irclog2html for #bzflag on 20021203

`00:02.24`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: food?`
`00:02.52`	`scanline`	`ok`
`00:03.01`	`scanline`	`hehe`
`00:03.14`	`scanline`	`if you set the RTJpeg quality to 0% you get a completely blank frame`
`00:03.36`	`captain_proton`	`makes sense`
`00:10.23`	`*** join/#bzflag BZFlag (timr@rikers.org)`
`00:10.54`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o BZFlag] by ChanServ`
`00:11.23`	`akira_`	`hi tim`
`00:24.03`	`*** join/#bzflag jolly (~ah@jvnineteen.ne.client2.attbi.com)`
`00:49.22`	`Patlabor221`	`would it be posible to make the wiki pages auto commit themselves to CVs on an update?`
`00:55.37`	`BZFlag`	`hmm. if we created a bzflag user and then had the public key for him in the project dir, then that user could commit.`
`01:00.31`	`bzdoug`	`grr, this battery backup I got does not exist on the web`
`01:19.51`	`iluxa`	`ibot: ducati`
`01:19.51`		`bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156`
`01:21.25`	`*** join/#bzflag [STC]creeperz (~42e70d8f@chat.ircnet.org)`
`01:21.47`	`[STC]creeperz`	`hello y'all`
`01:22.00`	`bzdoug`	`ugh`
`01:22.17`	`[STC]creeperz`	`~lart bzdoug`
`01:22.30`	`bzdoug`	`~insult [STC]creeperz`
`01:22.31`	`[STC]creeperz`	`I had to do that =)`
`01:22.42`	`bzdoug`	`woo`
`01:22.48`	`[STC]creeperz`	`~insult BZDoug`
`01:23.03`	`bzdoug`	`lol`
`01:23.06`	`[STC]creeperz`	`LOL!!`
`01:23.43`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Tim Riker: are yu on here?`
`01:24.10`	`[STC]creeperz`	`my dads name is tim`
`01:24.13`	`[STC]creeperz`	`;)`
`01:24.24`	`bzdoug`	`heh`
`01:24.59`	`[STC]creeperz`	`HAHA!! You're a fat woman's stopach bile! :P`
`01:25.17`	`[STC]creeperz`	`~kill BZDoug`
`01:25.18`		`wish i knew, [STC]creeperz`
`01:25.29`	`[STC]creeperz`	`lol`
`01:25.33`	`bzdoug`	`~die`
`01:25.33`		`ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples lifeless.`
`01:25.40`	`[STC]creeperz`	`LOL!!`
`01:25.41`	`bzdoug`	`bwuahahaha`
`01:25.44`	`[STC]creeperz`	`~die`
`01:25.44`		`ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples lifeless.`
`01:25.55`	`[STC]creeperz`	`that the only one?`
`01:25.56`	`captain_proton`	`if you're going to play with the bot, do it in a /msg`
`01:26.05`	`bzdoug`	`~part #bzflag`
`01:26.06`		`bzdoug: i don't know`
`01:26.09`	`[STC]creeperz`	`captain: are yu a bzcop?`
`01:26.16`	`bzdoug`	`[STC]creeperz: yes, and I am`
`01:35.08`	`[STC]creeperz`	`wow`
`01:40.41`	`*** join/#bzflag xxx (~d8088171@chat.ircnet.org)`
`01:41.33`	`*** join/#bzflag xxxxxxxxxxxx (~d8088171@chat.ircnet.org)`
`01:44.29`	`[STC]creeperz`	`i'm gunna play BZFlag now...`
`02:27.26`	`*** join/#bzflag KnightMare (~cf323845@chat.ircnet.org)`
`02:27.41`	`KnightMare`	`hiya guys`
`02:28.21`	`KnightMare`	`dont all say hi at once`
`02:28.30`	`KnightMare`	`you'll flood me off`
`02:28.41`	`bzdoug`	`~hi`
`02:28.42`		`bugger all, i dunno, bzdoug`
`02:28.45`	`KnightMare`	`hey hey`
`02:29.08`	`KnightMare`	`allright, now i'm confused`
`02:29.20`	`KnightMare`	`hey, having major pains with server`
`02:29.31`	`KnightMare`	`anyone up to some troubleshootin`
`02:29.35`	`bzdoug`	`yea, it hurt my toe`
`02:29.36`	`KnightMare`	`thanks for the kick`
`02:29.54`	`KnightMare`	`here goes`
`02:30.06`	`KnightMare`	`running Slackware 8.1`
`02:30.19`	`bzdoug`	`ask captain_proton he is THEE person to ask about servers`
`02:30.32`	`KnightMare`	`wake up proton`
`02:30.42`	`bzdoug`	`~seen captain_proton`
`02:30.44`		`captain_proton is currently on #picogui (2h 37m 6s) #bzflag (2h 37m 6s). Has said a total of 23 messages. Is idling for 17m 49s`
`02:32.19`	`scanline`	`meep`
`02:32.45`	`scanline`	`ibot: x pl en Przykro nam, strona o podanym adresie nie istnieje`
`02:32.46`		`scanline: I give up, what is it?`
`02:33.00`	`scanline`	`ibot: x fi en Przykro nam, strona o podanym adresie nie istnieje`
`02:33.01`		`scanline: wish i knew`
`02:33.04`	`bzdoug`	`translation dont work no more`
`02:33.05`	`scanline`	`bah`
`02:33.05`	`*** join/#bzflag KnightMare (~cf323845@chat.ircnet.org)`
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`03:04.25`	`KnightMare`	`think i just heard a mouse fart!`
`03:08.23`	`*** join/#bzflag KnightMare (1000@cdm-207-56-69-amro.cox-internet.com)`
`03:26.15`	`*** join/#bzflag KnightMare (1000@cdm-207-56-69-amro.cox-internet.com)`
`03:29.20`	`*** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~JeffM@dsl-65-184-182-9.telocity.com)`
`03:32.14`	`[STC]creeperz`	`hi`
`03:32.39`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Pat`
`03:32.42`	`Patlabor221`	`hello`
`03:32.47`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Hi`
`03:33.30`	`[STC]creeperz`	`How do you make those tank things on your site?`
`03:33.41`	`Patlabor221`	`tank thing?`
`03:33.51`	`[STC]creeperz`	`top right hand corner`
`03:33.57`	`[STC]creeperz`	`that model thing`
`03:34.04`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh there are a number of them`
`03:34.04`	`[STC]creeperz`	`of a tank`
`03:34.14`	`Patlabor221`	`it chages each time you log in :)`
`03:34.22`	`Patlabor221`	`5 of them are the bz tank`
`03:34.25`	`Patlabor221`	`and 3 are other tanks`
`03:34.34`	`[STC]creeperz`	`how did you make them?`
`03:34.48`	`Patlabor221`	`the BZ tanks were pulled from the code`
`03:34.56`	`Patlabor221`	`and I made the other 3`
`03:35.22`	`[STC]creeperz`	`How did you make the other three?`
`03:35.24`	`Patlabor221`	`in 3d modelers`
`03:35.50`	`[STC]creeperz`	`hmmm... Where yu get the program?`
`03:36.28`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh tehre are many`
`03:36.34`	`Patlabor221`	`I do most of my work in lightwave`
`03:36.40`	`Patlabor221`	`some in milkshape`
`03:36.43`	`Patlabor221`	`and some in my own`
`03:36.49`	`BZFlag`	`any comments on the wiki now? /me has been restoring it page by page from google`
`03:37.08`	`Patlabor221`	`from google?`
`03:37.09`	`[STC]creeperz`	`hi Tim`
`03:38.36`	`Patlabor221`	`there are a lot of moelers`
`03:38.44`	`Patlabor221`	`free ones would be like blender`
`03:38.58`	`Patlabor221`	`milkshape is realy cheap ($20)`
`03:39.02`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Ok`
`03:39.04`	`Patlabor221`	`lightwave is a about a grand`
`03:39.10`	`[STC]creeperz`	`I will check in my area`
`03:39.14`	`Patlabor221`	`mos people use 3ds max`
`03:39.21`	`[STC]creeperz`	`LightWave= $1k?`
`03:39.45`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah about`
`03:39.50`	`Patlabor221`	`it's one of the cheaper ones`
`03:39.52`	`[STC]creeperz`	`HOLY ****!`
`03:40.11`	`Patlabor221`	`max is like 2500 for the base thing`
`03:40.13`	`[STC]creeperz`	`1 thousand doaalaz for a 3D modeler?`
`03:40.26`	`Patlabor221`	`modeling, animation, and rendering yes`
`03:40.30`	`Patlabor221`	`these are pro tools`
`03:40.45`	`[STC]creeperz`	`I would say so! lol`
`03:40.52`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Mr. Riker?`
`03:40.58`	`Patlabor221`	`paying $1000 for software is not bad`
`03:41.00`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Where did he go already?`
`03:41.29`	`[STC]creeperz`	`lol...`
`03:41.46`	`Patlabor221`	`he has other things to do you know`
`03:42.07`	`[STC]creeperz`	`On your site, if you put www.artemisgames.com/bzedit it will show up a gray tank...`
`03:42.26`	`[STC]creeperz`	`but, if you take out the WWW, it will be the modified green tank`
`03:42.29`	`Patlabor221`	`close IE and go back`
`03:42.39`	`Patlabor221`	`suposed to load a new one each session`
`03:42.44`	`[STC]creeperz`	`ok...`
`03:43.26`	`Patlabor221`	`whoot.. level 2 :)`
`03:43.44`	`[STC]creeperz`	`level 2 what?`
`03:43.48`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: we're approaching realtime encoding of video :)`
`03:44.07`	`Patlabor221`	`that's what scanline said, how is he going on the audio?`
`03:44.18`	`[STC]creeperz`	`for what?`
`03:44.32`	`Patlabor221`	`the magical myster project`
`03:44.47`	`[STC]creeperz`	`What's that?`
`03:44.54`	`Patlabor221`	`it's magical`
`03:44.57`	`captain_proton`	`audio will have to wait`
`03:44.58`	`Patlabor221`	`and mysterious`
`03:44.59`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Really?`
`03:45.09`	`scanline`	`Patlabor221: there's no code for OpenAL yet... I told you about what I found from the OpenAL developer`
`03:45.22`	`captain_proton`	`but it'll be good when we can get solid 30fps recording`
`03:45.28`	`[STC]creeperz`	`And I think that white powder you just sniffed wasn't really powdered sugar :)`
`03:45.31`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah, you said he was working on a plugin or something for you tho`
`03:45.33`	`*** join/#bzflag Mr (~aaron@12-222-49-85.client.insightBB.com)`
`03:45.35`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: we could probably hack together something that peeks into the internals of the OpenAL library until there's an extension written :)`
`03:45.42`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: eeek`
`03:46.05`	`scanline`	`the source code isn't that big, only like 60000 lines for the linux sample implementation...`
`03:46.14`	`*** join/#bzflag MrJones (~aaron@12-222-49-85.client.insightBB.com)`
`03:46.33`	`Patlabor221`	`?`
`03:46.57`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Ok... Tough crowd`
`03:47.03`	`[STC]creeperz`	`...Yea...`
`03:47.36`	`[STC]creeperz`	`I think I'm jus' gunna go watch a muoovee`
`03:47.48`	`MrJones`	`anyone here from resurrection?`
`03:47.57`	`[STC]creeperz`	`resurrection?`
`03:48.12`	`MrJones`	`yeah thats what i said`
`03:48.19`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Whats that?`
`03:48.26`	`MrJones`	`its a team`
`03:48.29`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Is what I meant.`
`03:48.35`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Oh, for CTF?`
`03:48.42`	`MrJones`	`yep`
`03:48.49`	`[STC]creeperz`	`cool`
`03:48.54`	`MrJones`	`i want to play them again`
`03:49.12`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Yu know, I had a Geography teacher last year named Mr. Jones`
`03:49.26`	`MrJones`	`:*(`
`03:49.36`	`[STC]creeperz`	`lol`
`03:49.54`	`[STC]creeperz`	`~lart MrJones`
`03:50.01`	`[STC]creeperz`	`He failed me ;-)`
`03:50.29`	`MrJones`	`well im 16 so it wasnt me`
`03:50.33`	`Patlabor221`	`realy trying to make friends are't you skip`
`03:50.44`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Skip?`
`03:50.50`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Who's skip?`
`03:50.54`	`Patlabor221`	`skip`
`03:51.01`	`Patlabor221`	`that would be you.`
`03:51.08`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Me?!`
`03:51.14`	`MrJones`	`~lart [STC]creeperz`
`03:51.18`	`[STC]creeperz`	`I don't like boats...`
`03:51.24`	`[STC]creeperz`	`LMAO!!`
`03:51.26`	`Patlabor221`	`ok sport`
`03:51.34`	`[STC]creeperz`	`I have a collection of Free AOL CD's`
`03:51.52`	`[STC]creeperz`	`I throw them at my friends : )`
`03:51.52`	`MrJones`	`i didnt know ibot would do that???`
`03:52.05`	`[STC]creeperz`	`~kill MrJones`
`03:52.05`		`[STC]creeperz: I don't know, could you explain it?`
`03:52.07`	`MrJones`	`~lart Patlabor221`
`03:52.28`	`[STC]creeperz`	`~lart MrJones`
`03:52.33`	`[STC]creeperz`	`LOL!!`
`03:52.35`	`MrJones`	`~lart [STC]creeperz`
`03:52.42`	`[STC]creeperz`	`LMAO!!`
`03:52.50`	`[STC]creeperz`	`OMG!! THATS FUNNY!!`
`03:53.00`	`MrJones`	`~lart Patlabor221`
`03:53.08`	`Patlabor221`	`kinky`
`03:53.22`	`MrJones`	`~lart Patlabor221`
`03:53.23`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Ewwww... Tell Tim to take that one out! ;-)`
`03:53.36`	`MrJones`	`~lart [STC]creeperz`
`03:53.42`	`MrJones`	`~lart [STC]creeperz`
`03:53.45`	`Patlabor221`	`good thing this is a mac`
`03:53.58`	`[STC]creeperz`	`~lart MrJones`
`03:54.04`	`[STC]creeperz`	`LOL!!`
`03:54.06`	`MrJones`	`~lart [STC]creeperz`
`03:54.17`	`MrJones`	`~lart [STC]creeperz`
`03:54.27`	`MrJones`	`Ha HA`
`03:54.27`	`[STC]creeperz`	`~lart MrJones`
`03:54.31`	`[STC]creeperz`	`oh!`
`03:54.32`	`captain_proton`	`quit it with the bot`
`03:54.35`	`MrJones`	`~lart [STC]creeperz`
`03:54.41`	`Patlabor221`	`siriously`
`03:54.47`	`[STC]creeperz`	`nHE STARTED IT!!`
`03:54.50`	`Patlabor221`	`so`
`03:54.52`	`MrJones`	`~lart captain_proton`
`03:54.54`	`[STC]creeperz`	`oopz`
`03:54.56`	`[STC]creeperz`	`-n`
`03:55.00`	`[STC]creeperz`	`~lart MrJones`
`03:55.03`	`captain_proton`	`i don't care who started it`
`03:55.03`	`captain_proton`	`quit it`
`03:55.04`	`MrJones`	`sorry captain`
`03:55.19`	`captain_proton`	`take it to a /msg if you waht to fiddle with ibot`
`03:55.54`	`MrJones`	`is there any way to dodge a gm?`
`03:56.02`	`[STC]creeperz`	`YES infact`
`03:56.07`	`captain_proton`	`move perpendicular to its path`
`03:56.09`	`Patlabor221`	`you have to be "the one"`
`03:56.20`	`MrJones`	`WHA???`
`03:56.22`	`[STC]creeperz`	`go toward (or away) and do a 180 to the left or right`
`03:56.35`	`[STC]creeperz`	`it will miss yu`
`03:56.48`	`MrJones`	`and if they keep shooting about a dozen shots?`
`03:56.54`	`[STC]creeperz`	`can laser kill CL?`
`03:57.04`	`[STC]creeperz`	`RUN LIKE HELL! lol`
`03:57.20`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Heck*`
`03:57.27`	`[STC]creeperz`	`heck, sorry`
`03:58.12`	`[STC]creeperz`	`nstay as close to them as possible or get out of range`
`03:58.17`	`[STC]creeperz`	`-n`
`03:58.20`	`captain_proton`	`MrJones: so long as you're always moving perpendicularly (means going in a circle around them), you'll survive`
`03:58.49`	`MrJones`	`i have about 130ms lag and i normally blow up before i see someone!!!`
`03:58.57`	`[STC]creeperz`	`lol`
`03:58.59`	`MrJones`	`and thanks for previous help`
`03:59.02`	`[STC]creeperz`	`200ms lag here`
`03:59.24`	`MrJones`	`well a tenth of a second IS TERRIBLE!`
`03:59.37`	`[STC]creeperz`	`You're lucky you don't have my bisexual computer! =)`
`03:59.49`	`MrJones`	`SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`04:00.11`	`[STC]creeperz`	`odd, ay? lol`
`04:00.24`	`MrJones`	`do the pros use joysticks or mice????`
`04:00.38`	`[STC]creeperz`	`I say it gettin' it on with another HP!`
`04:00.45`	`captain_proton`	`mouse forever`
`04:00.47`	`[STC]creeperz`	`saw*`
`04:00.52`	`[STC]creeperz`	`mouse lol`
`04:01.02`	`MrJones`	`why mouse???`
`04:01.02`	`[STC]creeperz`	`brb`
`04:01.10`	`[STC]creeperz`	`~lart himself`
`04:01.16`	`Patlabor221`	`WASD and ahacked client :)`
`04:01.36`	`MrJones`	`what???`
`04:02.03`	`Patlabor221`	`all about the circle strafe`
`04:03.15`	`[STC]creeperz`	`awwww! lol`
`04:03.28`	`MrJones`	`what the heck does WASD mean?`
`04:03.29`	`[STC]creeperz`	`I knew that :=)`
`04:03.45`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Wierd A** Sick Dork?`
`04:03.46`	`Patlabor221`	`They are keys`
`04:03.53`	`Patlabor221`	`look at your keyboad`
`04:04.09`	`Patlabor221`	`no creeper that's you`
`04:04.17`	`[STC]creeperz`	`thnx!`
`04:04.28`	`[STC]creeperz`	`My ex- told me that before she moved!`
`04:04.41`	`MrJones`	`what do you not have arrow keys or something???\`
`04:04.50`	`Patlabor221`	`arnt' you like 13?`
`04:04.56`	`[STC]creeperz`	`yea`
`04:05.00`	`Patlabor221`	`yes I have arow keys`
`04:05.08`	`Patlabor221`	`but they are on the right`
`04:05.15`	`MrJones`	`then why???`
`04:05.17`	`Patlabor221`	`wonder why she moved then`
`04:05.22`	`Patlabor221`	`right and on mouse`
`04:05.25`	`Patlabor221`	`left on keys`
`04:05.28`	`Patlabor221`	`thumb on space`
`04:05.54`	`[STC]creeperz`	`She went to visit her grandparents and then about a week later...she said she moved`
`04:06.03`	`MrJones`	`if you use mouse why do you use wasd????`
`04:06.10`	`[STC]creeperz`	`I haven't seen her in like, 2 weeks`
`04:06.12`	`Patlabor221`	`ooooo so she dtiched you`
`04:06.18`	`Patlabor221`	`I also said a hacked client :)`
`04:06.22`	`[STC]creeperz`	`DON'T TALK ABOUT HER!`
`04:06.31`	`MrJones`	`hacked to do what???`
`04:06.39`	`Patlabor221`	`move difrently`
`04:06.54`	`Patlabor221`	`trust me creeper at 13, you will see many more`
`04:07.00`	`MrJones`	`friend :) howd you do that???`
`04:07.08`	`[STC]creeperz`	`A PREGNANT girlfriend?!`
`04:07.23`	`Patlabor221`	`a 13?`
`04:07.26`	`[STC]creeperz`	`yea`
`04:07.32`	`Patlabor221`	`what is wrong with you people`
`04:07.57`	`MrJones`	`pregnant at 13!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sssiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkk`
`04:08.09`	`[STC]creeperz`	`she's 14 btw`
`04:08.14`	`Patlabor221`	`that's called jail time`
`04:08.16`	`MrJones`	`still sick`
`04:08.40`	`[STC]creeperz`	`I'm thinkin' toward the NEGATIVE on that one`
`04:08.47`	`[STC]creeperz`	`How is that jail time?`
`04:09.00`	`Patlabor221`	`under age of consent`
`04:09.12`	`[STC]creeperz`	`From whom??`
`04:09.17`	`iluxa`	`Unless he is also under age and no older then 16 :)`
`04:09.29`	`Patlabor221`	`the united states goverment, ture`
`04:09.36`	`Patlabor221`	`then they could not persecute as an adult`
`04:09.47`	`iluxa`	`No, it`
`04:10.00`	`iluxa`	`'s just legal here, if age difference is no more then 3 years`
`04:10.12`	`[STC]creeperz`	`I am not an adult... neither is she... How is that jain Time?`
`04:10.23`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm not suo sure about that`
`04:10.29`	`iluxa`	`I am :)`
`04:10.42`	`MrJones`	`can we not talk about something so creepy in a bzflag chat???`
`04:10.44`	`[STC]creeperz`	`jail*`
`04:10.45`	`Patlabor221`	`well at 13 keep you dick in your pants`
`04:10.57`	`iluxa`	`I would agree that it is completely off-topick here`
`04:11.02`	`Patlabor221`	`it is`
`04:11.05`	`[STC]creeperz`	`yea`
`04:11.20`	`[STC]creeperz`	`And never talk about her badly please`
`04:11.23`	`iluxa`	`so it is during game on ducati :)`
`04:11.48`	`MrJones`	`this was going on during a ducati game?`
`04:11.53`	`iluxa`	`ergo, [STC]creeperz, shut up, and don't annoy others ....`
`04:12.05`	`iluxa`	`MrJones: yeap`
`04:12.07`	`[STC]creeperz`	`~lart Patlabor221`
`04:12.20`	`Patlabor221`	`that does not mean larting`
`04:12.57`	`[STC]creeperz`	`ergo?`
`04:13.18`	`iluxa`	`Go look in dictionary`
`04:13.21`	`MrJones`	`hey pat so what did you hack your client to do with the four keys???`
`04:13.37`	`Patlabor221`	`never played any FPS games have you?`
`04:13.45`	`Patlabor221`	`I made it work the way it's "suposed to"`
`04:13.53`	`Patlabor221`	`but that was a while ago`
`04:13.58`	`MrJones`	`what do you mean?`
`04:14.08`	`Patlabor221`	`w forward`
`04:14.10`	`Patlabor221`	`S back`
`04:14.13`	`Patlabor221`	`A side left`
`04:14.17`	`Patlabor221`	`D side right`
`04:14.23`	`Patlabor221`	`mouse looks around`
`04:15.00`	`MrJones`	`ah kind of like the observer mode of bzflag?`
`04:15.12`	`Patlabor221`	`no, no oberserver :)`
`04:15.23`	`MrJones`	`no the way you move around`
`04:16.04`	`Patlabor221`	`it's normal WASD`
`04:16.12`	`MrJones`	`i just wish you could aim the turret`
`04:16.24`	`Patlabor221`	`who said I couldn't :)`
`04:16.36`	`MrJones`	`you are kidding right!!!`
`04:16.46`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`04:17.13`	`Patlabor221`	`what do you think the mouse moved`
`04:17.21`	`MrJones`	`i want a copy of your patch pleeze`
`04:17.29`	`Patlabor221`	`never said it was a patch`
`04:17.32`	`Patlabor221`	`just messing around`
`04:17.40`	`MrJones`	`its easy to make a patch though`
`04:17.51`	`Patlabor221`	`it's also cheating`
`04:17.58`	`Patlabor221`	`and I don't think I have it in bz aymore`
`04:18.06`	`Patlabor221`	`have it in the XL test apps`
`04:18.10`	`MrJones`	`you dont have to change the server?`
`04:18.15`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`04:18.19`	`Patlabor221`	`server does nothing`
`04:18.32`	`[STC]creeperz`	`sorry Pat`
`04:18.37`	`MrJones`	`what do you mean?`
`04:19.01`	`Patlabor221`	`server presnely does noting as far as user movement and/or fireing`
`04:19.04`	`Patlabor221`	`hence all the cheating`
`04:19.39`	`MrJones`	`i thought server had to referee all of the moves and actions`
`04:19.47`	`Patlabor221`	`well that would be nice`
`04:19.55`	`Patlabor221`	`then there would be a lot less cheating`
`04:19.58`	`Patlabor221`	`but right now it dosn't`
`04:20.26`	`MrJones`	`so people with different client versions perform slightly differently?`
`04:20.52`	`Patlabor221`	`if they send difrent data sure`
`04:21.06`	`MrJones`	`thats sad :(`
`04:21.09`	`Patlabor221`	`all a hacked client is, is just changes to the code`
`04:21.51`	`Patlabor221`	`thats why cheaters can kill you instantly`
`04:21.54`	`MrJones`	`so these really fast guys just change the code and the invincible guys dont report dieing?`
`04:21.57`	`Patlabor221`	`they just tell the server you are dead`
`04:22.04`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`04:22.32`	`MrJones`	`when you shoot someone does their client have to say he was hit?`
`04:22.40`	`[STC]creeperz`	`What does that mean though?`
`04:22.47`	`Patlabor221`	`what does what mean?`
`04:23.24`	`[STC]creeperz`	`So, the server reports that you are dead but are really alive?`
`04:23.29`	`MrJones`	`it means that if you know a little c programming, like most of us, you can cheat`
`04:23.36`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`04:23.44`	`Patlabor221`	`server says you got hit`
`04:23.51`	`Patlabor221`	`your standard client trusts the server`
`04:23.54`	`Patlabor221`	`you go "ok"`
`04:23.55`	`Patlabor221`	`and die`
`04:24.22`	`[STC]creeperz`	`So it doesn't report anyone dying that you have killed?`
`04:24.23`	`MrJones`	`i wish bzflag had fighter planes`
`04:24.42`	`[STC]creeperz`	`MechWarrior like players actually`
`04:24.47`	`Patlabor221`	`depends on the hack`
`04:24.57`	`Patlabor221`	`usualy the vulgar ones get you kicked`
`04:25.12`	`Patlabor221`	`so now it's jsut the "move me a little to the left when it looks like I"m gonna get hit"`
`04:25.15`	`MrJones`	`they can get you kicked?`
`04:25.19`	`[STC]creeperz`	`I liek to chase after cheaters when I am playing :-)`
`04:25.27`	`Patlabor221`	`play batelefield 1942 for planes`
`04:25.40`	`MrJones`	`is it a lot like this???`
`04:25.42`	`[STC]creeperz`	`battlefield 1942?`
`04:25.46`	`Patlabor221`	`to what make them just laugh at you more?`
`04:25.50`	`MrJones`	`yeah`
`04:26.02`	`[STC]creeperz`	`1942? Wasn't that the year of Pearl Harbor?`
`04:26.08`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`04:26.12`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a game`
`04:26.23`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Awesome`
`04:26.23`	`MrJones`	`is it a lot like bzflag?`
`04:26.34`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Against other players on the net?`
`04:26.42`	`Patlabor221`	`sure`
`04:27.30`	`MrJones`	`bzflag should have fighters, and tanks with aimable turrets in a future version`
`04:27.31`	`[STC]creeperz`	`You can hack the client so that your tank can move north (forward) and aim east?`
`04:28.10`	`Patlabor221`	`you can hack the client to tell the server that you shoot anywhere`
`04:28.23`	`Patlabor221`	`if it had all that it would't be BZflag :)`
`04:28.32`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Wow...And this information is based where?`
`04:29.14`	`MrJones`	`the offical bzflag cheaters guide :)`
`04:29.15`	`Patlabor221`	`what info?`
`04:29.18`	`Patlabor221`	`for the game?`
`04:29.23`	`Patlabor221`	`the thing is open source`
`04:29.28`	`Patlabor221`	`you can get the code`
`04:29.31`	`Patlabor221`	`just look at it`
`04:29.42`	`[STC]creeperz`	`From where?`
`04:29.45`	`MrJones`	`Use the source!`
`04:29.53`	`[STC]creeperz`	`WHAT SOURCE?`
`04:29.54`	`Patlabor221`	`www.bzflag.org`
`04:29.59`	`Patlabor221`	`the source code to the game`
`04:30.02`	`[STC]creeperz`	`I'm a computer idiot!`
`04:30.14`	`MrJones`	`do you use linux?`
`04:30.15`	`Patlabor221`	`it's an open project`
`04:30.25`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Windows ME`
`04:30.44`	`MrJones`	`ah then you probably wont do as much with source`
`04:30.54`	`Patlabor221`	`what do you say that jones?`
`04:30.55`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Go ahead, diss ME all yu want, I hate it! : )`
`04:31.10`	`MrJones`	`us linux people play with more source`
`04:31.27`	`MrJones`	`a lot of people that use linux use it for the source`
`04:31.30`	`Patlabor221`	`everyone who has an interst in changin sutff uses source`
`04:31.37`	`[STC]creeperz`	`so, how do I view "the source"?`
`04:31.38`	`Patlabor221`	`linux people just HAVE to`
`04:31.48`	`Patlabor221`	`it's text`
`04:31.51`	`Patlabor221`	`in C code`
`04:31.55`	`Patlabor221`	`c++ actualy`
`04:31.58`	`[STC]creeperz`	`How though?`
`04:32.08`	`Patlabor221`	`open it in a text editor`
`04:32.12`	`MrJones`	`STC, you might hate reading it, it gives me a headache`
`04:32.18`	`MrJones`	`read it in notepad`
`04:32.26`	`Patlabor221`	`well it is rather badly formated`
`04:32.28`	`[STC]creeperz`	`(i.e. Notepad?)`
`04:32.42`	`Patlabor221`	`that would be a text editor`
`04:33.10`	`MrJones`	`use notepad, wordpad, word, works, etc.. a lot can read text`
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`04:34.19`	`MrJones`	`well i g2g`
`04:34.24`	`MrJones`	`adios`
`04:34.30`	`Patlabor221`	`see ya`
`04:34.40`	`MrJones`	`and one more thing!`
`04:34.55`	`MrJones`	`~lart [STC]creeperz`
`04:35.02`	`MrJones`	`~lart [STC]creeperz`
`04:35.03`	`[STC]creeperz`	`~lart MrJones`
`04:35.05`	`Patlabor221`	`ohhhh someone wants to get baned`
`04:35.11`	`MrJones`	`~lart [STC]creeperz`
`04:35.16`	`MrJones`	`~lart [STC]creeperz`
`04:35.16`	`Patlabor221`	`he'll do it man`
`04:35.21`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Hey man, stop it`
`04:35.23`	`MrJones`	`~lart [STC]creeperz`
`04:35.28`	`MrJones`	`~lart [STC]creeperz`
`04:35.36`	`MrJones`	`~lart [STC]creeperz`
`04:35.43`	`MrJones`	`~lart [STC]creeperz`
`04:35.48`	`MrJones`	`~lart [STC]creeperz`
`04:35.53`	`MrJones`	`~lart [STC]creeperz`
`04:36.00`	`MrJones`	`~lart [STC]creeperz`
`04:36.05`	`MrJones`	`~lart [STC]creeperz`
`04:36.06`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Why can't Bill Gates take out the cntl+v to paste text??`
`04:36.11`	`MrJones`	`~lart [STC]creeperz`
`04:36.17`	`MrJones`	`~lart [STC]creeperz`
`04:36.22`	`MrJones`	`~lart [STC]creeperz`
`04:36.27`	`Patlabor221`	`you know your IP is loged right`
`04:36.29`	`BZFlag`	`alright. leave the bot alone.`
`04:36.30`	`MrJones`	`~lart [STC]creeperz`
`04:36.31`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Solaris 7?`
`04:36.41`	`Patlabor221`	`they were warned before`
`04:39.35`	`*** topic/#bzflag by BZFlag -> Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit \|\| rank: http://happypenguin.org/show?BZFlag \|\| bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ \|\| http://stats.bzflag.org/ \|\| http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html \|\| http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) \|\| http://happypenguin.org/ - interview Dec 7th`
`04:39.42`	`*** join/#bzflag CobraA1 (~CobraA1@68.114.204.70)`
`04:39.50`	`*** topic/#bzflag by BZFlag -> Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit \|\| bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ \|\| http://stats.bzflag.org/ \|\| http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html \|\| http://BZFlag.org 1.7e6 (Armoured Smashing Fist 2002) \|\| http://happypenguin.org/ - interview Dec 7th`
`04:39.57`	`[STC]creeperz`	`well I g2g to bed, lots of work to do tomorrow`
`04:40.04`	`[STC]creeperz`	`bye everyone`
`04:40.12`	`Patlabor221`	`doing what?`
`04:40.17`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Workin'`
`04:40.29`	`Patlabor221`	`on?`
`04:40.46`	`[STC]creeperz`	`A dump truck, then to a semi that a guy just brought in`
`04:41.07`	`Patlabor221`	`where do you live?`
`04:41.18`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Huron, South Dakota, USA`
`04:41.50`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Why?`
`04:41.55`	`Patlabor221`	`just curious`
`04:42.09`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Well, I gotta go`
`04:42.13`	`Patlabor221`	`see ya`
`04:42.14`	`[STC]creeperz`	`Later people`
`04:42.53`	`Patlabor221`	`I realy wish that steriotypes wern't true, but the allways seem to be :(`
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`05:48.33`	`MrApathyCream`	`e8 is released dec 7? cool!`
`05:49.54`	`BZFlag`	`huh? that's not what it says. ;-)`
`05:50.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`but, but, all the boys and girls... will be disappointed. -> Nothing under the tree!`
`05:50.57`	`captain_proton`	`dear santa,`
`05:51.15`	`captain_proton`	`all i want this year is a new version of my favorite computer game. i've been a very good boy.`
`05:51.33`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`05:51.42`	`Santa`	`captain_proton: how many patches have you sent in this year? ;-)`
`05:52.28`	`BZFlag`	`seriously, we should get a release out soon. I have so much going on though.`
`05:52.38`	`BZFlag`	`everyone happy with the new UI changes?`
`05:52.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`yup`
`05:52.56`	`MrApathyCream`	`been playin with it for a week now, seems ok`
`05:53.06`	`BZFlag`	`I wish I could get opacity into a menu someplace and have the changes take effect immediatly.`
`05:53.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`well, put on your red suit`
`05:53.37`	`captain_proton`	`BZFlag: i have an SDL version with joystick support sitting in subversion ;)`
`05:53.38`	`BZFlag`	`I liked the mp=3 default.`
`05:53.43`	`BZFlag`	`er mo=3`
`05:53.44`	`captain_proton`	`just waiting for e8 to come out <evil grin>`
`05:53.52`	`MrApathyCream`	`yup`
`05:54.20`	`MrApathyCream`	`world caching should be done now... needs testing... nudge, nudge`
`05:54.42`	`BZFlag`	`hmm. agreed. I should do some testing on that.`
`05:55.29`	`MrApathyCream`	`chestal's labels for roaming seem nice and innocent`
`05:55.41`	`captain_proton`	`MrApathyCream: akira admits its an ugly hack :)`
`05:56.03`	`MrApathyCream`	`but it works, and is only for roaming, is what i mean`
`05:56.11`	`BZFlag`	`how are they drawn? I have not yet looked at that one.`
`05:56.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`little names right under the tanks`
`05:56.45`	`BZFlag`	`as billboards? or as text overlays?`
`05:56.55`	`MrApathyCream`	`oh... dunno... looking`
`05:57.02`	`captain_proton`	`from what akira told me i think its text overlays`
`05:58.26`	`MrApathyCream`	`text overlays, yes`
`05:59.04`	`captain_proton`	`what is the config option to switch to non-pretty HUD?`
`05:59.28`	`MrApathyCream`	`Well, the cvs one is just opacity = 1`
`05:59.50`	`MrApathyCream`	`chestal/akira have a patch that is just a hugh mismash of stuff`
`06:01.05`	`captain_proton`	`aha, looks oogly :)`
`06:01.09`	`captain_proton`	`but good enough for me`
`06:01.16`	`MrApathyCream`	`BZFlag: wanna attempt any other cheat or tk prots in e8?`
`06:01.50`	`BZFlag`	`MrApathyCream: probably not. Things like that tend to need some testing.`
`06:01.51`	`MrApathyCream`	`captain_proton: i believe the message board only gets redrawn on new messages, nice for low fps`
`06:02.06`	`captain_proton`	`MrApathyCream: yeah there was some discussion of that`
`06:02.13`	`BZFlag`	`did someone revert my robot kill patch?`
`06:02.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`not i, did hear of anything`
`06:02.48`	`MrApathyCream`	`er, didn't`
`06:04.44`	`BZFlag`	`well, I guess I'll revert it just in case.`
`06:05.19`	`captain_proton`	`robot kill patch?`
`06:06.20`	`BZFlag`	`I moved the robot shot origin a bit to try to stop them from killing themselves so much.`
`06:06.42`	`BZFlag`	`it did not completely fix the issue, and there might be versioning network issues, so I just reverted it.`
`06:09.29`	`BZFlag`	`has the server based score patch been tested much?`
`06:09.44`	`MrApathyCream`	`just locally here with -solo`
`06:09.47`	`MrApathyCream`	`i can't run a server`
`06:12.15`	`BZFlag`	`does it fix the bot scoring? I don't recall what the current issue is... /me goes and tests...`
`06:13.32`	`BZFlag`	`a bot killing a bot does not get a point, though the dieing bot looses one. (current cvs)`
`06:15.49`	`MrApathyCream`	`seems like bots get the correct score. I didn't specifically address anything to do with bots`
`06:20.39`	`MrApathyCream`	`well, when bots kill other bots`
`06:20.59`	`MrApathyCream`	`was that server with the server score patch?`
`06:21.56`	`MrApathyCream`	`would be nice to fix the sw and l colors viewed by colorblind tanks`
`06:23.02`	`*** part/#bzflag CobraA1 (~CobraA1@68.114.204.70)`
`06:36.12`	`MrApathyCream`	`everyone sleepin?`
`06:43.47`	`BZFlag`	`restarting one with the server based scoring`
`06:44.09`	`MrApathyCream`	`mm`
`06:45.12`	`MrApathyCream`	`5157?`
`06:46.19`	`BZFlag`	`hmm. bzfs won't build without GL headers now. who broke that?`
`06:46.40`	`MrApathyCream`	`gl?`
`06:46.53`	`MrApathyCream`	`why would that be`
`06:49.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`#include "../src/bzflag/ShotPath.h" //ShotPath.h should be moved to include directory`
`06:49.26`	`MrApathyCream`	`maybe?`
`06:50.07`	`MrApathyCream`	`needed for ShotUpdatePLen`
`06:51.18`	`BZFlag`	`perhaps.`
`06:51.30`	`BZFlag`	`back in 20 or so.`
`06:51.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`k`
`07:06.35`	`BZFlag`	`scoring patch looks good, I reworked some of it, moved the team kill up inside the scoring, removed the duplicate dumpscores etc.`
`07:07.01`	`MrApathyCream`	`k`
`07:08.12`	`MrApathyCream`	`theoretically e8 clients could detect e8 servers and not send msgscore message. [that's not done]`
`07:16.02`	`BZFlag`	`might as well just fix it in a protocol breaking release.`
`07:16.10`	`MrApathyCream`	`k`
`07:17.18`	`MrApathyCream`	`I hope we plan on a series of protocol breaking releases.`
`07:22.15`	`BZFlag`	`I think that's likely.`
`07:24.23`	`MrApathyCream`	`good`
`07:28.20`	`MrApathyCream`	`do you think collision checking will ever work on the server?`
`07:30.20`	`BZFlag`	`yes. but not without a lot of work.`
`07:31.45`	`BZFlag`	`In file included from ../../include/OpenGLTexture.h:44,`
`07:31.45`	`BZFlag`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:31.45`	`BZFlag`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:31.45`	`BZFlag`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:31.45`	`BZFlag`	`../../include/bzfgl.h:34: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory`
`07:32.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`all we need is the constant, maybe that can be split out into separate .h`
`07:32.27`	`MrApathyCream`	`lessee`
`07:33.15`	`MrApathyCream`	`we could move ShotUpdate and FiringInfo to separate .h file in include`
`07:33.20`	`MrApathyCream`	`and then just include that`
`07:33.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`should fix`
`07:34.14`	`MrApathyCream`	`(Leave ShotPath class def in ShotPath.h)`
`07:36.24`	`BZFlag`	`yeah, I'm not coming up with a better plan.`
`07:37.25`	`MrApathyCream`	`working...`
`07:38.05`	`MrApathyCream`	`on sec`
`07:39.27`	`BZFlag`	`heh /me is compiling now.`
`07:40.20`	`MrApathyCream`	`oh, ok, heh`
`07:42.12`	`BZFlag`	`I only moved shotupdate.`
`07:42.25`	`MrApathyCream`	`k`
`07:43.28`	`BZFlag`	`hmm. should add a #ifdef though...`
`07:47.20`	`MrApathyCream`	`good, works on MS`
`07:55.08`	`MrApathyCream`	`i still vote for auto tk-er kicking... I think the peeps would like that`
`07:55.38`	`MrApathyCream`	`(and world caching)`
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`07:57.42`	`bomber_`	`moin`
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`09:58.00`	`captain_proton`	`BZFlag: why *printf instead of c(out\|err) ?`
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`10:09.05`	`ak\|ra`	`moin`
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`10:12.21`	`bomber_`	`moin akira`
`10:13.34`	`ak\|ra`	`moin bomber_`
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`10:44.23`	`Chestal`	`tag`
`10:48.06`	`ak\|ra`	`tag`
`10:48.24`	`ak\|ra`	`Chestal: ich hab ne e6er binary gebaut. funktioniert gut sagen die fantas`
`10:49.11`	`Chestal`	`fein`
`10:49.28`	`ak\|ra`	`kannst ja vielleicht dazu was in deinem patch-kommentar schreiben`
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`12:18.39`	`bzlynx`	`make config --with_K3 --zero_bullets --much teleporting`
`12:20.52`	`bzlynx`	`make install BZK3Flag`
`12:21.41`	`bzlynx`	`-- compiler error: option with_K3 is illegal`
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`13:55.03`	`sussudio`	`i hate users`
`13:56.19`	`Wilinckx`	`who do you NOT hate?`
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`14:08.31`	`rooter`	`ibot ducati`
`14:08.32`		`bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156`
`14:08.47`	`chsh[]`	`Wilinckx> that's a short list from what I gather, so short, he's having problems compiling the list`
`14:09.07`	`rooter`	`:) it wasn't working yesterday either`
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`14:13.53`	`Wilinckx`	`dmned, too difficult english for me :-(`
`14:16.16`	`MrApathyCream`	`babelfish is useless`
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`14:16.35`	`Chestal`	`not totally`
`14:16.46`	`yoyox`	`Hi -)`
`14:16.49`	`Chestal`	`hi yoyox`
`14:20.38`	`rooter`	`ducati is slow today`
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`14:22.38`	`bomber_`	`ibot ducati?`
`14:22.39`		`bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156`
`14:23.05`	`bomber_`	`bzbot where are you`
`14:23.20`	`bomber_`	`:o((((`
`14:27.40`	`sussudio`	`player root (Green team) is a tank:`
`14:27.40`	`sussudio`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:27.40`	`sussudio`	`player CARLO (Red team) is a tank:`
`14:27.40`	`sussudio`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:34.11`	`rooter`	`ducati is slow today`
`14:36.45`	`sussudio`	`the internet is screwed up`
`14:37.14`	`rooter`	`do you mean technically or in gerneral?`
`14:37.33`	`sussudio`	`intercontinental connections seem to be really lagged`
`14:38.11`	`rooter`	`i'm not having a problem with ducati`
`14:38.28`	`sussudio`	`<rooter> ducati is slow today`
`14:39.03`	`rooter`	`hmmm, i meant there is not many players`
`14:39.46`	`rooter`	`course i say that as my lag jumps over 500 :)`
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`14:57.53`	`bzlynx`	`Argh BZFlag with an MP3 background sound is really killing`
`14:58.07`	`bzlynx`	`you don't need bullets for it`
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`15:38.12`	`prodan`	`ibot ducati`
`15:38.12`		`bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156`
`15:38.32`	`prodan`	`CHESTAL: teamkiller green on ducati : saman`
`15:38.55`	`bzdoug`	`~bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156`
`15:39.38`	`bomber_`	`~bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156`
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`16:03.26`	`bomber_`	`hi tea`
`16:04.47`	`prodan`	`CHESTAL: teamkiller marmot and green jesus killer carrys own flag into red field (srry for the whining)`
`16:05.07`	`bzdoug`	`WAAAAAAA`
`16:05.08`	`bzdoug`	`:P`
`16:05.09`	`Chestal`	`prodan: I guess you already tried to talked to them?`
`16:16.45`	`bzdoug`	`happy now?`
`16:16.53`	`sussudio`	`~sud`
`16:16.53`		`Shut Up, Doug.`
`16:18.40`	`bzdoug`	`~quack`
`16:18.41`		`bzdoug: are you smoking crack?`
`16:18.47`	`bzdoug`	`~yup`
`16:18.47`		`no idea, bzdoug`
`16:19.21`	`bzdoug`	`yuo`
`16:19.25`	`bzdoug`	`~yup`
`16:19.25`		`well, I feel sorry for you`
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`16:21.35`	`bzbott`	`Hi everybody ! bzbott is back !:-)`
`16:21.51`	`bzdoug`	`bzbott: hi`
`16:21.52`	`bzbott`	`bzdoug , How do you usually introduce yourself?`
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`16:22.00`	`bzdoug`	`stupid`
`16:22.03`	`bomber_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:22.11`	`akira_`	`re`
`16:23.37`	`bomber_`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`16:35.43`	`bzdoug`	`'lo PatLabor221`
`16:36.02`	`PatLabor221`	`hello`
`16:47.12`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`ibot ducati`
`16:47.12`		`bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156`
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`17:17.42`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`hmm`
`17:17.44`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`i have probs with bz`
`17:18.48`	`bomber_`	`~bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156`
`17:21.30`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`bomber_ ???`
`17:21.34`	`bomber_`	`ja??`
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`17:50.03`	`Chestal`	`somebody speak perl here?`
`17:50.09`	`[dmp]`	`alittle`
`17:50.42`	`Chestal`	`I have @var and can iterate over it with foreach, but how do I get the number of elements in it without looping over them?`
`17:50.47`	`PatLabor221`	`what is the bztransform project?`
`17:51.46`	`Chestal`	`hmm, jsut use @var?`
`17:51.54`	`[dmp]`	`i think you can do this $num = @var; or $num = scalar @var;`
`17:52.11`	`scanline`	`yep`
`17:54.40`	`akira_`	`bye all`
`17:55.10`	`[dmp]`	`my good deed for today. whee. :-)`
`17:56.56`	`Chestal`	`another perl question, what is the easiest way to get only the gnurb part from /foo/bar/gna/gnurb?`
`17:57.06`	`Chestal`	`I can hacksomething up, but it's probably much easier to achieve`
`17:57.29`	`scanline`	`$mystring =~ /\/([^\/]+)$/;`
`17:57.30`	`scanline`	`I think`
`17:57.37`	`scanline`	`then $1 eq "gnurb"`
`18:00.02`	`Chestal`	`hmm, not quite`
`18:00.48`	`scanline`	`looks like it works:`
`18:00.53`	`scanline`	`micah@yoshi micah $ perl`
`18:00.53`	`scanline`	`$mystring="/foo/bar/gna/gnurb";`
`18:00.53`	`scanline`	`$mystring =~ /\/([^\/]+)$/;`
`18:00.53`	`scanline`	`print $1;`
`18:00.53`	`scanline`	`gnurb`
`18:02.43`	`Chestal`	`ah, $1?`
`18:02.46`	`scanline`	`yes`
`18:02.47`	`Chestal`	`I printed mystring`
`18:02.57`	`Chestal`	`so, mystrign is not modified?`
`18:03.01`	`scanline`	`right`
`18:03.17`	`scanline`	`it just matches that regex against mystring without modifying it, and it stores the part in parentheses to $1`
`18:03.23`	`Chestal`	`ok`
`18:06.36`	`rooter`	`~bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156`
`18:16.42`	`Chestal`	`another perl question. I got a hash Iiterate over, when I print each element, I get ARRAY(0x82ce0fc)`
`18:16.53`	`Chestal`	`so, I assuem each element is an array or hashor soemthing itself,probably a pair`
`18:17.11`	`Chestal`	`but just using $_[0] or $_[1] or similiar gives an empty string`
`18:18.51`	`Chestal`	`I found an example`
`18:19.17`	`scanline`	`use python :)`
`18:19.57`	`Chestal`	`I cannot`
`18:20.57`	`Chestal`	`corect syntax is $tuple->[0]`
`18:21.08`	`Chestal`	`I don't know why, but I'll use it anyway :-)`
`18:21.40`	`scanline`	`that looks right`
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`18:32.55`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`hmmmmmmm`
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`19:14.10`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`hmm`
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`19:20.16`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`I have a big problem`
`19:20.50`	`MrApathyCream`	`nickometer [KaMiLLe\|TeA]`
`19:21.33`	`MrApathyCream`	`ibot, nickometer [KaMiLLe\|TeA]`
`19:21.33`		`'[KaMiLLe\|TeA]' is 99.9592% lame, mrapathycream`
`19:21.38`	`MrApathyCream`	`is that it?`
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`20:01.21`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`there ?`
`20:01.21`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`bzflag ?`
`20:02.13`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`so the problem is when i start bzflag my screen just goes on standby lol and hardly cant get away from it only with f12 !`
`20:02.43`	`BZFlag`	`here.`
`20:03.04`	`BZFlag`	`OS? BZ version? video hardware? have you tried without audio?`
`20:03.23`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`xp`
`20:03.25`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`e6`
`20:03.34`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`gf 4 mx 420`
`20:03.54`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`no i havent tried it with out audio`
`20:04.04`	`MrApathyCream`	`what version of detonator driver?`
`20:04.44`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`i dunno what you mean`
`20:04.46`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`:)`
`20:05.23`	`MrApathyCream`	`the nvidia driver --> right click desktop, choose properties`
`20:05.48`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`jep`
`20:05.50`	`MrApathyCream`	`settings tab, advanced button`
`20:06.17`	`MrApathyCream`	`choose GeForce tab`
`20:06.32`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`ja`
`20:06.53`	`MrApathyCream`	`what's the version listed below in the table?`
`20:08.11`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`well`
`20:08.23`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`there quite alot off thing and the version is`
`20:08.41`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`6.13.10.2841`
`20:08.59`	`MrApathyCream`	`there's a 6.13.10.4072 out now`
`20:09.10`	`MrApathyCream`	`may not be your problem tho`
`20:09.19`	`MrApathyCream`	`But as your card is newerish....`
`20:09.52`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`i didnt had the prob before`
`20:09.55`	`MrApathyCream`	`anyway, you'll get a blank screen faster :)`
`20:10.00`	`MrApathyCream`	`ah`
`20:10.14`	`MrApathyCream`	`same setup?`
`20:10.19`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`only when i did whilst playing bz alt+tab the stanby came`
`20:10.19`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`yes`
`20:10.31`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`what do ya mean same setup`
`20:10.32`	`MrApathyCream`	`is this the installed version or a cvs built on`
`20:10.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`one`
`20:10.50`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`installed it form sf downloaded ..`
`20:10.58`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok`
`20:11.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`did you ever play with 1.8?`
`20:11.39`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`nope`
`20:11.47`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`on this pc nope`
`20:11.49`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`:)`
`20:11.51`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`and play didnt work`
`20:11.57`	`MrApathyCream`	`well, wouldn't hurt to delete the bzc file`
`20:12.02`	`MrApathyCream`	`although again, probably not the problem`
`20:12.04`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`bzc`
`20:12.06`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`hmm`
`20:12.06`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`k`
`20:12.10`	`MrApathyCream`	`lemme find it`
`20:12.11`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`oh man`
`20:12.13`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`k`
`20:12.14`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`np`
`20:12.20`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`got vnc ?`
`20:12.24`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`tight vnc?`
`20:12.36`	`sussudio`	`the 1.8 bzc is named differently.`
`20:12.58`	`MrApathyCream`	`it is now, but originally it wasn't`
`20:13.03`	`MrApathyCream`	`my bzc is in`
`20:13.04`	`MrApathyCream`	`C:\Documents and Settings\dave\My Documents`
`20:13.05`	`sussudio`	`:-\|`
`20:13.43`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`i found the bnc`
`20:13.47`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`bzc`
`20:13.57`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`1 min brb`
`20:13.58`	`MrApathyCream`	`delete and try again`
`20:15.11`	`MrApathyCream`	`oooh, even newer drivers are out: 12/3--> http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=winxp-2k_41.09`
`20:18.48`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`re`
`20:19.14`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`maybe i have to restart`
`20:19.22`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`becasue of standbye in bz`
`20:19.39`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`i just do start and reboot over cursor :)`
`20:19.40`	`MrApathyCream`	`so you just have a black screen now?`
`20:19.45`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`no wait`
`20:20.07`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`its working`
`20:20.09`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`:)`
`20:20.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`20:20.14`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`Thx alot MrApathy`
`20:20.16`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`:)`
`20:20.19`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`i dunno`
`20:20.29`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	do you know how do the patch`?
`20:20.31`	`MrApathyCream`	`not sure i really did anything`
`20:20.36`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`lol`
`20:20.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes`
`20:20.40`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`cool`
`20:20.42`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`i dont`
`20:20.46`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`:)`
`20:20.57`	`MrApathyCream`	`you need pull down the source and patch that, then recompile`
`20:21.06`	`MrApathyCream`	`so you need Microsoft VC`
`20:21.11`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`wait`
`20:21.14`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`i have the zip`
`20:21.21`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`akira-ches2`
`20:21.32`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`and what now?`
`20:21.40`	`MrApathyCream`	`well you need to compile the code`
`20:21.45`	`MrApathyCream`	`are you able to do that?`
`20:21.51`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`nope :o(`
`20:21.57`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`you must tell me`
`20:22.16`	`MrApathyCream`	`Ummm, well since their patch is posted on sourceforge, legally i spose i could send you a binary of it in.`
`20:22.22`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`th only thing i can do is a bit in qbasic and a bit on irc scipts making :o)`
`20:22.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`which i just happen to have already for winxp`
`20:22.43`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`then plz send it to me`
`20:22.48`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`and were shall i save it ?`
`20:22.56`	`MrApathyCream`	`i'll send you an installer`
`20:23.00`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`k`
`20:23.06`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`what is that?`
`20:23.12`	`MrApathyCream`	`huh?`
`20:23.18`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`never mind`
`20:23.21`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`were shall i save it?`
`20:23.22`	`MrApathyCream`	`where to?`
`20:23.26`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`yep`
`20:23.31`	`MrApathyCream`	`doesn't matter where you save it`
`20:23.35`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`oh`
`20:23.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`anywhere`
`20:23.35`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`k`
`20:23.37`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`send`
`20:23.37`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`;)`
`20:23.40`	`MrApathyCream`	`what email?`
`20:24.20`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`NickyPook@web.de`
`20:24.38`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`20:24.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok, give me a min`
`20:24.44`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`there you go`
`20:24.46`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`k`
`20:25.13`	`sussudio`	`poopypants@web.de was already taken?`
`20:25.26`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`lol`
`20:25.40`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`why poopypants?`
`20:27.58`	`MrApathyCream`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]: sending but i have a slow modem, so it will be a few`
`20:28.27`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`oh`
`20:28.29`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`56k ?`
`20:28.30`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`;)`
`20:28.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`yup`
`20:28.44`	`MrApathyCream`	`10% so far`
`20:29.02`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`ui`
`20:30.09`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`20%`
`20:30.12`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`?`
`20:30.41`	`MrApathyCream`	`21%!!!!`
`20:30.55`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`wowwwwwwww`
`20:30.58`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`so fast`
`20:30.59`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`;)`
`20:31.10`	`MrApathyCream`	`spe deee`
`20:31.17`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`lol`
`20:32.03`	`BZFlag`	`MrApathyCream: yep as long as the patch is available, binaries can be distributed.`
`20:32.26`	`BZFlag`	`so the resolution was that something in the bzc was causing crashing?`
`20:32.47`	`MrApathyCream`	`not sure.... i think he just smacked the monitor a few times`
`20:34.55`	`MrApathyCream`	`someone needs to put a wap interface on chat protocol`
`20:35.05`	`MrApathyCream`	`so i can pretend to work all day`
`20:35.21`	`[KaMiLLe\|TeA]`	`60%*`
`20:35.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`sheessh now your talking crazy!`
`20:35.40`	`MrApathyCream`	`51`
`20:37.04`	`BZFlag`	`wap interface?`
`20:37.43`	`BZFlag`	`to gateway to you 2 way pager or something?`
`20:38.33`	`MrApathyCream`	`cell phone`
`20:38.41`	`MrApathyCream`	`can't get xchat at work -- firewall`
`20:41.19`	`BZFlag`	`MrApathyCream: ssh port forwarding is your friend. ;-)`
`20:42.01`	`MrApathyCream`	`just need a webserver that does xchat -> wml (xml) conversion`
`20:43.10`	`MrApathyCream`	`yeah, i spose... I would need a port on the outside tho, which i don't have at the moment`
`20:49.44`	`*** join/#bzflag Baa5930 (~cce486ba@chat.ircnet.org)`
`20:49.53`	`BZFlag`	`http://chat.ircnet.org/`
`20:50.09`	`Baa5930`	`BZFlag shows off web IRC.`
`20:50.35`	`BZFlagCGIIRC`	`booga booga`
`20:51.17`	`MrApathyCream`	`nifty, i still don't want to go thru BigBrother's router, tho`
`20:56.43`	`*** join/#bzflag MrCooper (~daenzer@dclient80-218-112-135.hispeed.ch)`
`20:57.03`	`BZFlag`	`http://schumann.cx/ircg/`
`20:57.53`	`MrApathyCream`	`now that's nifty`
`20:58.23`	`Chestal`	`hi MAC, BZFlag`
`20:58.30`	`Chestal`	`did you take a look at my labels patch?`
`20:58.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`i did, nice`
`20:58.50`	`Chestal`	`akira would prefer white labels instead of team colored ones`
`20:59.08`	`Chestal`	`I'm not quite sure, maybe do both? and 'L' toggles through none, white, colored?`
`20:59.23`	`MrApathyCream`	`can't use 'L' tho`
`20:59.29`	`MrApathyCream`	`had to remap to something else`
`21:00.49`	`Chestal`	`yes, 'L' is alternative key foridentify (right mosue button)`
`21:01.07`	`Chestal`	`mypatch remaps that to 'I', but I do not insist of using 'L', just thought it a logical key to use`
`21:01.20`	`MrApathyCream`	`--running out of keys-- heh`
`21:01.41`	`Chestal`	`peopel were asking to be able to toggle the display of flags on radar`
`21:01.59`	`Chestal`	`I do not need it, but obviously there are quite a few who do`
`21:02.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`yeah, i've heard that too, surprised`
`21:03.40`	`MrApathyCream`	`we should fix SW and L colors showing up when color blind, me thinks.`
`21:03.53`	`Chestal`	`oh,they show up? didn't know this`
`21:03.56`	`Chestal`	`yes,should be fixed`
`21:04.09`	`Chestal`	`or,hmm,I am confused`
`21:04.14`	`Chestal`	`what happens with normal shots?`
`21:04.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`they are yellow`
`21:04.26`	`BZFlag`	`MrApathyCream: on radar or on screen?`
`21:04.29`	`Chestal`	`ok, then this has to be fixed`
`21:04.31`	`MrApathyCream`	`on screen`
`21:04.50`	`MrApathyCream`	`not sure about radar.`
`21:05.53`	`Chestal`	`hmm, I think the font sizes and size of the mouse area is right now calculated by taking the window height into consideration`
`21:06.02`	`Chestal`	`mayeb we shoudl switch to the window width`
`21:06.16`	`Chestal`	`I find it a little straneg that right now fonts get smaller when I use opacity=1.0`
`21:06.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`yeah, width makes sense`
`21:06.41`	`MrApathyCream`	`me thinks`
`21:09.10`	`BZFlag`	`join me on one to test?`
`21:09.59`	`BZFlag`	`Chestal: well, the display area got smaller, shouldn't the fonts also?`
`21:10.17`	`MrApathyCream`	`one.bzflag?`
`21:10.55`	`BZFlag`	`yeah`
`21:10.59`	`Chestal`	`BZflag: but you onle loose a little sky and ground, the horizontal view area is the same`
`21:21.06`	`*** join/#bzflag M_A_C (dbrosius@209.195.250.68)`
`21:21.47`	`M_A_C`	`dang the string fell out of my tin can, and i lost the connection`
`21:25.44`	`MrApathyCream`	`--can't get in now-- sniff`
`21:25.56`	`Chestal`	`one?`
`21:26.03`	`Chestal`	`when I left you were already on`
`21:27.00`	`MrApathyCream`	`i was there, but my connection dropped`
`21:27.10`	`MrApathyCream`	`anyway, on screen, yes the colors show`
`21:27.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`didn't check radar`
`21:27.23`	`Chestal`	`radar is ok, 3d needs to be fixed`
`21:27.31`	`MrApathyCream`	`yeah, makes sense`
`21:27.33`	`Chestal`	`I assume that Ti is already working on it`
`21:27.41`	`*** join/#bzflag scanline (~micah@aden2-142-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU)`
`21:27.47`	`BZFlag`	`yep.`
`21:27.48`	`MrApathyCream`	`good guess ;)`
`21:28.36`	`Chestal`	`I am still not sure I like the new look. I do not need the panel back, but two issues:`
`21:29.04`	`Chestal`	`1) maybe there should be some space between radar/message/3d, I also think the border in team colour hurts the eyes`
`21:29.43`	`Chestal`	`2) the 3/4 for3D, 1/4 for radar/mesage area with opacity=1.0 gives a larger 3D area (and a larger radar I think) than e4`
`21:29.50`	`MrApathyCream`	`just set borderColor 1 1 1 in bzc`
`21:29.53`	`Chestal`	`the larger 3d makes it slwoer for me`
`21:30.00`	`MrApathyCream`	`<just kiddin> ;)`
`21:30.28`	`Chestal`	`it came to my mind that we should maybe try and make the vertical size adjustable`
`21:30.45`	`Chestal`	`imagine you'd have a key which would let you move the border between 3d and radar/mesage area`
`21:31.26`	`Chestal`	`I guess it should even be easy to do,maybe I'll just try it`
`21:31.49`	`MrApathyCream`	`make it alt-shift-tab up arrow/down arrow ;)`
`21:32.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`what fps do you get with e4: and e6:?`
`21:32.21`	`Chestal`	`need to work on timed games in the server`
`21:32.33`	`Chestal`	`MAC: wel, it depends of course`
`21:32.47`	`Chestal`	`let me try which maximum fps I get, when there's nothing in view`
`21:34.46`	`Chestal`	`about 67 with e4 and 58 with e6`
`21:34.52`	`MrApathyCream`	`mm`
`21:35.05`	`Chestal`	`that's at 800x600 with everythign set to fast and a view which shows nothing bot the border of the arena`
`21:35.16`	`MrApathyCream`	`how bout e7 opacity = 1`
`21:35.20`	`Chestal`	`lazy drawing of the message area helped a lot, before it was like 48 with e6`
`21:35.23`	`BZFlag`	`Chestal: e4 should be 3/4 as well, no?`
`21:35.25`	`Chestal`	`eh, e7`
`21:35.30`	`Chestal`	`I am tlakign of CVS code with oapcity=1.0`
`21:35.33`	`Chestal`	`e6 ismuch worse`
`21:35.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`oh, ok`
`21:35.49`	`Chestal`	`bzflag: no, 3D area in e4 is smalelr than in e7/op=1.0`
`21:36.09`	`Chestal`	`bzflag: and because the panel and the unsued status area wastes a lot of space, the radare is also a little smaller`
`21:36.19`	`Chestal`	`let me fire them both up in a window, just a moment`
`21:36.36`	`Chestal`	`hmm, have to recompile`
`21:36.59`	`BZFlag`	`yes, I expect the radar and msg areas are bigger. but I would expect the 3d to be the same as the old.`
`21:37.15`	`Chestal`	`I'll fire them up next to each other, takes some minutes to compile`
`21:37.27`	`MrApathyCream`	`how bout, infinitely scaled radar views with 1 and 2 keys--> frees up key 3`
`21:37.47`	`Chestal`	`hmm?`
`21:38.21`	`Chestal`	`what about an xmas release? :-)`
`21:38.25`	`MrApathyCream`	`zoom in/zoom out, as opposed to 3 settings`
`21:38.28`	`captain_proton`	`MrApathyCream: perhaps 4 & 5 to zoom the radar - we had such a thing in 1.8`
`21:38.29`	`MrApathyCream`	`hehe`
`21:38.43`	`Chestal`	`yes, 1,2 and 3 must stay`
`21:38.46`	`MrApathyCream`	`captain_proton lurks`
`21:38.46`	`Chestal`	`zooming is too slow`
`21:38.46`	`captain_proton`	`i like the 3 presets we've got now - good default ranges`
`21:39.00`	`Chestal`	`zooming coudl be easily added,though`
`21:39.06`	`Chestal`	`not as easy as in 1.8, but still easy`
`21:39.17`	`Chestal`	`in 1.8 it was possible without a single line of code :-)`
`21:39.26`	`captain_proton`	`we need to backport BZDB - something for post-e8`
`21:40.22`	`Chestal`	`I would also like to be the man pages and the ingame-help to b eup to date`
`21:40.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`there goes christmas`
`21:40.36`	`Chestal`	`not sure that something is missing or wrogn there, but for the ingame help I would assume it is`
`21:40.39`	`MrApathyCream`	`;)`
`21:40.53`	`captain_proton`	`MrApathyCream: post-e8`
`21:41.01`	`Chestal`	`I also forgot to adjust the man pages in my labels patch`
`21:41.06`	`Chestal`	`suicide key probably not documented either?`
`21:41.10`	`Chestal`	`or SILENCE?`
`21:41.11`	`MrApathyCream`	`i meant the help... was just kiddin`
`21:41.23`	`MrApathyCream`	`probably not`
`21:41.28`	`Chestal`	`and e8 should come with txt or HTML versions of the man pages for Windows`
`21:42.05`	`Chestal`	`I don't really know what's in the help screens, I assume it's only the basics?`
`21:42.06`	`MrApathyCream`	`can we just use html and drop man? [the crowd booooos MrApathyCream of the stage]`
`21:42.18`	`Chestal`	`ah,man pages are great`
`21:42.32`	`Chestal`	`html can be easily generated from the man pages`
`21:42.33`	`MrApathyCream`	`i personally never use them`
`21:42.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`;)`
`21:42.37`	`*** join/#bzflag Cell (alton@pD9E50F42.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`21:42.44`	`Cell`	`bah`
`21:43.02`	`Chestal`	`starting e4...`
`21:43.20`	`Chestal`	`starting e7...`
`21:43.40`	`Chestal`	`running at 640x480 both`
`21:44.16`	`Chestal`	`the border between 3d/radar in e7 is at about the same height as the inner radar border of e4`
`21:44.44`	`Chestal`	`above that inner border there is more broders and the useless status area`
`21:45.19`	`Chestal`	`so it's about 32 pixels difference in vertical 3D size at that resolution`
`21:46.18`	`Chestal`	`the outer mouse box is significantly larger in e4`
`21:47.52`	`BZFlag`	`join me on one again for testing?`
`21:48.27`	`Chestal`	`just a sec`
`21:49.28`	`Chestal`	`http://www.home.unix-ag.org/thilo/bzflag/shot.png`
`21:49.31`	`Chestal`	`coming...`
`21:49.45`	`MrApathyCream`	`currently downloading nvidia driver [no bandwidth]`
`21:55.56`	`BZFlag`	`k, L/SW shot color fixed in cvs`
`21:56.05`	`MrApathyCream`	`kul`
`21:57.13`	`Chestal`	`BZFlag: btw., is a -2 score change intended when you kill a teammate and thus die?`
`21:58.23`	`BZFlag`	`Chestal: nope, that's just the way it had to be till we did the server based scoring.`
`21:58.31`	`BZFlag`	`it's not that way in cvs.`
`21:58.51`	`BZFlag`	`with or without tk you just loose one point now.`
`21:58.56`	`BZFlag`	`try it on one`
`21:59.54`	`BZFlag`	`Chestal: so in e4-- 3d was about 2/3 ?`
`21:59.58`	`Chestal`	`hmm, I tried it about a week ago with CVS client and server`
`22:00.11`	`MrApathyCream`	`just went in last nite`
`22:01.16`	`Chestal`	`hmm, Panelratio was 0.2`
`22:01.36`	`Chestal`	`that is, vertical space taken up by panel is width*0.2`
`22:01.51`	`Chestal`	`assuming an 4/3 aspect ratio this results in...`
`22:02.19`	`Chestal`	`about 73% for 3D area`
`22:02.45`	`Chestal`	`don't know if this includes the status area`
`22:02.51`	`Chestal`	`so, it might be more like 65-70%`
`22:03.37`	`Chestal`	`le't smeasure those pixels :-)`
`22:04.39`	`Chestal`	`324 pixels at 640x480, that's 67.5%`
`22:09.20`	`Chestal`	`ah, the actual panel ratio is calculated based on the real panel.rgb image`
`22:09.26`	`Chestal`	`that exaplains the difference`
`22:10.02`	`MrApathyCream`	`the way that panel.rgb works is scary`
`22:10.12`	`MrApathyCream`	`embedded coords in picture data, shudder`
`22:10.56`	`Chestal`	`so, what about the world cache? is it finished?`
`22:11.15`	`MrApathyCream`	`should be`
`22:11.27`	`MrApathyCream`	`just needs water .... and some testing`
`22:11.38`	`Chestal`	`I guess I'll try it soon`
`22:11.52`	`Chestal`	`does it cache random worlds now? and does it have expiration?`
`22:12.07`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes, random worlds are given a mod date of 1900`
`22:12.11`	`MrApathyCream`	`so they go first`
`22:12.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`well, on *nix is 1969 i think, but anyway it's old`
`22:12.52`	`Chestal`	`not as old as you ;-)`
`22:12.57`	`MrApathyCream`	`when you go over a disk size threshold it chucks them`
`22:13.02`	`MrApathyCream`	`no, how could it be`
`22:13.27`	`Chestal`	`added self destruct to man page`
`22:13.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`kul`
`22:14.44`	`Chestal`	`BZFlag: so, what about the missing options in the menus: opacity, colored shots on radar, shot size on radar, maybe font size`
`22:15.36`	`Chestal`	`has the server based scoring been tested yet?`
`22:16.04`	`MrApathyCream`	`well, i have with -solo and tim did some`
`22:16.14`	`MrApathyCream`	`Not sure about general server testing tho`
`22:16.24`	`Chestal`	`I'll use newest CVS code for ducati as soon as it is empty`
`22:16.36`	`MrApathyCream`	`good`
`22:17.49`	`Chestal`	`hmm, maybe /idlestats should exclude observers?`
`22:18.49`	`MrApathyCream`	`either-or,`
`22:19.22`	`Chestal`	`all it shows is how long they have been logged in`
`22:19.35`	`Chestal`	`but it distracts when you want to quickly see which players are idling`
`22:19.39`	`MrApathyCream`	`exclude then`
`22:21.14`	`Chestal`	`maybe we should make it possible to choose to be an Observer via the Menu?`
`22:21.20`	`Chestal`	`it woudl than automatically add the @`
`22:21.59`	`MrApathyCream`	`that would be real nice`
`22:22.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`especially if your callsign is "Guy_who_likes_to_have_really_long_names"`
`22:23.09`	`Chestal`	`alternatively, implement realcommand line editing :-)`
`22:24.05`	`Chestal`	`simply add an addiotnal line to the join game menu?`
`22:24.13`	`Chestal`	`let's you toggle between player / observer?`
`22:24.19`	`MrApathyCream`	`fine by me`
`22:24.45`	`Chestal`	`hmm, should the Callsign display Ches or @Ches`
`22:25.16`	`Chestal`	`for the next protocol breakign version, obserevrs should be handled differently anyway`
`22:25.44`	`MrApathyCream`	`i would suppose just Ches, but either way is fine by me`
`22:27.02`	`Chestal`	`I could smuggle myself into the Credits display :-)`
`22:27.09`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`22:27.36`	`MrApathyCream`	`stick us all in.... with a special key combination`
`22:27.45`	`bzdoug`	`YEA!`
`22:27.58`	`MrApathyCream`	`well, ok, not doug`
`22:28.07`	`MrApathyCream`	`;)`
`22:28.10`	`bzdoug`	`~lart mr`
`22:28.21`	`bzdoug`	`:P`
`22:28.22`	`captain_proton`	`Chestal: would be nice if it had a little observer symbol next to their name instead of '@'`
`22:28.33`	`captain_proton`	`or had their names separated out in the score list`
`22:28.38`	`bzdoug`	`like glasses or a magnifying glass?`
`22:28.45`	`bzdoug`	`~lart MAC`
`22:29.32`	`MrApathyCream`	`or maybe not even show?`
`22:29.46`	`Chestal`	`proton: hmm, I'll start with the menu item for now, but I agree on the scoreboard`
`22:30.00`	`Chestal`	`e6 did away with the quit players in the scoreboard?`
`22:30.07`	`captain_proton`	`Chestal: yep`
`22:30.07`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes`
`22:30.20`	`Chestal`	`it's still stored, but no way to display it`
`22:30.37`	`Chestal`	`hmm, what's a good Name for the menu entry`
`22:30.47`	`Chestal`	`Type: [Player / Observer]`
`22:30.52`	`Chestal`	`can you think of something better?`
`22:30.54`	`bzdoug`	`thats good`
`22:31.17`	`Chestal`	`how was it done in e8?`
`22:31.19`	`Chestal`	`eh, 1.8`
`22:31.19`	`MrApathyCream`	`fine`
`22:32.16`	`BZFlag`	`observer should be a team.`
`22:32.41`	`bzdoug`	`BZFlag: indeed`
`22:33.35`	`Chestal`	`yes, it probably should`
`22:33.45`	`Chestal`	`but that causes some problems with current implementation`
`22:33.59`	`Chestal`	`obsevrers still need to be in a team right now`
`22:34.07`	`BZFlag`	`I'm fine with nuking the player history since we don't show it.`
`22:34.26`	`BZFlag`	`right, we'l change observers after e8`
`22:34.28`	`Chestal`	`internally it will work with the @ hackin e8, but I just want to give it an easier access`
`22:34.39`	`Chestal`	`it's cumbersome right now`
`22:34.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`does the server still try to hook up connecting players to players that have left?`
`22:34.56`	`BZFlag`	`I'm saying don't bother cause we'll change it in the next release anyway.`
`22:35.09`	`BZFlag`	`MrApathyCream: don't know.`
`22:35.31`	`MrApathyCream`	`hmm, maybe it wasn't the server that did that, maybe the client.... i forget`
`22:35.36`	`BZFlag`	`next release I plan to kill the reconnect and change playerids to ints as per 1.8`
`22:35.37`	`*** join/#bzflag xxxxxxxx (~d8088474@chat.ircnet.org)`
`22:35.45`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes.`
`22:35.58`	`*** join/#bzflag jneves (~Really@a213-22-85-46.netcabo.pt)`
`22:36.07`	`MrApathyCream`	`is captain_proton kicking xxx?`
`22:36.20`	`bzdoug`	`lol`
`22:36.50`	`Chestal`	`BZFlag: so, what about the missing options in the menus: opacity, colored shots on radar, shot size on radar, maybe font size`
`22:37.21`	`Chestal`	`anyone volunteering to add SILENCE to man page?`
`22:37.36`	`MrApathyCream`	`and UNSILENCE`
`22:37.59`	`Chestal`	`I'lldothat when you do the other first :-)`
`22:38.12`	`MrApathyCream`	`hehe`
`22:38.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`i would but i can't test the man pages`
`22:38.58`	`BZFlag`	`Chestal: those that work on the fly can be added provided the fonts are no smaller.`
`22:39.49`	`Chestal`	`bzflag: for the gui patch I did for e6 I created a new submenu options->GUI options (name is debatable)`
`22:40.15`	`BZFlag`	`Chestal: agreed. I'd like to see something like that.`
`22:40.18`	`Chestal`	`moved enhanced radar there and added the other options, all working on the fly except for the panel thingy, but I'm not including that anyway`
`22:40.39`	`Chestal`	`ok, I'll hack on it`
`22:40.47`	`BZFlag`	`opacity should work on the fly except for 1.0 resizing.`
`22:40.55`	`MrApathyCream`	`panel thingy controled by opacity anyway`
`22:41.03`	`BZFlag`	`if you change screen resolution then it takes effect.`
`22:41.07`	`Chestal`	`hmm, yes, the resizing, good question`
`22:41.51`	`BZFlag`	`so feel free to add it to a menu, then we can try to track down getting it to take effect immediately afterwards.`
`22:41.52`	`Chestal`	`so, MainWindow::resize is called when you change resolutions only?`
`22:41.58`	`Chestal`	`or when resizing a windowed gaem Iguess`
`22:41.58`	`BZFlag`	`perhaps.`
`22:42.05`	`Chestal`	`ok`
`22:42.21`	`BZFlag`	`I tried adding a forced resize() but that did not work.`
`22:42.38`	`Chestal`	`bzflaG: did you take a look at the screenshot?`
`22:42.52`	`BZFlag`	`I suspect there is a check someplace in one of the resize()s to see if the resolution actually changed and do nothing otherwise.`
`22:43.05`	`BZFlag`	`Chestal: nope, which?`
`22:43.11`	`Chestal`	`BZFlag: http://www.home.unix-ag.org/thilo/bzflag/shot.png`
`22:43.20`	`Chestal`	`left: CVS, right: e4`
`22:43.23`	`Chestal`	`at 640x480`
`22:44.26`	`BZFlag`	`so you think we should shrink 3d a bit more?`
`22:45.44`	`Chestal`	`well, maybe, not too sure`
`22:45.52`	`Chestal`	`I think I'll jsut experiment with it a little`
`22:46.10`	`Chestal`	`could even be possible to adjust it with a key,dont know how well this would work`
`22:46.29`	`Chestal`	`hmm, e6 patch had distinct translucency values for radar and message area`
`22:46.32`	`Chestal`	`is that useful?`
`22:47.00`	`BZFlag`	`ControlPanel::resize could change radarSize = h / 4.0f; and that's all that's needed.`
`22:47.32`	`MrApathyCream`	`distinct translucency: i say no need`
`22:47.33`	`BZFlag`	`Chestal: one opacity is fine with me.`
`22:48.00`	`bzdoug`	`my favorite webcam: http://www.iowafarmer.com/corncam/corn.html`
`22:50.12`	`BZFlag`	`looks like radarSize = h / 3.0f is about what e4 had.`
`22:51.58`	`*** join/#bzflag galaxyguy (~421ecd28@chat.ircnet.org)`
`22:52.02`	`BZFlag`	`key adjust radar sizing would work if we could figure out how to get resize() to get called.`
`22:52.02`	`Chestal`	`approx., at least for 4/3 screens`
`22:52.32`	`BZFlag`	`radar stays square now for non 4x3 screens`
`22:54.20`	`Chestal`	`hmm, opacity is handled differently from other settings`
`22:54.35`	`Chestal`	`radar and controlpanel access it directly via the resource`
`22:54.51`	`Chestal`	`other settings are stored in the scenerenderer and queried there`
`22:55.06`	`MrApathyCream`	`just ignorance i think on my part`
`22:55.48`	`Chestal`	`well, I'm not sure`
`22:56.01`	`Chestal`	`most settings in Scene Rednerer affect the rendering itself, like texture settings`
`22:56.07`	`Chestal`	`but enhanced radar is also in there`
`22:56.35`	`Chestal`	`I guess I'll put the opacity in there, too, then`
`23:00.39`	`Chestal`	`can you resume it if connection breaks?`
`23:00.52`	`MrApathyCream`	`hahahahahahahahahahahahaha`
`23:06.26`	`BZFlag`	`Chestal: opacity in the scenerenderer is fine by me.`
`23:07.01`	`BZFlag`	`MrApathyCream: it's shameful how he treats "his developers"`
`23:08.36`	`MrApathyCream`	`it is!`
`23:08.54`	`MrApathyCream`	`I'd be his be-otch for cheap too!`
`23:10.21`	`bzdoug`	`RCAM?`
`23:13.57`	`*** join/#bzflag PatLabor221 (~jeffm@gibbscam.com)`
`23:14.12`	`bzdoug`	`'lo PatLabor221`
`23:14.16`	`PatLabor221`	`hello`
`23:14.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`unfortunately my choices are isdn, satellite or bonded modems`
`23:14.42`	`PatLabor221`	`our entire company is not jurry rigged on the internet, using just a DSL router :)`
`23:14.44`	`bzdoug`	`ick`
`23:15.09`	`MrApathyCream`	`bzdoug: RCAM: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=543917&group_id=3248&atid=303248`
`23:15.23`	`PatLabor221`	`and it's faster then or old stuff :)`
`23:15.31`	`bzdoug`	`ah`
`23:18.44`	`Chestal`	`adding new menu items is quite cumbersome, oh well`
`23:19.48`	`MrApathyCream`	`at least some one put in that next->previous looping code, before it was all enumerated`
`23:19.53`	`MrApathyCream`	`next[1] = 2;`
`23:19.59`	`MrApathyCream`	`next[2] = 3;`
`23:19.59`	`MrApathyCream`	`etc, etc.`
`23:20.34`	`Chestal`	`the previous scheme allowed for some funny things :-)`
`23:20.51`	`MrApathyCream`	`yup`
`23:25.08`	`Chestal`	`getting late here`
`23:27.22`	`MrApathyCream`	`gute Nacht`
`23:28.26`	`Chestal`	`not yet`
`23:30.06`	`Chestal`	`hmm, it crashes`
`23:35.39`	`Chestal`	`strange`
`23:38.41`	`Chestal`	`uh, that's evil`
`23:39.10`	`Chestal`	`dowe keepthe UDP option?`
`23:41.05`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes, some can't use it`
`23:42.53`	`*** join/#bzflag MrCooper (~daenzer@dclient80-218-112-135.hispeed.ch) [NETSPLIT VICTIM]`
`23:50.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`wow my 3 hour download actually completed!`

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