| 00:00.00 | Jormungandr | it's kinda fun to just browse through maps on stats, and play them for 15m at a time. |
| 00:02.08 | Patlabor221 | some of them are scarrrrry tho |
| 00:11.46 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: "the new stuff" ? |
| 00:12.03 | TimRiker | Chestal: symtoms? |
| 00:12.05 | Patlabor221 | I made someting to test the cheat code on 1 |
| 00:12.24 | Patlabor221 | tho it turned out to be someting cooler then a vulgar cheat |
| 00:12.26 | Chestal | TimRiker: the problem is that the new version sends correct FiringInfo |
| 00:12.45 | TimRiker | Chestal: that's a problem? |
| 00:12.58 | Chestal | TimRiker: but when the client receives a MsgShotBegin, it will modify the FIringInfo with the modifiers (e.g. speed for rapid fire) |
| 00:13.15 | Patlabor221 | double fast fire? |
| 00:13.26 | Chestal | yep |
| 00:13.29 | TimRiker | ah. that is lame. |
| 00:13.29 | Patlabor221 | ick |
| 00:13.39 | Chestal | modificatin is don ein ShotStrategy |
| 00:13.57 | TimRiker | on the reciever end, yes? |
| 00:14.09 | Chestal | which is called by ShotPath, and ShotPath gets constructed the same way, whether it is a local or remote shot |
| 00:14.14 | TimRiker | on the reciever end, yes? |
| 00:14.17 | Chestal | although there is a a RemoteShotPath class |
| 00:14.55 | TimRiker | does the receiver know or lookup the flag type? from the shot perhaps then? |
| 00:15.05 | Chestal | yes |
| 00:15.43 | Chestal | one other problem: shot speed modificators are multiplicative and work on shotspeed+tankspeed |
| 00:16.08 | Chestal | IMHO it would make more sense to do showspeed*mod+tankspeed, but client does (shotspeed+tankspeed)*mod |
| 00:16.17 | Chestal | server check uses the other formula |
| 00:17.45 | Patlabor221 | Tim: since you said you didn't have a problem with modified clients as logn as they respected the GPL, I made some changes and posted a tweaked version and it's source |
| 00:17.57 | Patlabor221 | tho there are no "vulgar" changes. |
| 00:18.07 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 00:18.19 | Patlabor221 | well there arn't |
| 00:18.27 | bzdoug__ | yea... |
| 00:18.39 | Patlabor221 | I like to think of it as like BZflag "Indy" edditon |
| 00:18.55 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 00:18.58 | Patlabor221 | little tweaks to give people the tools to show some realy skill |
| 00:19.06 | Chestal | Patlabor: modified versions should normally be made ncompatible with standard servers |
| 00:19.07 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 00:19.30 | Patlabor221 | I want to make it so, but I don't know where to tweak it |
| 00:19.52 | Patlabor221 | I want to see if I can get Jzuan to run a tweaked only server too |
| 00:19.53 | Chestal | good question, I think changign the major version number will work, not sure though |
| 00:20.04 | Patlabor221 | I looked for that, where is it? |
| 00:20.06 | bzdoug__ | AND with BIG worlds... |
| 00:20.27 | Patlabor221 | why big? |
| 00:20.52 | Patlabor221 | the "boost" isn't that helpfull since it makes you turn like a pig |
| 00:20.55 | bzdoug__ | test run or somethin |
| 00:21.07 | Patlabor221 | I tried to keep the things I did ballanced |
| 00:21.29 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 00:21.31 | Patlabor221 | tho If I can make it exclusive to it's own servers I could tweak a lot more |
| 00:21.33 | Chestal | Pat: VERSION in config I think |
| 00:21.46 | Patlabor221 | make the mines stay longer and slowly drop, for example |
| 00:21.58 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 00:22.22 | Chestal | so far my new kernel rocks when compared to my old one |
| 00:22.24 | Patlabor221 | I am thinking about puting a temporarly GM inside the butt end of the tank when it's boosting too so that it looks like you have a rocket |
| 00:22.35 | bzdoug__ | hahah |
| 00:23.36 | Patlabor221 | oh Tim: the fireworks idea won't work since it seems that ether the server or a client ignores shockwaves from a player that dosn't have the flag. |
| 00:24.17 | Chestal | well, I have to go to bed |
| 00:24.21 | Chestal | cu |
| 00:24.29 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
| 00:24.40 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221: you know that sidestep thing don't work on any elevation greater than ground level? |
| 00:25.03 | Patlabor221 | damnit |
| 00:25.09 | Patlabor221 | I know why too |
| 00:25.16 | fiberchunks | well, just thought you'd like to know |
| 00:25.18 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 00:25.29 | Patlabor221 | broke that when I fixed the "can side step while dead" bug |
| 00:25.47 | bzdoug__ | branch this version and make it an official bzflag spin off |
| 00:25.51 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 00:25.58 | Patlabor221 | damn I think this will be the first "cheat client" to ever receve a bug fix |
| 00:26.02 | fiberchunks | neat little hacks tho |
| 00:26.07 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 00:26.17 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 00:26.29 | fiberchunks | I esp like the 'ass-shot' as I've so lovingly dubbed it |
| 00:26.44 | Patlabor221 | I need a new sound for that when it fires |
| 00:26.50 | bzdoug__ | fart? |
| 00:26.53 | fiberchunks | phoot |
| 00:26.54 | Patlabor221 | it is an ass shot |
| 00:27.00 | Patlabor221 | yeah something like phhoot |
| 00:27.04 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@mxfcl5x82.chesco.com) |
| 00:27.12 | bzdoug__ | MrApathyCream: PHOOT!!!! |
| 00:27.13 | Patlabor221 | like a mortar tube sound |
| 00:27.26 | bzdoug__ | MrApathyCream: Patlabor221 has turned into a cheater |
| 00:27.28 | fiberchunks | can you side-step while jumping back? hrm -- didn't try that |
| 00:27.30 | bzdoug__ | MrApathyCream: :P |
| 00:27.33 | Patlabor221 | hello apath |
| 00:27.50 | Patlabor221 | no you should not be able to sidestep at all while in a jump state |
| 00:27.59 | Patlabor221 | this is where it differs from a hack |
| 00:28.07 | fiberchunks | not while -- but at initiation |
| 00:28.08 | Patlabor221 | I added real functions for this stuff |
| 00:28.15 | Patlabor221 | like myTnak->BackJump |
| 00:28.18 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 00:28.45 | fiberchunks | well then, accept my apology, nice piece of work you've done :) |
| 00:28.47 | bzdoug__ | like jump sideways? |
| 00:28.54 | Patlabor221 | the back jump sets your velocity from what ever it was to a vector reversed from your facing vector and up |
| 00:28.55 | fiberchunks | yeah, but back |
| 00:29.01 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 00:29.02 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 00:29.09 | MrApathyCream | howdy all |
| 00:29.16 | Patlabor221 | so no you would not have a sideways momentum |
| 00:29.25 | Patlabor221 | how goes it? |
| 00:29.38 | MrApathyCream | peachy |
| 00:29.52 | Patlabor221 | I would also like to not have the keys hardcoded but have them bound like normal, I just haven't figured out how |
| 00:29.58 | bzdoug__ | even though you would want a new tank model since treads cant strafe |
| 00:30.08 | bzdoug__ | like hover? |
| 00:30.14 | Patlabor221 | MAC do you know where the version number is in BZFlag? |
| 00:30.23 | Patlabor221 | tanks can't jump ether |
| 00:30.24 | MrApathyCream | well, in dsp on windows |
| 00:30.29 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 00:30.38 | Patlabor221 | where, I didn't see it |
| 00:30.43 | MrApathyCream | umm |
| 00:30.51 | Patlabor221 | but yes I could replace it with like the Mk3 model. |
| 00:31.00 | bzdoug__ | kewl |
| 00:31.14 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.15 | Patlabor221 | tho it would not blow up |
| 00:31.20 | MrApathyCream | 1.7g1 |
| 00:31.29 | MrApathyCream | the second 7 is the 7th letter of the alphabet |
| 00:31.42 | Patlabor221 | there it is |
| 00:32.19 | MrApathyCream | Must keep it 1070XXXX to be compatible with current servers |
| 00:32.31 | Patlabor221 | so if I wanted 0.1x1 it would be 0012601 ? |
| 00:32.47 | Patlabor221 | I don't want compatablility |
| 00:33.27 | MrApathyCream | i think it's hex |
| 00:33.33 | MrApathyCream | don't remember |
| 00:33.44 | MrApathyCream | bbl |
| 00:33.45 | Patlabor221 | 1a then |
| 00:33.50 | Patlabor221 | have fun |
| 00:35.20 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 00:35.21 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 00:35.27 | bzdoug__ | well |
| 00:35.39 | bzdoug__ | how hard would it be to have thge tank roll when blown up |
| 00:35.55 | Patlabor221 | what do you mean "roll"? |
| 00:36.41 | bzdoug__ | IF you make it a hover tank, natualy when it gets hit it will roll to the side and hit the ground, making it roll and bounce |
| 00:36.42 | Patlabor221 | no it's NOT Hex |
| 00:37.01 | bzdoug__ | ~bin2dec 10707001 |
| 00:37.01 | | 162133994295758336 |
| 00:37.18 | Patlabor221 | no it's 26 not 1A |
| 00:37.24 | bzdoug__ | ~bin2ascii 162133994295758336 |
| 00:37.45 | Patlabor221 | BZ does not have realy provisions for tank angles other then Z rot |
| 00:37.55 | bzdoug__ | oh |
| 00:38.25 | Patlabor221 | I could make it bob up and down but then you would get sick |
| 00:38.32 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 00:39.01 | bzdoug__ | maybe just sorta fly up into the air then go through the ground? |
| 00:39.09 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 00:39.18 | Patlabor221 | just bob |
| 00:39.26 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 00:39.31 | Patlabor221 | and that would screw with posionals |
| 00:39.39 | bzdoug__ | how hard would it be to change models? |
| 00:39.41 | bzdoug__ | oh |
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| 00:40.36 | Patlabor221 | to change it to a model that wasn't broken up into the current 5 pieces, not realy easy |
| 00:41.23 | Patlabor221 | I can prolaby change it to use 1 LOD and read the parts from a file tho |
| 00:42.27 | bzdoug__ | hm |
| 00:42.46 | bzdoug__ | cuz strafing just dont look right |
| 00:42.47 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 00:42.56 | bzdoug__ | where is the code anyway? |
| 00:43.06 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 00:43.10 | bzdoug__ | I like logs |
| 00:43.11 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 00:43.43 | Patlabor221 | let me update it |
| 00:43.56 | bzdoug__ | k |
| 00:44.00 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 00:44.01 | Patlabor221 | to fix the strafe on building |
| 00:44.03 | bzdoug__ | ok |
| 00:44.10 | Patlabor221 | I'm building new bins now |
| 00:44.14 | bzdoug__ | k |
| 00:44.33 | bzdoug__ | hmm, how hard would it be to add the sound to the rear shot? |
| 00:44.38 | bzdoug__ | I can find a sound |
| 00:44.47 | Patlabor221 | a new sound? |
| 00:44.58 | Patlabor221 | what's it play now just the normal one right? |
| 00:45.06 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 00:45.07 | bzdoug__ | I think |
| 00:45.16 | bzdoug__ | I dint check |
| 00:46.17 | bzdoug__ | hm |
| 00:46.20 | MrApathyCream | local sounds are simple. Need protocol help to play remote sounds |
| 00:46.35 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 00:46.56 | Patlabor221 | well this isn't going to be compatable |
| 00:47.12 | bzdoug__ | so you can break it all you want |
| 00:47.13 | bzdoug__ | :P |
| 00:47.37 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 00:47.59 | Patlabor221 | I'm actualy up there above MAC and Cap |
| 00:50.14 | bzdoug__ | wow |
| 00:50.15 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 00:50.23 | bzdoug__ | I cant get the rear shot and mine thing to work |
| 00:50.30 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 00:50.36 | Patlabor221 | hold down C |
| 00:50.38 | bzdoug__ | hold down the button while shooting |
| 00:50.40 | bzdoug__ | hm |
| 00:50.43 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 00:50.46 | Patlabor221 | it's not a mode |
| 00:50.49 | bzdoug__ | did you update it? |
| 00:50.55 | Patlabor221 | working now |
| 00:50.58 | bzdoug__ | k |
| 00:51.11 | Patlabor221 | building a server in the bin this time |
| 00:54.36 | bzdoug__ | hmm? |
| 00:54.41 | bzdoug__ | whats diferent? |
| 00:54.48 | bzdoug__ | wont let regular clients in? |
| 00:55.07 | bzdoug__ | hah |
| 00:55.12 | bzdoug__ | its poopin out bullets |
| 00:55.20 | bzdoug__ | problem is that the bullets dont last long |
| 00:55.47 | bzdoug__ | rear shot works too |
| 00:55.48 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 00:55.54 | Patlabor221 | ther updated |
| 00:55.57 | bzdoug__ | I should try compiling on a linux box |
| 00:56.00 | bzdoug__ | ok |
| 00:56.07 | bzdoug__ | gonna compile it on a linux system |
| 00:56.17 | Patlabor221 | should be able to sidestep on buildings now |
| 00:56.24 | bzdoug__ | k |
| 00:56.24 | Patlabor221 | and I changed the version |
| 00:56.27 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 00:56.34 | Patlabor221 | and the default list serv |
| 00:56.40 | bzdoug__ | oh? |
| 00:56.44 | bzdoug__ | whats it set at now? |
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| 00:59.26 | bzdoug__ | bah |
| 00:59.29 | Patlabor221 | hmm I need to do one more update |
| 00:59.32 | bzdoug__ | ok |
| 00:59.41 | Patlabor221 | can't have it use the normal bz config |
| 00:59.53 | bzdoug__ | ah |
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| 01:02.09 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 01:02.11 | Patlabor221 | hmmm if this is a branch I can change all the cxx's to cpp :) |
| 01:02.12 | bzdoug__ | thats better |
| 01:02.21 | bzdoug__ | trillian now connects to ICQ and yahoo |
| 01:02.30 | Patlabor221 | I'm soo hapy for you |
| 01:02.32 | bzdoug__ | whats wrong with cxx? |
| 01:02.47 | Patlabor221 | it's ohhhhhhhllllllldddddd |
| 01:02.58 | Patlabor221 | cpp is way cooler |
| 01:03.02 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 01:03.21 | bzdoug__ | anyyhing diferent other than, oh, the extention? |
| 01:03.24 | Patlabor221 | tho then Tim won't be able to build it |
| 01:03.49 | bzdoug__ | hehee |
| 01:04.03 | Patlabor221 | making them all CPP and not mixed cxx and c would make them all use the same compiler in windows |
| 01:04.28 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 01:04.31 | bzdoug__ | wont compile on linux |
| 01:04.48 | Patlabor221 | what happend? |
| 01:04.59 | Patlabor221 | ohh I have to remove the hex |
| 01:05.14 | bzdoug__ | config:28: *** missing seporator. Stop. |
| 01:05.21 | Patlabor221 | yes one sec |
| 01:05.27 | bzdoug__ | k |
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| 01:07.32 | bzdoug__ | wow, where is the IRC client in RH8 |
| 01:07.48 | Patlabor221 | xchat |
| 01:07.53 | bzdoug__ | hm |
| 01:07.57 | bzdoug__ | not on the menu |
| 01:07.58 | bzdoug__ | huh |
| 01:08.03 | Patlabor221 | yes it is |
| 01:08.05 | Patlabor221 | internet |
| 01:08.08 | Patlabor221 | something |
| 01:08.10 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 01:08.16 | bzdoug__ | nope |
| 01:08.26 | bzdoug__ | and I installed EVERYTHING off those 3 cdroms |
| 01:08.29 | bzdoug__ | odd |
| 01:08.50 | bzdoug__ | hmm, its installed |
| 01:08.53 | bzdoug__ | just not in the menu |
| 01:09.35 | *** join/#bzflag tad_ (SteveJobs@216.135.68.133) |
| 01:09.36 | tad_ | ah |
| 01:09.42 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 01:09.44 | Patlabor221 | it was for me |
| 01:09.47 | bzdoug__ | thats strange |
| 01:09.50 | Patlabor221 | ok updated again |
| 01:09.52 | bzdoug__ | ok |
| 01:10.08 | bzdoug__ | it says stevejobs, but I am logging in under the linux box |
| 01:10.22 | Patlabor221 | I need to see if I can con Jzaun into running a server for the thing |
| 01:10.25 | tad_ | hmm |
| 01:10.33 | tad_ | knightmore has a cheat server setup |
| 01:10.40 | tad_ | but its laggy |
| 01:10.41 | Patlabor221 | that's your IP from your nat |
| 01:10.49 | tad_ | so jzaun should |
| 01:10.50 | tad_ | yea |
| 01:10.53 | Patlabor221 | well this won't connect to it |
| 01:10.58 | Patlabor221 | not the new one |
| 01:11.12 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 01:11.17 | Patlabor221 | tho I should change the version back to test it on one |
| 01:11.21 | bzdoug__ | then how will jzaun setup a server? |
| 01:11.29 | Patlabor221 | I don't think Tim's new changes will work |
| 01:11.37 | tad_ | grr, your telling me i cant test it yet? lol |
| 01:11.40 | tad_ | ah |
| 01:11.41 | Patlabor221 | he will have to build this and put it on a port |
| 01:11.46 | tad_ | ah |
| 01:11.46 | tad_ | ok |
| 01:11.47 | Patlabor221 | you can if you run a server |
| 01:11.55 | tad_ | oh... |
| 01:12.05 | Patlabor221 | it just uses a difrent list serv |
| 01:12.09 | Patlabor221 | and version number |
| 01:12.15 | Patlabor221 | so it won't see the other real servers |
| 01:12.34 | Patlabor221 | I am running a new list serv here on baka |
| 01:12.51 | bzdoug__ | k |
| 01:13.15 | bzdoug__ | but for some reason version 1.8 used the same list server but never saw 1.7 servers |
| 01:13.23 | bzdoug__ | why use a second list serv? |
| 01:14.53 | stibnite | is there ANY situation in which a player with GM can kill a player with ST, when the two are at different levels? |
| 01:15.20 | bzdoug__ | stibnite: teleports |
| 01:15.27 | stibnite | no teleports here |
| 01:15.28 | Patlabor221 | maybe if he runs into it or something |
| 01:15.36 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 01:15.50 | bzdoug__ | well, if the GM gets locked onto someone BEHIND the ST guy |
| 01:16.02 | bzdoug__ | the GM will naturely hit the ST guy |
| 01:16.09 | bzdoug__ | but that would just be luck |
| 01:16.10 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 01:17.15 | bzdoug__ | BAH |
| 01:17.18 | bzdoug__ | it still dont compile |
| 01:17.35 | stibnite | i have a guy who really seems to be locking on ST. i just can't prove it. |
| 01:17.36 | bzdoug__ | on linux that is |
| 01:17.41 | bzdoug__ | stibnite: hmm |
| 01:18.31 | bzdoug__ | same error too |
| 01:21.03 | bzdoug__ | so currently it doesnt work on linux |
| 01:22.22 | Patlabor221 | I will try it at home and see what the dillo is |
| 01:22.26 | tad_ | k |
| 01:22.31 | Patlabor221 | or I can try this |
| 01:22.34 | tad_ | hm |
| 01:22.36 | Patlabor221 | CAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:24.12 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 01:24.20 | bzdoug__ | silly web browser wont start |
| 01:27.33 | bzdoug__ | Patlabor221: would your hosting service have fits if you used up more CPU than normal? |
| 01:27.46 | bzdoug__ | like running a highend CGI script? |
| 01:28.23 | bzdoug__ | whats CVS again? |
| 01:28.39 | bzdoug__ | hm |
| 01:28.48 | Patlabor221 | where on baka? |
| 01:28.50 | bzdoug__ | ~cvsbzflag is <reply> co -r v1_7 bzflag |
| 01:28.51 | | bzdoug__: okay |
| 01:28.53 | bzdoug__ | Patlabor221: yea |
| 01:29.05 | Patlabor221 | baka is a computer on the floor next to me dude |
| 01:29.09 | bzdoug__ | oh? |
| 01:29.15 | Patlabor221 | see how my hands touch it |
| 01:29.23 | bzdoug__ | then would you mind if you run a highend CGI script? |
| 01:29.44 | Patlabor221 | define |
| 01:30.06 | bzdoug__ | cgiirc |
| 01:30.18 | bzdoug__ | it uses quite abit of bandwidth and CPU |
| 01:31.15 | Patlabor221 | what does it do? |
| 01:31.26 | bzdoug__ | a IRC client in CGI |
| 01:31.33 | Patlabor221 | what does it run on? |
| 01:31.42 | bzdoug__ | um |
| 01:31.55 | bzdoug__ | I guess anything that runs CGI apps |
| 01:31.59 | bzdoug__ | apache works |
| 01:32.06 | bzdoug__ | I dunno about IIS |
| 01:32.07 | Patlabor221 | you don't know what a CGI is do you? |
| 01:32.13 | bzdoug__ | yea |
| 01:32.17 | Patlabor221 | is it pearl? |
| 01:32.29 | Patlabor221 | is it python? |
| 01:32.32 | bzdoug__ | its an app, that could be anything, perl, python... and runs ON the server |
| 01:32.33 | Patlabor221 | its it executable? |
| 01:32.33 | bzdoug__ | its perl |
| 01:32.41 | Patlabor221 | you don't know do you |
| 01:32.43 | bzdoug__ | perl perl perl |
| 01:32.50 | Patlabor221 | an app is executable code and OS specific |
| 01:32.53 | bzdoug__ | PS the list server is down |
| 01:32.57 | Patlabor221 | so it's not an "app" |
| 01:32.59 | bzdoug__ | ok |
| 01:33.01 | bzdoug__ | script |
| 01:33.03 | bzdoug__ | whatever |
| 01:33.04 | Patlabor221 | ther you go |
| 01:33.09 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 01:33.13 | Patlabor221 | no I don't have pearl installed on the server |
| 01:33.17 | Patlabor221 | it's 2k ISS |
| 01:33.17 | bzdoug__ | darn |
| 01:33.21 | bzdoug__ | ok |
| 01:33.25 | bzdoug__ | now about this listserver |
| 01:33.29 | Patlabor221 | why do you need a cgi? |
| 01:33.43 | bzdoug__ | cuz chat.ircnet.org is disabled |
| 01:33.46 | Patlabor221 | it looks to be running to me |
| 01:33.53 | Patlabor221 | and you don't have an irc client? |
| 01:33.54 | bzdoug__ | and people like xxxxxxxxx used it |
| 01:33.54 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 01:33.59 | bzdoug__ | other people |
| 01:34.22 | bzdoug__ | This service has been shut down due to constant abuse and denial of service attacks on the people hosting it. |
| 01:34.32 | Patlabor221 | yes, and I think tha'ts pralby a good thing |
| 01:34.38 | bzdoug__ | well.... |
| 01:34.44 | bzdoug__ | jzaun still has the link up |
| 01:34.45 | Patlabor221 | since xxx was how shall we say "not so smart" |
| 01:34.48 | bzdoug__ | and some people use it |
| 01:34.58 | bzdoug__ | yea, that was the first name that popped up |
| 01:35.27 | bzdoug__ | and some people dont like java, nor installing software |
| 01:35.35 | bzdoug__ | so the CGIIRC is perfect for them |
| 01:35.47 | bzdoug__ | it even lets people inside firewalls get on |
| 01:38.01 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 01:38.09 | bzdoug__ | list server is down no? |
| 01:41.05 | *** join/#bzflag captain_pistachi (~jupiter@aden2-23-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU) |
| 01:41.05 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_pistachi] by ChanServ |
| 01:41.12 | bzdoug__ | captain_pistachi!!!!! |
| 01:41.42 | bzdoug__ | welcome aboard the peanut |
| 01:41.50 | Patlabor221 | or they could all just get x-chat or MIRC |
| 01:41.53 | bzdoug__ | if you will follow me to the bridge... |
| 01:42.19 | bzdoug__ | Patlabor221: but somepeople dont want to install IRC software to play a tournament.... |
| 01:42.31 | Patlabor221 | life is pain |
| 01:44.21 | Patlabor221 | I can't dedicate that much bandwith to something like that |
| 01:44.45 | Patlabor221 | I'm only on a T1 |
| 01:45.41 | bzdoug__ | only? |
| 01:45.45 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 01:45.53 | bzdoug__ | not THAT much bandwidth |
| 01:46.07 | bzdoug__ | it would use roughly about 2 irc sessions at the same time |
| 01:46.13 | bzdoug__ | one goin out |
| 01:46.21 | bzdoug__ | one goin to the IRC server |
| 01:46.31 | bzdoug__ | its just the cpu usage |
| 01:47.33 | Patlabor221 | you said a lot of bandwith |
| 01:48.19 | bzdoug__ | for a CGI script yea |
| 01:48.25 | bzdoug__ | but not terribly too much |
| 01:48.33 | bzdoug__ | you could test it |
| 01:48.43 | Patlabor221 | tell me how much |
| 01:48.49 | Patlabor221 | of each |
| 01:49.03 | bzdoug__ | ? |
| 01:49.06 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 01:49.37 | bzdoug__ | I dunno, a IRC connection is only maybe 3 packets a min, unless its active |
| 01:49.47 | bzdoug__ | then its a packet for each message |
| 01:49.52 | bzdoug__ | I think |
| 01:50.07 | bzdoug__ | then you would have the outgoin http |
| 01:50.39 | bzdoug__ | thats what uses up the bandwidth, cuz its got a refreshing page, among other things |
| 01:50.56 | bzdoug__ | also if you setup a apache server, you could get a Wiki setup too |
| 01:51.00 | bzdoug__ | and maybe a forum |
| 01:51.35 | bzdoug__ | whats a good video player in linux? |
| 01:51.41 | bzdoug__ | there is non in the menu |
| 01:52.29 | fiberchunks | xine |
| 01:53.06 | bzdoug__ | k |
| 01:53.16 | bzdoug__ | nope, not installed... |
| 01:53.28 | bzdoug__ | there should be SOMETHING installed by default in RH |
| 01:53.30 | *** join/#bzflag jzaun (~jzaun@jzaun.static.telerama.com) |
| 01:53.50 | bzdoug__ | jzaun: !!!! |
| 01:53.53 | jzaun | :-) |
| 01:53.56 | jzaun | I just found out |
| 01:54.00 | bzdoug__ | jzaun: we need you to run a server! |
| 01:54.02 | bzdoug__ | jzaun: what? |
| 01:54.03 | jzaun | I've been accepted back to college |
| 01:54.07 | bzdoug__ | hah |
| 01:54.09 | bzdoug__ | congrats |
| 01:54.13 | jzaun | thanks |
| 01:54.32 | jzaun | what server? |
| 01:54.44 | bzdoug__ | bzflag-extreem server |
| 01:54.56 | bzdoug__ | Patlabor221's super duper hacked client |
| 01:55.02 | bzdoug__ | but it needs a server... |
| 01:55.03 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 01:55.20 | jzaun | let me work on something |
| 01:55.22 | bzdoug__ | the tank can now strafe, lay mines, and shoot out its rear |
| 01:55.25 | bzdoug__ | k |
| 01:55.28 | jzaun | I saw |
| 01:55.37 | fiberchunks | bzdoug__: try mplayer |
| 01:55.39 | Patlabor221 | ok importnat safety tip, don't drop mines and drive backwards |
| 01:55.42 | fiberchunks | or ogle |
| 01:55.45 | bzdoug__ | k |
| 01:55.46 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 01:55.52 | Patlabor221 | ass shot roxors |
| 01:55.52 | bzdoug__ | Patlabor221: hahaha |
| 01:56.22 | Patlabor221 | jzuan: I made it incompatable with existing verisons |
| 01:56.23 | bzdoug__ | nope |
| 01:56.28 | bzdoug__ | none of those are installed |
| 01:56.30 | bzdoug__ | grr |
| 01:56.44 | Patlabor221 | so I need a server that runs it |
| 01:56.56 | Patlabor221 | AIW? |
| 01:57.02 | bzdoug__ | all-in-wonder |
| 01:57.06 | jzaun | Patlabor221: thats a good thing I think |
| 01:57.09 | bzdoug__ | rage 129 AIW |
| 01:57.20 | Patlabor221 | yes I think it is too |
| 01:57.21 | bzdoug__ | jzaun: indeed, exept there is no servers yet |
| 01:57.28 | bzdoug__ | heck, no list server either |
| 01:57.29 | Patlabor221 | then I can do protocoll busting stuff on it |
| 01:57.38 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 01:57.53 | Patlabor221 | how would you know if there was a list serv if there are no servers? |
| 01:58.12 | bzdoug__ | cuz it says it cant find the listserver |
| 01:58.18 | bzdoug__ | right there. |
| 01:59.15 | Patlabor221 | when it fires up? |
| 01:59.29 | Patlabor221 | I don't see that |
| 01:59.44 | bzdoug__ | when I try accessing the serverlist |
| 01:59.48 | bzdoug__ | I tried it |
| 02:00.09 | bzdoug__ | says cant open list server |
| 02:00.15 | bzdoug__ | :bakadigital etc... |
| 02:02.42 | Patlabor221 | does bzfls have paramaters? |
| 02:03.01 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 02:03.10 | bzdoug__ | I dont know |
| 02:03.59 | bzdoug__ | hmm, if you put a -something after it it says it cant open the file |
| 02:04.08 | bzdoug__ | so maybe you need to point it AT a file someplace |
| 02:04.09 | Patlabor221 | I know |
| 02:06.44 | Patlabor221 | see I need someones help who knows about this kinda stuff |
| 02:06.54 | bzdoug__ | read the source? |
| 02:07.42 | Patlabor221 | doing so now, but often stuff is not allways aperant |
| 02:07.51 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 02:08.11 | Patlabor221 | it does seem to do something with a file |
| 02:08.32 | bzdoug__ | the file |
| 02:08.40 | bzdoug__ | maybe you put the file on the webserver |
| 02:08.48 | Patlabor221 | I don't know what the file is suposed to have tho |
| 02:08.51 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 02:08.54 | bzdoug__ | the listserver file |
| 02:09.33 | bzdoug__ | http://www.bakadigital.com/list-server.txt |
| 02:09.47 | bzdoug__ | exept that file doesnt seem to be there |
| 02:09.59 | bzdoug__ | http://BZFlag.SourceForge.net/list-server.txt |
| 02:10.02 | bzdoug__ | like that file |
| 02:10.08 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 02:10.12 | Patlabor221 | that is someting else |
| 02:10.17 | bzdoug__ | hm? |
| 02:10.31 | Patlabor221 | and I have http://www.bakadigital.com/list-server.txt |
| 02:10.52 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 02:10.56 | bzdoug__ | now I see it |
| 02:11.14 | bzdoug__ | it works now |
| 02:11.14 | Patlabor221 | I had _ instead of - in the file name |
| 02:11.19 | Patlabor221 | huzahhh |
| 02:11.34 | Patlabor221 | start a public server |
| 02:11.36 | bzdoug__ | k |
| 02:12.48 | bzdoug__ | grr |
| 02:12.57 | bzdoug__ | need to modify it so it has 100 shots again |
| 02:12.59 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 02:13.15 | bzdoug__ | server is up |
| 02:13.19 | bzdoug__ | but I dunno if it shows up |
| 02:13.29 | Patlabor221 | I don't see it |
| 02:13.31 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 02:14.02 | bzdoug__ | bzfs -ms 100 -j -world circle.map -printscore -noudp -public bzdougs_wacky_PERFECTCIRCLE_map -publicaddr 216.135.68.133 -publiclist http://www.bakadigital.com/list-server.txt -fb +r -r |
| 02:14.21 | bzdoug__ | should work no? |
| 02:14.26 | Patlabor221 | don't you need "" around the description? |
| 02:14.29 | bzdoug__ | works on the regular server |
| 02:14.30 | bzdoug__ | no |
| 02:14.31 | Patlabor221 | ad the URL and all that |
| 02:14.39 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 02:14.39 | bzdoug__ | no |
| 02:14.47 | bzdoug__ | it worked fine on the regular server |
| 02:15.07 | Patlabor221 | ms 100 won't work I don't think |
| 02:15.13 | bzdoug__ | yea |
| 02:15.22 | bzdoug__ | says: using maximum number of shots of 10 |
| 02:15.37 | bzdoug__ | odd |
| 02:15.40 | bzdoug__ | bug captain_proton about it |
| 02:15.41 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 02:16.09 | bzdoug__ | ok then, try connecting directly |
| 02:16.14 | bzdoug__ | heck.no-ip.com |
| 02:16.23 | *** join/#bzflag gonkulator (~brandon@h-66-167-166-112.DNVTCO56.covad.net) |
| 02:16.24 | Patlabor221 | I am more woried about why it won't go on leeenox |
| 02:17.01 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 02:17.06 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 02:17.07 | Patlabor221 | you sure you hooked it up |
| 02:17.10 | bzdoug__ | must be me |
| 02:17.12 | bzdoug__ | yea |
| 02:17.16 | bzdoug__ | um |
| 02:17.18 | bzdoug__ | now it works |
| 02:17.24 | bzdoug__ | 0-0 I am the friggin walrus |
| 02:17.42 | Patlabor221 | well I am |
| 02:25.06 | *** join/#bzflag bzdoug_ (SteveJobs@216.135.68.133) |
| 02:25.14 | bzdoug_ | that was fun |
| 02:25.16 | Patlabor221 | I need to send the sidestep info to the other clients so they can use it in there predictions |
| 02:25.28 | Patlabor221 | you need to learn how to lead a target |
| 02:25.32 | bzdoug_ | I got my move down good |
| 02:25.34 | Patlabor221 | did the tanks look correct for you? |
| 02:25.36 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 02:25.40 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 02:25.42 | bzdoug_ | the tanks looked ok, but laggy |
| 02:25.50 | Patlabor221 | for me they are missing the treads |
| 02:25.55 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 02:26.01 | bzdoug_ | well, I dint notice that |
| 02:26.03 | Patlabor221 | when you sidestep it screws up the prediction |
| 02:26.06 | bzdoug_ | you was rouge |
| 02:26.10 | bzdoug_ | so I couldnt see |
| 02:26.13 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 02:26.50 | Patlabor221 | I want to change how I'm doing it |
| 02:27.00 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 02:27.14 | Patlabor221 | I want to modify the vector when you are sidesteping and not the positon |
| 02:27.21 | Patlabor221 | hmm that would let you side jump |
| 02:27.35 | bzdoug_ | that would be cool |
| 02:27.47 | Patlabor221 | tho it would be hard, hiting a and tab at the same time |
| 02:28.01 | bzdoug_ | but then while holding down w, a and the mouse foward, it ties up bzflag so it cant jump |
| 02:28.08 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 02:28.17 | bzdoug_ | I use my pinky |
| 02:28.31 | Patlabor221 | I do not like BZs event maping stuff |
| 02:28.38 | Patlabor221 | not how I'm used to doing it |
| 02:28.38 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 02:28.43 | Patlabor221 | I see why it does it |
| 02:28.45 | bzdoug_ | then fix it |
| 02:28.53 | Patlabor221 | that is a LARGE change |
| 02:29.07 | bzdoug_ | if you allready fixed it to work with only your stuff, then you can break something with other clients |
| 02:29.08 | Patlabor221 | change to a button state that would be big |
| 02:29.13 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 02:31.13 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 02:31.17 | bzdoug_ | second eh? |
| 02:32.17 | bzdoug_ | what Xfree comes with RH8? |
| 02:32.21 | bzdoug_ | how do I find out? |
| 02:32.23 | Patlabor221 | you can't count livestokc |
| 02:32.25 | Patlabor221 | ohhh got |
| 02:32.26 | Patlabor221 | god |
| 02:32.33 | bzdoug_ | no, in size |
| 02:32.36 | Patlabor221 | relaly you hav no clue what you are doing |
| 02:32.46 | Patlabor221 | I mean realy realy realy realy? |
| 02:32.53 | bzdoug_ | ? |
| 02:32.55 | Patlabor221 | what is xfree? |
| 02:33.00 | bzdoug_ | X11 |
| 02:33.08 | Patlabor221 | and what is that? |
| 02:33.27 | bzdoug_ | the thingy that put the mousy on the screeny and makes a gui |
| 02:33.57 | Patlabor221 | and what is displayed on your redhat machine now? |
| 02:34.10 | bzdoug_ | a desktop |
| 02:34.12 | jzaun | Patlabor221: where can I get bzefs from? |
| 02:34.18 | fiberchunks | bzdoug_: grep the log in /var/log/XFree86.0.log around the top line for the version you're using |
| 02:34.35 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: http://www.bakadigital.com/bzx/ |
| 02:34.40 | Patlabor221 | yeah that |
| 02:34.42 | bzdoug_ | k, thc |
| 02:34.44 | bzdoug_ | thx |
| 02:34.53 | fiberchunks | prefer thc ;) |
| 02:34.58 | *** join/#bzflag jolly (~bzjolly81@jvnineteen.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 02:35.08 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 02:36.25 | jzaun | [bzflag@jzaun bzflagX-Src]$ make |
| 02:36.25 | jzaun | make -f Make-sys default |
| 02:36.25 | jzaun | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/bzflag/Devel/bzflagX-Src' |
| 02:36.25 | jzaun | config:28: *** missing separator. Stop. |
| 02:36.25 | jzaun | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/bzflag/Devel/bzflagX-Src' |
| 02:36.43 | bzdoug_ | 4.2 |
| 02:36.53 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: yea... |
| 02:36.58 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: patches welcome |
| 02:37.00 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 02:37.11 | bzdoug_ | it should be easy to fix... riiiight Patlabor221? |
| 02:37.35 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: I get the same thing over here.... so at least I know its not me |
| 02:38.31 | jzaun | when its fixed I'll run the server |
| 02:39.37 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: bah, goin the easy way out |
| 02:39.44 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 02:40.01 | jzaun | Patlabor221: forgot a = sign |
| 02:40.05 | jzaun | line 28 in config |
| 02:42.02 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: nice work |
| 02:42.08 | bzdoug_ | I shall give you a raise |
| 02:42.20 | jzaun | 20K raise plz |
| 02:42.23 | bzdoug_ | I meant a raison |
| 02:42.26 | jzaun | check sent to my |
| 02:42.31 | bzdoug_ | huh |
| 02:42.32 | jzaun | I'll msg you my addr |
| 02:42.35 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 02:42.42 | bzdoug_ | sure |
| 02:42.48 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 02:45.20 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@mxfcl1x13.chesco.com) |
| 02:46.06 | jzaun | bzdoug_: try to connect to jzaun.com:5156 with BZ Extreme |
| 02:46.41 | bzdoug_ | k |
| 02:46.54 | Patlabor221 | ok I'll fix that up when I get home |
| 02:47.06 | jzaun | bzdoug_: can you connect? |
| 02:47.43 | bzdoug_ | very neat |
| 02:47.46 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 02:47.49 | bzdoug_ | it works |
| 02:47.56 | bzdoug_ | AND I can jump-strafe |
| 02:48.07 | jzaun | bzdoug_: did you connect? |
| 02:48.07 | Patlabor221 | I could not get in |
| 02:48.11 | Patlabor221 | how can you do that? |
| 02:48.26 | bzdoug_ | hm |
| 02:48.34 | bzdoug_ | I just pressed a and tab |
| 02:48.38 | bzdoug_ | no forward |
| 02:48.42 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: yea |
| 02:48.44 | jzaun | strafe & hit tab |
| 02:48.57 | jzaun | I'de guess |
| 02:49.10 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 02:49.15 | bzdoug_ | server is down now |
| 02:49.24 | bzdoug_ | and it never showed up in the list |
| 02:49.51 | jzaun | bzdoug_, Patlabor221 & others: you can launch a BZFE server from stats |
| 02:49.51 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: the server list is http://www.bakadigital.com/list-server.txt |
| 02:49.59 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: yay |
| 02:50.03 | bzdoug_ | is it an option? |
| 02:50.27 | jzaun | Click on a World tile from the World list, click the "Launch Server" link |
| 02:50.29 | Patlabor221 | coo |
| 02:50.39 | jzaun | pick BZFlag Extreme as a game type |
| 02:50.42 | bzdoug_ | oh cool |
| 02:50.47 | Patlabor221 | ooooooo |
| 02:50.53 | bzdoug_ | thats sooo slick |
| 02:51.04 | Patlabor221 | Tim: can I change the name in the Startup screen in my bz? |
| 02:51.20 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: how hard would it be to setup a jzaun rotating server for it? |
| 02:51.35 | MrApathyCream | Heh, you can now, now that there's i18n |
| 02:51.47 | MrApathyCream | msgid "BZFlag" |
| 02:51.52 | jzaun | bzdoug_: sry, nope |
| 02:51.53 | MrApathyCream | msgstr "PatLabor is God" |
| 02:51.54 | Patlabor221 | MAC I mean like everywhere and the images |
| 02:52.07 | Patlabor221 | and is he ok with that |
| 02:52.16 | MrApathyCream | heh, that's another question :) |
| 02:52.24 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: ? |
| 02:52.45 | Patlabor221 | too much BW allready? |
| 02:53.01 | bzdoug_ | it would be under modifications and be GPLed... I guess it dont matter |
| 02:53.06 | bzdoug_ | as long as it said bzflag |
| 02:53.09 | jzaun | bzdoug_: its wouldn't be hard, but that would requires more ports open... and more bandwidth usage |
| 02:53.15 | bzdoug_ | if you put bzflag extreme on it... |
| 02:53.19 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: ah |
| 02:53.35 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: but only 3 people right now use it... :) |
| 02:53.40 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 02:53.44 | jzaun | if someone would like to pay the $50 for the next level of BW usage I'll be more than happy to run it |
| 02:53.48 | Patlabor221 | would you run a screamers server? :) |
| 02:53.59 | bzdoug_ | screamers? |
| 02:53.59 | Patlabor221 | $50 a month? |
| 02:54.02 | Patlabor221 | or a year? |
| 02:54.27 | jzaun | Patlabor221: will it understand the BZF map format? |
| 02:54.40 | jzaun | Patlabor221: month |
| 02:54.43 | Patlabor221 | presnelty no |
| 02:54.54 | Patlabor221 | but I could make a converter that would vert any map |
| 02:55.07 | jzaun | Patlabor221: I pay 80 now, next level is 130 though |
| 02:55.11 | bzdoug_ | is screamers a game that works (playable, etc)? |
| 02:55.29 | Patlabor221 | it's just killin ya isn't it doug? |
| 02:55.41 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: in real time? so it could tell it to open this world with these settings... and just convert them on the fly? |
| 02:55.51 | jzaun | Patlabor221: if you could make a verter I could add it to the Game Type launch option |
| 02:55.55 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: I dont know, I never seen it run |
| 02:56.25 | Patlabor221 | I cold proabaly make the world class read both |
| 02:56.38 | bzdoug_ | hm |
| 02:56.44 | Patlabor221 | since it knows if it's a WLD1 file or not |
| 02:57.19 | bzdoug_ | also screamers would have to be roughly compatible with the bzfs command line or jzaun would have to add some settings |
| 02:57.22 | jzaun | Patlabor221: That would be very cool & just a simple drop-in to make it work with the stats database |
| 02:57.52 | jzaun | bzdoug_: not really, just change the screamer.script to use its switches |
| 02:57.58 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: you got any source or bins of screamers out? |
| 02:57.59 | Patlabor221 | those bz worlds would just use the defaults for world type, sky, fog, and texture ect... |
| 02:58.00 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: ahhh |
| 02:58.20 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: oh cool, fog, next you will have furrieness level |
| 02:58.20 | *** join/#bzflag victorvdl (~victorvdl@ip21.174-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com) |
| 02:58.28 | bzdoug_ | 'lo victorvdl |
| 02:58.45 | Patlabor221 | it does not use pixel shaders |
| 02:59.07 | bzdoug_ | ~add topic bzflag extreme! http://www.bakadigital.com/bzx/ |
| 02:59.10 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 02:59.14 | bzdoug_ | yet |
| 02:59.18 | victorvdl | bzdoug_: 'lo |
| 02:59.18 | Patlabor221 | no don't do that yet |
| 02:59.29 | Patlabor221 | I still need to work it's kinks out |
| 02:59.29 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 02:59.39 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't even comp on linux |
| 02:59.40 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 02:59.45 | bzdoug_ | ibot seems to be dead anyway |
| 02:59.46 | | bzdoug_: i haven't a clue |
| 02:59.52 | bzdoug_ | then again, maybe not |
| 03:00.14 | Patlabor221 | and I want to see how Tim feels about it before the mega tout. |
| 03:00.24 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 03:00.31 | bzdoug_ | your at "work"? |
| 03:00.32 | Patlabor221 | bbi15 |
| 03:00.40 | bzdoug_ | k |
| 03:00.48 | Patlabor221 | yes I am at Gibbs & associates |
| 03:00.53 | Patlabor221 | in my cube |
| 03:00.55 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 03:01.01 | bzdoug_ | working on work..... |
| 03:01.03 | bzdoug_ | like games |
| 03:01.04 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 03:01.10 | Patlabor221 | with pictures of booboes on the screen |
| 03:01.18 | bzdoug_ | all the better for free stuff |
| 03:01.29 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: up for a game of bze? |
| 03:01.36 | jzaun | bzdoug_: not right now, sry |
| 03:01.42 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 03:01.51 | *** part/#bzflag victorvdl (~victorvdl@ip21.174-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com) |
| 03:01.59 | bzdoug_ | not him I guess |
| 03:02.03 | bzdoug_ | MrApathyCream? |
| 03:02.21 | bzdoug_ | scanline? |
| 03:02.23 | bzdoug_ | captain_proton? |
| 03:02.26 | bzdoug_ | corndawg? |
| 03:02.36 | corndawg | huh? |
| 03:02.37 | bzdoug_ | ~dict Jormungandr |
| 03:02.40 | corndawg | oh |
| 03:02.44 | corndawg | cant atm.. fixin somethin |
| 03:02.50 | bzdoug_ | corndawg: oh... |
| 03:02.52 | bzdoug_ | shoot |
| 03:03.45 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 03:03.47 | bzdoug_ | BZX |
| 03:03.53 | bzdoug_ | looks better too, I guess |
| 03:03.58 | MrApathyCream | bzdoug? |
| 03:04.02 | bzdoug_ | MrApathyCream? |
| 03:04.11 | bzdoug_ | MrApathyCream: up for a game in BZX? |
| 03:04.15 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 03:04.23 | MrApathyCream | nah |
| 03:04.26 | bzdoug_ | bah |
| 03:04.27 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 03:06.51 | bzdoug_ | ~bzfquery jzaun.com:5156 |
| 03:07.00 | bzdoug_ | humhp |
| 03:13.06 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-64-173-106-115.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 03:13.14 | bzdoug_ | 'lo Patlabor221 |
| 03:13.24 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 03:13.35 | bzdoug_ | soo, jzaun seems to work A-OK with bzfx |
| 03:13.54 | Patlabor221 | hmmm rather nice of them to keep the docking stations the same between the insperon 7000 and 7500 |
| 03:14.02 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 03:14.08 | bzdoug_ | specs? |
| 03:14.14 | Patlabor221 | inall it's 15lb glory |
| 03:14.18 | bzdoug_ | ugh |
| 03:14.30 | Patlabor221 | ohh just an insperon 7500 with a P3 600 |
| 03:14.32 | Patlabor221 | and some ram |
| 03:14.36 | Patlabor221 | and stuff |
| 03:14.39 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 03:14.46 | Patlabor221 | do you have 3.5k? |
| 03:14.52 | bzdoug_ | hmm, nope |
| 03:14.53 | Patlabor221 | this was efectivly free |
| 03:15.03 | Patlabor221 | and I had a 333 celly before |
| 03:15.09 | bzdoug_ | but if you want to donate money to it, I accept paypal at my email address |
| 03:15.12 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 03:15.18 | bzdoug_ | thats better |
| 03:16.00 | bzdoug_ | up for a game on jzaun.. .:P |
| 03:17.43 | Patlabor221 | no I need to work on this |
| 03:17.48 | Patlabor221 | the sidestep isn't right |
| 03:17.53 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 03:18.33 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 03:18.57 | bzdoug_ | ~bzquery jzaun.com:5156 |
| 03:19.14 | bzdoug_ | grrr, sounds like something dint start up right |
| 03:19.50 | bzdoug_ | aha |
| 03:20.00 | bzdoug_ | someone started up a server before I did |
| 03:20.18 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: its not possible to start 2 or more servers at the same time? |
| 03:20.22 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 03:20.27 | Patlabor221 | they use the same ports |
| 03:20.27 | bzdoug_ | they use the same ports... |
| 03:21.05 | Patlabor221 | you can't start 2 bzflag server there |
| 03:27.41 | *** join/#bzflag lurgyman (~lurgyman@aden2-23-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU) |
| 03:28.19 | jzaun | bzdoug_: nope, just one custom server at a time |
| 03:28.23 | bzdoug_ | awww |
| 03:28.28 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 03:28.36 | bzdoug_ | no 5157 server? |
| 03:28.42 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 03:28.43 | jzaun | less you want me to open a bunch of ports... |
| 03:28.49 | bzdoug_ | sure! :) |
| 03:29.16 | Patlabor221 | realy if you have nothing else running on those ports, what can they do? |
| 03:29.17 | jzaun | bzdoug_: I will do that, for the low low price of 10 dollars per port per day |
| 03:29.50 | jzaun | open more to a hacker |
| 03:30.08 | Patlabor221 | what would they hack? |
| 03:30.19 | jzaun | bz |
| 03:30.22 | jzaun | my comp |
| 03:30.26 | jzaun | in general me |
| 03:30.35 | Patlabor221 | is 5155-5160 more dangerous then 5155 and 5156 in that case? |
| 03:30.50 | Patlabor221 | you still have open ports that can be hacked |
| 03:30.56 | jzaun | but less |
| 03:31.03 | Patlabor221 | how? |
| 03:31.11 | jzaun | less ports |
| 03:31.11 | Patlabor221 | they arn't "special" |
| 03:31.24 | Patlabor221 | I don't see how number of ports goes into it |
| 03:31.30 | jzaun | you'll have to get fiberchunks' ok... hes my security guide |
| 03:31.40 | Patlabor221 | unless there is another service that is responding on those ports |
| 03:31.46 | Patlabor221 | now I'm not saying open them up |
| 03:32.14 | Patlabor221 | just questioning the comment |
| 03:32.22 | bzdoug_ | indeed |
| 03:32.31 | jzaun | I always though less was better than more in this case |
| 03:32.33 | bzdoug_ | if bzfs is the only server responding to those ports... |
| 03:32.35 | Patlabor221 | I can see the need to close ports for other services that you don't use, like mail and tuff |
| 03:32.47 | Patlabor221 | in that case less is better |
| 03:33.01 | bzdoug_ | but if nothin is attached to those ports, they aint gonna do any harm |
| 03:33.09 | bzdoug_ | they just sit there... |
| 03:33.20 | bzdoug_ | nothing goin in, nothin goin out |
| 03:33.21 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 03:33.22 | Patlabor221 | it's all about knowing what is listening on those ports |
| 03:33.32 | jzaun | fine fine fine |
| 03:33.38 | bzdoug_ | lurgyman: ugh |
| 03:33.46 | Patlabor221 | a bz server on 5156 has the same potental to be expolited as any other port |
| 03:33.48 | bzdoug_ | lurgyman: thats what I say: ugh |
| 03:33.58 | lurgyman | bzdoug_: couldn't agree more |
| 03:34.04 | lurgyman | about the ugh |
| 03:34.04 | bzdoug_ | lurgyman: heh |
| 03:34.10 | bzdoug_ | lurgyman: then why use it? |
| 03:34.29 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: or people who dont know how to run a firewall? (work etc) |
| 03:34.37 | lurgyman | bzdoug_: because once it's installed, it's uber-hyper-over-optimized |
| 03:34.45 | lurgyman | bzdoug_: and really fast |
| 03:34.55 | bzdoug_ | lurgyman: sure, whatever you say |
| 03:34.57 | lurgyman | bzdoug_: and convenient for upgrading |
| 03:35.06 | bzdoug_ | lurgyman: yea... |
| 03:35.18 | lurgyman | bzdoug_: it's like redhat except without the evil rpms |
| 03:35.19 | bzdoug_ | jzaun.com:5255? |
| 03:35.32 | lurgyman | and you also get to avoid the ugly icons that come with bluecurve |
| 03:35.32 | fiberchunks | hrm? you don't need my ok for anything -- do what you want |
| 03:35.37 | bzdoug_ | lurgyman: and about 20000 times more harder and longer to install |
| 03:35.45 | Patlabor221 | am I right fiber tho? |
| 03:35.49 | bzdoug_ | lurgyman: hah |
| 03:35.58 | bzdoug_ | me too |
| 03:36.04 | Patlabor221 | it's not gonna kill him hackablity wize if he runs 2 servers or 10 |
| 03:36.06 | bzdoug_ | fiberchunks: am I right... |
| 03:36.12 | jzaun | ok, one BZFE and one BZF custom launches can run at the same time |
| 03:36.14 | fiberchunks | true - if there's no server listening on that port, then it shouldn't be a problem |
| 03:36.15 | Patlabor221 | doug you are never right |
| 03:36.22 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: huh |
| 03:36.39 | Patlabor221 | you heard me |
| 03:36.39 | fiberchunks | just more ports to ping against, I wager |
| 03:36.58 | Patlabor221 | yeah but they still can't do anything with them |
| 03:37.08 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 03:37.12 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: tanks.... |
| 03:37.21 | jzaun | bzdoug_: any time |
| 03:37.28 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 03:37.32 | *** part/#bzflag lurgyman (~lurgyman@aden2-23-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU) |
| 03:37.32 | Patlabor221 | mayyyyyybe use it to ping flod the server a little more |
| 03:37.33 | bzdoug_ | lurgyman: HONK! |
| 03:37.41 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: heh |
| 03:37.49 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: hmm |
| 03:37.56 | fiberchunks | speaking of which -- has bzfs ever been banged against the security wall, so to speak? |
| 03:38.23 | Patlabor221 | I dono |
| 03:38.33 | bzdoug_ | fiberchunks: heh, there aint much to the bzfs code... |
| 03:38.37 | Patlabor221 | should proably see how it handles buffer overflows and stuch |
| 03:38.48 | fiberchunks | that's what I was getting at ^^^^^^ |
| 03:38.57 | Patlabor221 | the ever popular malformed request |
| 03:39.05 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 03:39.13 | bzdoug_ | and trojans... |
| 03:39.16 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: lol |
| 03:39.25 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: Patlabor221 could stick it in BZX |
| 03:39.31 | Patlabor221 | no I can't |
| 03:39.35 | Patlabor221 | I'd want hom to do it |
| 03:39.39 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 03:39.42 | jzaun | Patlabor221: why can't you? |
| 03:39.51 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: you could put your HUD into BZX if you want to |
| 03:39.53 | fiberchunks | you didn't muck with HUD at all, should apply clean |
| 03:39.53 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 03:39.54 | Patlabor221 | lhhhhaaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzyyyyynes |
| 03:40.15 | fiberchunks | ah, lol |
| 03:40.19 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 03:40.48 | fiberchunks | nm, key repeat ;) |
| 03:40.54 | bzdoug_ | yeppers |
| 03:40.55 | jzaun | Patlabor221: well I made the patch for BZX and placed it in the patch repository on www.sf.com/projects/bzflag you just gotta apply it |
| 03:41.01 | Patlabor221 | and I want a hud target to highlight the position of a GM lock on your screen |
| 03:41.11 | Patlabor221 | both offenseive and devensive |
| 03:41.19 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: now that would be "slick" |
| 03:41.28 | bzdoug_ | it could tell ya whos targeted you |
| 03:41.34 | fiberchunks | I want the identify function to 1) skip paused/nr players, and 2) cycle through players within FOV |
| 03:41.35 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: I can apply the patch if you want |
| 03:41.45 | jzaun | Patlabor221: www.google.com -> seach for diff patch windowz |
| 03:41.49 | Patlabor221 | doug everything I say you will think is slick, so why don't you save your 'it's slicks' till the end |
| 03:42.05 | Patlabor221 | I will not search for it with a z |
| 03:42.06 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: or better yet, I can get you the patch and the bat file I used to apply patches |
| 03:42.11 | Patlabor221 | I will just boot linux |
| 03:42.15 | jzaun | Patlabor221: why not? |
| 03:42.15 | Patlabor221 | and do it poper like |
| 03:42.23 | bzdoug_ | it IS proper like |
| 03:42.36 | fiberchunks | jzaun: is the patch current to todays CVS? |
| 03:42.39 | jzaun | the 'z' makes all the differance in the world |
| 03:42.42 | fiberchunks | or does it need to be? |
| 03:42.49 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: can you recieve DCCs? |
| 03:42.54 | jzaun | fiber is should be (as of this morning) |
| 03:43.00 | fiberchunks | cool |
| 03:43.07 | fiberchunks | getting it again |
| 03:43.25 | jzaun | Patlabor221: I don't HATE windows, I just DISLIKE it |
| 03:43.25 | bzdoug_ | grrr |
| 03:43.29 | bzdoug_ | bloody firewall |
| 03:43.44 | jzaun | Patlabor221: Thats a big differance |
| 03:43.53 | Patlabor221 | see I allso want jzaun to hook up some more hud states too, for the boost and the mines and the "ass shot" |
| 03:44.01 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: http://heck.no-ip.com/bzflag/ |
| 03:44.11 | Patlabor221 | true |
| 03:44.13 | bzdoug_ | you need to find a better name for that |
| 03:44.33 | Patlabor221 | ButtFire2000? |
| 03:44.40 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 03:44.41 | bzdoug_ | maybe |
| 03:44.57 | Patlabor221 | SupperPooper? |
| 03:45.02 | bzdoug_ | ~thesaurus ass |
| 03:45.04 | jzaun | Patlabor221: PooperShooter |
| 03:45.06 | Patlabor221 | "Bad mexican food" |
| 03:45.13 | bzdoug_ | haha |
| 03:45.16 | Patlabor221 | that would work fr the mines |
| 03:45.36 | Patlabor221 | I could go realy crude |
| 03:45.41 | Patlabor221 | AnalAvenger |
| 03:45.59 | jzaun | Patlabor221: should make a patch for BZ that adds a mine flag and a rearshot flag |
| 03:46.07 | bzdoug_ | nincompoopshooter |
| 03:46.07 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~chatzilla@216.228.176.248) |
| 03:46.11 | bzdoug_ | Noodleman!!!! |
| 03:46.15 | jzaun | Noodleman: hey |
| 03:46.17 | Noodleman | bzdoug!!!! |
| 03:46.19 | Patlabor221 | there is a rear shot patch |
| 03:46.20 | Noodleman | jzaun!!!! |
| 03:46.22 | bzdoug_ | get a BZX server setup! |
| 03:46.25 | bzdoug_ | "_ |
| 03:46.26 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 03:46.32 | jzaun | Noodleman: checkout the server launching page on stats, did some work on it |
| 03:46.32 | Noodleman | you mean the X client? |
| 03:46.35 | Noodleman | and server? |
| 03:46.35 | bzdoug_ | no |
| 03:46.37 | Patlabor221 | there is a problem with mines with out a client change to everyone that has it |
| 03:46.51 | Patlabor221 | no dougs just wayyyyyy excited |
| 03:46.58 | bzdoug_ | Noodleman: http://www.bakadigital.com/bzx/ |
| 03:47.07 | Patlabor221 | doug seriously calm down on it |
| 03:47.10 | Patlabor221 | it needs work |
| 03:47.13 | Patlabor221 | and lots of it |
| 03:47.14 | bzdoug_ | Noodleman: its on its own listserver and everything |
| 03:47.19 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 03:47.20 | jzaun | Patlabor221: shouldn't have told him |
| 03:47.28 | Patlabor221 | that we don't know if it works or not |
| 03:47.34 | Patlabor221 | I know but I needed someone to shoot |
| 03:47.39 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 03:47.41 | jzaun | Patlabor221: I checked, it is on its own listserv |
| 03:47.42 | fiberchunks | hunks failing mr zaun |
| 03:47.44 | Patlabor221 | and man dooes doug suck |
| 03:48.01 | jzaun | fiberchunks: really, let me check it out |
| 03:48.03 | bzdoug_ | I was learing strafing in a treaded tank |
| 03:48.20 | bzdoug_ | huh |
| 03:48.20 | Patlabor221 | doug, it's not a REAL tank |
| 03:48.27 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 03:48.29 | Patlabor221 | it's 125 triangles |
| 03:48.35 | bzdoug_ | thats it? |
| 03:48.42 | Patlabor221 | none of these things behave like a real tank |
| 03:48.45 | Patlabor221 | it's a GAME |
| 03:48.48 | bzdoug_ | oh? |
| 03:48.59 | Patlabor221 | you don't drive tanks with mice |
| 03:49.13 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 03:49.32 | fiberchunks | jzaun: hunk failing patching AUTHORS |
| 03:49.39 | Patlabor221 | and there is a little thing in the real world called interta and kenetic energy |
| 03:49.51 | bzdoug_ | yea, now that would be cool |
| 03:49.59 | fiberchunks | nm that bullets have weight, and therefore are affected by gravity |
| 03:50.11 | bzdoug_ | a tank side swiping another tank off a cliff |
| 03:50.14 | Patlabor221 | well I am working on that :) |
| 03:50.26 | Patlabor221 | the grav not the side swipe |
| 03:50.27 | jzaun | Patlabor221: as far as GM lock highlighting and sush, I don't want to add a billion things to the patch, and I don't want to work on another till this one is in CVS |
| 03:50.30 | bzdoug_ | fiberchunks: hmm, morters |
| 03:50.44 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: heh |
| 03:50.48 | jzaun | Patlabor221: so once/if/when/etc. this patch is in CVS I'll work on my next project |
| 03:50.52 | Noodleman | does it not allow x clients to log on to non-x servers? |
| 03:50.56 | Patlabor221 | I was thinking just for bzx |
| 03:50.58 | bzdoug_ | Noodleman: no |
| 03:51.07 | bzdoug_ | Noodleman: its been "fixed" |
| 03:51.13 | Noodleman | does it work vice-verse? |
| 03:51.14 | Patlabor221 | I changed version key |
| 03:51.16 | bzdoug_ | Noodleman: nope |
| 03:51.22 | Patlabor221 | so it runs on its own |
| 03:51.38 | Patlabor221 | and changed the default list serv file and set up a list serv |
| 03:51.55 | Patlabor221 | so realy they can't see or connect to regular servers |
| 03:52.07 | Patlabor221 | they thing that it's a version 0 client |
| 03:52.13 | Noodleman | i'm gonna have to change that versoin key back so i can play it on knightmare's cheat server :-) |
| 03:52.16 | Patlabor221 | and I'll proabably be adding some messages |
| 03:52.25 | Patlabor221 | so then you can't even do that |
| 03:52.36 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't hold it's own agains real cheats |
| 03:52.43 | Patlabor221 | I balanced mine too much |
| 03:53.01 | Noodleman | i do know how to add real cheats, tho |
| 03:53.03 | fiberchunks | btw - HS flag with W enabled makes that bugger zoom! |
| 03:53.12 | Patlabor221 | yes it should |
| 03:53.21 | Patlabor221 | but you can't turn for crap |
| 03:53.26 | fiberchunks | right |
| 03:53.31 | Patlabor221 | hence the ballance |
| 03:54.09 | Patlabor221 | I want to see if I can set up messages for "effects" that arn't allways tied to shots |
| 03:54.11 | jzaun | fiberchunks: is the AUTHORS hunk the only fail? |
| 03:54.13 | fiberchunks | you know though -- I haven't yet checked out what the response is if I enable W and A or D at the same time, any idea? |
| 03:54.17 | fiberchunks | jzaun: yes |
| 03:54.26 | Patlabor221 | then I can put a GM trail on the back of the tank wheny ou boost |
| 03:54.30 | jzaun | fiberchunks: ignore it, it will still compile |
| 03:54.37 | jzaun | fiberchunks: I'll fit it now though |
| 03:54.42 | fiberchunks | jzaun: cool |
| 03:55.16 | Patlabor221 | W doubles your speed |
| 03:55.27 | Patlabor221 | a and d go at half your current speed |
| 03:55.34 | Patlabor221 | so you would go 1x normal speed |
| 03:55.37 | Patlabor221 | sideways |
| 03:55.37 | Noodleman | i smell a rancid corndog!!! |
| 03:55.46 | Patlabor221 | but have half turning speed |
| 03:55.49 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 03:55.52 | bzdoug_ | thats cool |
| 03:56.17 | Patlabor221 | it needs play balancing to be sure tho |
| 03:57.27 | Patlabor221 | and the sidestep isn't quite right, it makes the tank look laggy since the other clients don't get the sidesetp info and try to just project you on your normal vector |
| 03:57.51 | Patlabor221 | then you update and snap over to your sidesteped pos |
| 03:58.00 | Patlabor221 | I need to make it update the vector |
| 03:58.17 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 03:58.32 | fiberchunks | haven't seen it from 3rd person yet |
| 03:58.34 | Patlabor221 | and they you can side jump |
| 03:58.45 | Patlabor221 | it looks odd |
| 03:59.00 | Patlabor221 | the backjump works fine tho |
| 03:59.01 | fiberchunks | I tried out side jumping, works lovely :) |
| 03:59.04 | jzaun | a tank side stepping by itself looks odd |
| 03:59.25 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 03:59.35 | fiberchunks | be neat if you could have little tread feet extend from the treads in the direction it's moving (like a crab) |
| 03:59.38 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 03:59.39 | Patlabor221 | since the other client dosn't get a vector for you |
| 03:59.49 | Patlabor221 | I will proalby change the model |
| 04:00.00 | Patlabor221 | maybe use the mk3 |
| 04:00.12 | Patlabor221 | or some other model |
| 04:00.19 | fiberchunks | what about collision detection at that point? |
| 04:00.27 | jzaun | Patlabor221: should make a patch to let BZF use obj models |
| 04:00.33 | jzaun | Patlabor221: or somthing standard |
| 04:00.45 | Patlabor221 | it would still be based on the current bbox |
| 04:01.02 | Patlabor221 | tho now that I am making it non compatable I can change that bbox |
| 04:01.16 | fiberchunks | to a bcube? (please?) |
| 04:01.22 | Patlabor221 | I will most likely make it read from a model |
| 04:01.37 | Patlabor221 | it is a rectaliar paralela pipid right now |
| 04:01.41 | Patlabor221 | is that not good enough? |
| 04:01.42 | jzaun | Patlabor221: should just sumbitmit patches to BZF to non "cheat" items.... will make the whole f BZF nicer |
| 04:02.01 | Patlabor221 | that was one of the ideas to use it as a testbed |
| 04:02.16 | fiberchunks | what the bbox? I thought it was just a rect. based on the bottom coords of the tank? |
| 04:02.28 | Patlabor221 | that's just for world collisions |
| 04:02.35 | fiberchunks | ah, my bad |
| 04:02.37 | Patlabor221 | that is harder to change |
| 04:02.51 | Patlabor221 | shot collisons are based on a a 32 bbox |
| 04:03.04 | Patlabor221 | a bbox is a box around the thing |
| 04:03.22 | fiberchunks | ah, not a brect ;) gotcha - misread |
| 04:03.37 | Patlabor221 | a rect realy only exists in 2d space |
| 04:03.44 | Patlabor221 | what bz uses is a plane |
| 04:03.52 | fiberchunks | that's what I mean -- confusing shot collisions with world collisions |
| 04:03.59 | Patlabor221 | since it exists in 3space |
| 04:04.14 | Patlabor221 | then I can say "done, there you go! " :) |
| 04:04.33 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 04:04.50 | Patlabor221 | realy I'd like to know how Tim feels about this before I go further |
| 04:05.08 | Patlabor221 | I don't want to encurage people to cheat on the live servers |
| 04:05.14 | fiberchunks | q: does the bbox for world collisions have a Z dimension? |
| 04:05.34 | Patlabor221 | for world the plane has a z level |
| 04:05.39 | Patlabor221 | the bottom of the tank |
| 04:05.40 | Noodleman | those mods a neat, pat :-) |
| 04:05.45 | fiberchunks | k |
| 04:05.46 | Noodleman | just tried them out |
| 04:06.03 | jzaun | Patlabor221: is that why you can shoot threw a skinny cieling? |
| 04:06.08 | Patlabor221 | what it won't do is see when the top of a tank hits like the bottom of a floating boxwall |
| 04:06.14 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:06.19 | fiberchunks | but there is no thickness to it |
| 04:06.21 | jzaun | Patlabor221: can that be fixed? |
| 04:06.26 | *** join/#bzflag vogon (1a38284885@66-109-196-140.nocharge.com) |
| 04:06.26 | jzaun | its anoying as heck |
| 04:06.28 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure it can |
| 04:06.28 | fiberchunks | or height component rather |
| 04:06.33 | Patlabor221 | I don't know how hard it is |
| 04:06.37 | *** part/#bzflag vogon (1a38284885@66-109-196-140.nocharge.com) |
| 04:06.46 | jzaun | falling threw flors is a PITA too |
| 04:07.08 | Patlabor221 | jumps could be limited to a tank hight lower then they are now |
| 04:07.11 | jzaun | those 2 fixes would be very very nice |
| 04:07.12 | fiberchunks | why does that happen? I've never understood that. |
| 04:07.14 | Patlabor221 | when does that happen? |
| 04:07.21 | Patlabor221 | I've never seen that |
| 04:07.25 | fiberchunks | usually high-lag periods |
| 04:07.33 | jzaun | its a lag issue |
| 04:07.35 | Patlabor221 | still you have a local state |
| 04:07.43 | Patlabor221 | you should not fall thru |
| 04:07.47 | fiberchunks | but the tanks forward motion does not indicate a decreasing Z |
| 04:08.01 | Patlabor221 | I could see maybe gaps in stuff |
| 04:08.17 | Patlabor221 | grav takes place after movment |
| 04:08.35 | fiberchunks | nope -- say you're driving along a tall ramp -- bad lag -- falls through ramp - don't understand it |
| 04:08.42 | jzaun | but the jumping threw celings is really anoying... kinda a cheat/big bug |
| 04:08.43 | Patlabor221 | so if the bounding plane is not on a building your state will be set to InAir |
| 04:08.47 | Patlabor221 | and you will fall |
| 04:09.10 | fiberchunks | but the bounding plane should still be at same Z as ramp, correct? |
| 04:09.21 | Patlabor221 | there are no ramps |
| 04:09.30 | fiberchunks | s/ramp/box |
| 04:09.32 | jzaun | it really only happens when i'm mid jump and a bit of lag kicks in |
| 04:09.34 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:09.43 | jzaun | and only on thin boxes |
| 04:09.54 | Patlabor221 | local lag or net lag? |
| 04:10.01 | Patlabor221 | does your framerate drop? |
| 04:10.03 | jzaun | local lag |
| 04:10.07 | jzaun | yes |
| 04:10.08 | Patlabor221 | ok then that makes sens |
| 04:10.21 | Patlabor221 | what hapens is you are mid jump and "in air" |
| 04:10.42 | Patlabor221 | your vecoor is projected based on the time since the last frame |
| 04:10.48 | Patlabor221 | then that pos is checkd |
| 04:11.16 | jzaun | should check based on real time too then, not frame time only |
| 04:11.17 | Patlabor221 | if that vecotor went thru a wall in between it won't catch it |
| 04:11.28 | Patlabor221 | it is the real time |
| 04:11.34 | Patlabor221 | but you only get CPU time each rame |
| 04:11.37 | Patlabor221 | frame |
| 04:11.58 | Patlabor221 | what it needs to do is not just interpolate the vector and put you at the end |
| 04:12.01 | jzaun | no way to chach that surcomstance? |
| 04:12.29 | Patlabor221 | it needs to look to see if that vector intersects any objects |
| 04:12.40 | jzaun | its beyond my abilities, but it would be nice if those two were fixed |
| 04:12.59 | Patlabor221 | or more specifly it needs to extrude the plane along the vector and check for intersections will all the boxes |
| 04:13.30 | Patlabor221 | it would take more CPU time |
| 04:13.43 | fiberchunks | does the plane follow the track of the vector, or is it always parallel to the ground? |
| 04:13.51 | Patlabor221 | it would be nice if the world had some sort of spacal sort to it |
| 04:14.01 | Patlabor221 | paralell |
| 04:14.05 | Patlabor221 | tanks don't tip |
| 04:14.19 | fiberchunks | right |
| 04:15.23 | jzaun | Patlabor221: you know where the code is that check for that stuff? |
| 04:15.32 | jzaun | ie jumping up threw a block |
| 04:16.16 | Patlabor221 | I think so doMove in local player I think |
| 04:16.35 | Patlabor221 | its all in the "Move me, am I an a good place" code |
| 04:16.44 | Patlabor221 | it's where I added the side step |
| 04:17.11 | Patlabor221 | it's intersting how they did tank physics with a state machine |
| 04:17.25 | jzaun | good or bad? |
| 04:17.36 | Patlabor221 | and I think some bugs are because the state gets jacked |
| 04:17.44 | Patlabor221 | well it's difrent then I wold have thought to do it |
| 04:18.30 | Patlabor221 | it's realy realy ted to the fact that the ground is flat, you can land on buildings, and you can't land on pyramids |
| 04:22.55 | Patlabor221 | or maybe just bounce when you wack a pyramid |
| 04:23.48 | Patlabor221 | like a backjump when you hit one |
| 04:24.16 | jzaun | that would be cool... more more being stuck on one |
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| 04:24.22 | Patlabor221 | but less on the "up" |
| 04:25.03 | Patlabor221 | it must set your state to still be "in air" when you hit one |
| 04:25.05 | Patlabor221 | or something |
| 04:25.18 | Patlabor221 | that type of bug is what I think comes from the state machine |
| 04:25.22 | Patlabor221 | you get stuck on it |
| 04:25.27 | Patlabor221 | and set to still "in air" |
| 04:25.32 | Patlabor221 | and you can't jump |
| 04:25.51 | Patlabor221 | or make you slide down |
| 04:26.55 | jzaun | that and you look funny |
| 04:27.10 | jzaun | the tank should fall down at an angle |
| 04:27.14 | jzaun | relistically |
| 04:27.16 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:27.25 | Patlabor221 | or just bounce back |
| 04:27.38 | Patlabor221 | a little then they would fall down more |
| 04:27.43 | Patlabor221 | and bounce again |
| 04:27.45 | jzaun | ramps would be really nice |
| 04:27.58 | Patlabor221 | tilty tanks are a big problem |
| 04:28.08 | Patlabor221 | I can probably get stairs |
| 04:28.12 | Patlabor221 | where you don't have to jump |
| 04:28.25 | jzaun | not as nice as a ramp though |
| 04:28.30 | fiberchunks | an escalator :) |
| 04:28.33 | jzaun | why is tilty a big issue? |
| 04:28.46 | Patlabor221 | changes shots and changes physics |
| 04:28.53 | MrApathyCream | agreed |
| 04:29.07 | jzaun | shots can go on angles... they do from pryamids already |
| 04:29.07 | Patlabor221 | brings up the issues of tanks gone fliped turtle |
| 04:29.18 | Patlabor221 | I know |
| 04:29.23 | Patlabor221 | but you can't aim up now can you |
| 04:29.30 | jzaun | if the tank flips, you dead... just like in real life |
| 04:29.42 | Patlabor221 | you want to aim up when you go up a ramp and have no way to compensate? |
| 04:29.52 | Patlabor221 | agian bz is not real life |
| 04:29.57 | jzaun | wouldnt have to aim up, the shots come out at the same angle as the tanks |
| 04:30.46 | jzaun | no, its not real life, but if a tank were to flip in bzf, it would 1) call for a dead player, or 2) auto-wright itself |
| 04:30.57 | Patlabor221 | so when you come out of a building down a ramp and there is a guy infront of you and he shoots you cus your aiming into the ground, you won't complain? |
| 04:31.11 | Patlabor221 | and right now shots never go down |
| 04:31.13 | Patlabor221 | allways up |
| 04:31.22 | jzaun | Thats not true!!! |
| 04:31.25 | fiberchunks | not true |
| 04:31.31 | jzaun | I can make em go down! |
| 04:31.34 | Patlabor221 | I don't count flight sim |
| 04:31.40 | Patlabor221 | negated piramids? |
| 04:31.42 | fiberchunks | jzaun has some pyramids that reflect them downwards |
| 04:31.51 | fiberchunks | no, just reflection of shot path |
| 04:31.54 | jzaun | Patlabor221: not negated |
| 04:32.05 | Patlabor221 | ha hack? |
| 04:32.09 | fiberchunks | n |
| 04:32.11 | jzaun | nope |
| 04:32.14 | Patlabor221 | how then? |
| 04:32.31 | jzaun | they just "curve" around the pryaminds and go down when they are done |
| 04:32.34 | fiberchunks | dunno -- but I've seen it on one of his maps -- we we're fiddling with it bout a month ago |
| 04:32.44 | Patlabor221 | well still you would need to think about if they bounce off the floor or not |
| 04:32.52 | jzaun | they don't |
| 04:33.00 | Patlabor221 | but should they |
| 04:33.02 | jzaun | but should is rico is one, and not if its off |
| 04:33.12 | fiberchunks | why not? |
| 04:33.15 | jzaun | s/one/on/ |
| 04:33.24 | Patlabor221 | with tilting you are like syaing "hey we have figured it all out and this is how it works" |
| 04:33.46 | fiberchunks | whaddya mean? |
| 04:33.49 | Patlabor221 | there is also the issue of do you make tanks fall off building by tilting? |
| 04:34.02 | Patlabor221 | if the front goes off first will it tilt? |
| 04:34.05 | jzaun | no, just a front/back tilt, not a side to side |
| 04:34.12 | Patlabor221 | why not? |
| 04:34.21 | Patlabor221 | what if you turn 90 deg on a ramp? |
| 04:34.26 | jzaun | so yah, it could tilt if you drive streight off a block |
| 04:34.44 | jzaun | ahh I suppose you could |
| 04:34.47 | Patlabor221 | what if you were realy high, and you fliped over and over and over? |
| 04:34.52 | Patlabor221 | and landed upside down |
| 04:34.56 | jzaun | well then yes it would tilt off a building |
| 04:34.58 | Patlabor221 | and blew up |
| 04:34.59 | fiberchunks | that would be neat to see |
| 04:35.02 | Patlabor221 | and got all mad at me |
| 04:35.23 | jzaun | so then you auto-rite the tank if its turtle |
| 04:35.25 | Patlabor221 | it sucks when bad things happen that you don't have direct controll over |
| 04:35.31 | Patlabor221 | how long does that take? |
| 04:35.36 | Patlabor221 | your a sitting duck then |
| 04:35.41 | jzaun | you are |
| 04:35.47 | jzaun | and should take a sec. or two |
| 04:35.56 | Patlabor221 | so geting off a building means proalbly geting shot |
| 04:35.59 | jzaun | people will start to jump off a building |
| 04:36.05 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:36.07 | fiberchunks | which also means getting shot |
| 04:36.20 | fiberchunks | usually |
| 04:36.21 | Patlabor221 | so it's a change in how the game is played |
| 04:36.26 | Patlabor221 | is that a good thing or a bad thing |
| 04:36.27 | jzaun | so instant rite |
| 04:36.33 | Patlabor221 | it needs thought |
| 04:36.52 | jzaun | but it would change an aspect of the game |
| 04:36.55 | Patlabor221 | it may work out to be an ok thing |
| 04:36.59 | jzaun | but thats not a bad thing |
| 04:37.00 | Patlabor221 | but it's just more then "ramps" |
| 04:37.18 | jzaun | every new flags changes the game |
| 04:37.31 | Patlabor221 | but in a minimal predictable way usaly |
| 04:37.46 | Patlabor221 | often they change how people use the flags, now how the world works |
| 04:37.48 | jzaun | still changes the game, need thought, etc |
| 04:37.52 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:37.59 | jzaun | so this is really no diff |
| 04:38.06 | jzaun | just need thought on how to impliment it |
| 04:38.24 | jzaun | but it should be implimented IMO |
| 04:38.37 | jzaun | I think it would add alot to the game |
| 04:38.47 | Patlabor221 | well a fair amount of data stuctures would have to change |
| 04:38.57 | Patlabor221 | and a lot of asumptions |
| 04:39.27 | jzaun | they only way to see how it would work, and what would need "fixed" as a result would be to start a patch for it |
| 04:39.29 | Patlabor221 | if I were to add tilting I would add turret turrning and limited elevaton at the same time |
| 04:39.36 | jzaun | and build the patch till it just works |
| 04:39.41 | jzaun | kil I did with the HUD |
| 04:39.43 | fiberchunks | limited elevation? |
| 04:39.43 | Patlabor221 | it would be a BIG patch |
| 04:40.02 | jzaun | but a good patch, IMO |
| 04:40.03 | fiberchunks | angle of inclination = limited elevation? |
| 04:40.11 | Patlabor221 | and realy you would not be able to go back to the old way without making it a larger patch |
| 04:40.11 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:40.18 | fiberchunks | k |
| 04:40.39 | Patlabor221 | I wold move turret controll to the mouse and movment to ether a game device or the keyboard |
| 04:40.46 | jzaun | Patlabor221: it would just mean keeping the patch in sync with CVS untill it was all worked out |
| 04:40.59 | jzaun | but noone can just make it work on the first go |
| 04:40.59 | fiberchunks | yay! then it definitely needs to be implemented ;) |
| 04:41.14 | Patlabor221 | your touching the entire tank database and changing the protocoll |
| 04:41.26 | Patlabor221 | that would not be backward compatable |
| 04:41.31 | Patlabor221 | and the server would have to change too |
| 04:41.38 | Patlabor221 | to send and check the new data |
| 04:41.49 | jzaun | Patlabor221: my only point is it will never happen if someone don't try it out |
| 04:41.54 | Patlabor221 | true |
| 04:42.05 | jzaun | I would but unfortunatly I have not the skills or knowledge to do it |
| 04:42.08 | Patlabor221 | I think that more things need to be cleaned up before it gets even tried |
| 04:42.12 | Patlabor221 | it's a big thing |
| 04:42.26 | Patlabor221 | and the way everything is mixed around is kinda sucky |
| 04:42.48 | jzaun | well a nice visible change would be cones and cyilindars :-) |
| 04:43.00 | fiberchunks | suppose, say, that if you are exiting a roof sideways, that you enter a hovering state - further that you do not enter 'hover' while on a ramp (in a previous state of X axis inclination) -- would that solve any problems? |
| 04:43.08 | Patlabor221 | I would do a better vis algo first |
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| 04:43.18 | Patlabor221 | then add aribtary ojbects |
| 04:43.34 | fiberchunks | ah, nm, silly idea |
| 04:43.45 | jzaun | vis algo? |
| 04:43.53 | fiberchunks | no -- my thing up above |
| 04:43.56 | Patlabor221 | or at least the ablity to make it easy to add new ojbect classes |
| 04:44.13 | jzaun | no, whats vis algo? |
| 04:44.29 | Patlabor221 | fiber, the world becomes something that can't be described by "sates" in that case |
| 04:44.48 | Patlabor221 | you need to be able to figure out where you are at anytime, not based on some high level info that may now be wring |
| 04:44.53 | Patlabor221 | vis algo? |
| 04:44.56 | captain_proton | scanline ever wake up? |
| 04:45.11 | Patlabor221 | how the game decribes what is visible and decides what to draw in GL |
| 04:45.25 | Patlabor221 | it's not fery fast for large scale worlds now |
| 04:45.33 | jzaun | Patlabor221: there was a tutorial I was looking at that expained how to do it |
| 04:45.41 | Patlabor221 | lots of list iteration for stuff that could be trivialised by a higher level cull |
| 04:45.47 | Patlabor221 | there are lots of ways |
| 04:45.51 | MrApathyCream | hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaha |
| 04:45.56 | Patlabor221 | usualy based on your world database |
| 04:46.06 | MrApathyCream | The local newspaper is running a tv ad, |
| 04:46.25 | Patlabor221 | funny |
| 04:46.27 | MrApathyCream | announcing that this week is the jumbo help wanted section for the year |
| 04:46.38 | jzaun | http://www.gametutorials.com/Tutorials/opengl/OpenGL_Pg5.htm |
| 04:46.44 | Patlabor221 | bz has a "world full of stuff" type world |
| 04:46.46 | MrApathyCream | The main character for the bit, is a super hero dressed in purple tights |
| 04:46.54 | Patlabor221 | that the octree one? |
| 04:47.02 | jzaun | yah |
| 04:47.04 | MrApathyCream | The super hero has run out of nemesis's, and he's looking for a job |
| 04:47.13 | Patlabor221 | yes an octree would be a type that wold work |
| 04:47.26 | MrApathyCream | The super hero's name is Proton Man |
| 04:47.27 | Patlabor221 | LOL |
| 04:47.31 | Patlabor221 | ha |
| 04:47.36 | jzaun | how hard would that be to? |
| 04:47.57 | Patlabor221 | it would take a prepass of the objects to calc the tree |
| 04:48.20 | Patlabor221 | and it would require a change to the world list |
| 04:48.25 | Patlabor221 | but not too bad |
| 04:48.36 | Patlabor221 | it could be helped if group info was sent to the client too |
| 04:48.38 | jzaun | Patlabor221: that would increes FPS? |
| 04:48.42 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:48.49 | Patlabor221 | a LOT on some maps |
| 04:48.57 | jzaun | that would be a nice patch to see |
| 04:49.58 | fiberchunks | what seems to be the big frame dropper on maps (if there are definable entity(ies), that is) |
| 04:49.59 | Patlabor221 | but again it would be easyer to do if more stuff was cleaned up |
| 04:50.19 | Patlabor221 | an assload of boxes spelling out "doug" or "spiff" |
| 04:50.38 | jzaun | then someone with more knowledge than me would be a very nice person to make a "cleanup" patch |
| 04:50.40 | fiberchunks | is it a general thing, or the quantity that causes it? |
| 04:50.50 | Patlabor221 | every object in the map is tested against the view |
| 04:51.00 | Patlabor221 | the more of them means more tests |
| 04:51.06 | Patlabor221 | even the little ones |
| 04:51.11 | fiberchunks | ah, ic |
| 04:51.18 | Patlabor221 | even if you know the ones next to it are not visible |
| 04:51.23 | Patlabor221 | or the ones around it |
| 04:51.26 | fiberchunks | really? |
| 04:51.28 | Patlabor221 | that's what a vis algo is |
| 04:51.29 | fiberchunks | hrm |
| 04:51.36 | Patlabor221 | yeah it's a brute force list run |
| 04:52.02 | Patlabor221 | I would keep track of what objects are next to what other objctes and keep a bbox for the group |
| 04:52.10 | Patlabor221 | test the group |
| 04:52.12 | Patlabor221 | if it's out |
| 04:52.27 | Patlabor221 | then I know I don't have to test everything in the group |
| 04:52.47 | Patlabor221 | if it's in, I test the next smaller groups inside it |
| 04:52.51 | Patlabor221 | ect... |
| 04:53.08 | Patlabor221 | fast elimitaion of large scale structures |
| 04:53.22 | fiberchunks | couldn't you simply define a fov, (with center = tank center), and check only those objects within some mathematical extrapolation from the beginning of fov to the end of the world - along your current positional vector?) |
| 04:53.41 | Patlabor221 | that's what is done now |
| 04:53.48 | Patlabor221 | but you test every god damned object |
| 04:53.49 | MrApathyCream | the point is you don't want to check ALL the objects |
| 04:54.01 | fiberchunks | right, only those within your current fov |
| 04:54.03 | Patlabor221 | even the one that's inside that big ass box over there |
| 04:54.11 | Patlabor221 | how do you know what is in your FOV? |
| 04:54.15 | fiberchunks | ahhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 04:54.15 | MrApathyCream | fiberchunks: how do you know there in the fov, unless you check all |
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| 04:54.19 | Patlabor221 | with out testing each one |
| 04:54.50 | Patlabor221 | no spacal coheson |
| 04:54.51 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: wouldn't you get uneven play? |
| 04:54.59 | Patlabor221 | what do you mean? |
| 04:55.00 | MrApathyCream | turn to the wall and go fast, turn toward the center and slow down? |
| 04:55.15 | Patlabor221 | well the framerate would decrease |
| 04:55.17 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:55.20 | Patlabor221 | that hapens now |
| 04:55.28 | Patlabor221 | since more things have to be drawn |
| 04:55.30 | MrApathyCream | yes but it's more evenly slow ;) |
| 04:55.34 | fiberchunks | well, they are defined on points in the grid -- if those points are encompassed in your present field of view, extrapolated forward, I would assume you could just group those objects (points) |
| 04:55.35 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:55.57 | Patlabor221 | it's all suposed to be frame independednt right? |
| 04:56.02 | MrApathyCream | and of course in BZ you see 'infinitely' far |
| 04:56.11 | MrApathyCream | unlike some games |
| 04:56.20 | MrApathyCream | 'infinitely' meaning the entire world |
| 04:56.22 | fiberchunks | true, but only within the context of the world boundaries |
| 04:56.27 | fiberchunks | oh, ic |
| 04:56.30 | Patlabor221 | yes you could trivialise stuff that's bbox is outside the world bounds |
| 04:57.12 | Patlabor221 | the ground plane that is drawn can be view based so it's not too bad |
| 04:57.26 | MrApathyCream | i'd like to see BIG worlds someday > 800x800 |
| 04:57.46 | Patlabor221 | then you want the WLD1 file format my friend :) |
| 04:57.51 | Patlabor221 | n sized worlds |
| 04:57.58 | Patlabor221 | and not even square |
| 04:58.01 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 04:58.12 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221: what areas need cleaning up (and define cleanup, please) |
| 04:58.27 | Patlabor221 | a lot of the code is mixed |
| 04:58.35 | Patlabor221 | some here some there ect... |
| 04:58.36 | MrApathyCream | any interesting bit of trivial: walls are a primitive in bz, but you can't put them in the world. |
| 04:58.44 | Patlabor221 | stuff should be centralised |
| 04:58.46 | MrApathyCream | s/any/an |
| 04:59.04 | Patlabor221 | and thos huge ass funcs sould be broken up into more logical funcks |
| 04:59.09 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 04:59.13 | Patlabor221 | that they are |
| 04:59.19 | Patlabor221 | they are sent over the pipe too |
| 04:59.24 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 04:59.29 | Patlabor221 | you can hack th server to send biger walls |
| 04:59.34 | Patlabor221 | and the client will draw them |
| 04:59.35 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 04:59.45 | Patlabor221 | it just won't spawn you outside 400x400 |
| 04:59.46 | jzaun | define wall... |
| 04:59.47 | MrApathyCream | every tinker with the World object? |
| 04:59.54 | MrApathyCream | jzaun: the border around the world |
| 04:59.57 | Patlabor221 | the server don't read it now |
| 04:59.58 | jzaun | ahh |
| 05:00.03 | Patlabor221 | not a boxwall |
| 05:00.11 | MrApathyCream | infinitely thin |
| 05:00.27 | Patlabor221 | world size is defined in BZ proper as const |
| 05:00.35 | Patlabor221 | ( tho not anymore :) ) |
| 05:00.51 | MrApathyCream | all those things were suppose to go in BZDB if i recall |
| 05:01.02 | MrApathyCream | at least in 1.8 |
| 05:01.16 | Patlabor221 | yeah it needs to be centralsed |
| 05:01.29 | Patlabor221 | I could try to hook Cworld into there |
| 05:01.31 | MrApathyCream | i centralized the cmd line options at least? |
| 05:01.58 | Patlabor221 | in a long ass function :) |
| 05:02.22 | MrApathyCream | well, yes, but it was already there ;) |
| 05:03.03 | MrApathyCream | i posed to tim we break up bzfs.cxx, he wasn't overwhelmed |
| 05:03.18 | MrApathyCream | DevC == opensource? |
| 05:03.21 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 05:03.29 | MrApathyCream | DevC != gcc |
| 05:03.38 | Patlabor221 | not totatly |
| 05:03.42 | Patlabor221 | it's based on it |
| 05:03.50 | Patlabor221 | but it's like visual studio |
| 05:03.50 | MrApathyCream | DevC a Dev env? |
| 05:03.54 | MrApathyCream | ah, k |
| 05:03.54 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 05:03.59 | Patlabor221 | and a compiler |
| 05:04.16 | Patlabor221 | so more then just an IDE linux style |
| 05:04.39 | fiberchunks | commercial? |
| 05:04.43 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 05:04.46 | Patlabor221 | opensouce |
| 05:04.51 | MrApathyCream | open sauce |
| 05:04.55 | fiberchunks | sry, didn't read up |
| 05:05.11 | Patlabor221 | tho it dosn't seem to handle workspaces with multiple projects/libs |
| 05:05.38 | Patlabor221 | they are shooting for a free windows compiler that is like VC |
| 05:05.55 | Patlabor221 | CVS instead of source safe, ect.. |
| 05:06.36 | Patlabor221 | http://sourceforge.net/projects/dev-cpp/ |
| 05:06.49 | MrApathyCream | source unsafe |
| 05:07.03 | Patlabor221 | hey I like sourcesafe |
| 05:07.14 | MrApathyCream | really? |
| 05:07.17 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:07.27 | Patlabor221 | we use that sucker for our entire project |
| 05:07.43 | Patlabor221 | sucks that it's not open and don't work on the net |
| 05:07.45 | MrApathyCream | over appletalk-23k? |
| 05:07.51 | Patlabor221 | we have yes |
| 05:07.54 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 05:07.58 | MrApathyCream | we use clearcase |
| 05:08.06 | Patlabor221 | we had the metrowerks client for itL( |
| 05:08.17 | Patlabor221 | does it integrate into VC like SS? |
| 05:08.22 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 05:08.27 | Patlabor221 | cool |
| 05:08.35 | Patlabor221 | that's realy what we like |
| 05:08.39 | MrApathyCream | you can have dynamic and static views--kind of nice |
| 05:09.03 | Patlabor221 | .net updated the SS support in the IDE added all kinds of nice things. |
| 05:09.29 | Patlabor221 | but the rest of the flipin thing blows goats |
| 05:10.04 | jzaun | welp, I'm off for the night, catch yinz all tomarrow |
| 05:10.17 | fiberchunks | later on |
| 05:10.28 | fiberchunks | think I'll hit the hay as well -- nite all |
| 05:12.14 | Patlabor221 | whussssyz |
| 05:12.20 | MrApathyCream | amen |
| 05:12.40 | Patlabor221 | ohhh if you 2 want my screamers libs just let me know |
| 05:13.38 | Patlabor221 | as we were discussing this after noon before we started blowing breakers at work |
| 05:13.55 | MrApathyCream | sorry, screamers? |
| 05:14.01 | Patlabor221 | 3dscreamers |
| 05:14.16 | Patlabor221 | the latest app that used LGE and all it's asorted libs |
| 05:15.17 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 05:16.04 | Patlabor221 | basicly it has stuff that does the same as patform, media, and display in bz, but using more modern APIs |
| 05:16.12 | Patlabor221 | and a world class |
| 05:16.20 | Patlabor221 | and a model/mesh class |
| 05:16.26 | Patlabor221 | and a skybox class |
| 05:16.39 | Patlabor221 | and a game loop class, and menu managers, ect... |
| 05:19.11 | Patlabor221 | need to finish converting the particle system and net stuff at some point too |
| 05:23.15 | MrApathyCream | mm |
| 05:25.45 | Patlabor221 | but first I need to see why BZX dosn't compile under the "secondary development platform" |
| 05:39.55 | Patlabor221 | LOL there is a hardcoded string in bzfs that still says "1.7e" |
| 05:41.11 | captain_proton | ~seen scanline |
| 05:41.12 | | scanline is currently on #picogui (17h 32m 26s) #tuxscreen (17h 32m 26s) #zaurus (17h 32m 26s) #elinux (17h 32m 26s) #bzflag (17h 32m 26s) #openzaurus (17h 32m 26s). Has said a total of 18 messages. Is idling for 9h 23m 22s |
| 05:41.19 | Patlabor221 | ouch |
| 05:41.24 | Patlabor221 | he passed out didn't he? |
| 05:41.27 | Patlabor221 | was up all night? |
| 05:41.32 | captain_proton | for sure |
| 05:41.41 | Patlabor221 | totatly |
| 05:42.29 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton/PatLabor221: Tim wretched when he saw i used sscanf in the code.... What is perferred? |
| 05:42.49 | Patlabor221 | to do what? get a str to an int? |
| 05:42.53 | Patlabor221 | or float or something? |
| 05:43.05 | MrApathyCream | extract an int out of a string |
| 05:43.10 | captain_proton | atoi |
| 05:43.21 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: i thought you said that was a nono on *nix |
| 05:43.22 | Patlabor221 | is the string just the int or is there other stuff in it? |
| 05:43.27 | MrApathyCream | other stuff |
| 05:43.34 | *** join/#bzflag lurgyman (~lurgyman@161.97.199.99) |
| 05:43.36 | Patlabor221 | then will atoi work? |
| 05:43.37 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: it works fine |
| 05:43.40 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 05:44.02 | Patlabor221 | will it skip alphas till it gets a numeric or a - or a .? |
| 05:45.45 | Patlabor221 | oh and I was just making a joke about sscanf, in refrence to printf |
| 05:47.13 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: i can find the number start |
| 05:47.28 | MrApathyCream | atoi is fine, cappy was just throwing a pitch about it |
| 05:47.35 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, maybe he was complainin' about atol |
| 05:48.08 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i never said anything about atoi/atol |
| 05:49.08 | Patlabor221 | maybe you were on that cashew high? |
| 05:49.22 | Patlabor221 | how many did you eat? |
| 05:50.21 | Patlabor221 | hmmm why does the secondary development platform have to be soo damned picky about hardware? |
| 05:50.44 | Patlabor221 | and just detect my damed mouse |
| 05:51.31 | Patlabor221 | hahhh and now the gnome pannel just keeps crashingh |
| 05:51.50 | Patlabor221 | leenox did not like being swaped to new hardware |
| 05:56.59 | Patlabor221 | tho I think I did screw up the hardware install |
| 06:00.08 | MrApathyCream | maybe ltoa |
| 06:03.24 | MrApathyCream | latest cvs bzfs.cxx ok on I1|\|U><? |
| 06:03.59 | Patlabor221 | cap, gnome pannel just keeps crashing and relauching, how do I make it stop and get back to the login pannel? |
| 06:04.17 | MrApathyCream | rebuild kernel |
| 06:05.00 | Patlabor221 | I think I have to put printFs in |
| 06:05.29 | MrApathyCream | perhaps... better do both |
| 06:05.53 | Patlabor221 | great now it's just stuck there |
| 06:06.07 | Patlabor221 | seems I had to hit "submit a bug report" and not "quit" |
| 06:06.18 | Patlabor221 | but I can get to the menu to do anyting |
| 06:06.57 | MrApathyCream | keeps the bug reports to a minimum |
| 06:08.18 | Patlabor221 | least I could get to a term |
| 06:08.50 | Patlabor221 | crap I don't remember what tells it what to boot to |
| 06:09.55 | MrApathyCream | the long value at memory address whos value is tickcount() |
| 06:10.00 | Patlabor221 | ohh great cap, master of "linux: the other white meat", your my only hope |
| 06:12.19 | Patlabor221 | hmmm I don't think I want to go randomly seting things in boot |
| 06:12.41 | MrApathyCream | no certainly not... let the installer set things randomly in boot |
| 06:12.49 | captain_proton | ergh |
| 06:12.56 | captain_proton | lurgyman is making me watch star trek: lost in space |
| 06:12.58 | Patlabor221 | I am a windows user, I am used to reinstalling |
| 06:13.05 | Patlabor221 | just say no man |
| 06:13.16 | Patlabor221 | cap, where do you set what the system does at boot |
| 06:13.24 | Patlabor221 | like startx and login and stuff |
| 06:13.45 | Patlabor221 | so I can make it not lauch this here busted copy of gnome |
| 06:13.59 | captain_proton | so it starts into X and you don't want it to? |
| 06:14.09 | Patlabor221 | I want to start in KDE |
| 06:14.13 | Patlabor221 | I don't even get a login |
| 06:14.17 | Patlabor221 | just bam |
| 06:14.19 | Patlabor221 | gnome |
| 06:14.27 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 06:14.30 | Patlabor221 | the bam, gnome_panel takes a poop |
| 06:14.35 | captain_proton | look at the gdm config file |
| 06:14.45 | Patlabor221 | where is that? |
| 06:14.48 | Patlabor221 | X11? |
| 06:15.02 | captain_proton | usually /etc/X11/gdm |
| 06:15.58 | Patlabor221 | ok and how do I kill X and get back to a console |
| 06:16.52 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: `init 3` |
| 06:16.52 | Patlabor221 | LOL #greeter=/usr/bin/gdmlogin -- disable-crash-dialog |
| 06:16.58 | captain_proton | wait |
| 06:17.04 | Patlabor221 | I see no init |
| 06:17.10 | captain_proton | is it running X right now? |
| 06:17.21 | Patlabor221 | I see where i can set automaticlogon |
| 06:17.23 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 06:17.27 | Patlabor221 | but I cant get to the pannel |
| 06:17.34 | Patlabor221 | got to a consol |
| 06:17.35 | captain_proton | ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 06:18.20 | Patlabor221 | sweet thanks |
| 06:18.41 | Patlabor221 | more so then I did months ago |
| 06:18.51 | Patlabor221 | I even added a file to a make file today |
| 06:18.56 | Patlabor221 | I was soo proud of myseld |
| 06:19.51 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 06:22.41 | MrApathyCream | 510\/\/ nite |
| 06:23.11 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
| 06:23.30 | MrApathyCream | where should i go? |
| 06:24.46 | Patlabor221 | ohh I thought you were saying night |
| 06:25.00 | Patlabor221 | what is 5? |
| 06:36.14 | gonkulator | hi lurgyman |
| 06:40.32 | Patlabor221 | they are watching Voager |
| 06:42.46 | *** join/#bzflag Widget (me@12-240-76-157.client.attbi.com) |
| 06:43.05 | Patlabor221 | widget!?!?! |
| 06:43.13 | Patlabor221 | your alive |
| 06:43.17 | captain_proton | hm |
| 06:43.21 | captain_proton | still no scanline |
| 06:43.29 | Patlabor221 | dead? |
| 06:44.48 | gonkulator | captain_proton: I went by his house earlier today |
| 06:44.51 | gonkulator | he wasn't there... |
| 06:45.39 | Patlabor221 | this afternoon he said he was realy tired and was gonna pass out. said he was seeing things |
| 06:46.11 | MrApathyCream | 5 = s |
| 06:47.19 | Patlabor221 | slow night got it |
| 06:47.57 | MrApathyCream | it's the rikable hour, no? |
| 06:48.40 | Patlabor221 | it should be geting close |
| 06:48.47 | Patlabor221 | that's what I'm waiting for |
| 06:49.05 | Patlabor221 | where does he live? what part of US? |
| 06:49.12 | MrApathyCream | he come in, look for his shadow, and determine whether there's six more weeks of development |
| 06:49.17 | MrApathyCream | utah, i think |
| 06:49.27 | Patlabor221 | ha |
| 06:49.29 | Patlabor221 | where you at? |
| 06:49.34 | MrApathyCream | maryland |
| 06:49.50 | Patlabor221 | caps the clostest to me that I know of in CA |
| 06:50.03 | MrApathyCream | northern ca? |
| 06:50.09 | MrApathyCream | frisco? |
| 06:50.10 | Patlabor221 | southern |
| 06:50.12 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 06:50.13 | MrApathyCream | mm |
| 06:50.30 | Patlabor221 | bout an hour north west of LA |
| 06:50.51 | Patlabor221 | wonder where my IP says I am with this ISP |
| 06:50.59 | Patlabor221 | was in cupertino with the last one |
| 06:51.09 | MrApathyCream | west? |
| 06:51.15 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 06:51.19 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, i would have thought that was in the ocean... lil do i know |
| 06:51.24 | MrApathyCream | unless... |
| 06:51.42 | Patlabor221 | LA is in a little curved cutout in CA |
| 06:52.04 | Patlabor221 | I have to go south and east to get to LA |
| 06:52.21 | MrApathyCream | you work for a well known company? |
| 06:52.26 | Patlabor221 | no not realy |
| 06:52.46 | Patlabor221 | here is a good map that shows it |
| 06:52.46 | Patlabor221 | http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?addtohistory=&country=US&address=&city=&state=&zipcode=93021&submit.x=55&submit.y=8 |
| 06:53.06 | Patlabor221 | in realtion to LA |
| 06:53.34 | MrApathyCream | i'll be over in 7 hrs |
| 06:53.43 | MrApathyCream | ah simi valley |
| 06:53.53 | Patlabor221 | that's where I grew up |
| 06:53.54 | MrApathyCream | heard of that |
| 06:54.05 | Patlabor221 | yes suposedly we started the LA riots |
| 06:54.20 | MrApathyCream | http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/apathyland.jpg |
| 06:54.34 | Patlabor221 | that's the middle of a field |
| 06:54.57 | MrApathyCream | pic before house was built |
| 06:55.18 | MrApathyCream | thumtack is the road |
| 06:55.36 | Patlabor221 | still bet the house dosn't take up all the field :) |
| 06:55.44 | MrApathyCream | no not hardly |
| 06:55.45 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 06:56.11 | Patlabor221 | must be nice an quiet |
| 06:56.22 | MrApathyCream | very |
| 06:56.28 | Patlabor221 | noone's gonna fly a plane into your city |
| 06:56.37 | MrApathyCream | on a quiet nite all you can hear is the sound of tanks exploding |
| 06:57.57 | Patlabor221 | well that can hapen here too |
| 06:58.05 | Patlabor221 | but we just have realy large speakers |
| 07:00.32 | MrApathyCream | http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&addtohistory=&address=&city=&state=&zipcode=21912&homesubmit=Get+Map |
| 07:01.50 | Patlabor221 | that's a lot of white |
| 07:01.54 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:02.13 | MrApathyCream | horse country |
| 07:02.40 | Patlabor221 | ok bzX works on the secondary dev platform |
| 07:02.50 | Patlabor221 | now to make the sidestep work the rightway |
| 07:02.54 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:03.40 | Patlabor221 | gotta figure out how to allow a sideways vector on the ground only when you are sidesteping |
| 07:04.10 | MrApathyCream | allow? |
| 07:04.15 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 07:04.39 | Patlabor221 | normaly the vel vector from the last update isn't caried over when you are on the ground |
| 07:04.49 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 07:04.54 | Patlabor221 | when you are airborne you continue on your last vec |
| 07:04.57 | MrApathyCream | but you have the heading no? |
| 07:05.04 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 07:05.11 | Patlabor221 | but you can't change your vec |
| 07:05.14 | scanline | good morning |
| 07:05.18 | Patlabor221 | when InAir |
| 07:05.19 | MrApathyCream | oh i see |
| 07:05.22 | Patlabor221 | hey man |
| 07:05.39 | Patlabor221 | on the ground normaly the vec is allways aligned to the tank, ether for or back |
| 07:05.50 | Patlabor221 | offfta |
| 07:06.23 | Patlabor221 | I was just tweaking the pos wiht a side vec and not seting the actual movement vec |
| 07:06.51 | Patlabor221 | but then it wouldn't send a vec to the other clients with the sidestep component |
| 07:07.01 | Patlabor221 | so they would predict a difrent path then you would take |
| 07:07.09 | Patlabor221 | and when you update you would snap |
| 07:07.18 | Patlabor221 | makes it look laggy |
| 07:07.43 | Patlabor221 | I think I just need to add the sidestep vec to the one I send to the server |
| 07:07.49 | Patlabor221 | then the clients will get it |
| 07:07.54 | Patlabor221 | and predict properly |
| 07:08.11 | Patlabor221 | now to just find out where that is |
| 07:10.27 | MrApathyCream | MsgPlayerUpdate |
| 07:11.27 | Patlabor221 | in local player I asume? |
| 07:11.33 | MrApathyCream | playing.cxx |
| 07:11.38 | Patlabor221 | ohh |
| 07:11.47 | MrApathyCream | sendPlayerUpdate as defined in PlayerLink |
| 07:11.47 | Patlabor221 | that's gonna be fun then |
| 07:12.05 | MrApathyCream | i think you just have to set the vel in PlayerState |
| 07:12.16 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 07:13.50 | Patlabor221 | hmmmm gonna have to do some vector math in backJump() |
| 07:14.38 | Patlabor221 | or not |
| 07:16.06 | Patlabor221 | seems to get it from Tank.getStatus() |
| 07:16.19 | Patlabor221 | ohh no that's difrent |
| 07:17.27 | Patlabor221 | MsgPlayerUpdate in playing looks to be an update from a net player |
| 07:17.35 | Patlabor221 | I want where we send it out |
| 07:20.08 | MrApathyCream | playing.cxx |
| 07:20.11 | MrApathyCream | sendPlayerUpdate |
| 07:20.16 | MrApathyCream | calls into PlayerLink |
| 07:20.19 | MrApathyCream | which sends a MsgPlayerUpdate |
| 07:20.27 | MrApathyCream | ---is there an echo in here? |
| 07:20.51 | MrApathyCream | backjump just switch the sign of three comps, no? |
| 07:21.12 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 07:21.31 | Patlabor221 | reverd X and Y |
| 07:21.35 | MrApathyCream | oh, yes, course |
| 07:21.38 | Patlabor221 | of your tank dir |
| 07:21.44 | Patlabor221 | and 0.5 z |
| 07:21.49 | Patlabor221 | of a normak jump |
| 07:21.54 | Patlabor221 | and half the normal speed |
| 07:22.10 | Patlabor221 | like a baby jump |
| 07:22.10 | MrApathyCream | so you are in the air the same length of time, as forward? |
| 07:22.16 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 07:22.18 | Patlabor221 | less |
| 07:28.25 | MrApathyCream | Hmm, Mrs. Riker must have put the hammer down |
| 07:30.24 | Patlabor221 | musta |
| 07:35.04 | captain_proton | umm |
| 07:35.06 | captain_proton | is it just me |
| 07:35.13 | captain_proton | or is the radar very broken |
| 07:35.37 | Patlabor221 | I think I'm gonna have the option to turn off friendly fire |
| 07:35.42 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: you have to do a full build. |
| 07:35.47 | MrApathyCream | *nix dependencies are busted |
| 07:35.48 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 07:35.54 | MrApathyCream | (of course dev plat of choice works fine) |
| 07:36.03 | captain_proton | i've never seen anything like this before |
| 07:36.07 | captain_proton | radar was spinning outta control |
| 07:36.17 | MrApathyCream | i switched order of heading and velocity |
| 07:36.26 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 07:36.38 | *** join/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@d51132a8.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 07:37.03 | MrApathyCream | how are the bunnies |
| 07:37.20 | sussudio | tasty |
| 07:37.44 | MrApathyCream | baked or fried? |
| 07:37.52 | sussudio | flamebroiled |
| 07:37.52 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: boiled |
| 07:38.31 | *** part/#bzflag gonkulator (~brandon@h-66-167-166-112.DNVTCO56.covad.net) |
| 07:38.54 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: see my report of classified jobs here? |
| 07:39.13 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: nope |
| 07:39.23 | MrApathyCream | the local paper ran a tv ad |
| 07:39.34 | MrApathyCream | announcing that next week would be the super mega job section |
| 07:39.46 | MrApathyCream | the key character in the tv spot, was a super hero, donned in purple tights |
| 07:39.57 | MrApathyCream | Apparently he had run out of evil guys, and was looking for work |
| 07:40.11 | MrApathyCream | His name -> Proton man |
| 07:44.34 | captain_proton | haah |
| 07:47.59 | Patlabor221 | I need a good sound for the ass cannon |
| 07:48.13 | sussudio | fart.wav? |
| 07:48.31 | scanline | get the fish-picking-up-sound from tuxracer :) |
| 07:48.45 | Patlabor221 | honestly I'd like something like a mortar going in a tube sound |
| 07:48.51 | Patlabor221 | more of a "Phoooont" |
| 07:48.56 | scanline | phlunck |
| 07:49.07 | Patlabor221 | I think I will use a plunk for the mine sound |
| 07:49.49 | Patlabor221 | like a metal thunk or dink |
| 07:50.21 | MrApathyCream | how bout "fire in the hole!" |
| 07:50.35 | Patlabor221 | perhaps but it may be too loong |
| 07:50.41 | Patlabor221 | or "clear!!!" |
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| 07:51.57 | sussudio | ~pig lurgyman |
| 07:52.02 | | lurgyman is 54% pig! |
| 07:52.21 | scanline | ~pig libby chicken |
| 07:52.23 | | libby chicken is 98% pig! |
| 07:54.53 | lurgyman | ~pig pig |
| 07:54.55 | | pig is 22% pig! |
| 07:54.59 | lurgyman | hmm |
| 07:55.26 | scanline | you could apply that recursively |
| 07:55.44 | scanline | you could create a pig with zero volume and an infinite amount of surface chicken! |
| 07:55.54 | Patlabor221 | perfect mac |
| 07:56.02 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 07:56.31 | Patlabor221 | now to see if I added it right |
| 07:56.33 | Proton_Man | ~literal pig |
| 07:56.33 | | pig is US Plus! |
| 07:58.33 | Patlabor221 | hmmm seems I have to add more then a #define and the name of the sound |
| 08:00.43 | MrApathyCream | not much more |
| 08:01.00 | MrApathyCream | playLocalSound and playWorldSound |
| 08:01.19 | Patlabor221 | seems to not know about the 2 new samples I added in contributeLocal |
| 08:01.46 | sussudio | "Unfortunately, files can't be transferred to a computer, but that may not matter if you're a student or casual user." |
| 08:01.51 | sussudio | Can i hook this up in linux? |
| 08:01.52 | sussudio | ...... |
| 08:01.57 | sussudio | ... |
| 08:02.06 | sussudio | .. |
| 08:02.34 | Patlabor221 | I have a misssle model somewhere |
| 08:02.38 | MrApathyCream | sw33t |
| 08:02.52 | sussudio | good thing it's double-barreled... that way i can get the idiot that was whining about not being able to write to a read-only filesystem too..... |
| 08:02.59 | Patlabor221 | I think tomrow I'll have the tanks being drawn from a file |
| 08:04.34 | *** join/#bzflag patlabor221__ (~JeffM@adsl-64-173-106-115.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 08:05.01 | patlabor221__ | ok saftey tip, don't break in the debuger that low and so a set next satement |
| 08:06.48 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 08:07.12 | patlabor221 | the driver was not happy with that |
| 08:08.10 | patlabor221 | does the client send updates when stuff hapens or on an regular interval? or both? |
| 08:08.20 | MrApathyCream | theres a governer |
| 08:08.47 | MrApathyCream | it's either 60 per second, or if you got low fps, whatever your fps is... i think |
| 08:09.20 | patlabor221 | cus I got the sidestep vector thing workin, but it seems to be wierd when you stop sidesteping |
| 08:09.27 | patlabor221 | like it dosn't send an update |
| 08:09.46 | patlabor221 | 60, that's a lot |
| 08:12.11 | patlabor221 | it's based on events too |
| 08:12.51 | patlabor221 | isDeadReconingWrong |
| 08:14.01 | patlabor221 | well I'll worry bout it tomrow |
| 08:14.03 | patlabor221 | nite all |
| 08:14.27 | Jormungandr | hrm |
| 08:14.54 | Jormungandr | what would cause someone to have a flag (laser/shockwave) and not be able to use it (can't see shots) |
| 08:15.17 | Jormungandr | or even see the shockwave bubble. |
| 08:16.15 | MrApathyCream | is the server the very latest cvs? |
| 08:16.19 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 08:16.23 | Jormungandr | yesterday |
| 08:16.35 | MrApathyCream | put -dd on, and see if you get any messages about speed or lifetime problems |
| 08:16.49 | Jormungandr | can't even see the laser beams at all |
| 08:16.53 | Jormungandr | no one can. |
| 08:17.05 | Jormungandr | let me add -dd |
| 08:17.55 | MrApathyCream | are you having problems with radar? |
| 08:18.04 | MrApathyCream | also: do a full build |
| 08:18.14 | MrApathyCream | people had problems who didn't (on *nix) |
| 08:19.13 | Jormungandr | uread() fuzzy udp up for player 1 68.99.227.92:17200 actual port 27200 |
| 08:19.13 | Jormungandr | shot lifetime mismatch 3.500000 0.350000 |
| 08:19.23 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 08:19.27 | MrApathyCream | you were Rikered |
| 08:19.31 | Jormungandr | ? |
| 08:19.35 | MrApathyCream | the latest cvs is busted |
| 08:19.39 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 08:19.41 | Jormungandr | :( |
| 08:19.47 | MrApathyCream | you can temporarily fix it |
| 08:19.53 | Jormungandr | how's that? |
| 08:19.57 | MrApathyCream | one sec |
| 08:20.45 | MrApathyCream | look for these lines in bzfs.cxx and comment out |
| 08:20.46 | MrApathyCream | -- |
| 08:20.46 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.47 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.47 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.47 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.48 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.50 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.52 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.54 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.56 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.58 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.00 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.02 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.06 | MrApathyCream | -- |
| 08:21.08 | MrApathyCream | also if you do an update you will able to now do |
| 08:21.10 | Jormungandr | are they all together? |
| 08:21.16 | MrApathyCream | Jormungandr: yes |
| 08:21.27 | MrApathyCream | +f L{8} +f good{2} |
| 08:21.28 | MrApathyCream | etc |
| 08:21.41 | Jormungandr | if I update, is it fixed, or do I need to fix update, too? |
| 08:21.47 | MrApathyCream | need to fix update too |
| 08:21.52 | Jormungandr | k |
| 08:24.52 | Jormungandr | updating now. |
| 08:26.50 | Jormungandr | there are wierd lines in the updated cvs that I don't understand. |
| 08:27.06 | Jormungandr | <<<<<<< bzfs.cxx |
| 08:27.06 | Jormungandr | ======= |
| 08:27.10 | Jormungandr | is that valid c? |
| 08:27.13 | MrApathyCream | uhoh |
| 08:27.15 | scanline | that's a conflict |
| 08:27.16 | Jormungandr | >>>>>>> 1.85.2.114 |
| 08:27.17 | MrApathyCream | merge probelm |
| 08:27.17 | Proton_Man | Jormungandr: cvs up -C bzfs.cxx |
| 08:27.19 | MrApathyCream | looking |
| 08:27.33 | Jormungandr | what does -C do? |
| 08:27.55 | Proton_Man | Jormungandr: overwrites without trying to merge |
| 08:28.00 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 08:28.11 | Jormungandr | well, I was updating because of new stuff :) |
| 08:28.17 | Jormungandr | I'll just wait for a fix. |
| 08:28.34 | Jormungandr | cvs is confusing to my old brain. |
| 08:28.53 | MrApathyCream | just cd to bzflag/src/bzfs |
| 08:28.56 | MrApathyCream | and do a |
| 08:29.01 | MrApathyCream | cvs up -C bzfs.cxx |
| 08:29.02 | MrApathyCream | no probs |
| 08:29.06 | Jormungandr | okie. |
| 08:29.24 | scanline | it's not a problem in the CVS repository, it's in your local copy, so if you wait for a fix you'll be waiting a long time |
| 08:29.31 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 08:30.22 | Jormungandr | if I just rm my whole copy and start over, it'd be fixed? |
| 08:30.37 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 08:30.45 | MrApathyCream | not the bug |
| 08:30.54 | MrApathyCream | the merge will, by why do that? |
| 08:32.17 | Jormungandr | because I don't trust cvs :) I just -C'd it. |
| 08:33.16 | Jormungandr | making again |
| 08:34.02 | MrApathyCream | don't forget to comment out the problems in bzfs.cxx |
| 08:34.18 | MrApathyCream | Hmm FiringInfo is foobared in client |
| 08:34.35 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 08:34.35 | MrApathyCream | shot speedup (MG, L,etc) multiplies the tank speed as well. |
| 08:34.49 | MrApathyCream | i *hope* this is new |
| 08:36.55 | Jormungandr | new bug.. I have -ms 2 in conf, and it's letting me do 1 shot. |
| 08:37.17 | MrApathyCream | making you do 1 shot? |
| 08:37.25 | MrApathyCream | limiting? |
| 08:37.31 | Jormungandr | instead of ms 2, it's doing ms 1 |
| 08:37.42 | Jormungandr | with ms 2 in the config |
| 08:38.27 | MrApathyCream | trying |
| 08:38.45 | Jormungandr | rejoined and it works |
| 08:39.05 | Jormungandr | it was right after I dropped GM. |
| 08:39.11 | Jormungandr | gunna play around with it. |
| 08:39.46 | Jormungandr | seems to be okay now. |
| 08:39.48 | Jormungandr | that was wierd. |
| 08:40.42 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 08:40.49 | MrApathyCream | don't see the -ms 2 thing here |
| 08:42.03 | MrApathyCream | off to bed |
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| 09:17.01 | sussudio | PIG |
| 09:19.18 | Pinguin | PIG= Progress is gone? |
| 09:19.41 | sussudio | ~pig pinguin |
| 09:19.42 | | pinguin is 67% pig! |
| 09:20.11 | Pinguin | Hm ... what does this number mean? |
| 09:20.24 | sussudio | you're 2 thirds piggy |
| 09:20.33 | Pinguin | aha |
| 09:20.43 | Pinguin | ~pig sussudio |
| 09:20.44 | | sussudio is 73% pig! |
| 09:20.44 | sussudio | so youre almost a wienerschnitzel |
| 09:20.50 | Pinguin | aha |
| 09:21.03 | sussudio | just ask prozac |
| 09:21.31 | Pinguin | prozac? Who is this? |
| 09:21.36 | sussudio | ~prozac |
| 09:21.37 | | Prozac is prodan |
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| 09:41.15 | *** join/#bzflag bomber (~bomber@ap97.physik.uni-frankfurt.de) |
| 09:41.19 | bomber | moin |
| 09:43.56 | sussudio | moin piggy |
| 09:47.05 | Pinguin | ~pib bomber |
| 09:47.09 | Pinguin | ~pig bomber |
| 09:47.10 | | bomber is 26% pig! |
| 09:47.15 | Pinguin | oha ... |
| 09:51.49 | *** join/#bzflag hardwire_ (~hardwire@12-252-5-124.client.attbi.com) |
| 10:23.44 | *** part/#bzflag jneves (~Really@a212-113-187-169.netcabo.pt) |
| 10:37.45 | bomber | ~pig Pinguin |
| 10:37.50 | | Pinguin is 72% pig! |
| 10:37.56 | bomber | muhaaaaa |
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| 11:40.08 | *** join/#bzflag hardwire_ (~hardwire@12-252-5-124.client.attbi.com) |
| 12:22.44 | sussudio | while (some_idiot_using_<1.7e6) Nupgrade YOU BASTARD |
| 12:25.57 | Chestal | what is this pig stuff anyway? |
| 12:26.26 | scanline | ~pig bunnies |
| 12:26.27 | | bunnies is 21% pig! |
| 12:29.35 | sussudio | ~bunnies |
| 12:42.31 | Secret_Hamster | ~pig ibot |
| 12:42.36 | | ibot is 14% pig! |
| 12:42.57 | Secret_Hamster | ~pig nopig |
| 12:42.59 | | nopig is 45% pig! |
| 12:50.39 | bomber | ~pig sussudio |
| 12:50.44 | | sussudio is 11% pig! |
| 12:50.52 | bomber | only 11% |
| 12:50.55 | bomber | nhmm |
| 12:52.42 | Chestal | it's obvously jsut a random number |
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| 12:52.56 | sussudio | well, duh. |
| 12:58.06 | sussudio | ~literal pig (*. |
| 12:58.11 | | (*. is (1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)(0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)% pig! |
| 12:59.40 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@24.156.129.90) |
| 12:59.51 | bzgirl | hello |
| 13:00.20 | sussudio | lo. |
| 13:18.59 | Secret_Hamster | hi <insert your nick here>, how are your how's the <wife/dog/hamster/kids>. I'm fine, yea really |
| 13:19.25 | scanline | heh |
| 14:11.45 | sussudio | anyone want to try a ducati style game to see how a server holds up? |
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| 14:17.22 | bzdoug_ | ah, so it random |
| 14:17.48 | bzdoug_ | ~literal ducati |
| 14:17.49 | | ducati is <reply> see bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5155 |
| 14:18.27 | bzdoug_ | ~no, jzaun is <reply> see bzfquery jzaun.com:5155 |
| 14:18.34 | bzdoug_ | ~jzaun |
| 14:18.35 | | bzfquerylong jzaun.com 5155 |
| 14:18.38 | bzdoug_ | grr |
| 14:18.47 | bzdoug_ | stoooopid robots |
| 14:21.38 | sussudio | well i guess 80kbps upstream is too little for bzfs |
| 14:21.52 | bzdoug_ | gee, you think so |
| 14:21.55 | sussudio | ~sud |
| 14:22.00 | | shut up doug |
| 14:22.07 | bzgirl | it was a little laggy with only 2 players |
| 14:22.21 | bzgirl | 6 might be really bad |
| 14:22.24 | sussudio | anyway, i installed bzflag-server through ssh and ran the server..... |
| 14:22.56 | sussudio | maybe they'll up the upstream soon.... |
| 14:23.33 | sussudio | downstream is 150 or something |
| 14:23.54 | bzdoug_ | anyone up for a game in BZX? |
| 14:23.59 | sussudio | bzx? |
| 14:24.04 | bzdoug_ | http://www.bakadigital.com/bzx/ |
| 14:24.06 | bzgirl | whats that? |
| 14:25.35 | bzdoug_ | hmm, it had a problem with compiling on linux |
| 14:25.40 | bzdoug_ | a missing = sgn |
| 14:25.49 | bzdoug_ | I dunno if patlabor221 fixed it |
| 14:26.19 | bzgirl | id have to learn all those buttons to hold down? hmm |
| 14:26.21 | sussudio | you can probably squeeze a woody install for bzfs in less than 200mb |
| 14:26.43 | bzdoug_ | bzgirl: it aint that hard |
| 14:26.50 | bzgirl | sussudio: he has 4gb i think, so he should be ok |
| 14:27.08 | sussudio | myeah |
| 14:27.12 | bzdoug_ | jzaun.com:5156 |
| 14:27.14 | bzgirl | sussudio: 200 is tiny! |
| 14:27.29 | sussudio | it cost quite a bit when i got it in the 1800's |
| 14:27.30 | bzgirl | bzdoug_: its still more than i care to remember :) |
| 14:27.45 | sussudio | like 600 dollah! |
| 14:27.54 | sussudio | and it still works...... |
| 14:28.02 | sussudio | unlike some other crap harddisks i got after that |
| 14:28.22 | bzdoug_ | bah |
| 14:28.39 | sussudio | and the fun thing about leeeeeeenux is that you can just copy over the system without ghost or shit like that........ |
| 14:28.53 | sussudio | you just make ext2 on it, mount it cp -ax / /newdisk and away you go |
| 14:29.21 | bzdoug_ | ~bzfquery jzaun.com:5156 |
| 14:29.27 | bzdoug_ | BAH! |
| 14:29.51 | bzdoug_ | ~bzfquery jzaun.com:5157 |
| 14:29.58 | bzdoug_ | aha |
| 14:31.51 | bzdoug_ | meet ya there |
| 14:32.27 | bzdoug_ | and I have the only copy that works on all 1.7 servers |
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| 15:34.05 | bzdoug_ | y0|_| @|)\3 @ |_053|)\ |
| 15:34.49 | scanline | ibot: tr .leet .en "y0|_| @|)\3 @ |_053|)\" |
| 15:34.50 | | scanline: I give up, what is it? |
| 15:36.26 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 15:36.31 | bzdoug_ | ~x leet en y0|_| @|)\3 @ |_053|)\ |
| 15:36.40 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 15:36.42 | bzdoug_ | silly |
| 15:36.59 | scanline | I could never remember the syntax for that one |
| 15:40.28 | chsh | lol |
| 15:41.03 | chsh | scanline> tr is just a replacer a la sed |
| 15:41.29 | chsh | echo "I like traffic lights" | tr "traffic" "flood" = "I like flood lights" |
| 15:41.36 | scanline | I think in the infobot-based ibot, 'tr' was the translation keyword |
| 15:41.50 | chsh | ;) |
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| 16:13.30 | Secret_Hamster | geez the green team guys are bad |
| 16:13.40 | Secret_Hamster | they run away from there own flag! |
| 16:18.48 | hardwire_ | hi |
| 16:20.29 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 16:21.37 | hardwire | blah blah blah |
| 16:22.11 | bzdoug__ | country |
| 16:22.18 | bzdoug__ | like, oh, holland |
| 16:22.24 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:22.28 | hardwire | the country of pants |
| 16:22.31 | hardwire | go invade pants |
| 16:22.35 | bzdoug__ | of sussudio's |
| 16:23.40 | hardwire | so.. I have these speakers sitting by the side of my bed |
| 16:23.43 | hardwire | computer speakers |
| 16:23.46 | hardwire | both pointed up |
| 16:23.53 | hardwire | so I don't disturb others while they sleep |
| 16:24.00 | hardwire | I can't sleep w/o music |
| 16:24.20 | hardwire | I set my beer down on a shelf next to my bed |
| 16:24.34 | hardwire | then.. sometime during the night.. I reached over and spilled the beer all over my speaker |
| 16:24.36 | hardwire | :( |
| 16:24.44 | bzdoug__ | hahahahah |
| 16:24.47 | bzdoug__ | er |
| 16:24.50 | bzdoug__ | ohoohohohoh |
| 16:24.53 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:25.06 | bzdoug__ | I use headphones |
| 16:25.07 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 16:25.30 | hardwire | but you can't sleep that way |
| 16:25.41 | hardwire | I have super uber huge.. as well as eintsy teensy ones |
| 16:25.49 | hardwire | the tiny ones are wrap arounds |
| 16:26.04 | hardwire | I sooo don't want my ears to grow into a dumbo state by me wearing those every night |
| 16:26.55 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 16:34.24 | hardwire | __ ? |
| 16:34.57 | hardwire | bzdoug__ are you just demonstrating that you have a longer wang than bzgirl?.. with the extra __ to the name? |
| 16:37.39 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 16:37.40 | bzdoug__ | no |
| 16:37.44 | bzdoug__ | cuz I reconnect |
| 16:37.47 | bzdoug__ | over and over |
| 16:42.52 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:42.57 | hardwire | I was just doing all those |
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| 16:44.57 | hardwire | oil |
| 16:45.45 | hardwire | doh! |
| 16:46.46 | bzdougg | lol |
| 16:47.36 | hardwire | yay.. my speakers work |
| 16:47.47 | bzdougg | aya! |
| 16:47.50 | bzdougg | my headphones work! |
| 16:48.03 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:48.25 | hardwire | I am using the "rear speakers" port on my sblive |
| 16:48.29 | hardwire | interesting stuff |
| 16:48.37 | bzdougg | oh? |
| 16:48.42 | hardwire | 4 speakers on a computer.. that wants to just play mp3's |
| 16:48.43 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:48.49 | sussudio | so you actually put those speaker up your rear, then? |
| 16:49.02 | hardwire | sussudio: I just wanted to feel some sort of vibe |
| 16:49.05 | sussudio | for that deep bass effect |
| 16:49.21 | bzdougg | I allways wanted to design a set of headphones with 4 speakers in it and tie it into the rear things |
| 16:49.37 | hardwire | bzdougg: actually those already exist |
| 16:49.45 | hardwire | you are wearing them :) |
| 16:50.55 | sussudio | to quote samir.... "Back up in your ass with the resurrection!" |
| 16:51.21 | hardwire | A company I worked for a while back was in ties with a 3d audio system that used their own OpenAL style sound playback system.. then converted the output of each channel into two channels.. you could make things feel 3 to whatever feet away |
| 16:51.25 | hardwire | in any direction |
| 16:51.32 | hardwire | it was a very interesting thing |
| 16:51.56 | hardwire | too bad the processor unit for it was a seperate system running NT! |
| 16:52.00 | hardwire | idiots |
| 16:52.43 | hardwire | I think they are out of bunsiess now |
| 16:54.25 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 16:54.28 | bzdougg | I do? |
| 16:54.46 | bzdougg | I saw some plans for headphones with 4 speakers init |
| 16:55.14 | bzdougg | that my brothers are playing tuxracer with.... |
| 16:55.15 | bzdougg | lol |
| 16:57.10 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 16:57.20 | bzdougg | how would I use the rear channels? |
| 16:57.25 | bzdougg | what uses them? |
| 16:57.34 | bzdougg | is there any surround sound demos I can listen to? |
| 17:02.00 | scanline | hardwire: you have any openal experience? |
| 17:04.01 | bzdougg | you you kidding? |
| 17:04.06 | bzdougg | you invented openal |
| 17:04.14 | bzdougg | he did |
| 17:04.17 | bzdougg | yea... |
| 17:04.45 | scanline | ? |
| 17:04.59 | scanline | ~sud |
| 17:05.03 | | shut up doug |
| 17:20.18 | hardwire | scanline: sorry I was.. being dorky |
| 17:20.28 | hardwire | no I don't have any programming openAl experience |
| 17:20.41 | scanline | just curious |
| 17:20.56 | hardwire | hmm |
| 17:21.02 | hardwire | friend of mine just set up subversion server |
| 17:21.09 | hardwire | and I just got used to bk |
| 17:21.16 | scanline | svn is cool |
| 17:21.21 | scanline | and it has a better license :) |
| 17:21.23 | hardwire | I should give it a shot? |
| 17:21.38 | scanline | definitely. svn's interface is so close to CVS that it doesn't take much to learn |
| 17:22.36 | hardwire | ok |
| 17:22.49 | hardwire | well I have a u/p on the svn server |
| 17:22.58 | hardwire | might as well give it a shot |
| 17:23.02 | hardwire | I just wanna hug BK sometimes |
| 17:23.35 | hardwire | why does subversion have its own liscence? |
| 17:25.35 | hardwire | I wishmy cats would stop humping |
| 17:25.47 | *** join/#bzflag bzdoug__ (SteveJobs@216.135.68.133) |
| 17:25.55 | bzdoug__ | dumb and dumberer |
| 17:27.09 | hardwire | hmm.. dumb and dumberer is when both chars are a lot younger right |
| 17:27.25 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 17:27.28 | hardwire | hmm |
| 17:27.35 | bzdoug__ | how do I use the rear speaker port? |
| 17:27.43 | hardwire | you plug speakers into it |
| 17:27.52 | bzdoug__ | yea |
| 17:28.00 | bzdoug__ | but how to I make it use it... |
| 17:28.03 | bzdoug__ | ... |
| 17:28.05 | hardwire | the dsp on the sblive takes care of the make use of it |
| 17:28.09 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 17:28.11 | bzdoug__ | thats slick |
| 17:28.17 | bzdoug__ | but its not surround sound? |
| 17:28.17 | hardwire | imagine a standard dolby 5.1 environment |
| 17:28.23 | bzdoug__ | hm |
| 17:28.29 | hardwire | to make better use of them.. enable extrastereo in apps that support that filter |
| 17:28.32 | hardwire | like mplayer and xmms |
| 17:28.35 | bzdoug__ | oooh |
| 17:28.38 | bzdoug__ | like games |
| 17:28.44 | hardwire | I dunno which games support that |
| 17:28.49 | bzdoug__ | AA for starters |
| 17:28.51 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 17:28.56 | bzdoug__ | ok doke.... |
| 17:29.15 | hardwire | it is kinda nice having no midtones whatsoever behind me |
| 17:29.22 | bzdoug__ | hehe |
| 17:29.34 | hardwire | it just puts a neat contrast on the way you hear music |
| 17:29.41 | bzdoug__ | ooh, thats heavy |
| 17:29.50 | bzdoug__ | both headphones squise my ears |
| 17:29.51 | hardwire | heavy... jive turkey |
| 17:30.06 | sussudio | bzdoug__: get headphone that cost more than 5 dollah |
| 17:30.10 | sussudio | SOLDIERBOY |
| 17:30.18 | bzdoug__ | I have 40 dollah headphones thank you |
| 17:30.23 | sussudio | hah |
| 17:30.28 | sussudio | i have 300 dollah headphones |
| 17:30.31 | bzdoug__ | uh uhh |
| 17:30.33 | sussudio | 40 dollah = suck |
| 17:30.40 | bzdoug__ | huh |
| 17:30.50 | bzdoug__ | 5 dollah headphones = suck |
| 17:31.02 | sussudio | 40 dollah = suck too |
| 17:31.09 | bzdoug__ | sussudio = suck |
| 17:31.14 | sussudio | nuh uh. |
| 17:31.18 | hardwire | scanline: used svn? |
| 17:31.19 | sussudio | me have goooood headphones |
| 17:31.26 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 17:31.47 | bzdoug__ | I get no sound out of rear headphones |
| 17:31.49 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 17:31.54 | bzdoug__ | but I AM playing a mp3 |
| 17:31.57 | bzdoug__ | let me try a game |
| 17:32.18 | hardwire | turn up the sound |
| 17:32.19 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:32.23 | bzdoug__ | I did |
| 17:32.36 | hardwire | LOUDA! |
| 17:32.36 | bzdoug__ | but there isnt rear speaker sound adjustment |
| 17:32.43 | bzdoug__ | HUH? |
| 17:32.46 | bzdoug__ | I CANT HEAR YOU! |
| 17:32.47 | hardwire | no.. its automagic |
| 17:32.50 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 17:33.01 | hardwire | what drivers are you using? |
| 17:33.07 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 17:33.13 | bzdoug__ | standard windowz drivers |
| 17:33.15 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 17:33.25 | hardwire | oh |
| 17:33.25 | hardwire | haha |
| 17:33.28 | hardwire | well.. windows |
| 17:33.29 | bzdoug__ | huh |
| 17:33.58 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:34.58 | bzdoug__ | oh my |
| 17:35.03 | bzdoug__ | creative has its own channel |
| 17:35.10 | bzdoug__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.11 | bzdoug__ | lol |
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| 17:36.14 | hardwire | eeenuckchuck |
| 17:36.22 | bzdoug__ | SHOOP! |
| 17:36.35 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 17:36.36 | hardwire | don't you shoop on me |
| 17:36.37 | sussudio | just look at the soundcard properties :-P |
| 17:36.42 | bzdoug__ | what sound card do I have? |
| 17:36.53 | sussudio | :-| |
| 17:37.05 | sussudio | wittle wellow speakew |
| 17:37.05 | hardwire | bzdoug__: my mom says I am no longer supposed to talk to you.. cause you will just make me dumer |
| 17:37.10 | bzdoug__ | its a live |
| 17:37.12 | bzdoug__ | hardwire: heh |
| 17:37.34 | bzdoug__ | but the website has a like 12 other cards |
| 17:37.40 | bzdoug__ | under the live catgory |
| 17:37.41 | hardwire | AAAAAAAH! |
| 17:37.43 | hardwire | the insanity |
| 17:37.55 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 17:37.59 | bzdoug__ | I have 2 sound cards now |
| 17:38.02 | bzdoug__ | one on the mobo |
| 17:38.06 | bzdoug__ | and one SB live |
| 17:38.14 | sussudio | yeah so... i have 2 too. |
| 17:38.15 | bzdoug__ | 6.1!!!!! |
| 17:38.19 | bzdoug__ | bwuahahah |
| 17:39.30 | hardwire | ? |
| 17:39.53 | bzdoug__ | 2 sound cards... one has 4 speakers... the other has 2 more... |
| 17:40.04 | bzdoug__ | but I bet its impossible to get all 6 to work |
| 17:40.33 | sussudio | use 2 winamps :-| |
| 17:40.48 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:40.48 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 17:40.59 | sussudio | you can set soundcards in winamp.... |
| 17:41.06 | bzdoug__ | Environmental Specifications |
| 17:41.11 | bzdoug__ | Drop Test: 30cm above concrete ground on all 6 sides |
| 17:41.18 | bzdoug__ | thats one strong sound card |
| 17:41.20 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 17:41.48 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 17:41.55 | bzdoug__ | I might have a SB 512 |
| 17:42.03 | bzdoug__ | it also has rear speaker ports |
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| 17:48.12 | scanline | hi lurgyman! |
| 17:48.13 | bzdoug__ | 'lo lurgyman |
| 17:48.34 | scanline | lurgyman: I just posted a new jetstream movie :) |
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| 17:59.14 | bzdoug__ | ok doke... |
| 18:03.10 | lurgyman | scanline: yay! |
| 18:03.17 | lurgyman | hi all |
| 18:03.29 | lurgyman | see y'all in a bit |
| 18:04.37 | bzdoug__ | huh |
| 18:04.42 | bzdoug__ | I have a 512 card |
| 18:07.28 | bzdoug__ | hmm, windows NT stuff |
| 18:07.30 | bzdoug__ | ugh |
| 18:07.34 | bzdoug__ | I hope theres an update for it |
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| 18:08.51 | bzdoug__ | hardwire: hehe, the driver cd I have uses NT stuff... |
| 18:09.51 | bzdoug__ | found a new guy named firewire |
| 18:10.54 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@planetg.virtualgibbs.com) |
| 18:11.08 | bzdoug__ | 'lo Patlabor221!!!!!! |
| 18:11.15 | bzdoug__ | 'lo 'lo 'lo!!! |
| 18:11.45 | wallydog | hey, doug, patlabor -- do either of you run linux on a dell inspiron 8200? |
| 18:12.00 | bzdoug__ | wallydog: not me |
| 18:12.12 | bzdoug__ | wallydog: patlabor runs linux on a dell laptop |
| 18:12.19 | bzdoug__ | but I dont know what model |
| 18:12.44 | bzdoug__ | ~wallydog |
| 18:12.50 | bzdoug__ | ~whois wallydog |
| 18:12.58 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 18:13.10 | hardwire | I guess somebody felt like fucking with opn and slashnet |
| 18:13.11 | bzdoug__ | hmmm |
| 18:13.17 | bzdoug__ | odd |
| 18:13.46 | wallydog | on dad's machine -- my laptop crapped out and I wanted to find a replacement that will handle 3d very well -- the inspiron looks promising, but I'm not sure bout the ATI card |
| 18:13.49 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 18:13.51 | wallydog | lol |
| 18:13.57 | bzdoug__ | ugh |
| 18:14.03 | bzdoug__ | I hate it when a laptop dies |
| 18:14.11 | wallydog | it actually blew up! |
| 18:14.14 | bzdoug__ | oh? |
| 18:14.18 | bzdoug__ | like how? |
| 18:14.18 | wallydog | smoke came pouring out |
| 18:14.23 | bzdoug__ | coooool!!!!! |
| 18:14.25 | *** join/#bzflag scanline (~micah@12-252-164-11.client.attbi.com) |
| 18:14.34 | bzdoug__ | you should have a video of it and post it on slashdot |
| 18:14.37 | bzdoug__ | er, something |
| 18:14.43 | wallydog | 3 chips got fragged somehow -- the PCI bridge, the IRDA controller, and some unknown chip |
| 18:14.49 | bzdoug__ | ick |
| 18:14.55 | bzdoug__ | important stuff |
| 18:15.14 | bzdoug__ | pci bridge is important |
| 18:15.16 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 18:15.44 | wallydog | seems like a jumper wire got run to bare wire and contacted a pin on the irda controller (I have no idea how insulation gets stripped from a stationary wire, but whatever) |
| 18:15.55 | bzdoug__ | haha |
| 18:15.57 | bzdoug__ | heat |
| 18:15.59 | bzdoug__ | melt |
| 18:16.01 | wallydog | Patlabor221: you in here? |
| 18:16.17 | bzdoug__ | I had a computer here that someone saw the loose wire |
| 18:16.22 | bzdoug__ | and they pluged it in |
| 18:16.24 | bzdoug__ | but.... |
| 18:16.33 | bzdoug__ | that wasnt where it went |
| 18:16.34 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 18:16.37 | wallydog | heh |
| 18:16.39 | bzdoug__ | melted wire |
| 18:16.42 | wallydog | phoom! |
| 18:16.45 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 18:16.56 | bzdoug__ | they pluged it into a fan plug or somethiun |
| 18:16.59 | wallydog | yeah -- but the laptop doesn't get opened - so I've no idea why it did this |
| 18:17.02 | wallydog | very odd |
| 18:17.04 | bzdoug__ | indeed |
| 18:17.11 | bzdoug__ | terristes |
| 18:17.18 | wallydog | absolutely |
| 18:17.18 | bzdoug__ | sabutage |
| 18:17.49 | wallydog | alright, well, back to searching -- thanks |
| 18:17.56 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 18:17.56 | bzdoug__ | cta |
| 18:17.57 | bzdoug__ | cya |
| 18:17.58 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 18:18.01 | *** part/#bzflag wallydog (~me@66-159-173-47.adsl.snet.net) |
| 18:18.38 | bzdoug__ | sussudio: ok-- |
| 18:20.32 | sussudio | You have moderator access and 5 points. Welcome to those of you just joining: please read the moderator guidelines for instructions. |
| 18:20.33 | sussudio | snort. |
| 18:20.50 | bzdoug__ | hehe |
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| 18:27.47 | bzdoug__ | ooh, surround sound headphones |
| 18:29.04 | hardwire | :) |
| 18:29.18 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 18:29.25 | Patlabor221 | I am here now |
| 18:29.35 | bzdoug__ | I do look silly with 2 headphones on my head |
| 18:29.41 | bzdoug__ | 'lo paulj |
| 18:29.44 | bzdoug__ | erg |
| 18:29.46 | bzdoug__ | 'lo Patlabor221 |
| 18:31.40 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 18:31.48 | bzdoug__ | did you see movix? |
| 18:32.32 | bzdoug__ | http://movix.sourceforge.net |
| 18:33.05 | hardwire | grr |
| 18:33.16 | hardwire | I don't like sharing our washer and drywe with people that don't live here |
| 18:33.22 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 18:33.34 | hardwire | drywe! |
| 18:33.52 | hardwire | just use OpenAL |
| 18:33.57 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 18:34.02 | bzdoug__ | you make it work |
| 18:34.03 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 18:34.06 | hardwire | no.. you make it work |
| 18:34.12 | bzdoug__ | you! |
| 18:34.16 | Patlabor221 | or Fmod |
| 18:34.27 | scanline | bah.. fmod is non-opensource! |
| 18:34.35 | Patlabor221 | but it's free :) |
| 18:34.38 | bzdoug__ | hah |
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| 18:34.50 | scanline | Free as in smelly tuna, not as in speech |
| 18:34.52 | Patlabor221 | less people to go muck it up |
| 18:34.55 | [TeA|TrEE] | hello |
| 18:35.00 | bzdoug__ | is smelly tuna free? |
| 18:35.07 | Patlabor221 | not allways |
| 18:35.07 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 18:35.25 | bzdoug__ | oh thats neat sounding.... surround sound... |
| 18:36.13 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:36.15 | hardwire | err |
| 18:36.17 | hardwire | no.. thats bad |
| 18:36.21 | bzdoug__ | ugh |
| 18:36.22 | Patlabor221 | that it is |
| 18:36.23 | sussudio | been eating nails again? |
| 18:36.25 | bzdoug__ | then dont |
| 18:36.31 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 18:36.42 | bzdoug__ | sussudio: finger nails dont fall off fingers very well |
| 18:36.48 | Patlabor221 | I wish it was as simple as that |
| 18:36.59 | sussudio | bzdoug__: naaaaaaaaaails.... like the ones you hammer into wood. |
| 18:37.13 | bzdoug__ | oh |
| 18:37.30 | sussudio | i saw an xray on the net somewhere of someone who ate like 8 kilos of nails |
| 18:37.36 | bzdoug__ | ugh |
| 18:37.47 | sussudio | i'd have to be the one to go to the toilet after that |
| 18:38.09 | Patlabor221 | ewwww hardware, I didn't think you swung for the other team. |
| 18:38.18 | hardwire | who? |
| 18:38.27 | hardwire | get it right tanker boy! |
| 18:38.52 | bzdoug__ | wow, that just sounds too cool |
| 18:39.14 | Patlabor221 | when you "nail" someone here it's usualy of the biblical "know" sense |
| 18:40.15 | sussudio | like to a cross |
| 18:40.22 | Patlabor221 | umm know |
| 18:40.26 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 18:40.38 | sussudio | no? |
| 18:40.42 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 18:40.53 | Patlabor221 | ohh you can leave him |
| 18:40.58 | bzdoug__ | know? |
| 18:41.06 | sussudio | stones, 5 for a buck! |
| 18:41.06 | Patlabor221 | be sure to salt the wounds |
| 18:41.10 | bzdoug__ | gnu! |
| 18:41.17 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 18:41.52 | bzdoug__ | gno! |
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| 18:42.59 | Patlabor221 | *sigh* reload time/max player shots should not be tied to shot lifetime, and the size of the shot list |
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| 18:43.10 | scanline | ooh, a kcachegrind ebuild in gentoo |
| 18:45.11 | hardwire | scanline: bah.. any idea how to create a svn repository.. remotely? |
| 18:45.11 | bzdoug__ | and be public? |
| 18:45.36 | Patlabor221 | no I don't think there is a public option on that menu |
| 18:45.43 | Patlabor221 | bit that would be a good thing to add |
| 18:45.48 | Patlabor221 | and get rid of TTL |
| 18:46.02 | scanline | hardwire: dunno, Proton_Man set up the repository we use for jetstream |
| 18:46.02 | Patlabor221 | I made it so you could add { "1", "2", "3","5","8","10","15","20" }; shots |
| 18:46.16 | hardwire | scanline: danke |
| 18:46.28 | Patlabor221 | cap had to create my repository roots for them |
| 18:46.33 | Patlabor221 | I mean for mine |
| 18:46.37 | hardwire | so its a server side thing |
| 18:46.40 | Patlabor221 | then I could add folders to those roots |
| 18:46.44 | Patlabor221 | initaly yes |
| 18:46.48 | hardwire | ok |
| 18:46.52 | bzdoug__ | 20 shots? |
| 18:46.54 | hardwire | the svn admin is asleep :( |
| 18:46.55 | Patlabor221 | svn import I think added the folders |
| 18:47.12 | scanline | ow |
| 18:48.26 | Patlabor221 | I doo need a good mine drop sound |
| 18:48.44 | Patlabor221 | MAC Got me the perfect "phoont" |
| 18:50.37 | Patlabor221 | now what I want to know is how XXX found out about bzx? |
| 18:51.56 | hardwire | XXX? |
| 18:52.23 | Patlabor221 | or sometimes XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXx |
| 18:53.05 | Patlabor221 | check the ban list |
| 18:54.17 | hardwire | I hear there is gonna be a sequel to xXx |
| 18:54.27 | hardwire | oOo and xXx join forces |
| 18:54.32 | Patlabor221 | yes there is |
| 18:54.38 | hardwire | xoXOxo |
| 18:56.48 | [TeA|TrEE] | OoOoO |
| 18:57.22 | [TeA|TrEE] | sussudio ?????? |
| 18:57.37 | sussudio | what |
| 18:59.21 | [TeA|TrEE] | what was the Horinzonatl and VertSync yesterday again |
| 18:59.53 | scanline | 1.21 jiggahertz |
| 19:00.05 | [TeA|TrEE] | nooooo |
| 19:00.11 | sussudio | errrrr |
| 19:00.15 | sussudio | i'd have to check my logs :-P |
| 19:01.02 | sussudio | [18:52:25] <sussudio> HorizSync 31.5 - 65.0 |
| 19:01.03 | sussudio | [18:52:33] <sussudio> VertRefresh 59.90-75.029 |
| 19:02.28 | sussudio | the vertical refresh seems kinda narrow..... |
| 19:02.36 | sussudio | or maybe it's just a cheap monitor |
| 19:02.47 | Patlabor221 | oooo jiggglyhtz |
| 19:03.10 | sussudio | mine is 30/70 - 50/160 |
| 19:04.29 | *** join/#bzflag lurgyman (~dkuester@grison.Colorado.EDU) |
| 19:04.55 | sussudio | what server am i supposed to connect to with bzx? |
| 19:04.56 | bzdoug__ | my vsync is 200 |
| 19:05.05 | bzdoug__ | sussudio: start a jzaun server |
| 19:05.16 | sussudio | isnt it a bad idea to let it join any server? |
| 19:05.29 | bzdoug__ | no |
| 19:05.37 | bzdoug__ | its got its own list server |
| 19:05.39 | bzdoug__ | and server |
| 19:05.41 | bzdoug__ | version |
| 19:05.44 | bzdoug__ | so it cant connect |
| 19:05.50 | bzdoug__ | jzaun added BZX as an option |
| 19:05.52 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 19:06.01 | Patlabor221 | it won't join regular servers |
| 19:06.13 | Patlabor221 | tho I am not sure if the list serv is working for it |
| 19:06.26 | Patlabor221 | I need to get a perma server for it |
| 19:06.30 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 19:06.35 | bzdoug__ | ask riger |
| 19:06.37 | bzdoug__ | riker |
| 19:06.54 | Patlabor221 | I don't think he's just driping with bandwith |
| 19:07.09 | bzdoug__ | he hosts his own list server |
| 19:07.21 | bzdoug__ | it dont use up much bandwidth |
| 19:07.23 | Patlabor221 | he hosts THE list serv |
| 19:07.33 | bzdoug__ | yea |
| 19:12.24 | [TeA|TrEE] | 59.90-75.029 |
| 19:12.25 | [TeA|TrEE] | hmm |
| 19:12.29 | [TeA|TrEE] | a bit to long |
| 19:12.35 | sussudio | grunt. |
| 19:12.41 | sussudio | so make it 60-75 |
| 19:12.56 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 19:15.45 | [TeA|TrEE] | you shpuld try to configure your video card manually |
| 19:15.46 | [TeA|TrEE] | ..... |
| 19:15.48 | [TeA|TrEE] | blabla |
| 19:29.56 | sussudio | bzx on jzaun doesnt start |
| 19:30.07 | bzdoug__ | hmm, I thought do |
| 19:30.07 | bzdoug__ | so |
| 19:30.22 | bzdoug__ | jzaun must have broken it when he made it se diferent ports |
| 19:35.14 | hardwire | http://www.mazafaka.ru/lol/ctest/# |
| 19:57.48 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 20:05.05 | hardwire | scanline: how was diamond-test5.avi recorded? |
| 20:06.25 | scanline | in-game video recorder |
| 20:06.30 | hardwire | nupple eh |
| 20:06.33 | scanline | yep |
| 20:06.44 | hardwire | gl framebuffer to YUV nupple frames? |
| 20:06.52 | TimRiker | <bzdoug__> its got its own list server |
| 20:06.58 | TimRiker | huh? |
| 20:07.15 | bzdoug__ | TimRiker: BZX has its own list server |
| 20:07.28 | bzdoug__ | TimRiker: http://www.bakadigital.com/bzx/ |
| 20:07.32 | scanline | gl framebuffer -> textures -> polygons the size of the final video -> RGB framebuffer -> YUV framebuffer -> RTJpeg (optional) -> LZO (optional) -> nuppel |
| 20:07.50 | bzdoug__ | TimRiker: it only works on its own servers |
| 20:07.54 | hardwire | scanline: neat |
| 20:08.00 | TimRiker | ah. |
| 20:08.01 | hardwire | scanline: I need to talk to you about.. stuff.. sometime soon |
| 20:08.09 | scanline | :) |
| 20:08.10 | TimRiker | where's the list server? |
| 20:08.15 | hardwire | like come down and visit |
| 20:08.16 | bzdoug__ | bakadigital |
| 20:08.22 | scanline | brb, need coffee |
| 20:08.24 | bzdoug__ | its on Patlabor221's server |
| 20:08.27 | bzdoug__ | at his house |
| 20:08.41 | bzdoug__ | er |
| 20:08.48 | bzdoug__ | apartment |
| 20:09.16 | TimRiker | http://www.bakadigital.com:5156/ <- list server is up, nothing on the list though. |
| 20:09.43 | bzdoug__ | yea |
| 20:09.49 | bzdoug__ | no servers yet |
| 20:09.59 | bzdoug__ | jzaun had a thing setup |
| 20:10.10 | bzdoug__ | but for somereason it dont work now |
| 20:10.34 | Patlabor221 | tim has anyone done a list serv using the windows list server? |
| 20:10.47 | Patlabor221 | I don't know how it's suposed to work |
| 20:10.54 | bzdoug__ | ok |
| 20:11.00 | Patlabor221 | and it's not at my house |
| 20:11.01 | bzdoug__ | there should be a server setup |
| 20:11.03 | Patlabor221 | it's at my work |
| 20:11.06 | Patlabor221 | on a T1 |
| 20:11.13 | bzdoug__ | oh |
| 20:11.16 | bzdoug__ | thats nice |
| 20:11.30 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't seem like the list serv takes anything other then a filename |
| 20:11.37 | Patlabor221 | but I don't know what suposed to be in the file |
| 20:11.37 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 20:11.44 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: nobody else runs list servers that I know of. |
| 20:11.44 | hardwire | http://www.garrigans.com/topfuel/pwclaunchingl.jpg |
| 20:12.04 | bzdoug__ | hahahhaa |
| 20:12.26 | TimRiker | would be easier to change the centra list server to list them in as incompatible. like 1.8 servers don't show up under 1.7 clients etc. |
| 20:12.35 | bzdoug__ | yea |
| 20:12.41 | bzdoug__ | I thought that would work too |
| 20:12.57 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: sigusr1 dumps a listfile iirc might be usr2 |
| 20:15.41 | Patlabor221 | ohhh |
| 20:15.48 | Patlabor221 | we I can do that then |
| 20:15.51 | Patlabor221 | gotta go home tho |
| 20:19.48 | [TeA|TrEE] | #-# |
| 20:19.54 | [TeA|TrEE] | +ducatictf |
| 20:19.57 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 20:20.00 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducati |
| 20:21.11 | TimRiker | any mandrake club members? go vote for bzflag. ;-) |
| 20:27.22 | TimRiker | so /me is thinking it's time to break network compatibility to fully handle some of the cheat prevention. votes? |
| 20:28.29 | hardwire | here here! |
| 20:29.01 | hardwire | TimRiker: gonna make servers in control of physics now? |
| 20:31.04 | TimRiker | in control? perhaps, major thing is to verify what the clients are doing. |
| 20:31.11 | corndawg | hey all |
| 20:31.19 | corndawg | damn thing |
| 20:31.22 | jzaun | Hello all |
| 20:31.44 | hardwire | TimRiker: so.. noticing when people can jump too high? |
| 20:31.47 | hardwire | disconnect |
| 20:31.53 | hardwire | or turn while jumping |
| 20:32.51 | TimRiker | right, that kind of thing. |
| 20:33.17 | *** join/#bzflag lurgyman[grison] (~dkuester@grison.Colorado.EDU) |
| 20:33.25 | TimRiker | corndawg: what's up with the basement map? it's a bit odd. ;-) who's basement? ;-) |
| 20:33.42 | corndawg | lol i dunno.. |
| 20:33.55 | corndawg | only name i could think of since i started out with the first floor |
| 20:34.08 | corndawg | if ya got a better name.. lemme know |
| 20:35.38 | bzdoug__ | TimRiker: I vote too |
| 20:36.40 | bzdoug__ | never! |
| 20:36.42 | bzdoug__ | :P |
| 20:37.13 | enilnacs | I vote too |
| 20:37.16 | lurgyman[grison] | root@localhost# unalias enilnacs |
| 20:37.54 | lurgyman[grison] | i should install a faster shell |
| 20:37.58 | lurgyman[grison] | or stop compiling Qt |
| 20:38.05 | bzdougg | hehe |
| 20:38.08 | corndawg | tell ya what tho tim.. that map was a pain in the ass to make |
| 20:39.02 | jzaun | corndawg: it does look like it took a long time |
| 20:39.22 | corndawg | 2 days worth |
| 20:39.39 | TimRiker | corndawg: the top teleported is floating. was that intentional? |
| 20:39.44 | TimRiker | er teleporter |
| 20:39.52 | corndawg | floating? hum.. never noticed that |
| 20:40.04 | corndawg | could be intentional tho :) |
| 20:40.07 | TimRiker | lurgyman[grison]: just do that infinite times and you'll get a good one. |
| 20:40.08 | bzdougg | lurgyman[grison]: uh huh |
| 20:40.44 | scanline | lurgyman[grison]: oh no, you're compiling Qt too? |
| 20:40.58 | lurgyman[grison] | scanline: i already have Qt |
| 20:41.14 | lurgyman[grison] | :p |
| 20:41.22 | stibnite | is 28000 modem fast enough to play bzflag without a load of lag? |
| 20:41.31 | bzdougg | no |
| 20:41.32 | bzdougg | :) |
| 20:41.33 | TimRiker | nothing is fast enough. ;-) |
| 20:41.50 | stibnite | hehe, i just haven't been on a connect that slow in so long, i don't remember. |
| 20:42.02 | hardwire | a lan is fast enough |
| 20:42.03 | TimRiker | actually 28000 is playable, just avoid crowded servers. |
| 20:42.04 | corndawg | <-- has a 14.4 modem somewheres lol |
| 20:42.06 | stibnite | hehe, my server's connect is fast enough |
| 20:42.09 | hardwire | rather.. a peer to peer gigabit network is |
| 20:42.17 | stibnite | the ethernet card is the bottleneck |
| 20:42.37 | bzdougg | lol |
| 20:42.44 | bzdougg | telepathy |
| 20:43.01 | stibnite | ok, thanks! |
| 20:43.03 | hardwire | I think its a good thing that Armagetron does not have an public server list |
| 20:43.09 | lurgyman[grison] | it's some kind of telekepsychotigenic projection field! |
| 20:43.14 | bzdougg | lurgyman[grison]: yea |
| 20:43.28 | TimRiker | hardwire: why? |
| 20:43.36 | bzdougg | lurgyman[grison]: with an imporbability drive |
| 20:43.43 | hardwire | playing it over 10bt lan is not nearly fast enouggh |
| 20:43.56 | stibnite | oh, another question: how do i get bzcops on my server? i don't have the strength to handle the cheaters all by my lonesome... |
| 20:44.00 | bzdougg | GIGABIT ETHERNET is too slow |
| 20:44.16 | stibnite | dougg: you need 10GigE |
| 20:44.20 | bzdougg | ah |
| 20:44.48 | stibnite | actually, you need fiber channel or a scsi connect |
| 20:44.48 | stibnite | :) |
| 20:45.06 | hardwire | direct serial w/ no encapsulation |
| 20:45.08 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:45.15 | stibnite | any idea about bzcops? |
| 20:45.20 | hardwire | hmm |
| 20:45.33 | hardwire | well.. they have to go thru bzcopacademy first |
| 20:45.44 | hardwire | we are a little low atm of graduates |
| 20:46.08 | stibnite | i see. I don't want to be a bzcop. I want them to come to my server! |
| 20:46.40 | corndawg | first off.. you dont give out your server password to ppl you dont know |
| 20:46.52 | hardwire | advertise it as BZCop Academy |
| 20:47.03 | stibnite | ok. |
| 20:47.22 | *** join/#bzflag MortimeR (~MortimeR@62-36-136-200.dialup.uni2.es) |
| 20:47.35 | stibnite | i don't give it out to people i don't know, unless you mean that it's bad to have it listed in my -srvmsg |
| 20:47.45 | stibnite | ;) |
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| 20:53.46 | snyke | TZPOAH |
| 20:53.50 | snyke | hi calico |
| 20:53.50 | snyke | :) |
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| 21:05.02 | bzgirl | hello jolly |
| 21:05.06 | bzgirl | :) |
| 21:05.08 | jolly | hey ang :) |
| 21:07.03 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 21:19.50 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 21:20.41 | Chestal | we should fix CVS |
| 21:27.58 | Jormungandr | yay! new hip top device. |
| 21:31.21 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 21:42.34 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-64-172-197-242.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
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| 21:55.03 | stibnite | anybody know how i can change the text that reads (UNKNOWN) in my server messages? |
| 21:55.30 | Patlabor221 | are you an observer? |
| 22:05.54 | *** join/#bzflag MortimeR (~MortimeR@62-36-142-251.dialup.uni2.es) |
| 22:07.17 | Patlabor221 | dang gas company I didn't get to ask Tim all the things I wanted to ask |
| 22:11.29 | TimRiker | http://bzflag.org/wiki/NoServersFound |
| 22:13.32 | Patlabor221 | so If I just change the major version then I can use the current master list serv and they won't see or be able to connect to normal games? |
| 22:13.42 | TimRiker | yes |
| 22:13.55 | Patlabor221 | that's rather nice |
| 22:14.01 | TimRiker | call it 1.9 if you like. |
| 22:14.02 | Patlabor221 | I'll change back to the normal server |
| 22:14.07 | Patlabor221 | I called it 0.1 :) |
| 22:14.14 | TimRiker | even better. ;-) |
| 22:14.14 | Patlabor221 | that way I can never step on your versions |
| 22:14.22 | Patlabor221 | 0.1x1 |
| 22:14.30 | TimRiker | cool. I like that. |
| 22:14.34 | *** join/#bzflag jneves (~Really@213.22.171.63) |
| 22:14.48 | Patlabor221 | and I'll just inc to 0.2.whatever ect... |
| 22:15.17 | *** part/#bzflag jneves (~Really@213.22.171.63) |
| 22:15.30 | Patlabor221 | do you mind if I change all the instances of "BZFLAG" to "BZFLAG-X" and change the URLS to get new versions? |
| 22:15.56 | Patlabor221 | I would not want people geting confused |
| 22:16.42 | Patlabor221 | oh and I may have some patches from it to submit for BZProper, reading in the tank from a file, ect... |
| 22:16.48 | TimRiker | Hopfully that's BZFlag |
| 22:17.36 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 22:17.44 | TimRiker | I'd prefer that the urls to bzflag.org stay, and new ones get added with a large comment about this being a hacked client/server. |
| 22:17.50 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 22:17.57 | Patlabor221 | thy will shall be done |
| 22:18.16 | TimRiker | I'm actually happy to get the sources merged with an ifdef VERSIONX or something. |
| 22:18.39 | Patlabor221 | well I'm gonna posibly change quite a bit, that may not go with just a #def |
| 22:19.03 | Patlabor221 | but I can try to keep it close so that may be posible |
| 22:19.42 | Patlabor221 | I'm allready changing some stuff in the data dir, perhaps I should make it read from an xData or something |
| 22:19.58 | Patlabor221 | MAC got me the perfect "phooont" sound for when you fire a rear shot. |
| 22:21.36 | Proton_Man | eek |
| 22:21.58 | Patlabor221 | eek? |
| 22:22.23 | Proton_Man | EXTREEEEEEEM |
| 22:22.35 | trepan | might miscount the number of E's... |
| 22:23.03 | hardwire | do wah ditty ditty dum ditty do |
| 22:23.07 | TimRiker | heh |
| 22:23.11 | trepan | (i assume that was your complaint Proton ;o) |
| 22:23.32 | Patlabor221 | what is the proper spelling |
| 22:23.46 | Patlabor221 | I've allways heard it shouted |
| 22:23.47 | hardwire | extream |
| 22:23.52 | Patlabor221 | while people are jumping off stuff |
| 22:23.53 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: it's up to you, I just figure that as BZFlag progresses you will want to follow the new versions at some point. |
| 22:23.53 | trepan | EXTR(E^7)M |
| 22:23.57 | Patlabor221 | and breaking bonees |
| 22:24.28 | Patlabor221 | yes I will, that's why I'm pondering how to do it now, to make sure I don't bite my selff in the ass :) |
| 22:24.38 | trepan | are yall going with the 1.8 code in CVS, or working from 1.7g1? |
| 22:24.48 | Patlabor221 | 1.7 |
| 22:25.58 | trepan | thx, just wondering what to use if i wanted to make patches |
| 22:26.21 | Patlabor221 | each patch should say what it's a dif against |
| 22:26.33 | Chestal | Pat: keep in my that g1 currently is slightly broken |
| 22:26.34 | Patlabor221 | but 1.8 is not active |
| 22:26.44 | Patlabor221 | so is mine :) |
| 22:26.46 | trepan | yup, just don't want to work on a version that's gonna die |
| 22:27.28 | Patlabor221 | what is the big thing that is busted? |
| 22:27.36 | Patlabor221 | the exploits? |
| 22:28.08 | Chestal | no, shots are messed up a little when you have a flag liek rapid fire or mg |
| 22:28.14 | Chestal | wrong lifetime and speed |
| 22:28.24 | Patlabor221 | yeah I noticed that |
| 22:28.29 | Patlabor221 | but that's one thing I'm changing now |
| 22:28.48 | Patlabor221 | shot lifetime/reload time/ num shots |
| 22:29.07 | Patlabor221 | I want my mines to have a longer life then normal shots |
| 22:30.31 | [TeA|TrEE] | Chestal? |
| 22:30.34 | Patlabor221 | seems that there is some relation to the size of the shot buffer, the reload time, and the server max shots |
| 22:31.10 | [TeA|TrEE] | ich habe on 59999 offical match BZW vs HoW gestartetr |
| 22:31.20 | [TeA|TrEE] | sie koennen es hoffentlich alleine spielen |
| 22:31.21 | [TeA|TrEE] | ... |
| 22:31.29 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatict |
| 22:31.34 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 22:32.40 | Chestal | bzw? |
| 22:33.14 | Chestal | ah, BZ:E |
| 22:36.25 | [TeA|TrEE] | BZE sry |
| 22:36.39 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:59999 |
| 22:37.15 | [TeA|TrEE] | night all |
| 22:37.17 | *** part/#bzflag [TeA|TrEE] (~Nicholas@pD9E94C0F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:42.04 | TimRiker | should re revert the shot tests and put out a g2 before breaking the network? |
| 22:42.27 | TimRiker | we could have the server in g2 check for normal shot speeds only and then the client would modify it anyway. |
| 22:46.12 | Chestal | I'd say release a compatible g2 |
| 22:46.17 | Chestal | then go for 1.8 or whatever |
| 22:46.32 | Chestal | but some small things should go into g2 before we release |
| 22:46.53 | Chestal | we could do full-fledged shot tests in sevrer in g2, too |
| 22:47.10 | Chestal | actually, when we just ignore the flags, it should be ok |
| 22:47.33 | Patlabor221 | and the jump tests that mac has |
| 22:47.39 | Chestal | just compare recvd shot speed with ShotSPeed+Tankspeed |
| 22:47.51 | Chestal | jump test should be fine, I didn't test it, though |
| 22:48.03 | Patlabor221 | I helped MAC test it, and it worked fine |
| 22:48.08 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@209.195.250.193) |
| 22:48.12 | Chestal | there are some UI glitches that shoudl be resolved |
| 22:48.20 | Chestal | and I need a good idea what to do about /countdown |
| 22:48.23 | Chestal | hi MAC |
| 22:48.29 | MrApathyCream | howdy |
| 22:48.55 | Patlabor221 | it would cause the people with the jump bug to be booted too |
| 22:49.07 | Chestal | yes, e6+low framerate |
| 22:49.21 | MrApathyCream | yes thats what we want |
| 22:49.24 | Patlabor221 | but it could be set to give a nice message |
| 22:49.29 | Patlabor221 | to tell them to update |
| 22:49.38 | MrApathyCream | it does |
| 22:49.40 | Chestal | so, I'd say revert clien tback to transmit unmodified fireinfo |
| 22:49.45 | Chestal | change server checks accordingly |
| 22:49.52 | Chestal | then I can test new server on ducati |
| 22:49.57 | Chestal | no flags there of course |
| 22:50.08 | Chestal | so it would be nice if some other well-frequented server would use this version |
| 22:50.40 | Chestal | about /countdown: I wan tit to work withotu admin privileges, any objections? |
| 22:50.56 | Chestal | and I need a bzfs option so that timed games do not start automatically |
| 22:52.39 | TimRiker | I don't think /countdown should work without admin by default. |
| 22:52.49 | Chestal | ah, forget about that server :-) |
| 22:52.56 | Chestal | don't know how many peopel lay there |
| 22:53.08 | Chestal | Tim: well, it's currently only used for league matches AFAIK |
| 22:53.20 | TimRiker | sometimes its near the top, but most times it's empty. |
| 22:53.34 | Jormungandr | now I need to write an app that allows me to check server stats via my sidekick |
| 22:53.39 | Chestal | Tim: someone must start the countdown manuylly, and I don't want everybody to be admin on that server |
| 22:53.55 | Patlabor221 | can't the sidekick run pearl? |
| 22:54.01 | TimRiker | what happens on a non-countdown server then? would anyone be able to start a countdown and end the game? that would be a Bad Thing. |
| 22:54.05 | Chestal | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.19 | Chestal | not sure what hapens, when -time was not specified |
| 22:54.28 | Chestal | should be a no-op then? |
| 22:55.01 | Patlabor221 | that's one of the things I wanted to look into, a second user level on servers for refs |
| 22:55.10 | TimRiker | it would be nice as admin to be able to do /countdown 0:10 for 10 minutes or similar. |
| 22:55.11 | Patlabor221 | to do things like start/stop games ect.. |
| 22:55.31 | TimRiker | or perhaps 0:10:00 for 10 minutes? hmm. |
| 22:55.50 | Jormungandr | it's not often you'd want to include seconds |
| 22:55.54 | Jormungandr | if ever |
| 22:56.05 | Chestal | Tim: migh tbe useful, but for league game sto be practical, I need a server setup where I can start a timed game automatically withotu admin privileges |
| 22:56.20 | Chestal | can be a server option, not sure |
| 22:57.01 | Jormungandr | wow.. I can go straight to stats.bzflag.org and get stats via the sidekick with no problem. |
| 22:58.04 | Chestal | Tim: I'm reworkign the shot tests, ok? |
| 22:58.22 | TimRiker | ok. |
| 22:59.22 | Chestal | uh, g++ now defaults to g++ 3.2.2 on my debian system |
| 22:59.36 | Chestal | so I get lots of deprecated header files warnings |
| 22:59.58 | TimRiker | recent change, yes. testing (ie: sarge) is moving to c102 for everything except qt2 |
| 23:00.11 | Chestal | and deprecated options warnings |
| 23:00.29 | Chestal | running unstable here |
| 23:00.34 | TimRiker | they _should_ all be warning though, and compiles should still work. |
| 23:00.46 | Chestal | nonnull-objects is no more |
| 23:01.02 | MrApathyCream | i think i got the client right re: shotspeed |
| 23:01.06 | Chestal | -m486 should be -mcpu=i486 now |
| 23:01.15 | Chestal | MAC: ehm? |
| 23:01.40 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: client now (cvs) sends faster shots. |
| 23:01.46 | MrApathyCream | don't add tankvel in FiringInfo ctor, |
| 23:01.52 | MrApathyCream | add them after shot strategy is done |
| 23:01.56 | TimRiker | reciever also adds the shot modifiers. ugh. |
| 23:02.12 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@24.156.129.90) |
| 23:02.21 | MrApathyCream | MG works now |
| 23:02.34 | Chestal | MAC: yes, but that breaks compatibility |
| 23:02.59 | Chestal | I think we shouldn't change this now, aim at a g2 release and that break comp. |
| 23:03.01 | MrApathyCream | well, it is the right math |
| 23:03.10 | MrApathyCream | tank Vel shouldn't be modified |
| 23:03.26 | Chestal | bu tis has always been this way |
| 23:03.27 | MrApathyCream | and besides it will get people to upgrade |
| 23:03.35 | Chestal | not really |
| 23:03.42 | Chestal | this woudl casue a mess |
| 23:04.05 | TimRiker | MG now causes quad speed shots on cvs, no? |
| 23:04.28 | TimRiker | with new server and old clients? |
| 23:04.40 | Chestal | yes, g1 shots will look quad speed for ther clients |
| 23:04.46 | Chestal | but will look dobuel speed for shooter |
| 23:05.42 | Chestal | I'm all for not changing the shot speed calculations now |
| 23:05.56 | Chestal | the wy it is done now, is strange, but we can still do the server-side check |
| 23:05.59 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: I think we should revert that then, get a release out, then break the netcode compatibility and do the real fix again. |
| 23:06.07 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 23:06.24 | MrApathyCream | g2 release soon then? |
| 23:06.36 | Chestal | so, in LocalPlayer: ServerLink::getServer()->sendBeginShot(firingInfo); ? |
| 23:06.46 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 23:06.49 | Chestal | and remove ShotSpeed and LifeTime mods in bzfs |
| 23:06.55 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 23:07.09 | MrApathyCream | high jump limits ok to keep tho, no? |
| 23:07.28 | TimRiker | yes, any checks that don't break compat should stay. |
| 23:07.29 | Chestal | I guess that should be ok |
| 23:07.45 | Chestal | hmm, hwo about sw, where does it say speed=0 in client? |
| 23:08.11 | TimRiker | if that's what non-hack clients send, that that's what we should check for. |
| 23:09.12 | Chestal | ah, it's done in LocalPlayer, so shoudl send vel=0 |
| 23:09.44 | TimRiker | shot speed was affected by tankspeed, no? |
| 23:09.56 | Chestal | so, any ideas how to handle the contdown issue? |
| 23:10.02 | TimRiker | or perhaps it thought it was, but the code was buggy? |
| 23:10.04 | Chestal | yes |
| 23:10.26 | Chestal | sentshotspeed=ShotSpeed+TankSpeed |
| 23:10.38 | Chestal | realshotspeed=sentshotsped*flagmodifier |
| 23:10.58 | TimRiker | ok, let's go back to that broken mess. ;-) |
| 23:11.20 | TimRiker | well, the modifier portion is a mess, the +tankspeed I think should be there. |
| 23:11.48 | Chestal | yes, shotspeed*mod+tankspeed woul be more logical |
| 23:12.37 | Chestal | hmm, my network is real slow now |
| 23:13.01 | Chestal | might be time to check that traffic shaping I have been cofiguring this morning |
| 23:16.50 | MrApathyCream | in the future, really we should only send tankspeed over the wire on shot fired |
| 23:20.20 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: huh? |
| 23:20.49 | TimRiker | dead reconing only works if the client has tank speed and accel info to predict the other tank's path. |
| 23:21.07 | MrApathyCream | mmm, k, never mind |
| 23:21.44 | MrApathyCream | someone put it all back to working state? |
| 23:21.56 | Chestal | not yet |
| 23:22.01 | Chestal | my network is messed up |
| 23:24.18 | TimRiker | is anyone doing it now? else I guess I'll do it. |
| 23:24.50 | Chestal | what is the syntax for multiple flags? |
| 23:24.54 | MrApathyCream | go ahead (patches welcome) |
| 23:24.57 | Chestal | I have done it, just about to test |
| 23:24.59 | MrApathyCream | +f L{5} |
| 23:25.13 | Chestal | ah, was using wrong bzfs version |
| 23:25.46 | Chestal | grmpf |
| 23:26.27 | Chestal | network too slow error |
| 23:26.34 | MrApathyCream | are we rolling out LocalPlayerShotPath, or was that there all along |
| 23:27.17 | TimRiker | don't recall exactly... looking into it now... |
| 23:27.23 | Chestal | hmm? |
| 23:27.57 | Chestal | grmpf, my traffic shaping shows no effect and network still slow |
| 23:28.10 | Chestal | very hard to work in extremely lagged shells |
| 23:28.23 | MrApathyCream | < 56K? ;) |
| 23:28.50 | Chestal | nom, DSL, but my upstream is stil saturated |
| 23:29.01 | Chestal | should get better any minute now |
| 23:30.04 | Chestal | ah, well I'll just commit, easier to test for me then ;-) |
| 23:32.41 | *** join/#bzflag jolly (~bzjolly81@jvnineteen.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 23:32.44 | TimRiker | what are you committing? |
| 23:32.56 | hardwire | Patlabor221 |
| 23:33.03 | hardwire | the man needs to be put in a padded room |
| 23:33.43 | TimRiker | heh |
| 23:35.17 | MrApathyCream | he |
| 23:35.50 | Chestal | compiling new server.... |
| 23:36.50 | calico | bye all |
| 23:37.04 | *** part/#bzflag calico (calico@bgm-66-67-1-87.stny.rr.com) |
| 23:37.07 | Chestal | bye calico |
| 23:37.14 | TimRiker | Chestal: what are you committing? |
| 23:37.28 | Chestal | already committed |
| 23:37.30 | Chestal | the fix |
| 23:37.31 | hardwire | haha |
| 23:37.33 | hardwire | just answer the man! |
| 23:37.35 | Chestal | ducati 59500 runing new code |
| 23:37.46 | Chestal | hmm, not yet actually |
| 23:38.11 | Chestal | waah, cannot find shred library, strnge |
| 23:38.36 | TimRiker | "the fix" ? |
| 23:39.36 | Chestal | what we were talking about this hour |
| 23:39.54 | Chestal | this network slowness drives me crazy |
| 23:40.06 | Chestal | the {} syntax is probably not the berst choice, I have to escape it |
| 23:41.04 | Chestal | ok, ducati 59500 up now |
| 23:44.19 | Chestal | please join to test |
| 23:45.49 | MrApathyCream | hmmm with what client version? |
| 23:45.49 | MrApathyCream | ah, cvs. holdon |
| 23:46.28 | Chestal | might also be interestign with previous CVS version |
| 23:46.33 | Chestal | server should complain about shots |
| 23:47.39 | MrApathyCream | heh, now running in spanish |
| 23:48.12 | Chestal | MAC: can you join with bogus client? |
| 23:48.24 | MrApathyCream | mmm, don' tknow if i have it anymore |
| 23:49.42 | Chestal | hmm, ok, then join with any lient |
| 23:55.09 | Chestal | ok, t removed my cheating moving sw |
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