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01:25.26bzdoughttp://www.depression2.tv/figures/deadcat.html
01:54.46bzdoug~lart icculus
01:55.11vogonhah.
01:55.20vogonsorry, just being weird on another channel.
01:55.20bzdoug~lart everybody in the room
01:55.25bzdougah
01:56.20bzdoughmmmm, clever are you, hmmmm?
01:56.26vogonhah.
01:56.34vogonyoda's one of our regulars who works for nvidia.
01:56.42bzdougah
01:56.43bzdouglol
01:56.48vogonwe make fun of him because he's overweight.
01:56.58bzdoughaha
01:57.19vogonlike, human bowling ball overweight.
01:57.29bzdoug~yoda?
01:57.31hmm... yoda is fat
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02:13.46xhi
02:13.52patlabor221hi
03:23.29captain_protonvogon: get yoda to take the uptime restriction code out of the driver
03:24.00vogonhah. what uptime restriction code?
03:24.04vogon<PROTECTED>
03:25.59captain_protonvogon: when doing tricky things nvidia sometimes gets cranky
03:26.13captain_protonlike scanline's funky funky pixellation technique :)
03:26.19vogonahh.
03:26.19vogonheh.
03:26.34vogonemail linux-bugs@nvidia.com.
03:26.40vogon(I think that's the address.)
03:26.42captain_protondid i tell you he's utterly insane?
03:27.12vogonwho? scanline or yoda?
03:27.23patlabor221both
03:27.32vogonpatlabor221: you don't know yoda. shh.
03:27.52patlabor221I know
03:28.03vogonhttp://www.worldtechtribune.com/worldtechtribune/dwoods1.htm <-- haha. world tech tribune owned by litigation.
03:28.36patlabor221actualy whats his real name, I may.
03:28.42vogonAndy Mecham.
03:28.57patlabor221no that dosn't sound familar
03:29.15patlabor221used to know someone who worked at nvidia, can't recall name now
03:30.41patlabor221was long ago tho
03:37.35patlabor221now why did they ban you?
03:37.43captain_protonthats a very good question
03:38.00patlabor221how are you laying it to rest?
03:38.08captain_protoni removed myself from bzcop - i don't have the energy to deal with our differing ideas on what is "ethical"
03:39.53captain_protonanyone up for some decks?
03:40.03patlabor221I think it would be more proiductive to spend the time and energy on fixing the issues in the game that the cheaters use now.
03:40.14patlabor221bannings, isn't a solution.
03:40.45vogonthe people bitching about swearing in-game should feel free to hack up a client-side chat sanitizer.
03:41.08captain_protoni have infinitely more desire to code for bz/jetstream than to wrassle with the dukot/spiff army about server admin issues
03:41.27captain_protonvogon: you ever get up and running with jetstream? :)
03:42.07vogoncaptain_proton: nah, not yet.
03:42.28vogoncaptain_proton: I'd like a traditional (OMG ITS SO SLOW) X11 interface. so I'll probably hack something up with SDL.
03:42.41patlabor221cap I got you another ship model, this one is royalty free.
03:42.48patlabor221but it's kinda crapy
03:44.40captain_protonvogon: hrm?
03:44.51vogoncaptain_proton: I don't want to have to install picogui.
03:45.03vogoncaptain_proton: just to see if I'll be able to contribute anything.
03:45.08captain_protonvogon: picogui runs on top of SDL
03:45.24vogoncaptain_proton: yes, but I'd prefer to keep the crap I have to install to a minimum.
03:45.30captain_protonbah
03:45.39vogon(seeing as how I only have 1.4 gigs left on /.)
03:45.54captain_protonall the interface stuff is done via libpgserver, so its gonna be complicated to contribute without it
03:46.09vogonI'll figure something out.
03:46.15patlabor221cap is your final client install going to require pico?
03:46.28patlabor221I mean a seperate install of it?
03:46.46captain_protonpatlabor221: we'll distribute binaries that are statically linked with libpgserver
03:46.54patlabor221coo
03:48.31paulanyone heard of spoogebob spermguzzler?
03:48.39paulmore importantly... has anyone got his IP?
03:48.54paul(i wish IP addrs werent hidden)
03:49.43patlabor221ohh that's a name I'd be proud of.
03:49.54paulhe's a twat.
03:50.04paulconsistent 'team killer'
03:50.56vogonyou could hack up a BZFlag backend for ethereal.
03:51.15paulnot my server though.
03:51.33vogonah.
03:51.48paulplus IPs are available to the server operator.
03:52.13captain_protona backend for ethereal would be a useful tool though
03:52.16paulthe anonymity of bz makes it far too easy to act like a dick and get away with it.
03:52.23paulIP addr should be displayed to all.
03:52.27vogoncaptain_proton: I'll get on it.
03:53.10captain_protonpaul: i don't want people like that knowing my IP
03:53.23paulcaptain_proton: i want to know their IP
03:53.30captain_protongranted they can't do much to me right now, but if I were someone like vogon they could drop me offline quickly
03:53.37vogonhow about votekick?
03:53.43vogonthat'd be useful.
03:53.48vogonheh.
03:53.55paulcaptain_proton: on irc everyone knows your IP, that hasnt been bad.
03:54.09vogonpaul: only because we're on a decent network.
03:54.18vogonpaul: go onto DALNet and flame everyone in a large channel.
03:54.25vogonpaul: someone's going to packet you.
03:54.29paulvogon: exactly..
03:54.56paulvogon: so you learn not be a dick, cause if you are, you can be punished.
03:55.16vogonuh, no. you learn to leave dangerous channels for other ones.
03:55.24vogonbecause the type of people who packet you often do it out of spite.
03:55.24paulwith bz, there's absolutely no consequence, as you are completely anonymous.
03:55.44vogonI still think a votekick would work better.
03:55.55paulvogon: yes.
03:56.16paulvogon: there should be a team-vote-kick too, for within scope of team.
03:56.23patlabor221IP
03:56.31patlabor221IP's but just to admins
03:56.52vogonpaul: nah. team vote kick would be the only option.
03:57.11vogonpaul: otherwise, with a 50% + 1 threshold, one team (with one more player) could kick off the entire other team.
03:57.17captain_protonpaul: depends on the IRC server
03:57.29captain_protonpaul: on OPN, thats relatively safe. on some irc servers, the IP address is masked
03:57.33paulvogon: one team has an idiot - on a large game it might be too difficult to get all/sufficient number of players from the other teams to vote.
03:57.52vogonyeah.
03:57.58paulvogon: no.. team-kick would have scope of team.
03:57.59vogonthat's why team vote kick should be the only option.
03:58.27vogonoh, I thought you meant that just those players on the same team would vote to kick.
03:58.39vogon(from the server at large.)
03:58.46paulvogon: yes, but they could only kick players from their own team.
03:59.02vogonyeah.
04:04.03vogonis it just me, or does Ethereal have the best slogan ever?
04:04.11vogon"Sniffing the glue that holds the Internet together."
04:05.01captain_protoni think its just you
04:05.27vogondamn.
04:05.43patlabor221what is etherial?
04:05.51Widgetpatlabor221: Packet sniffer.
04:05.54patlabor221ahhh
04:05.55vogonpatlabor221: packet sniffer / analysis tool.
04:06.37patlabor221then yes that is a great slogan :)
04:06.48vogonheh.
04:07.12patlabor221noone liked my slogan for our product
04:07.17vogonhttp://ethereal.ntop.org
04:07.32patlabor221"Virtual Gibbs. We suck less!"
04:07.42vogonhaha.
04:08.42vogonwell, I have to finish downloading jetstream again (damn 56k) before I can start working on the Ethereal plugin.
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04:15.16captain_protonBZFlag: i'll probably have this commit ready in an hour or two :)
04:15.29vogonYAY!
04:15.34vogonMY MODEM DIED AGAIN!
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04:16.00vogonbash-2.05a$ svn co http://bzflag.net:3000/svn/jetstream
04:16.02vogonsvn: Obstructed update
04:16.05vogonsvn: revision 118 doesn't match existing revision 0 in 'jetstream'
04:16.48captain_protonvogon: try svn cleanup?
04:17.11vogonyes.
04:17.14vogonstill doesn't work.
04:17.26captain_protoni can create a tarball of it all
04:18.02paulcaptain_proton: using subversion?
04:18.09paulcaptain_proton: what you make of it?
04:18.22captain_protonpaul: i like it
04:18.50paulapart from fact it deals with renames/dirs a bit better, why would one prefer it to CVS?
04:19.46patlabor221on windows it does seem a but slower at file transfer then CVS
04:19.59patlabor221but it's ease of use makes up for that
04:20.30captain_protonit does versioning on renames, moves, deletes (and soon symlinks), it handles binary files without any special treatment, truly atomic commits...
04:21.35paulcool enough.. and its ready for prime-time?
04:22.47captain_protonits been working pretty well for me
04:23.08paulkewl... is bzflag devel now subversion hosted?
04:23.15captain_protonnot really sorta kinda
04:23.28captain_protoni have a local tree that i kept in subversion (which i'm merging now to be inserted into cvs)
04:23.37paulah.
04:23.45BZFlagpaul: it's supposed to manage changes in changesets so that you can roll back bits easier and deal with changes to multiple files as one change.
04:24.53paulBZFlag: yeah.. the commit is 'global' across the 'project'.  was looking at the docs - thats a nice feature.
04:25.19captain_protonso far i have no complaints about it - working a lot better than cvs
04:26.24paula good reccomendation.
04:26.51BZFlagwhat's up with the wiki?
04:27.44BZFlagwierd, I reloaded twice and it did not work, now it does again.
04:28.01captain_protonBZFlag: sf python is cranky
04:31.14patlabor221so on the HUD seting opacity changes font size?
04:32.10BZFlagpatlabor221: the last notch changes display area, and hence font sizes might change.
04:32.20patlabor221ahhhh
04:32.22captain_protonhrm
04:32.53patlabor221odd that even size is tied to an "opacity" seting
04:33.27BZFlagwell with o=1.0 there's not much point in having stuff behind the panel.
04:34.11patlabor221I know, just seems odd when you say "set your opacity to 1 to get a smaller pannel"
04:34.20BZFlag<PROTECTED>
04:34.20BZFlag<PROTECTED>
04:34.45BZFlagand hppa at least is using gcc 3.x
04:36.08captain_protonwhat is 'hppa' ?
04:36.15vogonHP PA-RISC.
04:36.26vogonone of HP's weird architectures.
04:36.52captain_protonah
04:42.19paul"mipsel" - such an appropriate name :)
04:44.28paulalthough.. perhaps it should be mipsle and mipseb. :)
04:49.07BZFlagor lemips and bemips?
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05:23.00MrApathyCreamwould be nice if server version showed up in the find server window ==> give it a rest MrApathyCream
06:17.08captain_protonvogon: do you sleep at all anymore?
06:17.57MrApathyCreamibot, vogon?
06:17.59asleep
06:18.14vogoncaptain_proton: yeah.
06:18.24vogoncaptain_proton: between 7 in the morning and 5 at night.
06:18.40MrApathyCreamthose soft cushy desks in class are nice!
06:18.59vogonMrApathyCream: don't go to school.
06:19.02MrApathyCreamah
06:19.17captain_protonhe's one of those "dropouts"
06:19.48MrApathyCreaman 'premature entrepreneur'?
06:20.08vogonyes.
06:20.26vogonbut I'm getting a GED in the next few months, and whatever.
06:22.19captain_protonworlds are pretty compact in binary format
06:22.26MrApathyCreamyup
06:22.52MrApathyCreamit should only take a year or so to get all servers up to g0
06:22.58MrApathyCreamthen it will really be nice
06:23.19captain_protonbzflag.net is on g0
06:23.24captain_protonwith -tkkr :)
06:23.28MrApathyCreamcool
06:23.34MrApathyCreamturkey is too i think
06:23.56MrApathyCreamg0 that is
06:24.59vogonso, the next release will break net?
06:25.21captain_protonyeup
06:25.25MrApathyCreamsposedly
06:25.42vogoncool.
06:26.22captain_protonvogon: heh, you might wanna wait a couple hours to do that ;)
06:26.28vogoncaptain_proton: heh.
06:26.35vogoncaptain_proton: merging Ogg, SDL, and all that other crap?
06:26.42captain_protonno ogg
06:26.55vogongood. then my code can be merged now.
06:26.58captain_protonbut a LOT of code cleanup (std:: instead of AList/BzfString), SDL, joystick
06:27.23vogonbecause, other than a couple of audio loaders in LinuxMedia, I touched nothing.
06:27.43vogonand the audio loaders should be moved to sound.cxx.
06:27.46MrApathyCreamwork on win ?
06:27.50vogonMrApathyCream: should.
06:27.58vogonMrApathyCream: assuming you have the OpenAL Utility Toolkit.
06:28.00MrApathyCreamflw :)
06:28.33vogonthe ALUT just has some WAV loaders.
06:29.09vogonif you don't have the ALUT, then you need to provide a fallback that loads WAV to 8-or-16-bit mono-or-stereo.
06:29.15vogonin system endianness.
06:30.14vogonand creates an OpenAL buffer in the appropriate format.
06:30.37vogon(with alCreateBuffer(1, &buf), and alBufferData(some arguments go here, but I forget them.))
06:31.13MrApathyCreams/you/i/
06:31.22vogonhah.
06:31.44vogonI don't know what platforms lack the ALUT.
06:31.46MrApathyCreamcaptain_proton: cleanup code (svn) still simply mergeable
06:32.15captain_protonMrApathyCream: lge-port isn't simply mergable
06:32.30MrApathyCreamhow bout the string/vector stuff
06:32.37captain_protonstring/vector stuff is in lge-port
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06:32.43MrApathyCreamoh
06:33.09MrApathyCreamdid chestal pop in earlier?
06:33.24MrApathyCreamwas miffed we released with out testing again :)
06:33.52vogonwell, it's good enough for the Linux kernel.
06:33.56vogonit's good enough for us.
06:41.38captain_protongrumble
06:41.40MrApathyCreamdid riker go to disneyworld?
06:41.42captain_protonwhats wrong with this?!
06:42.22vogoncaptain_proton: can't get it up?
06:43.21captain_protonit runs
06:43.39captain_protonbut the control panel is *tiny* and its not drawing the scene sofar as i can tell
06:44.01vogonhah.
06:44.02vogonowned.
06:46.09MrApathyCreamvogon_jeltz can't control his/her aggressions, either. He/She picked on others 16 times.  
06:46.22MrApathyCreammost be true: -- <MrApathyCream> how bout the string/vector stuff
06:46.40MrApathyCreamoops --> http://sigkill9.tripod.com/bzflag.html
06:48.42vogonhah.
06:48.57vogonthat's, like, one-quarter of Senor Proton's attack count.
06:49.56MrApathyCreami think we need daily stats
06:50.32captain_proton10 http://rcam.ws 10 captain_proton
06:51.15vogondid he ever show up again?
06:51.21captain_protonnah
06:53.58captain_protondamn
06:54.03captain_protoni was about to suggest i could commit this right now ;)
06:55.22vogondo it anyway!
07:01.28vogon/usr/include/c++/3.2/backward/backward_warning.h:32:2: warning: #warning This file includes at least one deprecated or antiquated header. Please consider using one of the 32 headers found in section 17.4.1.2 of the C++ standard. Examples include substituting the <X> header for the <X.h> header for C++ includes, or <sstream> instead of the deprecated header <strstream.h>. To disable this warning use -Wno-deprecated.
07:02.20BZFlag<MrApathyCream> did riker go to disneyworld? -- huh?
07:04.09captain_protonvogon: yeah, SGI has lingering issues with #include<X>
07:04.22vogonbah.
07:04.32vogoncan't you ifdef the includes or something?
07:04.42captain_protonvogon: will you try to fix this if i commit? =}
07:04.47vogoncaptain_proton: sure.
07:05.03vogonit slows down my compiles by about 50 billion percent.
07:05.06captain_protonBZFlag: ok if i commit broken code that will be fixed shortly? :0
07:05.21vogonoh, the other problem.
07:05.29vogonI'll try and fix it as fast as I can.
07:07.08vogoncc1plus: warning: -fnonnull-objects is no longer supported
07:07.09vogoncc1plus: warning: changing search order for system directory "/usr/include"
07:07.09vogoncc1plus: warning:   as it has already been specified as a non-system directory
07:07.11vogongrr.
07:07.19captain_protonvogon: again, SGI...
07:08.03BZFlagcaptain_proton: let's not commit for a few days
07:08.25captain_protonBZFlag: pffffff
07:08.27BZFlagI'd like the mac to get compiled to see if there are issues before we break things again. ;-)
07:08.32BZFlaggot a mac?
07:08.36vogon`-m486' is deprecated. Use `-march=i486' or `-mcpu=i486' instead.
07:08.40BZFlagI have one now, but no compiler.
07:09.00vogonand don't say "again, SGI."
07:09.02BZFlagvogon: yeah, I think it's time to change that soon. it still works though...
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07:09.58BZFlagI have an SGI here too, but have not setup the tools yet.
07:10.03vogoncc1plus: bad value (486) for -march= switch
07:10.03vogoncc1plus: bad value (486) for -mcpu= switch
07:10.07vogonoop.
07:10.10vogonit's "i486".
07:10.10vogonlame.
07:10.16BZFlagI'd like to get gcc compiling bzflag there if I had some time. ;-)
07:10.23captain_protonvogon: of course. its one of those 486s running IRIX
07:10.29vogoncaptain_proton: haha.
07:11.42vogonBZFlag: mind giving me an SGI system #define so I can fix all these includes to not bitch on Lunix?
07:12.50BZFlagvogon: if I could get my SGI to compile anything (under Irix) then I would.
07:13.22BZFlageverything works under debian linux on the SGI. ;-)
07:14.17vogon#if !defined(__sgi__) || !defined(__irix__)
07:14.17vogon#include <iostream.h>
07:14.17vogon#else
07:14.17vogon#include <iostream>
07:14.17vogon#endif
07:14.21vogonerr.
07:14.24vogonremove those bangs.
07:16.02vogonand it's __sgi and __mips, according to bacon2k.
07:16.15BZFlaghttps://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=103248&aid=650643&group_id=3248 <- anyone seen this behavior? stuck in the menus.
07:17.13captain_protonnever seen that myself
07:17.41BZFlagme neither.
07:17.43captain_protonsaw something similar when i accidentally started 2 clients at once
07:18.18BZFlagcaptain_proton: I'd like to see your changes as a patch file first. can you get one ready?
07:19.04vogonis there anything that prevents me from changing istream to std::istream, etc?
07:19.15vogonbecause GCC 3 doesn't assume using namespace std.
07:19.48vogonand if it breaks SGI, I really don't give a fuck.
07:21.06captain_protonBZFlag: i'll work on it
07:21.40captain_protonBZFlag: if you care to see the changes against a somewhat older version, svn: http://bzflag.net:3000/svn/bzflag/lge-port/
07:22.48BZFlagvogon: seems to me that there is a platform that breaks with std:: everywhere. =(
07:22.55vogonblah.
07:23.07vogonthat's beyond horribly fucked up.
07:23.44vogonbtw, stdio.h should be replaced with cstdio.
07:23.59BZFlaglook at all those pretty platforms... ;-) http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bzflag/
07:24.45vogonand we really need to branch out the bzfs source.
07:24.54BZFlagvogon: yeah, ugly huh. That's why I want to get my SGI box setup for compiles. Easier to test things if you can do many of them in house.
07:25.05vogonheh.
07:25.21BZFlagand my that I _mean_ in _house_ ;-)
07:25.28BZFlager by
07:30.56vogonw00t.
07:31.00vogonI gutted BzfMedia.
07:31.02vogonand it compiles.
07:31.06vogonand now, I dance.
07:33.31vogonlet's see if I can fix the thing that makes it only work without an audio thread.
07:33.56vogon(even though the audio thread is redundant, as the inner audio loop merely sticks some stuff in some other stuff, and OpenAL does its work in the background.)
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07:39.17captain_protonvogon: if you eliminate BzfMedia then we *should* be able to scrap the platform directory :)(
07:39.33vogoncan't.
07:39.49vogonI can only eliminate the sound functions from the individual Media files.
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08:12.29captain_protonhrmph
08:14.45vogon<PROTECTED>
08:14.50vogonfucking nVidia drivers.
08:15.00vogonand/or whatever the hell caused my computer to crash.
08:15.18vogonturns out that my OpenAL code makes BZFlag incapable of closing the sound thread.
08:15.27vogonand then, when you kill the rogue thread, it brings down X.
08:15.49vogonand when you bring down X with hardware acceleration, it has an uncanny ability to bring down your console, too.
08:16.11vogonif you have to use Magic SysRq once in a given day, it's a bad day.
08:17.23vogonheh.
08:17.27vogonwhy not?
08:17.34captain_protonwhy?
08:17.51ak|racaptain_proton: the computer freezes -> magic sys req
08:17.56vogonthis convo isn't going anywhere if you don't answer.
08:18.13captain_protonmagic sysrq was primarily so you could sync your disks
08:18.18captain_protonwhich isn't an issue with journalled filesystems
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08:21.02vogonwhee, that explains it.
08:21.08vogon3 things oopsed in close succession.
08:21.27vogonall of them trying to dereference null pointers in kernel space.
08:37.42captain_protonbah
08:37.51captain_protonBoost.Python is a pain in the ass to build
08:37.56captain_protonwhy can't they use makefiles like everyone else?
08:39.51ak|racaptain_proton: -> boost .. the c++ thing like stl but with this strange "makefiles" ?
08:41.28captain_protonak|ra: yeah, we're only using boost.python, but the boost install uses its own little tool that you have to build first
08:42.38ak|rai know then what you mean
08:42.52ak|rathis strange whatever build routine ...
08:44.15captain_protonactually jam looks pretty nice
08:44.38ak|rai didnt took a look on it right now
08:44.42ak|rawas to confused :)
08:47.43captain_protonharumph
08:47.52captain_protonSegmentation fault
08:50.04captain_protonand i can't gdb it because './jetstream' is a python program
08:56.46ak|ra:)
08:58.01vogon< mordred> Fight the axis of evil - ban the quaternion!
08:58.14captain_protonhahaha
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09:13.22tomhello
09:13.51tomhelp needed
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09:19.23tomhello
09:20.20captain_protonhi
09:20.28tom:)
09:20.49tomwassup!
09:21.20tomHelp needed, i wanna play bzflag at work (behind firewall)
09:21.47tomwhich portsare used? for severlist dl....etc.
09:22.05captain_protonwell bzfs usually runs on ports 5155/5156
09:22.15tomudp!?
09:22.17captain_protonserver list is on port 5156 at list.bzflag.org
09:22.23captain_protonport 5155 udp, 5155/5156 tcp
09:22.31tomk, thx
09:22.45tomcya@battlefield :D
09:22.49captain_protonusually if you can just do stateful filters it should be fine
09:22.59captain_protonsince the client never has any incoming connections on its own
09:28.20tomon which server are u playing?
09:28.30captain_protoni'm not playing right now
09:29.00tomotherwise
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09:29.22bomber_moin moin
09:29.28bomber_hello Pinguin
09:29.29ak|rahuh
09:29.31tomhi bomber
09:29.49captain_protonhmm
09:29.58captain_proton3 new feature requests and the submitter assigned them to me
09:29.59bomber_Pinguin wie wars in Senegal ?
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09:34.09vogoncaptain_proton: which ones?
09:34.15captain_protonvogon: the 3 latest
09:34.27captain_protoni realized why they were assigned to me - the submitter misfiled them under bzedit
09:35.07vogonhaha.
09:35.20captain_protondisown %
09:37.03captain_protonGRRR
09:37.15captain_protonSegmentation fault
09:37.17captain_protonwake up scanline
09:53.03ak|racaptain_proton: :)
09:53.08ak|raboost it to hell :)
09:53.15captain_protonheh
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11:05.06PinguinHi bomber
11:09.11ak|ramoin Pinguin
11:10.57Pinguinhi
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11:36.06bomber_hi Pingi
11:36.26bomber_wie wars ?
11:36.30bomber_Pinguin??
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12:00.18tomhi
12:02.21tomI am receiving the error message "Error downloading world database"
12:02.37tomhelp would be greatly appreciated!
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12:10.23ak|ra<PROTECTED>
12:10.35bzgirlhi ak|ra
12:10.37ak|rascanline: i think he is :) there were problems with boost.python
12:10.51scanlinehmm... I just used gentoo's boost package and it worked fine
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12:56.09anacondahi
12:56.34Mayhemhiya
12:56.39anaconda1.7g0 doesn't work for me;-(
12:57.14Mayhemhow so?
12:58.28anacondawell, network code seems to be broken a bit - it's switching between reacheable and unreacheable
12:58.37anacondaand it's not my line
13:02.29MayhemDid you previously use 1.7e6, or a cvs version?
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13:23.51anacondahi!
13:27.01Chestalhi anaconda, hmm, that's strange, AFAIK there have been no changes to the basic networking
13:27.09Chestalanaconda: which operating system?
13:33.08anacondaChestal: sorry, was away;-)
13:33.23anacondaChestal: ok. os: linux
13:34.25sussudioanaconda: maybe you have too strong a firewall
13:34.52anacondasussudio: dohhhh! youre right!!!
13:35.02anacondasorry guys;-)
13:35.03sussudioor your ISP is on crack
13:35.15sussudioStarting nmap V. 3.00 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ )
13:35.15sussudioWarning:  OS detection will be MUCH less reliable because we did not find at lea
13:35.15sussudiost 1 open and 1 closed TCP port
13:35.15sussudioInteresting ports on adsl-212-41-73-148.solnet.ch (212.41.73.148):
13:35.15sussudio(The 1595 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed)
13:35.16sussudioPort       State       Service
13:35.18sussudio21/tcp     filtered    ftp
13:35.20sussudio23/tcp     filtered    telnet
13:35.22sussudio520/tcp    filtered    efs
13:35.24sussudio12345/tcp  filtered    NetBus
13:35.26sussudio27374/tcp  filtered    subseven
13:35.28sussudio31337/tcp  filtered    Elite
13:35.30sussudioToo many fingerprints match this host for me to give an accurate OS guess
13:35.32sussudioNmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 108 seconds
13:35.49sussudiowhat's efs?
13:36.10anacondadon't know
13:36.13anaconda;-(
13:36.20sussudio"filtered" usually means it's blocked at your ISP
13:36.29sussudiothey dont want you to run ftp/telnet i guess
13:37.43anacondai'ill see
13:37.46anacondajust a moment
13:44.35anacondaChestal: which port must be open for bzflag?
13:44.49vogon5155 and 5156.
13:44.58anacondathanks
13:45.41sussudiotcp and udp
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14:51.01ak|rahello girl
14:51.15bzgirlhi again ak|ra
14:51.18ak|ra:)
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14:54.25ak|rahello MAC
14:54.26ak|ra:)
14:54.34ak|rathe mailflood wont stop :)
14:55.37MrApathyCreamheh
14:55.50MrApathyCreami composing right now!
14:56.02ak|rai still need the seperate adjustment for radar / message opacity ...
14:57.50MrApathyCreami would do it, but that may generate more mail for you, so i guess i can't ;)
14:57.59ak|ra:))
14:58.10ak|rai could do it by myself but that would lead to more mail to
14:58.11ak|rai could do it by myself but that would lead to more mail too
14:58.16ak|radamnit :)
14:58.18ak|raconfusion
14:58.24ak|raBZFlag: there?
14:58.43ak|raMrApathyCream: would it be fine for you to add a seperate adjustment?
15:00.03MrApathyCreamwell, it could easily be added, it's just whether BZFlag would want it, which is probably no
15:00.23ak|rathats the idea behind : <ak|ra> BZFlag: there?
15:02.01ak|racould you imagine, why tim could be against it?
15:08.57MrApathyCreami think too much configurations (clutter)
15:09.02MrApathyCreamdunno
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15:38.30*** topic/#bzflag by ibot -> 1.7g0 "Holy Dancing Monkeys" released! Buy now and get two for the price of one! http://BZFlag.org/ || Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || "Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" (bz
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15:49.48[KaMiLLe|TeA]ibot ducati
15:49.51[KaMiLLe|TeA]hmm
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15:53.51[KaMiLLe|TeA]hui
15:53.57rooter:)  sorry about that...
15:54.05[KaMiLLe|TeA]tomorrow
15:54.09[KaMiLLe|TeA]17:00 UTC
15:54.11[KaMiLLe|TeA]here
15:54.11rooter17:00 UTC
15:54.12[KaMiLLe|TeA]ok ?
15:54.14rooterOK
15:54.21[KaMiLLe|TeA]have to talk to bomber
15:54.28rooterWhat time is it now in UTC?
15:54.52[KaMiLLe|TeA]ehm
15:55.05[KaMiLLe|TeA]go on http://www.bzflag.org/league
15:55.09[KaMiLLe|TeA]bottem left
15:55.20[KaMiLLe|TeA]u can calculate that ure self
15:55.21rooterhow convienent! :)
15:55.24[KaMiLLe|TeA];)
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15:56.51rooterI believe can make it...  depends on when a meeting gets out...  I might be a few min late :(
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16:00.25[KaMiLLe|TeA]whats few min=
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16:11.45rooterTea: maybe 5-10 min... but i should be able to get there on-time
16:12.10bomber_Tea???
16:12.44ak|rabomber_: ja, mach ich mir jetzt
16:12.46ak|raearl gray
16:12.46rootercalico?
16:12.49ak|raearl gryy
16:12.50ak|raearl grey
16:12.52ak|rasp
16:12.54ak|raso :)
16:13.05ak|raplague vs pinguins ?
16:13.16bomber_i need coffee
16:13.28bomber_ahsoooooooo
16:13.34bomber_wann
16:18.39[TeA]-bomber !
16:18.39[TeA]-!
16:18.45ak|raTea :)
16:18.47[TeA]-bomber_
16:18.50[TeA]-:o)
16:18.55[TeA]-Pleague vs penguins
16:18.58[TeA]-morgend hier
16:19.05[TeA]-17:00 UTC
16:19.09[TeA]-hab ich ausgemacht
16:19.10[TeA]-hehe
16:19.13[TeA]-weil ich match will
16:19.14[TeA]-:o)
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16:22.37calicohi all
16:22.42bzgirlhi calico
16:22.43rooterhello calico!
16:22.49calicofinally
16:22.49rooterwelcome to irc!
16:22.50bzgirlyou got it wroking :)
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16:23.00rootercool beans
16:23.09[dmp]hey calico
16:23.19calicowow theres alot of people in here
16:23.43calicoand i just found out about this, i must be in the stone age
16:23.46[dmp]darn, you must be cheating, you arent exploding when i press left mouse, calico :)
16:23.56calico:P
16:24.38[dmp]You are :). I was just watching your teamlist. You have two new members? are they any good?
16:25.41reenoohi all
16:25.58reenoowhat might be wrong if I get the following:  X changes to 800x600, but bzflag only uses a frame of 640x480 in the top left corner; I can still see parts of my "desktop"
16:26.06calicodont know never seen them until yesterday :P
16:26.14[dmp]ah, newbies then :)
16:26.31calicomust be
16:26.43calicoim on all the time and ive never seen either of them
16:26.51Chestalreenoo: try starting with -geometry 800x600 or whatever
16:27.08ak|rahi Chestal
16:27.09ak|rahi calico
16:27.15Chestalak|ra: tag
16:27.16calicohi akira
16:27.16scanlinecaptain_proton: morning
16:27.55[dmp]calico: we have a few of those.. Our team suffers from "The elite" success. Everbody joins, but few plays :)
16:28.08calicolol
16:28.33Chestalak|ra: that's a sort of tea I must urgently buy again
16:28.44captain_protonscanline:
16:28.51captain_proton[jupiter@bhaskara ~/projects/jetstream]$ ./jetstream
16:28.51captain_protonSegmentation fault
16:28.52scanlinecaptain_proton:
16:29.09scanlinecaptain_proton: yeah.. svn up and try it now, still doesn't work but it doesn't segfault right away
16:29.20calicocommander and brennan are our 2 new peeps
16:30.07ak|raChestal: vorhin erst gemacht :))
16:30.07ak|ranow its teatime :)
16:31.10reenooChestal: that works fine. thanks a lot.
16:31.59scanlinecaptain_proton: the python, threading, and pgserver interface code is all different now :)
16:32.08[TeA]-hmm
16:32.15[TeA]-teatime
16:32.42calicodont get all excited now :P
16:32.49[TeA]-hehe
16:33.45calicowhat time is it in utc right now, does anyone know
16:34.08captain_protonscanline: you nut
16:34.31scanlinecaptain_proton: once this works, it will mean threading is supported but not required
16:34.51scanlineshould fix the latency issues with getting events from pgserver to the python thread and back
16:34.56captain_protonooh
16:35.14scanlineit also means that any C++ class can be used from python with minimal effort
16:35.26scanlineand no per-instance memory overhead
16:35.49scanlinetake a look at PythonWrapper.cpp if you're curious :)
16:36.01scanlinehmm...
16:36.05scanlineBOOST_PYTHON_TO_PYTHON_BY_VALUE(std::string, PyString_FromString(x.c_str()))
16:36.20scanlinedamn boneheaded converter assuming the std::string won't have any null bytes in it...
16:36.35captain_protonheh
16:37.22scanlinethis is for a buffer of responses from pgserver
16:37.30scanlineI was getting no data out because the first byte was a zero
16:39.59scanlineThis whole mess started because ScriptableObject was segfaulting when I was trying to test Surface :P
16:40.28scanlinehopefully I'll have some simple parametric surfaces and heightfields working we can take pictures of
16:42.11captain_protonhehe
16:42.30captain_protoni should have some time later today, perhaps we can do a mountainous flyby
16:42.39captain_protonfor a video to "demo"
16:42.57scanlinecool. I have a good chunk of the Surface header written, to give you an idea of what I'm aiming for
16:43.28scanlinethe parametric surface functions should probably be moved to a separate file... definitely should move the lightmapping once it's there
16:44.09captain_protonhmm
16:44.31scanlinenah
16:44.38captain_protonnah?
16:44.49scanlineit should just be part of the lightmap class
16:44.59scanlinewe'll need to invoke it from the in-game level editor
16:45.14scanlinesince the game engine is a python module now, you could invoke the same function from a standalone utility also
16:45.23captain_protoni'm saying it would be nice to have an external utility to do it - something that doesn't depend on pg, X, etc
16:45.29captain_proton(something i can run on the origin)
16:45.35scanlinehehehe
16:46.01scanlinewell, if we split the picogui/X pieces into a separate python module that would be easy
16:46.06captain_protonDAMNIT!
16:46.28captain_protoni just tried to make coffee and ended up with hot water
16:46.36scanlinereally weak coffee :)
16:46.39scanlineI've done that before
16:48.02scanlinehehe
16:50.29scanlineIs there an easy way to chop off the first x characters from a std::string?
16:51.32scanlinelooks like substr is the closest.. bah
16:53.10captain_protonthats -exactly- what substr is for
16:53.26scanlineyeah, but it will create a new string object
16:56.26Chestalthen use erase
16:57.46scanlinethat's not the problem.. it's going to allocate more memory when it doesn't need to
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16:58.23scanlineI'll redo this later with something more efficient
16:58.41Chestalscanline: hmm, erase  shouldn't use any memory depending on the implementation of course
16:58.52scanlineno, I was talking about the substr
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16:59.16Chestalscanline: yes, but if you just want to chop something off and don't need the odl strign anymore, why not use erase
16:59.17captain_protonhmm
16:59.28scanlineoh
16:59.34scanlineneat, I didn't know it could erase only a substring
16:59.35captain_protonscanline: i may end up having to do something else instead of hacking at Surface this afternoon....
16:59.41scanlineok
16:59.57scanlineChestal: thanks
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17:00.17captain_protonscanline: it starts with 'o'
17:00.24captain_protonand ends in 'rigin' =D
17:00.31scanlinecaptain_proton: yay!
17:00.58captain_protonscanline: hrm, got any schmidt trigger buffers?
17:01.08scanlinehmm.. though the lightmap generation will require an OpenGL context
17:01.23scanlineI was going to hardware accelerate the radiosity rendering of course
17:01.28scanlinecaptain_proton: not here
17:01.38captain_protonah well, worth a shot
17:01.56scanlineoh, definitely
17:02.19scanlineoh wait
17:02.22scanlineI read that backwards
17:02.24scanlineyou silly person!
17:02.30PatLabor2211.7g0 definatly has issues on a windows server, after running a while it uses 100%CPU
17:03.29captain_protonheh
17:03.36ak|raPatLabor221: thats win32 :)
17:03.49PatLabor221e6 does not do this
17:04.22Chestalthe bgu report on sf reads, that all bzfs versions do this on Windows after the first palyer quits
17:05.04PatLabor221hmmm, my e6 server didn't do this
17:05.04PatLabor221I will debug
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17:32.42m0nkeyb0ymorning all
17:32.45Chestalhi mb
17:33.38hardwirelalala
17:34.44bomber_hi mb
17:35.57ak|ramoin mok
17:35.59ak|ramoin monk
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17:36.14bzgirlhello
17:36.30Chestalhi bzg
17:38.12ak|raChestal: how long should i let the tea pull ? :))
17:38.46Chestalaua
17:39.18captain_protonhahaha
17:39.26captain_protonnow spiff feels guilty because i removed myself from bzcop
17:40.36m0nkeyb0yi am reading all this news...
17:40.46m0nkeyb0ydrama with bzcops eh
17:40.49Patlabor2211and you thought you were done with it
17:40.53ak|raChestal: wie lang muss ein earl grey ziehen um nicht wach zu machen, sondern einfach nur zum trinken?
17:41.03captain_protoni was sincerely hoping i was done with it
17:41.09m0nkeyb0yhi bzg, bomber, akira
17:41.17hardwirecaptain_proton: i actually added a few options to a joystick to Xevent interperator I wrote.. makeing a more universal hack..  so now I can control bzflag with any joystick I can hook up to this box
17:41.17m0nkeyb0yall
17:41.23ak|raChestal: lup is on
17:41.27hardwiresorry about the harassment yesterday
17:41.43captain_protonhardwire: no problems
17:41.58hardwirecoolio
17:42.12hardwireI should work soon
17:42.21captain_protonthere's no such thing as way too much bzflag
17:42.31captain_protonPatlabor2211: did you know scanline is insane?
17:42.36hardwirewell.. you live in the dorms right?
17:42.46captain_protonyeah i do
17:42.58hardwireheh.. so.. I have 2 roomates of my own.. and they always wanna play
17:43.06hardwireand now an antire channel I hang on wants to play.. all the time..
17:43.14scanlinehardwire: captain_proton and I live down the hall from each other... and now you're here... small world :)
17:43.15hardwirebasically because everybody is buying gforce4's
17:43.18Patlabor2211yeah
17:43.36hardwire<PROTECTED>
17:43.40hardwirehehr
17:43.43hardwireblah
17:43.56Patlabor2211cap: what is he doing now?
17:44.14captain_protonand...*GASP* lurgyman-away lives here too
17:44.15scanlineyeah, what am I doing now?
17:44.19captain_protonPatlabor2211: Surface
17:44.25scanlineah
17:44.30scanlineyou like my ambitious header file?
17:44.35Patlabor2211ohh that is sooo yesterday
17:44.38Patlabor2211tell me something new
17:46.28captain_protonPatlabor2211: it can convert on the fly between a polygon, a ROAM (diamond) surface, and a bezier patch?
17:47.07scanlinewell, it's not so much conversion... more like a surface is always a polygon, a diamond surface, and a bezier patch
17:47.53scanlinethe surface is always tesselated with the Diamond algorithm, and it's based on a parametric surface that might be a plane, triangle, NURBS, etc. plus zero or more modifiers that could add pseudorandom noise, a heightfield, fractal landscapes...
17:48.40scanlineThere could be a way to convert between this Surface and a polygon if we need to, but I'm expecting that everything can be built with surfaces
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17:49.39scanlineI'm planning on making a global LOD system for handling things like the Diamond tesselation detail, dynamic lighting detail, and such, all based on a target frame rate
17:50.03scanlinesince it's looking like we'll have a ton of LOD parameters, this will keep users from having to tweak them and just automatically pick the best options for your system
17:51.04Patlabor2211and this is all done in python?
17:51.08vogonbleh.
17:51.25scanlineC++ backend, python frontend
17:51.26vogonone of my friends who's just getting into OOP says that it's OK to have a class act like a struct.
17:51.37vogoni.e., everything's a public member.
17:51.44scanlinevogon: what's wrong with that?
17:52.01vogonscanline: if every member of your class is public, it's a sign that it needs to be a struct instead.
17:52.13scanlineoh
17:52.17scanlinewell yeah
17:52.22scanlinebut that's a C++ thing, not an OOP thing
17:52.28vogonwell, yeah.
17:52.33scanlineOOP is language neutral
17:52.42vogonyeah, I realize that.
17:52.46scanlineok
17:52.57vogonbut giving everything full permission to fuck with your innards is not a good idea, nonetheless.
17:53.02hardwirescanline: you make me wanna shoop shoop shoop
17:53.19scanline~lart hardwire's shooping craze
17:53.29hardwiremwa ha ha
17:53.45vogonwait, a truckload of vaxen?
17:53.53scanlinethat's like.. 2 of them?
17:53.55vogoncouldn't a truckload of anything else serve the same purpose?
17:54.05vogonexcept for granularity constraints, of course.
17:54.41Patlabor2211truckload implize volume, so you want stuff with max density
17:54.44vogonthat is a truckload I can get behind.
17:54.57vogonPatlabor2211: well, fine.
17:55.03vogonPatlabor2211: how about a truckload of molten lead?
17:55.15Patlabor2211depleted uranium
17:55.22vogonexcellent idea.
17:55.40Patlabor2211einstinium, but you woudl have to dump it FAST.
17:55.45vogonbut depleted uranium is only fun when fired out of a weapon.
17:55.46scanlinenon-depleted uranium
17:55.56Patlabor2211too expensive
17:55.58vogonnon-depleted uranium is fun for the whole family, though.
17:56.04vogonweapons-grade plutonium.
17:56.15scanlineplutonium, breakfast of champion
17:56.17scanlines
17:56.27vogonhypercriticality is just a bonus.
17:56.28scanline~lart scanline's enter key
17:56.39scanlinebut it's already lost it's mojo!
17:57.15Patlabor2211if it's a mojo | then you have it back now
17:57.23vogonthe NRC was just giving them away.
17:57.42vogonof course, it's not like terrorists can do much with the manuals.
17:58.07vogonexcept, like, run the reactor outside of acceptable limits and other feats of daring-do.
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17:58.29vogonwhich really isn't that hard, if you think about it.
18:01.19vogonwhich brings me to my proposition for a new extreme sport.
18:01.23vogonfuel rod juggling.
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18:02.55Patlabor2211arn't they just colbalt?
18:03.01Patlabor2211or are those the other rods?
18:03.15scanlinecarbon control rods, uranium fuel rods.. right?
18:03.17vogonthe other rods are graphite.
18:03.21vogonscanline: yeah.
18:03.26vogonU-238, I think.
18:03.32vogonor Pu.
18:03.37vogon-239.
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18:05.01vogonthe control rods are controlled by electromagnetic actuators, and there's a SCRAM ("safety cut rope axe man", coined by Fermi) switch to cut the power to them.
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18:06.24hardwireand I say to myself
18:06.29hardwirewhat a wonderfull world
18:07.25vogonanywho, time to rock out to Negativland.
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18:18.36scanlinew00t
18:21.20hardwire:)
18:21.39scanlinepythong? sounds fun
18:21.57hardwireit sure is
18:22.34hardwireever seen Drowning Mona
18:22.40scanlineno
18:22.44hardwireits a good movie
18:22.49hardwiresame with Death to Smoochy
18:22.54hardwiresaw that last night
18:23.21scanlinehehe
18:27.36hardwirewoot.. I am using Xchat.. and not freaking out
18:28.53[TeA]-_rö
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18:33.37ak|rahello tim
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18:34.03BZFlagheya
18:34.31ak|rawhat do you think of seperate adjustments for radar / messagebox ?
18:35.44BZFlagadjusting what?
18:35.56ak|rathe radar opacity
18:36.03BZFlagI don't see the point.
18:36.03ak|ramessage opacity
18:36.25ak|raok, i "need" 2 different opacities to play the way i want
18:36.41BZFlagI think most people want them the same, that would mean that most people would have to adjust two menu entries every time they want to change it.
18:36.46ak|raa almost black radarbox and a slightly dark message box .,,
18:36.54BZFlaghmm.
18:37.27BZFlagask around to see what others feel. I'd be surprised if many wanted that, but it's possible.
18:37.34ak|rait would be fine for me if the guioption adjust both at once but if i could adjust them seperatly in the configfile
18:37.55BZFlagthat's a possibility.
18:38.31[TeA]-lalala...
18:38.34[TeA]-lalalalalala....
18:39.19ak|raBZFlag: what are the reasons you are "against" it?
18:39.41ak|ra"keep things simple" ?
18:39.56hardwirewerd up BZFlag..
18:40.39ak|rahardwire: ?
18:40.52hardwireso sorry
18:40.56hardwirewerd up ak|ra
18:41.45ak|rahardwire: ?
18:42.55hardwireak|ra: what is your question man
18:43.11ak|rawhat do you want???
18:43.19ak|ra<hardwire> werd up ak|ra
18:43.22ak|ra??
18:46.15hardwireok
18:46.33hardwirewerd up.. is american white boy wanna be ebonics slang for "whats going on.. man.."
18:47.12ak|rain short: nothing
18:47.17hardwireak|ra: just a suggestion.. decaf..
18:47.33hardwireheh
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19:00.03PerfectCellhowdy
19:00.07ak|ramoin
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19:01.28SGIHi
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19:01.59captain_protondamnit
19:02.01PerfectCellif i shoot a guided missile will it be first created on the server and then the server sends the positions so the client can update, will it work this way?
19:02.06captain_protonmy microwave just browened out again
19:02.18scanlineha
19:02.34Chestalis there any tool I can use to browse a (local) CVS repository, soI can easily see diffs etc.? Just like the web based browser on sf
19:02.53PatLabor221cell, each client handles it's own shots
19:02.56ak|ralinux?
19:03.08PerfectCellyes now, but later?
19:03.11ak|raChestal: linux ?
19:03.21Chestalakira: yes
19:03.27ak|raChestal: kde?
19:03.29PatLabor221later, yes the serer will be authoritive
19:03.31Chestalak|ra: no
19:04.00ak|raChestal: for kde there is such a tool -> cervisia
19:04.02PerfectCellso if i have high ping i will press the fire button and 1 second later comes the shot?
19:04.03Chestalak|ra: I gcvs here, but this seems to be useless
19:04.29ak|raChestal: how are diffs displayed?
19:04.51Chestalhmm, there are a couple ofcommand lien tools
19:05.02Chestalcvslastchange is good enough for me right now
19:05.11PatLabor221cell: proalby not, what will proably hapen is you will breate a local shot, and send the data to the server with a time stamp, then it sends it to everyone else, and tehy can interpolate where the shot is when they get it from teh start time
19:05.30PatLabor221and then the server can send authoritive positonal updates to fix the pos of the shot
19:05.32PerfectCellsince bzflag does this polygon tessaelation to display shot lights on buildings etc could this be done with the same technique as shodow volumes, just light volumes
19:05.35PatLabor221that way you see it right away
19:06.04ak|racaptain_proton: what kind of music?
19:06.18captain_protonak|ra: serialism - in this case, Webern
19:06.49ak|racaptain_proton: dont get it
19:07.01captain_protonak|ra: you might know it better as "12-tone music"
19:07.21ak|racaptain_proton: nope
19:07.23ak|rawhats this?
19:07.50captain_protonak|ra: modern "classical" - doesn't follow any of the rules of tonality, uses all 12 tones of the western musical system
19:08.42ak|raah, no i get it
19:08.49ak|rawhat for instruments?
19:08.53ak|raclassical?
19:09.17hardwirelots of people think its funny that I put vasaline on my joystick.. but to me it just makes sense
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19:09.42ak|rahardwire: are you the one with the senseless statements heree?
19:10.03hardwireyou heard?
19:11.03captain_protonak|ra: this one is for "large orchestra," even though there are only a few people playing at any one time
19:11.03ak|racaptain_proton: ok, get it now ...
19:11.46captain_protonscanline: what was that C compiler for PIC?
19:12.07scanlineSDCC
19:12.23scanlinesdcc.sf.net I think
19:12.40scanlineit was originally for the 8052, though there's a PIC port.. last time I checked it was only for the PIC16F84 though
19:12.45captain_protonhmmmmmm
19:12.52captain_protonlooks like the MPLAB IDE is free
19:13.04scanlineyes, but that doesn't include a C compiler
19:13.37scanlineif you just want assembler, there are some good open source tools
19:13.42scanlinegpasm and gpsim
19:13.56ak|rawhat is PIC good for?
19:14.10scanlinethere's also an open source app to run the programmer I have, though I forget what it's called
19:14.18captain_protoni should probably just do asm
19:14.22captain_protonak|ra: lots
19:14.26scanlineak|ra: it can't run linux, so obviously nothing!
19:14.48scanlineak|ra: http://blinkenlights.sf.net
19:14.50scanline:)
19:15.21SGI:- )
19:16.34ak|raso what is it?
19:16.45captain_protonheh, gputils is in portage
19:16.50scanlineneat
19:16.58ak|raits different from the PIC stuff in -DPIC right?
19:16.58captain_protonak|ra: its a little microcontroller architecture
19:17.03captain_protonyeah
19:17.10captain_proton-DPIC is position independent code
19:17.25scanlineshouldn't that be -fPIC instead of -DPIC?
19:17.40captain_protonscanline: both -fPIC and -DPIC
19:17.40ak|racaptain_proton: could you explain this a bit better .. the -fPIC -DPIC thing?
19:18.03scanline-fPIC == position independent code == something needed for linking shared libraries
19:18.09scanlinecompletely different than the PIC we were talking about
19:18.44captain_protonhttp://www.microchip.com/1010/pline/picmicro/index.htm <-- PIC
19:18.46ak|rascanline: ok, thats what i understand now
19:18.46scanlineposition independent code measures all addresses relative to a base address that's defined at runtime, so it can be mapped into any location in a process' address space
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19:19.18ak|raah, ok ...
19:19.36ak|raif i build a .so lib .. do i need explicit -fPIC stuff?
19:19.41ak|rahello m0nkeyb0y
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19:20.02m0nkeyb0yhi akira
19:20.04scanlineak|ra: yes
19:20.05m0nkeyb0yhi all
19:20.15scanlineak|ra: you need -fPIC for gcc and ld, and -shared for ld
19:20.15captain_protonak|ra: yeah, you do
19:20.17bzgirlhi mb
19:20.20m0nkeyb0ycaptain you around?
19:20.23m0nkeyb0yhi bzg
19:20.29hardwirescanline: ever tried mplayer in gutenflash mode?
19:20.38scanlinehardwire: haha, not yet
19:20.44hardwireyou should and take pics :)
19:21.03hardwireits in all the new mplayer sources
19:21.09scanlinehardwire: I don't have a good API for this thing yet, so it's hard to do much with it other than run my little XMMS plugin
19:21.10captain_protonm0nkeyb0y: indeed
19:21.22hardwirescanline: aaa..ok
19:21.27hardwireanybody wanna join me for pizza?
19:21.33scanlinehardwire: the rectangular portion is also only 5x8 pixels :)
19:21.52scanlinehardwire: are you in boulder?
19:21.58hardwirescanline: of course...
19:21.59hardwirenot
19:22.07hardwireotherwise I would have knocked and asked
19:22.13hardwirehey
19:22.23hardwireyou know I am not a big creepy weirdo :)
19:22.23scanlinehehe
19:22.29hardwireI only play one on IRC
19:22.38scanline:)
19:23.11hardwireunline some people.. freeeaky people.. that you meet on irc.. I actually talk when the "gang" meets up
19:23.47hardwireI have time over time met up with over talkative irc goons that are cool.. and.. when they are offline.. are just boobs
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19:25.50hardwireand an extrovert around people he doesn't
19:26.04hardwirewell.. matters on the crowd
19:26.11rooterhardwire has personality issues
19:26.14hardwiresome crowds it pays to not talk..
19:26.27Chestalwhat do you mean by "around people", "meet"? What kind of concept is that?
19:26.28hardwirelike in the crowd of windows users
19:26.36rooterscary
19:26.45hardwireor.. in the crowd of overzealous christians
19:27.01hardwirejust zip my mouth and everybody has a good time
19:27.04rooternot quite as scary :)
19:27.05scanlineurg.. I think my X server is leaking memory badly
19:27.06scanlinebrb
19:27.20ak|rascanline: sometimes i think the same
19:28.15PatLabor221I thought linux didn't do that
19:28.25rooterha ha ha ha
19:28.26ak|raPatLabor221: its not linux
19:28.32ak|raPatLabor221: its the xserver ...
19:28.48PatLabor221still
19:28.54captain_protonPatLabor221: programs can leak memory while they're running - its just the operating system reclaims it on program exit
19:29.09PatLabor221so the x server allocated an assload
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19:30.07captain_protonscanline: help!
19:30.16scanlinehow?
19:31.05captain_protonscanline: i'm wrestling with gpasm - its not liking me
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19:46.19ak|raChestal: there?
19:48.30ak|rathe e7 server throws me out the game with "turn on udp" -> it is ON
19:48.39ak|ramy client is the e6 client
19:48.40ak|rawhats this?
19:49.02m0nkeyb0yit detects cheat clients
19:49.05m0nkeyb0y;)
19:49.28ak|ra????
19:49.38m0nkeyb0yhehe
19:49.44ak|raits the standard e6
19:49.51m0nkeyb0yi was joking
19:49.54ak|rawith patch for radar/message box
19:50.03ak|raChestal: wake up
19:50.14m0nkeyb0yhe said he had some work to do.
19:51.07BZFlagak|ra: yeah, "keep it simple" from a user's perspective in this case.
19:51.21BZFlagI'd go along with a clean config setting patch though.
19:51.57BZFlagak|ra: are you perhaps firewalled? if udp can't get through, then the server thinks you have udp off.
19:52.33m0nkeyb0yi was just on ducati
19:52.42m0nkeyb0yi have 1e6-m also
19:52.47m0nkeyb0ymole patch
19:53.41ak|raBZFlag: firewall is on, but masq udp_loose too
19:53.52ak|raand it has been working always ..
19:55.13m0nkeyb0yak|ra: do you use -interface option with bzflag client?
19:55.21ak|ranot at the moment
19:55.23ak|rashould i?
19:55.58m0nkeyb0yi do always
19:56.08BZFlagshould not matter. tcpdump it and see what's happening. =(
19:56.19m0nkeyb0y-interface #ipaddrress:5154
19:56.20ak|ragot no -interface
19:56.30m0nkeyb0yi used to have this udp prob
19:56.48m0nkeyb0ythis seemed to work for me
19:57.46m0nkeyb0ywell i use -port port# -interface ipaddress:port
19:57.46BZFlagm0nkeyb0y: that's -i on the server, no?
19:57.52m0nkeyb0ywith client
19:58.00ak|rainterface halps
19:58.08ak|ramhhh
19:58.15m0nkeyb0yi always got this...no udp message with my local server until i did this
19:58.20BZFlagah yeah. -i on the server -interface on the client.
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19:58.33m0nkeyb0yyes..sorry i use -i on server too
19:58.33BZFlagm0nkeyb0y: do you have multiple interfaces?
19:58.50m0nkeyb0yummmm...no ;)
19:59.19ak|raok, now it works without any flags again
19:59.24BZFlaglinux? what does ifconfig -a show? windows ipconfig /all
20:00.04m0nkeyb0ysu
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20:02.12m0nkeyb0ysorry crahsed my xserver
20:03.50m0nkeyb0ysu to you all
20:04.23m0nkeyb0yand you thought i would do it..didn't you?? ;)
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20:13.05scanlineow
20:13.17hardwireits the shizz niggity
20:13.40hardwireor.. my neghbors jyostick
20:13.45hardwireor some dude in alaska can control it
20:14.04captain_protonscanline: i just started downloading the captain engineering movie
20:14.04hardwirebut thats just cause I have weird stuff happenin
20:14.04scanlinethey had a movie!?
20:14.17captain_protonscanline: tv movie, but movie all the same
20:14.32scanlinewhee!
20:14.44scanlinecaptain_proton: ooh.. another useless feature
20:14.50scanlineyour cursor can turn into a lens flare!
20:14.52captain_protonscanline: it'll take forever to download, but i should get it
20:16.07scanlinespiffy
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20:43.36xxxxhi all
20:43.49patlabor221hello
20:50.03scanlinecaptain_proton: got the picogui event queue and therefore the console working, though you'll have to update your pgserver and cli_python
20:50.32scanlinecaptain_proton: now the python code is guaranteed to get input events and process them within a frame :)
20:50.46scanlineand on that note I go to class
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21:02.57[TeA|TrEE]nacht all
21:03.03ak|ranacht
21:04.21ak|raibot ducati
21:14.50BZFlaghmm.. bzfs is looping eating cpu
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21:27.21[dmp]ibot ducati
21:30.34BZFlagit's a curMaxPlayers bug
21:31.46bzdoug_?
21:33.58Chestalbzflag: so, do 1.7g2 for xmas? :-)
21:34.09BZFlagbzfs is not reaping all CLOSE_WAIT handles and so it loops endlessly after one is created cause curMaxPlayers is st back to 0
21:34.23Chestalmayeb we can even fix bzfs, so it runs on Windows
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21:35.25xxxxxxxxxxxpatlabor221?
21:35.55xxxxxxxxxxxhi all
21:42.47BZFlagChestal: patches welcome.
21:43.02bzdoug_:)
21:43.42ChestalBZFlag: someone is workign on the windwos problemI think, forgot who. There are a couple other small things I'd like to change, but no before Thursday
21:44.51BZFlagthursday?
21:46.36bzdoug_~blah pig swine
21:46.37wish i knew, bzdoug_
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21:55.12sussudiocvs still says 1.7e7
21:57.12BZFlagnope. was 1.7g0 and now it's 1.7g1
21:57.23BZFlagcvs up -Pdr v1_7
21:58.15sussudioi had to delete config cause it wouldnt compile anymore
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21:59.33sussudioit's a bratwurst! it's a wiener schnitzel! it's Cell!
22:00.08bzdoug_its sussudio's twin!!!
22:00.23Cellshit 3ds seems not to remember animations
22:00.54bzdoug_heh
22:02.02Celltry to export my animations into my game
22:02.06sussudiopigdoug
22:02.16Celli did thewm with 3d studio
22:02.57Celloh, i have a second eizo monitor 21''
22:03.18bzdoug_sweet
22:03.41bzdoug_my dad has a 21 inch and a 19 inch hooked up to his mac
22:03.43Cellnow i can read the 3d studio doc on one screen while working on the other
22:03.44bzdoug_:)
22:03.49bzdoug_Cell: heh
22:04.29sussudiobzdoug_: you perv
22:06.39bzdoug_sussudio: you perv
22:07.49Cellhey patlabor221: how shall i save/use an animated mesh(per vertex animation), does the mod2 file handle this?
22:09.32sussudiobzdoug_ : i'm not the one shagging a mac
22:15.33Cellfor example my animated puker: http://217.229.14.16/puker.avi
22:17.10Celllow poly model, but has per vertex animation
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22:55.35Patlabor2211stoned again?
22:55.51bzdoug_no, only stuffed with rice
22:56.12Patlabor2211weeeeeaaaaakkkk
22:56.50bzdoug_?
22:57.22Patlabor2211rice
22:57.30bzdoug_oh.
22:57.31Patlabor2211rice won't get you stoned
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22:57.43bzdoug_rice wine will
22:57.55Patlabor2211sake is some good stuff
22:58.20Patlabor2211plum wine = nastyness
22:58.34bzdoug_rice wine vaniger
22:58.51Patlabor2211tthat's bad sake
22:58.55Patlabor2211but it's good in food
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23:16.33BZFlagjzaun: you set reply-to to the list on cops? ugh.
23:17.16jzaunBZFlag: yah... why?
23:17.31jzaunno need to retype it every time that way
23:17.47BZFlagreply to does NOT go to both if reply-to is in the header. it ONLY goes to the list.
23:17.54ak|racu all
23:17.56*** part/#bzflag ak|ra (~akira@pD9533FC3.dip.t-dialin.net)
23:19.17BZFlaghttp://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html <- /me agrees with this.
23:19.31jzaunBZFlag: sorry.... I just know I get double emailes on some lists... thats the reason I was given :-|
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23:20.07BZFlagjzaun: if you reply-to-all on a list that does not touch reply to, then yes, you get 2 copies
23:20.21BZFlagor the sender you replied to does.
23:21.07BZFlagwell, it's your list so do what you like. I recommend no "[foo]" subject prefixes and not setting reply-to
23:21.45BZFlagdecent mailers have "reply" and "reply all". only a few have "reply sender" as well.
23:23.23BZFlagwith the list setting reply-to, "reply" and "reply all" do the same thing so you have lost the option to reply to the sender if your email client does not have a "reply sender" hack.
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23:29.47jzaunBZFlag: I'm not ignoring you... on the phone and readin the page
23:30.45bzdoug_does anyone have one of these cd-rom mp3 players?
23:31.25patlabor221yeah
23:31.32BZFlagbzdoug_: someone does. I'm sure of it.
23:31.33bzdoug_how good are they?
23:31.38patlabor221they play
23:31.38bzdoug_BZFlag: :P
23:32.01patlabor221aprox 11 hours of music per CD
23:32.06bzdoug_patlabor221: hmm, what model?
23:32.09bzdoug_who made it?
23:32.16patlabor221the nomad one
23:32.21patlabor221but I've also had the dlink
23:32.23bzdoug_oh
23:32.27bzdoug_hm
23:32.40bzdoug_I found one made by sonicblue
23:32.50patlabor221that's the RIO
23:32.56patlabor221friend of mine has one of those
23:32.59bzdoug_yea, only 11 bucks
23:33.29bzdoug_hm
23:33.34bzdoug_also plays WMA
23:34.38bzdoug_I like the scroll thingy on it
23:34.57bzdoug_also that mp3 player has a remote too...
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23:42.38Patlabor2211damnit
23:42.41Patlabor2211what was that doug?
23:43.04bzdoug_um
23:43.13bzdoug_also that mp3 player has a remote too...
23:43.31bzdoug_and its only 11 bucks
23:46.18Patlabor2211ahhh
23:46.22Patlabor2211where?
23:46.25bzdoug_ebay
23:46.29Patlabor2211ahhh
23:46.38Patlabor2211how long on the auction?
23:46.42bzdoug_1 day
23:46.48Patlabor2211not bad
23:46.53bzdoug_heres a 9 doller one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1944141550
23:47.32bzdoug_and das 11 dollah one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11024&item=1944116224&rd=1
23:47.42bzdoug_seems to be a nice one
23:48.37bzdoug_alot cheaper than those hardrive mp3 players
23:48.47bzdoug_and the 128 meg things are too small
23:49.28Patlabor2211the CD ones are cheaper
23:49.39Patlabor2211I want one that takes the 3" CDRs
23:49.44bzdoug_hehe
23:49.51bzdoug_but those cdroms are hard to get
23:50.02bzdoug_but that would be sweet
23:50.03bzdoug_:)
23:53.24BZFlaghttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1943680075 $56 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1944490834 $55 BuyItNow.
23:53.47bzdoug_203 avalible!
23:53.49bzdoug_sheeesh
23:54.03BZFlagthe zaurus can be an ogg player. ;-) but no cd.
23:54.37bzdoug_BZFlag: yea, but cant you hook a cdrom to it? or maybe mount a ogg collection over a wireless net?
23:54.55Patlabor2211that's like the one my frined has, she loves it.
23:55.05bzdoug_hmm
23:55.45bzdoug_I think my uncle has one too
23:56.35BZFlagI've done wireless nfs mounts to get mp3s. would work for ogg too.
23:57.01bzdoug_hmm, but not very portable, the wireless would drain the batterys
23:57.05BZFlagbzdoug_: there are quite a few available.
23:57.26BZFlagbzdoug_: yep it did. even faster than the 1G udrive did ;-)
23:57.27bzdoug_big as in those tall ones that vans have
23:57.30bzdoug_lol
23:58.47Patlabor2211they are only that large cus there's that much space
23:58.52Patlabor2211to fill
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23:59.05Patlabor2211and more shock resistnat stuff
23:59.09Patlabor2211and larger amps
23:59.12bzdoug_yea, but it would look silly to stick a tiny thing in there
23:59.30BZFlagdid I mention that I now have a daily cronjob on SF that backs up the wiki?
23:59.45bzdoug_BZFlag: nope
23:59.54BZFlagas long as the tarball grows in size if keeps like 7 copies. It stops deleting them if they shrink.

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