| 01:14.35 | fiberchunks | hey all, how can I take a screenshot of in-game action? |
| 01:14.51 | vogon | with an etch-a-sketch. |
| 01:14.51 | scanline | colored pencils |
| 01:15.07 | fiberchunks | har har |
| 01:15.20 | vogon | actually, there's a screenshot key somewhere. |
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| 01:15.29 | bzdougg | crayons |
| 01:15.42 | scanline | captain_proton: should JetCOW use 64-bit file pointers? :) |
| 01:15.43 | bzdougg | polariod |
| 01:15.56 | captain_proton | scanline: ummmm |
| 01:16.17 | captain_proton | scanline: i'm guessing that we're not going to have a >4gb sector file |
| 01:16.18 | vogon | F11. |
| 01:16.26 | captain_proton | F11 got stepped on by observer keys |
| 01:16.27 | scanline | :) |
| 01:16.34 | vogon | captain_proton: blargh. |
| 01:16.46 | bzdougg | F13 |
| 01:16.55 | fiberchunks | heh... |
| 01:17.22 | bzdougg | the key labeled "Print Scrn" |
| 01:17.44 | fiberchunks | k, thx |
| 01:18.25 | captain_proton | bzdougg: stop making things up |
| 01:21.34 | fiberchunks | well, is there any way to do it in 1.7e6? I'd really like to grab a couple |
| 01:21.52 | bzdougg | you could code one in |
| 01:21.53 | bzdougg | :) |
| 01:22.20 | bzdougg | patches welcome |
| 01:22.30 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: at this point it requires a little hacking and a client compile, then some image format conversion |
| 01:22.45 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: have you tried some external screenshot-grabber applications? |
| 01:23.06 | scanline | someone slap that jetstream NuppelWriter into BZFlag :) |
| 01:23.25 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 01:23.40 | vogon | I will, as soon as I find the bug in the OpenAL code. |
| 01:24.07 | vogon | which will require a person with a valgrind box. |
| 01:24.11 | vogon | who doesn't have an nVidia card. |
| 01:24.22 | scanline | vogon: LD_PRELOAD the XFree86 libGL |
| 01:24.24 | bzdougg | valgrind? |
| 01:24.32 | vogon | scanline: heh. I don't have it around. |
| 01:25.21 | vogon | warez! |
| 01:25.30 | scanline | open source warez is fun |
| 01:25.40 | bzdougg | yea... |
| 01:25.44 | bzdougg | if you say so |
| 01:27.14 | vogon | man, bzflag is going to be so fast under software Mesa and valgrind. |
| 01:27.25 | fiberchunks | captain_proton: ha, didn't even think of that -- what a twit - thank you |
| 01:29.55 | captain_proton | vogon: speedy little bugger isn't it? |
| 01:30.03 | vogon | captain_proton: whoa yeah. |
| 01:30.08 | vogon | woo. |
| 01:30.12 | vogon | found at least one bug. |
| 01:30.17 | bzdougg | yay |
| 01:30.35 | vogon | and several more inside OpenAL itself. |
| 01:32.20 | vogon | ooh, and more bugs in other parts of BZFlag. |
| 01:32.36 | bzdougg | bzflag is a bug |
| 01:34.04 | vogon | grr. |
| 01:34.13 | vogon | what fd does valgrind print its infotainment to? |
| 01:36.35 | vogon | whoo! |
| 01:36.37 | vogon | doesn't crash now. |
| 01:36.50 | bzdougg | thats no fun! |
| 01:36.50 | vogon | except on exit. |
| 01:36.54 | bzdougg | oh good |
| 01:36.55 | vogon | at which point, it crashes. |
| 01:37.04 | vogon | it also doesn't play sound right yet. |
| 01:37.12 | bzdougg | hrm |
| 01:37.15 | bzdougg | whats openal? |
| 01:37.24 | vogon | it's a spatialized 3D sound library. |
| 01:37.28 | vogon | think OpenGL. |
| 01:37.31 | vogon | but without the pretty pictures. |
| 01:37.36 | vogon | and noisier. |
| 01:37.36 | bzdougg | ah... |
| 01:37.46 | vogon | http://www.openal.org/home |
| 01:37.49 | bzdougg | cool |
| 01:38.11 | vogon | ==5183== Invalid read of size 1 |
| 01:38.12 | vogon | ==5183== at 0x405F759C: _dl_close (in /lib/libc-2.3.1.so) |
| 01:38.12 | vogon | ==5183== by 0x405F8011: (within /lib/libc-2.3.1.so) |
| 01:38.12 | vogon | ==5183== by 0x40009446: _dl_catch_error_internal (in /lib/ld-2.3.1.so) |
| 01:38.12 | vogon | ==5183== by 0x405F7F55: (within /lib/libc-2.3.1.so) |
| 01:38.13 | vogon | ==5183== Address 0x1E7 is not stack'd, malloc'd or free'd |
| 01:38.16 | vogon | go go dynamic linker go! |
| 01:38.28 | bzdougg | heh |
| 01:38.35 | scanline | increase your backtrace len, heh |
| 01:40.32 | vogon | scanline: only crashes when I LD_PRELOAD libGL.so. |
| 01:40.38 | scanline | ha |
| 01:40.40 | scanline | ok then |
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| 01:48.32 | vogon | hmm. |
| 01:48.35 | vogon | it's getting the commands. |
| 01:48.41 | vogon | it's just that the sounds all suck. |
| 02:25.14 | vogon | what is wrong with this piece of crap? |
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| 03:35.45 | MrApathyCream | everyone shoveling out? |
| 03:35.53 | bzdougg | ayup |
| 03:35.56 | bzdougg | all 1 inch of it |
| 03:36.09 | MrApathyCream | louisiana? |
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| 03:39.19 | bzdougg | um |
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| 04:09.50 | *** topic/#bzflag is Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || http://happypenguin.org/ - interview Dec 7th || someone set us up the glx |
| 04:09.51 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 04:21.23 | vogon | anyone mind pasting the contents of BzfMedia::openAudio() into a privmsg window for me? |
| 04:23.27 | vogon | err. |
| 04:23.31 | vogon | BzfMedia::doReadSound(). |
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| 04:32.01 | bzdougg | so..... lonely |
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| 04:34.09 | bzdougg | silly backup |
| 04:34.26 | bzdougg | it keeps my monitor alive.... but the freaking computer dies |
| 04:35.00 | MrApathyCream | too much snow? |
| 04:35.08 | bzdougg | no |
| 04:35.55 | bzdougg | even if I unplug the monitor from the UPS, it still dies |
| 04:36.01 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 04:36.05 | bzdougg | maybe... |
| 04:36.53 | bzdougg | humph, I could get a new backup on ebay for 20 bucks |
| 04:52.33 | MrApathyCream | Unhappy with my openal implementation? |
| 04:52.50 | vogon | no. |
| 04:54.35 | MrApathyCream | so you like it? |
| 04:54.52 | vogon | no. |
| 04:56.06 | vogon | hmm. |
| 04:56.10 | vogon | what's 4355 in base-16? |
| 04:58.24 | vogon | ibot: 1 * 4096 + 1 * 256 |
| 04:58.25 | | 4352 |
| 04:58.47 | vogon | blargh. |
| 04:58.58 | vogon | well, everything's loading right. |
| 04:59.02 | vogon | it's just not playing right. |
| 05:11.49 | vogon | yeah, I'm gonna pass on that one. |
| 05:12.14 | MrApathyCream | just lemme know, i've got the score to 'annie' down pat |
| 05:19.32 | MrApathyCream | from http://sigkill9.tripod.com/bzflag.html |
| 05:19.34 | MrApathyCream | Poor vogon_jeltz, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 22 times. |
| 05:19.34 | MrApathyCream | For example, like this: |
| 05:19.34 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton seems to be unliked too. He/She got beaten 17 times. |
| 05:19.51 | vogon | haha. |
| 05:20.31 | vogon | go me. |
| 05:28.26 | vogon | woohoo. |
| 05:28.31 | vogon | it was the OpenAL snapshot. |
| 05:28.41 | vogon | horribly, horribly broken. |
| 05:28.49 | MrApathyCream | release works, tho? |
| 05:28.54 | vogon | yeah. |
| 05:28.58 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:29.01 | vogon | (the one in Debian unstable.) |
| 05:29.02 | MrApathyCream | that stinks |
| 05:29.11 | MrApathyCream | that you wasted time, that is |
| 05:29.36 | vogon | heh. |
| 05:29.41 | vogon | I should've noticed it earlier. |
| 05:30.31 | MrApathyCream | nifty |
| 05:30.43 | vogon | hooray for alutLoadWAV(). |
| 05:31.19 | vogon | I cut the sound code from 1,600 lines to 300. |
| 05:31.44 | MrApathyCream | heh: http://www.captain-proton.com/ |
| 05:31.49 | MrApathyCream | nice |
| 05:32.58 | vogon | hmm. |
| 05:33.09 | vogon | it doesn't work with the sound code in a separate thread. |
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| 05:42.39 | vogon | well, hmm. |
| 05:42.41 | BZFlag | Statistics generated on Monday 7 October 2002 - 0:13:10 ? |
| 05:43.19 | MrApathyCream | yeah, don't get that either |
| 05:44.04 | vogon | anywho, it works. |
| 05:44.11 | vogon | as long as you compile with NO_AUDIO_THREAD. |
| 05:44.15 | MrApathyCream | ooof |
| 05:44.26 | vogon | but an audio thread isn't needed. |
| 05:44.31 | MrApathyCream | oh |
| 05:44.32 | vogon | as OpenAL creates its own thread. |
| 05:44.36 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 05:44.59 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: Why do we spray paint the grass green, for PZ? any other reason? |
| 05:45.02 | vogon | I need to figure out how to get Doppler shift to work, though. |
| 05:47.01 | vogon | const TimeKeeper& TimeKeeper::getSunExplodeTime() o_O |
| 05:47.29 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: huh? |
| 05:47.56 | MrApathyCream | vogon: for banning |
| 05:48.17 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: why do we set colors when apply ground texture, instead of just relying on texture colors |
| 05:48.38 | vogon | MrApathyCream: ahh. |
| 05:49.10 | BZFlag | chris liked the effect. I'm not attached to it, if there is a faster way that looks better I'm for it. |
| 05:49.29 | MrApathyCream | just it would be more flexible if we just used texture color |
| 05:49.42 | MrApathyCream | could put in a beach, or ice, or ... |
| 05:50.03 | vogon | hmm. |
| 05:50.55 | MrApathyCream | seems like there are 4 shades of green, not sure what they're all used for |
| 05:50.55 | BZFlag | I'd like to see the lasers be one greyscale image with color added. |
| 05:51.01 | MrApathyCream | yes. |
| 05:51.15 | BZFlag | or rather color subtracted. ;-) |
| 05:51.16 | MrApathyCream | that should be easy i spose |
| 05:51.59 | BZFlag | and we need the red/cyan stereo from 1.8 ;-) |
| 05:52.05 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:52.26 | MrApathyCream | btw, the larger fonts thing is goofy. |
| 05:52.44 | BZFlag | goofy == buggy? or goofy == odd looking? |
| 05:52.54 | MrApathyCream | inconsistent |
| 05:52.57 | MrApathyCream | on sec. |
| 05:53.39 | MrApathyCream | where'd i put those files.... |
| 05:54.21 | MrApathyCream | one pic is with opacity = 1 |
| 05:54.25 | MrApathyCream | one pic is with opacity < 1 |
| 05:54.36 | MrApathyCream | notice how the score board and message fonts don't match |
| 05:54.52 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, dcc trouble? |
| 05:55.17 | MrApathyCream | one sec... |
| 05:55.54 | MrApathyCream | posting to web site |
| 05:56.02 | MrApathyCream | 56k -- tick tock |
| 05:56.29 | vogon | grr. |
| 05:56.38 | MrApathyCream | http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/op1big.jpg |
| 05:56.46 | vogon | proton's bzedit 2.1 tarball is borken. |
| 05:56.58 | captain_proton | vogon: no, in fact, it is not |
| 05:57.00 | MrApathyCream | http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/oplt1big.jpg |
| 05:57.09 | vogon | captain_proton: then care to explain to me why depcomp doesn't run? |
| 05:57.33 | vogon | bash-2.05a$ make |
| 05:57.33 | vogon | Makefile:390: .deps/3dtypes.Po: No such file or directory |
| 05:57.34 | vogon | ... |
| 05:57.37 | vogon | make: *** No rule to make target `.deps/world.Po'. Stop. |
| 05:57.43 | captain_proton | vogon: your system is broken? |
| 05:58.01 | vogon | captain_proton: it's compiled thousands of things before. |
| 05:58.11 | BZFlag | the msg font is calculated based on lines in the msg area. |
| 05:58.18 | captain_proton | vogon: what system are you on? |
| 05:58.24 | scanline | Our pentium has divided thousands of numbers, why should it fail now! |
| 05:58.25 | BZFlag | the scoreboard if just based on screen size. |
| 05:58.25 | vogon | captain_proton: debian unstable. |
| 05:58.32 | captain_proton | pffff debian |
| 05:58.46 | BZFlag | so in o=1 msg area is bigger so font tries to be bigger too. |
| 05:58.55 | BZFlag | ~dstats |
| 05:59.06 | MrApathyCream | when op=1, scoreboard is tiny |
| 05:59.13 | MrApathyCream | when op=1, message is big |
| 05:59.20 | MrApathyCream | when op<1 scoreboard is big |
| 05:59.25 | MrApathyCream | when op<1 message is tiny |
| 05:59.43 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: that's true cause of what I just said. |
| 05:59.45 | MrApathyCream | Would thing when you choose big, both should be bigger |
| 05:59.50 | vogon | when 2<1 something is broken |
| 05:59.57 | BZFlag | o=1 msg area is bigger, 3d is smaller. |
| 06:00.09 | BZFlag | ~1+1 |
| 06:00.10 | | 1+1 is, like, 3 for large values of 1 |
| 06:00.11 | MrApathyCream | i think it should be based on x, not y |
| 06:00.48 | vogon | < vogon> nerf: (-1) ** (1/2) |
| 06:00.48 | vogon | < nerf> i |
| 06:01.49 | vogon | captain_proton: if it's so not broken, mind tarballing up .deps/*.Po and sending the tarball to me? |
| 06:02.33 | BZFlag | clearly scoreboard font should be bigger with big=y than with big=n. that should be fixed. |
| 06:02.41 | MrApathyCream | right |
| 06:02.43 | vogon | MrApathyCream: just net install. |
| 06:02.50 | MrApathyCream | hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 06:02.57 | BZFlag | it's true with o!=1 but needs fixing for o=1 |
| 06:03.12 | vogon | MrApathyCream: that's what I did. |
| 06:03.14 | captain_proton | vogon: net install over 2 cans w/ a string tied between them doesn't work too well |
| 06:03.15 | vogon | (56k.) |
| 06:03.36 | BZFlag | ~(-1) ** (1/2) |
| 06:03.36 | | nan |
| 06:04.54 | vogon | haha. |
| 06:05.00 | vogon | dude, it took 3 hours here. |
| 06:05.19 | vogon | granted, you have to download, like, everything after the initial install, but it works. |
| 06:05.31 | MrApathyCream | I gotta make sure the all the knots in my rope are gone |
| 06:06.13 | vogon | wimp. |
| 06:08.34 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: different kind of rack |
| 06:08.45 | MrApathyCream | dish? |
| 06:08.50 | MrApathyCream | tie? |
| 06:08.51 | vogon | haha. |
| 06:09.12 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: equipment |
| 06:09.53 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i own a number of ties |
| 06:10.08 | vogon | do any of them not clip on? |
| 06:10.15 | MrApathyCream | rofl |
| 06:10.26 | Patlabor221 | boob? |
| 06:10.27 | captain_proton | none of them clip on you fool |
| 06:10.37 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: try world cache yet? |
| 06:11.58 | vogon | hmm. |
| 06:12.17 | vogon | Openbox needs to give windows an always on top option. |
| 06:17.04 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: I didn't test it or add it yet, no. still meaning to get to it. |
| 06:26.48 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, can't specify +f bad or -f good |
| 06:44.05 | vogon | bases have the position, rotation, and size properties, right? |
| 06:44.15 | captain_proton | yeah, size is only 2d |
| 06:44.23 | vogon | ahh, OK. |
| 06:45.57 | vogon | hmm. |
| 06:47.30 | vogon | bzfs seems to be freezing when I run it with a custom CTF world and -fb. |
| 06:48.02 | vogon | bzfs.cxx:2737. |
| 06:48.10 | vogon | infinite loop. |
| 06:57.48 | vogon | MrApathyCream: meh. bug in the world file. |
| 06:57.57 | vogon | I think. |
| 06:58.00 | MrApathyCream | otay |
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| 07:06.58 | MrApathyCream | in 1.9e1 we should get rid of start server from bzflag |
| 07:07.28 | MrApathyCream | it's horribly out of date, and silly |
| 07:08.26 | vogon | dude, silliness == l33t. |
| 07:11.44 | vogon | I love the guilt trip that our local news station is laying on us. |
| 07:12.38 | vogon | "A 7-year-old girl with one eye and no legs killed 15 burglars, and gave her milk money to the local school so they could buy a new globe." |
| 07:14.59 | paul | killed 15 burglars? |
| 07:18.33 | MrApathyCream | vogon is exagerrating |
| 07:18.37 | MrApathyCream | it was 14 |
| 07:19.08 | vogon | yeah. |
| 07:19.19 | vogon | she clubbed them over the head with her leg stumps. |
| 07:20.14 | MrApathyCream | "bob" olympic gold swimmer and father of the girl, was very proud |
| 07:20.31 | vogon | yeah. |
| 07:20.57 | vogon | as was her mother Connie, famous neurosurgeon and UN weapons inspector. |
| 07:29.10 | MrApathyCream | BZFS: fprintf(stderr, "flags on boxes requires jumping\n"); |
| 07:29.18 | MrApathyCream | this isn't necessarily the case |
| 07:29.53 | vogon | well, there is the jumping flag. |
| 07:29.59 | vogon | but what if all the flags end up on top of boxes? |
| 07:30.04 | MrApathyCream | and teleporters! |
| 07:30.08 | vogon | ah, good point. |
| 07:31.07 | vogon | we could always hack up an algorithm to wall off any portions of the map that are unreachable. |
| 07:31.13 | vogon | (wall off from flag drops, that is.) |
| 07:31.26 | MrApathyCream | fez! |
| 07:33.30 | BZFlag | why is -t meaningless with custom worlds? |
| 07:33.43 | BZFlag | without -t I would expect the teleporters to no showup. |
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| 07:36.19 | MrApathyCream | not true |
| 07:36.19 | MrApathyCream | only random |
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| 07:58.14 | ak|ra | ibot ducati |
| 07:58.15 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 07:58.34 | ak|ra | how do i programm the ibot? |
| 07:59.52 | ak|ra | ah |
| 07:59.54 | ak|ra | the help |
| 07:59.55 | ak|ra | :) |
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| 08:59.46 | vogon | http://kcachegrind.sourceforge.net/screenshot2.html |
| 08:59.53 | vogon | that looks like the coolest thing ever. |
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| 09:12.17 | captain_proton | vogon: you know of any way i can see what the actual memory layout of a structure looks like? i'm not sure the compiler is doing what i want with it |
| 09:12.56 | ak|ra | :) |
| 09:12.58 | ak|ra | particles? |
| 09:13.07 | captain_proton | yeup |
| 09:13.15 | vogon | captain_proton: if you need the structure to be contiguous, #pragma pack(1). |
| 09:13.18 | captain_proton | but its drawing -really- strangely |
| 09:13.38 | vogon | on x86, GCC aligns on doubleword boundaries. |
| 09:13.42 | ak|ra | vogon: every compiler #pragma pack(1) ? |
| 09:13.58 | vogon | ak|ra: for gcc/g++ and vc++, I think, it works. |
| 09:14.03 | MrApathyCream | vc is ok |
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| 09:16.57 | bomber | moin |
| 09:22.11 | BZFlag | http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?BZFlag <- no, that's the coolest thing ever. ;-) |
| 09:23.22 | vogon | haha. |
| 09:23.26 | vogon | we've all seen that, Tim. |
| 09:23.41 | ak|ra | i only see a timeout |
| 09:24.12 | bomber | BZFlag has eaten 75 brains. Yours was hilariously spicy. |
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| 09:32.22 | captain_proton | WHY ISN'T IT DRAWING ANYTHING?!?! |
| 09:32.30 | ak|ra | capn :) |
| 09:33.00 | vogon | captain_proton: try compiling without defining DRAW_NOTHING. |
| 09:33.34 | vogon | captain_proton: this the starfox thing? |
| 09:34.33 | captain_proton | vogon: yeah |
| 09:34.47 | captain_proton | gee, why didn't i think of that |
| 09:35.39 | vogon | yeah. |
| 09:36.08 | vogon | phj34r my l33t debugging-fu. |
| 09:40.41 | captain_proton | i'd forgotten how damn good a song this is =) |
| 09:45.16 | captain_proton | vogon: fj33r the jetstream world file format :) |
| 09:46.08 | vogon | captain_proton: fj33r. |
| 09:46.28 | vogon | BZFlag: you need to get a Yahoo redirector and some Unicode wrapped around that thing. |
| 09:47.20 | bomber | has someone seen my brain...i need it to work |
| 09:49.50 | vogon | President Bush would argue otherwise. |
| 09:52.49 | BZFlag | vogon: huh? to do what? |
| 09:52.59 | vogon | BZFlag: you could fool more people that way. |
| 09:53.19 | vogon | only the ones who have had a healthy dose of paranoia shocked into them by goatse.cx would even bother to check. |
| 09:54.11 | captain_proton | dirty dirty dirty dirty\ |
| 09:55.05 | BZFlag | ahh, I see. nah, I didn't write it, I just use it. I may someday write one of my own and add redirectors around the net. ;-) |
| 09:55.15 | vogon | heh. |
| 09:55.17 | vogon | yeah, I know. |
| 09:55.22 | vogon | I have a username on brain.cgi. |
| 09:55.28 | vogon | vogon, I think. |
| 09:55.43 | vogon | but, still. |
| 09:55.50 | vogon | when you give the URL out, you can wrap it in redirects. |
| 09:56.03 | vogon | I'll show you an example. |
| 09:56.28 | vogon | pull up Yahoo! News. |
| 09:56.43 | vogon | grab an external link (to somewhere on http://rd.yahoo.com) from one of the stories. |
| 09:56.49 | vogon | for instance, |
| 09:56.51 | vogon | http://rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ap/ap_on_re_mi_ea/inlinks/*http://rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/manual/*http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?cs=nw&p=Saddam%20Hussein |
| 09:57.02 | vogon | remove the URL after the star and replace it with your own agenda. |
| 09:57.26 | vogon | e.g., http://rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ap/ap_on_re_mi_ea/inlinks/*http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?BZFlag. |
| 09:57.47 | vogon | and then obfuscate the URL however needed. |
| 09:58.07 | vogon | by nesting more redirects, converting hostnames to IP, and Unicode-escaping file and directory names. |
| 09:59.01 | vogon | captain_proton: wuss. |
| 09:59.44 | captain_proton | vogon: some of us actually have classes to attend |
| 09:59.56 | vogon | nerdy wuss. |
| 10:08.17 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/images/021124/img_0028.jpg |
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| 10:11.38 | vogon | ibot: 7 + 16 |
| 10:11.39 | | 23 |
| 10:12.11 | ak|ra | wanne have a portable c++ networking api .. any suggestions? |
| 10:12.53 | vogon | OpenNL was supposed to do that, but it never got off the ground. |
| 10:14.06 | ak|ra | it has no website :) |
| 10:14.21 | vogon | ak|ra: heh. |
| 10:14.31 | ak|ra | ptypes seems to work |
| 10:14.43 | vogon | ak|ra: its only Internet presence is in a CVS repository on icculus.org. |
| 10:14.47 | ak|ra | then there is a stdnet stuff out there |
| 10:17.08 | ak|ra | http://networkimprov.com/enitl/enitl.html |
| 10:18.10 | ak|ra | nope |
| 10:18.15 | ak|ra | forget that one |
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| 10:20.49 | bomber | moin p |
| 10:21.21 | bomber | sussudio: nice pictures :o) |
| 10:22.04 | sussudio | tnx |
| 10:22.13 | sussudio | lots of moss........ |
| 10:22.16 | prodan | guete morge b |
| 10:22.22 | sussudio | appearently it's eaten by BUNNIES |
| 10:22.37 | prodan | suss: you use debian? |
| 10:22.44 | sussudio | yeah, i use debian |
| 10:22.58 | prodan | know about enigmail plugin for mozilla 1.2? |
| 10:23.04 | sussudio | no |
| 10:23.49 | ak|ra | prodan: yes |
| 10:23.57 | ak|ra | prodan: works :) |
| 10:24.34 | prodan | wonderfull |
| 10:24.36 | prodan | how |
| 10:24.50 | ak|ra | get your gpg working? |
| 10:25.00 | prodan | ok |
| 10:25.06 | ak|ra | is it working? |
| 10:25.14 | prodan | i did a gpg --key-gen |
| 10:25.33 | ak|ra | passphrase etc? |
| 10:25.45 | prodan | yep with email, valid time etc |
| 10:25.57 | ak|ra | try to encrypt / decrypt some stuff first |
| 10:26.51 | prodan | ok |
| 10:27.22 | prodan | gpg -s works |
| 10:27.43 | prodan | which plugin do i install (i am using mozilla 1.2 deb from unstable) |
| 10:27.47 | ak|ra | so then the whole stuff should work |
| 10:27.59 | ak|ra | just the 0.7 enigmail |
| 10:28.09 | prodan | are you using unstable deb or own compiled moz? |
| 10:28.55 | ak|ra | i am using halfinstalled slackware with other half selfcompiled rest with a mixture of downloaded already compiled stuff |
| 10:29.11 | prodan | nice |
| 10:29.24 | ak|ra | http://enigmail.mozdev.org/download.html |
| 10:29.27 | ak|ra | just klick on install |
| 11:14.46 | vogon | according to kcachegrind, WorldInfo::rectHitCirc is taking up 0.85% of an average bzfs server's runtime. |
| 11:14.49 | vogon | this shall not stand. |
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| 12:44.55 | ak|ra | re |
| 12:45.41 | vogon | ak|ra. |
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| 12:53.54 | sussudio | :-P |
| 13:20.02 | Chestal | hmm, bzfs with world caching crashed |
| 13:25.10 | ak|ra | hehe |
| 13:26.27 | vogon | Chestal: that's because it's stamped with the Vogon Seal of Software Quality. |
| 13:26.45 | vogon | anything I touch immediately loses all of its redeeming qualities. |
| 13:26.57 | Chestal | well, back to cvs version for now |
| 13:26.58 | vogon | I'm like the anti-Midas. |
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| 15:05.19 | MrApathyCream | chestal, client crashed? |
| 15:09.22 | MrApathyCream | urg |
| 15:09.54 | MrApathyCream | dang linux, so unstable compared to win32 |
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| 15:16.49 | bzdougg | haha |
| 15:16.59 | bzdougg | MrApathyCream: only too true |
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| 15:38.40 | rooter | The ftp server for BZEdit for Windows is down |
| 15:45.56 | Chestal | MAC: no, the serevr crashed |
| 15:46.25 | Chestal | MAC: I connected with an e6 client several times, then went to another server and whenI came back, it crashed or had crashed before, I didn't do much testing |
| 15:46.37 | Chestal | MAC: there is a type mismatch which prevents compiling, btw. |
| 15:47.27 | Chestal | MAC: bzfs calls md5::update with unsigned char * where update expects just a char* |
| 15:48.05 | MrApathyCream | hmm, ok |
| 15:48.08 | Chestal | or maybe it was just a wrning, hmm, I think I saw a reference, but I am not sure anymore |
| 15:48.12 | MrApathyCream | this was a random world i assume? |
| 15:48.20 | Chestal | yes |
| 15:48.36 | MrApathyCream | and you expect it was a non cache client that caused the problem? |
| 15:48.47 | Chestal | I started it yesterday evening, when I came back today, it had crashes, then I tested it and after a few joins (see above) it crashed again |
| 15:48.54 | Chestal | yes |
| 15:49.11 | MrApathyCream | when you joined, you joined with caching client or not |
| 15:49.43 | Chestal | non-caching client |
| 15:49.46 | MrApathyCream | ok. |
| 15:50.04 | MrApathyCream | that's seem odd, then it must be the md5 calc, as that's all that it would do |
| 15:50.05 | Chestal | it worked at least two times, so it doesn't crash every time |
| 15:50.27 | MrApathyCream | whenever the world changes, anyway |
| 15:50.43 | Chestal | I changed the code to update((char*)WorldDatabase, but that's all I did |
| 15:50.48 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 15:51.15 | Chestal | as I was the only player, the server created a new world each time |
| 15:51.20 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 15:51.29 | MrApathyCream | must be md5 algo then i guess |
| 15:51.43 | MrApathyCream | addresss error crash i assume? |
| 15:52.04 | Chestal | hmm, what does the comment "small leak" mean? |
| 15:52.18 | MrApathyCream | ummm, forget, lemme check |
| 15:52.25 | Chestal | segfault, yes |
| 15:54.02 | MrApathyCream | ah hex_digest() returned a heap string |
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| 15:54.13 | MrApathyCream | (new) |
| 15:54.18 | ak|ra | re |
| 15:54.19 | MrApathyCream | i should fix that |
| 15:54.21 | MrApathyCream | re |
| 15:54.36 | Chestal | it should use auto_ptr then :-) |
| 15:55.10 | Chestal | but I guess we do not introduce anything using C++ features that are less than 5 years olf |
| 15:55.21 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 15:55.33 | bzdougg | there is a caching client? |
| 15:56.50 | bzdougg | for windows? |
| 15:56.55 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 15:57.02 | bzdougg | cool |
| 15:57.07 | bzdougg | could I have a copy? |
| 15:57.08 | MrApathyCream | hmmm worldDatabase is char* anyway |
| 15:57.10 | bzdougg | ;) |
| 15:57.13 | *** part/#bzflag ak|ra (~akira@pD9E47DC0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:58.00 | MrApathyCream | hmmm that's odd |
| 15:58.04 | MrApathyCream | in my md5.cxx |
| 15:58.07 | MrApathyCream | update is |
| 15:58.21 | MrApathyCream | void MD5::update (uint1 *input, uint4 input_length) { |
| 15:58.30 | sussudio | i have a problem with world caching. |
| 15:58.32 | Chestal | its overloaded |
| 15:58.36 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: is it possible that linux already had a md5.h? |
| 15:58.36 | Chestal | 3 or 4 versions I guess |
| 15:58.55 | Chestal | I hav elots of md5.h here :-) |
| 15:59.02 | bzdougg | how do I get the caching client? |
| 15:59.04 | Chestal | but I think it was using the one from bzflag/include/ |
| 15:59.07 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 15:59.14 | Chestal | bzdougg: by waitign for the e8 release |
| 15:59.16 | MrApathyCream | my point is that uint1 should be unsigned no? |
| 15:59.26 | Chestal | it doesn't call this funtion |
| 15:59.29 | bzdougg | bah |
| 15:59.33 | bzdougg | its not in CVS? |
| 15:59.35 | sussudio | i dont want people caching maps i made and using them from the cache to change them and stamp them as their own. |
| 15:59.37 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 15:59.37 | Chestal | hmm |
| 15:59.40 | Chestal | now I am confused |
| 15:59.46 | MrApathyCream | sussudio: they don't get the bzw |
| 15:59.52 | Chestal | it says void update (char *input, unsigned int input_length); |
| 15:59.54 | Chestal | in md5.h |
| 15:59.57 | bzdougg | sussudio: bummer, cuz its impossible to do that |
| 15:59.58 | sussudio | what then? |
| 16:00.03 | vogon | sussudio: they only get the internal representation of the map. |
| 16:00.11 | MrApathyCream | they get a binary |
| 16:00.13 | vogon | (or that's the way I heard it.) |
| 16:00.21 | vogon | they could theoretically hexedit it. |
| 16:00.23 | sussudio | how big do those binaries get? |
| 16:00.29 | MrApathyCream | not big |
| 16:00.33 | vogon | and then write a utility to dump it to a bzw. |
| 16:00.33 | bzdougg | sussudio: I can get the worlds from jzaun easy |
| 16:00.41 | vogon | sussudio: hundred K, maybe. |
| 16:00.56 | sussudio | bzdougg : i still didnt give you permission to use my maps. |
| 16:00.59 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: i don't have one that takes char* |
| 16:01.07 | MrApathyCream | lemme look on sf |
| 16:01.30 | Chestal | MAC: and I do not have one that takes uint |
| 16:01.45 | Chestal | MAC: I downloaded md5.cxx and md5.h along with the patch |
| 16:01.48 | bzdougg | MrApathyCream: you have one compiled for windows? |
| 16:01.54 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 16:02.00 | sussudio | jzaun is messed up anyway. since the rootkit, the map launching doesnt work anymore and newer maps are never launched on the default server. |
| 16:02.08 | bzdougg | kewl |
| 16:02.15 | vogon | sussudio: odds are that people won't bother to reconstitute a map. |
| 16:02.17 | MrApathyCream | hmmm |
| 16:02.20 | bzdougg | sussudio: quack |
| 16:02.26 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: seems like the ones on sf are fubar |
| 16:02.32 | MrApathyCream | lemme repost |
| 16:02.52 | bzdougg | caching worlds needs the server to help too, no? |
| 16:02.56 | Chestal | yes |
| 16:03.00 | vogon | bzdougg: yeah. |
| 16:03.09 | bzdougg | hrm |
| 16:03.12 | vogon | bzdougg: it sends an MD5 hash of the internal representation of the map. |
| 16:03.15 | bzdougg | k |
| 16:03.23 | vogon | bzdougg: if it matches one on the local side, then the client doesn't ask for a map. |
| 16:03.36 | vogon | (and instead loads it from file.) |
| 16:04.31 | vogon | (or, at least, that's the way I remember it working when I first implemented the networking end of it.) |
| 16:04.32 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: new md5.h and md5.cxx on sf |
| 16:04.53 | scanline | vogon: do you convert it to network byte order before md5'ing? |
| 16:05.03 | vogon | scanline: yeah. |
| 16:05.12 | MrApathyCream | wouldn't matter |
| 16:05.17 | vogon | (at least, that is the way I remember it.) |
| 16:05.22 | MrApathyCream | client doesn't do an md5 |
| 16:05.28 | MrApathyCream | the filename is just the md5 digest |
| 16:05.55 | vogon | and you get the filename with a sprintf("%llx%llx%llx%llx")? |
| 16:05.57 | Chestal | MAC: confused, what's the prototype of your update function? |
| 16:06.05 | MrApathyCream | ummm |
| 16:06.30 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.40 | MrApathyCream | hmm, tho in cxx it's uint1 |
| 16:06.46 | MrApathyCream | same thing, just funny |
| 16:07.07 | Chestal | hmm, not it is here, too |
| 16:08.57 | vogon | then again, if Intel made sense, they'd move all the flags into CR0. |
| 16:09.56 | Chestal | ok, ducati 5155 iw now running patches version |
| 16:10.33 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 16:10.39 | bzdougg | could I test it? |
| 16:10.49 | MrApathyCream | hit it with regular client |
| 16:10.58 | bzdougg | which ducati? |
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| 16:11.18 | bzdougg | oh |
| 16:11.24 | bzdougg | 'lo Patlabor221 |
| 16:12.56 | bzdougg | seems to work |
| 16:13.08 | bzdougg | MrApathyCream: care to share your client? |
| 16:13.15 | bzdougg | MrApathyCream: ;) |
| 16:13.49 | bzdougg | oh great, grandparents are asking what I want for x-mas, and I said mp3 player... |
| 16:13.56 | bzdougg | "whats a mp3 player?" |
| 16:15.14 | bzdougg | hmm, hard drives are nearly 1 buck a gig |
| 16:15.36 | bzdougg | amazing, my dad remembers when it cost 1000 bucks for a 10 meg drive |
| 16:17.18 | vogon | MrApathyCream: did she use it as a coffee table? |
| 16:17.28 | MrApathyCream | does so now! |
| 16:17.37 | vogon | haha. |
| 16:17.48 | MrApathyCream | that was back when we were middle aged tho |
| 16:17.48 | Chestal | hmm, my odl client crashes |
| 16:17.55 | Chestal | guess it doesn't liek my world :-) |
| 16:17.57 | MrApathyCream | old? |
| 16:18.00 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 16:18.06 | bzdougg | uh huh |
| 16:18.08 | Chestal | well, e6 basically |
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| 16:18.23 | bzdougg | MrApathyCream: now you can get a 1000 meg for 10 bucks easy |
| 16:18.30 | MrsApathyCream | hello dear |
| 16:18.36 | MrApathyCream | "what the hey are you boys doing all the time, get off the dang computer and do some work!" |
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| 16:18.45 | MrApathyCream | --<MrsApathyCream> |
| 16:18.48 | bzdougg | lol |
| 16:20.16 | bzdougg | whats something under 50 thats really cool, electronic, and a neat gadget? |
| 16:20.52 | bzdougg | MrApathyCream: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2076440271 |
| 16:20.55 | sussudio | a tazer. |
| 16:21.02 | bzdougg | sussudio: . |
| 16:21.15 | bzdougg | sussudio: explain more about a tazer |
| 16:21.29 | Chestal | MAC: ok, world is up |
| 16:21.30 | sussudio | it's like a cowprod for annoying people. |
| 16:21.33 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 16:21.36 | bzdougg | ah |
| 16:22.09 | vogon | it incapacitates them temporarily. |
| 16:22.16 | vogon | so that you can steal their wallet. |
| 16:22.20 | sussudio | depends on the voltage. |
| 16:22.32 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 16:22.46 | vogon | sussudio: only losers buy the wuss tazers. |
| 16:22.48 | sussudio | hello. |
| 16:22.59 | sussudio | uncle leo. |
| 16:23.16 | bzdougg | vogon: hrm |
| 16:23.28 | sussudio | remember that newsradio episode with the tazer joe made? |
| 16:23.33 | vogon | nope. |
| 16:23.47 | vogon | haven't seen newsradio for a while. |
| 16:23.50 | MrApathyCream | 40 seconds, vs about 2 |
| 16:23.59 | sussudio | "it looks like a garagedoor opener". "that's because it is a modified garage door opener" |
| 16:24.07 | sussudio | and then bill tried it out on himself |
| 16:24.15 | MrApathyCream | cheatal: work for you? |
| 16:24.16 | vogon | hahaha. |
| 16:24.18 | bzdougg | MrApathyCream: sweet |
| 16:24.54 | bzdougg | "Yes, another gripping tale from sussudio, every thursday, dont miss it" |
| 16:25.19 | sussudio | jimmy james has fancy plans! and pants to match! |
| 16:25.32 | bzdougg | jimmy neutron! |
| 16:26.19 | sussudio | i have a wd 80 gb |
| 16:26.45 | sussudio | people who say 7200 rpm drives get hot lie |
| 16:26.51 | bzdougg | oh? |
| 16:26.53 | sussudio | this wd800bb doesnt even get warm |
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| 16:27.01 | sussudio | and it's silent too |
| 16:27.12 | sussudio | maybe those people all have maxtors :-P |
| 16:27.18 | ak|ra | re |
| 16:27.19 | bzdougg | I dont mind if its hot/noisy/silent/cool/uses 10 amps of power/etc |
| 16:27.27 | bzdougg | I have a 40 maxtor drive |
| 16:27.32 | bzdougg | runs fine |
| 16:27.34 | sussudio | blah |
| 16:28.02 | sussudio | http://www.storagereview.com/ |
| 16:28.51 | vogon | damn commies and their "gibibytes". |
| 16:29.18 | bzdougg | heh |
| 16:29.25 | bzdougg | commieball = soccer |
| 16:29.39 | vogon | heh. |
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| 16:30.29 | bzdougg | 'lo BZFag |
| 16:30.53 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o BZFlag] by ChanServ |
| 16:30.55 | sussudio | bzfag? |
| 16:31.08 | bzdougg | whoops |
| 16:31.21 | vogon | haha. |
| 16:31.26 | sussudio | =:-B |
| 16:31.38 | sussudio | kick bzdog |
| 16:31.39 | bzdougg | 8-B |
| 16:31.44 | bzdougg | woof |
| 16:32.07 | Chestal | mac: no crash yet |
| 16:32.16 | bzdougg | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2077956569 |
| 16:33.24 | MrApathyCream | kul |
| 16:33.41 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: i put another patch up on sf that fixes the 'small leak' |
| 16:33.54 | sussudio | doug wetting his pants? |
| 16:34.45 | Chestal | MAC: there's a small glitvh in playing.cxx, line 3447, sprintf used %d, but cachelimit is a long |
| 16:34.59 | Chestal | I don't know, why it has to be a long though |
| 16:35.43 | MrApathyCream | checking... |
| 16:35.57 | ak|ra | evil hackers at work ... |
| 16:36.26 | Chestal | hmm, makeworld takes o.26s uncached... |
| 16:36.27 | MrApathyCream | ah, yes, i have ltoa originally, but cappy changed it |
| 16:37.23 | Chestal | is the cache limit in byte? |
| 16:37.24 | bzdougg | sooo, will e8 be out today? |
| 16:37.32 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: yes |
| 16:37.36 | Chestal | no, xmas release :-) |
| 16:37.41 | bzdougg | grr |
| 16:37.42 | MrApathyCream | bzdougg: you have to wait for santa |
| 16:37.52 | Chestal | a typical int should give us 2GB of cache then |
| 16:37.53 | MrApathyCream | bzdougg: and only if your a good boy |
| 16:37.54 | Patlabor221 | you mean I will finaly get to use the new installer :) |
| 16:38.04 | Chestal | long andint is the same on the most popular platforms anyway |
| 16:38.07 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: hopefully |
| 16:38.15 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: ok, changing |
| 16:39.52 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: is the installer script on sf? |
| 16:40.20 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 16:40.46 | MrApathyCream | it's more likely that we would use it, if it was ;) |
| 16:40.49 | Patlabor221 | let me give it to you doyou can |
| 16:41.24 | Chestal | MAC: seems to work, my client needs a lotof time to actually build the internaldata structures or whatever for the world though |
| 16:41.42 | Chestal | about 0.2s of data tranfser (uncached) and >8s for building the world |
| 16:41.42 | MrApathyCream | your local so network time isn't an issue |
| 16:41.53 | Chestal | when cached it's about 0.002s for transfer and >8s for the rest :-) |
| 16:41.57 | MrApathyCream | big deal for us 56k-ers |
| 16:42.04 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 16:42.04 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/bz/windowsinstaler.zip |
| 16:42.20 | Patlabor221 | just put those 3 files in the package/win32 folder |
| 16:42.31 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 16:42.42 | Chestal | hmm, why doesn't my server die on SIGINT |
| 16:42.47 | Patlabor221 | that's all it needs, |
| 16:42.58 | Patlabor221 | well that and the HTML docs in the doc folder |
| 16:43.25 | Chestal | hmm, strange I had to SIGKILL it |
| 16:43.37 | bzdougg | Chestal: ITS ALIVE!!!! |
| 16:43.41 | MrApathyCream | *robust* |
| 16:43.42 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 16:43.56 | bzdougg | heh |
| 16:44.52 | Chestal | somethign is wrong here |
| 16:45.15 | bzdougg | sprouted legs and walked off? |
| 16:46.33 | Chestal | serevr lsit down? |
| 16:46.49 | bzdougg | you broke it. |
| 16:47.31 | *** part/#bzflag bomber (~bomber@ap97.physik.uni-frankfurt.de) |
| 16:47.51 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@209.195.250.174) |
| 16:48.06 | MrApathyCream | hmm: xchat crash |
| 16:48.26 | bzdougg | bwuahahaha |
| 16:51.12 | Chestal | no more warnings |
| 16:52.00 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 16:52.10 | MrApathyCream | brb, phone call |
| 16:52.40 | Chestal | getting bold now, running both ducatis with new code |
| 16:53.11 | bzdougg | grrr |
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| 16:53.29 | *** part/#bzflag temporal (o_0@ACB61F0A.ipt.aol.com) |
| 16:53.32 | bzdougg | silly thing, cant delete a file, says its in use, even though I rebooted |
| 16:54.57 | bzdougg | grr |
| 16:55.04 | bzdougg | whats usin the file |
| 16:55.33 | *** join/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@d5113217.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 16:56.37 | bzdougg | hmmm |
| 16:56.48 | bzdougg | explorer is usin 100% cpu power |
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| 17:01.56 | Chestal | hmm, I wonder whether I should make some changes tothe randomworld generation in FFA mode |
| 17:03.20 | MrApathyCream | ibot, ffa? |
| 17:03.21 | | it has been said that ffa is ffa stands for free for all |
| 17:03.49 | bzdougg | ~ffa is also not CTF |
| 17:03.50 | | okay, bzdougg |
| 17:04.28 | Chestal | for CTF randomworlds the number of buildings varies |
| 17:04.33 | Chestal | for FFA it's a fixed number |
| 17:04.36 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 17:04.49 | bzdougg | Chestal: oh? |
| 17:05.10 | MrApathyCream | ffa -j could add floaters, too |
| 17:05.18 | MrApathyCream | and tele's in air |
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| 17:05.20 | MrApathyCream | etc |
| 17:05.25 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~Patlabor2@gibbscam.com) |
| 17:05.28 | Patlabor221 | opps |
| 17:05.36 | bzdougg | MrApathyCream: random? like platforms? |
| 17:05.37 | Chestal | I guess you would want to have control oder lots of parameters |
| 17:05.58 | Chestal | bzfs needs more options anyway :-) |
| 17:06.37 | MrApathyCream | bzdougg: yes |
| 17:06.41 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: heh |
| 17:06.43 | Chestal | did bzflag state his opinion on the tank labels yet? |
| 17:06.55 | MrApathyCream | I didn't get a sense one way of the other |
| 17:07.02 | MrApathyCream | i like em |
| 17:07.15 | MrApathyCream | erg. |
| 17:07.17 | MrApathyCream | cvs [add aborted]: there is no version here; do 'cvs checkout' first |
| 17:07.23 | Chestal | maybe he'll be here and alive later |
| 17:07.35 | bzdougg | ~seen BZFlag |
| 17:07.41 | | bzflag is currently on #uclibc (37m 22s) #tuxscreen (37m 22s) #zaurus (37m 22s) #elinux (37m 22s) #handhelds.org (37m 22s) #utah (37m 22s) #bzflag (37m 22s) #openzaurus (37m 22s) |
| 17:07.44 | ak|ra | MrApathyCream: the only thing i dont like on the labels is the gluproject routine :) |
| 17:07.52 | bzdougg | wow |
| 17:08.07 | bzdougg | ~ergstats |
| 17:08.08 | | bzdougg: I give up, what is it? |
| 17:08.37 | Patlabor221 | can someone anwser a DNS question for me? |
| 17:08.47 | sussudio | what's a dns question? |
| 17:08.51 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 17:09.03 | Patlabor221 | a question about DNS servers |
| 17:09.03 | Chestal | things to do/discuss for e8: font/HUD/view sizes, tank labels, some work on timed games,/countdown command and then 2 weeks or soof testing |
| 17:09.10 | Chestal | IMHO of course :-) |
| 17:09.28 | sussudio | flag-on-radar toggle :-| |
| 17:09.31 | Chestal | there are still some known bugs, but I don't know if anyone will find the time and energy to hunt them down |
| 17:09.44 | MrApathyCream | i'd really like -tkkr, the peeps seem to clamour for a solution |
| 17:10.00 | Chestal | when should it kick? |
| 17:10.16 | MrApathyCream | based on ratio of kills to team kills |
| 17:10.20 | Chestal | I had games where I started with 3 teamkills :-) |
| 17:10.21 | MrApathyCream | configurable by admin |
| 17:10.39 | MrApathyCream | yes there's a startup grace period already |
| 17:11.29 | Chestal | does the md5 code have the same license as the rest of bzflag? |
| 17:11.46 | MrApathyCream | good question |
| 17:12.49 | Chestal | there's some stuff in the header of the files |
| 17:13.07 | Chestal | our bzflag attorney should read them |
| 17:13.11 | bzdougg | OOOHH! |
| 17:13.22 | bzdougg | now MY computer wont delete this stupid file |
| 17:13.56 | Patlabor221 | # of users wise, how large of a server would I be able to run on a T1? |
| 17:14.04 | MrApathyCream | his honorable Tim? |
| 17:14.29 | sussudio | Patlabor221 : dialup users? |
| 17:14.55 | Patlabor221 | do broadband uses take more bandwith |
| 17:15.02 | sussudio | umm.yes. |
| 17:15.08 | Patlabor221 | how much bandwith does bz use in it's optimal state? |
| 17:15.27 | Patlabor221 | that means it fully saturates a dialup, that sucks |
| 17:15.27 | Chestal | define 'optimal state' |
| 17:15.30 | sussudio | 56k per user probably |
| 17:15.46 | Patlabor221 | lets say average game |
| 17:15.52 | sussudio | 25 users would probably saturate a T1 |
| 17:15.58 | Patlabor221 | ouch |
| 17:16.02 | Chestal | that's complex |
| 17:16.19 | Chestal | first, we must defien which traffic we talk about |
| 17:16.27 | Chestal | c-> c<- s-> or s<- |
| 17:16.46 | Chestal | s-> will be by far the biggest |
| 17:17.25 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: added |
| 17:18.23 | Patlabor221 | yes I think server out will be largest |
| 17:20.51 | Chestal | I used tomeaure it for ducati a long time ago |
| 17:21.13 | Chestal | with 8 players all active server upstream migh tbe about 60kbytes/s |
| 17:21.35 | Patlabor221 | that's not to bad |
| 17:21.36 | Chestal | increases quickly with more players, but depends on the players' activity |
| 17:21.53 | Chestal | more shots will increase traffic, too, of course |
| 17:22.05 | Chestal | but most of it is position updates |
| 17:22.11 | Patlabor221 | well no 100 shot server here |
| 17:22.24 | Chestal | each cleint will send at least 1 update/s |
| 17:22.39 | Chestal | startign with e6 there's an upper limit of 30 updates/s |
| 17:23.18 | Patlabor221 | well I'm hoping this to be an e8 test server |
| 17:23.29 | Chestal | when we assume an avererage of 10updates/s forall players, serevr will have to send 10*p*(p-1) update packets |
| 17:24.10 | BZFlag | tank labels needs a menu item |
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| 17:24.23 | Chestal | with 8 players that's 560 packets, so when we assume a packet with all header to be about 100 bytes, we'd have 56kb/s |
| 17:24.34 | Chestal | bzflag: there's a key to toggle |
| 17:25.24 | Chestal | we could alsomake this a mneu item of course, don't know |
| 17:25.44 | Chestal | some peopel(well, actualyl only akira so far :-) would prefer white text instead of team colours |
| 17:26.14 | Patlabor221 | I should be able to register a domain name, have it point to a static IP, and run my own DNS server here right? |
| 17:26.42 | MrApathyCream | s/b in the key mapping screen |
| 17:27.01 | BZFlag | yeah, menu item as well. |
| 17:27.18 | BZFlag | msg area is messed up with o=1 and view=three |
| 17:27.48 | BZFlag | Chestal: could be based off shotcolor menu switch, yes? |
| 17:28.27 | BZFlag | labels don't work in view=three |
| 17:28.40 | Chestal | hmm, I never really tried the other views |
| 17:28.54 | Chestal | Idon't think anyone used them, what is view=3 supposed to do? front, left and right? |
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| 17:29.13 | BZFlag | well, I like it, so submitting to CVS, we'll fix things there k? |
| 17:29.19 | Chestal | hmm, copling with shot colour is not good IMHO, I liek white shots and coloured labels |
| 17:29.29 | Chestal | ok |
| 17:29.39 | BZFlag | though, why all the renderer-getwindow removals? |
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| 17:29.55 | Chestal | uhm, where? |
| 17:30.12 | BZFlag | if they are going to go, (and they probably should) then renderer should no longer be a parameter to all the funcions. |
| 17:30.30 | BZFlag | HUDRenderer::renderAlerts(SceneRenderer& renderer) etc. |
| 17:31.02 | Chestal | Idon't really remember |
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| 17:31.21 | Chestal | I think I changed some calls to use a memebr variable which was already there in the first place |
| 17:31.34 | Chestal | sometimes the member variable wa used, sometimes the coed was using a call to get the same |
| 17:31.47 | BZFlag | you should have removed the parameter as well. |
| 17:32.07 | Chestal | renderer is passed around a lot |
| 17:32.15 | Chestal | I guess it's a Singelton anyway? |
| 17:32.23 | BZFlag | yep. |
| 17:32.52 | Chestal | with view=three, are there more than one instance of hud,controlpanel, radar? |
| 17:33.14 | BZFlag | don't think so, no. |
| 17:33.27 | BZFlag | they only show in the front view. |
| 17:33.46 | Chestal | and more than one MainWindow object? |
| 17:35.10 | Chestal | BZFlag: I'm running ducati with the worldcache patch now, let's see if it works ok. Of course there are nearly none worldcaching clients out there yet... |
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| 17:35.53 | sussudio | how fast is a via elan with 800mhz cpu compared to an athlon? about the same? |
| 17:36.00 | bzdougg | sooooo wierd |
| 17:37.22 | bzdougg | a what? |
| 17:38.56 | sussudio | mobo with a via eden cpu |
| 17:39.04 | bzdougg | oh |
| 17:39.14 | sussudio | i think the 500mhz doesnt need a cpu fan |
| 17:39.33 | bzdougg | oh? |
| 17:39.53 | sussudio | and you dont need to buy a mobo + cpu ofcourse.......... |
| 17:40.22 | sussudio | the noise in here is kinda driving me bonkers |
| 17:40.40 | bzdougg | gee, what tipped you off? |
| 17:41.06 | sussudio | probably the 1.2GB quantum whine |
| 17:41.13 | bzdougg | sheesh |
| 17:41.20 | bzdougg | what do you use a 1 gig drive for? |
| 17:41.21 | sussudio | weeee zeeee weeee zeee weeee zeee |
| 17:41.30 | sussudio | leeeenox |
| 17:41.39 | sussudio | it isnt even full :-| |
| 17:42.06 | bzdougg | Patlabor221: how about bzflag-free-free-get-it-here-now-download-editor-cheats-codes-stuff.com |
| 17:42.15 | bzdougg | sussudio: hrm |
| 17:42.32 | Patlabor221 | I can get SackOMonkeys.com |
| 17:42.47 | sussudio | i replaced a quantum in 1 pc with a more silent seagate. the damn thing crashed. |
| 17:42.49 | bzdougg | how about stinking garbage? |
| 17:42.55 | bzdougg | sussudio: heh |
| 17:43.05 | sussudio | seagate suxors |
| 17:43.35 | sussudio | ~kill get and set crap |
| 17:43.36 | | sussudio: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 17:43.47 | sussudio | snort. |
| 17:43.53 | bzdougg | ~grep get and set crap |
| 17:43.53 | | bzdougg: i don't know |
| 17:44.50 | Chestal | BZFlag: hmm? Replace it by what? |
| 17:45.01 | bzdougg | Chestal: space |
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| 17:45.33 | BZFlag | just access the members and be done with it. |
| 17:45.55 | BZFlag | what's the sence in making a variable private and then puting public get/set interfaces to it? |
| 17:46.01 | BZFlag | er sense |
| 17:46.39 | Chestal | well, you can ad additional code ifthe need arises in the get and set methods |
| 17:47.13 | Chestal | IMHOit's ok that way, the only downside is that you have to type a little more when accessing the variable |
| 17:47.25 | BZFlag | yeah, and you can with your editor as well. this _is_ and open source project after all. |
| 17:48.10 | Chestal | what I mean is: SetX(y) means: set property X to y, this could have additional side effects |
| 17:48.12 | BZFlag | now I don't have a problem with get*() only access as the language does not support that. |
| 17:48.32 | BZFlag | Chestal: if/when it does have side effects, then convert it to get/set. |
| 17:48.36 | Chestal | it does, you could have a const variable |
| 17:48.48 | Chestal | but then you have to change each call |
| 17:49.03 | Chestal | the simepl get/setter should be inline in the header file, though |
| 17:49.04 | BZFlag | so what? search and replace the source. not a bug deal. |
| 17:49.13 | Chestal | or we will have a small performance hit |
| 17:49.53 | BZFlag | const.. I mean a variable that the class can modify but others can just read. |
| 17:50.00 | bzdougg | bah |
| 17:50.03 | Chestal | well, I don't have strogn feelings about this, I just adjusted to what was there in the begining |
| 17:50.11 | bzdougg | this audio is soooo messed up |
| 17:50.45 | Chestal | and I don't think it makes much sense to change it now for e8, these things might undergo a bigger change for the next big release Iguess |
| 17:50.53 | BZFlag | one of these days I'm going to covert all of the simple get/set to variable accesses. |
| 17:51.12 | BZFlag | labels in cvs now. thanx! |
| 17:52.02 | Chestal | hmm, you could have a non-const private variable and a public const reference to it :-) |
| 17:52.17 | Chestal | that way, only the class could modify the variable |
| 17:53.55 | Chestal | regarding the font sizes: I thinkthe current version is bug-free, but it could probably be improved |
| 17:56.20 | MrApathyCream | sometimes fonts are bigger when small, then when set to big |
| 17:56.53 | Chestal | we have too many keys now, the help page displaying the keys takes up too much vertical space here |
| 17:57.03 | Chestal | MAC: hmm, I don't think so |
| 17:57.29 | Chestal | it can happen that they do not change their visual size when switching |
| 17:57.34 | Chestal | but they cannot get smaller |
| 17:57.57 | Chestal | this would only be possible if the other font type looks smaller at a bigger size |
| 17:59.11 | MrApathyCream | yeah, your right |
| 17:59.13 | MrApathyCream | sorry. |
| 17:59.19 | MrApathyCream | but it still is messed up imo |
| 17:59.30 | MrApathyCream | sometimes the scoreboard is huge |
| 17:59.34 | MrApathyCream | sometimes the message area is huge |
| 17:59.38 | MrApathyCream | but not at the same tiem |
| 17:59.48 | MrApathyCream | needs to be based on x size, not y |
| 18:00.00 | Chestal | that is because the soreboard looks at y-size of 3D and message are at y-size of control panel |
| 18:00.08 | Chestal | would probably make more sense |
| 18:00.16 | Chestal | right now the message area tries to fit in a certain number of lines |
| 18:00.38 | Chestal | but I woudl also vote for all font sizes to depend on horizontal res |
| 18:03.15 | bzdougg | quack |
| 18:04.24 | MrApathyCream | croissants are nice this time of day |
| 18:04.40 | Chestal | hmm, good idea, but I will postpone that to tomorrow morning |
| 18:04.54 | scanline | holy cheese, still talking about the font sizes bug? :) |
| 18:05.14 | MrApathyCream | but i'm not pestering captain_proton about world cache cleanup!!!! :) |
| 18:05.17 | bzdougg | scanline: you fix it then |
| 18:05.30 | bzdougg | then dont complain |
| 18:05.35 | MrApathyCream | you're so apathetic ;) |
| 18:05.41 | scanline | I wasn't complaining.. just surprised |
| 18:05.46 | bzdougg | heres some cream |
| 18:05.51 | bzdougg | scanline: ah |
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| 18:19.59 | captain_proton | bum bum bum bada bum |
| 18:20.36 | Patlabor221 | there is cap |
| 18:20.49 | bzdougg | I have a cap |
| 18:27.13 | MrApathyCream | cappy wc on ducati |
| 18:27.19 | captain_proton | wc? |
| 18:27.24 | bzdougg | wc. |
| 18:27.25 | captain_proton | ohh world cache |
| 18:27.50 | bzdougg | MrApathyCream: how do you apply patches to source in windows? |
| 18:27.58 | Patlabor221 | cygwin |
| 18:28.08 | bzdougg | ick |
| 18:28.12 | bzdougg | any other way? |
| 18:28.18 | Patlabor221 | manualy |
| 18:28.19 | bzdougg | there MUST be another way |
| 18:28.22 | bzdougg | bah |
| 18:28.37 | Patlabor221 | you need a utill that can merge a diff |
| 18:29.01 | bzdougg | cant anyone port a leeenox program over? |
| 18:29.19 | Patlabor221 | that's what cygwin is |
| 18:29.36 | bzdougg | thats over kill |
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| 18:30.47 | Patlabor221 | well look for a differ then |
| 18:32.42 | MrApathyCream | no cygwin |
| 18:32.48 | MrApathyCream | just patch |
| 18:32.56 | bzdougg | MrApathyCream? |
| 18:32.58 | MrApathyCream | d/l unixutils from sf |
| 18:33.04 | bzdougg | ah |
| 18:33.07 | Patlabor221 | ahhh that's cool |
| 18:33.08 | bzdougg | does it work? |
| 18:33.14 | MrApathyCream | perfect |
| 18:33.14 | bzdougg | fully? |
| 18:33.26 | bzdougg | could you give me the correct command line? |
| 18:34.00 | MrApathyCream | patch -p0 -i patchfile -d directory |
| 18:34.09 | bzdougg | kewl |
| 18:34.31 | bzdougg | thanks |
| 18:35.25 | bzdougg | ok ok.... |
| 18:35.42 | bzdougg | did a search for unixutils and download |
| 18:35.46 | bzdougg | came up with.... |
| 18:35.50 | bzdougg | http://pub33.ezboard.com/fbzflagfrm2.showMessage?topicID=235.topic |
| 18:38.19 | MrApathyCream | diff file MUST have windows line endings, or you'll get strange error messsages |
| 18:38.26 | bzdougg | hm |
| 18:38.35 | bzdougg | do you have a fixed diff file? |
| 18:38.43 | bzdougg | and what source did you use? |
| 18:38.48 | MrApathyCream | just use editpad |
| 18:38.48 | bzdougg | and where is the diff file? |
| 18:39.39 | MrApathyCream | http://www.editpadpro.com/editpadlite.html |
| 18:39.52 | MrApathyCream | diff file is on sf, under patches "colin bayer's world catch patch |
| 18:39.57 | bzdougg | k |
| 18:40.03 | bzdougg | bzflag.org is slooow |
| 18:40.07 | bzdougg | and the source? |
| 18:40.08 | bzdougg | CVS? |
| 18:40.13 | bzdougg | or e6? |
| 18:40.18 | MrApathyCream | cvs co -r v1_7 bzflag |
| 18:40.35 | MrApathyCream | get cvs from cvshome.org |
| 18:40.35 | bzdougg | I hope unixutils has cvs too? |
| 18:40.55 | bzdougg | sf is soooo slow today |
| 18:41.15 | bzdougg | how does one patch a binary? |
| 18:41.42 | bzdougg | World cache directory is now cleaned up on *nix thanks to |
| 18:41.42 | bzdougg | captain_santa |
| 18:41.57 | Patlabor221 | there are binary pathechers |
| 18:42.04 | Patlabor221 | but they are "interesting" |
| 18:42.04 | bzdougg | ah |
| 18:42.08 | bzdougg | do they work? |
| 18:42.12 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 18:42.13 | MrApathyCream | one doesn't patch a binary |
| 18:42.16 | bzdougg | like how does microsoft patch windows? |
| 18:42.24 | Patlabor221 | MS replaces DLLs |
| 18:42.28 | bzdougg | oh |
| 18:42.54 | Patlabor221 | problem with bin patches is that the user has to have the EXACXT same version that you have when you make the patch |
| 18:42.57 | Patlabor221 | or it don't work |
| 18:43.04 | bzdougg | yea |
| 18:43.07 | Patlabor221 | we looked into doing that, but it's hard |
| 18:43.18 | Patlabor221 | I should say hard to maintain |
| 18:43.18 | bzdougg | ok |
| 18:43.27 | Patlabor221 | it's better to componentize everything |
| 18:43.35 | bzdougg | so I get the .diff .cxx .h files... and I put the .cxx and .h where? |
| 18:43.38 | Patlabor221 | then you can just replace the compnentes |
| 18:43.44 | MrApathyCream | woowoo!!! |
| 18:43.45 | bzdougg | BZFlag: heh |
| 18:44.03 | Patlabor221 | doug you put them in an build bz |
| 18:44.21 | bzdougg | ? |
| 18:44.25 | ak|ra | BZFlag is in big adding-feature-temper :) |
| 18:44.40 | *** part/#bzflag MortimeR (~MortimeR@62-37-123-238.dialup.uni2.es) |
| 18:45.29 | bzdougg | *sniff* |
| 18:45.30 | ak|ra | hehe |
| 18:45.48 | ak|ra | he just wants a reason to call cvs 17e8 :) |
| 18:46.01 | bzdougg | hehehe |
| 18:47.27 | bzdougg | sweet |
| 18:47.30 | bzdougg | cvs works |
| 18:47.48 | bzdougg | and the md3 stuff goes where? |
| 18:49.34 | BZFlag | what's "HOST" for under unix? looks like it would make more than one cache directory. that can't be good. |
| 18:49.57 | rooter | test |
| 18:49.57 | rooter | hmmm |
| 18:50.04 | *** join/#bzflag patlabor221_ (~Patlabor2@gibbscam.com) |
| 18:50.13 | BZFlag | "one" is now running caching server. |
| 18:50.24 | *** join/#bzflag MultiSpace (~d4efaf38@chat.ircnet.org) |
| 18:50.52 | MrApathyCream | bzdoug no need to patch, it's in cvs!! |
| 18:50.59 | bzdougg | oh |
| 18:51.05 | bzdougg | when was that? |
| 18:51.20 | bzdougg | 5 min ago? |
| 18:51.26 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 18:52.51 | MrApathyCream | one.bzflag is about a 10 times speed up |
| 18:53.10 | bzdougg | heh |
| 18:54.54 | *** join/#bzflag jpablo (~jpablo@dsl-200-67-6-1.prodigy.net.mx) |
| 18:55.15 | bzdougg | this will make a new bzfs too? |
| 18:55.34 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: HOST is also used for finding the bzc file |
| 18:55.42 | MrApathyCream | bzdougg: yes |
| 18:55.48 | bzdougg | kewl |
| 18:56.14 | bzdougg | WWOO |
| 18:56.19 | bzdougg | it compiled |
| 18:56.25 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: I don't see why. perhaps we should kill it. |
| 18:56.25 | bzdougg | bzflag.exe - 0 error(s), 0 warning(s) |
| 18:56.27 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 18:56.32 | MrApathyCream | shouldn't it? |
| 18:56.36 | bzdougg | heh |
| 18:56.42 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: fine by me |
| 18:56.47 | MrApathyCream | I just copied what was there |
| 18:56.52 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 18:56.59 | bzdougg | how do I make a non debug version? |
| 18:57.11 | MrApathyCream | doug msvc? |
| 18:57.16 | bzdougg | yah |
| 18:57.23 | MrApathyCream | Build menu |
| 18:57.30 | MrApathyCream | batch build |
| 18:57.43 | bzdougg | ok |
| 18:57.43 | MrApathyCream | select bzflag - release and bzfs release |
| 18:57.46 | MrApathyCream | and then send build |
| 18:57.49 | bzdougg | k |
| 18:58.24 | bzdougg | ok |
| 18:58.28 | bzdougg | WOO |
| 18:58.35 | MrApathyCream | woowoo |
| 18:58.36 | bzdougg | tis the season for BZFlag |
| 18:58.43 | MrApathyCream | Santa is real, Santa is real!!! |
| 18:58.54 | bzdougg | santa = satan |
| 18:58.57 | bzdougg | :P |
| 18:59.57 | bzdougg | cya |
| 19:00.04 | MrApathyCream | cu, thx |
| 19:01.16 | bzdougg | cool |
| 19:01.23 | bzdougg | it loads faster now |
| 19:01.37 | bzdougg | where does it hold the cache? |
| 19:03.44 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~Patlabor2@gibbscam.com) |
| 19:03.53 | bzdougg | 'lo Patlabor221 |
| 19:04.02 | BZFlag | ~/.bzflag-cache on unix |
| 19:04.03 | | BZFlag: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 19:04.10 | bzdougg | ok |
| 19:04.13 | bzdougg | where onj windows? |
| 19:04.22 | *** join/#bzflag ak|ra (~akira@p50882A2F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:04.25 | ak|ra | re |
| 19:04.35 | bzdougg | ak|ra: caching in now CVS |
| 19:04.57 | ak|ra | bzdougg: really? |
| 19:05.08 | bzdougg | yup |
| 19:05.14 | MrApathyCream | on win |
| 19:05.16 | bzdougg | and tkkr |
| 19:05.18 | ak|ra | really really? |
| 19:05.20 | MrApathyCream | on 2k or xp its |
| 19:05.35 | bzdougg | :) |
| 19:06.09 | MrApathyCream | c:\documents and settings\dave\my documents\bzflag-cache |
| 19:06.15 | MrApathyCream | or what ever you call yourself |
| 19:06.15 | bzdougg | k |
| 19:06.26 | MrApathyCream | why it wouldn't be dave is beyond me |
| 19:06.29 | bzdougg | yup |
| 19:06.34 | bzdougg | hehe |
| 19:06.43 | bzdougg | t4389dc58827fab74e943a7b96ba66da8.bwc |
| 19:06.45 | bzdougg | :) |
| 19:07.38 | *** topic/#bzflag by ibot -> Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) || http://happypenguin.org/ - interview Dec 7th || someone set us up the glx || world cache and tkkr is now in CVS! (bzdougg) |
| 19:08.14 | MrApathyCream | that's the md5 |
| 19:08.24 | bzdougg | ? |
| 19:08.26 | MrApathyCream | the preceding t says it was a random world |
| 19:08.35 | bzdougg | ah |
| 19:09.26 | *** join/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@d5113217.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 19:10.08 | bzdougg | sussudio: see topic |
| 19:10.21 | sussudio | :-B |
| 19:12.46 | Chestal | -tkkr missing in man page |
| 19:13.53 | Chestal | hmm, I forgot about the /flaghistory command |
| 19:13.59 | Chestal | do peopel use it? |
| 19:14.20 | bzdougg | the what command? |
| 19:15.01 | MrApathyCream | i do |
| 19:15.06 | MrApathyCream | :) course i wrote it |
| 19:15.33 | MrApathyCream | man, shman |
| 19:15.56 | sussudio | where's the cache dir |
| 19:16.39 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: lagstats is there either? |
| 19:16.53 | Chestal | MrApathyCream: huh? |
| 19:17.13 | sussudio | is there even a cachedir with linux? |
| 19:17.16 | MrApathyCream | is lagstats documented? |
| 19:17.20 | MrApathyCream | ~/.bzflag-cache on unix |
| 19:17.20 | | MrApathyCream: I give up, what is it? |
| 19:17.25 | sussudio | hm. |
| 19:17.33 | MrApathyCream | shut up ibot |
| 19:17.43 | Chestal | MAC: yes, most server commands are, I think /idlestats is missing |
| 19:17.52 | MrApathyCream | where? |
| 19:18.03 | Chestal | MAC: in man/bzfs.6 |
| 19:18.18 | Chestal | this is where I foudn /flaghistory :-) |
| 19:18.23 | sussudio | i cant find a .bzflag-cache dir :-| |
| 19:18.34 | Chestal | -tkkr and tank labels must go into man pages |
| 19:18.43 | Chestal | cahing can be ignored I guess |
| 19:18.45 | MrApathyCream | did you connect to a server ssussiod? |
| 19:18.56 | sussudio | yes, i did |
| 19:20.37 | sussudio | do i need to connect to a e7 server? |
| 19:21.47 | sussudio | oh yeah. the host lookup thing........... |
| 19:21.58 | sussudio | for some reason it chokes on ducati.bzflag.org every time under linux |
| 19:22.22 | sussudio | times out on lookup immediately |
| 19:22.52 | Chestal | I think there is still somethign wrong with the timeout code on joining |
| 19:22.55 | Chestal | happens sometimes |
| 19:22.58 | MrApathyCream | yes either ducati or one.bzflag |
| 19:23.00 | Chestal | try resolvign it manually in a shell |
| 19:23.26 | Chestal | will then probably be cached somewhere close to you |
| 19:23.31 | sussudio | yes, i did that, but it's not really a solution |
| 19:23.57 | sussudio | ok it made a cache file when i connected to ducati |
| 19:24.16 | MrApathyCream | kul |
| 19:24.19 | sussudio | not when i connected to happypenguin |
| 19:24.32 | MrApathyCream | right |
| 19:25.07 | MrApathyCream | Chestal please check my man |
| 19:25.42 | sussudio | aaaaaaaaaaaaaah noooooooooooooo |
| 19:25.46 | sussudio | not mighty ducks |
| 19:25.54 | sussudio | *gasp* |
| 19:26.01 | sussudio | the horror |
| 19:27.58 | MrApathyCream | sussudio: connect to one.bzflag |
| 19:28.01 | MrApathyCream | then disconnect |
| 19:28.06 | MrApathyCream | then connect again, second time should be fast |
| 19:28.16 | sussudio | k |
| 19:28.42 | MrApathyCream | esp. noticable if you have 56k |
| 19:29.13 | sussudio | well somewhat faster |
| 19:29.18 | sussudio | i'm still lagging 350ms on there |
| 19:29.32 | Chestal | when not using -tkkr, no kicks? |
| 19:29.39 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: correct |
| 19:30.14 | MrApathyCream | sussudio: world cache only effect connect speed, not lagging |
| 19:30.34 | sussudio | i know |
| 19:31.00 | MrApathyCream | man, we need to schedule Christmas more often |
| 19:31.29 | sussudio | why |
| 19:31.41 | sussudio | you can have mine |
| 19:32.49 | ak|ra | MrApathyCream: you are in patch-temper too :)) |
| 19:32.58 | ak|ra | one mail notification after the other |
| 19:33.05 | ak|ra | patch this |
| 19:33.06 | ak|ra | nooo |
| 19:33.10 | ak|ra | i will patch that |
| 19:33.11 | ak|ra | yeah |
| 19:33.12 | ak|ra | :) |
| 19:34.25 | sussudio | gphoto2-cmd-capture.c:201: `GETTEXT_PACKAGE' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 19:34.28 | sussudio | *snort* |
| 19:35.22 | MrApathyCream | that's what releases are for :) |
| 19:35.49 | sussudio | yeah but the gphoto2 release wont see my digicam |
| 19:36.12 | sussudio | well, libgphoto2 rather |
| 19:38.32 | ak|ra | hehe :)))) |
| 19:41.53 | *** join/#bzflag jpablo (~jpablo@dsl-200-67-6-1.prodigy.net.mx) |
| 19:44.48 | Chestal | getHostAddress currently waits 3s |
| 19:44.54 | Chestal | I though tthis had been uppded before, hmm |
| 19:45.27 | Chestal | ah, I am confusing this |
| 19:46.53 | sussudio | why does ducati.bzflag.org take so long? |
| 19:50.40 | sussudio | dandruff? |
| 19:51.05 | MrApathyCream | lol |
| 19:54.28 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: thx |
| 19:55.02 | sussudio | hmm 15 meters of coax cable. |
| 19:55.16 | sussudio | stuff you find when venturing in the dark corners of a room |
| 19:55.44 | *** part/#bzflag Wilinckx (~Wilinckx@u212-239-222-5.adsl.pi.be) |
| 19:55.49 | sussudio | beats finding 3 soggy oranges |
| 20:00.33 | *** join/#bzflag sussudio1 (Suss@d5113236.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 20:09.52 | MrApathyCream | coax cable can be kind of chewy tho |
| 20:11.47 | *** join/#bzflag jpablo (~jpablo@dsl-200-67-6-1.prodigy.net.mx) |
| 20:13.42 | sussudio | but you can floss with the copper |
| 20:18.13 | MrApathyCream | http://www.peter-praum.de/download/Bear3.mpg |
| 20:19.34 | ak|ra | is this the man who fights the bear? |
| 20:19.46 | MrApathyCream | to get salmon, yes |
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| 20:57.16 | ak|ra | MrApathyCream: http://wh58-207.st.uni-magdeburg.de/~gumz/matrix_cow.wmv |
| 20:58.47 | MrApathyCream | checkin... |
| 21:02.07 | Chestal | oh my |
| 21:02.30 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 21:02.46 | Chestal | referring to the video :-) |
| 21:02.52 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 21:03.45 | ak|ra | :) |
| 21:03.48 | ak|ra | any comments? |
| 21:04.08 | MrApathyCream | i have problems trying to open |
| 21:04.17 | ak|ra | mplayer :) |
| 21:04.26 | ak|ra | Chestal: tankmann is online icq |
| 21:04.43 | Chestal | jo, ich weiß |
| 21:04.53 | ak|ra | Chestal: am schnacken? |
| 21:05.02 | Chestal | ein wenig |
| 21:13.45 | MrApathyCream | what's a schnacken? |
| 21:13.55 | ak|ra | MrApathyCream: talking |
| 21:14.00 | ak|ra | MrApathyCream: kind of slang |
| 21:14.10 | ak|ra | Chestal: darf ich mit? |
| 21:14.13 | ak|ra | :) |
| 21:15.11 | Chestal | naja, 'mit' kann ich nicht |
| 21:15.21 | ak|ra | hehe |
| 21:15.24 | ak|ra | ich auch nich |
| 21:15.29 | ak|ra | aber #moles could :) |
| 21:16.19 | ak|ra | hint hint hint |
| 21:17.20 | MrApathyCream | Alle mögliche Wanze Liste Einzelteile springen an Ihnen heraus? |
| 21:17.45 | ak|ra | MrApathyCream: :) whatever this could be :) |
| 21:18.00 | MrApathyCream | you guys are really german, are you??? |
| 21:18.06 | ak|ra | MrApathyCream: yes |
| 21:18.07 | ak|ra | why? |
| 21:18.14 | MrApathyCream | otherwise you'd understand that fine german sentence |
| 21:19.05 | ak|ra | your sentence: all possible bug list item comes from within you |
| 21:19.16 | MrApathyCream | and your point? |
| 21:19.19 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 21:19.30 | ak|ra | :) makes no sense right ?? :)) |
| 21:19.32 | MrApathyCream | It's kind of playing "whisper down the lane"... |
| 21:19.40 | MrApathyCream | know that children's game? |
| 21:19.46 | ak|ra | nope |
| 21:20.02 | MrApathyCream | line up a bunch of kids. Teacher whispers a short story to one. |
| 21:20.15 | MrApathyCream | in turn they each tell the story in secret to the kid next to them |
| 21:20.22 | MrApathyCream | at the end you ask the last kid to say the story |
| 21:20.27 | MrApathyCream | isn't anything like the original |
| 21:20.29 | MrApathyCream | -- |
| 21:20.32 | captain_proton | i always thought that was called "telephone" |
| 21:20.37 | MrApathyCream | take a german sentence |
| 21:20.51 | MrApathyCream | translate it with babelfish back and forth between german and english |
| 21:20.54 | MrApathyCream | a few times |
| 21:21.00 | MrApathyCream | it will be impossible to understand |
| 21:21.20 | Chestal | I always wondered if it will end in a fixpoint |
| 21:21.32 | Chestal | or wheterh you get cycles |
| 21:21.33 | MrApathyCream | All possible bug list of individual parts jump out at you? |
| 21:21.45 | ak|ra | Chestal: #moles? |
| 21:21.54 | MrApathyCream | Babel Fish Translation, Auf Deutsch: Help |
| 21:21.54 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.54 | MrApathyCream | Alle mögliche Wanze Liste der einzelnen Teile springen an Ihnen heraus? |
| 21:21.54 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.59 | Chestal | ak|ra: lohnt net, ich tauxche mit Tankmann z.Z: alel 10 Minuten einen Satz aus |
| 21:22.12 | ak|ra | aber mit mir |
| 21:22.14 | ak|ra | :( |
| 21:22.18 | ak|ra | du magst mich nich mehr :((( |
| 21:22.25 | ak|ra | :) |
| 21:23.35 | MrApathyCream | original question was: |
| 21:23.54 | MrApathyCream | Are there any bug list items that jump out at you? |
| 21:27.08 | *** join/#bzflag chsh[] (~chsh@207.245.233.114) |
| 21:39.24 | Chestal | what is this major network cleanup patch? |
| 21:56.30 | MrApathyCream | code cleaning i think |
| 21:56.44 | MrApathyCream | using classes to specify messages maybe? |
| 21:56.56 | ak|ra | yep, read something like this |
| 22:01.01 | PatLabor221 | space vampires |
| 22:22.07 | *** join/#bzflag jneves (~Really@a213-22-85-132.netcabo.pt) |
| 22:23.11 | MrApathyCream | work? |
| 22:23.18 | captain_proton | work |
| 22:25.15 | Chestal | peopel attending classes are students, they do not work |
| 22:27.46 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@209.195.250.65) |
| 22:28.25 | MrApathyCream | bbl |
| 22:28.47 | ak|ra | what was this? |
| 22:41.50 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@mxfcl6x211.chesco.com) |
| 22:42.01 | bzdougg | 'lo MrApathyCream |
| 22:42.52 | MrApathyCream | yo |
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| 23:19.13 | PatLabor221 | how do I get a server to show up in the master list server? |
| 23:19.34 | PatLabor221 | I did -public and a name and -publicaddr and it's address |
| 23:19.35 | M_A_C | send 4.95 to. |
| 23:19.37 | M_A_C | Mr. ApathyCream |
| 23:19.41 | M_A_C | c/o |
| 23:19.46 | M_A_C | oh dang |
| 23:19.58 | PatLabor221 | an a self addressed stamped envelope? |
| 23:20.51 | PatLabor221 | is there anything else I need to put on the command line? |
| 23:21.14 | MrApathyCream | did you use -publiclist? |
| 23:21.14 | ak|ra | MrApathyCream: stop this patching now .. i dont want to have any new mails now :)) |
| 23:21.33 | MrApathyCream | it's easier than sending christmas cards, ak|ra |
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| 23:22.57 | ak|ra | MrApathyCream: :))) lol |
| 23:23.06 | ak|ra | dennis the manice |
| 23:23.22 | [dmp] | Menace was actually my former handle :-) |
| 23:24.36 | ak|ra | damnit |
| 23:24.41 | ak|ra | wrong word ... |
| 23:24.54 | bzdougg | PatLabor221: I got it to show up with -publiclist <list server> |
| 23:25.04 | ak|ra | *bangs his head on the table* |
| 23:26.03 | ak|ra | and replace it with what? |
| 23:26.06 | PatLabor221 | seriously what else do I need in a command line to get a server to show up? |
| 23:26.19 | bzdougg | thats what I did and it showed up |
| 23:26.54 | *** join/#bzflag m0nkeyb0y (~m0nkey_b0@photon.unm.edu) |
| 23:26.59 | m0nkeyb0y | greeting earthlings |
| 23:27.09 | [dmp] | greeting monkey |
| 23:27.13 | bzdougg | take me to your leader |
| 23:27.14 | m0nkeyb0y | take me to your leader |
| 23:27.18 | m0nkeyb0y | hehe |
| 23:27.20 | PatLabor221 | bzfs -ms 2 -t -j +s -s -public "Patlabor221's Test server" =publicaddr "208.48.199.210" |
| 23:27.21 | bzdougg | gah |
| 23:27.23 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 23:27.26 | PatLabor221 | I don't see it on the list |
| 23:27.38 | m0nkeyb0y | jessica alba..is your leader correct? |
| 23:27.39 | bzdougg | add -publiclist <list server> |
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| 23:27.59 | m0nkeyb0y | hi brat |
| 23:28.03 | PatLabor221 | whats the list server? |
| 23:28.07 | bzgirl | hello #bzflag |
| 23:28.08 | bzgirl | hi mb |
| 23:28.13 | bzdougg | I dont know |
| 23:28.37 | m0nkeyb0y | doesn' |
| 23:28.55 | m0nkeyb0y | doesn't using -public send to the list server? |
| 23:29.04 | MrApathyCream | bzflist://204.228.134.186:5156/ |
| 23:29.43 | bzdougg | or that |
| 23:29.52 | bzdougg | -public something |
| 23:30.03 | bzdougg | -publiclist I think... |
| 23:30.53 | PatLabor221 | can you get to 208.48.199.210 ? |
| 23:31.10 | bzdougg | lemme try |
| 23:31.29 | MrApathyCream | i can ping it |
| 23:31.41 | PatLabor221 | well that's a start |
| 23:32.46 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 23:32.49 | bzdougg | I dont think so |
| 23:32.54 | bzdougg | its still sitting there |
| 23:33.00 | bzdougg | nope |
| 23:33.03 | bzdougg | cant connect |
| 23:33.10 | PatLabor221 | hmmmmm |
| 23:33.10 | MrApathyCream | i can connect |
| 23:33.30 | bzdougg | oh? |
| 23:33.57 | bzdougg | yay |
| 23:34.07 | bzdougg | incompatible server version |
| 23:34.11 | bzdougg | how strange |
| 23:34.41 | PatLabor221 | its e6 |
| 23:34.45 | PatLabor221 | not CVS |
| 23:34.59 | bzdougg | ick |
| 23:35.13 | PatLabor221 | what do you mean 'ick' |
| 23:35.20 | bzdougg | so that means CVS dont work with any other servers? |
| 23:35.44 | MrApathyCream | e6 works fine with cvs |
| 23:35.52 | MrApathyCream | and vice versa |
| 23:35.55 | bzdougg | hm |
| 23:35.59 | PatLabor221 | souldns like dougy applied tooo many patches |
| 23:36.07 | bzdougg | never |
| 23:36.13 | bzdougg | I have the strait CVS |
| 23:36.15 | bzdougg | no patches |
| 23:37.13 | MrApathyCream | what's with the 0 height buildings? |
| 23:37.26 | bzdougg | ? |
| 23:37.29 | PatLabor221 | I just had it make a random map |
| 23:37.48 | PatLabor221 | or I shoudl say I didn't specify a map |
| 23:38.10 | MrApathyCream | odd |
| 23:38.21 | MrApathyCream | wonder why the heights are all 0 |
| 23:38.40 | bzdougg | lemme see.... |
| 23:38.49 | PatLabor221 | they look normal to me |
| 23:38.49 | bzdougg | a bug maybe? |
| 23:39.33 | ak|ra | night all |
| 23:39.38 | ak|ra | and mac, STOP it |
| 23:39.40 | bzdougg | cya |
| 23:39.40 | m0nkeyb0y | night akira |
| 23:39.45 | ak|ra | oh, monkey |
| 23:39.46 | ak|ra | hey |
| 23:39.52 | m0nkeyb0y | hola mole |
| 23:40.04 | ak|ra | but have to go to bed .. tired and tomorrow big journey :) |
| 23:40.12 | bzdougg | uh huh |
| 23:40.16 | m0nkeyb0y | cool deal...me too |
| 23:40.20 | MrApathyCream | nachty-nacht |
| 23:40.29 | ak|ra | MrApathyCream: "gute nacht" |
| 23:40.35 | bzdougg | wow |
| 23:40.42 | bzdougg | this video is soooo out of sync |
| 23:40.47 | m0nkeyb0y | i have to wax my board |
| 23:40.57 | ak|ra | ok, waving bya around :) |
| 23:40.59 | *** part/#bzflag ak|ra (~akira@p50882A2F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:41.12 | bzdougg | I make one end synced, and the other end gets about 10 seconds off |
| 23:42.04 | bzdougg | impossible |
| 23:42.20 | bzdougg | becuase the audio does not sound messed up |
| 23:44.04 | bzdougg | and the video isnt either |
| 23:51.11 | m0nkeyb0y | laters all |
| 23:51.19 | m0nkeyb0y | happy thursday |
| 23:51.22 | bzdougg | uh huh |
| 23:51.22 | bzdougg | cya |
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