| 00:01.53 | cell | also i was thinging if a game programmer needs delete and new, and i thing you dont need that really |
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| 00:03.33 | halo662 | lo all |
| 00:03.35 | cell | the same applies for virtual functions, and inheritance, all you really need is plain C |
| 00:04.12 | cell | all the other stuff just makes things more complicated for me |
| 00:06.47 | halo662 | great |
| 00:07.35 | cell | so i will make all my arrays fixed size |
| 00:07.50 | cell | that should also speed things up |
| 00:09.15 | cell | oh, damn late, should have been to bed 3 hours ago... |
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| 00:39.04 | Chestal | hi bh |
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| 00:42.32 | remco | Hi all |
| 00:42.56 | sussudio | lo. |
| 00:43.02 | remco | I just played at ducati, some cheater spoiled it. Any ideas how to counter that? |
| 00:43.28 | blackhound | hi Chestal |
| 00:43.42 | blackhound | hi bzgirl |
| 00:44.29 | remco | Who is the developer of bzflag by the way? |
| 00:44.37 | remco | Is he in here? |
| 00:44.57 | sussudio | ~seen bzflag |
| 00:45.08 | | bzflag <timr@rikers.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3h 6m 1s ago, saying: 'heh'. |
| 00:45.18 | remco | huh? ~seen |
| 00:45.32 | remco | ah |
| 00:53.26 | Chestal | remco: thre is no single developer. Chris Schoenmann is the guy who started it, a lot of people helped to enhance it later |
| 00:53.39 | Chestal | bzflag has been the maintainer of the project for some years now |
| 00:56.46 | remco | Ah |
| 00:57.53 | remco | I have some nasty bug, but I can't find any way to make it reproducable |
| 00:58.10 | remco | bzflag -echo did notgive anything usefull |
| 00:58.55 | remco | strace bzflag 2> file |
| 00:59.48 | Chestal | what is this bug? |
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| 01:00.50 | remco | The screen freezes. Everything freezes |
| 01:00.57 | remco | only ssh login |
| 01:01.44 | remco | I haveto reboot |
| 01:01.51 | remco | on linux, debian testing |
| 01:02.11 | Chestal | never experienced it, so I would _guess_ it's related to your video driver. I am using software renderning |
| 01:02.31 | fiberchunks | remco: you talking about the client hard-locking your computer? |
| 01:02.48 | remco | yes |
| 01:03.04 | fiberchunks | what vid card, and what processor? |
| 01:03.13 | remco | Well, maybe X maybe bzflag, maybe mesa |
| 01:03.23 | remco | I have a monster fusion |
| 01:03.29 | remco | 233 PII |
| 01:03.40 | remco | diamond monster fusion |
| 01:04.00 | fiberchunks | hrm -- I had the same issue with bz, until I added the mem=nopentium line to my lilo (but I run an AMD proc)... |
| 01:04.26 | remco | Ok, ill try that. Butwhat does it do? |
| 01:05.08 | fiberchunks | no, don't try that - you don't need it -- it's for an amd bug, apparently -- something about overwriting the AGP addresses or some such thing (not sure myself)...some wizard informed me of it |
| 01:05.29 | remco | I have a pci video card |
| 01:05.29 | fiberchunks | er, I don't think you need it anyway |
| 01:06.08 | fiberchunks | sorry -- I'm out of my league - thought you might have the same problem i did -- does it happen with other 3d games? tuxracer, chromium, etc? |
| 01:06.42 | remco | Well, itonly happens every 30 minutes or so. no longer |
| 01:06.53 | remco | I only experienced it with bzflag |
| 01:07.07 | remco | But I don't play other 3d games |
| 01:07.16 | remco | Maybe I should try |
| 01:07.27 | Chestal | remco: have you checked, if the two bzflag threads are still there? |
| 01:07.27 | fiberchunks | that's odd -- sorry I can't be of more assistance -- maybe you should try out one of the others, and see if it isn't your hw |
| 01:07.35 | remco | They are running |
| 01:07.51 | remco | yes they are. 100% processor power consuming |
| 01:08.03 | Chestal | so, this is HW accelerated gl? |
| 01:08.11 | remco | Uhm. I am not sure if there were two |
| 01:08.22 | remco | Yes hardware accelerated |
| 01:08.25 | Chestal | there should be a main thread and an audio thread |
| 01:08.33 | Chestal | if thre is only one, then the frst has crashed |
| 01:08.47 | remco | I can check with ps xaf? |
| 01:08.51 | Chestal | this is normal XFree drivers? |
| 01:08.56 | Chestal | yes |
| 01:09.11 | remco | Yes, Xfree 4.2 the tdfx driver |
| 01:09.35 | Chestal | how long usually before it happens? |
| 01:09.50 | remco | I know at least one thread is running at 100% while it normally runs at a little bit less |
| 01:10.04 | remco | Not once today, but could be an hour |
| 01:10.08 | remco | or 5 minutes |
| 01:10.13 | remco | or 4 hours |
| 01:10.20 | remco | or not at all |
| 01:10.28 | Chestal | hmm, difficult to test then. YOu coudl try and switch to software rendering for a test, don't now whether that is feasible |
| 01:10.33 | remco | I do getsome EAGAIN errors from strace |
| 01:10.36 | Chestal | setenv LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT 1 should do the trick |
| 01:11.13 | remco | that's without hardware acc? |
| 01:11.17 | Chestal | EAGAIN is not really an error |
| 01:11.25 | remco | My pc is not fast enbough |
| 01:11.32 | Chestal | yes, should force glx to use software rendering |
| 01:11.47 | Chestal | hmm, that's probably true, my P-III 500 can hardly do it |
| 01:12.01 | Chestal | so yours is probably too slow even when you turn everything off |
| 01:12.18 | remco | I have a log here of strace |
| 01:12.32 | Chestal | if there is really only one thread showing in ps, then at least you know that it crashed |
| 01:12.38 | remco | Uh..I shouldn't copy paste it right? |
| 01:12.45 | Chestal | no :-) |
| 01:12.54 | remco | Ok, i'll try to check that next time |
| 01:13.10 | Chestal | you shuld be able to see that in your strace log, though |
| 01:13.25 | remco | If it crashed? |
| 01:13.37 | Chestal | yes |
| 01:13.40 | remco | What does it look like |
| 01:13.54 | Chestal | did you use strace -f? |
| 01:14.06 | remco | no |
| 01:14.24 | Chestal | I am not sure how it behaves for threads, but I would assume that it will only trace the main thread then |
| 01:14.44 | Chestal | so if that exited for soem reason, you shoudl see it in the last line |
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| 01:15.01 | remco | it can get quite big 150 MB once |
| 01:15.09 | remco | no. nothinglike that |
| 01:15.21 | remco | Some stuff seems to repeat |
| 01:16.01 | remco | I'll compare it to the "good" trace |
| 01:17.05 | Chestal | good luck, I must realy be off to bed now, cu |
| 01:17.11 | remco | ok cu |
| 01:17.17 | remco | thx |
| 01:17.30 | MrApathyCream | naght |
| 01:17.35 | MrApathyCream | er, nacht |
| 01:17.45 | remco | dutch? |
| 01:18.10 | fiberchunks | remco: you could also post in the forum if you'd like in the 'setup / performance issues' section -- someone else may be able to lend a hand |
| 01:18.34 | fiberchunks | bzbb.homelinux.org (shameless plug -- ) |
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| 04:54.51 | MrApathyCream | Haiku moment: |
| 04:54.53 | MrApathyCream | Twelve days of BZ |
| 04:54.53 | MrApathyCream | Not a creature was stirring |
| 04:54.53 | MrApathyCream | Not even proton |
| 04:54.55 | MrApathyCream | ------------- |
| 05:14.11 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: you're so cute |
| 05:15.52 | lurgyman | He gives us haiku |
| 05:15.57 | lurgyman | MrApathyCream |
| 05:16.13 | lurgyman | But not a sausage |
| 05:18.49 | lurgyman | They are microsoft |
| 05:19.24 | lurgyman | Not a bug goes attended |
| 05:20.12 | lurgyman | Serene stays old Bill |
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| 05:46.40 | MrApathyCream | um.... mrapathycream is only 6 |
| 05:48.46 | lurgyman | shh |
| 05:48.53 | lurgyman | you'll spoil the moment |
| 05:51.01 | MrApathyCream | Lurgyman tries hard |
| 05:51.01 | MrApathyCream | It's just that he can not rhyme |
| 05:51.01 | MrApathyCream | Poor, poor lurgyman |
| 05:54.09 | lurgyman | i just had the emphaasis on the wrong syllaable |
| 05:58.31 | MrApathyCream | cre-am? |
| 05:59.10 | lurgyman | eggzactly |
| 05:59.52 | MrApathyCream | it's *sniff* lovely, then |
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| 06:05.41 | MrApathyCream | netuser is gone |
| 06:05.41 | MrApathyCream | how short of a stay was he |
| 06:05.41 | MrApathyCream | too short to care for. |
| 06:06.02 | Patlabor221 | still on the hiaku binge? |
| 06:06.54 | scanline | all these haikus |
| 06:06.57 | scanline | scanline tries one too |
| 06:06.59 | scanline | doesn't work |
| 06:07.21 | captain_proton | scanline: ooh, you ought to see this |
| 06:07.29 | scanline | uh oh |
| 06:07.39 | MrApathyCream | haha |
| 06:07.57 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: nothing else is going on in here |
| 06:08.15 | Patlabor221 | I see |
| 06:08.32 | scanline | mm, now there's a quality data type... |
| 06:08.36 | scanline | std::multimap<SurfaceEdge,std::pair<SurfaceQuadtreeNode*,SurfaceQuadtreeNode*> >::iterator |
| 06:08.49 | Patlabor221 | proalby for the best that I spent all day breaking the texutre and sound manager |
| 06:09.08 | captain_proton | scanline: let me rephrase. you -need- to see this |
| 06:09.39 | scanline | be right there then |
| 06:10.14 | MrApathyCream | ---- |
| 06:10.14 | MrApathyCream | New Haiku, I spew |
| 06:10.14 | MrApathyCream | Yes, indeed that's what i'll do |
| 06:10.14 | MrApathyCream | Till some work that's new |
| 06:10.14 | MrApathyCream | ---- |
| 06:13.04 | Patlabor221 | cap did you get that song? |
| 06:14.38 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: yeah |
| 06:14.41 | captain_proton | didn't like it too much :P |
| 06:14.44 | captain_proton | but oh well |
| 06:15.00 | Patlabor221 | was it the right one? |
| 06:15.06 | lurgyman | ---- |
| 06:15.11 | lurgyman | dump all the Remans |
| 06:15.16 | lurgyman | into a hole on Remus |
| 06:15.18 | captain_proton | i was really just searching for anything by that group because they were recommended |
| 06:15.20 | lurgyman | to get Reman sums |
| 06:15.23 | lurgyman | ---- |
| 06:15.28 | scanline | icosahedron subdivision makes everything moire better |
| 06:16.08 | scanline | captain_proton: you should try OctSphere too, it will give you different moire patterns |
| 06:17.40 | scanline | hmm |
| 06:18.30 | scanline | cool |
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| 06:23.36 | MrApathyCream | join #bzflag |
| 06:23.40 | MrApathyCream | ug, dargn |
| 06:23.42 | MrApathyCream | darn |
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| 07:17.15 | MrApathyCream | while (i < 1) |
| 07:17.15 | MrApathyCream | Is really the beginning |
| 07:17.15 | MrApathyCream | Of BZFlag dev |
| 07:17.15 | MrApathyCream | Is anyone there |
| 07:17.15 | MrApathyCream | Who knows the rest of the code |
| 07:17.15 | MrApathyCream | Please, check something in |
| 07:17.17 | MrApathyCream | Oh boy, no changes |
| 07:17.19 | MrApathyCream | Christmas doesn't allow coding |
| 07:17.22 | MrApathyCream | To much eggnog, spose. |
| 07:21.21 | captain_proton | a bit bored MrApathyCream? |
| 07:23.32 | MrApathyCream | bored, yes, that i am |
| 07:23.32 | MrApathyCream | no code makes dave a dull boy |
| 07:23.32 | MrApathyCream | can you help me, please? |
| 07:27.39 | MrApathyCream | --> http://www.spamhaiku.com/ |
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| 07:40.24 | ilan | hey, do i need to open any ports to get bzflag working? i can connect to the server and people see me but my shots do nothing and i can drive through them |
| 07:44.54 | ilan | nm found an answer on the list |
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| 07:53.37 | MrApathyCream | ilan: most likely that some router is blocking udp traffic |
| 08:02.18 | MrApathyCream | sheesh, i thought dervish was 'leaving the bzflag community" |
| 08:03.13 | fiberchunks | why? |
| 08:05.37 | captain_proton | (no such luck) |
| 08:05.56 | fiberchunks | heya capt, how goes it? |
| 08:07.26 | captain_proton | decent, i may have gotten destroyed by my uni though |
| 08:07.43 | fiberchunks | uni? processor? |
| 08:07.50 | captain_proton | university |
| 08:07.57 | fiberchunks | ah..why's that? |
| 08:08.16 | captain_proton | a few months ago i put the finals schedule into my calendar - since then, they fixed an error |
| 08:08.34 | fiberchunks | oh no...missed a final or two |
| 08:08.39 | captain_proton | at 7pm this evening i discovered that the final exam i *thought* was at 7:30 was actually earlier this afternoon |
| 08:08.53 | fiberchunks | what class |
| 08:09.05 | captain_proton | 'history and philosophy of physics' |
| 08:09.28 | captain_proton | easy class, but i still can't afford to miss the final exam |
| 08:09.39 | fiberchunks | sure nuff - you talk to the prof already |
| 08:10.04 | captain_proton | i left him a phone message |
| 08:10.14 | captain_proton | doubt he'll get it until monday =P |
| 08:10.37 | fiberchunks | well, they tend to be understanding -- I missed a couple in college (not due to errors, but drinking -- heavily) ;) |
| 08:10.44 | fiberchunks | and they let me retake em |
| 08:12.01 | fiberchunks | what year -- wait uni, universitat -- equivalent to amer. high school? |
| 08:12.04 | fiberchunks | or college? |
| 08:12.15 | captain_proton | college |
| 08:12.20 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 08:12.34 | fiberchunks | what year are you |
| 08:12.53 | captain_proton | pseudo-junior sophomore kinda |
| 08:13.06 | fiberchunks | lol -- I was once one of those |
| 08:13.32 | fiberchunks | too many credits in this, not enough in that -- that sort of thing |
| 08:13.47 | ilan | MrApathyCream: maybe... but i dont think that was it.. using -ttl 0 fixed it |
| 08:14.00 | captain_proton | ilan: what version are you running? |
| 08:15.19 | ilan | 1.7e6 for windows |
| 08:15.38 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 08:15.45 | captain_proton | in any case, you ought to upgrade to g0 |
| 08:15.57 | ilan | ya i just noticed there was a never version than what i grabbed |
| 08:31.14 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: oof. up until i was in my early 50s, i had night mares about that kind of thing |
| 08:32.01 | MrApathyCream | another one was: i didn't realize i had a class on my roster until after the drop date |
| 08:32.02 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i'm almost positive that i'll have a nightmare about it tonight |
| 08:32.14 | captain_proton | i have that feeling ALL the time |
| 08:32.15 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 08:32.29 | captain_proton | i'll suddenly get the idea that i have a class that i haven't been attending |
| 08:32.35 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 08:32.46 | MrApathyCream | that one doesn't go away for a long, long, time |
| 08:32.51 | MrApathyCream | <at least for me> |
| 08:33.07 | captain_proton | stupid stress puppies |
| 08:33.29 | MrApathyCream | luckily, the alzheimers is easing that somewhat for me |
| 08:34.47 | scanline | captain_proton: I checked over my schedule a few times from fear that I'd forgotten about a class :) |
| 08:35.28 | captain_proton | scanline: scary thing is i checked over my finals schedule a few times =( |
| 08:36.11 | scanline | well.. shit happens.. that's why inflatable furniture is so popular |
| 08:36.39 | scanline | captain_proton: I don't know if you've met my friend Kris, but he has an inflatable couch in his dorm :) |
| 08:37.16 | scanline | hmm.. I haven't seen Kris much this semester |
| 08:37.29 | MrApathyCream | 'would you like fries with that' |
| 08:37.34 | scanline | saw him at the lan party over thanksgiving though |
| 08:38.12 | captain_proton | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 08:38.22 | captain_proton | my hardware hookup guy is dealing with 1700 of these: http://www.cheshirecatconsulting.com/pics/general/lightwave2.jpg |
| 08:38.44 | scanline | gigabit fiber? |
| 08:39.12 | captain_proton | 2Gb/s |
| 08:39.19 | scanline | neat |
| 08:39.36 | scanline | 64-bit.. spiffy |
| 08:39.41 | captain_proton | i doubt he can score them for me tho |
| 08:39.42 | scanline | think you could get a couple and some fiber? :) |
| 08:39.46 | scanline | drat |
| 08:46.34 | captain_proton | haha, this guy wants to set me up with one of his acquaintences |
| 08:50.34 | captain_proton | hehehehehe |
| 08:51.55 | scanline | THE TROLLENBERG TERROR! |
| 08:53.41 | scanline | damnit Jim, I'm a doctor not a theoretical quantum archeologist! |
| 08:55.04 | scanline | the audio unsynchronification just makes it more fun.. I can pretend it was dubbed from the original latin |
| 08:55.27 | captain_proton | haha |
| 08:55.39 | captain_proton | you could watch the vobs, they're sitting on navi |
| 08:55.47 | scanline | oh, I could |
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| 12:51.46 | [TeA|TrEE] | moin |
| 12:52.11 | ak|ra | moin |
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| 13:14.10 | calico | good morning all |
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| 13:22.00 | ak|ra | moin calico |
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| 13:26.13 | ak|ra | moin strayer |
| 13:29.24 | strayer | hi all....hallo ak|ra |
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| 13:43.22 | strayer | hi bzgirl :) |
| 13:45.34 | bzgirl | hey strayer |
| 13:45.42 | ak|ra | hi girl |
| 13:45.56 | bzgirl | moin ak|ra ;-) |
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| 15:51.31 | Big_Barrel | will someone join on ducati plz? everyone left |
| 15:52.01 | sussudio | maybe you should shower :-P |
| 15:52.07 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 15:52.09 | Big_Barrel | me? |
| 15:52.16 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 15:52.18 | sussudio | well, everyone left..... |
| 15:52.29 | Big_Barrel | well i do kinda smell |
| 15:52.32 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 15:52.53 | sussudio | there you go |
| 15:52.56 | sussudio | use the soap, luke. |
| 16:14.24 | bzgirl | Big_Barrel: i am too laggy to play there |
| 16:14.31 | bzgirl | so i left |
| 16:14.40 | bzgirl | and you smell :) |
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| 17:06.06 | cell | hi captain, how's going with jetstream? |
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| 17:46.11 | Noodleman | ~seen bzdoug |
| 17:46.18 | | bzdoug is currently on #bzflag (12h 25m 20s) |
| 17:46.34 | Noodleman | ~seen jzaun |
| 17:46.35 | | jzaun is currently on #bzflag. Has said a total of 7 messages. Is idling for 18h 6m 35s |
| 17:47.48 | sussudio | ~seen satan claus |
| 17:47.49 | | i haven't seen 'satan claus', sussudio |
| 17:48.03 | bzdoug | ooh |
| 17:48.04 | Noodleman | sussudio: weird |
| 17:48.07 | Noodleman | n:-) |
| 17:48.12 | Noodleman | hey doug |
| 17:48.17 | Noodleman | sup? |
| 17:48.28 | bzdoug | nothin much |
| 17:48.36 | Noodleman | i've got an idea |
| 17:48.50 | bzdoug | what? |
| 17:48.54 | sussudio | Noodleman: look, moss. http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/images/021124/img_0028.jpg |
| 17:49.03 | Noodleman | i was thinking of starting a server where cheaters are welcome |
| 17:49.10 | Noodleman | hehe, sussudio |
| 17:49.11 | bzdoug | yea |
| 17:49.16 | bzdoug | I was thinking that too |
| 17:49.28 | bzdoug | like customized game versions |
| 17:49.36 | Noodleman | i would just not allow invincibility cheats |
| 17:49.51 | bzdoug | yea |
| 17:49.59 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:50.03 | bzdoug | that would take some work |
| 17:50.15 | Noodleman | who do i have to comtact to get a subdomain under bzflag.org? |
| 17:50.28 | bzdoug | but maybe just have the password on it so IF someone cheats big time, we can kick |
| 17:50.33 | bzdoug | Noodleman: BZFlagOut |
| 17:50.37 | Noodleman | of course |
| 17:50.43 | bzdoug | Noodleman: hum.... :) |
| 17:51.14 | sussudio | these so called "hardware reviews" look more like doug's school assignment or something...... |
| 17:51.17 | sussudio | "The power supply is packed in bubble wrap and it comes with a power cable to go to the electrical outlet and some screws to mount it to the case." |
| 17:51.18 | bzdoug | captain_proton said lurgyman had a really cool modded client |
| 17:51.36 | bzdoug | the faster you go, the higher you jump |
| 17:51.38 | sussudio | well DUH "extremeoverclocking" |
| 17:51.43 | bzdoug | and it jumps high |
| 17:51.44 | Noodleman | and for the people who don't know how to modify their clients, i'll have one available that only works on my server |
| 17:52.02 | bzdoug | Noodleman: it connects by defualt only to your server? |
| 17:52.05 | bzdoug | :) |
| 17:52.34 | Noodleman | i have one where i can see st on radar, cl out the window, lock on st with gm, and pause and self destruct immediately |
| 17:52.46 | bzdoug | kewl |
| 17:52.57 | Noodleman | i'm thinking of adding other stuff to it |
| 17:53.01 | bzdoug | also add that jumper jumping with a button |
| 17:53.07 | Noodleman | like a sw that covers the whole filed :-) |
| 17:53.08 | bzdoug | super jumping* |
| 17:53.18 | Noodleman | field* |
| 17:53.24 | bzdoug | Noodleman: yes.... but only like 1 every 5 min |
| 17:53.26 | bzdoug | :) |
| 17:53.49 | Noodleman | no, once you use it, you lose it |
| 17:53.55 | bzdoug | ah |
| 17:53.57 | bzdoug | a flag? |
| 17:53.57 | Noodleman | howzay? |
| 17:54.04 | Noodleman | howzat* |
| 17:54.10 | Noodleman | the sw |
| 17:54.11 | sussudio | bah..... laser with machinegun rate is much more fun. |
| 17:54.23 | bzdoug | sussudio: yes it is, with 100 shot |
| 17:54.25 | Noodleman | that would be fun :-) |
| 17:54.26 | bzdoug | :) |
| 17:54.35 | bzdoug | bwuahahhaha |
| 17:54.39 | Noodleman | i got rid of 100 shot |
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| 17:54.47 | Noodleman | takes too much bandwidth |
| 17:54.48 | bzdoug | yea, now its 50 shot? |
| 17:54.52 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 17:54.58 | bzdoug | 'lo Patlabor221 |
| 17:55.05 | Patlabor221 | hey |
| 17:55.12 | sussudio | yeah, 5 more steps to sanity |
| 17:55.24 | bzdoug | hmmm, what else? |
| 17:55.32 | Noodleman | you playing that game in the UF comic today? |
| 17:55.38 | bzdoug | ? |
| 17:56.07 | Noodleman | http://www.userfriendly.org/static/ |
| 17:56.08 | bzdoug | I dont read those comics, too hard to find the webpage and wait for it to load and stuff, I get foxtrot and dilbert in my email... |
| 17:56.37 | Noodleman | i have a cronjob that downloads them for me each morning at 4:00 |
| 17:56.40 | Patlabor221 | and UF hasn't been funny in years |
| 17:56.42 | scanline | too hard to find the webpage? haha |
| 17:56.53 | bzdoug | Noodleman: yea |
| 17:57.07 | bzdoug | so what other cheats would you have? |
| 17:57.22 | Noodleman | it's not the most funny, but once in a while there'll be a gem |
| 17:57.29 | sussudio | oh go on.... http://www.hotendotey.com/current/comic.gif isnt too hard to find. |
| 17:57.48 | bzdoug | lurgymans one is rather cool, so maybe have that as a flag or something |
| 17:57.48 | Noodleman | can shoot while OO'ed |
| 17:57.56 | bzdoug | heh |
| 17:58.05 | bzdoug | but not all of these at the same time |
| 17:58.51 | bzdoug | hmm, is there anyway to edit the server to have bigger maps? |
| 17:59.06 | bzdoug | maybe a 800x800 instead of a 400x400? |
| 17:59.16 | Noodleman | there is code which specifies the size of the field |
| 17:59.17 | bzdoug | just for kicks |
| 17:59.21 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:59.29 | bzdoug | how hard would it be to modify it? |
| 17:59.42 | Noodleman | i don't think i'd be hard |
| 17:59.45 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:59.57 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:59.59 | Noodleman | try it :-) |
| 18:00.02 | bzdoug | let me try that |
| 18:00.23 | Noodleman | if you've done perl or php, you can understand bz's code enough |
| 18:00.42 | bzdoug | yea, I can pick my way through it |
| 18:00.56 | bzdoug | but I dont really know any programming languege |
| 18:01.01 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 18:01.32 | bzdoug | lemme see.... where is this world code... |
| 18:01.34 | Noodleman | if you think you're a geek, you really should understand some programming language :-) |
| 18:01.40 | bzdoug | would I have to edit bzflag AND bzfs? |
| 18:01.46 | bzdoug | :P |
| 18:01.47 | Noodleman | i think so |
| 18:01.51 | bzdoug | oh |
| 18:01.52 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 18:02.06 | bzdoug | we would have to edit it so regular clients cant connect |
| 18:03.01 | bzdoug | cuz I cany |
| 18:03.03 | bzdoug | cant |
| 18:03.14 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 18:03.37 | Noodleman | have you seen the new layout on my site? |
| 18:03.43 | bzdoug | nope |
| 18:03.50 | Noodleman | looks much nicer |
| 18:04.06 | bzdoug | hmm, much |
| 18:04.08 | bzdoug | :) |
| 18:04.09 | Patlabor221 | doug what do you want to do to the poor client and server? |
| 18:04.18 | sussudio | in japan they have mini-pigs as pets now..... |
| 18:04.24 | bzdoug | Patlabor221: Noodleman has the wonderfull idea of making a cheat only server |
| 18:04.29 | sussudio | bitesize? :-P |
| 18:04.38 | bzdoug | sussudio: Mmmmm |
| 18:04.48 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 18:04.51 | bzdoug | mini-pig sushi! |
| 18:04.58 | bzdoug | Patlabor221: for kicks |
| 18:05.01 | bzdoug | I guess |
| 18:05.03 | Noodleman | so the cheaters have a place to feel at home :-) |
| 18:05.20 | Patlabor221 | they will just use your client on real servers |
| 18:05.30 | bzdoug | but we will fix the client |
| 18:05.33 | Noodleman | they would have to modify it |
| 18:05.37 | bzdoug | so it ONLY connects to Noodleman |
| 18:05.45 | bzdoug | hum |
| 18:05.46 | bzdoug | dinner |
| 18:05.48 | bzdoug | er |
| 18:05.49 | bzdoug | lunch |
| 18:05.56 | Patlabor221 | it will be an easy change for them |
| 18:05.59 | Noodleman | i might even ask tim if we can distribute it binary only |
| 18:06.06 | bzdoug | ah |
| 18:06.13 | Patlabor221 | you can't |
| 18:06.15 | Patlabor221 | been tried |
| 18:06.20 | bzdoug | but maybe.... |
| 18:06.24 | Patlabor221 | gnu says you have to have source |
| 18:06.29 | bzdoug | maybe have the binary "leaked" |
| 18:06.29 | Noodleman | i know |
| 18:06.32 | bzdoug | :P |
| 18:06.33 | Patlabor221 | no realy someone wanted to do this like 3 weeks ago |
| 18:06.41 | Noodleman | but if we get a different license ... |
| 18:06.48 | Patlabor221 | you can't |
| 18:06.50 | bzdoug | where is this world code? |
| 18:06.51 | Patlabor221 | bz is gnu |
| 18:06.57 | Patlabor221 | gnu is the "viral" liscense |
| 18:07.03 | Noodleman | i know, but tim owns the rights to it |
| 18:07.06 | Patlabor221 | anything you make with it has to be gnu too |
| 18:07.12 | Noodleman | i know that :-) |
| 18:07.29 | Patlabor221 | and you can't make a linux binary |
| 18:07.39 | bzdoug | then hide the source, like lock it up in CVS under some wierd name |
| 18:07.45 | Noodleman | if he decides to license it to use under a different license, he can do what ever he likes |
| 18:07.45 | bzdoug | :) |
| 18:07.49 | Patlabor221 | the source has to be open |
| 18:07.54 | sussudio | Noodleman: nope |
| 18:07.57 | Patlabor221 | $5 says he won't |
| 18:08.04 | bzdoug | it will, if someone finds out the name |
| 18:08.27 | Patlabor221 | branch, change the net code so it won't work with old servers, not just not connect to them |
| 18:08.30 | Patlabor221 | then release source |
| 18:08.43 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 18:08.46 | bzdoug | yeess. |
| 18:08.47 | Patlabor221 | change all the net commands |
| 18:08.57 | bzdoug | and uncomment the code |
| 18:08.59 | Noodleman | the issue is that i'm not that proficient with c++ |
| 18:09.04 | bzdoug | grr |
| 18:09.05 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 18:09.11 | Patlabor221 | and give it a new name, like BZFalg:LameAss edition :) |
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| 18:09.16 | ak|ra | re |
| 18:09.19 | Noodleman | hehe |
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| 18:25.01 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 18:25.13 | Noodleman | i was thinking... |
| 18:25.16 | bzdoug | I was thinking more along the likes of that bzflagX version |
| 18:25.31 | bzdoug | it would have its own servers and stuff |
| 18:26.00 | Noodleman | maybe at build time, the build scripts do an md5sum of the build directory |
| 18:26.16 | bzdoug | and it would use the standard list server, or maybe another one, but it would filter out all the real servers |
| 18:26.24 | bzdoug | only cheat servers would show up |
| 18:26.39 | bzdoug | and then regular clients dont see the cheat server |
| 18:26.40 | bzdoug | s |
| 18:26.45 | Noodleman | if the md5sum sotred in the client doesn't match the one stored on the server, then it rejects the connection |
| 18:26.53 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 18:27.09 | bzdoug | yea... |
| 18:27.16 | bzdoug | ah. lunch is ready now |
| 18:27.32 | Noodleman | they should add something like that in the main bzflag source |
| 18:27.57 | Noodleman | that would take care of cheating pretty well |
| 18:28.09 | Noodleman | although some people would figure it out |
| 18:33.08 | Noodleman | brb |
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| 18:38.53 | [n3wbie] | hello |
| 18:38.58 | [n3wbie] | what's new in 1.7? |
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| 18:44.04 | nil|bzflag | Evening... |
| 18:46.38 | nil|bzflag | Look, I have just upgraded to 1.7g0 but am having issues with the radar: Shots approaching me are hardly visible. Is there a way to modify the radar other than installing one of these chesta-akira "patches"? |
| 18:47.25 | [n3wbie] | is it possible to jump and change directions at my choice? |
| 18:47.45 | sussudio | nil|bzflag: make them longer. |
| 18:47.53 | [n3wbie] | it would be a great feature |
| 18:48.10 | sussudio | [n3wbie]: it's called cheating |
| 18:49.30 | nil|bzflag | Thanks for the talk. |
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| 19:01.28 | cell | how do i extract a *.gz archieve? |
| 19:02.11 | ak|ra | gunzip |
| 19:02.19 | ak|ra | win32? |
| 19:02.26 | ak|ra | winzip will do it |
| 19:03.37 | cell | winace doesnt |
| 19:04.29 | ak|ra | winace is crap |
| 19:05.36 | sussudio | haha |
| 19:05.55 | sussudio | you are funny cell... |
| 19:06.50 | lurgyman | cell: it's simple... install linux, then tar -xvzf <file> |
| 19:07.44 | ak|ra | cell: http://www.iceows.com/HomePageDE.html -> nimm den |
| 19:07.50 | ak|ra | mein lieblingspacker |
| 19:07.53 | scanline | lurgyman: I decided I'd experiment a bit with the bzflag source too.. I almost have a client with controls like a flight simulator :) |
| 19:11.05 | Noodleman | ok, i'm back |
| 19:12.37 | lurgyman | scanline: sweet... i'm thinking of changing the direction gravity pulls from |
| 19:12.44 | scanline | =) |
| 19:17.07 | scanline | it's kind of funny looking at everything from high up... the mountains look really bad :) |
| 19:17.56 | lurgyman | yeah |
| 19:18.38 | vogon | hrm. |
| 19:19.04 | vogon | so, I've got to reimplement virtual member functionality in C. |
| 19:20.44 | scanline | nothing hard about that |
| 19:23.33 | vogon | scanline: hah. yeah, but I've never had to do it before. |
| 19:25.56 | cell | i code in C now too |
| 19:27.23 | cell | cause the object oriented style is so time consuming, i am a data structer preferer and function pointers instead of virtaul functions |
| 19:27.50 | scanline | whether you use c++ or C doesn't have anything to do with whether you're using OOP or not |
| 19:28.18 | vogon | C++ just takes out any semblance of wizardry involved. |
| 19:28.29 | vogon | for simple things, anyway. |
| 19:29.23 | cell | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.46 | vogon | new and delete are just malloc and free in fancy wrappers. |
| 19:29.53 | cell | so i make everything fixed size |
| 19:30.38 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 19:31.25 | cell | and for inheritance i use switch( object.type) {} and go |
| 19:32.27 | bzdoug | hmm, I cant find that world stuff in bzflag |
| 19:32.39 | vogon | world stuff? |
| 19:32.45 | bzdoug | yah |
| 19:32.54 | bzdoug | about what size the world is and stuff |
| 19:32.55 | vogon | which bit of world stuff? |
| 19:32.57 | ak|ra | cell: new + delete are more then just malloc stuff |
| 19:33.03 | bzdoug | sussudio: checked that |
| 19:33.38 | vogon | bzdoug: the world size is hard coded to 400 meters. |
| 19:33.49 | bzdoug | yea, and I want to change it |
| 19:34.04 | vogon | bzdoug: a lot of crap assumes that the world size is 400 meters. |
| 19:34.13 | bzdoug | oh |
| 19:34.15 | bzdoug | hum |
| 19:34.28 | vogon | the definition is in include/global.h. |
| 19:34.34 | bzdoug | ah |
| 19:34.48 | vogon | err. |
| 19:34.50 | vogon | 800 meters. |
| 19:34.50 | vogon | yeah. |
| 19:35.11 | bzdoug | ah |
| 19:35.45 | bzdoug | lo |
| 19:35.46 | bzdoug | lol |
| 19:35.53 | bzdoug | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.00 | vogon | heh. |
| 19:36.07 | bzdoug | hmm |
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| 19:57.59 | sussudio | " The von Hippels have also compiled a long list of animals that could benefit should Viagra ever be made available in Africa, including baboons, gorillas, chimpanzees and spotted hyenas." |
| 19:58.10 | sussudio | and ofcourse, bunnies. |
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| 19:59.56 | caligula | anybody here run the moongroup server? |
| 20:00.05 | sussudio | no. |
| 20:00.06 | caligula | or know who does? |
| 20:00.18 | sussudio | kernel panic. |
| 20:00.21 | caligula | I keep getting banned for no reason |
| 20:02.57 | sussudio | ~bzflist |
| 20:03.08 | sussudio | ~turkey |
| 20:03.10 | | bzfquery turkey.moongroup.com 7500 |
| 20:03.21 | sussudio | ~bzfquery turkey.moongroup.com 7500 |
| 20:55.44 | scanline | bzdoug: I started a server for cheat clients.. was using it to test my flight simulator hack |
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| 20:59.17 | captain_proton | doobeedoo |
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| 21:11.19 | SpacemanSpiff | Anyone here on Windows?? I need a bit of help with my client |
| 21:12.09 | Patlabor221 | help of what type? |
| 21:14.48 | SpacemanSpiff | Here's my post on the message board.... |
| 21:15.06 | SpacemanSpiff | http://bzbb.homelinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=108 |
| 21:16.16 | Patlabor221 | what card do you have? |
| 21:16.38 | SpacemanSpiff | An "Intel(r) 82810E Graphics Controller" |
| 21:16.51 | SpacemanSpiff | Just the thingy that came with the pc |
| 21:16.51 | Patlabor221 | ohh god |
| 21:16.56 | Patlabor221 | that's not even a card |
| 21:17.02 | Patlabor221 | I'm sorry |
| 21:17.10 | Patlabor221 | you don't even have hardware GL |
| 21:17.17 | Patlabor221 | don't run BZE when you run BZ |
| 21:17.39 | Patlabor221 | and make sure you are in 16 bit color |
| 21:17.59 | scanline | 810 has enough hardware GL to run quake 3 at the lowest quality at about 20fps.. should suffice for bzflag |
| 21:18.11 | SpacemanSpiff | True.. the pc boasts "Up to 11MB of ram allocated as video memory".. although that means about nouthing from what I understand |
| 21:18.12 | Patlabor221 | your "video" card is realy your motherboard southbridge pretending to be a card. |
| 21:18.28 | Patlabor221 | yes it should sufice for base BZ |
| 21:18.35 | Patlabor221 | but the GL drivers SUCK ASS |
| 21:18.37 | scanline | I used to have a laptop with an 810... it was total crap, but good enough for bz |
| 21:18.43 | Patlabor221 | so I would not have 2 contextxs up |
| 21:18.49 | SpacemanSpiff | So I hear Patlabor221... but I have run BZ Edit and and BZ Flag at the same time many times before.. it worked fine |
| 21:19.05 | Patlabor221 | well something is messing it up |
| 21:19.25 | Patlabor221 | I'd 1) make sure you have the latest drivers, and 2) turn off anything else to see if that helps |
| 21:19.37 | Patlabor221 | then you can start turning things on and see what screws it up. |
| 21:19.54 | Patlabor221 | or serioulsy spend $35 and get a GF2 MX |
| 21:20.01 | Patlabor221 | you will thank yourself |
| 21:20.09 | SpacemanSpiff | I turned of everything and tried |
| 21:20.25 | Patlabor221 | have you installed anything new since it stoped working? |
| 21:20.29 | SpacemanSpiff | I didn't think you could get a GFX card for this kinda of setup? Don't you need and AGP slot? |
| 21:20.33 | SpacemanSpiff | Nope |
| 21:20.53 | Patlabor221 | computers just don't stop working |
| 21:20.56 | Patlabor221 | something had to change |
| 21:21.03 | Patlabor221 | it may not be something you did, but something had to change. |
| 21:21.12 | Patlabor221 | they have PCI cards too |
| 21:21.23 | Patlabor221 | and some 810 mobos have agp slots |
| 21:21.32 | Patlabor221 | what is it an HP or an e-machine? |
| 21:22.17 | SpacemanSpiff | "Compaq Presario 2003 Internet PC" I think? |
| 21:22.27 | Patlabor221 | ohh I am sooooooo sorry |
| 21:22.53 | Patlabor221 | PCI GF2 $48 |
| 21:23.08 | SpacemanSpiff | It's ok.. I guess I have to live with it |
| 21:23.21 | Patlabor221 | but realy, check compaqs site and see if there are any updated drivers |
| 21:23.34 | Patlabor221 | you didn't update to DX8 or anything recenetly did you? |
| 21:23.40 | SpacemanSpiff | Okie doke.. |
| 21:23.42 | SpacemanSpiff | Nope |
| 21:27.35 | Patlabor221 | god they don't even provide system specs for those thigns, just a "prepaid part return" system. Like they know they are crap and jsut gonna break, so don't even bother trying to fix them. |
| 21:31.16 | SpacemanSpiff | The Direct3D test came out ok |
| 21:31.39 | Patlabor221 | that dosn't mean anythign as far as OpenGL is concerned |
| 21:32.08 | SpacemanSpiff | Well.. that being the case.. how could I run BZ with all of the options on except for Shadows up until now? |
| 21:32.12 | Patlabor221 | it's an 810 or 815? |
| 21:32.27 | Patlabor221 | I'm not saying it won't work |
| 21:32.31 | Patlabor221 | something had to change |
| 21:33.12 | Patlabor221 | 81x's work, they are just slow, and don't support all of the OpenGL spec. |
| 21:33.13 | SpacemanSpiff | 810 or 815??? |
| 21:33.18 | Patlabor221 | the chopset |
| 21:33.25 | SpacemanSpiff | Let me look |
| 21:33.28 | Patlabor221 | 810 |
| 21:33.42 | Patlabor221 | 82810e |
| 21:34.14 | Patlabor221 | here are the latest drivers from intel |
| 21:34.15 | Patlabor221 | http://www.intel.com/design/software/drivers/platform/810.htm?iid=ipp_810echpst+prod_du& |
| 21:34.18 | SpacemanSpiff | Yep.. that's it.. 82810E |
| 21:34.42 | Patlabor221 | I'd install the 6.7 drviers |
| 21:34.45 | Patlabor221 | and give it a go |
| 21:35.59 | SpacemanSpiff | I'm onw Windows ME though.. it isn't listed next to the 6.7 driver button |
| 21:36.18 | Patlabor221 | look at the second one |
| 21:36.18 | Patlabor221 | Windows* 95, Windows* 95 OSR 2.x, Windows* 98, Windows* 98 SE, Windows* Me |
| 21:36.33 | Patlabor221 | http://downloadfinder2.intel.com/scripts-df/confirm.asp?dfURL=ftp://aiedownload.intel.com/df-support/4658/a08/win9x67.zip&URL=/4658/a08/win9x67.zip |
| 21:36.37 | SpacemanSpiff | Ahh.. gotcha |
| 21:36.40 | Patlabor221 | you have a 9x kernel |
| 21:37.15 | SpacemanSpiff | If this doesn't work, it isn't going to jack my pc up, is it? |
| 21:37.22 | Patlabor221 | it shouldn't |
| 21:37.36 | Patlabor221 | those are the latest ofical intell drivers for that chipset |
| 21:37.41 | Patlabor221 | if that's realy what you have. |
| 21:38.19 | Patlabor221 | it's allways good to have the latest drivers |
| 21:38.21 | SpacemanSpiff | That's what's in the Device Manager |
| 21:38.32 | Patlabor221 | then that's proalby what you have |
| 21:38.38 | Patlabor221 | tho there is chance in everything |
| 21:38.59 | SpacemanSpiff | So what exactly does this file do? |
| 21:39.25 | Patlabor221 | it installes the 6.7 graphcis chipset driver |
| 21:39.43 | Patlabor221 | the thing that lets windows talk to the hardware so it can draw stuff. |
| 21:40.48 | SpacemanSpiff | Ahh.. I c :) |
| 21:44.23 | bzdoug | oh cooooool |
| 21:44.32 | bzdoug | 1600 meter worlds |
| 21:44.34 | bzdoug | and they work |
| 21:44.37 | bzdoug | sweeeet |
| 21:44.46 | Patlabor221 | make a world object? |
| 21:45.03 | bzdoug | I loaded decks, and the walls are way far away |
| 21:45.11 | bzdoug | let me put something farther out |
| 21:45.28 | Patlabor221 | yes but how did you do it? change the source, or do it with the map "world" tag? |
| 21:45.41 | bzdoug | change the source |
| 21:45.49 | Patlabor221 | why not use the map tag for it |
| 21:45.54 | Patlabor221 | it's in there for a reason |
| 21:45.59 | bzdoug | ? |
| 21:46.02 | bzdoug | what map tag? |
| 21:46.02 | Patlabor221 | then you don't have to patch everyone |
| 21:46.16 | bzdoug | the world size is hardcoded into the game |
| 21:46.17 | Patlabor221 | you can devine a "world" tag in the map that says how large the walls are |
| 21:46.26 | Patlabor221 | the default is |
| 21:46.27 | vogon | Patlabor221: yeah, but it's not implemented. |
| 21:46.33 | vogon | properly, anyway. |
| 21:46.34 | Patlabor221 | cap says it was |
| 21:46.42 | Patlabor221 | does it do anyting at all? |
| 21:46.49 | vogon | not as of the custom CTF thing. |
| 21:47.13 | vogon | actually, it does do something. |
| 21:47.19 | Patlabor221 | what does it do? |
| 21:47.22 | vogon | flags are dropped so as to correspond with the proper world size. |
| 21:47.29 | bzdoug | thats it? |
| 21:47.30 | vogon | but tanks, etc. can't go outside. |
| 21:47.33 | vogon | bzdoug: yeah. |
| 21:47.35 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.39 | vogon | Patlabor221: nope. |
| 21:47.39 | bzdoug | bleeeh |
| 21:47.44 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.48 | vogon | not as of the last time I saw that code. |
| 21:48.05 | bzdoug | well I veriefy that it works |
| 21:48.10 | bzdoug | the source |
| 21:48.23 | Patlabor221 | no not your hack |
| 21:48.32 | bzdoug | const float WorldSize = 1600.0f; // meters |
| 21:48.57 | Patlabor221 | where is that defined? |
| 21:49.25 | bzdoug | global.h |
| 21:49.44 | bzdoug | the most coolest file of all |
| 21:49.45 | bzdoug | :) |
| 21:49.49 | snyke | moo |
| 21:50.02 | bzdoug | neigh |
| 21:50.27 | bzdoug | but gee, it takes forever to go from one side to another |
| 21:51.39 | Patlabor221 | yeah it's not hooked up, doug hook it up |
| 21:51.39 | vogon | hah. |
| 21:51.54 | Patlabor221 | it's all set to be hooked up |
| 21:51.58 | Patlabor221 | everyone uses it |
| 21:51.58 | vogon | well, of course WorldSize works. |
| 21:52.00 | bzdoug | ? |
| 21:52.01 | vogon | the world tag doesn't. |
| 21:52.10 | bzdoug | hook what up where? |
| 21:52.13 | Patlabor221 | it would be easy to hook it into it |
| 21:52.25 | bzdoug | how? |
| 21:52.29 | Patlabor221 | hook the world tag up |
| 21:52.41 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 21:52.44 | Patlabor221 | make it read it from the map |
| 21:52.49 | bzdoug | simple... right? |
| 21:53.04 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 21:53.10 | bzdoug | hum |
| 21:54.06 | bzdoug | building |
| 21:55.01 | bzdoug | soo.... all I do is make a variable and make it somehow transfer the right stuff over? |
| 21:56.34 | Patlabor221 | ohh discusting |
| 21:56.39 | Patlabor221 | howw totatly horible |
| 21:56.46 | bzdoug | class CustomWorld? |
| 21:57.19 | bzdoug | what is? |
| 21:57.30 | Patlabor221 | the entire pack world thing |
| 21:57.36 | Patlabor221 | it's all send as one blob |
| 21:57.38 | Patlabor221 | how nasty |
| 21:57.52 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 21:57.53 | Patlabor221 | now none of my evil plans will work |
| 21:58.06 | bzdoug | like take over the world? |
| 21:58.17 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 21:58.25 | Patlabor221 | just have to buld a new one :) |
| 21:58.31 | bzdoug | ah |
| 21:58.45 | bzdoug | strcmp? |
| 21:58.48 | bzdoug | whats that mean? |
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| 21:59.24 | bzdoug | void CustomWorld::write(WorldInfo * /*world*/) const |
| 21:59.25 | bzdoug | { |
| 21:59.25 | bzdoug | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.25 | bzdoug | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.25 | bzdoug | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.25 | bzdoug | } |
| 21:59.34 | Patlabor221 | yeaht hat's it |
| 21:59.37 | bzdoug | its commented out |
| 21:59.39 | bzdoug | why? |
| 21:59.42 | Patlabor221 | but it's not sent to the slient |
| 21:59.44 | Patlabor221 | client |
| 21:59.53 | bzdoug | oh |
| 21:59.58 | bzdoug | that would mean even more work? |
| 22:00.33 | bzdoug | maybe we could get large world support for e8 |
| 22:00.58 | Patlabor221 | for what? |
| 22:01.09 | SpacemanSpiff | Okie Patlabor.. the download is finished |
| 22:01.15 | bzdoug | for kicks |
| 22:01.19 | Patlabor221 | doug do you read anything? |
| 22:01.20 | sussudio | maybe we could get flying pig support too |
| 22:01.24 | Patlabor221 | there is no e8 |
| 22:01.32 | bzdoug | oh? |
| 22:01.32 | SpacemanSpiff | Where should I extract the files to? |
| 22:01.37 | Patlabor221 | g0 was released like last week |
| 22:01.41 | bzdoug | or that |
| 22:01.44 | bzdoug | that release |
| 22:02.08 | Patlabor221 | spif, where ever, folow whatever the installer tells you to do, there were instrucstions on that site. |
| 22:02.18 | Patlabor221 | doug g would be after e |
| 22:02.44 | bzdoug | yea... so in g1 we could get this larger world thing built in |
| 22:03.01 | bzdoug | would make CTF really boooooring |
| 22:03.03 | Patlabor221 | it would make it incompatable |
| 22:03.07 | Patlabor221 | so it would be 1.9 |
| 22:03.20 | bzdoug | 1.9... |
| 22:03.35 | Patlabor221 | that's what sucks about the large blob way, every change makes it incompatable |
| 22:03.49 | bzdoug | ah, release at 2/24/05 |
| 22:03.53 | Patlabor221 | if it was a bunch of small named blobs, then it could ignore ones it didn't understand |
| 22:03.54 | bzdoug | oh |
| 22:04.19 | bzdoug | then fix it, and make it a requiered update |
| 22:05.29 | Patlabor221 | I"m looking to see how the client askes for stuff fromt he server |
| 22:05.44 | bzdoug | k |
| 22:05.44 | bzdoug | hum |
| 22:05.51 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:06.01 | bzdoug | ~message for bobotheclown: testing |
| 22:06.32 | bzdoug | nope, no messaging |
| 22:06.34 | bzdoug | oh well |
| 22:08.48 | bzdoug | ok, so how do I make a patch from VC++? |
| 22:08.52 | bzdoug | is it possible? |
| 22:08.57 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 22:09.04 | bzdoug | bah |
| 22:09.13 | Patlabor221 | how can you say you are away then ask something? |
| 22:09.37 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: :) |
| 22:10.22 | *** part/#bzflag med (~mederic@ip216-239-78-79.vif.net) |
| 22:10.33 | bzdoug | cool, the world size hack works with g0 client with no changes |
| 22:10.46 | Patlabor221 | you are suposed to be GONE!!!! |
| 22:10.50 | bzdoug | e6 server with g0 client |
| 22:11.00 | bzdoug | hasnt been 5 min |
| 22:11.02 | Patlabor221 | g0 is compatable |
| 22:11.11 | bzdoug | with the worldsize thing |
| 22:11.18 | bzdoug | hmmm |
| 22:11.20 | Patlabor221 | but that's a change |
| 22:11.29 | Patlabor221 | you had to change the G0 client |
| 22:11.36 | bzdoug | nope |
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| 22:11.48 | bzdoug | I changed the server only |
| 22:11.48 | bzdoug | not the client |
| 22:11.54 | Patlabor221 | where does it send the size then |
| 22:11.56 | Patlabor221 | that's odd |
| 22:12.01 | bzdoug | it workd |
| 22:12.03 | Patlabor221 | you sure you didn't rebuild the client |
| 22:12.05 | bzdoug | yup |
| 22:12.31 | bzdoug | hmm, not g0, its MAC f7 version |
| 22:12.43 | bzdoug | same diference |
| 22:12.50 | bzdoug | so anyclient can work with it |
| 22:13.27 | Patlabor221 | it can't global.h is included |
| 22:13.33 | Patlabor221 | in BZ proper |
| 22:13.47 | bzdoug | it works |
| 22:13.50 | bzdoug | I tried CVS too |
| 22:13.57 | bzdoug | er, week old CVS |
| 22:14.01 | Patlabor221 | what is your IP, run a server |
| 22:14.04 | bzdoug | you try |
| 22:14.08 | bzdoug | umm |
| 22:14.18 | bzdoug | heckaman.bzflag.org |
| 22:14.45 | bzdoug | rats |
| 22:14.49 | bzdoug | somethings wrong... |
| 22:14.52 | sussudio | pigs |
| 22:15.00 | bzdoug | 216.135.68.133 |
| 22:15.27 | Patlabor221 | that means the size is sent some how |
| 22:15.28 | Patlabor221 | odd |
| 22:15.47 | bzdoug | grrr |
| 22:15.49 | Patlabor221 | that means that the world object could be hooked up |
| 22:15.53 | bzdoug | I cant connect to my own server |
| 22:15.58 | Patlabor221 | I did |
| 22:16.12 | bzdoug | ooh |
| 22:16.16 | bzdoug | only one user I bet |
| 22:16.52 | bzdoug | hmm, no, server limit is 4000 users |
| 22:17.13 | bzdoug | anyway, I have to go |
| 22:17.32 | bzdoug | I shall leave the server running |
| 22:17.47 | sussudio | molesting chickens doesnt take a few hours :-P |
| 22:21.39 | bzdoug | my planets spin is faster than earths |
| 22:21.41 | Patlabor221 | I bet I know what it is |
| 22:21.48 | bzdoug | ? |
| 22:21.54 | Patlabor221 | so again you LIE |
| 22:21.59 | Patlabor221 | shit just go |
| 22:22.15 | bzdoug | I leave at 5:45 |
| 22:23.07 | Patlabor221 | they stop saying your levaing |
| 22:24.23 | bzdoug | is there a limit on how big the world can be? |
| 22:24.41 | bzdoug | would be neat to create a huge planet sized world |
| 22:25.03 | bzdoug | problem is people would spawn 20 miles away from everybody else |
| 22:25.03 | Patlabor221 | it's a plane |
| 22:25.08 | bzdoug | yea |
| 22:25.28 | bzdoug | but make it really big |
| 22:25.37 | Patlabor221 | and it would be 1/2 the max value of a float |
| 22:25.43 | bzdoug | ? |
| 22:25.50 | Patlabor221 | pluss it would be slower then crap |
| 22:26.13 | Patlabor221 | cus you would have a large number of objects in it |
| 22:26.20 | bzdoug | nah |
| 22:26.35 | bzdoug | make a visual drop off |
| 22:26.39 | Patlabor221 | then what fun is a large empty world |
| 22:26.40 | bzdoug | like in the big games |
| 22:26.48 | Patlabor221 | right now it dosn't do that |
| 22:26.55 | bzdoug | is there anycontrol where people spawn? |
| 22:27.15 | Patlabor221 | client controls that |
| 22:27.23 | bzdoug | hum |
| 22:27.54 | scanline | I should just for fun make a bzflag-like-minigame with the jetstream engine.. it should be easy to do planet-sized worlds and really sweet terrain with it |
| 22:27.56 | bzdoug | if it could get all spawning inside 400x400, then it would work, the big empty space would be just that, big and empty |
| 22:28.11 | Patlabor221 | well you ahve that now |
| 22:28.13 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:28.24 | Patlabor221 | right now every client spawns in it's worlsize of 800 |
| 22:28.34 | bzdoug | yes |
| 22:28.41 | bzdoug | is it locked into that? |
| 22:29.05 | bzdoug | if it is... then I see no problem of making the world like 67000x67000 |
| 22:29.08 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 22:29.18 | bzdoug | or something realisic |
| 22:29.29 | Patlabor221 | yeah, worldsize on the client is 800, what it does is sent just the walls as a larger size from the server |
| 22:30.12 | bzdoug | k |
| 22:30.14 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:31.10 | Patlabor221 | who said anyting about JS? |
| 22:31.20 | Patlabor221 | I'm not doin anything wiht python |
| 22:31.51 | scanline | I did... |
| 22:31.55 | scanline | and what's wrong with python? |
| 22:31.57 | Patlabor221 | ahhhh |
| 22:32.40 | Patlabor221 | I don't think it woul be that hard to replicate the basic featurs of BZ in something else |
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| 23:53.54 | Patlabor221 | crap I accedentaly made a space shuttle |
| 23:55.03 | bzgirl | hi jolly |
| 23:55.14 | jolly | hey bzgirl |
| 23:56.59 | Chestal | hi j |
| 23:57.06 | jolly | hey Ches |
