | bzdoug__ | Hamster_afk: hehe |
| 21:34.26 | bzdoug__ | stibnite: eh? |
| 21:35.21 | stibnite | manpage for accf_data is inaccurate |
| 21:35.29 | *** part/#bzflag Vernon_at_work (~vds@218.203.27.24.cfl.rr.com) |
| 21:35.29 | stibnite | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.33 | stibnite | should read |
| 21:35.40 | stibnite | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.43 | stibnite | (i think) |
| 21:35.49 | bzdoug__ | a MANPAGE?!?!! |
| 21:35.51 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 21:35.58 | bzdoug__ | that aint no bug |
| 21:36.23 | bzdoug__ | bah |
| 21:36.29 | bzdoug__ | stupid computer wont let me out |
| 21:39.27 | stibnite | hehe |
| 21:39.39 | stibnite | hey, little victories |
| 21:39.57 | bzdoug__ | DNS |
| 21:40.01 | *** join/#bzflag God-fearer (~vds@218.203.27.24.cfl.rr.com) |
| 21:40.03 | stibnite | dns? |
| 21:40.08 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 21:40.10 | bzdoug__ | wrong ip |
| 21:40.41 | God-fearer | ok ... using putty now for the ssh forwarding ... forwarding is working ... now to check if a bzflag client can use the tunnels |
| 21:40.44 | bzdoug__ | hah, I am using KDE/mozzilla and other programs all in windows with a xserver |
| 21:40.55 | bzdoug__ | God-fearer: k |
| 21:41.45 | God-fearer | bzfs started on remote machine |
| 21:41.45 | God-fearer | ... |
| 21:41.50 | God-fearer | ... |
| 21:41.51 | bzdoug__ | ... |
| 21:42.01 | God-fearer | starting bzflag client ... |
| 21:42.09 | bzdoug__ | ... |
| 21:42.30 | Jormungandr | that was fun |
| 21:42.32 | sussudio | the map izz weird |
| 21:42.53 | bzdoug__ | ~bzfquery jzaun.com:5155 |
| 21:43.01 | sussudio | the ghost boxes act differently at different angles |
| 21:43.11 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 21:43.25 | God-fearer | wooo hoo! it is working ! |
| 21:43.29 | Jormungandr | ghost boxes are neat |
| 21:43.36 | God-fearer | putty is great! |
| 21:43.56 | sussudio | you get something similar with upside down pyramids |
| 21:44.53 | bzdoug__ | hah |
| 21:45.03 | God-fearer | wonder what _exactly_ would be the ssh command line equivalent of what putty did for multiple forwardings is? |
| 21:45.07 | bzdoug__ | I get 1FPS with bzflag running over SSH over X11 |
| 21:45.10 | bzdoug__ | etc |
| 21:45.21 | bzdoug__ | :P |
| 21:45.25 | God-fearer | nope ... no X11 of ssh here |
| 21:45.33 | bzdoug__ | no |
| 21:45.37 | God-fearer | able to use a local client |
| 21:45.54 | bzdoug__ | I am running bzflag client on the linux box, while playing it from the windows box |
| 21:45.57 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 21:45.59 | God-fearer | but through the ssh tunnels set up by putty ... wooo hooo! |
| 21:46.28 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 21:46.55 | God-fearer | local windows client _> putty ssh tunnel -> bzfs ... no X11 over ssh ... w00t! |
| 21:47.14 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 21:47.20 | bzdoug__ | cool |
| 21:47.32 | bzdoug__ | ahhahaaa |
| 21:47.34 | bzdoug__ | it broke |
| 21:47.38 | bzdoug__ | something locked up |
| 21:47.38 | Jormungandr | I am open to putting new maps up on dragon.org, too, if anyone is interested. |
| 21:47.41 | bzdoug__ | BSOD |
| 21:47.47 | Jormungandr | people get bored with maps pretty quick. |
| 21:47.48 | bzdoug__ | Jormungandr: heh |
| 21:48.00 | sussudio | there's like 100 on rotation on jzaun |
| 21:48.16 | Jormungandr | nod true. |
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| 21:48.34 | Jormungandr | once I get on new connection, i can run 2 or 3 servers at once. |
| 21:48.45 | bzdoug__ | heh |
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| 21:50.07 | bzdoug__ | :P |
| 21:50.11 | God-fearer | oops ... disconnected accidentally with alll of my excitement :) |
| 21:50.16 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 21:50.36 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 21:50.37 | bzdoug__ | nope |
| 21:50.45 | bzdoug__ | what ports did you poward? |
| 21:50.47 | bzdoug__ | forward? |
| 21:50.48 | God-fearer | ok ... trying client again ... checking performace hit without udp :( |
| 21:50.57 | God-fearer | only 5155 and 5156 |
| 21:51.04 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 21:51.11 | bzdoug__ | jzaun must use diferent ones |
| 21:51.13 | bzdoug__ | and UPD |
| 21:51.15 | bzdoug__ | :P |
| 21:51.20 | God-fearer | but i set "-noudp" on the bzfs |
| 21:51.24 | bzdoug__ | yea |
| 21:51.36 | God-fearer | and no udp on the client |
| 21:51.42 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 21:51.55 | bzdoug__ | whats your server? |
| 21:52.27 | bzdoug__ | I am gonna try connecting over SSH to noodlemans desktop, then play bzflag from his connection |
| 21:53.43 | bzdoug__ | here goes |
| 21:54.27 | Patlabor221 | so doug is the hacker/imposter? |
| 21:55.07 | bzdoug__ | no |
| 21:55.24 | bzdoug__ | noodleman gave me SSH access to his puter |
| 21:56.07 | freelancer | its not what you know its who you know |
| 21:56.21 | bzdoug__ | :P |
| 21:58.21 | Patlabor221 | why would he do that? |
| 21:58.31 | bzdoug__ | being friendly |
| 21:58.41 | Patlabor221 | does he just like downtime? |
| 21:59.00 | bzdoug__ | hah |
| 21:59.03 | bzdoug__ | I dont have root |
| 21:59.07 | bzdoug__ | I have my own username |
| 21:59.24 | BZFlag | use -C on the ssh line. |
| 21:59.29 | bzdoug__ | hahaha |
| 21:59.33 | bzdoug__ | BZFlag: ? |
| 21:59.38 | bzdoug__ | BZFlag: whats that do? |
| 21:59.55 | BZFlag | -C compresses. works fairly well for X/GLX connections. |
| 21:59.59 | bzdoug__ | yea |
| 22:00.06 | bzdoug__ | thats what I set putty to use |
| 22:00.07 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 22:00.20 | bzdoug__ | its got an "icky" gui |
| 22:01.17 | Patlabor221 | so it's glaring today? not shruging? |
| 22:01.42 | BZFlag | ~spell agressive |
| 22:01.43 | | possible spellings for agressive: aggressive caressive digressive regressive aggressively abrasive unaggressive aggressor |
| 22:02.05 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 22:02.57 | bzdoug__ | huh |
| 22:03.00 | bzdoug__ | god mode |
| 22:03.02 | bzdoug__ | cheater |
| 22:03.33 | Patlabor221 | no just dammage reduction +11 |
| 22:05.03 | *** part/#bzflag freelancer (~luis@ool-18bcd01b.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 22:06.42 | bzdoug__ | where is all the programs kept on a linux system? |
| 22:06.57 | bzdoug__ | aha |
| 22:07.00 | Patlabor221 | one of the bins |
| 22:07.06 | bzdoug__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.12 | Patlabor221 | that is some of them |
| 22:07.13 | *** join/#bzflag sn0w_m0nkey (~sn0w_m0nk@photon.unm.edu) |
| 22:07.18 | Secret_Hamster | all over the place |
| 22:07.26 | Secret_Hamster | /usr/local/bin too |
| 22:07.29 | bzdoug__ | hm |
| 22:07.34 | Secret_Hamster | and /usr/sbin |
| 22:07.37 | Secret_Hamster | and /usr/bin |
| 22:07.54 | Secret_Hamster | and /bin and /sbin |
| 22:08.00 | bzdoug__ | ouch, putty dont like me quiting apps while in the middle of starting them |
| 22:08.18 | sn0w_m0nkey | mornin |
| 22:08.24 | bzdoug__ | yo |
| 22:08.25 | Secret_Hamster | sometimes it throws a wappy. leave it it'll eventually close down |
| 22:08.30 | bzdoug__ | hows the sn0w? |
| 22:08.31 | bzgirl | hi sn0w_m0nkey |
| 22:08.42 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: heh, I used xkill |
| 22:08.42 | sn0w_m0nkey | too warm here...melting some of it |
| 22:08.47 | bzdoug__ | dont work that great |
| 22:08.51 | bzdoug__ | sn0w_m0nkey: ah |
| 22:09.20 | Secret_Hamster | snow, that's cold stuff int it |
| 22:09.41 | Secret_Hamster | we had about 0.5cm of it last week. went withing two days |
| 22:10.07 | bzdoug__ | we had 3 inches, left in about a week |
| 22:10.16 | stibnite | omg i'm going to scream |
| 22:10.41 | bzdoug__ | we are famous for our large fleet of snow trucks to keep 1 inch of snow down |
| 22:10.44 | Secret_Hamster | at least you can go sledging on 3 inches |
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| 22:10.51 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 22:10.56 | bzdoug__ | hardly |
| 22:11.08 | stibnite | bz where you at? |
| 22:11.10 | Secret_Hamster | we haven't had enough snow to sledge on in over 5 years |
| 22:11.24 | bzdoug__ | where is KDE and GNOME held? |
| 22:11.24 | stibnite | s/bz/mr. doug/ |
| 22:11.33 | stibnite | i hold them both in my heart |
| 22:11.34 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: hehe |
| 22:11.56 | bzdoug__ | stibnite: eh? |
| 22:12.14 | bzdoug__ | noodleman dont like games much |
| 22:12.19 | bzdoug__ | he has one game |
| 22:12.20 | bzdoug__ | bzflag |
| 22:12.23 | stibnite | who are 'we' as in "we are famous for our large fleet of snow trucks" |
| 22:12.26 | Secret_Hamster | our summers are cold (well compared to what summers should be) and damp |
| 22:12.34 | bzdoug__ | the city |
| 22:12.39 | stibnite | i admin for a gameserver company |
| 22:12.41 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: heh |
| 22:12.51 | stibnite | run servers for tribes2, halflife, quake3, you name it. |
| 22:12.54 | stibnite | i play one game |
| 22:12.56 | Secret_Hamster | our winters are just a few degrees colder than our summers and wetter |
| 22:12.57 | stibnite | bzflag |
| 22:13.00 | bzdoug__ | stibnite: hahaha |
| 22:13.07 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: ick |
| 22:13.11 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: where are you? |
| 22:13.19 | Secret_Hamster | UK, midlands |
| 22:13.28 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: cool |
| 22:13.34 | bzdoug__ | fog land |
| 22:13.37 | Secret_Hamster | like now everywhere is just a grey mush |
| 22:13.55 | bzdoug__ | hah |
| 22:14.10 | bzdoug__ | how do I start a window manager? |
| 22:14.17 | bzdoug__ | whats the command to start gnome? |
| 22:14.28 | sn0w_m0nkey | bzflag simple game of death |
| 22:14.28 | Secret_Hamster | outlook is minimal sun, rain cold |
| 22:14.43 | Secret_Hamster | well you start X with startx |
| 22:14.43 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: and slush |
| 22:14.53 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: yea, I got x running |
| 22:15.01 | Secret_Hamster | nope, no slush not cold enough for that, just mud |
| 22:15.06 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 22:15.09 | bzdoug__ | ugh |
| 22:15.38 | bzdoug__ | well all I want is a desktop, how do I start one? |
| 22:16.19 | Secret_Hamster | BZFlag: okay you need to specify what session/window manager you want in your .xsession file in your home directory |
| 22:16.43 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: I dont have that, I am SSHing into the system |
| 22:16.51 | bzdoug__ | I got xeyes to show up |
| 22:17.07 | bzdoug__ | so I want to get something better |
| 22:17.09 | bzdoug__ | like gnome |
| 22:17.14 | bzdoug__ | KDE isnt installed |
| 22:17.29 | Secret_Hamster | well you must have a home directory. You need to find a copy of the .xsession file |
| 22:17.40 | Secret_Hamster | drop that into yours then restart X |
| 22:17.49 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 22:18.18 | Secret_Hamster | do you have to type startx to get a X session? or does it come up automatically? |
| 22:18.18 | BZFlag | or try "wmaker" or "twm" etc... |
| 22:18.25 | Secret_Hamster | wmaker is king |
| 22:18.35 | TimRiker | even works on cygwin |
| 22:18.36 | Secret_Hamster | wmaker rulez |
| 22:18.40 | bzdoug__ | well, right now MY xserver has its own windows manager, I think its TWM, bit now I want the other systems desktop |
| 22:19.00 | bzdoug__ | huh |
| 22:19.02 | Secret_Hamster | bzdoug__: are you sure it has gnome installed |
| 22:19.11 | Secret_Hamster | TWM is normally the last thing loaded |
| 22:19.21 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: he dont have KDE ionstalled |
| 22:19.37 | Secret_Hamster | KDE is awful. mssive bloatware |
| 22:19.49 | bzdoug__ | so gnome is in there someplace |
| 22:19.53 | bzdoug__ | hes got RH8 |
| 22:19.56 | sussudio | if i -ever- see CapN anywhere, i'm kicking him in the nuts. this guy has personal issues and needs to threaten other players. |
| 22:19.57 | Secret_Hamster | so is gnome really. that's why i like wmaker |
| 22:20.08 | bzdoug__ | huh |
| 22:20.12 | Patlabor221 | Windowmaker was way bland |
| 22:20.12 | bzdoug__ | no wmaker installed |
| 22:20.14 | Patlabor221 | didn't like it |
| 22:20.17 | Patlabor221 | too NEXT like |
| 22:20.21 | bzdoug__ | Patlabor221: indeed, I want aqua |
| 22:20.22 | sn0w_m0nkey | sawfish |
| 22:20.31 | Secret_Hamster | Patlabor221: bland? |
| 22:20.35 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:20.37 | bzdoug__ | no fish |
| 22:20.38 | Secret_Hamster | you have got to be joking |
| 22:20.40 | Patlabor221 | least in the sintall I had |
| 22:20.47 | sn0w_m0nkey | everyone has personal issues sussudio |
| 22:20.51 | sn0w_m0nkey | do they not? |
| 22:20.55 | bzdoug__ | Patlabor221: TWM is bland |
| 22:20.57 | sn0w_m0nkey | sawfish :) |
| 22:20.57 | sussudio | appearently |
| 22:21.02 | Secret_Hamster | it's the most skinned system I've seen |
| 22:21.04 | bzdoug__ | sn0w_m0nkey: hmm, only wood chips |
| 22:21.09 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 22:21.09 | sussudio | i dont need Dervish/Spiff/CapN crap |
| 22:21.15 | sussudio | the world is better off without them |
| 22:21.21 | Patlabor221 | I didn't mean skins, I meant layout of "Stuff' |
| 22:21.25 | Secret_Hamster | TWM is very bland supposed to be. it's a minimal system |
| 22:21.31 | Patlabor221 | but maybe I had it installed wrong or something |
| 22:21.31 | bzdoug__ | indeed |
| 22:21.49 | TimRiker | is there a XDMCP server running on the remote box? starting your X server with -broadcast or -query <ip> then you will get the X/gdm/kdm login screen. |
| 22:21.56 | sn0w_m0nkey | becareful what you say...all network gets scanned for those words |
| 22:21.58 | bzdoug__ | hah |
| 22:21.59 | Patlabor221 | Gnome 3 is good enough for me, tho I have been liking the new KDE |
| 22:22.00 | sn0w_m0nkey | ;) |
| 22:22.07 | bzdoug__ | noodleman has his whole family on linux |
| 22:22.15 | Secret_Hamster | Patlabor221: well you have the clip and the dock. what more do you need. infact I know plenty of wmkaer users who don't even use them |
| 22:22.27 | bzdoug__ | TimRiker: I dont think so |
| 22:22.38 | Patlabor221 | I wan't a flipin start menu like thingy :) |
| 22:22.49 | Secret_Hamster | i hate start menu |
| 22:22.56 | bzdoug__ | I like startmenu |
| 22:22.57 | Patlabor221 | your allowd to hate it |
| 22:23.00 | Secret_Hamster | give me right click menu anyday |
| 22:23.06 | Patlabor221 | too much clikcing |
| 22:23.10 | Patlabor221 | that's why gnome blows |
| 22:23.15 | bzdoug__ | hah |
| 22:23.19 | sn0w_m0nkey | clicky clicky |
| 22:23.22 | Patlabor221 | can't see the menu till I right click |
| 22:23.22 | TimRiker | bzdoug__: do you see a xdm/gdm/kdm process in "ps auxw" ? |
| 22:23.31 | Patlabor221 | waste of a mouse click in the object |
| 22:23.42 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 22:24.00 | Secret_Hamster | I mean I have a three buttons. I'd like to use all three, not just he left button |
| 22:24.01 | sn0w_m0nkey | slackware rules :p |
| 22:24.21 | bzdoug__ | no... |
| 22:24.23 | bzdoug__ | I dont see one |
| 22:24.34 | bzdoug__ | and xdm wont run, needs root |
| 22:24.36 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 22:24.38 | Secret_Hamster | TimRiker: if it's not running how is he gonna see it in ps? |
| 22:24.54 | Patlabor221 | yeah I want to use all 3 too, to affect the ojbect I'm using, not waste one on a menu, I'll give screen space to itl |
| 22:25.10 | TimRiker | Secret_Hamster: if a user is logged in with X, then xdm/kdm/gdm might still be running, but not active. |
| 22:25.20 | Secret_Hamster | ahh see what you mean |
| 22:25.33 | bzdoug__ | TimRiker: nope |
| 22:25.44 | TimRiker | bzdoug__: try running Xsession then. |
| 22:25.49 | Secret_Hamster | Patlabor221: well I can only run 1024 max so I need all the space I can get |
| 22:25.57 | bzdoug__ | command not found |
| 22:26.06 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: I run that too |
| 22:26.09 | TimRiker | /etc/X11/Xsession perhaps. |
| 22:26.26 | TimRiker | heh 1600x1200 rox. ;-) |
| 22:26.40 | Patlabor221 | 3600x1200 rox |
| 22:26.49 | bzdoug__ | TimRiker: nope... :) |
| 22:26.52 | Secret_Hamster | I wish |
| 22:27.03 | Patlabor221 | that's my desktop right now |
| 22:27.11 | bzdoug__ | Patlabor221: bah, thats dual monitor, dont count |
| 22:27.15 | Patlabor221 | so |
| 22:27.24 | TimRiker | heh, yep, got that at work. ran 3200x1440 for a while. |
| 22:27.29 | Patlabor221 | it's all one dekstop |
| 22:27.37 | TimRiker | er... 3600x1440 |
| 22:27.48 | Patlabor221 | may go to 3 monitors here in a bit |
| 22:27.56 | Patlabor221 | if I can get hold of some flat pannels |
| 22:28.06 | TimRiker | but no glx with that. had to run dual desktops. |
| 22:28.07 | bzdoug__ | send em to me |
| 22:28.25 | bzdoug__ | send the old monitors to me |
| 22:28.26 | bzdoug__ | :P |
| 22:28.36 | Patlabor221 | not mine to send |
| 22:28.37 | Secret_Hamster | Patlabor221: sounds like your either a) paid too much b) can get very cheap equipment c) both a and b |
| 22:28.38 | TimRiker | which drivers? |
| 22:28.40 | bzdoug__ | Patlabor221: :P |
| 22:28.50 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: C! |
| 22:28.51 | Patlabor221 | nvidias |
| 22:28.59 | Patlabor221 | but I'm not running leeenox |
| 22:29.04 | TimRiker | ah |
| 22:29.15 | Patlabor221 | d) is realy good a procuring stuff |
| 22:29.20 | bzdoug__ | I did see a photo of quack being played |
| 22:29.23 | bzdoug__ | quake |
| 22:29.28 | bzdoug__ | on 5 monitors |
| 22:29.29 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 22:29.30 | Secret_Hamster | I struggle to be able to keep my Duron 850 with a rage128 going |
| 22:29.35 | Patlabor221 | tho I am gonna try dualies with my new radeon 9700 when I put it in a machine |
| 22:29.38 | Patlabor221 | ick a rage |
| 22:29.45 | Patlabor221 | at least get a GF2MX |
| 22:29.49 | Patlabor221 | 35$ |
| 22:29.54 | bzdoug__ | 5 monitor!!! you could see clear around your self |
| 22:29.54 | Secret_Hamster | not over here |
| 22:29.57 | TimRiker | A friend had 2048x2304 running at Caldera with 6 displays at 1024x768. |
| 22:30.04 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: he can ship ya one.. :P |
| 22:30.14 | Patlabor221 | realy we can |
| 22:30.19 | Secret_Hamster | anyway can't afford $35 |
| 22:30.29 | bzdoug__ | Patlabor221: you can ship ME one..... |
| 22:30.36 | Patlabor221 | I think we're geting GF4MX-VI's for like $40 |
| 22:30.42 | bzdoug__ | 40 bucks! |
| 22:30.43 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: so how does bz look? |
| 22:30.44 | Secret_Hamster | unless your paying postal, cheaper for me to buy |
| 22:30.54 | bzdoug__ | they cost 80 at bust bey |
| 22:31.02 | Patlabor221 | on the 9700, havent' run it yet |
| 22:31.13 | Secret_Hamster | over here there like £100 I think |
| 22:31.27 | TimRiker | ~fishslap Patlabor221 for not trying BZ on them first thing. |
| 22:31.31 | | ACTION slaps Patlabor221 up side the head with a wet fish for not trying BZ on them first thing. |
| 22:31.31 | Patlabor221 | best buy blows, and these are VI440's little difrent then a regular 4400 |
| 22:31.39 | Patlabor221 | tim: it's not in a machine yet |
| 22:31.44 | Patlabor221 | forgot to take it home |
| 22:31.52 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 22:32.05 | Patlabor221 | it will be the first thing I test, |
| 22:32.14 | TimRiker | cool. |
| 22:32.16 | Patlabor221 | but there is some hardware swapage before it goes into a machine |
| 22:32.23 | Patlabor221 | got a new mobo to put in there |
| 22:32.31 | Patlabor221 | and roll down the GF3 to the secondary machine |
| 22:32.48 | bzdoug__ | hah |
| 22:32.52 | Patlabor221 | I just got the DVI->Din15 adapter for it today |
| 22:33.17 | Patlabor221 | I'm guessing that it will look the same as it does on the GF4 with AA |
| 22:33.19 | Secret_Hamster | sorry I lie GEFORCE 4 MX 440 DDR TV OUT £52 ($83) |
| 22:33.30 | Patlabor221 | ouch that's spensive |
| 22:33.36 | Secret_Hamster | no idea if that is any good |
| 22:33.48 | Secret_Hamster | Patlabor221: over here that's the cheapest you'll get it |
| 22:33.48 | Patlabor221 | its the best MX |
| 22:33.50 | Patlabor221 | no shaders |
| 22:33.59 | Patlabor221 | but bz don't use shaders |
| 22:34.34 | Patlabor221 | was that 128 or 64 meg? |
| 22:35.45 | bzdoug__ | how do you bloody quit vi? |
| 22:35.47 | Secret_Hamster | Nvidia GF2 MX400 64MB £30 ($48) |
| 22:35.53 | TimRiker | :q |
| 22:35.57 | Patlabor221 | there you go |
| 22:35.57 | Secret_Hamster | [esc] :q |
| 22:36.00 | Patlabor221 | that's a good price |
| 22:36.15 | Patlabor221 | decent little card for the money |
| 22:36.16 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 22:36.34 | Patlabor221 | heck even a TNT is beter then a rage128 |
| 22:36.39 | Secret_Hamster | http://www.web-systems.co.uk/ that's the place. cheapest I've found in the uk by a long shot |
| 22:36.43 | Patlabor221 | I'd even use a voodoo |
| 22:36.54 | Secret_Hamster | Patlabor221: I can't afford a replacement |
| 22:37.14 | Patlabor221 | sell blood :) |
| 22:37.25 | Patlabor221 | sell other peoples blood :) |
| 22:37.29 | Secret_Hamster | I'm unemployed. gonna work as a delivery driver or something similar I think |
| 22:37.37 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: heheeheheheheehh |
| 22:37.44 | bzdoug__ | hamsters driving trucks |
| 22:37.48 | Patlabor221 | it pays the bills |
| 22:37.49 | bzdoug__ | what will the world come to? |
| 22:38.00 | Secret_Hamster | Patlabor221: you don't get much over here for giving blood. £5 say at most. I doubt it's even that |
| 22:38.12 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: every week |
| 22:38.21 | Patlabor221 | well if you get enough people. |
| 22:38.33 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: 7 weeks... :) presto, free grafic card |
| 22:38.43 | Patlabor221 | and free anemia |
| 22:39.14 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 22:39.19 | bzdoug__ | small price to pay |
| 22:39.21 | Secret_Hamster | actaully I don't think such a wise idea for me. my metabolism is so fast I have to eat every 3 to 4 hours or start passing out :) |
| 22:39.30 | TimRiker | ~spell grafic |
| 22:39.33 | | possible spellings for grafic: graphic traffic Graff Graig graft gravid Garrick graphics Garik Graffias Griff RFC graffiti graffito Rafi garlic Garrik tragic Griffie giraffe Graff's Grail Griffin grafter grail grain gravies graving gravity griffin |
| 22:39.35 | Patlabor221 | grafic card = "echa-sketch" |
| 22:39.57 | Patlabor221 | "turn your laptop over and shake it to reboot" |
| 22:40.04 | bzdoug__ | ~dict baka |
| 22:40.14 | bzdoug__ | hum |
| 22:40.16 | Patlabor221 | baka |
| 22:40.22 | bzdoug__ | the word dont EXIST! |
| 22:40.24 | Patlabor221 | bakadigital has the def |
| 22:40.27 | Patlabor221 | yes it does |
| 22:40.33 | Secret_Hamster | oh my good read this https://secure.blood.co.uk/student.html |
| 22:40.40 | Patlabor221 | you just have a very narrow mind |
| 22:40.50 | Patlabor221 | baka |
| 22:40.53 | bzdoug__ | startx dont have a -broadcast nor a -query |
| 22:40.54 | Secret_Hamster | funny. students get paid in biscuits!!!! |
| 22:41.02 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: cool |
| 22:41.19 | Patlabor221 | cookies |
| 22:41.23 | TimRiker | bzdoug__: X does, not startx. "startx -- -broadcast" might work. |
| 22:41.32 | bzdoug__ | k |
| 22:41.53 | Secret_Hamster | actually looks like it's a donation. no payment :( |
| 22:42.00 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 22:42.03 | TimRiker | that's kinda silly though, as you are telling it to start an X server and do the broadcast. what you want is to run Xsession |
| 22:42.30 | bzdoug__ | oh? |
| 22:42.33 | bzdoug__ | how do I do that? |
| 22:42.39 | TimRiker | run Xsession. |
| 22:42.49 | bzdoug__ | hm |
| 22:42.50 | Secret_Hamster | anyway bedtime cya 2mrrw |
| 22:42.54 | bzdoug__ | cygwin has it? |
| 22:43.06 | TimRiker | perhaps... try /etc/X11/Xsession ? |
| 22:43.09 | bzdoug__ | hm |
| 22:43.30 | bzdoug__ | nope |
| 22:43.48 | bzdoug__ | TimRiker!!!! you use WINDOWS!!!?!?! |
| 22:43.50 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 22:44.16 | bzdoug__ | it has xdm |
| 22:44.53 | TimRiker | bzdoug__: rarely, yes. |
| 22:44.57 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 22:44.58 | bzdoug__ | oh |
| 22:47.15 | Patlabor221 | doug you use the tools that best suit your job |
| 22:47.20 | Patlabor221 | and sometimes that's windows |
| 22:47.57 | Patlabor221 | any type of fanatacism tward any single thing has alwlays been a downfall to the fanatic, in any field |
| 22:49.16 | Patlabor221 | abd it proalby don't go well under wine |
| 22:49.42 | TimRiker | if it's a windows app that takes over everything, might as well run it under windows. |
| 22:50.33 | Patlabor221 | makes sense |
| 22:59.17 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 22:59.46 | stibnite | hehe i run vmware on vt10 |
| 22:59.52 | stibnite | nice compromise |
| 23:00.05 | bzdoug__ | need a way to make a DVD with the full OS and programs on it, so if it gets toasted... copy everything over again |
| 23:00.13 | stibnite | (if you have 1G of ram. :) |
| 23:00.23 | bzdoug__ | stibnite: heh |
| 23:00.29 | stibnite | bzdoug__: what os? |
| 23:00.34 | Patlabor221 | doug backup software |
| 23:00.36 | bzdoug__ | windowz |
| 23:00.39 | stibnite | ah. |
| 23:00.43 | bzdoug__ | or linux |
| 23:00.45 | bzdoug__ | or OS X |
| 23:00.55 | bzdoug__ | or anyother OS for that matter |
| 23:01.04 | bzdoug__ | it would need to boot up, and copy all the files over |
| 23:01.08 | bzdoug__ | like nortan ghost |
| 23:01.12 | bzdoug__ | but better |
| 23:01.13 | stibnite | you can make a bootable ghost cd/dvd that includes the ghost program and script to start the operation |
| 23:01.14 | bzdoug__ | :P |
| 23:01.23 | bzdoug__ | yea |
| 23:01.29 | bzdoug__ | but that costs money |
| 23:01.31 | stibnite | for linux, you can do something similar, with an ugly interface, using systemimager |
| 23:01.38 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 23:02.00 | stibnite | actually systemimager can do the same for windows, with less efficient storage of the filesystem data. |
| 23:02.21 | stibnite | or rather, no storage of the filesystem data, just the raw filesystem. |
| 23:02.55 | TimRiker | debian net install cd with a tarball on the rest of the iso should do the same. ;-) |
| 23:03.54 | Patlabor221 | dmanit |
| 23:04.13 | stibnite | 404 |
| 23:04.30 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/webcam.html |
| 23:04.36 | TimRiker | http://www.bakadigital.com/webcam.html <- Patlabor221 meant that. |
| 23:04.36 | TimRiker | heh |
| 23:04.52 | stibnite | hehe |
| 23:04.56 | stibnite | what *is* that? |
| 23:05.11 | Patlabor221 | trying to focus the thing |
| 23:05.43 | stibnite | i replaced the comma, but still got 404. then i pasted the second link, and it worked. i guess i have 'url issues' |
| 23:06.00 | stibnite | looks like a transformer with a machine gun? |
| 23:06.13 | Jormungandr | I've got my best score ever rightnow... 42 points. |
| 23:06.21 | Patlabor221 | sorta |
| 23:06.22 | stibnite | w00t Jormungandr ! |
| 23:06.23 | stibnite | where ? |
| 23:06.39 | Jormungandr | hashmark |
| 23:07.03 | stibnite | nice!@ |
| 23:07.13 | stibnite | any cheaters on there? |
| 23:07.21 | stibnite | or is Vagitarian still playing? |
| 23:07.27 | Jormungandr | vag left |
| 23:07.32 | stibnite | ah |
| 23:07.35 | Jormungandr | no cheaters that I can tell. |
| 23:07.44 | stibnite | cool. please lemme know if any show up. |
| 23:08.12 | stibnite | oh. i didn't paste the 'l' at the end of the url last time. |
| 23:08.40 | bzdoug__ | mouse? |
| 23:08.42 | bzdoug__ | what is that? |
| 23:09.06 | bzdoug__ | computer fans moved |
| 23:09.48 | bzdoug__ | ick |
| 23:09.51 | bzdoug__ | even worse |
| 23:10.00 | stibnite | is that a pez dispenser in the bg? |
| 23:10.11 | bzdoug__ | yup |
| 23:10.20 | bzdoug__ | Patlabor221: sit your self on the desk |
| 23:10.34 | bzdoug__ | ooh, scary |
| 23:10.49 | bzdoug__ | GRAFIC CARD! |
| 23:10.59 | bzdoug__ | geforce? |
| 23:11.01 | bzdoug__ | no |
| 23:11.05 | bzdoug__ | geforce 3 |
| 23:11.14 | bzdoug__ | them are red colored |
| 23:11.48 | bzdoug__ | wow |
| 23:11.51 | bzdoug__ | impressive |
| 23:11.53 | bzdoug__ | hehehe |
| 23:11.54 | stibnite | i wish i had a geforce |
| 23:12.02 | stibnite | they have such good *nix support |
| 23:12.08 | bzdoug__ | I have a GF2MX with 64 megs of ram |
| 23:12.12 | bzdoug__ | works pretty good |
| 23:12.13 | stibnite | nice |
| 23:12.20 | stibnite | i have a matrox g400 dualhead |
| 23:12.23 | bzdoug__ | 34 bucks |
| 23:12.24 | stibnite | good card for an admin |
| 23:12.25 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 23:12.27 | stibnite | bad card for a gamer |
| 23:12.28 | bzdoug__ | indeed |
| 23:12.31 | stibnite | 34 bucks!?!?! |
| 23:12.37 | stibnite | where? |
| 23:12.38 | bzdoug__ | yea |
| 23:12.39 | bzdoug__ | ebay |
| 23:12.39 | bzdoug__ | :P |
| 23:13.01 | stibnite | wow |
| 23:13.06 | stibnite | hey look at that |
| 23:13.18 | bzdoug__ | gets over 64 FPS |
| 23:13.19 | bzdoug__ | in bzflag |
| 23:13.21 | bzdoug__ | what? |
| 23:13.25 | stibnite | NEW 64MB NVIDIA GeFORCE 2 MX 400 AGP $33.95 |
| 23:13.29 | bzdoug__ | hah |
| 23:13.31 | bzdoug__ | same one I have |
| 23:13.33 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 23:13.36 | stibnite | hehe |
| 23:13.42 | stibnite | wht's the best bzflag card? |
| 23:13.42 | bzdoug__ | MX 400 too |
| 23:13.51 | bzdoug__ | the best grafics card |
| 23:14.01 | stibnite | yeah but i don't care about graphics |
| 23:14.05 | bzdoug__ | I dunno, I would like hte Geforce 4 ti 4600 |
| 23:14.08 | stibnite | i care about bzflag. :P |
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| 23:15.04 | Jormungandr | nwill do :) |
| 23:15.04 | Jormungandr | whew.. got 50 points, then down to 49 |
| 23:15.04 | stibnite | doh |
| 23:15.11 | Patlabor221 | offta what a split |
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| 23:16.29 | stibnite | wow $190 on ebay for the gf4 ti 4600 |
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| 23:17.40 | Patlabor221 | good price |
| 23:18.32 | stibnite | what do they normally go for? |
| 23:19.17 | Patlabor221 | 4600's let me check |
| 23:19.26 | Patlabor221 | 128 meg? |
| 23:19.35 | Patlabor221 | with analog and DVI? or dual DVI? |
| 23:19.54 | stibnite | lemme see |
| 23:20.11 | Patlabor221 | but uslay for 220-250 |
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| 23:20.32 | Patlabor221 | that's about the price of a 4400, so a 4600 for that is good |
| 23:20.40 | stibnite | this one is a visiontek 1 dvi |
| 23:20.48 | stibnite | 128MB |
| 23:20.51 | Jormungandr | well, that was fun. |
| 23:21.06 | Patlabor221 | then you can get a DVI to DIN and run duals |
| 23:21.14 | stibnite | ooh |
| 23:21.51 | stibnite | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2087616697&category=3762 |
| 23:21.51 | stibnite | lol |
| 23:21.58 | stibnite | look at the picture of the bag |
| 23:22.13 | stibnite | not the same card as the other picture shows |
| 23:22.18 | stibnite | shady! |
| 23:22.44 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 23:22.45 | Patlabor221 | how can you tell |
| 23:22.57 | bzdoug__ | the power adapor |
| 23:23.01 | stibnite | look at the 4-wire clip in the upper right corner |
| 23:23.06 | stibnite | also the fan |
| 23:23.09 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 23:23.17 | stibnite | and the barrel capacitor count |
| 23:23.26 | bzdoug__ | AND its sealed, so they dint take a photo of it |
| 23:23.31 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 23:23.44 | bzdoug__ | person has 4 feed backs |
| 23:23.45 | bzdoug__ | ugh |
| 23:25.26 | Patlabor221 | no negs, just dosn't seem to do a lot of trading |
| 23:25.31 | Patlabor221 | signed up over a year ago |
| 23:25.35 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 23:25.42 | bzdoug__ | I wouldnt |
| 23:26.03 | Patlabor221 | proalbly just got the main image off a site, it's common to do that |
| 23:26.13 | bzdoug__ | is there geforces with video in? |
| 23:26.17 | Patlabor221 | some |
| 23:26.19 | bzdoug__ | and/or TV tuners? |
| 23:26.29 | Patlabor221 | tuners I don't think so |
| 23:26.31 | bzdoug__ | oh, 333 views so fr |
| 23:26.46 | Patlabor221 | usualy it's just composit and svid in/ out |
| 23:26.52 | Patlabor221 | no RF |
| 23:26.58 | bzdoug__ | hm |
| 23:26.59 | bzdoug__ | bummer |
| 23:27.08 | bzdoug__ | I like these all-in-wonder cards |
| 23:27.12 | bzdoug__ | but its... ATI.. |
| 23:27.13 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 23:27.22 | Patlabor221 | all in craptular |
| 23:27.33 | Patlabor221 | RV is dead |
| 23:27.36 | Patlabor221 | it's crap signal |
| 23:27.39 | bzdoug__ | hah |
| 23:27.45 | Patlabor221 | RF I mean |
| 23:27.53 | bzdoug__ | but soon DTV will rule once again |
| 23:27.55 | Patlabor221 | all about the broadband streaming |
| 23:27.56 | bzdoug__ | er |
| 23:28.05 | bzdoug__ | for the first time |
| 23:28.12 | Patlabor221 | they have steam cabalbe DVD players now :) |
| 23:28.17 | Patlabor221 | with IPs |
| 23:28.21 | bzdoug__ | ? |
| 23:28.27 | bzdoug__ | coool |
| 23:28.31 | bzdoug__ | very cool |
| 23:28.32 | bzdoug__ | where? |
| 23:28.35 | bzdoug__ | website? |
| 23:28.36 | Patlabor221 | DVD players that can stream from the net or your PC |
| 23:28.38 | Patlabor221 | or what ever |
| 23:28.42 | Patlabor221 | was at CES |
| 23:28.45 | bzdoug__ | cpp; |
| 23:28.47 | bzdoug__ | cool |
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