| 00:02.21 | fiberchunks | I just did install new fw...I can't remember if I had the problem during the old fw rev...:( I suppose I could downgrade and try again |
| 00:02.54 | fiberchunks | that should, however, work just fine correct? |
| 00:03.37 | fiberchunks | it works good about 5 minutes, then I go nr.. |
| 00:04.22 | captain_proton | NAT should work fine, yes |
| 00:05.05 | fiberchunks | captain_proton: k, thx...btw, you use *nix? |
| 00:05.45 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: yep |
| 00:07.13 | fiberchunks | captain_proton: I've got a bunch of directories and files that have the following format: Axxxx_Axxxx, or Axxxx Axxxx, and I want to strip whitespace and convert to all lowercase and rename the files, how can I accomplish this? |
| 00:07.50 | fiberchunks | looked at tr, but can't figure out how to apply it to rename files |
| 00:12.51 | fiberchunks | any idea? |
| 00:18.49 | captain_proton | easiest method is to probably use sed |
| 00:18.55 | captain_proton | you know about ``? |
| 00:20.35 | fiberchunks | no I don't |
| 00:21.22 | fiberchunks | what man page, or package is that from, sed? |
| 00:21.44 | fiberchunks | so's I don't waste your time :) |
| 00:23.47 | Patlabor221 | caP: I went out and got a gamecube :( |
| 01:15.07 | BZFlag | fiberchunks: I'm behind NAT here and it works fine. at work as well. |
| 01:16.40 | BZFlag | fiberchunks: for a in `find . -type f -name \*[A-Z]\*` ; do mv $a `echo $a | tr A-Z a-z` ; done |
| 01:16.49 | BZFlag | that will not handle the spaces though. |
| 01:47.30 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@mxfcl1x5.chesco.com) |
| 01:49.29 | fiberchunks | BZFlag: thanks very much :) |
| 01:52.17 | fiberchunks | BZFlag: are there any ports I would need to open on the router, or forwarding involved for 2 machines on my lan, or should the default settings work? |
| 02:02.53 | *** join/#bzflag jzaun (~jzaun@jzaun.static.telerama.com) |
| 02:03.17 | jzaun | Hello all |
| 02:03.23 | jzaun | captain_proton: you around? |
| 02:12.08 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@dsl-65-184-182-9.telocity.com) |
| 02:16.07 | *** join/#bzflag xxxxxxxx (~d8088177@chat.ircnet.org) |
| 02:20.40 | *** join/#bzflag Demitri (Demitri@AC823E71.ipt.aol.com) |
| 02:21.04 | Demitri | never knew this place exist |
| 02:21.21 | Patlabor221 | does it? |
| 02:21.30 | Demitri | dunno |
| 02:21.42 | Patlabor221 | some times it seems like a dream |
| 02:21.43 | Widget | On alternate Sundays, yes. |
| 02:21.59 | Demitri | I can't go on nexus =( |
| 02:22.09 | Patlabor221 | so am I just hulucinating again widget? |
| 02:22.25 | Demitri | does nexon work on weekend? |
| 02:22.31 | Patlabor221 | who? |
| 02:22.51 | Demitri | nm |
| 02:23.17 | Patlabor221 | 2d diablo type MUD right? |
| 02:23.30 | Demitri | ya |
| 02:23.40 | Patlabor221 | ohh yeah that's the Chibi one |
| 02:23.48 | Demitri | chibi?? |
| 02:24.04 | Patlabor221 | large eye's little mouth |
| 02:24.27 | Patlabor221 | ohh they picked up shadderd galaxy, that's good for them |
| 02:24.30 | Demitri | oh |
| 02:24.47 | Demitri | does paypal work on weekend? |
| 02:24.55 | Patlabor221 | remember when they won the IGDC awwards |
| 02:25.02 | Patlabor221 | yes paypall works 24 7 |
| 02:25.25 | Demitri | why haven't I gotten the authorization code? |
| 02:25.55 | Demitri | account expired already |
| 02:25.58 | Patlabor221 | I don't know, perhaps you should ask them |
| 02:26.17 | Demitri | I sent them email but no reply for the whole day |
| 02:26.32 | Patlabor221 | they sounds like they arn't thre |
| 02:27.29 | Demitri | I'm downloading Shatter Galaxy |
| 02:27.49 | Patlabor221 | it |
| 02:27.54 | Patlabor221 | it's an RTS |
| 02:28.09 | Demitri | RTS??? |
| 02:28.16 | Patlabor221 | Real Time statagy |
| 02:29.49 | Demitri | anyone playing it yet? |
| 02:30.02 | Demitri | I'm at 14 % =( |
| 02:30.02 | Patlabor221 | I don't no |
| 02:30.06 | Demitri | takes too much space |
| 02:30.23 | Patlabor221 | you could go play bzflag, it's small :) |
| 02:30.32 | Demitri | what is bzflag? |
| 02:30.55 | Patlabor221 | the game for the IRC channel that we are talking in. |
| 02:31.16 | Demitri | you mean just talk? |
| 02:31.24 | Patlabor221 | do you know where you are? |
| 02:31.42 | Demitri | not really |
| 02:31.51 | Demitri | just saw this channel open |
| 02:32.01 | Patlabor221 | ahhhhh |
| 02:32.21 | Patlabor221 | this is the IRC channel for a game called bzflag |
| 02:32.25 | Patlabor221 | www.bzflag.org |
| 02:32.33 | Patlabor221 | it's very fun |
| 02:32.42 | Patlabor221 | drive around in a tank and blow stuff up |
| 02:33.36 | Demitri | k |
| 02:33.57 | Demitri | you playing it right now? |
| 02:34.45 | Patlabor221 | no not at this exact momoent |
| 02:34.54 | Patlabor221 | but I'm sure a number of people are |
| 02:35.00 | Patlabor221 | ~turkey |
| 02:35.01 | | bzfquery turkey.moongroup.com 7500 |
| 02:35.03 | bzbot | Rogue: 6 players, score: 0 | Green: 1 players, score: -55 | Purple: 1 players, score: -18 | |
| 02:35.16 | Patlabor221 | see there are 6 players on the turkey server now |
| 02:35.25 | Patlabor221 | ohh 8 |
| 02:37.31 | *** join/#bzflag M_A_C (dbrosius@mxfcl5x103.chesco.com) |
| 02:40.32 | BZFlag | fiberchunks: provided the server is outside and just clients behind the fw, it should work with the default settings. |
| 02:41.00 | BZFlag | ~bzflist turkey.moongroup.com:7500 |
| 02:41.22 | BZFlag | ~bzfquery turkey.moongroup.com:7500 |
| 03:04.03 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@mxfcl3x50.chesco.com) |
| 03:04.20 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: opacity==1.0 view is much better |
| 03:04.51 | fiberchunks | BZFlag: thx... |
| 03:21.41 | *** join/#bzflag paul (~paul@hibernia.clubi.ie) |
| 03:32.09 | *** join/#bzflag DrVankman (~daniel@24.69.67.239) |
| 03:32.17 | DrVankman | hello hello! |
| 03:32.25 | Widget | hihihi |
| 03:32.47 | DrVankman | Is Jzaun on here, like 24/7 or something? |
| 03:33.10 | DrVankman | I had a proposal that needs to be run over the BZCops League |
| 03:36.40 | DrVankman | Anyone in here? |
| 03:37.25 | Widget | Yes, but jzaun probably isn't. |
| 03:37.53 | DrVankman | I wonder why they leave their IRC clients on. |
| 03:38.27 | DrVankman | Anyone here a BZCop? |
| 03:43.57 | *** join/#bzflag bleh_ (me@12-240-76-157.client.attbi.com) |
| 03:44.04 | *** part/#bzflag Widget (me@12-240-76-157.client.attbi.com) |
| 03:45.46 | *** join/#bzflag Widget (me@12-240-76-157.client.attbi.com) |
| 03:47.05 | *** part/#bzflag Widget (me@12-240-76-157.client.attbi.com) |
| 03:47.09 | *** join/#bzflag Widget (me@12-240-76-157.client.attbi.com) |
| 03:56.10 | DrVankman | So talkative in here |
| 03:56.27 | DrVankman | exit |
| 04:08.10 | *** join/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@d5113245.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 04:08.56 | sussudio | ibot jzaun2 |
| 04:08.57 | | bzfquerylong jzaun.com 5255 |
| 04:08.58 | bzbot | Rat (r): 11 (23-12). NDJ (B): 4 (13-9). (ADMIN) Sid6.7 (R): -4 (6-10). Nicole (r): -6 (5-11). [RLF] Spaceman Spiff (r): 7 (11-4). |
| 04:43.33 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~3v1ln00dl@bc176248.bendcable.com) |
| 04:44.00 | Noodleman | ~seen jzaun |
| 04:44.00 | | jzaun is currently on #bzflag (2h 41m 7s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 2h 40m 37s |
| 04:44.16 | Noodleman | ~seen bzdoug |
| 04:44.16 | | bzdoug <~blah@adsl-39-133.lou.bluegrass.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 4d 8h 8m 15s ago, saying: 'ah'. |
| 04:44.22 | Noodleman | ~seen doughecka |
| 04:44.22 | | doughecka <~blah@adsl-39-133.lou.bluegrass.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 7h 26m 37s ago, saying: 'slick'. |
| 04:45.49 | sussudio | ~sheen charlie |
| 04:45.49 | | no idea, sussudio |
| 04:48.06 | Noodleman | what's up in here? |
| 04:48.10 | Noodleman | nothin? |
| 04:48.20 | Noodleman | hehe, i thought so |
| 04:48.30 | Noodleman | did you ask? |
| 04:48.51 | sussudio | wankerspanker said he sent email |
| 04:48.52 | Noodleman | i can make you a bzc if you keep your nose clean :-) |
| 04:49.13 | Noodleman | promise to be a good boy? |
| 04:49.15 | sussudio | did you not get mail from him? |
| 04:49.32 | Noodleman | nope |
| 04:49.35 | sussudio | hmz |
| 04:49.47 | sussudio | said he sent it to you |
| 04:50.03 | Noodleman | checking now |
| 04:50.04 | sussudio | :-P |
| 04:51.16 | Noodleman | you're a bzcop now |
| 04:51.20 | sussudio | wee |
| 04:51.26 | sussudio | found email? |
| 04:51.39 | Widget | Wha../ |
| 04:51.40 | Widget | ? |
| 04:51.41 | Noodleman | no you can raise cain on all the bzcop servers!! yeah! |
| 04:51.42 | Widget | Oh, no |
| 04:51.47 | Widget | sussudio is a BZCop!? |
| 04:52.08 | Noodleman | yup, is that an opposition to him being a bzcop? |
| 04:52.19 | Widget | Not a formal one. |
| 04:52.24 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 04:52.52 | Noodleman | he is kind of a nutcase, but i figured i'd trust him |
| 04:52.54 | Noodleman | :-P |
| 04:53.02 | sussudio | i'm not a nutcase |
| 04:53.07 | sussudio | right, mr bunny? |
| 04:53.17 | Noodleman | ?? |
| 04:53.37 | sussudio | mr bunny is my spirit guide |
| 04:53.48 | Widget | Curses, my 1-minute rating is going to drop below 2000. |
| 04:53.51 | Noodleman | ok, i thought it over |
| 04:54.06 | Noodleman | maybe it would be safer for all of us if he's not a bzcop |
| 04:54.10 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 04:54.33 | sussudio | yeah my 1-minute rating is like 1 million |
| 04:54.34 | sussudio | or something |
| 04:55.40 | sussudio | can you kick people for [nr]ing |
| 04:56.02 | Noodleman | http://stats.bzflag.org/bzcrules.php |
| 04:56.10 | sussudio | it doesnt say |
| 04:56.23 | Noodleman | then use your judgment |
| 04:56.24 | sussudio | i've seen people sitting there as [nr] for 10 mins |
| 04:56.39 | sussudio | mkay |
| 04:57.30 | sussudio | hmmm |
| 04:57.52 | sussudio | is there some kind of log for bans |
| 04:58.15 | Widget | That's a worrying question. |
| 04:58.16 | Noodleman | in what? the server, or on s.b.o? |
| 04:58.31 | sussudio | 213.17.50.206 is in the ban list |
| 04:58.35 | Noodleman | s.b.o == stats |
| 04:58.36 | sussudio | that's in my range |
| 04:58.53 | sussudio | at least let it show when the ban was set |
| 04:59.01 | sussudio | let me check if i had that ip |
| 04:59.21 | sussudio | i did! |
| 04:59.28 | sussudio | nov 18 |
| 04:59.28 | Noodleman | ? |
| 04:59.30 | Noodleman | hmm |
| 04:59.56 | Noodleman | which server where you playing on on the 18th? |
| 05:00.07 | Noodleman | if it was mine, i keep a log |
| 05:00.09 | sussudio | umm like i keep a log of servers i play |
| 05:00.23 | Noodleman | let me see if that ip is in my log |
| 05:00.33 | sussudio | i had that ip from nov 18 04:24 - nov 19 16:24 cet |
| 05:01.14 | Noodleman | blast it, my server is down |
| 05:01.20 | sussudio | 68.15.60.88 looks familiar |
| 05:01.23 | sussudio | that's spoogebob, isnt it |
| 05:01.25 | Noodleman | i think my boss unplugged it again |
| 05:01.43 | Noodleman | i don't know how to check |
| 05:01.59 | sussudio | i hardly ever play your server |
| 05:02.05 | sussudio | 100 shots :-| |
| 05:02.36 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 05:02.49 | Noodleman | if mine was only 10 shots, it'd be like all the others :-) |
| 05:02.57 | sussudio | are these bans entered manually at jzaun? |
| 05:03.15 | captain_proton | Noodleman: so make it 3 shots, then it will be different |
| 05:03.30 | Noodleman | everytime a server starts, it pulls the banlist from a database |
| 05:03.41 | Noodleman | captain_proton: haha |
| 05:03.41 | sussudio | so is it traceable where it came from? |
| 05:03.45 | Noodleman | very funny :-P |
| 05:03.52 | sussudio | hm i could just go to servers and list bans |
| 05:04.00 | captain_proton | Noodleman: seriously, 100 shots isn't a game, its just holding down the shoot key |
| 05:04.01 | sussudio | what servers are in bzc |
| 05:04.10 | Noodleman | hehe, that's the point |
| 05:04.34 | captain_proton | Noodleman: so why don't you just put in the -public message "this server is no fun, just tape down a key on your keyboard" |
| 05:05.07 | Noodleman | you don't have to play, it's my bandwidth i'm wasting on no fun |
| 05:05.29 | Noodleman | it must be fun tho, at times it takes 80% of my T1 |
| 05:06.05 | Noodleman | but it's down now, i think my boss unplugged it |
| 05:06.21 | Noodleman | i don't blame him, we do have an ISP to run on that bandwidth :-P |
| 05:06.36 | sussudio | banlist has duplicate entries |
| 05:06.46 | Noodleman | you can delete them |
| 05:06.48 | sussudio | k |
| 05:08.03 | sussudio | so what servers run bzc |
| 05:08.22 | Noodleman | i don't know |
| 05:08.31 | Noodleman | i do know jzaun and noodleroni do |
| 05:08.35 | Noodleman | brb |
| 05:08.38 | sussudio | k |
| 05:09.17 | Noodleman | ok |
| 05:09.37 | *** join/#bzflag ski1 (ski@1Cust215.tnt43.nyc3.da.uu.net) |
| 05:09.42 | ski1 | hi all |
| 05:09.56 | Noodleman | man, that guarana is a diuretic, pooperetic, sneezeretic and an earwaxflusheretic |
| 05:10.00 | Noodleman | hey |
| 05:10.06 | ski1 | ibot seen chestal |
| 05:10.07 | | chestal is currently on #bzflag |
| 05:10.20 | ski1 | hi noodle |
| 05:10.42 | Noodleman | hiya |
| 05:10.52 | ski1 | no ones on ducati :( |
| 05:11.00 | ski1 | usually there are |
| 05:11.07 | Noodleman | is noodleroni down? |
| 05:11.22 | ski1 | i think it was up |
| 05:11.35 | Noodleman | i can't log in with ssh |
| 05:11.40 | Noodleman | can't ping it |
| 05:11.57 | ski1 | talking greek to me...heh |
| 05:11.59 | Noodleman | i think my boss unplugged it |
| 05:12.08 | ski1 | ah |
| 05:12.10 | Noodleman | he did last week |
| 05:12.33 | Noodleman | i might have to limit the players on noodleroni to 5 |
| 05:13.02 | Noodleman | my boss is graciously letting me have that server there for free |
| 05:13.04 | ski1 | itd still be cool |
| 05:13.15 | ski1 | thats def coll |
| 05:13.18 | ski1 | cool |
| 05:13.48 | Noodleman | can't be too unreasonable to unplug it when it takes a good part of a T1 |
| 05:13.55 | Noodleman | we do have an ISP to run |
| 05:14.44 | sussudio | making it less than 100 shots would probably fix that (cough) |
| 05:14.53 | Noodleman | hehehe |
| 05:15.24 | Noodleman | captain_proton: does the client have to send a packet for each shot? |
| 05:15.32 | sussudio | yup |
| 05:16.25 | sussudio | i have an 1.3mpixel semicheapocam and i'm not afraid to use it! |
| 05:16.33 | Noodleman | the sizes of those packets must be pretty large all together |
| 05:16.38 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/images/021123/ |
| 05:16.58 | Noodleman | well, i have a 1.2mpixel sony mavica, and i'm not afraid to use it either!! |
| 05:17.25 | sussudio | mavica is only 1.2? |
| 05:17.33 | sussudio | those floppythings? |
| 05:17.38 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 05:17.43 | sussudio | how old is it |
| 05:17.44 | Noodleman | it's an old mavica |
| 05:17.51 | Noodleman | about 3-4 years |
| 05:17.53 | sussudio | 1.4MB? |
| 05:17.56 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 05:18.00 | sussudio | man |
| 05:18.06 | sussudio | this thing has 16 internal |
| 05:18.12 | Noodleman | i really need a new camera |
| 05:18.19 | sussudio | 89 euro (=dollah) |
| 05:18.45 | sussudio | you could probably fit it into your mavica's floppy slot without the lens |
| 05:18.46 | Noodleman | this one's rez is too small and it's too grainy at 1.2 megapixel |
| 05:18.59 | sussudio | think my stuff is grainy too? |
| 05:19.18 | Noodleman | no, yours isn't grainy |
| 05:19.24 | sussudio | i resized them |
| 05:19.30 | sussudio | 1280x1024 is just too friggin big |
| 05:19.35 | sussudio | there's a 1600x1200 mode too |
| 05:19.50 | sussudio | smallest mode is 640x480 but they'd probably end up looking like your mavica |
| 05:20.01 | sussudio | so i did then at 1280 and resized them to 640 |
| 05:20.04 | Noodleman | can i dcc you a picture from my camera? |
| 05:20.23 | Noodleman | quite grainy |
| 05:20.25 | sussudio | guess you could |
| 05:20.29 | *** join/#bzflag wankerspanker (~3fe2caaa@chat.ircnet.org) |
| 05:20.38 | sussudio | lo spank |
| 05:20.44 | wankerspanker | hey sus congrats on BZCOP |
| 05:20.49 | sussudio | tnx |
| 05:20.54 | sussudio | my bzc has bunny power |
| 05:21.12 | Noodleman | sussudio: are you getting that dcc request? |
| 05:21.19 | sussudio | nope |
| 05:21.27 | sussudio | oh wait. |
| 05:21.29 | sussudio | the cloak thing |
| 05:21.39 | sussudio | turned it off now |
| 05:21.53 | Noodleman | ok, i'll stop it and restart |
| 05:22.33 | Noodleman | sussudio: are you getting that dcc request this time? |
| 05:22.46 | sussudio | yeah but it's not connecting |
| 05:22.56 | sussudio | firewall? |
| 05:23.05 | Noodleman | ahh. maybe |
| 05:23.27 | sussudio | 206KB is quite big for a grainy pic |
| 05:23.31 | sussudio | 800x600 or something? |
| 05:23.53 | Noodleman | no, it's about 1200x* |
| 05:24.03 | sussudio | hmm my 1280x1024's are 300+ |
| 05:24.18 | sussudio | the 1600x1200's are 1MB+ |
| 05:24.19 | Noodleman | i'm uploading it |
| 05:24.43 | sussudio | this thing has an internal li-ion battery too, charges via usb |
| 05:24.52 | sussudio | works about an hour, 2.5-3 hours charge |
| 05:24.58 | sussudio | 1-2 weeks standby |
| 05:25.02 | Noodleman | it's at http://www.duralex.net/mvc-001f.jpg |
| 05:25.04 | sussudio | and it works under leeeeeeeeeeenox |
| 05:25.14 | Noodleman | hehe, that's always a plus |
| 05:25.24 | sussudio | under gphoto2 cvs anyway |
| 05:26.01 | sussudio | that pic would be scary if i could figure out what it actually is |
| 05:26.09 | Noodleman | quite grainy, eh? |
| 05:26.13 | sussudio | yeah |
| 05:26.16 | Noodleman | that's actually me |
| 05:26.20 | sussudio | well, inside is grainy here too |
| 05:26.24 | sussudio | you need loads-a-daylight |
| 05:26.37 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 05:26.51 | sussudio | and ofcourse set it to the right focal length :-P |
| 05:26.51 | Noodleman | i do need a new camera tho |
| 05:26.55 | sussudio | (like i forgot to do) |
| 05:26.59 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 05:27.19 | Noodleman | that could make either a little pinhead or a huge nose, right? |
| 05:27.27 | sussudio | i was making one for widget that had 'scheveningen' on it |
| 05:27.31 | sussudio | but its kinda unreadable |
| 05:28.08 | Widget | Oooh. |
| 05:28.15 | Widget | Wait, why Scheveningen? |
| 05:28.53 | sussudio | um you asked about that |
| 05:29.03 | sussudio | probably a 'soldier of orange' thing |
| 05:29.29 | Widget | Ah, there's a variant of the Sicilian defence named after Scheveningen. |
| 05:29.34 | Widget | And a tournament arrangement system. |
| 05:30.03 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/images/scheveningen.jpg |
| 05:30.09 | sussudio | i guess you could make it out if you squint |
| 05:30.20 | sussudio | below the old woman |
| 05:30.27 | sussudio | above even |
| 05:30.44 | sussudio | i had it set for 'macro' :-P |
| 05:30.59 | sussudio | my thumb would probably have looked great if i held it in front |
| 05:31.28 | Widget | Where was this taken? |
| 05:31.33 | Widget | Ooh, I can make out the "gen". |
| 05:31.35 | Widget | :) |
| 05:31.58 | sussudio | about 500 meters from where i live |
| 05:32.12 | Noodleman | ok, i'm back |
| 05:32.33 | sussudio | mkay |
| 05:33.02 | Noodleman | now everyone here is fearing for their life and sanity because i came back |
| 05:33.31 | sussudio | indeed |
| 05:33.50 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/cam.jpg |
| 05:33.53 | sussudio | the camera is quite small |
| 05:34.00 | sussudio | i made this pic with my webcam |
| 05:34.23 | sussudio | the plastic thing is a 'cradle' (piece of cheap plastic to hold it up) |
| 05:35.01 | sussudio | the cd is for comparison |
| 05:35.15 | Noodleman | it must be pretty humid where your from |
| 05:35.31 | Noodleman | at least in comparison to where i'm from |
| 05:35.31 | sussudio | why |
| 05:35.44 | Noodleman | there's moss all over the trees! |
| 05:35.59 | Noodleman | all we have a junipers and ponderosas here |
| 05:35.59 | sussudio | well it was friggin WET today |
| 05:36.05 | sussudio | and i mean wet. as in water on everything. |
| 05:36.15 | sussudio | cars, trees, cats. |
| 05:36.26 | Noodleman | a friggin wet day here is when it rains for a few minutes |
| 05:36.40 | Noodleman | and it's dry in an hour or two :-) |
| 05:37.15 | sussudio | man, there were actually mushrooms growing on my balcony |
| 05:37.24 | sussudio | remind me to throw away more stuff |
| 05:37.34 | Noodleman | LOL |
| 05:37.44 | sussudio | and i dont mean little shrooms |
| 05:37.52 | sussudio | they were like rat-sized |
| 05:38.24 | Noodleman | geez |
| 05:39.55 | Noodleman | here's a page with a nice picture from where i live: http://www.visitbend.org/things_to_do/outdoor.html |
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| 05:49.31 | Widget | http://www.lissa.net/liveandalive/London/Covent Gardens.JPG -- near where I live. |
| 05:51.22 | Widget | Hm... I never realised that the first act of Pygmalion takes place at Covent Gardens. |
| 05:53.04 | sussudio | piggymalion |
| 05:53.22 | sussudio | squeeeeeeeel |
| 05:54.03 | Widget | sussudio: Where do you live? |
| 05:54.15 | sussudio | about 500 meters from that roadsign |
| 05:54.35 | Widget | Which is located in which city? |
| 05:54.48 | sussudio | 4.13.50E 52.03.10N |
| 05:55.36 | Widget | That doesnt answer the question. |
| 05:55.52 | sussudio | does too |
| 05:56.10 | Widget | Not directly. |
| 05:56.22 | sussudio | cant be more direct |
| 05:56.41 | sussudio | hm |
| 05:57.25 | sussudio | stupid terraserver |
| 05:57.34 | sussudio | Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server error '80040e14' |
| 05:57.34 | sussudio | Line 1: Incorrect syntax near '.11'. |
| 05:58.06 | Widget | Well, I _did_ find out that it's 306 km from London. |
| 05:58.45 | Widget | Bah, Xerox's map viewer is gone. |
| 05:58.51 | Noodleman | is madestein anything familiar? |
| 05:58.55 | sussudio | i get latitude and longitude mixed up |
| 05:59.15 | sussudio | Noodleman: a bit |
| 05:59.20 | Noodleman | rijswijk is a big city close |
| 05:59.41 | Noodleman | or maybe a suburb |
| 05:59.45 | sussudio | what are you using |
| 05:59.56 | sussudio | terraserver doesnt seem to work |
| 06:00.15 | Noodleman | i'm using mapquest |
| 06:00.16 | Widget | Ryswyk is in South Holland. |
| 06:00.21 | Noodleman | http://www.mapquest.com/ |
| 06:00.26 | sussudio | hm |
| 06:00.41 | Widget | sussudio: So what's the name of the city? |
| 06:03.03 | sussudio | what the hell |
| 06:03.19 | Noodleman | c'mon, we already know your longitude and latitude; if we wanted to come and get you, we'd just go there and ask if anyone knows where that funny looking guy is |
| 06:03.22 | Noodleman | :-P |
| 06:03.47 | MrApathyCream | http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/homesweethome.jpg <-- pretty picture of my living accomodations |
| 06:03.51 | sussudio | yeah like i'd ever go out |
| 06:04.10 | Noodleman | LOL |
| 06:04.14 | Widget | sussudio: Except 500 m from your house to take pictures of signs. |
| 06:04.26 | sussudio | well i was out of food |
| 06:04.35 | sussudio | they dont deliver m&m's |
| 06:05.04 | Widget | We'll go to Lidl and ask who bought their stocks of M&Ms. |
| 06:05.45 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 06:05.47 | Widget | http://www.library.wisc.edu/etext/WIReader/Images/Big/WER1269.jpeg |
| 06:05.51 | captain_proton | http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/MAC.jpg <-- this one |
| 06:06.10 | MrApathyCream | ok, the home pic is a fake... but that's me in the flesh |
| 06:06.58 | Noodleman | here's a picture of my office where i work, they don't give coffee breaks: http://www.rnrs.com/humor/images/nobreak.jpg |
| 06:07.02 | sussudio | http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=NL&countrycode=169&city=monster&zipcode=&submit.x=0&submit.y=0 |
| 06:07.09 | sussudio | that's like 3KM from here |
| 06:07.57 | Widget | Has Scheveningen been absorbed into the Hague yet? |
| 06:08.10 | sussudio | errr like 100 years ago |
| 06:08.21 | Widget | Soon all of NL will be divided into Rotterdam, Amsterdam and the Hague. |
| 06:08.25 | Widget | And maybe Groningen in the north. |
| 06:08.33 | Widget | And Enschede. |
| 06:08.52 | Widget | Or else, enough land will be reclaimed for more cities. |
| 06:09.06 | Widget | Until it borders the UK. |
| 06:09.41 | sussudio | ah i put them the wrong way round |
| 06:09.54 | sussudio | http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?latlongtype=degrees&latdeg=52&latmin=03&latsec=11&longdeg=4&longmin=13&longsec=46 |
| 06:10.00 | sussudio | i can see my house from here! |
| 06:10.02 | sussudio | (sort of) |
| 06:10.14 | Widget | Meet en Busch? |
| 06:10.38 | Widget | Fugastraat? |
| 06:10.52 | sussudio | it's still off by a few meters |
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| 06:11.10 | Widget | What city is this? |
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| 06:11.24 | Widget | The Hague? |
| 06:11.48 | sussudio | zoom out like 5 times |
| 06:12.33 | Widget | Hm... it says Madestein next to the star, and it lies within the grey area which I guess is the Hague. |
| 06:12.59 | MrApathyCream | actually this is apathyland: http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/apathyland.jpg |
| 06:13.38 | Widget | And when Paul asked you where you live, I think you said dh or something. |
| 06:14.15 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: really? |
| 06:14.48 | Widget | Hm, captain_proton's incredulity is overcome? |
| 06:15.04 | MrApathyCream | yes, that it is |
| 06:15.40 | sussudio | aaaah they found me! the bastards! |
| 06:15.40 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/images/window.jpg |
| 06:18.05 | sussudio | looks like they found jpablo too |
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| 06:19.00 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: .asx? |
| 06:19.05 | MrApathyCream | video |
| 06:19.13 | MrApathyCream | (link) |
| 06:19.51 | MrApathyCream | hmm, rats maybe it won't work with *nix |
| 06:22.09 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i grabbed the url out of it |
| 06:22.10 | MrApathyCream | maybe try this link: http://www.milkandcookies.com/links/2759/ |
| 06:22.12 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: is there a reason you sent that? |
| 06:22.40 | MrApathyCream | nope, just corrupting the youth |
| 06:24.48 | Noodleman | i g2g, l8r al |
| 06:24.50 | Noodleman | all |
| 06:25.35 | sussudio | youth needs corruption? |
| 06:25.46 | sussudio | i thought that was mtv was for |
| 06:27.05 | MrApathyCream | without corruption, the youths would spend all saturday nite in a chat room |
| 06:27.14 | sussudio | hah! |
| 06:27.22 | sussudio | that's what i use sunday mornings for |
| 06:27.50 | MrApathyCream | (and not coding cache cleanup--to boot) |
| 06:28.13 | sussudio | :-B |
| 06:33.42 | captain_proton | that nickname length limit is a bitch, isn't it |
| 06:33.52 | captain_proton_t | erg. |
| 06:34.00 | captain_proton_t | "the_nemeser" |
| 06:34.02 | scanline | oh no, a typedef! |
| 06:34.15 | scanline | captain_proton_t captain_proton; |
| 06:34.32 | captain_proton | heh |
| 06:34.51 | captain_proton | scanline: does this mean i'm an archtype? |
| 06:34.58 | captain_proton | archetype* |
| 06:35.07 | MrApathyCream | arch-something anyway |
| 06:35.08 | scanline | I hope not, it could be dangerous to humanity |
| 06:40.50 | captain_proton | that was a quick dig |
| 06:41.02 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 06:41.25 | MrApathyCream | just shoveling sh*t |
| 06:41.55 | captain_proton | my coworker was doing that on friday |
| 06:42.48 | MrApathyCream | btw, do i need windoze installed as well, or can it just be *linux |
| 06:43.48 | captain_proton | can just be linux' |
| 06:48.07 | captain_proton | uhm, MrApathyCream: |
| 06:48.14 | captain_proton | * Be wary of flags on the outside of the world. Players who pick up bad flags tend to hang on the edges so that they don't get killed. Therefore that's were bad flags tend to be dropped. |
| 06:48.36 | captain_proton | bad flags are -always- sucked into the aether after they're dropped |
| 06:48.42 | MrApathyCream | they are? |
| 06:48.46 | captain_proton | yep |
| 06:49.03 | MrApathyCream | well, call we edgar and slap me silly |
| 06:49.07 | MrApathyCream | didn't know that |
| 06:49.11 | sussudio | * Beware of bunnies, especially if they tell you to buy enron stock |
| 06:49.35 | MrApathyCream | --checking-- :not to imply that captain_proton is untrustworthy |
| 06:52.52 | MrApathyCream | btw: this is silly: |
| 06:52.53 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.53 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:53.07 | captain_proton | yep |
| 06:53.14 | captain_proton | server should handle |
| 06:54.01 | MrApathyCream | yes, it should |
| 06:54.38 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, bzfs.cxx line 4390 |
| 06:54.40 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.40 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.40 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.40 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:55.13 | Cell | morning |
| 06:56.24 | MrApathyCream | oh, ok: |
| 06:56.25 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.25 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.30 | MrApathyCream | you are correct, d'oh |
| 07:01.54 | MrApathyCream | cool: bzfs -p 5156 -pr 5157 -world http://www.apathy.com/dinner4six.bzw |
| 07:02.07 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: that works???? |
| 07:02.25 | sussudio | -|- (Supertramp)_[11]_Dreamer.mp3 (4,588,530 bytes 173kbps VBR Joint Stereo 3mins 33secs Genre:Rock Year:1989 Album:The Very Best Of |
| 07:02.26 | captain_proton | no it doesn't |
| 07:02.29 | captain_proton | you silly silly man |
| 07:03.37 | MrApathyCream | not in cvs, anyway |
| 07:04.06 | MrApathyCream | apathy.com is fictious |
| 07:04.10 | MrApathyCream | just an example |
| 07:07.55 | wankerspanker | would any of you want to help a kid with LINUX get a bzflag server going? |
| 07:08.05 | captain_proton | that would be a nifty domain |
| 07:08.53 | captain_proton | apathy.ws is open |
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| 07:11.32 | jzaun | I got boared.... http://stats.bzflag.org you can move the window around, shade it, iconify it, move the icon around and dblclick the icon to get the window back |
| 07:12.30 | MrApathyCream | ooh, that sounds painful. what 'boared' you |
| 07:12.31 | captain_proton | move what window around? |
| 07:12.32 | jzaun | whoops... |
| 07:12.47 | jzaun | http://stats.bzflag.org/test.php |
| 07:12.47 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: a wild pig of course |
| 07:13.09 | jzaun | MAC.. I can't spell, sorry... time in general |
| 07:14.07 | MrApathyCream | i enjoy such sillyness, although captain_proton always takes me a serious stuffed shirt-type |
| 07:14.52 | jzaun | well once I get it so the icon can be moved by the graphic as well as the text (in netscape) I might use the code for something someday |
| 07:15.20 | jzaun | Its all very simple to use now... 1 line of code makes a nice window |
| 07:16.35 | sussudio | i got bored and sacrificed a jehova's witness to the bunnygod |
| 07:16.40 | scanline | whee |
| 07:17.15 | jzaun | scanline: I wish i could have been as productive |
| 07:17.45 | scanline | hmm? |
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| 07:20.28 | MrApathyCream | change the oil, would'ya? |
| 07:26.50 | sussudio | and the socks |
| 07:27.42 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: how bout this: if the server suspected a player of being invincible, it could send a shockwave to the tanks coordinates (only to that player) if he didn't die in a few seconds, kick him |
| 07:27.58 | MrApathyCream | now only trouble is how to determine, that he's just not real good |
| 07:28.39 | MrApathyCream | --without server tracked bullet/tank collisions of course-- |
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| 07:31.56 | Widget | Qilai! Buyuanzuo nulide renmen! |
| 07:32.11 | Widget | Bawomende xierou, zhucheng women xinde changcheng! |
| 07:32.37 | sussudio | you can't do that with a hedgehog |
| 07:38.30 | Widget | Bobby Fischer is cool. |
| 07:41.27 | Widget | sussudio: How is Machiagelis Euwe pronounced? |
| 07:42.01 | Widget | Errr.... |
| 07:42.03 | Widget | Machgielis. |
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| 07:59.39 | sussudio | what the hell is a machgielis |
| 08:15.54 | Cell | dhtml |
| 08:46.45 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: sounds like a recipe for disaster |
| 08:48.00 | Widget | sussudio: Former Chess World Champion? |
| 08:48.07 | sussudio | whipped cream and sausages? |
| 08:49.21 | sussudio | hm chesszzzzz |
| 08:49.34 | Widget | sussudio: How do you pronounce "Euwe"? |
| 08:50.00 | sussudio | "daisy" |
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| 10:35.15 | DrVankman | Who's in right now? |
| 10:35.33 | captain_proton | i'm sorta here |
| 10:36.02 | DrVankman | Oh we all get spaced out every once in a while, it's called good weed :) |
| 10:36.15 | DrVankman | I'm sorta here too, man! |
| 10:36.49 | captain_proton | in my case its due only to multitasking |
| 10:37.01 | DrVankman | Anyways, what time does Jzaun usually on? |
| 10:37.24 | DrVankman | He leaves his client on at all times, for some reason |
| 10:37.33 | captain_proton | depends, hes been idle for over 3 hours |
| 10:37.53 | DrVankman | What are you working on, may I ask? |
| 10:38.29 | DrVankman | I'm working on server modification for timed flags |
| 10:38.47 | captain_proton | i'm working on some code for a different game i'm trying to get started |
| 10:39.15 | DrVankman | Ahh yes, I should get more work done on my game, too |
| 10:40.24 | DrVankman | Okay, well I'll check in tomorow. See ya later |
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| 11:58.57 | sussudio | outside = burp |
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| 12:30.27 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/images/021124/ |
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| 13:10.50 | sussudio | did i mention today i hate AOL yet? |
| 13:14.01 | scan[ibook] | I wonder if anyone's working on an opensource terrain generator |
| 13:14.26 | ak|ra | why? |
| 13:14.57 | scan[ibook] | curiosity, and not wanting to have to use terragen because it's windows-only and non-free |
| 13:16.06 | ak|ra | http://www.vterrain.org/ |
| 13:16.41 | scan[ibook] | spiffy |
| 13:16.54 | ak|ra | spiffy? |
| 13:17.11 | scan[ibook] | nice to know that such a project exists |
| 13:17.40 | ak|ra | ah |
| 13:17.42 | ak|ra | ok |
| 13:17.44 | ak|ra | of coz :) |
| 13:18.16 | scan[ibook] | the output doesn't look anywhere near as good as terragen of course... |
| 13:18.29 | ak|ra | take the code and improve it :) |
| 13:19.25 | scan[ibook] | someday |
| 13:19.31 | scan[ibook] | right now I already write too much open source code |
| 13:25.49 | bomber_ | ibot ducati? |
| 13:25.50 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:25.51 | bzbot | calico (G): 3 (17-14). Krzysiek (R): -5 (6-11). |
| 13:32.17 | bomber_ | ibot ducati? |
| 13:32.21 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 13:32.22 | bzbot | calico (G): 18 (40-22). Jon (R): -8 (5-13). Kylek (R): -1 (0-1). Abrams M1A1 Big Barrel (G): 3 (5-2). |
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| 14:09.34 | sussudio | dude. dont piss me off. |
| 14:09.59 | sussudio | i already told you you will never, ever, ever, ever, never get admin |
| 14:11.08 | sussudio | good riddance |
| 14:24.00 | paul | doppleganger problems suss? |
| 14:25.12 | sussudio | no, annoying little aol git with tourettes syndrome |
| 14:25.20 | sussudio | "How do you kick people?" |
| 14:25.24 | sussudio | "y wont u tell me" |
| 14:25.32 | sussudio | "c*nt motherf*cker buttlicker" |
| 14:25.47 | paul | ah.. nice. |
| 14:25.52 | sussudio | and so on |
| 14:26.03 | sussudio | i did a 30 min ban on him on jzaun |
| 14:26.08 | paul | hehe |
| 14:26.19 | paul | actually - tell him to go create a channel for himself. |
| 14:26.27 | paul | then he'll have op and be happy. |
| 14:26.43 | paul | (course noone will ever join his channel.. but hey) |
| 14:26.43 | sussudio | no, then i'd have to explain how to join a channel |
| 14:27.31 | sussudio | man i went to the beach and back... going outside hurts |
| 14:28.32 | paul | sunny in nl at the moment isnt it? |
| 14:28.43 | sussudio | yeah blindingly. |
| 14:28.46 | sussudio | i made pics. |
| 14:28.46 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/images/021124/ |
| 14:28.51 | sussudio | photographed some moss for noodleman |
| 14:28.58 | sussudio | dunno what his obsession with the green stuff is. |
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| 14:34.33 | paul | moss? someone asked you for photos of _moss_? LOL! |
| 14:35.48 | paul | sussudio: wow... lovely sky. |
| 14:35.51 | sussudio | *shrug* |
| 14:36.06 | sussudio | [06:39:31] <Noodleman> there's moss all over the trees! |
| 14:36.11 | paul | LOL |
| 14:36.32 | paul | scheveningen... you live there? |
| 14:36.40 | sussudio | thank god, no |
| 14:36.54 | paul | i was in scheveningen prison. |
| 14:36.59 | sussudio | only weirdos and old fishermen live there |
| 14:37.12 | paul | not as a prisoner though! :) |
| 14:37.20 | sussudio | and about 180 nationalities of illegal immigrants |
| 14:37.24 | paul | ah yes. |
| 14:37.44 | sussudio | 3-room houses for like 200 guilders a month |
| 14:37.49 | paul | wow |
| 14:38.06 | sussudio | converted old houses |
| 14:38.08 | sussudio | really small |
| 14:38.14 | sussudio | can probably fit about 10 turks |
| 14:38.31 | paul | LOL |
| 14:38.42 | sussudio | well, they do that actually |
| 14:38.54 | sussudio | on the edge of scheveningen/the hague |
| 14:39.00 | sussudio | weimarstraat and surrounding area |
| 14:39.05 | sussudio | 15-20 people a house |
| 14:39.11 | sussudio | they call them 'sleeping houses' |
| 14:39.14 | paul | he |
| 14:39.22 | sussudio | in the westland picking tomatos and paprikas in the westland |
| 14:39.25 | sussudio | sleep there during night |
| 14:39.37 | paul | ah well... |
| 14:39.38 | sussudio | during the day picking i mean |
| 14:39.43 | paul | yes :) |
| 14:39.52 | paul | NL is kind of full.. |
| 14:39.59 | sussudio | getting arrested and sent back to romania once every 2 weeks...... |
| 14:40.52 | sussudio | ofcourse getting right back cause they still have their passports....... |
| 14:41.40 | sussudio | digital cameras really dont like differing lights do they |
| 14:41.43 | paul | on the other hand, without immigrants providing cheap labour, dutch intensive-agriculture would have problems. |
| 14:41.54 | sussudio | i mean, point it at the sky, it's fine. point it at the ground, it's fine. |
| 14:42.03 | paul | contrast the two and it isnt. |
| 14:42.05 | sussudio | point it at the beach and the see. buggered |
| 14:42.19 | paul | normal film can have that problem too. |
| 14:42.38 | sussudio | well most of the dune pics turned out alright |
| 14:42.47 | sussudio | maybe it was just too friggin wet on the beach |
| 14:42.49 | paul | that's why, eg, you can get lens filters with the top-half filtered, bottom half not. |
| 14:42.59 | sussudio | my cam was fogged up and everything was just soaking wet to the touch |
| 14:43.22 | sussudio | and it was a strong OFF-land wind too |
| 14:43.36 | paul | wassenaar wassenaar wassenaar. ik wasde haar haar, in wassenaar.. wassenaar.. etc.. |
| 14:43.48 | paul | which pic you refer to? |
| 14:44.04 | sussudio | most of the pics that have beach + sea on them |
| 14:44.36 | sussudio | ohwell i guess it's not so bad for a 1.3mpixel 89 euro camera |
| 14:44.55 | paul | not at all, no. |
| 14:45.12 | sussudio | i'd probably be really pissed off if it was a 3.2mpixel 400 euro one |
| 14:45.19 | paul | :) |
| 14:46.03 | sussudio | it has 16MB and rechargeable battery, so thats a plus |
| 14:46.18 | sussudio | 54 pics at 1280x1024 |
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| 15:15.47 | sussudio | hmz cheater on dip-t.dialin.net |
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| 16:44.16 | bryjen | is there an Admin in the house? |
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| 16:46.12 | bryjen | Hello? |
| 16:47.05 | sussudio | what house |
| 16:48.47 | bryjen | i donno. |
| 16:49.23 | bryjen | I'm looking for someone with admin on linuxorbit |
| 16:50.14 | sussudio | forget it |
| 16:50.23 | sussudio | i dont think anyone admins that craphole |
| 16:53.15 | Cell | shit i get a stack overflow on my recursion |
| 16:53.27 | sussudio | poor you |
| 16:53.39 | ak|ra | Cell: :) bad boy |
| 16:53.56 | Cell | but it works on smaller dataset |
| 16:54.12 | Cell | but on large one it runs out of stack, strange |
| 16:54.23 | ak|ra | tja :) programmier richtig :)) |
| 16:54.51 | Cell | ja, toll, das heisst keine rekursion verwenden |
| 16:55.08 | ak|ra | ne, kommt drauf an :) |
| 16:55.14 | ak|ra | was machste? |
| 16:55.23 | ak|ra | also in jedem rekursionsschritt |
| 16:55.27 | ak|ra | ->query |
| 16:56.49 | Cell | naja was ich mache ist nicht so leicht zu sagen |
| 16:56.50 | Chestal | I wish not everybody would play in disguise these days |
| 16:56.55 | Chestal | it gets boring quick |
| 16:57.12 | ak|ra | ? |
| 16:57.30 | Chestal | nearly noone of the best players play openly lately |
| 16:57.36 | ak|ra | ah |
| 16:57.38 | Cell | my recursion is very deep |
| 16:57.48 | ak|ra | cell lets talk in query |
| 16:57.58 | Chestal | cell: increase your stack size :-) |
| 16:58.08 | Chestal | in some environemnts, defautl stack sizes are very small |
| 16:58.15 | ak|ra | Chestal: or avoid bad stuff :) |
| 16:58.38 | Chestal | ak|ra: well, it depends, a stack of 10MB isn't a bad thing IMHO |
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| 16:59.17 | Cell | voula |
| 16:59.22 | ak|ra | upsi |
| 17:00.48 | Cell | could every recursion be solved non recursive? |
| 17:01.03 | Chestal | of course, just do the recusrion manually :-) |
| 17:01.11 | ak|ra | Cell: yes |
| 17:01.26 | Chestal | but then a real recursion is often faster andmore elegant |
| 17:01.41 | Cell | buffoon |
| 17:01.45 | ak|ra | you could put current work state on a stack or whatever |
| 17:01.56 | ak|ra | and work on that stack until its empty |
| 17:02.06 | ak|ra | Chestal: a recursion isnt faster ... |
| 17:02.15 | Cell | a k |
| 17:02.19 | Chestal | ak|ra: it's usually faster than a manually managed stack |
| 17:02.48 | ak|ra | Chestal: depends on the cost to save the old stack, set up a new stack, do the stuff and come back |
| 17:03.06 | Chestal | ak|ra: a general ppurpose manual stack will do a lot of heap operations, which are very slow |
| 17:03.17 | Chestal | you can optimize it of course, but still |
| 17:03.23 | ak|ra | Chestal: dont think so :) |
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| 17:03.39 | Chestal | ak|ra: it will be fast if the stack is small |
| 17:03.50 | Chestal | but if you cannot predict the recursion depth you ned to put it on the heap |
| 17:04.21 | Chestal | and it's usually very ugly |
| 17:04.22 | ak|ra | Chestal: but i think just to increase stacksize is a little bit .. wrong |
| 17:04.43 | ak|ra | its like: the algo doesnt run fast enough so buy a bigger machine |
| 17:04.56 | Chestal | akira: it depends, I see no reason why the defautl stack sizes are so small |
| 17:05.04 | Chestal | on some systems, less than 1MB, which is just ridiculous |
| 17:05.16 | Chestal | for a single-threaded process, why not use an auto-growing stack |
| 17:05.23 | Chestal | could get as large as you want |
| 17:05.30 | Cell | yes thats the problem |
| 17:06.09 | ak|ra | Chestal: but then you dont need to distinguish between heap and stack anymore |
| 17:06.15 | Chestal | when you have VM size of 4GB, let's say 2GB are lost, 2GB are available, heap and stack can grow towards each other, why restrict it |
| 17:06.19 | Cell | i mean i make about 300k function calls |
| 17:06.21 | Chestal | yes, you need |
| 17:06.34 | Chestal | heap is necessary for the generalcase |
| 17:06.37 | ak|ra | Chestal: not if stacksizes grows as you want :) |
| 17:06.39 | Chestal | heap is more felxible and slow |
| 17:06.45 | Chestal | stack is simpel and fast |
| 17:07.09 | ak|ra | yeah, and with a fast but flexible stack you dont need the heap anymore |
| 17:07.11 | Chestal | the difference is that a heap is complex, it's not linear as the stack |
| 17:07.17 | Chestal | you do |
| 17:07.26 | Chestal | becuase a stack cannot do everything |
| 17:07.35 | Cell | cannot delete |
| 17:07.54 | ak|ra | cell doesnt need to delete anymore -> its autogrowing |
| 17:08.06 | ak|ra | :) |
| 17:08.17 | Chestal | that woudl work with an infinite amount of memory |
| 17:08.29 | ak|ra | show me your routine in query cell |
| 17:08.42 | Cell | what does it mean in query? |
| 17:08.53 | ak|ra | Chestal: and thats why i think stack is big enough in most cases i saw till now |
| 17:09.12 | ak|ra | Cell: if you paste it here, you will be kicked or everyone can see your stuff |
| 17:09.16 | ak|ra | query -> only me? |
| 17:09.23 | Cell | how to do? |
| 17:09.34 | ak|ra | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.36 | ak|ra | and paste |
| 17:09.39 | Cell | k |
| 17:11.50 | ak|ra | Chestal: i think if the stack would be autogrowing or whatever enhanced it would lead some people to less-thinking-about-what-they-do-style |
| 17:12.55 | Chestal | akira: a lot of OS have autogrowing stacks |
| 17:13.15 | ak|ra | Chestal: which? |
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| 17:13.22 | ak|ra | Cell: ??? |
| 17:13.24 | ak|ra | whats up? |
| 17:13.34 | ak|ra | Cell: try to dcc me the stuff |
| 17:13.44 | Chestal | akira: at lest OS/2 had, I am not sure how typcial Unices handle it, I think they do it, too but just put an upper limit there |
| 17:13.56 | Chestal | it can be easily implemenetd with a guard page |
| 17:14.20 | ak|ra | Chestal: there is a reason why there is such a small limit |
| 17:14.24 | Chestal | you wouldn't want to unused stack to take up real memory anwyay |
| 17:14.52 | ak|ra | and os/2 is not a good and successful example for such an os |
| 17:15.16 | Chestal | what's about about a large stack? |
| 17:15.31 | Chestal | I see no problem with it. When you use multithreading, you shoudl think about the max stack size for each thread of course |
| 17:15.45 | ak|ra | you should always think |
| 17:15.57 | Chestal | why is a large heap better than a large stack? |
| 17:16.13 | ak|ra | and for cells problem i didnt see the need to enlarge the stack |
| 17:16.21 | Chestal | yes, maybe, I don't know his problem |
| 17:16.27 | ak|ra | Chestal: thats not the question .. the task is to redesign cells code |
| 17:16.47 | Chestal | I'm just sayign there are good reasons sometime to incrwease the default stack size limits |
| 17:16.49 | ak|ra | so it would perhaps run without use of an own stack |
| 17:17.23 | ak|ra | Chestal: and i say: its just the _easiest_ way but wouldnt solve the problem at all |
| 17:17.35 | ak|ra | next time there are much more faces or whatever and the problem occurs again |
| 17:17.39 | ak|ra | next stackincrease |
| 17:17.43 | ak|ra | and so on and so on |
| 17:18.05 | ak|ra | and just because you are able to increase the stacksize doesnt mean its the best way to handle the problem |
| 17:18.15 | Chestal | if you can redesign it to need less objects in mem at the same time, than that's the better solution of course |
| 17:18.37 | ak|ra | lets put some "hirnschmalz" into the algorithm and one doesnt need to increase stacksize :) |
| 17:19.01 | Chestal | cut down the overall memory footprint, that's always good |
| 17:19.56 | ak|ra | once i hacked an algorithm that useses recursion -> i measured time ... |
| 17:20.10 | ak|ra | then i build a nonrecursive version -> measured time again ... |
| 17:20.14 | ak|ra | no big difference |
| 17:20.38 | Chestal | but the first one was prettiert for sure? |
| 17:21.00 | ak|ra | nope |
| 17:21.30 | ak|ra | Cell: whats the problem? |
| 17:22.06 | Chestal | recursive algorithms which are translated into an iterative one by imitating recursion are usually much longer and harder tor ead |
| 17:23.32 | ak|ra | not this one |
| 17:25.33 | ak|ra | and i think optimizers work better on non-recursive stuff |
| 17:26.53 | ak|ra | so, i test now devfs out .. bye for a while ... |
| 17:26.54 | Cell | i also need to render a rectangular portion of the screent to a seperate backbuffer and frame buffer with opengl, how do i do that? |
| 17:27.08 | Cell | z buffer |
| 17:27.19 | Cell | i menat instead of backbuffer |
| 17:27.19 | ak|ra | Cell: why do you want to do this? |
| 17:27.37 | Cell | because i want to pick only the nearest faces |
| 17:27.47 | Cell | not the ones covered by the nearest |
| 17:27.58 | Cell | with a rectangular region |
| 17:28.04 | Cell | i drag on screen |
| 17:28.29 | ak|ra | then perhaps open a seconden openglcontext / rendering device |
| 17:28.32 | Cell | this a difficult task otherwise |
| 17:28.42 | ak|ra | and use pbuffers |
| 17:28.54 | Cell | what are those? |
| 17:29.04 | ak|ra | they are nonvisible but still hw-accelerated pixelbuffers -> framebuffers |
| 17:29.18 | ak|ra | take a look with google for pbuffers and nvidia |
| 17:29.27 | ak|ra | i am off now for a while .. sorry ... |
| 17:29.28 | Cell | could i somehow use the stencil buffer to acomplish that task |
| 17:29.35 | Cell | k, bye |
| 17:29.35 | ak|ra | stencil is slow |
| 17:29.38 | Cell | k |
| 17:29.44 | ak|ra | so give pbuffers a chance .. |
| 17:29.51 | Cell | k, i try |
| 17:34.15 | Cell | no, i dont want to use extensions |
| 17:34.25 | Cell | p buffer too complicated |
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| 18:51.28 | Cell | baaaah |
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| 20:04.42 | Patlabor221 | ok i'm convinced that ether winzip dosn't make normal zip files, or that most people in the world have busted unzipers |
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| 20:37.25 | bzdouggg | grr |
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| 20:39.31 | bzdougg | bloody macs |
| 20:40.14 | Patlabor221 | don't you love macs? |
| 20:42.18 | bzdougg | yea |
| 20:42.39 | bzdougg | but they arnt perfect for web surfing in netscape |
| 20:42.40 | Patlabor221 | you know bloddy isn't a nice term |
| 20:42.52 | bzdougg | nasty macs |
| 20:43.06 | Patlabor221 | but the comcercals say they are perfect for EVERYTHING |
| 20:43.25 | bzdougg | silly imac keyboard doest have pageup/down keys |
| 20:44.01 | Patlabor221 | but they are suposed to be "BETTER" |
| 20:44.17 | Patlabor221 | you don't need those keys, they are to hard to use. all you need is a mouse with one button |
| 20:45.35 | bzdougg | ok, so we where driving all night in the van down here to florida, and the wheel bairing failed on the a rear tire |
| 20:46.04 | Patlabor221 | you should get that fixed |
| 20:46.20 | bzdougg | we did |
| 20:47.06 | bzdougg | and the vibrating that we thought was a bent axle.... was really the bearing, no that means it lasted about 7 years.... broken |
| 20:47.40 | bzdougg | amazing |
| 20:47.54 | Patlabor221 | why would you drive the car with a bent axel |
| 20:47.57 | Patlabor221 | to florida? |
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| 20:48.16 | bzdougg | only slightly bent, just enuf to make a wobble |
| 20:48.24 | Patlabor221 | still |
| 20:48.25 | bzdougg | or a noise |
| 20:48.30 | Patlabor221 | no, bent |
| 20:48.33 | Patlabor221 | bent = bad |
| 20:48.39 | Patlabor221 | bent = break other things |
| 20:49.15 | bzdougg | well we have had it for about 7 years, and its allways had this wobbling noise... |
| 20:50.12 | bzdougg | so now the van runs smooth, now we can hear other bad noises |
| 20:53.05 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 20:53.22 | bzdougg | everybody is talking about going to the beach |
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| 20:55.04 | bzdouggggg | oh yea, I saw the launch of the shuttke |
| 20:55.11 | bzdouggggg | shuttle |
| 20:55.36 | bzdouggggg | at night, it lit up the whole sky, and it was really loud |
| 20:57.41 | snyke | hmm |
| 20:57.52 | snyke | is there a help-doc for the admin-commands in bzflag?! |
| 20:58.48 | Patlabor221 | there are the man pages |
| 20:58.54 | Patlabor221 | and they are avalalbe in HTML |
| 20:58.59 | snyke | where? |
| 20:59.06 | snyke | cannot find |
| 20:59.07 | Patlabor221 | in the patches section on sourceforge |
| 20:59.30 | snyke | hm |
| 20:59.31 | snyke | ok |
| 21:00.34 | Patlabor221 | they will be installed automaticly with the next version of the windows installer |
| 21:01.58 | [TeA]_ | bye |
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| 21:02.18 | bzgirl | snyke: http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZServerCommands.html |
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| 21:02.35 | snyke | thx |
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| 21:40.58 | ak|ra | hello cell |
| 21:41.11 | Cell | hi, noch wach |
| 21:41.33 | Cell | hab mir grad die sachen von der gerd show angeschaut |
| 21:41.59 | Cell | das steuer lied |
| 21:42.22 | Cell | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.58 | ak|ra | aha |
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