| 00:14:17 | doughecka | is away: bed time |
| 00:16:30 | JamesA | Can anyone tell me why bzfs doesn't show in the find servers list when I start it with the -public parameter? |
| 00:32:16 | captain_proton | not really |
| 00:32:21 | captain_proton | -public is picky sometimes |
| 01:07:29 | captain_proton | pokes scanline |
| 01:16:45 | iLLf8d | captain_proton: how can I read an integer using ifstream to an integer variable? |
| 01:16:53 | iLLf8d | can it be done and if not what am I supposed to use? |
| 01:18:50 | captain_proton | ifstream >> int |
| 02:25:59 | captain_proton | scanline: wake up! |
| 02:27:34 | captain_proton | BZFlag: where is scanline? i need him to come watch an episode of the oh-so-excellent series SPACE: 1999 |
| 02:34:44 | BZFlag | heh. don't know. |
| 02:35:21 | captain_proton | i have the first episode if you want to download it ;) |
| 02:37:39 | BZFlag | I like the ships on that show, but the acting sure is corny. |
| 02:41:32 | iLLf8d | uhm |
| 02:41:37 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 02:41:44 | iLLf8d | for some reason when I do that |
| 02:41:53 | iLLf8d | and I try to read the next line with a get |
| 02:42:02 | iLLf8d | its segfaulting (next line has chars on it) |
| 02:44:49 | captain_proton | BZFlag: its -all- about the intro music |
| 02:45:23 | BZFlag | heh |
| 02:51:27 | iLLf8d | void CTerrain::read_map(void) |
| 02:51:28 | iLLf8d | { |
| 02:51:28 | iLLf8d | char readchar; |
| 02:51:28 | iLLf8d | int i = 0; |
| 02:51:28 | iLLf8d | |
| 02:51:28 | iLLf8d | ifstream input_file("./default.map"); |
| 02:51:30 | iLLf8d | |
| 02:51:34 | iLLf8d | input_file >> w; |
| 02:51:36 | iLLf8d | |
| 02:51:38 | iLLf8d | while (! input_file.eof()) |
| 02:51:40 | iLLf8d | { |
| 02:51:42 | iLLf8d | readchar = input_file.get(); |
| 02:51:44 | iLLf8d | elevation = atoi(&readchar); |
| 02:51:48 | iLLf8d | |
| 02:51:50 | iLLf8d | if ((elevation > 0) && (elevation < 10)) |
| 02:51:53 | iLLf8d | { |
| 02:51:54 | iLLf8d | t_map[i] = elevation; |
| 02:51:56 | iLLf8d | i++; |
| 02:51:58 | iLLf8d | } |
| 02:52:00 | iLLf8d | } |
| 02:52:04 | iLLf8d | } |
| 02:52:06 | iLLf8d | woa |
| 02:52:08 | iLLf8d | sorry didn't expect it to be that large in channel |
| 02:52:10 | iLLf8d | looks small in editor |
| 02:52:12 | iLLf8d | can someone tell me what i'm blowing there? |
| 02:52:14 | iLLf8d | its segfaulting |
| 02:52:18 | iLLf8d | w=int; |
| 02:52:20 | iLLf8d | actually int w; |
| 02:52:22 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 02:56:56 | captain_proton | why are you reading in elevation using file.get() and atoi? |
| 02:57:03 | captain_proton | input_file >> elevation; |
| 02:57:44 | iLLf8d | uhm |
| 02:57:48 | iLLf8d | well its all on one line |
| 02:57:50 | iLLf8d | its like |
| 02:57:52 | iLLf8d | 1111111111111111111111111111111 |
| 02:57:54 | iLLf8d | that kinda stuff |
| 02:57:56 | iLLf8d | I need to read only one digit |
| 02:57:58 | iLLf8d | at a time |
| 02:58:08 | iLLf8d | a normal one would be like 1111242311111 |
| 02:58:17 | BZFlag | elevation < 10 ? |
| 02:58:31 | iLLf8d | where 1=field grass (do nothing) and 2 = twice elevation 3= 3xelevation etc... |
| 02:58:48 | BZFlag | ah... atoi(&readchar) won't work. |
| 02:58:53 | iLLf8d | it does... |
| 02:59:00 | iLLf8d | but when I do that first one it screw it |
| 02:59:04 | BZFlag | atoi is expecting a null terminated string. |
| 02:59:17 | BZFlag | you are passing a char. who knows what's next in memory. |
| 02:59:26 | iLLf8d | if I take out the inputfile >> w; line it works great when I put it in it gets hosed |
| 02:59:47 | iLLf8d | I may be getting lucky I dunno |
| 02:59:55 | BZFlag | you are relying on random junk following readchar in memory. |
| 03:00:10 | iLLf8d | uhm |
| 03:00:16 | iLLf8d | don't think so it maps the field properly |
| 03:00:18 | BZFlag | make readchar an array of 2 and set readchar[1]=0; that should work. |
| 03:00:21 | iLLf8d | can I sendya the file? |
| 03:00:27 | BZFlag | no. ;-) |
| 03:00:31 | captain_proton | or even better |
| 03:00:31 | iLLf8d | it compiles and only has this one last error heh |
| 03:00:39 | captain_proton | elevation = readchar - '0' |
| 03:01:00 | BZFlag | agrees with captain_proton |
| 03:01:30 | iLLf8d | uhm |
| 03:01:31 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 03:01:43 | iLLf8d | will try it dunno if I understand file crap yet really aggrivating me |
| 03:02:46 | iLLf8d | hmm still segfaults |
| 04:08:13 | captain_proton | 'lo patlabor221 |
| 04:08:17 | patlabor221 | hey |
| 04:09:15 | patlabor221 | how's it going? |
| 04:09:20 | captain_proton | decent |
| 04:09:24 | captain_proton | actually no |
| 04:09:39 | patlabor221 | quick change of heart there |
| 04:09:40 | captain_proton | just linking with libgtkgl-2.0 causes the new bzedit to segfault |
| 04:09:56 | patlabor221 | ouch |
| 04:11:32 | patlabor221 | what does it give you over the older versions? |
| 04:12:28 | captain_proton | gtkgl-2.0 is the gtk2 widget |
| 04:12:48 | captain_proton | seems to be a symbol conflict (or something) between that and libgnomeuimm |
| 04:12:51 | patlabor221 | is it required to use in gtk 2 |
| 04:13:49 | captain_proton | only if i want to use the GtkGLArea widget |
| 04:14:04 | captain_proton | i'm gonna abandon the C++ bindings because of this |
| 04:14:19 | captain_proton | do the GUI stuff C-ish like in previous vers |
| 04:17:56 | patlabor221 | sucks that the classes don't work |
| 04:19:17 | captain_proton | they work pretty well |
| 04:19:24 | captain_proton | just not when i link with gtkgl :P |
| 04:19:33 | patlabor221 | yeah that's what I mean |
| 04:19:56 | patlabor221 | can't you tell it to ignore the conficting thing |
| 04:20:09 | captain_proton | plus i think i'm gonna write a new widget that does dockables the way they ought to be |
| 04:20:13 | captain_proton | i don't know whats conflicting |
| 04:20:35 | captain_proton | all i know is its jumping to something that isn't code deep inside the gnomeuimm library due to a symbol conflict |
| 04:20:40 | patlabor221 | wow that's a big fugga start menu |
| 04:20:57 | patlabor221 | goes all the way to the top |
| 04:21:26 | patlabor221 | there all better |
| 04:21:42 | patlabor221 | gues it was stupid to tell it to show the last 22 apps I used |
| 04:22:18 | captain_proton | heh |
| 04:23:44 | captain_proton | pokes scanline again |
| 04:25:30 | patlabor221 | jesus crist, what they hell can they put in a 130 meg service pack |
| 04:26:02 | patlabor221 | oh |
| 04:26:08 | patlabor221 | seems I only ned 30 megs of it |
| 04:28:20 | captain_proton | hah |
| 04:29:01 | patlabor221 | thankfully you don't have to get the entire thing anymore |
| 04:29:03 | patlabor221 | just what you need |
| 04:35:36 | patlabor221 | *clear* |
| 04:50:57 | scanline | is back (gone 16:30:26) |
| 04:52:16 | captain_proton | scanline: gots a divx for me? :) |
| 04:52:27 | scanline | captain_proton: I just moved it to the movies directory |
| 04:52:41 | scanline | I'm flipping through it to see if it encoded right.. looks good so far |
| 04:53:19 | scanline | yep |
| 04:53:41 | scanline | hmm.. 131GB free, no need to delete the VOB files yet |
| 04:54:06 | captain_proton | its all good? |
| 04:55:43 | scanline | looks like it |
| 04:56:04 | scanline | the beginning's there, the end's there, and a random sampling of other locations reveal no obvious problems |
| 04:56:20 | captain_proton | exxxxxxcelent |
| 04:56:23 | captain_proton | you should watch it |
| 04:56:26 | scanline | soon |
| 04:56:26 | captain_proton | fry your brain |
| 04:56:30 | scanline | 683MB |
| 04:56:50 | scanline | hehe.. it's funny |
| 04:57:32 | captain_proton | rsyncs it down |
| 04:57:40 | scanline | I had dinner with my family today after jeeping up Mt. Bross with my Dad and brother. I mentioned the topic of cheesy sci fi to my Mom, and it turns out that she knows of Zardoz and several other cheesy flicks |
| 04:57:53 | captain_proton | ooh |
| 04:57:54 | scanline | she made me lists of cheesy and good old sci-fi shows :) |
| 04:57:57 | captain_proton | woohoo |
| 04:58:01 | captain_proton | hit me with 'em |
| 04:58:07 | scanline | rummages for the list |
| 04:59:03 | captain_proton | mkisofs' for a zardoz cd |
| 05:00:59 | scanline | captain_proton: ok.. my mom said that the cheesiest sci fi movie ever was "C.H.U.D." |
| 05:01:29 | scanline | The thing that wouldn't die |
| 05:01:41 | scanline | the attack of the 60ft man |
| 05:01:48 | scanline | Night of the Leepus |
| 05:02:01 | scanline | Humanoids from the Deep |
| 05:02:04 | scanline | the invisible man |
| 05:02:07 | scanline | battlestar galactica |
| 05:03:11 | scanline | Saturn 5 |
| 05:03:25 | scanline | Leviathan |
| 05:03:28 | scanline | Creeps |
| 05:03:34 | scanline | Frogs |
| 05:03:49 | scanline | .. that's all of them from the cheesy section (except one where I can't read her handwriting) |
| 05:04:03 | scanline | my roommate suggests "It came from outer space" |
| 05:04:10 | captain_proton | chud? |
| 05:04:54 | scanline | it's an acronym... canabalistic humanoids something |
| 05:05:11 | captain_proton | uf death? |
| 05:05:17 | scanline | ;P |
| 05:05:33 | captain_proton | <grin> |
| 05:06:16 | scanline | hehe.. my mom has CHUD on DVD (I didn't have a chance to rip it) |
| 05:06:33 | captain_proton | oh, i've been meaning to go rent a dvd of Bucakroo Banzai: Across the Eighth Dimension |
| 05:06:43 | captain_proton | just to see what the real oscillation overthruster looks like :) |
| 05:07:30 | scanline | hehe |
| 05:07:43 | scanline | was that BZFlag's creation, or the previous maintainer? |
| 05:09:24 | captain_proton | chris i believe |
| 05:09:36 | captain_proton | or one of his SGI buddies |
| 05:09:53 | captain_proton | now chris has pixar buddies :P |
| 05:09:55 | captain_proton | is jealous |
| 05:23:04 | iLLf8d | gotta goto work bbitmorning =) |
| 05:31:09 | captain_proton | http://dancingbush.com/ <-- quality web site |
| 05:38:06 | scanline | is away: ZzZzzzz... |
| 06:44:30 | prodan | hm im having trouble connecting to any bzflag server except ducati (CET09:50) |
| 06:44:32 | akira_ | moin all |
| 06:44:39 | prodan | hello |
| 06:44:54 | prodan | cant connect to any server except ducati |
| 06:45:00 | prodan | any idea? |
| 06:53:17 | prodan | evrything ok |
| 07:07:07 | bomber | moin |
| 07:29:17 | bomber | someone expert in kdevelop ? |
| 08:03:05 | [BZ]Ruudi | hi |
| 08:19:30 | bomber | ibot:help |
| 08:38:31 | Chestal | good morning |
| 08:45:24 | [BZ]Ruudi | morning |
| 08:45:59 | [BZ]Ruudi | chestal maybe you can point any mysql administration thing with filemanage? i mean something for web hosting? |
| 08:48:42 | Chestal | Ruudi: nope, no idea |
| 08:50:41 | [BZ]Ruudi | too bad web programmin is my food but i don't know how to do it :P |
| 08:52:13 | sussudio | [BZ]Ruudi: i bet patlabor would say that if you're not using MicroSoft FrontPage Express to make your pages it's like beating minorities |
| 08:58:31 | [BZ]Ruudi | well FrontPage for database based web is best i guess :P |
| 08:59:25 | sussudio | FP is bad for anything |
| 09:01:15 | [BZ]Ruudi | i know :) |
| 09:01:40 | [BZ]Ruudi | i got homesite 5 works well but what i need is something like phpMyAdmin only with file upload |
| 09:37:13 | bomber | is away: lunch |
| 10:23:35 | sussudio | can someone fix the list? |
| 10:29:51 | sussudio | ok i think i fixed it by submitting my server |
| 10:31:20 | sussudio | hmm |
| 10:31:21 | sussudio | or not |
| 10:45:34 | bomber | is back (gone 01:08:21) |
| 10:52:40 | bomber | Pinguin |
| 10:52:57 | [BZ]Ruudi | Warning: Cannot add header information - headers already sent by (output started at / home/webija/www/html_header.php:9) in /home/webija/www/lib/init.inc on line 111 -- hmm what that means something needed to be put into header not where it is right now? |
| 10:53:21 | [BZ]Ruudi | cookie seting problems... |
| 11:13:05 | Pinguin | bomber |
| 11:13:33 | bomber | hast du schon webcams? |
| 11:13:57 | Pinguin | Nö ... ich werde mal anrufen ... |
| 11:14:13 | bomber | ok |
| 11:50:52 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 11:50:52 | MrCooper | ibot: ducati? |
| 11:50:53 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 11:51:51 | prodan | MrCooper???? |
| 11:55:27 | [BZ]Ruudi | oh goash opera sux |
| 11:56:02 | MrCooper | prodan: ? |
| 11:56:33 | prodan | where do i find info on commands like bzfquerylong |
| 11:56:50 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 11:56:50 | [BZ]Ruudi | ibot ducati |
| 11:56:51 | bzbot | Ruudi [BZ] (R): -1 (0-1). |
| 11:57:05 | MrCooper | lol, -1 |
| 11:57:09 | [BZ]Ruudi | :) |
| 11:57:13 | [BZ]Ruudi | self blasto |
| 11:57:17 | [BZ]Ruudi | come and kill me eh? |
| 11:57:23 | sussudio | any idea how to make bzf not suck under debian? |
| 11:57:25 | MrCooper | prodan: ask the bots for help? |
| 11:57:27 | bomber | is away: coffee |
| 11:57:35 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 11:57:35 | prodan | ibot ducati |
| 11:57:36 | MrCooper | sussudio: it doesn't suck under Debian :) |
| 11:57:36 | bzbot | Ruudi [BZ] (R): -1 (0-1). |
| 11:57:44 | prodan | nothing sux under debian |
| 11:57:49 | sussudio | MrCooper: i'd call 20fps suck compared to 140 under win2000 |
| 11:57:55 | prodan | not even msword on wine |
| 11:58:03 | MrCooper | sussudio: what card? |
| 11:58:09 | prodan | how do you get fps |
| 11:58:10 | sussudio | MrCooper: ati radeon aiw 7200 |
| 11:58:20 | [BZ]Ruudi | dam winamp 3 eats too mutch cpu makes my bz skipy |
| 11:58:21 | sussudio | i'm using the gatos drivers for x 4.1 |
| 11:58:34 | MrCooper | sussudio: try debhttp://penguinppc.org/~daenzer/debian/dri-trunk/./ |
| 11:58:48 | sussudio | what's that |
| 11:58:54 | MrCooper | no GATOS stuff there though |
| 11:58:55 | [BZ]Ruudi | oh common into ducati nice clean map just balst'n'dodge |
| 11:59:06 | MrCooper | sussudio: snapshot packages from DRI CVS |
| 11:59:27 | sussudio | i'm on i386 |
| 11:59:37 | MrCooper | sussudio: with hardware TCL and page flipping |
| 11:59:50 | MrCooper | sussudio: there are i386 debs |
| 11:59:54 | sussudio | ok |
| 12:00:43 | sussudio | redualboots |
| 12:17:40 | bomber | is back (gone 00:20:13) |
| 12:17:48 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:17:48 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 12:17:49 | bzbot | Ruudi [BZ] (R): 2 (6-4). bongo (G): -1 (28-29). trubi (R): -7 (14-21). |
| 12:48:51 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:48:51 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 12:48:52 | bzbot | prodan (penguins) (G): 0 (0-0). Rawen ra (R): 1 (1-0). bongo (G): -2 (98-100). Try me (G): -14 (9-23). |
| 12:56:27 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 12:56:27 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 12:56:28 | bzbot | prodan (penguins) (G): -4 (6-10). Rawen ra (R): 10 (19-9). Try me (G): -14 (9-23). |
| 13:42:28 | sussudio | :-P |
| 13:43:42 | sussudio | where the friggin paste in Konsole |
| 14:07:29 | sussudio | sighs |
| 14:07:39 | jzaun | sighs louder |
| 14:08:05 | sussudio | i installed that xserver-dri stuff and now the whole shit crashes..... black screen |
| 14:08:50 | jzaun | what version of X? |
| 14:09:45 | MrCooper | sussudio: when does it crash? |
| 14:09:55 | sussudio | when i start bzflag |
| 14:10:05 | sussudio | X 4.0.1.17 |
| 14:10:10 | sussudio | -17 |
| 14:10:39 | sussudio | it said something about wanting a radeon.o 1.3 in glxinfo and disabling tcl or something similar |
| 14:19:30 | sussudio | 4.1.0-17 even |
| 14:20:46 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 14:20:46 | bomber | ibot: ducati? |
| 14:20:47 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 14:20:55 | prodan | ;-) |
| 14:55:17 | iLLf8d | night all |
| 15:31:18 | PerfectCell | i think 30% till 40% of the geomtry is always in a glFrustum, due to large distance of the back clipping frame in the frustum. |
| 15:31:30 | PerfectCell | in bzflag |
| 15:31:50 | patlabor221 | depends on thr world |
| 15:32:07 | PerfectCell | yes sure if it goes high |
| 15:32:58 | patlabor221 | if it's made of lots large things then yeah |
| 15:33:19 | patlabor221 | lots of small stuff, then proalby not |
| 15:33:35 | PerfectCell | what system do u need to rung bzflag with playable framerate(25 frames) |
| 15:33:37 | patlabor221 | and yeah tall ones would id it too |
| 15:34:05 | patlabor221 | I'd say anything current with a radeon or GF1 |
| 15:34:09 | patlabor221 | at 800 x 600 |
| 15:34:23 | patlabor221 | like 400 or faster with those cards would do it |
| 15:34:45 | PerfectCell | oh thats quite ok |
| 15:34:48 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 15:34:56 | patlabor221 | it's not realy that intenisve |
| 15:35:05 | patlabor221 | less then 20 textures |
| 15:35:29 | patlabor221 | most of the lag is from network stuff not framerate |
| 15:35:51 | PerfectCell | does it sort polygons |
| 15:36:13 | patlabor221 | that I don't know |
| 15:36:16 | patlabor221 | but I don't think so |
| 15:36:20 | patlabor221 | nothing is transperant |
| 15:36:24 | PerfectCell | oh k |
| 15:36:40 | patlabor221 | and it does not do oclusion culling |
| 15:36:46 | patlabor221 | so prolaby not |
| 15:37:02 | patlabor221 | it may sort the teleoprter fields |
| 15:37:11 | patlabor221 | or jsut turn off z writes |
| 15:37:26 | PerfectCell | what structure does it use for spatial partitioning? |
| 15:37:32 | patlabor221 | it dosn't |
| 15:37:38 | patlabor221 | object soup |
| 15:37:43 | PerfectCell | he? |
| 15:37:55 | patlabor221 | just culls the objects to the frustum |
| 15:38:07 | PerfectCell | it has to handle lots of bullets |
| 15:38:11 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 15:38:16 | patlabor221 | not THAT many |
| 15:38:31 | patlabor221 | and the shots are just 2 quads |
| 15:38:40 | patlabor221 | so no large poly increase tehre |
| 15:38:47 | patlabor221 | sorry 1 quad |
| 15:38:50 | patlabor221 | 2 tris |
| 15:38:53 | PerfectCell | i mean the collision detection part |
| 15:39:01 | PerfectCell | with the bullets |
| 15:39:06 | patlabor221 | yup |
| 15:39:12 | PerfectCell | and static geometry |
| 15:39:21 | patlabor221 | there are only 2 types of colisons |
| 15:39:31 | patlabor221 | point to box and point to pyrimid |
| 15:39:31 | PerfectCell | ray? |
| 15:39:43 | patlabor221 | that I don't know |
| 15:40:14 | patlabor221 | but since the world is not made of arbitrary geo, then a number of shortcuts can be taken with the colisions |
| 15:40:36 | patlabor221 | everything is made of ether boxes or pyramids |
| 15:40:42 | PerfectCell | yes |
| 15:40:59 | patlabor221 | and line box intersections are easy |
| 15:41:05 | PerfectCell | sure |
| 15:41:22 | patlabor221 | and the pyamid can be seen as a subset of that |
| 15:41:27 | PerfectCell | and every client handels its own bullets only |
| 15:41:35 | patlabor221 | in 1.7 yes |
| 15:41:43 | PerfectCell | ok |
| 15:41:44 | patlabor221 | no wiat |
| 15:41:47 | patlabor221 | they do them all |
| 15:41:56 | patlabor221 | they have to do everyones |
| 15:41:58 | patlabor221 | I think |
| 15:42:02 | PerfectCell | no not against static geometry |
| 15:42:28 | PerfectCell | oh wrong, they have to do it, because of lag |
| 15:42:37 | PerfectCell | sorry i was wrong |
| 15:43:07 | PerfectCell | err |
| 15:43:11 | PerfectCell | im not sure |
| 15:44:15 | PerfectCell | i think the position of the bullet is transported to other clients at every frame |
| 15:44:45 | PerfectCell | or they use a shot path |
| 15:46:17 | PerfectCell | for a normal bullet the shotpath depens only on its initial values, position and velocity vector |
| 15:47:00 | PerfectCell | but for a quided missile shot paht its little bit complicated, have to think about it |
| 15:56:19 | patlabor221 | dono |
| 15:56:34 | patlabor221 | I don't know how it transmits all that data |
| 15:56:50 | patlabor221 | that's something the people who hack up the cheats would know |
| 16:02:08 | PerfectCell | i saw some things liek shot strategies and dynamic partioning for dynamic objects, as i went through the code once |
| 16:03:17 | patlabor221 | the shot strategies are what figure how how bullets bounce |
| 16:03:41 | patlabor221 | fears the open GL raycaster |
| 16:11:20 | PerfectCell | how much is the average income in the game industry? |
| 16:11:32 | captain_proton | $5 |
| 16:11:53 | patlabor221 | depends on the job you do? |
| 16:12:06 | patlabor221 | like lead programer? |
| 16:12:24 | patlabor221 | or something like tools dev |
| 16:12:25 | PerfectCell | no normal programmer with university |
| 16:12:28 | patlabor221 | or producer |
| 16:12:39 | patlabor221 | so just a secondary dev |
| 16:12:45 | PerfectCell | yes |
| 16:12:48 | patlabor221 | in the us 60 - 80 k |
| 16:12:58 | PerfectCell | per year |
| 16:13:00 | patlabor221 | depends on where the compnay is |
| 16:13:01 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:13:17 | PerfectCell | sounds incredible, that much |
| 16:13:22 | patlabor221 | it's not that much difrent then a regular dev |
| 16:13:26 | patlabor221 | for anything else |
| 16:13:32 | patlabor221 | well I am in California |
| 16:13:39 | patlabor221 | so the cost of living is higher |
| 16:13:52 | PerfectCell | 60-80k iare that us dollar? |
| 16:13:57 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:14:06 | PerfectCell | thats so sooooooooo muuch |
| 16:14:23 | patlabor221 | not realy when you live out here |
| 16:14:43 | PerfectCell | is live so expensive in california? |
| 16:14:50 | patlabor221 | more so then other places |
| 16:15:08 | patlabor221 | what would your rent be for a nice house there? |
| 16:15:20 | PerfectCell | but u there are workarounds, u can live cheap if u want |
| 16:15:27 | patlabor221 | not realy |
| 16:15:36 | PerfectCell | not? |
| 16:15:47 | patlabor221 | I mean you HAVE to have a car |
| 16:16:06 | PerfectCell | sure |
| 16:16:11 | patlabor221 | and the cheapest place I can find to rent is in a hell hole |
| 16:16:18 | patlabor221 | and hat' $800 a month |
| 16:16:29 | PerfectCell | oh, thats tooo much |
| 16:16:45 | patlabor221 | and that the cheapest thing in the entire town |
| 16:17:07 | patlabor221 | most morgage paymest are over 2k a month |
| 16:17:16 | patlabor221 | so it goes fast |
| 16:17:20 | PerfectCell | here in germany u get 40-50k |
| 16:17:32 | patlabor221 | but how much is it to get a place to live |
| 16:17:49 | PerfectCell | 400$ per month |
| 16:17:54 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:18:13 | patlabor221 | so it's all relitive |
| 16:18:28 | patlabor221 | game dev is not some magic industry where they jut give away money |
| 16:18:44 | PerfectCell | do the companies involve the developers on the success ogf a game? |
| 16:18:53 | patlabor221 | like profit sharing |
| 16:18:55 | patlabor221 | sometimes |
| 16:18:58 | patlabor221 | but usualy not |
| 16:19:01 | PerfectCell | k |
| 16:19:07 | patlabor221 | most developemnt houses never see much of the money |
| 16:19:16 | patlabor221 | the publisher gets all that |
| 16:19:17 | PerfectCell | why? |
| 16:19:23 | PerfectCell | ah, k |
| 16:19:38 | patlabor221 | the developer is actulay just contracted to write the thing |
| 16:19:41 | PerfectCell | but they have minor risk |
| 16:19:45 | patlabor221 | the publisher puts up all the money |
| 16:19:59 | PerfectCell | k |
| 16:19:59 | patlabor221 | and does the advertising |
| 16:20:07 | patlabor221 | and gets it ditribueted |
| 16:20:27 | patlabor221 | that usualy costs more then the developement of the game |
| 16:20:43 | patlabor221 | also development houses almost never support there game |
| 16:20:51 | patlabor221 | the publisher provides the support |
| 16:20:58 | PerfectCell | k |
| 16:21:00 | patlabor221 | now there are devs that do self publish |
| 16:21:03 | patlabor221 | but it's rare |
| 16:21:13 | patlabor221 | for a developer |
| 16:21:18 | PerfectCell | like squaresoft |
| 16:21:19 | patlabor221 | its just a job to make code |
| 16:21:36 | patlabor221 | now the code does have swords, and tanks and stuff |
| 16:21:42 | patlabor221 | so that makes it a bit more interesting |
| 16:21:48 | PerfectCell | :) |
| 16:22:06 | patlabor221 | but that' offset by the deadlines |
| 16:22:32 | patlabor221 | since you are sort of beholden to the publisher, you have to get stuff done when they need it |
| 16:22:34 | PerfectCell | aha, lot of pressure |
| 16:22:38 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:22:52 | patlabor221 | and if it's a big title it HAS to work on all systems |
| 16:23:18 | patlabor221 | so it has pros and cons |
| 16:23:21 | PerfectCell | dont u buy a game engine that suports all systems |
| 16:23:32 | patlabor221 | not eveyr buys engines |
| 16:23:40 | PerfectCell | k |
| 16:23:46 | patlabor221 | most of the large engines work on all modern systems |
| 16:23:54 | patlabor221 | I'm not talking cross platform stuff |
| 16:23:57 | PerfectCell | yes i discovered that |
| 16:23:59 | patlabor221 | I just mean all the hardware |
| 16:24:17 | PerfectCell | ah, k |
| 16:24:32 | patlabor221 | it can't crash just cus some idiot trys to use it on a voodoo 2 or something |
| 16:24:44 | patlabor221 | a lot if testing goes into games |
| 16:25:17 | PerfectCell | yes the hardware varieties and configs are a prob |
| 16:25:24 | patlabor221 | and sometimes things can get interesting when the creative team and the techincal team don't agree |
| 16:25:36 | PerfectCell | that happens? |
| 16:25:43 | patlabor221 | artists are picky, and the programers are stuborn |
| 16:26:04 | patlabor221 | usualy it's that the artists want to do stuff that the engine can't do |
| 16:26:08 | patlabor221 | or is slow |
| 16:26:17 | PerfectCell | so artists hate constraints |
| 16:26:32 | patlabor221 | or the programers have done something that dosn't work well with the art |
| 16:26:44 | patlabor221 | or just that someone dosn't like the way it all works |
| 16:26:45 | PerfectCell | lot of problems |
| 16:26:48 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:27:01 | patlabor221 | that's where the game producer comes int |
| 16:27:08 | patlabor221 | they help work it all out |
| 16:27:14 | patlabor221 | make sure the art team is happy |
| 16:27:20 | PerfectCell | but if the product is finished eeryone is happy? |
| 16:27:20 | patlabor221 | that the devs have what they need |
| 16:27:28 | patlabor221 | not allways |
| 16:27:40 | patlabor221 | some on the team may not like the end result |
| 16:28:04 | patlabor221 | usualy there is a tools programer that is there to get the art team what they need |
| 16:28:18 | PerfectCell | how is it controlled that to prohibit some do all the work and others do only little |
| 16:28:28 | patlabor221 | manangemnt |
| 16:28:37 | PerfectCell | is that always fair |
| 16:28:46 | PerfectCell | depens on the ppl |
| 16:28:47 | patlabor221 | as allways it depends |
| 16:28:49 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:29:08 | patlabor221 | making a modern game title takes 30 people about 18 months |
| 16:29:41 | PerfectCell | i think its hard to get a well balanced team |
| 16:29:46 | patlabor221 | that it is |
| 16:29:52 | patlabor221 | that's why when the find one |
| 16:29:58 | patlabor221 | they try to keep them together |
| 16:30:06 | PerfectCell | clear |
| 16:30:33 | patlabor221 | that's why you allways hear that new games are "from the same team that made this other game" |
| 16:30:48 | PerfectCell | right |
| 16:31:39 | patlabor221 | like with unreal, epic found a group of artists and contenet develoeprs called "digital extremes", and they worked realy well together, so they have done like 6 projets together |
| 16:32:14 | PerfectCell | how do they discover if they work well together |
| 16:32:35 | captain_proton | they work on a game and see how many guns get confiscated at the door |
| 16:32:46 | PerfectCell | lol |
| 16:33:13 | patlabor221 | that and time |
| 16:33:30 | patlabor221 | look at Duke-Nukem-4-ever |
| 16:33:38 | patlabor221 | that game has been in progress ofr 4 years now |
| 16:33:47 | patlabor221 | all because of team issues |
| 16:34:05 | patlabor221 | they have changed people soo much that none of the orignal people are on it any more |
| 16:34:14 | patlabor221 | they even changed engines |
| 16:34:20 | PerfectCell | hmm, thats bad, |
| 16:34:24 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 16:34:33 | patlabor221 | there game is now considerd a joke |
| 16:34:36 | PerfectCell | did they wanted too much |
| 16:34:44 | patlabor221 | they aregued too much |
| 16:34:50 | patlabor221 | the producer wanted too much |
| 16:35:03 | PerfectCell | k, but got payed for it? |
| 16:35:09 | patlabor221 | when they changed engines they had to do redo all the art |
| 16:35:27 | patlabor221 | the producer is paied by the publisher |
| 16:35:31 | PerfectCell | well, there are lot of redundant tasks then |
| 16:35:43 | patlabor221 | they get paied but the pubisher expects to see resulsts |
| 16:36:00 | patlabor221 | everyone is realy paied byt the pubisher |
| 16:36:12 | patlabor221 | the producer is like the link between the too |
| 16:36:31 | patlabor221 | there realy isn't that much redundancy |
| 16:36:55 | PerfectCell | what does a publisher do if u dont get the stuff done when they want it |
| 16:36:56 | patlabor221 | it works sort of like a streamlined version of the movie industry |
| 16:37:15 | patlabor221 | they find a way to get you to do it |
| 16:37:21 | patlabor221 | if you need more help, more assests |
| 16:37:26 | patlabor221 | or if you just a slacker |
| 16:37:29 | patlabor221 | they can your ass |
| 16:37:58 | PerfectCell | oh, k, but mostly they are interested in getitng the game finished anyway |
| 16:37:59 | patlabor221 | it's the producers job to make sure that everyone has what they need to do there task |
| 16:38:05 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 16:38:15 | patlabor221 | that realy is there only job |
| 16:38:24 | patlabor221 | the coordinate all the difrent people |
| 16:38:35 | PerfectCell | is it the best payed job? |
| 16:38:48 | patlabor221 | it can be |
| 16:38:52 | patlabor221 | it's most stress |
| 16:38:55 | patlabor221 | no programing |
| 16:39:05 | patlabor221 | all people skills |
| 16:39:05 | PerfectCell | but minor development work |
| 16:39:14 | patlabor221 | not usualy |
| 16:39:21 | PerfectCell | u just talk with ppl |
| 16:39:23 | captain_proton | architect is probably the highest paid, at least if everything is being done in-house (engine, etc) |
| 16:39:24 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:39:30 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:39:37 | patlabor221 | or designer |
| 16:39:48 | patlabor221 | the guy who comes up with the "game" part |
| 16:40:02 | PerfectCell | what does he do exactly |
| 16:40:05 | patlabor221 | but engine architech is 'the man' |
| 16:40:15 | patlabor221 | he makes the core of the thing 'go' |
| 16:40:15 | PerfectCell | why |
| 16:40:25 | patlabor221 | writes the core engine code |
| 16:40:30 | patlabor221 | the core game code |
| 16:40:37 | captain_proton | off to rehearsal |
| 16:40:40 | patlabor221 | the one person who knows all the techincal stuff |
| 16:40:43 | patlabor221 | have fun |
| 16:41:10 | PerfectCell | and does he get good payment, or is he only the man, the wizard |
| 16:41:22 | patlabor221 | John Carmac is a engine arhcitech, the guy who made mario, is a designer |
| 16:41:33 | patlabor221 | depends on the project |
| 16:41:45 | patlabor221 | usualy there is a 3-5 man dev team |
| 16:41:51 | patlabor221 | with 1 as the lead |
| 16:42:03 | patlabor221 | the guy who desingns how the code is suposed to work |
| 16:42:17 | patlabor221 | then he splits off parts to the other devs |
| 16:42:18 | PerfectCell | doo some ppl work at night too, and sleep next to their pc :)? |
| 16:42:25 | patlabor221 | it can happen |
| 16:42:38 | patlabor221 | mostly when there is a deadline nearing |
| 16:42:40 | PerfectCell | i hope it never happens to me |
| 16:43:30 | PerfectCell | i need 10-12 hours of sleep to reganarate |
| 16:44:38 | patlabor221 | 12 hours? |
| 16:44:42 | patlabor221 | wow that's a lot |
| 16:45:50 | patlabor221 | they WILL ask you to work odd hours |
| 16:46:13 | patlabor221 | producers work the most hours |
| 16:46:30 | patlabor221 | because they have to keep up with everyone elses schedule |
| 16:48:35 | patlabor221 | wheeee I love recursion. |
| 16:48:51 | PerfectCell | i not its too complicated |
| 16:48:58 | patlabor221 | ? |
| 16:49:32 | PerfectCell | recursion can be very very complicated to imagine |
| 16:49:43 | patlabor221 | not realy |
| 16:49:49 | patlabor221 | just have to design it right |
| 16:50:00 | patlabor221 | and ALWAYS have a way out. |
| 16:50:34 | PerfectCell | i have my informatics books full with recursion, and belief me it explodes ur brain |
| 16:52:12 | patlabor221 | well I find it usefull for things like visiblility calcs. |
| 16:52:44 | PerfectCell | explain |
| 16:52:47 | PerfectCell | plz |
| 16:53:11 | PerfectCell | thats my topic of the last days:visibility |
| 16:53:57 | patlabor221 | well anything that does it visiblity check by "walking" out from the current user position and checking what is visable. |
| 16:54:09 | patlabor221 | the most common is the interior portal engine |
| 16:54:20 | patlabor221 | you recursively check the portals that you can see |
| 16:54:41 | patlabor221 | same for octrees |
| 16:54:48 | patlabor221 | you start at the outer node |
| 16:55:03 | patlabor221 | and work your way in untill you get your target condition |
| 16:55:10 | PerfectCell | but isnt it slow due to the many function calls |
| 16:55:12 | patlabor221 | very well suited to recursion |
| 16:55:29 | patlabor221 | no slower then a huge loop |
| 16:55:37 | patlabor221 | if it's designed right |
| 16:55:46 | PerfectCell | k |
| 16:56:10 | patlabor221 | and since it's the same function, you know it's allready in the CPU cashe |
| 16:56:32 | patlabor221 | so it has a tendancy to be faster then loop manangment |
| 16:56:45 | PerfectCell | could u make it inline, i quess no |
| 16:56:59 | patlabor221 | there would be no point |
| 16:57:09 | PerfectCell | ok |
| 16:57:16 | patlabor221 | modern compilers are rather good at optimising code |
| 17:10:48 | PerfectCell | why the hell is texture binding so expensive, why not submit just a texture id with every primitive |
| 17:10:54 | PerfectCell | to the hardware |
| 17:11:03 | patlabor221 | OpenGL is a state machine |
| 17:11:08 | doughecka | is away: eating |
| 17:11:17 | patlabor221 | there is nothing in GL that is a primitive |
| 17:12:00 | patlabor221 | when you change the texture state, a bunch of stuff is flushed. |
| 17:12:10 | PerfectCell | what stuff? |
| 17:12:14 | patlabor221 | GL 2.0 is suposed to handle this difrently |
| 17:12:22 | patlabor221 | moslty cashes |
| 17:12:28 | PerfectCell | ah k |
| 17:12:29 | patlabor221 | and a lot of state data |
| 17:14:31 | PerfectCell | why is there no way to use glPolygonOffset for line drawing |
| 17:15:28 | PerfectCell | u only can draw Polygons with glOffsetMode(GL_LINE) |
| 17:17:47 | patlabor221 | that's just the way it works |
| 17:18:57 | PerfectCell | so i have to use glEdgeFlagPointer to draw only the edges i want |
| 17:19:39 | PerfectCell | how good is screen door transparency |
| 17:23:23 | PerfectCell | hmm i have decided to change my static geometry, from using instances of the same object,to a static polygon soup, it will take more memory but i can have the polygons all in world space not in object space, which had some extra difficulties when performing collider polygons selection |
| 17:25:29 | PerfectCell | i try to make it as simple as possible now, taking into account large memory allocations |
| 17:27:25 | patlabor221 | screen door? |
| 17:28:46 | PerfectCell | glPolygonStipple with a 32x32 1 bit per pixel image, chess board like pattern, |
| 17:29:36 | PerfectCell | the opengl.org FAQs call it screendoor transparency, cause u have a liitle door for every transparen pixel |
| 17:30:25 | PerfectCell | the door is open |
| 17:30:36 | PerfectCell | thats how i interpret it |
| 17:35:12 | gonkulator{work} | is away: test time |
| 17:41:18 | doughecka | is back |
| 17:41:29 | doughecka | is away: school |
| 17:42:31 | PerfectCell | since u can send different wavelengths of light trough fibre optic cables at once, there should be nearly no data transfare limit in the eraly future |
| 17:42:55 | doughecka | you would think |
| 17:43:15 | PerfectCell | u could download terrabytes in no time, if the hardware supports it |
| 17:43:38 | PerfectCell | but that would need faste hard disks |
| 17:43:46 | doughecka | yea |
| 17:43:48 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:43:55 | doughecka | wonders back out into class |
| 17:46:58 | PerfectCell | seems strange that everythink in nature runs parallel without to care about threadsafety |
| 17:48:50 | PerfectCell | ro is it not really parallel, but looks like that, i just wonder, cause the day gets to its end, and i know i have to go to bed soon, so i start to wonder:), so ignore me, i have nothing that is worth to be started, since i go to bed soon |
| 17:55:46 | sussudio | errr i accidently started my bzfs with list announce :-P there were 2 people within a minute and i just started the map 5 mins ago.... has 2 buildings |
| 17:56:02 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:56:39 | doughecka | is away: shcool |
| 17:59:03 | sussudio | nobody is even complaining about the empty map |
| 18:11:17 | | patlabor221 was last seen on #bzflag 43 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: screen door? [Mon Sep 16 18:27:25 2002] |
| 18:11:17 | bzdoug_ | ibot seen patlabor221 |
| 18:22:31 | scanline | is back (gone 12:44:26) |
| 18:26:01 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room before sitting in the dry lecture halls |
| 18:33:36 | captain_proton | <PerfectCell> since u can send different wavelengths of light trough fibre optic cables at once, there should be nearly no data transfare limit in the eraly future <-- ugh |
| 18:33:56 | captain_proton | you can send a number of different wavelengths multiplexed together |
| 18:34:32 | captain_proton | but there is always a finite limit to the number, due to the material of the fiber |
| 18:39:36 | bzdoug_ | is away: burying a cat |
| 18:49:10 | captain_proton | throws a tantrum waiting for his sound card to arrive |
| 18:51:35 | sussudio | throws a sb 1.2 at captain_proton |
| 18:53:02 | captain_proton | pokes patlabor221 |
| 18:54:26 | m0nkey_b0y | hillo |
| 18:54:27 | bzdoug_ | is back |
| 18:54:40 | jzaun | welcome back |
| 18:54:48 | bzdoug_ | grins |
| 18:54:58 | bzdoug_ | pokes patlabor221 |
| 18:55:09 | captain_proton | 'lo m0nkey_b0y - how goes? |
| 18:55:51 | bzdoug_ | heya monkey |
| 18:56:07 | m0nkey_b0y | going very well. how about you all? |
| 18:56:17 | bzdoug_ | fine |
| 18:56:25 | jzaun | good here too |
| 18:56:30 | m0nkey_b0y | happy monday to you |
| 18:56:45 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 18:57:26 | jzaun | captain_proton: The news on the from page of stats.bzflag.org, should all players be able to post? If so, how should it be monitored, if at all? |
| 18:58:28 | captain_proton | jzaun: players who have signed up should be able to post, with a warning that if they post something inappropriate their password will be locked |
| 18:58:50 | bzdoug_ | ow |
| 18:58:59 | jzaun | captain_proton: sounds like a plan |
| 18:59:25 | sussudio | note to self: do not copy 119 boxes in a row |
| 18:59:27 | captain_proton | i'd be great if my sound card would arrive :P |
| 18:59:40 | jzaun | captain_proton: what you order? |
| 19:00:06 | captain_proton | sblive 5.1 |
| 19:00:15 | captain_proton | because my current one sucks ass |
| 19:00:30 | jzaun | Would be nice, digital out? |
| 19:00:36 | captain_proton | yep |
| 19:00:44 | jzaun | Suround Sound? |
| 19:00:49 | captain_proton | uhhuh |
| 19:00:54 | captain_proton | technically my current card does all of that |
| 19:00:54 | m0nkey_b0y | so umm..people can track down the monkey with this stats.bzflag.org |
| 19:00:57 | jzaun | Linux support that? |
| 19:00:58 | captain_proton | but only in windows :( |
| 19:01:12 | captain_proton | linux support for all the sb products is excellent |
| 19:01:19 | captain_proton | they've got the best sound drivers out there |
| 19:01:32 | jzaun | yah, but does anything in linux use surround sound? |
| 19:02:03 | captain_proton | my supah-music-player splits things out into surround |
| 19:02:36 | bzdouglas | weee |
| 19:02:39 | bzdouglas | power outage |
| 19:02:47 | jzaun | So when is BZF gonna support surround sound? :-) |
| 19:02:50 | patlabor221 | now power and you are still on? |
| 19:02:55 | bzdouglas | hm |
| 19:02:57 | jzaun | I wana hear what direction tanks are coming |
| 19:03:02 | bzdouglas | the wireless huv died |
| 19:03:06 | bzdouglas | hub* |
| 19:03:06 | patlabor221 | it has positonal sound now |
| 19:03:13 | bzdouglas | but everyhting else thayed up |
| 19:03:22 | bzdouglas | pat: greetings |
| 19:03:32 | captain_proton | probably wouldn't be too hard |
| 19:03:40 | captain_proton | just add sound events at each tank when they're driving |
| 19:03:49 | bzdouglas | yea! |
| 19:03:49 | captain_proton | and add an alsa audio out |
| 19:04:41 | captain_proton | is too lazy to do it tho |
| 19:05:33 | patlabor221 | me is lazyer |
| 19:05:48 | patlabor221 | see I am soo lazy I didn't type the / |
| 19:05:52 | captain_proton | haha |
| 19:09:46 | patlabor221 | wants cap to see the openGL raycaster |
| 19:10:47 | captain_proton | patlabor221: where was that image with the toolbar icons? |
| 19:10:58 | patlabor221 | umm on my site |
| 19:11:02 | patlabor221 | let me look |
| 19:11:22 | captain_proton | ah nevermind |
| 19:11:27 | captain_proton | found it in my hist |
| 19:11:29 | patlabor221 | I am gonna have to instal GTK2.0 to see your editor |
| 19:11:30 | patlabor221 | ok |
| 19:11:38 | patlabor221 | arn't I? |
| 19:12:06 | m0nkey_b0y | jzaun you there? |
| 19:12:08 | jzaun | What categories should there be to post under, besides General |
| 19:12:12 | jzaun | m0nkey_b0y: yah |
| 19:12:21 | m0nkey_b0y | question about that stats siite. |
| 19:12:24 | bzdouglas | cheese |
| 19:12:35 | jzaun | stats.bzflag.org, shoot |
| 19:12:35 | m0nkey_b0y | i see myself there as "creepy" |
| 19:12:37 | bzdouglas | tech support |
| 19:12:43 | m0nkey_b0y | but not m0nkey_b0y |
| 19:12:50 | m0nkey_b0y | which i played as last nite |
| 19:12:59 | jzaun | m0nkey_b0y: let me check |
| 19:13:03 | m0nkey_b0y | my highgscore is not reported yet. |
| 19:13:14 | bzdouglas | how about support for looking up emails? |
| 19:13:22 | bzdouglas | so it could keep track of players |
| 19:13:24 | m0nkey_b0y | you guys like my typo skillzzzz? |
| 19:13:28 | bzdouglas | even if they change names |
| 19:13:29 | m0nkey_b0y | ;) |
| 19:13:39 | bzdouglas | is that possible? |
| 19:14:11 | bzdouglas | you know, the email tag |
| 19:14:15 | bzdouglas | in bzflag |
| 19:14:26 | jzaun | m0nkey_b0y: may be my fault... I had the timeout set for 1 sec on my sript... lit looks like it was skipping a few servers, I lowered it to 5 sec. so it should pick them up |
| 19:14:43 | m0nkey_b0y | ;) |
| 19:14:43 | captain_proton | you're gonna have to isntall all of gnome2 |
| 19:14:47 | captain_proton | but its worth it |
| 19:14:57 | bzdouglas | jzaun: is that possible? |
| 19:15:08 | bzdouglas | jzaun: checking the email tags? |
| 19:15:08 | jzaun | bzdouglas: let me catchup |
| 19:15:13 | bzdouglas | k |
| 19:15:34 | m0nkey_b0y | this stats page is coolio |
| 19:15:47 | jzaun | m0nkey_b0y: Thanks, should login an update your info |
| 19:15:58 | jzaun | bzdouglas: I do keep the emails of signedup players |
| 19:16:03 | bzdouglas | yea |
| 19:16:05 | m0nkey_b0y | ok jzaun |
| 19:16:08 | jzaun | bzdouglas: so it is possible to do a search on them |
| 19:16:12 | bzdouglas | k |
| 19:16:15 | jzaun | bzdouglas: up I currently don;t |
| 19:16:22 | bzdouglas | hmm |
| 19:16:33 | bzdouglas | is that possible to sort names under emails? |
| 19:16:46 | jzaun | It is displayed (if not marked private) on the players page |
| 19:16:48 | bzdouglas | so it would keep highscores togehter? |
| 19:16:57 | bzdouglas | hmm |
| 19:17:07 | m0nkey_b0y | sorry..another question. is email public to all? |
| 19:17:15 | m0nkey_b0y | at login |
| 19:17:24 | jzaun | m0nkey_b0y: once you signup you can mark it private |
| 19:17:32 | jzaun | in the "Edit Prefs" section |
| 19:17:33 | m0nkey_b0y | cool tnx |
| 19:17:42 | captain_proton | jzaun: the icons(?) in the main menu after you login are broken images |
| 19:17:53 | jzaun | captain_proton: They don't exist yet |
| 19:17:57 | jzaun | captain_proton: I'm no artist |
| 19:18:19 | m0nkey_b0y | hehe...says i need to play bzflag to have an account |
| 19:18:23 | m0nkey_b0y | hmmmm |
| 19:18:25 | captain_proton | that would explain it |
| 19:18:38 | jzaun | m0nkey_b0y: only captured callsigns may login |
| 19:18:44 | m0nkey_b0y | cuz..i never play the game. :D |
| 19:18:48 | jzaun | if you want to use m0nkey_b0y go play for a few min |
| 19:18:56 | m0nkey_b0y | k |
| 19:19:03 | bzdouglas | jzaun: I am thinking of the email after the callsigns in bzflag, is that what your thinkin of? |
| 19:19:16 | jzaun | bzdouglas: I tried that... :-( |
| 19:19:32 | jzaun | bzdouglas: no one uses them, and those that do rarelly but emails in there |
| 19:19:33 | bzdouglas | oh? |
| 19:19:38 | bzdouglas | hmm |
| 19:19:47 | bzdouglas | well, could you put it in there anyway? |
| 19:19:56 | bzdouglas | just for people that use them? |
| 19:20:09 | jzaun | Sore it in the database? it would be useless 99% of the time |
| 19:20:16 | jzaun | Store* |
| 19:20:37 | bzdouglas | and to help keep track of callsigns that change all the time |
| 19:20:58 | bzdouglas | so if I played under 3 names |
| 19:21:08 | bzdouglas | all my scores would be put under one name |
| 19:21:25 | jzaun | They are 3 different players, technically, and should be tracked as seperate highscores and whatnot... |
| 19:21:33 | jzaun | There is a reason for that view... |
| 19:21:47 | jzaun | 1 callsign to actually play with, the other to screw around with |
| 19:21:52 | bzdouglas | hmm |
| 19:22:28 | jzaun | callsigns not played with for a month will be auto-removed |
| 19:22:37 | bzdouglas | well, some people change it all the time, so the email field could be a password of sorts, just to keep track where that person is playing... etc |
| 19:22:45 | bzdouglas | ah, ok |
| 19:22:56 | bzdouglas | OR! |
| 19:23:02 | bzdouglas | if you detect a email |
| 19:23:08 | bzdouglas | it could auto email the person |
| 19:23:14 | bzdouglas | and tell them to sign up! |
| 19:23:26 | bzdouglas | grins |
| 19:23:31 | jzaun | bzdouglas: I could do that... easilly |
| 19:23:43 | jzaun | just have to get a function to verify that its an email addy |
| 19:23:59 | bzdouglas | or have a whole team use the same email, and help keep track of the teams scores |
| 19:24:03 | bzdouglas | hmm, cool |
| 19:24:04 | bzdouglas | :) |
| 19:24:25 | bzdouglas | just veryfy it has something@something.com/org/net/etc |
| 19:24:31 | bzdouglas | .de |
| 19:24:37 | jzaun | now, do I send the mail to all unregistered players every min. I see them, or just the first time I see them? |
| 19:24:49 | bzdouglas | first time |
| 19:25:18 | bzdouglas | and hold a database that when the name gets deleted after a month, it wont send a new email everytime |
| 19:25:29 | bzdouglas | the person plays again |
| 19:25:48 | jzaun | bzdouglas: you know php? |
| 19:25:56 | bzdouglas | nope |
| 19:25:57 | bzdouglas | :P |
| 19:26:06 | bzdouglas | wish I did |
| 19:26:11 | jzaun | bzdouglas: so much for getting you to help code |
| 19:26:11 | bzdouglas | maybe I should learn it |
| 19:26:18 | bzdouglas | haha |
| 19:26:41 | bzdouglas | hmm |
| 19:26:46 | bzdouglas | is full of ideas |
| 19:26:57 | jzaun | jzaun@jzaun.com |
| 19:27:02 | bzdouglas | you could do alot with the email field |
| 19:27:06 | jzaun | add detailed descriptions |
| 19:27:07 | captain_proton | goes off to play bz under a pseudonym |
| 19:27:16 | bzdouglas | hehe |
| 19:27:19 | bzdouglas | jzaun: hmm ok |
| 19:27:35 | jzaun | BZFlag: you around? |
| 19:27:38 | bzdouglas | I just like talking them over, to see if that is possible |
| 19:27:43 | | bzflag was last seen on #zaurus 15 hours, 45 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying: well, off to bed [Mon Sep 16 04:42:03 2002] |
| 19:27:43 | bzdouglas | ibot seen bzflag |
| 19:27:50 | bzdouglas | nope, I guess not |
| 19:27:52 | jzaun | bzdouglas: 99% of things are possible |
| 19:27:58 | bzdouglas | jzaun: hehe |
| 19:28:10 | jzaun | bzdouglas: 98% are hard to do though |
| 19:28:51 | jzaun | 100% is time consuming... I'm the only coder at the moment |
| 19:28:54 | bzdouglas | well, the email thing could be used as a thing to veryfy thats the "real" person playing, and if the email is blank/diferent, dont hold the scores |
| 19:28:59 | bzdouglas | yea |
| 19:29:03 | bzdouglas | I could learn php |
| 19:29:12 | bzdouglas | any good websites? |
| 19:29:16 | bzdouglas | email them to me |
| 19:29:22 | jzaun | http://www.php.net/manual/en/funcref.php |
| 19:29:29 | jzaun | I learned it in about 3 hours |
| 19:29:33 | bzdouglas | oh? |
| 19:29:34 | bzdouglas | well |
| 19:29:39 | bzdouglas | I dont know C |
| 19:29:46 | jzaun | 4 hours then |
| 19:29:51 | bzdouglas | ha |
| 19:29:52 | bzdouglas | ok |
| 19:30:37 | bzdouglas | hmmm |
| 19:31:15 | bzdouglas | does apache include php built in? |
| 19:31:28 | bzdouglas | my web hosting service charges for php |
| 19:31:29 | jzaun | mine does... :-) I added the module |
| 19:31:35 | bzdouglas | ah |
| 19:31:37 | bzdouglas | ok |
| 19:31:43 | bzdouglas | I have a win apache |
| 19:31:53 | bzdouglas | but I dunno how to install php on it |
| 19:31:55 | jzaun | bzdouglas: can get php for win |
| 19:32:05 | bzdouglas | oh, cool |
| 19:32:06 | jzaun | bzdouglas: that site tell you how |
| 19:32:06 | bzdouglas | :) |
| 19:32:17 | bzdouglas | ok |
| 19:32:27 | bzdouglas | hmm |
| 19:32:43 | bzdouglas | no tutorials? |
| 19:32:46 | bzdouglas | :P |
| 19:33:20 | jzaun | there are some at the top |
| 19:33:24 | jzaun | basics: |
| 19:33:24 | bzdouglas | ah |
| 19:33:32 | jzaun | <?PHP |
| 19:33:45 | jzaun | printf ("Hello World<br>I'm Here"); |
| 19:33:48 | jzaun | ?> |
| 19:34:02 | bzdouglas | haha |
| 19:34:04 | bzdouglas | thats it? |
| 19:34:09 | bzdouglas | easyer than C++ |
| 19:34:26 | patlabor221 | in C it's |
| 19:34:28 | bzdouglas | like C++ and html combined |
| 19:34:50 | patlabor221 | void main() {printf ("Hello World<\nI'm Here");} |
| 19:35:00 | bzdouglas | yea, but thats confusing |
| 19:35:06 | bzdouglas | void main? |
| 19:35:09 | bzdouglas | bah |
| 19:35:19 | patlabor221 | gotta start somehwere |
| 19:35:25 | bzdouglas | also most people write things on multipule lines |
| 19:35:28 | patlabor221 | how is <?php not confusing |
| 19:35:33 | patlabor221 | yes tey do |
| 19:35:46 | jzaun | bzdouglas: I do in several places |
| 19:35:51 | jzaun | bzdouglas: depends |
| 19:35:55 | bzdouglas | yea |
| 19:35:56 | patlabor221 | PHP realy is C in HTML |
| 19:36:05 | bzdouglas | looks like it |
| 19:36:10 | patlabor221 | or is it python |
| 19:36:11 | patlabor221 | ? |
| 19:36:19 | jzaun | BZFlag: if ($test == "answer") { printf ("Hello");} type things all the time |
| 19:36:32 | bzdouglas | hmm |
| 19:36:41 | patlabor221 | yeah built in string class |
| 19:36:46 | bzdouglas | more like python |
| 19:36:49 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:36:56 | patlabor221 | pythin is very C like tho |
| 19:37:00 | jzaun | actually... much more like basic |
| 19:37:00 | patlabor221 | just like java |
| 19:37:01 | bzdouglas | ah |
| 19:37:11 | mandy | hi guys |
| 19:37:13 | bzdouglas | hmm |
| 19:37:14 | patlabor221 | hello |
| 19:37:16 | jzaun | hello |
| 19:37:20 | bzdouglas | finds a tutorial |
| 19:37:27 | jzaun | not Visual Basic, but QBasic and such |
| 19:37:28 | mandy | hihi |
| 19:37:34 | bzdouglas | yea |
| 19:37:38 | bzdouglas | qbasic is easy |
| 19:37:43 | bzdouglas | I wrote programs in it |
| 19:37:45 | jzaun | vars are all $name and can be any type you like |
| 19:38:35 | patlabor221 | makes sense for a scripting lang |
| 19:38:50 | bzdouglas | heh |
| 19:38:54 | jzaun | patlabor221: yes very |
| 19:39:00 | jzaun | patlabor221: makes codeing much much quicker |
| 19:39:12 | bzdouglas | <?php |
| 19:39:13 | patlabor221 | yes for the common things that need to be done in it |
| 19:39:14 | bzdouglas | echo "Hi, I'm a PHP script!"; |
| 19:39:15 | bzdouglas | ?> |
| 19:39:20 | jzaun | patlabor221: The 1 thing I don't like about php is you can't pass functions as vars to functions |
| 19:39:48 | patlabor221 | proalby dosn't hve pointers |
| 19:39:50 | jzaun | bzdouglas: you can output in 99 ways... |
| 19:39:51 | patlabor221 | so that makes sense |
| 19:39:56 | jzaun | patlabor221: right |
| 19:40:05 | bzdouglas | haha |
| 19:40:08 | bzdouglas | yea |
| 19:40:33 | patlabor221 | same thing with java |
| 19:40:39 | patlabor221 | maybe C# too, I dono |
| 19:41:09 | jzaun | echo "Name: ".$name; printf ("Name: %s", $name); echo "Name: $name"; print "Name: $name"; print "Name:".$name; |
| 19:41:15 | jzaun | all the same |
| 19:41:28 | jzaun | printf is the most powerfull though |
| 19:41:43 | bzdouglas | neat |
| 19:41:48 | bzdouglas | php looks easy |
| 19:41:52 | bzdouglas | :P |
| 19:42:13 | jzaun | it is, yet powerfull.. it has functions to do most anything you want |
| 19:42:29 | jzaun | I can create an image an output it all in code |
| 19:42:29 | bzdouglas | heh |
| 19:42:37 | bzdouglas | image? |
| 19:42:39 | jzaun | yah |
| 19:42:50 | bzdouglas | neat |
| 19:42:55 | patlabor221 | ASP is the same way |
| 19:43:03 | jzaun | http://stats.bzflag.org/maps.php |
| 19:43:09 | jzaun | http://stats.bzflag.org/maps.txt |
| 19:43:14 | patlabor221 | you just use Java or VB in it |
| 19:43:22 | m0nkey_b0y | strange jzaun |
| 19:43:31 | m0nkey_b0y | i been playing all this time..same error |
| 19:43:39 | jzaun | m0nkey_b0y: let me look |
| 19:43:47 | m0nkey_b0y | ok |
| 19:43:58 | bzdouglas | wants me to save the PHP |
| 19:44:02 | jzaun | m0nkey_b0y: what callsign, what server? |
| 19:45:08 | sussudio | hehe that was kinda fun in a masochistic way.... an almost empty map with only Lasers and Cloak |
| 19:45:15 | bzdouglas | haha |
| 19:45:23 | sussudio | watch the n00bs blow themselves up |
| 19:45:44 | bzdouglas | lol |
| 19:46:00 | captain_proton | twas fun |
| 19:46:07 | captain_proton | been a while since i played with ya monkey :) |
| 19:46:25 | jzaun | m0nkey_b0y: what callsign, what server? |
| 19:47:14 | captain_proton | wonders why the .net server isn't up |
| 19:47:27 | captain_proton | bzflag.NET ;) |
| 19:47:52 | patlabor221 | the MS version? |
| 19:48:03 | patlabor221 | since when did you start using managed apps cap :) |
| 19:48:12 | bzdouglas | bzflag.net? |
| 19:48:13 | bzdouglas | woo |
| 19:48:21 | bzdouglas | wants bzflag.com |
| 19:48:28 | captain_proton | kicks the server list |
| 19:48:34 | patlabor221 | tim got that one |
| 19:48:44 | bzdouglas | oh? |
| 19:48:44 | patlabor221 | or he said he was gonna |
| 19:48:45 | sussudio | renames command.com to bzflag.com and hands it to bzdouglas on a floppy |
| 19:48:51 | bzdouglas | lol |
| 19:48:53 | patlabor221 | LOL |
| 19:49:47 | jzaun | captain_proton: what server were you and m0nkey_b0y playing on? |
| 19:49:47 | m0nkey_b0y | sorry jzaun i am back |
| 19:49:52 | captain_proton | considers integrating bzflag.NET with MS wallet ;) |
| 19:49:54 | jzaun | m0nkey_b0y: sokay... |
| 19:49:58 | captain_proton | jzaun: was on chardonnay |
| 19:49:59 | m0nkey_b0y | i am on chardonnay |
| 19:50:03 | m0nkey_b0y | as m0nkey_b0y |
| 19:50:24 | m0nkey_b0y | and leading :)) |
| 19:50:37 | captain_proton | only leading since i left |
| 19:50:40 | jzaun | I'm picking up players from there... let me add some debug code |
| 19:50:40 | captain_proton | shizzucka |
| 19:50:46 | m0nkey_b0y | urf |
| 19:50:50 | m0nkey_b0y | hehe |
| 19:50:56 | mandy | pat ur confusing |
| 19:51:01 | mandy | lol |
| 19:51:01 | bzdouglas | jzaun: it wants me to downloaf map.php |
| 19:51:05 | m0nkey_b0y | you know when i talk to people in real life...i press "n" |
| 19:51:16 | jzaun | bzdouglas: maps.php |
| 19:51:18 | jzaun | yah |
| 19:51:21 | bzdouglas | oh |
| 19:51:24 | jzaun | it just sends a jpg |
| 19:51:25 | patlabor221 | well I am an old fart now |
| 19:52:11 | bzdouglas | NEAT |
| 19:52:20 | captain_proton | how old patlabor221? |
| 19:52:40 | bzdouglas | 49 |
| 19:52:41 | bzdouglas | oops |
| 19:53:51 | patlabor221 | 30 |
| 19:54:09 | patlabor221 | I think I'm gonna go bust a hip |
| 19:54:15 | mandy | nu uh pat |
| 19:54:20 | m0nkey_b0y | stats does not like me :( |
| 19:54:28 | mandy | i'll break one before u |
| 19:54:37 | bzdouglas | hmm |
| 19:54:39 | patlabor221 | well that is a posiblility |
| 19:54:45 | patlabor221 | you are a bit more active then I |
| 19:54:53 | mandy | yeah |
| 19:55:09 | patlabor221 | I did almost get hit by a car tho |
| 19:55:16 | bzdouglas | heh |
| 19:55:19 | captain_proton | got the bzedit interface prototyped out |
| 19:55:33 | mandy | lol |
| 19:55:43 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/bze-ss1.png |
| 19:55:48 | captain_proton | and bze-ss2.png |
| 19:55:59 | captain_proton | i need to write a new widget to do the kind of docking i want :P |
| 19:56:05 | jzaun | m0nkey_b0y: still looking... looks like it has something to do with the callsign m0nkey_b0y |
| 19:56:22 | patlabor221 | where is the list? |
| 19:56:46 | captain_proton | upper left dock |
| 19:56:54 | captain_proton | its just empty :) |
| 19:56:56 | patlabor221 | ahhh the gray box |
| 19:57:16 | patlabor221 | no status bar |
| 19:57:23 | captain_proton | true |
| 19:57:23 | bzdouglas | :( |
| 19:57:25 | captain_proton | lemme add that |
| 19:57:37 | mandy | hi dutch |
| 19:57:44 | patlabor221 | I was gonna add current map stats to the bar |
| 19:57:51 | Dutch_Mandrake | hi Mandy |
| 19:57:52 | patlabor221 | object counts and such |
| 19:57:59 | bzdouglas | coo |
| 19:58:01 | bzdouglas | l |
| 19:58:30 | bzdouglas | coo coo |
| 19:58:47 | captain_proton | not really terribly important, since they've got the list |
| 19:58:55 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 19:59:03 | patlabor221 | but i wanted a summary |
| 19:59:10 | patlabor221 | and it's where extended help info goes |
| 19:59:28 | captain_proton | there we go, got a statusbar |
| 20:00:04 | m0nkey_b0y | i am here jzaun...hmmm...does not like da monkey |
| 20:00:19 | jzaun | checking, may me my bad |
| 20:00:27 | m0nkey_b0y | maybe the server fears my name? |
| 20:00:28 | captain_proton | goes to check the mail again |
| 20:00:35 | m0nkey_b0y | hehe |
| 20:02:13 | jzaun | m0nkey_b0y: still playing? |
| 20:02:13 | captain_proton | nothing yet :( |
| 20:02:52 | bzdouglas | boom |
| 20:03:42 | jzaun | helps if I update the script if I alter the table.... |
| 20:03:47 | jzaun | should catch new players again |
| 20:04:07 | doughecka | heh |
| 20:06:39 | jzaun | hey m0nkeyb0y |
| 20:06:48 | m0nkeyb0y | heya |
| 20:06:55 | m0nkeyb0y | my xserver fell down went boom |
| 20:06:57 | jzaun | I forget to update a script when I added the player photo column in the database |
| 20:07:11 | jzaun | should catch new callsigns again |
| 20:07:36 | m0nkeyb0y | so i should see me now? |
| 20:07:41 | m0nkeyb0y | it* |
| 20:07:48 | jzaun | so if you go play for a min. it will catch you |
| 20:07:52 | jzaun | and add you to the database |
| 20:08:00 | jzaun | because I just fixed the script |
| 20:08:17 | m0nkeyb0y | ok i try again |
| 20:08:21 | m0nkeyb0y | tnx jzaun |
| 20:08:32 | jzaun | http://stats.bzflag.org/directory.php?search=b0y&first=yes |
| 20:08:43 | bzdouglas | lol |
| 20:08:46 | jzaun | your in.. must have caught you before you fell down |
| 20:10:47 | patlabor221 | aught gotta go.... |
| 20:10:53 | jzaun | :( |
| 20:10:59 | jzaun | Have fun patlabor221 |
| 20:11:06 | bzdouglas | hmm |
| 20:11:07 | patlabor221 | never |
| 20:27:51 | iLLf8d | lo all |
| 20:29:24 | m0nkeyb0y | lo |
| 20:33:21 | jzaun | lo |
| 20:33:28 | doughecka | lo |
| 20:33:31 | jzaun | m0nkeyb0y: your name is in the database now |
| 20:33:36 | doughecka | downloads php |
| 20:33:38 | jzaun | m0nkeyb0y: should be able to login |
| 20:37:07 | iLLf8d | hey |
| 20:37:08 | iLLf8d | =) |
| 20:42:24 | doughecka | is thinking that php is not working |
| 20:42:38 | doughecka | it wont configure apache for me |
| 20:42:39 | doughecka | ... |
| 20:47:47 | m0nkeyb0y | i am in jzaun...tnx a million |
| 20:48:01 | jzaun | m0nkeyb0y: NP... gonna upload a pic? |
| 20:48:10 | m0nkeyb0y | yes i just did |
| 20:48:16 | doughecka | hoho |
| 20:48:21 | doughecka | looks at it |
| 20:48:24 | m0nkeyb0y | my famous passed out pic :) |
| 20:48:37 | doughecka | ohh |
| 20:48:41 | doughecka | grins |
| 20:48:43 | jzaun | heh.. nice pic |
| 20:48:47 | jzaun | whats the beer? |
| 20:49:35 | scanline | is back (gone 02:23:34) |
| 20:49:42 | doughecka | ok |
| 20:49:52 | doughecka | someone tell me how to make a project in VC++ |
| 20:50:05 | doughecka | and import a linux program so it will compile |
| 20:50:13 | doughecka | wants patlabor221 |
| 20:52:04 | doughecka | hey |
| 20:52:10 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 20:52:10 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 20:52:14 | doughecka | hmm |
| 20:52:16 | iLLf8d | stupidass client |
| 20:52:23 | doughecka | I dunno how to import it into VC++ |
| 20:52:34 | doughecka | have to wait for patlabor221 |
| 20:53:28 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 20:59:15 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:00:53 | iLLf8d | suck |
| 21:01:00 | iLLf8d | I asked someone else to compile it on a windows box |
| 21:01:02 | iLLf8d | theres one error |
| 21:01:04 | iLLf8d | biatch! |
| 21:01:08 | doughecka | bummer |
| 21:01:10 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:01:21 | iLLf8d | have to wait for pat now definately |
| 21:01:35 | doughecka | yea |
| 21:01:37 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:02:06 | doughecka | jzaun: woot |
| 21:02:08 | doughecka | http://heckaman.bzflag.org/test.php |
| 21:02:40 | jzaun | doughecka: nice.. :-) |
| 21:02:58 | doughecka | grins and looks for tutorials |
| 21:05:25 | doughecka | jzaun: is your code online? |
| 21:05:30 | doughecka | so I can look at it? |
| 21:05:34 | doughecka | hrm |
| 21:05:41 | jzaun | no, but gimme a sec. |
| 21:05:46 | doughecka | ok |
| 21:05:51 | doughecka | cant I look at the source? |
| 21:09:33 | captain_proton | that would be telling |
| 21:09:41 | doughecka | bah |
| 21:10:02 | doughecka | I want to learn this stuff, not horde the code so others have to guess |
| 21:10:09 | doughecka | or be lazy... |
| 21:10:10 | doughecka | :P |
| 21:14:26 | doughecka | jzaun: you need some filters on the players page |
| 21:16:52 | m0nkeyb0y | bzflag=stress release! |
| 21:16:55 | m0nkeyb0y | woohoo |
| 21:16:59 | doughecka | haha |
| 21:17:14 | m0nkeyb0y | you guys check my pic? |
| 21:17:20 | m0nkeyb0y | beer ... good |
| 21:17:20 | doughecka | yea |
| 21:17:24 | m0nkeyb0y | ;) |
| 21:17:28 | doughecka | you need to let off or something... |
| 21:17:29 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:17:38 | m0nkeyb0y | passed out and didn't spill my beer |
| 21:17:38 | m0nkeyb0y | now thats skill |
| 21:17:45 | doughecka | haha |
| 21:18:09 | m0nkeyb0y | that was at after my work picnic |
| 21:18:20 | m0nkeyb0y | we got trashed on mcewens |
| 21:18:23 | doughecka | ah |
| 21:18:39 | m0nkeyb0y | sorry jzaun just saw your questions the beer is McEwens |
| 21:18:52 | m0nkeyb0y | he leave? |
| 21:19:07 | jzaun | nope |
| 21:19:10 | jzaun | jsut codeing |
| 21:19:20 | m0nkeyb0y | ew code |
| 21:19:21 | jzaun | m0nkeyb0y: login and add a news item for me |
| 21:19:23 | m0nkeyb0y | heh |
| 21:19:27 | doughecka | cool |
| 21:19:28 | doughecka | news? |
| 21:19:30 | m0nkeyb0y | news? |
| 21:19:38 | m0nkeyb0y | ummm |
| 21:19:42 | jzaun | m0nkeyb0y: login, select "Post News" |
| 21:19:50 | m0nkeyb0y | k |
| 21:19:56 | doughecka | cooool |
| 21:20:28 | doughecka | ok |
| 21:20:29 | doughecka | I did |
| 21:20:57 | doughecka | :P |
| 21:21:37 | doughecka | I put 2 up |
| 21:21:42 | doughecka | how do you admin all this? |
| 21:21:45 | doughecka | manualy? |
| 21:21:49 | doughecka | or via a page? |
| 21:22:10 | m0nkeyb0y | ok i poisted |
| 21:22:20 | jzaun | thanks guys |
| 21:22:27 | m0nkeyb0y | np |
| 21:22:28 | doughecka | we need a forum too |
| 21:22:36 | jzaun | not to limuit the front page to just the latest 3 posts |
| 21:22:40 | doughecka | pokes jzaun back to work |
| 21:22:47 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:22:53 | m0nkeyb0y | is going to compete with all the others... bzflag.de and the league? |
| 21:23:01 | m0nkeyb0y | is this* |
| 21:23:23 | doughecka | this is currently news |
| 21:23:29 | doughecka | but I hope he gets a forum up |
| 21:23:33 | m0nkeyb0y | k |
| 21:23:47 | doughecka | so we could have a BZCops forum |
| 21:24:13 | doughecka | I would be admin of course |
| 21:24:32 | doughecka | looky at the highscores |
| 21:24:46 | m0nkeyb0y | yeah |
| 21:24:53 | doughecka | and the lowscores |
| 21:25:10 | m0nkeyb0y | i think proton and tankenstein score have been spoofed ;) |
| 21:25:19 | doughecka | thinks so too |
| 21:25:27 | doughecka | yo jzaun! |
| 21:25:31 | doughecka | fix my score too |
| 21:25:33 | jzaun | brb |
| 21:25:33 | m0nkeyb0y | my all time is about 350 i think |
| 21:25:39 | doughecka | hehe |
| 21:25:46 | doughecka | I could get 500 by shooting bots |
| 21:25:59 | m0nkeyb0y | too bad i use so many names.. |
| 21:26:01 | m0nkeyb0y | :) |
| 21:26:03 | doughecka | hehe |
| 21:26:25 | m0nkeyb0y | i will start using this one again for awhile |
| 21:26:32 | jzaun | ok, latest 3 news posts are on the front page... |
| 21:26:32 | doughecka | hehe |
| 21:26:34 | m0nkeyb0y | but i get hunted when i use it :( |
| 21:26:45 | jzaun | I got to run for a few min. I'll be back though |
| 21:26:49 | doughecka | until you jzaun gets email support in |
| 21:27:03 | jzaun | doughecka: Whats wrong with your score? |
| 21:27:11 | m0nkeyb0y | its a virgin forum! |
| 21:27:22 | doughecka | cappys score is high |
| 21:27:36 | m0nkeyb0y | spoofed score! |
| 21:27:41 | jzaun | doughecka: Not a fourm... News |
| 21:27:56 | m0nkeyb0y | do you guys know OTTOMAN? |
| 21:28:06 | doughecka | and so is tankenstiens |
| 21:28:12 | m0nkeyb0y | we both teamed one day and both scored 200+ |
| 21:28:22 | m0nkeyb0y | it was brutal |
| 21:28:24 | doughecka | haha |
| 21:28:37 | m0nkeyb0y | he quit playing bz :( |
| 21:28:47 | doughecka | bummer |
| 21:28:52 | doughecka | why? |
| 21:29:00 | m0nkeyb0y | yeah for counterstrike :( |
| 21:29:04 | m0nkeyb0y | like oma |
| 21:29:21 | doughecka | ah |
| 21:29:27 | doughecka | grins |
| 21:29:32 | doughecka | laughs |
| 21:29:38 | doughecka | chuckles |
| 21:29:42 | m0nkeyb0y | i used to play quake...quit that for bz |
| 21:29:51 | doughecka | I play AA |
| 21:29:57 | doughecka | and OFP |
| 21:30:00 | m0nkeyb0y | now bz has grown quite alot |
| 21:30:06 | m0nkeyb0y | you gamer you |
| 21:30:09 | sussudio | i play AAA |
| 21:30:15 | doughecka | AA = americas army and OFP = operation flashpoint |
| 21:30:29 | sussudio | i pretend i'm going to fix someone's car and then just drive away |
| 21:30:33 | m0nkeyb0y | you play genisis sussudio |
| 21:30:41 | doughecka | haha |
| 21:30:51 | sussudio | meuh? |
| 21:30:55 | m0nkeyb0y | you know...the band? |
| 21:31:12 | m0nkeyb0y | phil collins....etc |
| 21:31:14 | doughecka | never heard of it |
| 21:31:24 | m0nkeyb0y | me neither |
| 21:31:26 | sussudio | yeah theyre kinda old |
| 21:31:43 | m0nkeyb0y | they are from the hippie days |
| 21:32:13 | m0nkeyb0y | genitorturers |
| 21:32:18 | m0nkeyb0y | now thats a band ;) |
| 21:33:11 | doughecka | grins and wonders away |
| 21:39:04 | | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 21:39:04 | doughecka | ibot ducati |
| 21:39:05 | bzbot | m0nkey_b0y (R): 2 (5-3). Ez_Yoda (G): 0 (0-0). jdoe (R): -54 (162-216). Blah (G): -2 (5-7). M1 (G): 1 (24-23). uboat (G): 0 (70-70). |
| 21:39:09 | doughecka | borken man |
| 21:39:58 | Chestal | good evening |
| 21:40:06 | doughecka | my name is HAL |
| 21:40:10 | doughecka | heya Chestal |
| 21:41:42 | Chestal | hi dough |
| 21:52:57 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:53:06 | doughecka | laptop died again |
| 21:56:33 | m0nkeyb0y | nhi chestal |
| 21:56:40 | m0nkeyb0y | nhow are you? |
| 21:56:40 | doughecka | nhi |
| 21:56:47 | m0nkeyb0y | ngood |
| 21:56:51 | doughecka | we are the knights that say ni! |
| 21:56:54 | doughecka | ni ni ni |
| 21:57:00 | Chestal | ah, hi monkey |
| 21:57:05 | m0nkeyb0y | nhenhe |
| 21:57:12 | doughecka | nohhooh |
| 21:57:17 | Chestal | I'm quite fine. Work is not gogn so well as always |
| 21:57:22 | m0nkeyb0y | man ches..i still feel bad about that steamroller |
| 21:57:32 | m0nkeyb0y | not going well? |
| 21:57:42 | m0nkeyb0y | need a vaction to thailand? |
| 21:57:50 | doughecka | haha |
| 21:58:41 | Chestal | monkey: yep, that was a little strange. I can imagine that it might be random lag effects, haven't thought too hard about it :-) |
| 21:58:48 | Chestal | a vacation anywhere woudl do I guess |
| 21:59:13 | Chestal | the problem is not that I am working too hard, it's merely the feelign of never getting the things really done |
| 21:59:46 | m0nkeyb0y | ahhh |
| 21:59:59 | m0nkeyb0y | i don't that the feeling changes much in life |
| 22:00:19 | m0nkeyb0y | its a matter of what you feel has been accomplished eh? |
| 22:01:35 | Chestal | but I really feel that it's my fault, oh well |
| 22:03:06 | m0nkeyb0y | i will drink to that ches |
| 22:03:28 | jzaun | is back |
| 22:07:08 | doughecka | rebooting |
| 22:19:34 | m0nkeyb0y | steve jobs :) |
| 22:19:39 | doughecka | haha |
| 22:19:47 | doughecka | its true! |
| 22:19:55 | m0nkeyb0y | i am linus btw |
| 22:20:11 | doughecka | yea |
| 22:20:21 | doughecka | what do you think of my new imac? |
| 22:20:28 | m0nkeyb0y | very nice |
| 22:20:33 | doughecka | thx |
| 22:20:34 | m0nkeyb0y | very gnome |
| 22:20:42 | doughecka | hehe |
| 22:21:37 | m0nkeyb0y | win xp headed in the same direction |
| 22:21:47 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:25:18 | | I haven't seen 'stevejobs', doughecka |
| 22:25:18 | doughecka | ibot seen stevejobs |
| 22:25:20 | doughecka | good |
| 22:26:27 | | I haven't seen 'dork', doughecka |
| 22:26:27 | doughecka | ibot seen dork |
| 22:26:31 | | I haven't seen 'pig', doughecka |
| 22:26:31 | doughecka | ibot seen pig |
| 22:26:40 | | I haven't seen 'compaq', doughecka |
| 22:26:40 | doughecka | ibot seen compaq |
| 22:27:56 | m0nkeyb0y | ciao all |
| 22:42:17 | captain_proton | argggg |
| 22:42:31 | captain_proton | my card has been delivered but i still don't have a package slip in my mailbox |
| 22:42:37 | doughecka | oh? |
| 22:42:39 | doughecka | haha |
| 22:43:04 | jzaun | need some icons |
| 22:43:35 | doughecka | waves his SB live card in front of captain_proton's face |
| 22:44:06 | jzaun | won't blam captain_proton if he punched doughecka for his last comment |
| 22:44:17 | doughecka | raises his shields |
| 22:44:36 | jzaun | its 2002, shields haven't been invented yet |
| 22:45:02 | doughecka | 's shields flutter away |
| 22:45:49 | doughecka | places a brick wall in front of him |
| 22:46:23 | doughecka | error! |
| 22:46:25 | doughecka | rebooting! |
| 22:48:32 | captain_proton | scanline: you got a package slip when you got a package, no? |
| 22:49:29 | scanline | captain_proton: either that or a phone call |
| 22:49:40 | captain_proton | hmm, when do they call? |
| 22:49:54 | scanline | captain_proton: usually UPS packages go to the package office and you get a slip, fedex goes to the front office and you get a call |
| 22:49:56 | scanline | I dunno |
| 22:50:01 | scanline | afternoon usually |
| 22:50:06 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 22:50:14 | captain_proton | my package was delivered today, but no notifications |
| 22:50:25 | captain_proton | if fedex goes to the front office... |
| 22:50:30 | captain_proton | will it be at the front office? |
| 22:50:45 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:51:07 | doughecka | would it? |
| 22:51:18 | captain_proton | kicks doughecka in the head |
| 22:51:43 | doughecka | still has his brick wall |
| 22:52:05 | captain_proton | i didn't say i kicked you in the wall |
| 22:52:09 | captain_proton | i said i kicked you in the head |
| 22:52:15 | doughecka | you missed then |
| 22:52:20 | doughecka | I did not feel it |
| 22:52:26 | captain_proton | did i say i missed? i think not |
| 22:52:36 | doughecka | ducked |
| 22:52:48 | captain_proton | there was a most satisfying *thwunk* as the bottom of my sandal hit your ear |
| 22:53:02 | doughecka | sandal? |
| 22:53:08 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 22:53:12 | doughecka | real people use boots |
| 22:53:15 | scanline | captain_proton: sometimes it takes an extra day to go through the CU package muck :( |
| 22:53:17 | captain_proton | y'know, those things you wear on your feet when its summer? |
| 22:53:29 | captain_proton | scanline: blargh! they signed for it at the desk at 1 pm! |
| 22:53:39 | scanline | go ask them if they have it |
| 22:53:45 | captain_proton | front deskage? |
| 22:53:47 | scanline | yeah |
| 22:53:53 | captain_proton | kk |
| 22:53:54 | captain_proton | trots off |
| 22:53:57 | doughecka | haha |
| 22:54:04 | doughecka | kicks captain_proton |
| 22:54:52 | doughecka | thinks his wall wart died |
| 22:54:57 | doughecka | its hot |
| 22:55:15 | doughecka | very hot |
| 22:56:28 | captain_proton | bwahahaha |
| 22:56:34 | captain_proton | apparently they just forgot to call everyone |
| 22:57:11 | doughecka | is away: dinnah |
| 22:57:26 | captain_proton | ooooh |
| 22:57:31 | captain_proton | styrofoam peanuts AND bubble wrap |
| 22:57:33 | captain_proton | i'm so lucky |
| 22:58:57 | captain_proton | grins like a kid in a candy store on crack |
| 22:59:57 | captain_proton | shutting down... |
| 23:00:34 | scanline | wonders what captain_proton got |
| 23:11:58 | doughecka | a SB live card |
| 23:23:46 | doughecka | wonders where patlabor221 went |
| 23:29:53 | doughecka | hows your card? |
| 23:30:53 | doughecka | is gonna make his own surround sound headphones |
| 23:31:02 | captain_proton | working mostly |
| 23:31:07 | doughecka | oh? |
| 23:33:26 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 23:33:32 | captain_proton | gotta get the better drivers |
| 23:33:38 | doughecka | ah |
| 23:40:34 | Nicole | hilo |
| 23:44:36 | Nicole | question: what's so great about being an "op"? |
| 23:44:57 | doughecka | you have kick people out of the room |
| 23:45:02 | doughecka | have/can |
| 23:45:09 | Nicole | cool |
| 23:45:21 | doughecka | and BAN people |
| 23:45:23 | Nicole | ok someone just made me an "op" on another channel so yea |
| 23:45:27 | doughecka | cool |
| 23:45:28 | Nicole | i have no clue |
| 23:45:32 | Nicole | what to do |
| 23:45:38 | doughecka | what channel? |
| 23:45:41 | doughecka | hmm |
| 23:45:42 | doughecka | well |
| 23:45:48 | doughecka | what client are you using? |
| 23:45:53 | doughecka | ack |
| 23:45:59 | doughecka | is away: belggdfs |
| 23:45:59 | Nicole | do not ask |
