| 00:03:20 | captain_proton | Widget: going to screenie me or what? |
| 00:03:34 | Widget | captain_proton: The screenshots come out very blurred. |
| 00:03:44 | captain_proton | ? |
| 00:03:52 | Widget | captain_proton: You can't see anything. |
| 00:04:05 | Widget | captain_proton: I don't know why... they usually don't look like this. |
| 00:04:13 | Widget | Let me try in Linux. |
| 00:06:14 | doughec | are you running linux? |
| 00:06:21 | doughec | what are you running? |
| 00:07:27 | Widget | OK, in Linux it shows up fine. |
| 00:07:33 | captain_proton | haah |
| 00:07:37 | doughec | hehe |
| 00:07:54 | Widget | No one cares about OS X. :'( |
| 00:08:25 | doughec | lol |
| 00:08:32 | doughec | pats Widget on the back |
| 00:08:33 | doughec | I do |
| 00:08:39 | doughec | get 10.2 |
| 00:08:47 | Widget | I will in august. |
| 00:08:53 | doughec | hehe |
| 00:09:31 | Widget | Ah! But it shows up as grey bars in Konqueror! |
| 00:09:38 | Widget | Just like it did in Mozilla for OS X! |
| 00:09:41 | captain_proton | Widget: lemme try something |
| 00:10:04 | captain_proton | try now |
| 00:10:22 | Widget | Ooh, it works. |
| 00:10:45 | Widget | Only the boxes are slightly taller than they are wide, if that matters. |
| 00:11:27 | captain_proton | only because i had to insert a character in there |
| 00:11:51 | Widget | What was the problem before? |
| 00:12:45 | captain_proton | well - it was an empty table cell |
| 00:13:02 | captain_proton | browsers should recognize the width and height parameters (as mozilla does), but not all do |
| 00:17:15 | nuum | sup proton, wanna do a website for me? |
| 00:18:05 | captain_proton | nuum: depends |
| 00:18:13 | captain_proton | how much ya going to pay me? |
| 00:18:22 | doughec | haha |
| 00:18:37 | nuum | i'll pay ya 10% of what i charge myself |
| 00:18:55 | captain_proton | ? |
| 00:19:12 | captain_proton | give me a number |
| 00:19:17 | nuum | i love you long time! |
| 00:19:30 | captain_proton | nuum: i already got that - do better |
| 00:19:32 | nuum | 57, heinz 57, the number of times i've had to humiliate meq |
| 00:19:41 | nuum | you owe me! |
| 00:19:49 | nuum | ok dood, i'm out to go for a bike ride |
| 00:19:56 | captain_proton | nuum: wait |
| 00:19:58 | nuum | i'll think of you when i toot the horn |
| 00:20:00 | captain_proton | nuum: send those songs now |
| 00:20:04 | nuum | i did |
| 00:20:09 | nuum | they are waiting |
| 00:20:14 | captain_proton | no, i abored - other download was going |
| 00:20:17 | captain_proton | resend |
| 00:20:57 | nuum | you might like it, you might not |
| 00:21:06 | captain_proton | what style muzak? |
| 00:21:19 | nuum | intellectual rap from britain |
| 00:21:40 | nuum | anyway, its queued |
| 00:21:50 | captain_proton | nuum: cancel and resend |
| 00:21:54 | captain_proton | nuum: i don't see it queued here |
| 00:22:08 | nuum | #/dcc send captain_proton ~/mp3/roots/* |
| 00:22:19 | captain_proton | or queued on your end? |
| 00:22:28 | nuum | status: waiting |
| 00:22:37 | captain_proton | strange |
| 00:22:43 | nuum | anyway, you've had your fun |
| 00:22:45 | captain_proton | whoa |
| 00:22:48 | captain_proton | my client ignored you |
| 00:23:00 | captain_proton | do it again |
| 00:23:00 | nuum | yeah yeah, i like being the butt end of your jokes proton |
| 00:23:12 | nuum | no man, that really hurts my feelings |
| 00:23:30 | captain_proton | strokes nuum |
| 00:35:44 | patlabor221 | ok time to go home, cap if you need me to make any changes to those images I can when I get get home. |
| 00:35:57 | doughec | cya |
| 00:36:31 | captain_proton | images are perfect :) |
| 00:39:55 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 00:40:02 | doughec | dialup? |
| 00:40:05 | captain_proton | yep |
| 00:40:09 | doughec | ugh |
| 00:40:26 | captain_proton | i think all the new website needs is documentation on client and server options and we're done :) |
| 00:40:32 | doughec | hmm |
| 00:47:25 | Patlabor221 | and I'm home :) |
| 00:47:26 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: graphics are perfect |
| 00:47:27 | doughec | lo Patlabor221 |
| 00:47:40 | Patlabor221 | glad you like them |
| 00:47:46 | Patlabor221 | I stil like #1 :) |
| 00:48:21 | captain_proton | i'm thinking that all the new site needs is up to date documentation on bzflag & bzfs and its done |
| 00:49:54 | captain_proton | ooh wait |
| 00:49:56 | captain_proton | screenshots |
| 00:53:50 | captain_proton | if i run through a few different server configs in 1.8 will you two come help me make screenshots for it? |
| 00:55:16 | doughec | Widget: hey |
| 00:55:30 | captain_proton | awaits the answer |
| 00:55:34 | Widget | doughec: Hi. |
| 00:56:04 | Patlabor221 | will 1.8 run now? |
| 00:56:11 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: should |
| 00:56:11 | Patlabor221 | if so I will |
| 00:57:03 | Patlabor221 | geting latest |
| 00:57:30 | doughec | captain_proton: it still making the installer |
| 00:57:41 | Patlabor221 | atempts to disbeleve |
| 00:57:42 | doughec | ack |
| 00:57:44 | doughec | its late.. |
| 00:58:02 | doughec | cya later.. |
| 00:58:24 | Patlabor221 | fires up the "Second PC" (tm) |
| 00:58:57 | Patlabor221 | I can log in twice if you want 2 people in a SS |
| 00:59:02 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: ooh, i should get myself one of those |
| 00:59:43 | Patlabor221 | have 3 running now :) |
| 00:59:57 | captain_proton | eyes Patlabor221 warily |
| 00:59:59 | Patlabor221 | 1 is teting P2501 |
| 01:00:07 | Patlabor221 | warily? |
| 01:00:08 | Patlabor221 | why |
| 01:00:21 | captain_proton | you have too much hardware |
| 01:00:56 | Patlabor221 | too mutch is a subjective term |
| 01:01:12 | Patlabor221 | 1) main PC I type on now ( AMD XP 1900+) |
| 01:01:35 | Patlabor221 | 2) SecondPC that is booting, P3 666 |
| 01:01:46 | Patlabor221 | 3) Celly 333 laptop |
| 01:01:59 | Patlabor221 | and 1.8 don't run |
| 01:02:06 | Patlabor221 | same thing as last time |
| 01:02:22 | captain_proton | ? |
| 01:02:42 | Patlabor221 | I just see the backside faces of the slection tank |
| 01:02:49 | captain_proton | bizzare |
| 01:02:50 | Patlabor221 | everything else is black |
| 01:02:58 | Patlabor221 | anyone else got a build I could try? |
| 01:03:34 | Patlabor221 | oh yeah and there's a mac here, but it's off :) |
| 01:03:38 | Patlabor221 | and a PDA |
| 01:03:44 | captain_proton | didn't you have a linux box? |
| 01:04:02 | Patlabor221 | the second PC and laptop dual boot linux |
| 01:04:25 | Patlabor221 | but it seems that x is having issues on the second pc |
| 01:04:51 | doughec | Patlabor221 I hVE A EXE |
| 01:04:56 | Patlabor221 | hit me |
| 01:05:12 | Patlabor221 | I'm not trusting the drive that linux is installed on |
| 01:05:26 | Patlabor221 | guess that's what I get for using a box of apple refurbs |
| 01:05:47 | doughec | lol |
| 01:06:02 | Patlabor221 | we've had like 30 of 100 of them fail |
| 01:06:06 | Patlabor221 | and I seem to allways get them |
| 01:06:06 | doughec | www.heckamangroup.com/files |
| 01:06:18 | doughec | its almost done uploading |
| 01:07:04 | Patlabor221 | I'll just ahve to buy some drives when we get the wholesale thing worked out |
| 01:07:45 | Patlabor221 | let me know when it's doen |
| 01:07:50 | doughec_ | heckamangroup.com/files |
| 01:07:52 | doughec_ | ok |
| 01:07:59 | doughec_ | I have to goto bed |
| 01:08:06 | doughec_ | 1 min. |
| 01:08:10 | doughec_ | then its done... |
| 01:08:17 | doughec_ | 30 sec. |
| 01:08:18 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 01:08:20 | Patlabor221 | thanks |
| 01:08:39 | doughec_ | done |
| 01:08:44 | doughec_ | hurry up and get it |
| 01:08:51 | doughec_ | I need to delete it |
| 01:09:14 | Patlabor221 | I got it |
| 01:09:18 | doughec_ | ok |
| 01:09:22 | doughec_ | deleting it |
| 01:09:32 | Patlabor221 | odd it works for me |
| 01:09:39 | Patlabor221 | I must not have something right |
| 01:09:45 | doughec_ | ah |
| 01:09:47 | doughec_ | anyway |
| 01:09:49 | Patlabor221 | I'll get the 1.0 vorbis stuff later |
| 01:09:51 | doughec_ | bed time... |
| 01:09:55 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: it works? |
| 01:10:13 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 01:10:17 | Patlabor221 | copying to second PC now |
| 01:10:31 | Patlabor221 | what server? |
| 01:10:58 | captain_proton | hang on 1 sec |
| 01:11:02 | Patlabor221 | 1 |
| 01:12:24 | nuum | why dont i get to see 2501 |
| 01:12:27 | captain_proton | jzaun.com:32000 |
| 01:12:43 | nuum | huh proton |
| 01:12:45 | nuum | wheres my copy |
| 01:12:59 | Patlabor221 | you must convince frank that you can test for him |
| 01:13:15 | nuum | like i can't |
| 01:13:30 | Patlabor221 | you must convince him of that tho |
| 01:17:24 | nuum | konvince? |
| 01:34:55 | captain_proton | Patlabor221? |
| 01:35:00 | captain_proton | hum |
| 01:37:02 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/shots.zip |
| 01:37:12 | Patlabor221 | man did that crash hoze me |
| 01:37:25 | Patlabor221 | exe looked like it got munched |
| 01:37:30 | Patlabor221 | or the driver or something |
| 01:38:05 | captain_proton | yikes |
| 01:38:19 | Patlabor221 | and it was chunky as hell |
| 01:38:29 | Patlabor221 | may have been something with dougs build |
| 01:38:35 | Patlabor221 | but it ran ok on the other system |
| 01:39:04 | captain_proton | i got 6 good shots out of it |
| 01:39:09 | captain_proton | hopefully you got a couple more |
| 01:39:26 | Patlabor221 | I know I got ones with you buried and with the shots goin over your head |
| 01:39:31 | Patlabor221 | they are in that zip |
| 01:39:59 | captain_proton | i got one great one with a GM flare |
| 01:40:11 | Patlabor221 | cool |
| 01:41:06 | captain_proton | http://localhost:8080/new/screenshots/ |
| 01:41:08 | captain_proton | look at bzfi0006 |
| 01:41:18 | captain_proton | errr |
| 01:41:19 | captain_proton | wait |
| 01:41:33 | captain_proton | http://bhaskara.bzflag.org:8080/new/screenshots/ |
| 01:44:22 | captain_proton | 0006 is by far the best one there |
| 01:46:01 | jpablo | what's that bzflag 1.7 or 1.8 ? |
| 01:46:13 | captain_proton | 1.8 |
| 01:46:18 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: these are 1024x768? |
| 01:46:19 | jpablo | oh, let me see. |
| 01:46:32 | jpablo | pfft, slow link ... |
| 01:46:54 | captain_proton | shaddup, its my 56k |
| 01:47:27 | jpablo | i was talking about my link :-P |
| 01:47:53 | captain_proton | jpablo: mmm |
| 01:48:10 | Patlabor221 | that's what I was runnin in I think |
| 01:48:19 | Patlabor221 | shit |
| 01:48:30 | Patlabor221 | 1152x864 on that machine |
| 01:48:45 | jpablo | wow, cool shot. |
| 01:48:52 | captain_proton | aha |
| 01:49:17 | Patlabor221 | I was 1024 on the one that crashed |
| 01:49:23 | captain_proton | jpablo: talking about 6? |
| 01:49:32 | jpablo | yeah. |
| 01:49:56 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: ooh, burrowed tank shot is niiiiice |
| 01:50:58 | captain_proton | ok, added Patlabor221's ss's to that dir |
| 01:51:09 | captain_proton | check out 8 & 9 |
| 01:53:41 | jpablo | let's see. |
| 02:15:30 | captain_proton | got an index page up |
| 02:15:36 | captain_proton | with thumbnails and everything |
| 02:15:45 | captain_proton | ideally it would open a window with a short description |
| 02:16:17 | Patlabor221 | hey I know that picture :) |
| 02:16:29 | captain_proton | heh |
| 02:17:53 | captain_proton | now its linked in the sidebar |
| 02:30:31 | captain_proton | pokes MrApathyCream |
| 02:31:23 | MrApathyCream | oofa |
| 02:31:42 | captain_proton | comments on http://bhaskara.bzflag.org:8080/new/ ? |
| 02:34:08 | MrApathyCream | http://bhaskara.bzflag.org:8080/new/screenshots ?? |
| 02:34:15 | MrApathyCream | otherwise purdy |
| 02:35:16 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: yeah, what about that? |
| 02:35:25 | MrApathyCream | 404 |
| 02:35:58 | captain_proton | try now |
| 02:36:06 | captain_proton | reload + click link |
| 02:36:30 | Patlabor221 | all must back in the glory of my logo pic and cap |
| 02:36:32 | Patlabor221 | 's layout |
| 02:37:35 | MrApathyCream | thar ya go |
| 02:37:48 | Patlabor221 | Doug took the pic of the tank that I tweaked, so I guess we are looking at a comunity efort :) |
| 02:38:56 | MrApathyCream | Wow so that's what BZFlag looks like... You've just made my getting my monitor back from the repair shop that much more exciting. |
| 02:39:10 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: *grin* |
| 02:39:48 | MrApathyCream | btw, what's the little white and red bars to right of maxmove box? |
| 02:40:10 | captain_proton | shot indicator |
| 02:40:26 | MrApathyCream | ah cool... somethings wrong with this picture tho |
| 02:40:30 | captain_proton | red bars are little progress bars showing how long until that particular shot is available |
| 02:40:32 | captain_proton | where? |
| 02:40:38 | captain_proton | (which) |
| 02:40:59 | MrApathyCream | meqies is shooting white bullets implying he's king of the hill. That would never happen |
| 02:41:03 | Patlabor221 | yeah it needs those |
| 02:41:14 | Patlabor221 | what are you serving that on cap? a dialup? |
| 02:41:25 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: yup |
| 02:41:27 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: haha |
| 02:41:31 | Patlabor221 | ewwwww |
| 02:41:38 | Patlabor221 | I feel so unclean |
| 02:41:43 | MrApathyCream | well, back to the mines |
| 02:42:03 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: wasn't there an ide drive you wanted to give me? ;) |
| 02:42:13 | Patlabor221 | DVDram if you wanted it |
| 02:42:19 | captain_proton | =} |
| 02:42:23 | captain_proton | what do you need? |
| 02:42:27 | Patlabor221 | mail me an address |
| 02:43:16 | Patlabor221 | good thing I grabed 2 out, cus we sold almost the rest of the lot right after I did |
| 02:43:21 | captain_proton | thats it? no shipping? |
| 02:43:32 | Patlabor221 | naw |
| 02:43:36 | Patlabor221 | it'll come ground tho |
| 02:43:38 | captain_proton | sweet thanks |
| 02:43:40 | Patlabor221 | slowboat |
| 02:44:02 | captain_proton | sent |
| 02:44:05 | Patlabor221 | it realy only costs us like $1.50 to ship a drive |
| 02:44:21 | Patlabor221 | those pack and ship places must be rakin in the cash |
| 02:44:42 | captain_proton | true |
| 02:45:04 | Patlabor221 | they wanted $50 to ship a PC UPS ground |
| 02:45:10 | Patlabor221 | cost me $9 direct |
| 02:45:16 | captain_proton | wow |
| 02:45:20 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:46:15 | Patlabor221 | it'll be realy nice when we get our wholsale accounts from distributors too |
| 02:46:31 | captain_proton | i bet |
| 02:46:35 | Patlabor221 | then I'll be geting components at the same prices that stores get them at |
| 02:47:09 | captain_proton | lucky bastage |
| 02:48:22 | Patlabor221 | I should legaly change my name to Jeff "HeWhoHasHardware" Myers |
| 02:49:06 | Patlabor221 | I am hoping that I can sell compoenets on the side too people I know |
| 02:49:14 | captain_proton | ooh yes yes |
| 02:49:20 | captain_proton | i could use more RAM ;-) |
| 02:49:43 | Patlabor221 | I'll have to see what kind of quantities we have to order |
| 02:50:11 | Patlabor221 | if I can just put in singles on our regular mass orders then I'm set |
| 02:50:43 | Patlabor221 | that's how it used to be at my current day job when we had merchant accounts |
| 02:50:56 | Patlabor221 | I used to order NFR versions of all kinds of software |
| 02:51:05 | Patlabor221 | photoshop for $50 |
| 02:51:35 | captain_proton | damn |
| 02:51:43 | Patlabor221 | yeah it was nice |
| 02:51:45 | captain_proton | wipes the drool from his keyboard |
| 02:51:54 | Patlabor221 | but then we stoped selling hardware :( |
| 02:52:03 | Patlabor221 | went to just software dev |
| 05:29:41 | fontenot | hmm, bzflag refuses to build in parallel |
| 05:29:51 | fontenot | too bad since it takes so long to compile |
| 05:31:11 | fontenot | make[3]: warning: jobserver unavailable: using -j1. Add `+' to parent make rule. |
| 05:52:18 | captain_proton | M_A_C: any clue about when this thread was? |
| 06:17:23 | jpablo | i'm off to bed. |
| 06:19:30 | M_A_C | seems to have been deleted |
| 06:19:31 | M_A_C | bummer |
| 06:37:46 | Widget | Moin, Gorb. |
| 06:39:02 | Widget | Gorb: Sind Sie Super Perfect Cell? |
| 06:40:00 | Widget | Ich muß eine Mahlzeit essen. |
| 06:40:09 | Widget | Bis bald... |
| 06:56:10 | | ibot was last seen on #zaurus 170 days, 1 hours, 47 minutes and 24 seconds ago, saying: BZFlag: what ? [Mon Feb 4 05:08:46 2002] |
| 06:56:10 | PerfectCell | ibot seen ibot |
| 06:58:07 | captain_proton | BZFlag: awake? |
| 07:18:50 | BZFlag | barely |
| 07:19:26 | BZFlag | going to bed though. nite |
| 07:19:57 | captain_proton | sigh |
| 08:07:26 | strayer | gd morning tanks.. |
| 08:23:25 | captain_proton | ritchie_: http://bhaskara.bzflag.org:8080/ |
| 08:25:13 | ritchie_ | going |
| 08:25:24 | ritchie_ | there |
| 08:25:49 | ritchie_ | cant get there hmmm |
| 08:26:45 | ritchie_ | i cant connect :-( |
| 08:28:39 | captain_proton | no? |
| 08:28:42 | captain_proton | what do you resolve it to? |
| 08:29:08 | ritchie_ | 128.138.87.100 |
| 08:29:26 | captain_proton | 87.104 |
| 08:30:02 | ritchie_ | still cant connect |
| 08:30:59 | captain_proton | 128.138.87.104:8080 doesn't work? |
| 08:31:23 | ritchie_ | works |
| 08:31:30 | ritchie_ | slowish |
| 08:31:32 | ritchie_ | :-) |
| 08:31:36 | captain_proton | well, its on 56k |
| 08:31:43 | ritchie_ | ahah |
| 08:31:44 | ritchie_ | nice |
| 08:31:54 | ritchie_ | only thing im not sure abt is |
| 08:31:59 | ritchie_ | the sides of the image |
| 08:32:05 | ritchie_ | the solid colours |
| 08:32:14 | ritchie_ | they could do with a bit of breaking up |
| 08:33:21 | captain_proton | thats not sides of the image |
| 08:33:24 | captain_proton | its just color |
| 08:33:45 | captain_proton | trying to satisfy riker's wish for a page with dynamic width |
| 08:33:48 | ritchie_ | ah right |
| 08:33:57 | ritchie_ | nice |
| 08:35:20 | captain_proton | /league is there too - fixed up for the new header, variable width (and prettier borders :) |
| 08:35:30 | ritchie_ | k |
| 08:36:16 | ritchie_ | can u change the link onmouseovers |
| 08:36:21 | captain_proton | ? |
| 08:36:23 | ritchie_ | the italics yellow highlight is disgusting |
| 08:39:42 | captain_proton | italics yellow highlight?! |
| 08:39:54 | ritchie_ | in the league site |
| 08:40:03 | ritchie_ | a normal text link looks awful on mouse over |
| 08:42:13 | captain_proton | aha - that's valoche's doing |
| 08:42:16 | captain_proton | what should i change it to? |
| 08:42:18 | ritchie_ | mmm |
| 08:42:24 | ritchie_ | underline on onmouseover |
| 08:42:48 | ritchie_ | be consistent |
| 08:44:20 | captain_proton | better? |
| 08:44:38 | ritchie_ | much ta |
| 08:47:51 | captain_proton | i'm working on doing something BZFlag wanted and converting the wiki |
| 08:47:58 | captain_proton | you can see the new one at /wiki |
| 08:48:51 | captain_proton | ooh joy |
| 08:48:53 | ritchie_ | k |
| 08:48:56 | captain_proton | i just deleted the front page =| |
| 08:49:16 | ritchie_ | thats the wiki we use |
| 08:50:35 | ritchie_ | its all german |
| 08:50:37 | ritchie_ | ! |
| 08:50:53 | captain_proton | i'm in the process of deleting the german files |
| 08:51:12 | ritchie_ | good |
| 08:51:27 | ritchie_ | is it you who is reading music + computing? |
| 08:51:41 | ritchie_ | or have i got mixed up |
| 08:52:30 | captain_proton | depends :) |
| 08:52:38 | ritchie_ | why depends? |
| 08:52:51 | captain_proton | well, i've read about certain things |
| 08:53:01 | ritchie_ | ah |
| 08:53:13 | ritchie_ | in england we say reading to mean studying at university |
| 08:53:22 | ritchie_ | i would say - im going to read classics |
| 08:53:39 | ritchie_ | if i meant i wanted to read classics |
| 08:53:42 | ritchie_ | at uni |
| 08:53:56 | captain_proton | ahh, then yes |
| 08:55:05 | ritchie_ | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2147879.stm - fun fun |
| 08:55:55 | captain_proton | once i finish clearing out the german, good idea to disable delete? |
| 08:56:28 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 08:56:34 | ritchie_ | otherwise |
| 08:56:42 | ritchie_ | some funny guys will delete the whole db |
| 08:58:40 | captain_proton | HilfeZuSmileys |
| 08:58:51 | captain_proton | :) |
| 08:59:16 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 09:00:22 | captain_proton | probably good to keep all the english help files around |
| 09:00:46 | ritchie_ | mmm |
| 09:07:01 | captain_proton | there we go, no more DeleteFile |
| 09:07:22 | ritchie_ | well done |
| 09:07:30 | ritchie_ | bbiab |
| 09:07:30 | ritchie_ | cya |
| 09:47:43 | Gorb | ibot help |
| 10:00:38 | | ascii 0 is '^@' |
| 10:00:38 | Gorb | ibot chr 0 |
| 10:58:09 | akira_ | buja |
| 11:06:37 | iLLf8d | morning all gotta shower and goto work cya |
| 11:21:24 | akira_ | bye |
| 11:49:45 | PerfectCell | hi |
| 11:50:01 | ritchie_ | hiu2 |
| 11:50:25 | PerfectCell | does someone know if floatingpoint div is slower then mult |
| 11:51:14 | ritchie_ | slower |
| 11:51:19 | PerfectCell | sure |
| 11:51:22 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 11:51:26 | ritchie_ | dividing is much slower |
| 11:51:36 | ritchie_ | i had an article abt it somewhere |
| 11:51:43 | PerfectCell | _Sin = 1.0f / _Sin; |
| 11:51:43 | PerfectCell | return new Vector3D( _Sin*x, _Sin*y, _Sin*z ); |
| 11:51:51 | PerfectCell | is better |
| 11:51:51 | ritchie_ | multiply by a decimal if poss |
| 11:52:40 | PerfectCell | then return new Vector3D( x /_Sin, y / _Sin, z /_Sin ); |
| 11:53:18 | PerfectCell | decimal? |
| 11:54:19 | PerfectCell | i thought the ne cpus can handle floatingpoint divs as fast as mults, but i think im wrong |
| 11:57:11 | ritchie_ | i dont know |
| 11:57:19 | ritchie_ | what cpu are you going to run it on |
| 11:57:34 | ritchie_ | ? |
| 11:57:38 | PerfectCell | athlon xp |
| 11:57:57 | ritchie_ | oh well |
| 11:58:00 | ritchie_ | i cant say for SURE |
| 11:58:01 | ritchie_ | but |
| 11:58:09 | ritchie_ | im pretty certain |
| 11:58:16 | PerfectCell | k, thanks |
| 13:07:46 | akira_ | moin |
| 13:17:26 | akira_ | na, is gut jetzt |
| 13:58:09 | PerfectCell | puh, i done all the 3d math, my own library |
| 13:58:18 | akira_ | wow |
| 13:58:24 | akira_ | quaternions also? |
| 13:58:57 | PerfectCell | yes |
| 14:01:19 | PerfectCell | ibot help |
| 14:01:33 | akira_ | PerfectCell: do they work correct? |
| 14:01:48 | PerfectCell | yes, i just tested it all today |
| 14:02:02 | akira_ | i am a little bit sceptic with my implementation ... |
| 14:02:12 | PerfectCell | why? |
| 14:02:33 | PerfectCell | ro what are u sceptic about especially? |
| 14:02:34 | akira_ | when i wrote my own 3d math stuff it was surprisingly very close to some other libs :)) |
| 14:03:13 | akira_ | sceptic about the multiplication of my quats .. a euler rotatation about 45 degree around the 3 axis seems to be wrong ... |
| 14:03:45 | PerfectCell | i dont use euler |
| 14:04:00 | akira_ | check it out |
| 14:04:04 | PerfectCell | k |
| 14:04:24 | akira_ | build a rot matrix with glRotatef(45, 1, 0, 0); and so on |
| 14:04:34 | akira_ | and with a quat mult .. check the result |
| 14:04:51 | BZdoug | goat blood |
| 14:05:15 | PerfectCell | ok i try |
| 14:08:12 | akira_ | did you write a little trackball too? |
| 14:09:08 | PerfectCell | U MEAN WITH MOUSE |
| 14:09:22 | PerfectCell | muse ball |
| 14:09:28 | PerfectCell | mouse ball |
| 14:10:15 | akira_ | trackball, arcball, mouseball ... |
| 14:11:11 | PerfectCell | yes of course, my View3D class can do pan, rotate, zoom, zoom all, zoom region, zoom selection |
| 14:11:29 | [TeA|TrEE] | :) |
| 14:11:31 | akira_ | so you put all in one class? |
| 14:12:07 | PerfectCell | i put the tasks that are done by the view into the view class |
| 14:12:19 | PerfectCell | but modells have their own class |
| 14:12:36 | akira_ | did you work with pbuffers PerfectCell? |
| 14:12:39 | akira_ | glxpbuffers? |
| 14:12:59 | PerfectCell | and Vector3D, Point3D, Quaternion3D, Transform3D all have their own calsses |
| 14:13:36 | PerfectCell | no i did not use p buffer, is it not the same as stencil buffer? |
| 14:13:48 | akira_ | nope |
| 14:13:50 | akira_ | its not |
| 14:13:57 | PerfectCell | then explain briefly pls |
| 14:14:19 | PerfectCell | what are p buffers used for? |
| 14:14:27 | BZdoug | goat hair stuck to a balloon in alaska |
| 14:15:09 | PerfectCell | glx seems to be an extension |
| 14:15:31 | PerfectCell | i use only glut ang gl |
| 14:17:24 | akira_ | pbuffers (pixelpbuffers) are used for offscreenrendering ... you have generally 3 possibillities for rendering |
| 14:17:30 | akira_ | 1. in a real window |
| 14:17:33 | akira_ | 2. in a pixmap |
| 14:17:37 | akira_ | 3. in a pbuffer |
| 14:17:40 | PerfectCell | k |
| 14:17:49 | akira_ | real window is clear, everyone do this :) |
| 14:18:01 | PerfectCell | pbuffer is like rendering to a texture |
| 14:18:15 | akira_ | the glcontext will be bound to the visual ressources or the "drawable" |
| 14:18:17 | akira_ | and thats it |
| 14:18:25 | akira_ | yep, something like this ... |
| 14:18:26 | PerfectCell | ah, k |
| 14:18:47 | PerfectCell | dont neede that so far |
| 14:19:31 | akira_ | you could render to a pbuffer and use this pbuffer to build the texture |
| 14:20:00 | PerfectCell | ah,k thats nice for mirrors maybe |
| 14:20:13 | akira_ | instead of this, you had to glReadPixels(slow) or glCopyPixels(slow) from the framebuffer and copy/transfer it to the texturememory |
| 14:20:57 | PerfectCell | but then u have to use software rendering or? |
| 14:21:19 | akira_ | nope |
| 14:21:19 | akira_ | :)) |
| 14:21:23 | akira_ | thats the trick |
| 14:21:33 | akira_ | pbuffers are hw-accelerated and FASt |
| 14:21:43 | PerfectCell | k |
| 14:21:49 | akira_ | glreadpixels etc is slow coz you have to transfer the stuff about the bus |
| 14:22:02 | PerfectCell | yes |
| 14:22:30 | PerfectCell | an p buffers arent they transfared too |
| 14:22:34 | akira_ | but my glxpbuffer stuff crashes the xserver at the moment :)) |
| 14:23:38 | akira_ | PerfectCell: go to nvidia.com and search for pbuffers, quite good paper there |
| 14:23:44 | PerfectCell | the glx is that an extension |
| 14:24:00 | PerfectCell | k |
| 14:24:37 | akira_ | nope |
| 14:24:48 | akira_ | its the connection between X and opengl |
| 14:24:53 | akira_ | for windows its wgl |
| 14:24:57 | akira_ | for mac agl i guess |
| 14:24:58 | PerfectCell | ah, k |
| 14:25:02 | akira_ | or p .. or whatever |
| 14:26:06 | akira_ | hello patty |
| 14:26:12 | patlabor221 | hello |
| 14:27:03 | BZdoug | hey patlabor221! |
| 14:27:11 | patlabor221 | hey |
| 14:27:28 | patlabor221 | must find someway to wake up |
| 14:27:38 | BZdoug | coffee |
| 14:27:42 | patlabor221 | ick |
| 14:27:47 | patlabor221 | nasty |
| 14:27:50 | BZdoug | exactly |
| 14:27:54 | BZdoug | it should wake you up |
| 14:27:56 | BZdoug | ;) |
| 14:27:59 | patlabor221 | I don't need nasty to wake up |
| 14:28:10 | patlabor221 | to throw up sure |
| 14:28:15 | akira_ | patlabor221: WAKE UP |
| 14:28:23 | BZdoug | hehe |
| 14:28:40 | patlabor221 | trust me I"m trying |
| 14:28:46 | BZdoug | slaps patlabor221 |
| 14:28:52 | BZdoug | hmm |
| 14:29:00 | BZdoug | hes not responding... |
| 14:29:00 | BZdoug | ;) |
| 14:29:12 | akira_ | patlabor221: WAKE UP YOU LAZYE FAT ASS .. COME ON, STAND UP AND MOVE YA :)) |
| 14:29:17 | akira_ | one two three :)) |
| 14:29:24 | patlabor221 | hmmm could that be that it's because you are just typing and not realy slaping |
| 14:29:30 | BZdoug | HEAVE, HO!!!!! |
| 14:29:30 | akira_ | you are not at home anymore :)) |
| 14:29:44 | patlabor221 | I know, I'm at work |
| 14:29:54 | BZdoug | get a coke.. |
| 14:31:37 | patlabor221 | bah, they are weak' |
| 14:32:03 | BZdoug | go run around the block... |
| 14:32:16 | patlabor221 | that will make me more tired |
| 14:32:20 | akira_ | PerfectCell: you were the one with the cheatcodestuff? |
| 14:32:40 | BZdoug | go breath some refreshing city air... |
| 14:32:51 | patlabor221 | I don't live in a city |
| 14:33:07 | BZdoug | go breath some refreshing town air |
| 14:33:23 | patlabor221 | it's more of a municipality |
| 14:33:28 | BZdoug | hmmm |
| 14:34:35 | BZdoug | go, um, take a cold shower... |
| 14:35:20 | patlabor221 | I can't I'm at work |
| 14:35:36 | patlabor221 | I'v made arangments for the thing that will wake me up |
| 14:35:41 | BZdoug | oh? |
| 14:35:51 | BZdoug | how about food? |
| 14:37:30 | | cell is, like, the biggest cheat |
| 14:37:30 | PerfectCell | ibot cell |
| 14:38:06 | akira_ | so you are german arent you |
| 14:38:12 | PerfectCell | ja |
| 14:38:59 | akira_ | warum muessen wir uns dann verrenken? :) |
| 14:39:44 | PerfectCell | verrenken? |
| 14:39:51 | akira_ | mit english :) |
| 14:40:20 | PerfectCell | ach so, weiss nicht, damit die ausländer hier auch was verstehen |
| 14:40:36 | akira_ | hehe |
| 14:40:41 | akira_ | naja, es strengt ja nich wirklich an |
| 14:40:49 | PerfectCell | eben |
| 14:41:12 | akira_ | oh mein kopf platzt gleich :) |
| 14:41:14 | PerfectCell | und ich bin noch stets am lernen |
| 14:41:25 | PerfectCell | englisch lernen |
| 14:41:27 | akira_ | me too |
| 14:42:15 | PerfectCell | ach ja mal wieder arbeitswetter i der BRD |
| 14:42:28 | akira_ | ich finds geil |
| 14:42:52 | PerfectCell | ja ich auch, denn bei sonnenschein komm ich zu nichts |
| 14:43:12 | akira_ | hehe |
| 14:43:20 | akira_ | da will ich zu nix kommen, bewegung is da scheisse |
| 14:43:50 | PerfectCell | ja, aber computer den ganzen tag macht meine gehirn kaputt |
| 14:44:05 | PerfectCell | zumindest fühle ich mich dann wie ausgekotzt |
| 14:44:20 | PerfectCell | :) |
| 14:44:51 | akira_ | ok, cya all |
| 14:44:53 | akira_ | till later |
| 14:45:00 | PerfectCell | so ich hol mir jetzt noch was zum fressen aus der küche, wozu hab ich den eine topf voll reis heute gamacht |
| 14:45:11 | PerfectCell | ok tschüs |
| 14:45:40 | BZdoug | ù |
| 14:46:43 | PerfectCell | ü |
| 14:46:54 | BZdoug | ¦ |
| 14:47:02 | BZdoug | Æ |
| 14:47:02 | PerfectCell | ü |
| 14:47:30 | PerfectCell | üöä |
| 14:47:40 | BZdoug | ÆôöÉôòû¦-öÅÉæ |
| 14:47:55 | PerfectCell | yes, and ü |
| 14:49:28 | PerfectCell | float _W = QA.w * QB.w - QA.x * QB.x - QA.y * QB.y - QA.z * QB.z; |
| 14:49:28 | PerfectCell | float _X = QB.w * QB.x + QA.w * QA.x + QA.y * QB.z - QA.z * QB.y; |
| 14:49:29 | PerfectCell | float _Y = QB.w * QB.y + QA.w * QA.y + QA.z * QB.x - QA.x * QB.z; |
| 14:49:29 | PerfectCell | float _Z = QB.w * QB.z + QA.w * QA.z + QA.x * QB.y - QA.y * QB.x; |
| 14:49:29 | PerfectCell | return new Quaternion3D( _W, _X, _Y, _Z ); |
| 14:49:50 | PerfectCell | my cute quat mult |
| 14:53:52 | PerfectCell | took me some time to understnad that P' = q*P*q-1 really performs a rotation of Point P into P' |
| 14:55:56 | | cell is the biggest cheat that has now his own 3D math library full off quaternions |
| 14:55:56 | PerfectCell | ibot cell |
| 14:58:20 | patlabor221 | quat slurpin? |
| 14:58:39 | patlabor221 | nake sure you buy her dinner first |
| 14:58:57 | PerfectCell | dinner? |
| 15:00:15 | PerfectCell | yes slurpin the quat |
| 15:01:22 | PerfectCell | quats took me into field theorie, what a mess |
| 15:04:13 | PerfectCell | task a: show that there exists a neutral element and verify that every quat has an inverse quat in + operation and that the + operator is associative |
| 15:05:23 | PerfectCell | recall in mind: i*i = j*j = k*k =-1, and i*k=-k*i = j and shit forgot that |
| 15:05:53 | PerfectCell | what a mess |
| 15:07:19 | PerfectCell | if u wonder why im posting this here right know then u should know that i have break and nothing else to do |
| 15:08:13 | PerfectCell | so if it irritates u pls ignore me |
| 15:09:15 | PerfectCell | task b: show the same for the * operator |
| 15:11:32 | PerfectCell | its not commutative => no field |
| 15:11:59 | PerfectCell | http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~laura/cs184/quat/quaternion.html |
| 15:12:13 | PerfectCell | its all there |
| 15:16:44 | patlabor221 | shit gotta go. |
| 15:25:16 | [TeA] | LaLaLaLaLaLaLa |
| 15:26:03 | | 6 |
| 15:26:03 | PerfectCell | ibot 2*3 |
| 15:26:15 | BZdoug | lo BZFlag! |
| 15:26:22 | [TeA] | hi |
| 15:26:26 | | 1.57 |
| 15:26:26 | PerfectCell | ibot 3.14/ 2 |
| 15:26:30 | PerfectCell | right |
| 15:26:41 | PerfectCell | u are fast |
| 15:26:47 | BZ[TeA] | ;) |
| 15:27:08 | | PerfectCell: i'm not following you... |
| 15:27:08 | PerfectCell | ibot sin(3.14); |
| 15:27:56 | | BZdoug? |
| 15:27:56 | BZdoug | ibot? |
| 15:28:19 | | ascii 255 is 'ÿ' |
| 15:28:19 | PerfectCell | ibot chr 255 |
| 15:28:23 | PerfectCell | yes |
| 15:28:42 | | ascii 254 is 'þ' |
| 15:28:42 | PerfectCell | ibot chr 254 |
| 15:29:09 | | PerfectCell: i'm not following you... |
| 15:29:09 | PerfectCell | ibot rot 13 cell ist der beste |
| 15:29:17 | | pryy vfg qre orfgr |
| 15:29:17 | PerfectCell | ibot rot13 cell ist der beste |
| 15:29:29 | PerfectCell | well done |
| 15:29:54 | | well, clock is tikking rapidly agains 00:30, and somebody must get up in the morning... thanx for all the help. Goodnight! |
| 15:29:54 | PerfectCell | ibot clock |
| 15:30:12 | PerfectCell | oh, that late |
| 15:30:34 | PerfectCell | ibot currency for thailand |
| 15:30:36 | | PerfectCell: Thailand uses Baht (THB) |
| 15:30:41 | PerfectCell | i know |
| 15:31:47 | | somebody said bill gates was lord or of Darkness |
| 15:31:47 | PerfectCell | ibot bill gates |
| 15:32:04 | | windows is a trap,...an evil pit of quicksand that conjures people away from being free. A small door to freedom can be found at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/WindowsPPPHowto http://www.linux.org or http://www.linux.com |
| 15:32:04 | PerfectCell | ibot windows |
| 15:32:13 | PerfectCell | what a joke |
| 15:32:33 | | it has been said that sun is starting to "sneak" it's way towards the horizon... |
| 15:32:33 | PerfectCell | ibot sun |
| 15:32:42 | PerfectCell | hahaha |
| 15:33:05 | PerfectCell | does not look like that, just look at nasdaq |
| 15:33:28 | PerfectCell | its going down no hell, rapiddly |
| 15:33:47 | | PerfectCell: i'm not following you... |
| 15:33:47 | PerfectCell | ibot joke |
| 15:33:59 | | PerfectCell: i'm not following you... |
| 15:33:59 | PerfectCell | ibot laugh |
| 15:34:04 | PerfectCell | hm |
| 15:34:20 | | PerfectCell: what? |
| 15:34:20 | PerfectCell | ibot tell me a joke |
| 15:35:31 | PerfectCell | ibot dns home.in.tum.de |
| 15:35:32 | | home.in.tum.de is 131.159.4.33 |
| 15:35:35 | PerfectCell | k |
| 15:35:51 | PerfectCell | just little bit faster next time pls |
| 15:35:56 | | ACTION whines like a puppy and sulks |
| 15:35:56 | PerfectCell | ibot bad |
| 15:36:48 | | Loni Anderson's hair should be LEGALIZED!! |
| 15:36:48 | PerfectCell | ibot be zippy |
| 15:36:54 | PerfectCell | hahaha |
| 15:37:48 | | No luck, PerfectCell |
| 15:37:48 | PerfectCell | ibot insult me |
| 15:38:06 | PerfectCell | hm should that be an insult |
| 15:38:15 | | ACTION whines like a puppy and sulks |
| 15:38:15 | PerfectCell | ibot bad |
| 15:39:06 | | 'cell' is 0% lame, PerfectCell |
| 15:39:06 | PerfectCell | ibot nickometer cell |
| 15:39:12 | PerfectCell | right |
| 15:39:20 | | PerfectCell: what? |
| 15:39:20 | PerfectCell | ibot good |
| 15:40:53 | BZFlag | PerfectCell: ok, /msg ibot please? |
| 15:41:56 | | I haven't seen 'metusalem', PerfectCell |
| 15:41:56 | PerfectCell | ibot seen metusalem |
| 15:42:05 | PerfectCell | :( |
| 15:42:11 | BZFlag | PerfectCell: please? |
| 15:42:26 | PerfectCell | yes |
| 15:42:40 | ritchie_ | PerfectCell: please? |
| 15:42:49 | ritchie_ | what dya want? |
| 15:42:50 | PerfectCell | what do u want |
| 15:43:24 | ritchie_ | we want you to stop clogging up the channel please |
| 15:43:29 | ritchie_ | with pointless messages to ibot |
| 15:43:44 | PerfectCell | ok |
| 15:44:22 | BZFlag | back later. |
| 15:44:26 | ritchie_ | cya |
| 15:49:49 | BZ[TeA] | LiLaLu |
| 15:55:25 | bzdoug_ | poof |
| 15:56:35 | BZ[TeA] | 0o0o0 |
| 15:56:39 | BZ[TeA] | 0ooo0 |
| 15:56:41 | BZ[TeA] | o0o0o |
| 15:56:45 | BZ[TeA] | oo0oo |
| 16:00:55 | bzdoug | bryjen: hey |
| 16:01:36 | BZ[TeA] | hey |
| 16:01:45 | BZ[TeA] | Co me on taf |
| 16:01:47 | BZ[TeA] | tadf |
| 16:01:49 | BZ[TeA] | tad |
| 16:08:14 | bryjen | very quite today |
| 16:08:19 | bzdoug | heh |
| 16:08:45 | bryjen | s/quite/quiet |
| 16:09:29 | bzdoug | anyone else here? |
| 16:09:39 | bzdoug | could someone send me a file through dcc? |
| 16:12:35 | bryjen | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 16:12:37 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 16:12:45 | bryjen | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 59999 |
| 16:12:46 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 16:21:29 | m0nkeyb0y | hi |
| 16:22:34 | bzdoug | patlabor221: HEY! |
| 16:22:39 | patlabor221 | hye |
| 16:23:11 | patlabor221 | sup |
| 16:23:22 | bzdoug | nothin |
| 16:23:24 | patlabor221 | look at all those ops |
| 16:23:28 | bzdoug | wow |
| 16:23:33 | bzdoug | wonder why... |
| 16:23:48 | patlabor221 | mass bannings? |
| 16:23:52 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 16:23:56 | bzdoug | not that I have seen |
| 16:24:07 | patlabor221 | longs for the good ol days of mass bannings |
| 16:24:17 | patlabor221 | got how I miss the screaming. :) |
| 16:24:25 | bzdoug | lol |
| 16:26:44 | patlabor221 | quite a few bz's here too |
| 16:28:11 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 16:29:33 | patlabor221 | ugg the redbull buzz is waring off |
| 16:29:46 | bzdoug | ugh, um |
| 16:52:16 | patlabor221 | more BZs |
| 17:31:23 | ritchie_ | hmmm |
| 17:31:26 | ritchie_ | any suggestions on |
| 17:31:53 | ritchie_ | http://80.192.227.122/bzctf/tournament/tournview.php |
| 17:32:14 | ritchie_ | sorry |
| 17:32:21 | ritchie_ | http://80.192.227.122/bzctf/tournament/viewtuorn.php |
| 17:32:23 | ritchie_ | argh |
| 17:32:25 | ritchie_ | last tiem |
| 17:32:27 | ritchie_ | time * |
| 17:32:32 | ritchie_ | http://80.192.227.122/bzctf/tournament/viewtourn.php |
| 17:32:35 | bzdoug | spelling class? |
| 17:32:43 | ritchie_ | typing |
| 17:32:48 | ritchie_ | i can spell :-) |
| 17:32:48 | MIRELLA3 | hi all |
| 17:32:52 | ritchie_ | hi |
| 17:32:56 | ritchie_ | http://80.192.227.122/bzctf/tournament/viewtourn.php |
| 17:32:57 | bzdoug | hey MIRELLA3 |
| 17:33:08 | MIRELLA3 | http://80.192.227.122/bzctf/tournament/viewtourn.php |
| 17:33:10 | MIRELLA3 | hi |
| 17:33:15 | ritchie_ | hi |
| 17:33:20 | ritchie_ | thats the address |
| 17:33:21 | bzdoug | hi |
| 17:33:23 | MIRELLA3 | http://80.192.227.122/bzctf/tournament/viewtourn.php?rounds=7&sround=1&eround=7 |
| 17:33:37 | ritchie_ | its a tree (with dummy data) |
| 17:33:38 | ritchie_ | to show |
| 17:33:42 | ritchie_ | what it would be like |
| 17:33:42 | MIRELLA3 | cool |
| 17:34:17 | MIRELLA3 | the record of the battle |
| 17:34:22 | ritchie_ | mmm |
| 17:34:34 | ritchie_ | the code is surprisingly short to generate it |
| 17:34:36 | MIRELLA3 | or little record stream |
| 17:34:52 | bzdoug | hey captain_proton!!! |
| 17:34:53 | ritchie_ | http://80.192.227.122/bzctf/tournament/tournTree.phpclass |
| 17:34:55 | ritchie_ | hi proton |
| 17:35:04 | MIRELLA3 | http://80.192.227.122/bzctf/tournament/tournTree.phpclass |
| 17:35:15 | ritchie_ | thats the code to generate it (v small) |
| 17:35:27 | captain_proton | fj33rs the ops |
| 17:35:30 | captain_proton | =) |
| 17:35:35 | bzdoug | lol |
| 17:35:35 | ritchie_ | fj33rs? |
| 17:35:39 | bzdoug | what is with the ops? |
| 17:35:46 | bzdoug | jeers |
| 17:35:57 | bzdoug | jeers the ops |
| 17:36:01 | ritchie_ | ah |
| 17:36:02 | MIRELLA3 | http://80.192.227.122/bzctf/tournament/viewtourn.php |
| 17:36:06 | patlabor221 | fear the ops man |
| 17:36:12 | bzdoug | lol |
| 17:36:12 | captain_proton | MIRELLA3: i heard it the first time! |
| 17:36:20 | bzdoug | cowers from the ops |
| 17:36:35 | patlabor221 | you should |
| 17:36:48 | MIRELLA3 | is it possible to record a battle? |
| 17:36:49 | captain_proton | ritchie_: i've got a tarball of the league pages + the db if you want it |
| 17:36:57 | ritchie_ | that would be great |
| 17:36:57 | ritchie_ | thanks |
| 17:38:31 | MIRELLA3 | when there is a battle |
| 17:38:38 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 17:38:42 | ritchie_ | you press the W button |
| 17:38:46 | ritchie_ | but thats an admin function |
| 17:38:48 | ritchie_ | :-) |
| 17:39:00 | bzdoug | W key? |
| 17:39:02 | bzdoug | ?? |
| 17:39:03 | MIRELLA3 | do the players download a client before the battle? |
| 17:39:10 | ritchie_ | ? |
| 17:39:20 | MIRELLA3 | a not modified client |
| 17:39:21 | ritchie_ | bzdoug - if you look at the page |
| 17:39:40 | ritchie_ | there is an image which you have to click |
| 17:39:50 | bzdoug | oh |
| 17:40:19 | ritchie_ | MIRELLA - this is for http://www.bzflag.org/league/ |
| 17:40:23 | bzdoug | I see |
| 17:40:37 | MIRELLA3 | http://www.bzflag.org/league thnx |
| 17:41:02 | MIRELLA3 | http://www.bzflag.org/league/index.php?link=bzforums&sessionid=4b51e910fd343b872ac39a2a2adc6d0a |
| 17:41:24 | ritchie_ | why do you copy every link |
| 17:41:30 | patlabor221 | that thing needs the new logo header |
| 17:41:40 | bzdoug | patlabor221: you the man to do it!! |
| 17:41:44 | ritchie_ | its not live yet, im still working on the other scripts |
| 17:41:44 | bzdoug | lo pragma!!!! |
| 17:41:53 | MIRELLA3 | http://www.bzflag.org/league/index.php?link=playerinfo&id=7&sessionid=4b51e910fd343b872ac39a2a2adc6d0a |
| 17:42:02 | bzdoug | the mols are the winnner |
| 17:42:02 | ritchie_ | why copy every link? |
| 17:42:04 | MIRELLA3 | there is mirella too |
| 17:42:05 | MIRELLA3 | ahah |
| 17:42:10 | pragma | hi bzdoug! |
| 17:42:21 | MIRELLA3 | i m using a program |
| 17:42:24 | MIRELLA3 | i m not with mirc |
| 17:42:31 | bzdoug | so |
| 17:42:32 | bzdoug | ? |
| 17:51:51 | captain_proton | pokes BZFlag |
| 17:52:11 | twee | hi Widget |
| 17:52:21 | MIRELLA3 | salut |
| 17:52:25 | MIRELLA3 | ça va? |
| 17:52:35 | twee | mais oui... ;-) et toi? |
| 17:52:56 | MIRELLA3 | moi aussi |
| 17:53:06 | twee | t'habit ou? |
| 17:53:08 | BZFlag | captain_proton: what? |
| 17:53:15 | MIRELLA3 | moi je suis en italie |
| 17:53:17 | MIRELLA3 | et toi? |
| 17:53:26 | pragma | Mexique rulz... |
| 17:53:30 | pragma | =) |
| 17:53:50 | MIRELLA3 | pragma pack |
| 17:53:55 | captain_proton | BZFlag: http://bhaskara.bzflag.org:8080/ |
| 17:54:05 | MIRELLA3 | http://bhaskara.bzflag.org:8080/ |
| 17:54:15 | twee | MIRELLA3: en suisse. c'est la 1ere language, le francais pour toi? |
| 17:54:25 | MIRELLA3 | non |
| 17:54:31 | twee | MIRELLA3: italien |
| 17:54:31 | MIRELLA3 | je suis italien |
| 17:54:32 | captain_proton | MIRELLA3: do you have to repeat every URL someone says here? |
| 17:54:34 | twee | alors |
| 17:54:40 | MIRELLA3 | sorry |
| 17:55:17 | MIRELLA3 | bon alors |
| 17:55:23 | MIRELLA3 | on disait quoi? |
| 17:56:02 | twee | MIRELLA3: rien... ;-) mais dis quoi: t'as appris a l'ecole? |
| 17:56:17 | MIRELLA3 | non en regardant la télé |
| 17:56:25 | MIRELLA3 | et en lisant |
| 17:56:33 | twee | MIRELLA3: vraiment??? |
| 17:56:35 | MIRELLA3 | j'aime regarder France 2 |
| 17:56:48 | twee | MIRELLA3: mais la grammaire |
| 17:56:55 | twee | MIRELLA3: ? |
| 17:57:04 | MIRELLA3 | j'ai lu en livre |
| 17:57:08 | MIRELLA3 | un |
| 17:57:24 | MIRELLA3 | Mirella est mon chat |
| 17:57:29 | twee | MIRELLA3: ;-) |
| 17:57:54 | twee | tu as un ou plusieurs chats? |
| 17:58:08 | MIRELLA3 | j'ai seulement Mirella avec moi |
| 17:58:22 | MIRELLA3 | mais j'ai une autre chatte dans une autre maison |
| 17:58:34 | twee | MIRELLA3: tu est etudiant? |
| 17:58:41 | MIRELLA3 | pas du tout |
| 17:58:56 | MIRELLA3 | est-il fait chaud en suisse? |
| 17:59:25 | twee | non, pas trop malheuereusement;-( est en italie? |
| 17:59:33 | MIRELLA3 | très chaud |
| 17:59:51 | twee | plus de 30°C? |
| 17:59:57 | MIRELLA3 | pour gerer le site bzflag.org |
| 18:00:04 | MIRELLA3 | comment faites-vous? |
| 18:00:54 | twee | MIRELLA3: pas compris ta question.... pardon |
| 18:01:27 | MIRELLA3 | est-ce qu'il ya a webmaster qui s'occupe d'envoyer et modified les pages? |
| 18:02:04 | twee | MIRELLA3: pour les pages web? ca depend |
| 18:02:28 | twee | MIRELLA3: ah, maintenant je compris |
| 18:02:45 | twee | MIRELLA3: ;-) non, je ne suis pas dans un team;-) |
| 18:02:57 | MIRELLA3 | oui oui pour les pages web |
| 18:03:39 | twee | toi tu joues dans la league, n'est-ce pas? |
| 18:04:02 | ritchie_ | cya all |
| 18:04:08 | twee | cu |
| 18:04:27 | MIRELLA3 | vya |
| 18:04:29 | MIRELLA3 | cya |
| 18:04:38 | MIRELLA3 | ah non je joue pas |
| 18:04:44 | MIRELLA3 | j'ai pas un team |
| 18:05:09 | MIRELLA3 | comment ça marche? |
| 18:05:12 | MIRELLA3 | c'est à dire |
| 18:05:23 | MIRELLA3 | quand on joue a league battle |
| 18:05:31 | MIRELLA3 | il marche comment? |
| 18:05:49 | MIRELLA3 | pendant 10 mn |
| 18:05:51 | MIRELLA3 | ? |
| 18:06:39 | twee | non, je crois pendant 30min, mais je ne le sais pas;-( je ne joue pas non plus |
| 18:06:56 | MIRELLA3 | tu fais quoi dans la vie? |
| 18:07:22 | twee | ma profession? je suis etudiant. et tu fais quoi? |
| 18:07:31 | MIRELLA3 | moi je joue a bzflag |
| 18:07:36 | twee | ;-) |
| 18:07:37 | MIRELLA3 | ;-) |
| 18:07:48 | captain_proton | BZFlag: any comments? |
| 18:08:01 | twee | et de plus? |
| 18:08:21 | MIRELLA3 | rien plus |
| 18:09:07 | twee | mais tu ne peut pas jouer 12h le jour bzflag? non? ;-) |
| 18:09:29 | MIRELLA3 | ahah non |
| 18:09:32 | MIRELLA3 | biensur |
| 18:10:35 | twee | tu travailles alors? |
| 18:10:45 | MIRELLA3 | oui oui je travaille aussi |
| 18:10:55 | MIRELLA3 | twee i have a little proble |
| 18:10:55 | MIRELLA3 | m |
| 18:11:00 | MIRELLA3 | a small prob |
| 18:11:18 | MIRELLA3 | Mirella cat likes to play |
| 18:11:25 | twee | ;-) |
| 18:12:01 | twee | c'est pas un problem, je crois! |
| 18:12:11 | MIRELLA3 | oui elle est devant l'ecran |
| 18:12:24 | twee | "lol" |
| 18:12:38 | twee | alors, oui, ca s'est un problem |
| 18:12:42 | twee | ;-) |
| 18:12:58 | MIRELLA3 | bon a la prochaine |
| 18:13:11 | twee | a la prochaine! |
| 18:17:49 | captain_proton | waits patiently |
| 18:20:44 | Chestal | wait for what? |
| 18:21:01 | captain_proton | BZFlag's comments |
| 18:21:21 | bzdoug | what is with all the ops? |
| 18:22:11 | Chestal | I have no idea, where did they come from? |
| 18:22:46 | captain_proton | goes to check the IRC log |
| 18:25:35 | captain_proton | sigh |
| 18:25:39 | captain_proton | no log up yet for today |
| 18:25:48 | captain_proton | Chestal: care to look at your history? |
| 18:25:48 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 18:25:54 | bzdoug | iot seen jacques_gone |
| 18:26:01 | | jacques_gone was last seen on #tuxscreen 6 days, 22 hours, 7 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: hi lo [Wed Jul 17 21:18:13 2002] |
| 18:26:01 | bzdoug | ibot seen jacques_gone |
| 18:26:05 | bzdoug | bah |
| 18:26:09 | | bzdoug: excuse me? |
| 18:26:09 | bzdoug | ibot see Widget |
| 18:26:14 | | Widget was last seen on #bzflag 11 hours, 46 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying: Bis bald... [Wed Jul 24 07:40:09 2002] |
| 18:26:14 | bzdoug | ibot seen Widget |
| 18:26:19 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 18:26:21 | Chestal | proton: I think I'm too lazy |
| 18:26:41 | Chestal | ok, I found an easy way |
| 18:26:55 | Chestal | bzflag distributed the ops |
| 18:27:07 | captain_proton | for any particular reason? |
| 18:27:17 | Chestal | no idea, I just did /lastlog mode |
| 18:27:23 | Chestal | so I only saw the mode changes, no other lines |
| 18:27:40 | captain_proton | mmm |
| 18:27:57 | captain_proton | well - can't you look at the timestamp there and scroll up? |
| 18:28:08 | Chestal | no |
| 18:28:24 | Chestal | all I can do is something like /last 1000 to see the 1000 most recent lines |
| 18:28:30 | BZFlag | captain_proton: can't get to 8080 from here. |
| 18:28:33 | Chestal | but that's too much effort right now |
| 18:28:45 | captain_proton | BZFlag: hmm, what ports -can- you get tot? |
| 18:28:49 | BZFlag | 80 |
| 18:28:53 | Chestal | proton: you could ask Tim himself :-) |
| 18:28:55 | captain_proton | i can't do 80 |
| 18:29:02 | BZFlag | 2401 |
| 18:29:08 | captain_proton | 2401 it is |
| 18:29:53 | captain_proton | ok, changed |
| 18:30:03 | captain_proton | BZFlag: btw, why the ops? ;) |
| 18:30:12 | BZFlag | http://bhaskara.bzflag.org:2401/ ? |
| 18:30:18 | captain_proton | BZFlag: should be |
| 18:30:28 | BZFlag | refused. |
| 18:30:33 | captain_proton | what do you resolve it to? |
| 18:30:38 | bzdoug | me too |
| 18:30:51 | BZFlag | 128.138.88.179 |
| 18:30:56 | captain_proton | http://128.138.87.172:2401/ |
| 18:30:56 | Chestal | I get a timeout |
| 18:31:00 | captain_proton | curses cacheing nameservers |
| 18:31:23 | Chestal | I get a different IP and a rev map mismatch warning |
| 18:32:22 | Chestal | are some links supposed to be broken? |
| 18:32:29 | captain_proton | no |
| 18:32:42 | Chestal | 'reviews' link on main page is not found |
| 18:32:55 | captain_proton | oh my, so it is |
| 18:33:10 | BZFlag | I don't like the italics for links. |
| 18:33:48 | captain_proton | BZFlag: suggestion? |
| 18:33:56 | Chestal | I guess I agree, hard to see what is clickable |
| 18:34:10 | Chestal | maybe make them blue? italics+blue would be fine, too |
| 18:34:38 | metal_magic | is there anyone here who knows m0nkey_b0y? |
| 18:34:40 | BZFlag | never, ever, _ever_ hightlight "here" as a link. it's poor form. |
| 18:34:56 | BZFlag | italics+blue would be fine. |
| 18:35:03 | Chestal | metal: well, I do not know him personally |
| 18:35:17 | metal_magic | i'd like to know which team he belongs to |
| 18:35:23 | captain_proton | BZFlag: where is the 'here' link? |
| 18:35:30 | metal_magic | can't find him in bzleague |
| 18:35:31 | BZFlag | download page |
| 18:35:39 | Chestal | metal: click the loops team |
| 18:35:48 | Chestal | metal: he's one of those guys |
| 18:36:14 | metal_magic | one of the zeros in froot loops? :-) |
| 18:36:21 | Chestal | proton; I don't liek that the server is so slow ;-) |
| 18:36:33 | Chestal | metal: maybe it's best to send a team message :-) |
| 18:36:48 | BZFlag | ooh! MoinMoin even. ;-) |
| 18:36:55 | captain_proton | Chestal: buy me a new internet connection |
| 18:36:57 | captain_proton | BZFlag: yepyep :) |
| 18:37:07 | captain_proton | or is that YepYep? |
| 18:37:15 | metal_magic | yes he seems to really be in the loops team, thank you very much |
| 18:37:58 | Chestal | quickmessages should be added to http://128.138.87.172:2401/help/customization.php |
| 18:38:42 | BZFlag | should theme MoinMoin similarly with the rest of the site. |
| 18:39:35 | BZFlag | I'm willing to do that once the site it up though. |
| 18:39:43 | metal_magic | finally I can see a newer version than e4 :-) |
| 18:40:26 | BZFlag | get involved in the left column should be get involved |
| 18:40:46 | BZFlag | ditto CTF league |
| 18:41:08 | metal_magic | is it really dialup? |
| 18:41:15 | metal_magic | it is horrible |
| 18:41:28 | captain_proton | ok, links are blue |
| 18:41:36 | Chestal | in the help sectin, we could add HTML versins of the man pages |
| 18:41:44 | captain_proton | reviews page up |
| 18:41:55 | captain_proton | Chestal: yes, thats the last content i've come up with |
| 18:42:52 | metal_magic | this radar is not that one, everyone told it is terrible, am I right? |
| 18:43:08 | captain_proton | metal_magic: its a matter of opinion. some people think the transparency is too high |
| 18:43:12 | BZFlag | © for copyright. |
| 18:43:16 | Chestal | metal: screenshots are 1.8, not 1.7e6 |
| 18:43:32 | Chestal | metal: why haven't you tried e6 or a patched e6 yet? |
| 18:44:02 | metal_magic | i didn't mean the "horrible" to the sreenshots but to the dialup :-) |
| 18:44:05 | captain_proton | Chestal: speaking of that - if you want to get me some e6/e7 screenshots (both new and old HUD) + gamma, i'd appreciate it |
| 18:44:11 | captain_proton | metal_magic: oh shut up |
| 18:44:38 | Chestal | proton: I woul try and make them at home, I guess you do not want screenshots withotu textures etc.? :-) |
| 18:44:46 | captain_proton | Chestal: right :) |
| 18:44:52 | metal_magic | jupiter@dialup? ehm, sorry :-) |
| 18:45:26 | BZFlag | captain_proton: so what's the plan? you plan to replace /new with this? |
| 18:45:50 | BZFlag | I'm about to disappear for 2 weeks. Traveling to India, and then NY. |
| 18:45:56 | captain_proton | BZFlag: well once i got the man pages there + fix up the other documentation (quickmessages, etc), i was planning to replace / with this |
| 18:46:34 | metal_magic | i didn't try the newer versions cause it has not been in the Debian GNU/Linux testing yet :-) |
| 18:46:50 | BZFlag | captain_proton: don't do that yet. get MoinMoin up on the site, I'll work on getting it to share the same style sheet. |
| 18:46:52 | Chestal | metal: hmm, it's been in unstable for some weeks |
| 18:47:16 | BZFlag | we should put the whole thing in cvs too. |
| 18:47:19 | metal_magic | i have no complaints to e4, so I am using it :-) |
| 18:47:57 | captain_proton | BZFlag: if you just tell me what files to hack i'll theme MoinMoin to use the same stuff |
| 18:48:02 | Chestal | metal: but then you miss the cool roaming |
| 18:48:22 | metal_magic | what roaming? |
| 18:48:29 | captain_proton | in observer mode |
| 18:48:29 | BZFlag | captain_proton: in moin_config.py there should be an entry for the style sheet. |
| 18:48:30 | Chestal | see? :-) |
| 18:48:39 | BZFlag | there is also a header/footer section there. |
| 18:48:45 | captain_proton | BZFlag: mmm, ok |
| 18:48:58 | metal_magic | btw i just noticed the e6 is in unstable now :-) |
| 18:49:32 | BZFlag | captain_proton: the moin_config.py can include anything in config.py |
| 18:49:44 | captain_proton | BZFlag: so if moinmoin is themed appropriately are we good? |
| 18:50:00 | BZFlag | so copy over config.py sections that you want to edit and change them in moin_config.py |
| 18:50:28 | metal_magic | the upstream maintainer of bzflag is tim riker? |
| 18:50:43 | BZFlag | captain_proton: I'm not comfotable with changing while I'm out of town and I'm swamped here, so I'd rather do it when I get back. After aug 10th |
| 18:50:51 | BZFlag | metal_magic: that's me. yes. |
| 18:50:57 | metal_magic | :-) |
| 18:51:03 | captain_proton | BZFlag: so just change the wiki for now? |
| 18:51:13 | BZFlag | that would be fine, sure. |
| 18:51:28 | BZFlag | nobody's using the wiki as it stands anyway. =( |
| 18:51:45 | metal_magic | i just found out you are debian maintainer too :-) |
| 18:51:52 | BZFlag | yep. |
| 18:54:37 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i see a page_footer option but no header |
| 18:56:02 | BZFlag | in moin_config ? or config ? |
| 18:56:22 | captain_proton | config |
| 18:56:25 | captain_proton | hmm, reading |
| 18:56:39 | BZFlag | ah. title1 is what I'm using. |
| 18:57:14 | captain_proton | yeah, looks like thats what I want |
| 18:57:22 | BZFlag | and page_footer2 |
| 18:57:43 | BZFlag | you found css_url right? |
| 18:58:54 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 19:00:14 | BZFlag | oh, and run http://validator.w3.org/ on the whole site. it'll find a bunch of stuff. |
| 19:00:58 | BZFlag | like you having <link> outside of head etc. |
| 19:01:00 | metal_magic | well, going to celebrate woody's release (second time this week :-)), cu :-) |
| 19:01:16 | captain_proton | i have <link> outside of head? |
| 19:01:18 | captain_proton | hrms |
| 19:07:28 | captain_proton | strange |
| 19:07:32 | captain_proton | its not reading in css_url |
| 19:09:36 | BZFlag | in /wiki/css/moinmoin.css ? |
| 19:10:06 | captain_proton | i'm setting it to /general.css |
| 19:10:13 | captain_proton | but its still putting in /wiki/css/moinmoin.css |
| 19:10:45 | BZFlag | meeting calls. |
| 19:10:52 | BZFlag | back later. |
| 19:11:29 | jpablo | hi |
| 19:28:31 | BZFrank | hi |
| 19:28:40 | captain_proton | 'lo BZFrank |
| 19:28:41 | bzdoug | hey BZFrank!!! |
| 19:28:51 | captain_proton | loadworld testworld.wrld crashes p2501 |
| 19:29:03 | BZFrank | not here |
| 19:29:17 | captain_proton | but your explosions are beautiful |
| 19:29:38 | bzdoug | pouts |
| 19:29:39 | BZFrank | works |
| 19:29:39 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 19:29:44 | BZFrank | just tested |
| 19:29:49 | BZFrank | thanks |
| 19:29:53 | bzdoug | is the linux version out yet? |
| 19:30:01 | BZFrank | took asome to get the nuke right |
| 19:30:12 | bzdoug | hrm, is there a screen shot? |
| 19:30:18 | bzdoug | I would like to see it.. |
| 19:30:23 | BZFrank | hey, if I could work 24 hours on it yes, but I need to programm for a living... ;) |
| 19:30:31 | bzdoug | haha |
| 19:30:32 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 19:31:05 | BZFrank | cp: with what windows version did you try? |
| 19:31:13 | BZFrank | is on xp here |
| 19:31:21 | captain_proton | BZFrank: me :) |
| 19:31:50 | BZFrank | no me here, on 98 |
| 19:31:58 | BZFrank | need to check with it however |
| 19:32:12 | captain_proton | well, it doesn't work terribly well |
| 19:32:24 | captain_proton | once you've got a linux version, i'll give that a run - sure to work loads better |
| 19:32:37 | bryjen | is confused |
| 19:33:08 | BZFrank | yep, I had funny effects with VC++ before, turn on optimization and hope for the best |
| 19:33:34 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 19:34:44 | BZFrank | try the server, p2501server.exe testworld.wrld and then join localhost in the client |
| 19:34:46 | bryjen | oh, me = Millennium Edition , not me =you |
| 19:35:04 | BZFrank | see :) |
| 19:35:49 | captain_proton | BZFrank: not on windows right now |
| 19:35:54 | captain_proton | BZFrank: i'll try that sometime |
| 19:35:55 | BZFrank | ok, np |
| 19:36:23 | BZFrank | that the client can load a world directly is only for world debugging anyway |
| 19:36:41 | BZFrank | guess you build in similar in 1.8 |
| 19:37:37 | captain_proton | not at the moment |
| 19:37:47 | captain_proton | i don't think we'll ever directly load - always through the server |
| 19:37:57 | captain_proton | we do have a model viewer that can view worlds |
| 19:40:01 | BZFrank | crash confirmed on 98se |
| 19:40:24 | BZFrank | must be something os specific, does not happen on win2k and xp, oh well |
| 19:40:39 | BZFrank | hates mickysoft |
| 19:40:59 | bzdoug | lol |
| 19:41:05 | BZFrank | changes its default compiler |
| 19:41:09 | bzdoug | just make the OS X version and be done... |
| 19:41:10 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 19:41:16 | captain_proton | BZFrank: you do realize that once you do the source release i'm stealing your particle systems ;-) |
| 19:41:28 | BZFrank | sure, thats why I am not releaseing it ;) |
| 19:41:33 | BZFrank | yet |
| 19:41:40 | BZFrank | grins |
| 19:41:56 | bzdoug | lol |
| 19:42:28 | BZFrank | captain, beside you would need to steal quite some classes, the world database, gameobject and animation classes depend on each other |
| 19:43:07 | captain_proton | BZFrank: i can probably take the parameters from the particle systems and make the bz particles do the same thing |
| 19:43:30 | BZFrank | doubful, the differences are huge |
| 19:43:36 | BZFlag | eep. net change... |
| 19:43:46 | BZFrank | but you can try for sure |
| 19:45:24 | BZFrank | in p2501 each object, be it particle, animation, tank, building, mine are identically defined - so if you get the particle stuff you can just use any other things e.g. tanks from my code |
| 19:47:22 | captain_proton | well i'd have to munge your objects into bz for that, which isn't terribly likely |
| 19:50:51 | BZFrank | yep |
| 19:54:08 | akira_ | hallo |
| 19:54:22 | akira_ | is a loop here? |
| 19:54:44 | akira_ | http://fotm.rotten.com/fotm/breakfast.jpg |
| 19:56:10 | patlabor221 | so frank, when you making a map with a tank fountan :) |
| 19:56:11 | RCaway | whats the p2501 url again? |
| 19:56:28 | captain_proton | patlabor221: haha |
| 19:56:42 | patlabor221 | once we made an Uma Thruman fountant |
| 19:57:00 | captain_proton | sounds frightening |
| 19:57:19 | patlabor221 | it was, there was mass panic and destruction. |
| 19:57:45 | captain_proton | akira_: hmmm |
| 19:57:57 | RCaway | anyone? |
| 19:57:59 | akira_ | capn? what? :) |
| 19:58:02 | RCaway | p2501 url? |
| 19:58:12 | captain_proton | akira_: healthy breakfast? |
| 19:58:33 | akira_ | :)) |
| 20:00:28 | BZFrank | http://www.wizards.de/~frank/project2501/ |
| 20:00:45 | ritchie_ | thanks |
| 20:00:54 | ritchie_ | mind if i test it on win2k? |
| 20:00:57 | patlabor221 | BZFrank: I haven't had time to test 98 or the ATIs yet today |
| 20:01:10 | BZFrank | np, do it when you find time |
| 20:01:14 | ritchie_ | ah |
| 20:01:16 | ritchie_ | no dns |
| 20:01:22 | BZFrank | ? |
| 20:01:28 | ritchie_ | well |
| 20:01:29 | patlabor221 | I don't think the rage pro was a valid config, it only had 8megs of ram |
| 20:01:36 | ritchie_ | at least i cant resolve wizards.de |
| 20:02:02 | BZFrank | p2501 currently load at least 12 MByte Textures, that might be the problem |
| 20:02:24 | patlabor221 | that's what I figured |
| 20:02:59 | BZFrank | also it only works on a e.g. geforec2go in 32 bit, 16 comes up with the generic renderer |
| 20:03:27 | patlabor221 | the low framerate thing kinda sucks tho, It seems like SDL is only poling the keystates at each frame and not geting the actual keydown events. |
| 20:04:12 | captain_proton | patlabor221: hmm, thats BZFrank's error, not SDL's ;-) |
| 20:04:28 | patlabor221 | well they have 2 ways to do it |
| 20:04:53 | patlabor221 | SDL events may not check real windows events |
| 20:05:05 | patlabor221 | would depend on how he implemented it |
| 20:05:17 | BZFrank | captain: sorry, I only process what sdl handles me ;) |
| 20:05:51 | patlabor221 | well do you process the SDL event or just look at the SDL keystate? |
| 20:05:51 | ritchie_ | can anyone resolve#] |
| 20:05:55 | ritchie_ | wizards.de please? |
| 20:06:09 | BZFrank | no problem here ;) |
| 20:06:21 | patlabor221 | works for me too |
| 20:06:25 | ritchie_ | can anyone give me the ip please? |
| 20:06:49 | bzdoug | for? |
| 20:07:10 | patlabor221 | 62.111.70.5 |
| 20:07:22 | patlabor221 | so says ping |
| 20:07:27 | ritchie_ | thanks |
| 20:08:02 | captain_proton | SDL should keep all the events it recieves |
| 20:09:01 | patlabor221 | yes but if he dosn't look at them and just looks for a keystate each frame he won't see it |
| 20:09:32 | captain_proton | right |
| 20:10:14 | BZFrank | int HandleEvent(SDL_Event *event) { |
| 20:10:19 | BZFrank | switch( event->type ) { |
| 20:10:24 | BZFrank | case SDL_KEYDOWN: |
| 20:10:28 | BZFrank | etc... |
| 20:10:32 | patlabor221 | that should get it |
| 20:10:35 | BZFrank | so tell me what to change? |
| 20:10:51 | patlabor221 | do you trap SDL_QUIT? |
| 20:11:04 | BZFrank | as event? |
| 20:11:08 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:11:11 | BZFrank | yea |
| 20:11:20 | BZFrank | does stop the main loop |
| 20:11:23 | patlabor221 | then I give a "hmmmmm" |
| 20:11:30 | patlabor221 | that should do it then |
| 20:11:44 | akira_ | nobody stops the loops :)) |
| 20:11:50 | patlabor221 | well when you release the source, I can debug it on that machine |
| 20:11:50 | akira_ | beside the moles :) |
| 20:11:58 | BZFrank | gerbils ;) |
| 20:11:59 | patlabor221 | or a truck |
| 20:12:10 | patlabor221 | he with the most mass wins |
| 20:13:58 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 20:14:25 | ritchie_ | argh |
| 20:14:38 | ritchie_ | i cant get to it- i can get to virtually every other site in the net |
| 20:14:39 | ritchie_ | :-) |
| 20:14:50 | ritchie_ | cant even ping 62.111.70.5 |
| 20:15:14 | BZFrank | send a letter to you ISP |
| 20:15:32 | ritchie_ | heh |
| 20:19:30 | BZFrank | mhmmm, setUIDAndRange segfaults on 98 and ME? strange |
| 20:19:51 | captain_proton | 'segfaults on 98' :) |
| 20:20:15 | patlabor221 | aka, takes a dump |
| 20:22:55 | captain_proton | its just a funny phrase |
| 20:23:01 | captain_proton | since 98 doesn't do segmentation ;-) |
| 20:23:41 | patlabor221 | true |
| 20:23:48 | patlabor221 | we call it access vialoation |
| 20:23:59 | patlabor221 | then the BSOD |
| 20:23:59 | captain_proton | even that is bad wording |
| 20:24:12 | BZFrank | got it |
| 20:24:17 | captain_proton | lets call it splooging on the rest of the memory |
| 20:24:29 | patlabor221 | walking is a better term |
| 20:24:38 | patlabor221 | walking over memory |
| 20:24:39 | BZFrank | works now |
| 20:25:09 | captain_proton | BZFrank: make a binary patch |
| 20:25:11 | captain_proton | =} |
| 20:25:24 | arathorn | hi all |
| 20:25:35 | BZFrank | updating the binary is ok, p2501 is only 180kbyte anyway |
| 20:25:55 | BZFrank | compact code rulz ;) |
| 20:26:14 | BZFrank | hi arathorn |
| 20:26:23 | akira_ | hi arathorn |
| 20:26:39 | captain_proton | [jupiter@bhaskara bzflag]$ ls -lh bin/bzflag |
| 20:26:40 | captain_proton | -rwxrwxr-x 1 jupiter jupiter 6.3M Jul 22 02:26 bin/bzflag |
| 20:26:54 | BZFrank | what a bloat *eg* |
| 20:27:02 | BZFrank | strip bzflag |
| 20:27:06 | captain_proton | i think thats with debugging symbols & everything |
| 20:27:24 | captain_proton | [jupiter@bhaskara bin]$ ls -lh bzflag |
| 20:27:24 | captain_proton | -rwxrwxr-x 1 jupiter jupiter 1.9M Jul 24 15:32 bzflag |
| 20:27:32 | captain_proton | its better, not great |
| 20:27:35 | ritchie_ | BZFrank: i dont see a link to p2501 downloads |
| 20:27:36 | BZFrank | still a lot, statically linked? |
| 20:27:42 | captain_proton | bzflag has more features than p2501 ;-) |
| 20:27:45 | captain_proton | shouldn't be |
| 20:27:48 | BZFrank | i doubt that |
| 20:27:51 | patlabor221 | ritchie there isn't |
| 20:27:57 | ritchie_ | ah |
| 20:27:57 | patlabor221 | it's not released yet |
| 20:28:00 | ritchie_ | so can i test it? |
| 20:28:36 | BZFrank | ritchie, only if you send in a drop of you heartblood and you give up you immortal soul |
| 20:28:40 | BZFrank | grins |
| 20:28:57 | BZFrank | I think this will be in the next MS EULA ;) |
| 20:29:09 | patlabor221 | is souless and proud of it. |
| 20:29:10 | ritchie_ | right |
| 20:29:15 | ritchie_ | but seriously...? |
| 20:29:18 | captain_proton | BZFrank: sorry, my soul is accounted for - is there any other way? |
| 20:29:27 | akira_ | cya ll |
| 20:29:29 | patlabor221 | a human baby |
| 20:29:43 | BZFrank | cp: well, you can send in you right thumb, alternatively |
| 20:30:02 | ritchie_ | so how can proton test it? |
| 20:30:07 | BZFrank | but seriously, ritchie, send me email to frank@wizards.de |
| 20:30:10 | ritchie_ | do you have a win2k binary |
| 20:30:11 | ritchie_ | ok |
| 20:30:46 | BZFrank | and give me your word to keep it on your system as it is an aplha release that is enough |
| 20:30:57 | BZFrank | should work on w2k |
| 20:31:12 | ritchie_ | i promise |
| 20:31:13 | BZFrank | you need to install a opengl device driver however |
| 20:31:19 | patlabor221 | take the baby |
| 20:31:28 | ritchie_ | i have a geforce2 card if thats enough? |
| 20:31:32 | BZFrank | no, my sister already has three ;) |
| 20:31:36 | BZFrank | sure ;) |
| 20:31:59 | patlabor221 | it should run fine on that, that was one of the cards I tested under 2k last night |
| 20:32:00 | BZFrank | letme update this baby, so the crash on 98 is resolved, a few minutes |
| 20:33:01 | BZFrank | need to recompile the server too, they are mostly identical (Server and client) |
| 20:36:00 | ritchie_ | BZFrank : The game and its components will be released under an open license, source code included except for the authentication layer for the network play. |
| 20:36:05 | ritchie_ | cant someone |
| 20:36:11 | ritchie_ | just look at the network packets they send |
| 20:36:14 | ritchie_ | and analyse them? |
| 20:36:25 | BZFrank | sure |
| 20:36:35 | BZFrank | they are even send in clear |
| 20:36:49 | ritchie_ | so why do you not include them? |
| 20:37:03 | ritchie_ | is it a matter of principal?# |
| 20:37:04 | BZFrank | but he will have a hard time rebuilding the cryptgraphic hash for each packet ;) |
| 20:37:09 | ritchie_ | ahah |
| 20:37:15 | ritchie_ | cunning |
| 20:37:28 | ritchie_ | what cryptography u using? |
| 20:37:29 | ritchie_ | rsa? |
| 20:37:32 | ritchie_ | 3des? |
| 20:37:39 | BZFrank | 3des is a block cipher |
| 20:37:46 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 20:37:54 | ritchie_ | ahah sorry |
| 20:38:01 | ritchie_ | didnt read your comment earlier |
| 20:38:03 | ritchie_ | soz |
| 20:38:12 | BZFrank | twofish/rijandel and Panama for most stuff |
| 20:38:23 | ritchie_ | right |
| 20:38:48 | ritchie_ | how many hours do you think uve put into 2501? |
| 20:39:00 | BZFrank | >500 now |
| 20:39:07 | ritchie_ | blimey |
| 20:39:46 | BZFrank | I wrote teh eingie from scratch, that took some time |
| 20:39:55 | BZFrank | engine ;) oh my typos |
| 20:40:08 | ritchie_ | nothing as bda sa mnie ;-) |
| 20:40:38 | BZFrank | hubba bubba ;) |
| 20:48:19 | jacques_gone | 2501? |
| 20:49:28 | | bzdoug: what? |
| 20:49:28 | bzdoug | ibot p2501 |
| 20:49:56 | | OK, bzdoug. |
| 20:49:56 | bzdoug | ibot p2501 is a bzflag clone: http://www.wizards.de/~frank/project2501/ |
| 20:54:01 | | captain_proton was last seen on #bzflag 24 minutes and 43 seconds ago, saying: BZFrank: sorry, my soul is accounted for - is there any other way? [Wed Jul 24 21:29:18 2002] |
| 20:54:01 | bryjen | ibot: seen captain_proton |
| 20:54:10 | BZFrank | I don't think the word clone is right, I don't want to rebuild bzflag |
| 20:54:20 | | bryjen: I forgot p2501 |
| 20:54:20 | bryjen | ibot: forget p2501 |
| 20:54:27 | BZFrank | I'd like the term extend more ;) |
| 20:55:28 | | OK, bryjen. |
| 20:55:28 | bryjen | ibot: P2501 is the working name of a first-person tank game similar in appearance and spirit to BZFlag: http://www.wizards.de/~frank/project2501/ |
| 20:55:44 | bryjen | He cuts, he pastes :) |
| 20:55:44 | BZFrank | that sound ok ;) |
| 20:57:39 | ritchie_ | frank - you get my mail? |
| 20:57:49 | bryjen | I thought clone sounds more like you just copied it. Not right either. |
| 20:58:51 | captain_proton | BZFrank: can you email me the updated non-crashing binary? |
| 20:59:03 | BZFrank | sure, coming |
| 21:00:05 | bryjen | hehe, that reminds me of an example of unfortunate line-wrapping I saw in an ad once...... |
| 21:00:09 | bryjen | Windows 95 |
| 21:00:18 | bryjen | Now with added crash |
| 21:00:20 | bryjen | protection |
| 21:00:27 | jacques | wow 2501 looks coool |
| 21:01:22 | captain_proton | jacques: shoot up a couple mines |
| 21:01:24 | BZFrank | captain: you got mail |
| 21:01:46 | captain_proton | BZFrank: so i do |
| 21:01:47 | BZFrank | make ca. 20 active and watch them go boom ;) |
| 21:02:01 | BZFrank | even slows my gf4 to 30 frames/sec ;) |
| 21:02:06 | bzdoug | lol |
| 21:02:16 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 21:02:19 | captain_proton | slowed me to 28 |
| 21:02:19 | bzdoug | can someone make some screen shots? |
| 21:02:35 | BZFrank | gerbil will, so I think |
| 21:02:41 | captain_proton | btw i really like the way you did mines |
| 21:02:41 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 21:02:48 | bryjen | bah, I need a new video card. FPS envy. |
| 21:02:54 | captain_proton | -> idea for bzflag :) |
| 21:03:05 | jpablo | wow, can i get that p2501 binary (for linux i hope) ? |
| 21:03:28 | BZFrank | captain: I thought long and then I asked myself - why not reuse the atomic bomb (which flys like a motar btw) for them ;) |
| 21:03:34 | bzdoug | I want to see the A-Bomb |
| 21:03:34 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 21:03:50 | BZFrank | you can kick them, you know jump and release and the mines fly |
| 21:03:57 | jacques | unfortunately I am at work now but I cant wait to try 2501 out at home |
| 21:04:10 | BZFrank | jpablo - coming |
| 21:04:11 | bzdoug | cool |
| 21:04:37 | jpablo | cool. |
| 21:04:43 | jpablo | BZFrank: you'll release source ? |
| 21:04:59 | jacques | heh, I hope my gf2 ultra will be enough for it |
| 21:04:59 | captain_proton | BZFrank: i mean specifically the idea of laying large mines, then activating and detonating them |
| 21:05:03 | BZFrank | also I have a new game mode in P2501, there is no CTF, but instead you can play soccer with one ball |
| 21:05:11 | BZFrank | jacques: yes, by far |
| 21:05:17 | jacques | or maybe I should just break down ad put a gf4 in the dual |
| 21:05:26 | jacques | BZFrank: nice :-) |
| 21:05:35 | captain_proton | BZFrank: hmm, sounds like SPECTRE |
| 21:05:54 | bzdoug | yea |
| 21:06:05 | BZFrank | Did I say I played specte like crazy when I was younger ;) |
| 21:06:06 | bzdoug | you ever play spectre captain_proton? |
| 21:06:11 | bzdoug | lol |
| 21:06:19 | BZFrank | even ruined two keyboard ;) |
| 21:06:23 | captain_proton | bzdoug: once |
| 21:06:34 | bzdoug | I played spectre on the mac |
| 21:06:34 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 21:06:43 | captain_proton | BZFrank: haha - i ruined a tab key on one playing bz |
| 21:06:50 | patlabor221 | I loved specter |
| 21:06:52 | bzdoug | lol |
| 21:06:58 | jacques | nice! http://www.wizards.de/~frank/project2501/Capture_07012002_231845.jpg |
| 21:06:59 | BZFrank | cp: these are more gadgets in p2501, e.g. the GM is now an IGM |
| 21:07:15 | captain_proton | IGM? |
| 21:07:20 | bzdoug | IGM? |
| 21:07:21 | BZFrank | that means it locks on heat, no a specirfic tank - if you can avoid it it searches another target ;) |
| 21:07:27 | BZFrank | Infrared ;) |
| 21:07:33 | captain_proton | aha |
| 21:07:38 | bzdoug | cool |
| 21:07:40 | captain_proton | there's a proposed flag for that on bz |
| 21:07:46 | ritchie_ | bzfrank: you received my mail? |
| 21:07:58 | BZFrank | that makes the GM much harder to handle, so it is not an ueberweapon anymore |
| 21:08:08 | jacques | like in PC battlezone - some tanks emitted more heat than others, and the fater you were going, the more heat |
| 21:08:09 | bzdoug | hm |
| 21:08:10 | bzdoug | good |
| 21:08:13 | BZFrank | ritchie: no, not yet |
| 21:08:29 | jacques | they had heat seeking and radar guided missiles |
| 21:08:48 | BZFrank | well, the signature are the same for all tanks, this also applies tothe size ifthe collision model, regardless how the tank looks |
| 21:08:58 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 21:08:58 | bzdoug | is pcbattlezone for free? |
| 21:09:06 | BZFrank | Did I say that I played Battlezone and Battlezone 2 like crazy? ;) |
| 21:09:18 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 21:09:23 | BZFrank | no, still sond as Battlezone Gold Pack by Activision |
| 21:09:27 | BZFrank | sold |
| 21:09:31 | bzdoug | ah |
| 21:10:05 | BZFrank | but worth every dollar! The total conversion Red Oddysee is GREAT! best immersion I ever had seen in any game |
| 21:10:11 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 21:10:50 | BZFrank | ritchie: still no mail |
| 21:11:18 | jacques | BZFrank: me too!! but only in deathmatch _ i was too dump to play the strat games |
| 21:11:18 | patlabor221 | there was a BZ2? |
| 21:11:29 | bzdoug | lo m0nkey_b0y |
| 21:11:34 | m0nkey_b0y | hillo |
| 21:11:42 | BZFrank | yes, but it wasn't so good, the cold war feeling was gone... ;) |
| 21:11:45 | BZFrank | Hi monkey!!!! |
| 21:11:45 | patlabor221 | I want a USB controller that has the 2 sticks :) |
| 21:11:53 | bzdoug | ? |
| 21:11:55 | bzdoug | for whatr? |
| 21:11:56 | m0nkey_b0y | howdy frank! |
| 21:12:12 | patlabor221 | for driving a tank around |
| 21:12:16 | bzdoug | ooohhh |
| 21:12:17 | patlabor221 | like the old arcade BZ |
| 21:12:18 | bzdoug | yea... |
| 21:12:32 | bzdoug | :) |
| 21:12:36 | BZFrank | get an hotrod, great |
| 21:12:42 | captain_proton | "UDP, with packet authetification" |
| 21:12:48 | captain_proton | way to speel |
| 21:12:49 | bzdoug | it would be harder to jump though.... |
| 21:12:53 | BZFrank | http://www.hanaho.com/products/HotRodJoystick/ |
| 21:13:05 | bzdoug | cool |
| 21:13:29 | BZFrank | captain, well need to learn to spell ;) |
| 21:14:04 | captain_proton | BZFrank: mine was intentional |
| 21:14:16 | BZFrank | I could also write UDP with reliable packets and client authentication, that would be more the truth |
| 21:14:24 | BZFrank | I know ;) |
| 21:14:39 | BZFrank | but then I'd you to see write your doc in German *eg*eg* |
| 21:14:48 | patlabor221 | ohh god I NEED that |
| 21:15:05 | patlabor221 | how did I ever live without that |
| 21:15:12 | patlabor221 | and a 50 foot LCD projector |
| 21:15:35 | bzdoug | haha |
| 21:15:48 | patlabor221 | i've got the projector :) |
| 21:15:53 | patlabor221 | we play Halo BIG |
| 21:15:56 | captain_proton | BZFrank: ever played bzflag on the moon? |
| 21:16:10 | BZFrank | differnt gravity? |
| 21:16:14 | bzdoug | yup |
| 21:16:30 | patlabor221 | ever play space invaders on the sky? |
| 21:17:12 | captain_proton | yeppers - server sends all the constants to the client on join now |
| 21:18:22 | ritchie_ | BZFrank: do you have another email address i could try> |
| 21:18:36 | BZFrank | they all go to the very same server in the end |
| 21:18:42 | BZFrank | try frank@this.net |
| 21:18:50 | jacques | hmm that green tank is really well camoflauged |
| 21:19:11 | jacques | camouflaged |
| 21:19:23 | BZFrank | these patterns are really because I am too inept to create nice ones, so I mapped them this way |
| 21:20:26 | m0nkey_b0y | windows question :) |
| 21:20:31 | m0nkey_b0y | may i? |
| 21:20:39 | BZFrank | sure |
| 21:21:01 | m0nkey_b0y | my freind runs win98...getting an error running bz |
| 21:21:22 | m0nkey_b0y | it says it canot support socket |
| 21:21:32 | ritchie_ | BZFrank: i think its prob due to my isp - i cant access wizards.de so it probs cant send a mail there |
| 21:21:34 | captain_proton | whats the exact error? |
| 21:21:39 | m0nkey_b0y | he had his winsock reinstalled last year |
| 21:21:42 | BZFrank | think so... |
| 21:22:00 | BZFrank | reinstall windows, no joke - win98 needs this every few months |
| 21:22:10 | m0nkey_b0y | openbroadcast: socket type not supported ...and some numbers.. |
| 21:22:14 | captain_proton | tell him to get 98se - much nicer |
| 21:22:17 | m0nkey_b0y | thats what i told him! |
| 21:22:33 | m0nkey_b0y | his stack is screwed i think |
| 21:22:42 | BZFrank | yep |
| 21:22:56 | m0nkey_b0y | ok i tell him...he is dying to play :) |
| 21:22:57 | BZFrank | what network card does he have |
| 21:22:58 | m0nkey_b0y | tnx |
| 21:23:08 | m0nkey_b0y | let me check |
| 21:23:29 | m0nkey_b0y | but funny thing is..it worked fine until someone installed this winsock |
| 21:23:44 | m0nkey_b0y | a network person installed this. |
| 21:24:04 | BZFrank | sure, if you use an win95 winsock on an win98 system it installs but mess up the networking |
| 21:24:18 | captain_proton | i've never heard of anybody installing a new winsock since 3.1 |
| 21:24:43 | BZFrank | oh, some admins never forot the old ways ;) |
| 21:24:59 | captain_proton | seems to me its very easy to screw things up that way |
| 21:25:10 | BZFrank | ritchie: then write your email addess in here |
| 21:25:15 | captain_proton | only thing i might see doing would be to install the ipv6 stack on 2k |
| 21:25:55 | patlabor221 | there was a winsoc update for 95 |
| 21:26:09 | patlabor221 | but all 98's are suposed to have winsock2 |
| 21:26:21 | jacques | ugh this brings back bad memories |
| 21:26:25 | ritchie_ | rpcharlton at blueyonder dot co dot uk |
| 21:26:32 | m0nkey_b0y | ok fellas |
| 21:26:37 | labrat | where does one get winsock2? |
| 21:26:39 | m0nkey_b0y | my freind has joined |
| 21:26:43 | jacques | of screwing with win95 winsock updates to get my games to work |
| 21:26:57 | ritchie_ | thanks BZFrank' |
| 21:27:07 | BZFrank | np |
| 21:27:19 | BZFrank | wait, currently uploading A3... |
| 21:27:27 | BZFrank | only 144kBit upstream |
| 21:27:29 | labrat | the winsock2 that i found at MS says its for win95....i'm running 98 |
| 21:27:31 | captain_proton | A3? |
| 21:27:36 | BZFrank | alpha 3 |
| 21:27:46 | captain_proton | only?! |
| 21:27:46 | captain_proton | kicks BZFrank |
| 21:27:47 | BZFrank | alpha 10 release 3 that is |
| 21:27:56 | patlabor221 | update to win98 se |
| 21:28:05 | patlabor221 | that's the best way to get it |
| 21:28:13 | captain_proton | is this another since you sent me that binary? |
| 21:28:15 | jacques | cant wait for xp sp1 to come out.... NOT |
| 21:28:15 | patlabor221 | or check the ms update site |
| 21:28:16 | BZFrank | hehe, my commercial software is now at 1.55.93 ;) |
| 21:28:34 | m0nkey_b0y | got that labrat? |
| 21:28:39 | labrat | cant seem to find one at ms for 98..?? |
| 21:28:41 | captain_proton | BZFrank: is that PStill? |
| 21:28:49 | BZFrank | yes |
| 21:28:53 | patlabor221 | http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ |
| 21:29:05 | patlabor221 | that should detect you and update you |
| 21:29:35 | jacques | BZFrank: in 2501, does lag help or hurt? |
| 21:29:48 | BZFrank | hurt |
| 21:29:59 | jacques | aah, the way God intended |
| 21:30:12 | bzdoug | lol |
| 21:30:22 | BZFrank | in p2501 deaths are found out locally, not remotely |
| 21:30:38 | bzdoug | lo MrApathyCream |
| 21:30:42 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 21:30:45 | labrat | i get the updates from there weekly...it hasnt seem to help my socket problem |
| 21:31:08 | BZFrank | if the client notice a hit, it tells the server, if the server confirms it it tells the other (hit) party |
| 21:31:26 | BZFrank | if the hitted party refuse to die, it is removed completely ;) |
| 21:31:43 | captain_proton | BZFrank: why not just detect on the server? |
| 21:32:01 | captain_proton | if its confirming, then you need dead reckoning in the server anyways |
| 21:32:15 | BZFrank | because the client must detect it anyway |
| 21:32:31 | captain_proton | ? |
| 21:32:34 | BZFrank | because it can run world locally |
| 21:32:46 | captain_proton | mmm |
| 21:33:06 | jacques | so if client does not detect the hit, the server never gets a chance to implement it |
| 21:33:12 | jacques | ? |
| 21:33:19 | BZFrank | there is no dead reckoning, the server IS a full client on its own with a virtual framerate of 20 fps |
| 21:33:48 | captain_proton | BZFrank: no dead reckoning at all? |
| 21:34:36 | BZFrank | what you call dead reckoning, I call dynamic world state, you just send positions and vectors and the worlds run locally only updated by the messages |
| 21:34:55 | BZFrank | if no messages come in the objects moves according to the world rules |
| 21:35:35 | BZFrank | e.g. gravity or newtonian motion dynamics incl. damping on the ground etc. |
| 21:36:06 | Chestal | BZFrank: you said the server must confirm a kill, but the server will have a slightly different view of the world when compared to the shooter |
| 21:36:06 | captain_proton | makes sense |
| 21:36:09 | BZFrank | in bzflag there is no inteaction between two dynamic objects - so things are easy |
| 21:36:22 | Chestal | BZFrank: so, SHooter might see a hit, but server sees a miss? |
| 21:36:25 | Chestal | and vice versa |
| 21:36:39 | BZFrank | chestal that is possible, so the client is overruled |
| 21:36:57 | Chestal | so, the server decides |
| 21:37:16 | BZFrank | in any case the server decides ;) |
| 21:37:24 | Chestal | and peopel with higher lag are bound to be killed by shots which seemed to safely pass them? |
| 21:37:34 | BZFrank | yes, that is the way |
| 21:37:38 | Chestal | so, people with lower lag have the advantage? |
| 21:38:07 | captain_proton | Chestal: can you write up whatever extra documentation you want on the customization page? |
| 21:38:36 | BZFrank | yes, that will cause the badly lagged people to drop out sooner or later |
| 21:38:37 | Chestal | proton: hmm, does 'write up' mean that I write the full text or that I just tell you what to write? :-) |
| 21:38:40 | BZFrank | :) |
| 21:38:49 | captain_proton | Chestal: full text |
| 21:39:16 | captain_proton | i have other things to be doing - converting the wiki & such |
| 21:39:30 | Chestal | proton: damn, I knew it... well, I cannot do it right now, I'm about to go to bed |
| 21:40:07 | Chestal | BZFrank: I think this is better than the current way, bzflag handles it, although there is a downside, too |
| 21:40:34 | Chestal | BZFrank: I'm wondering, if the disadvatnage of peopel with medium lag (like 100-200ms) is significant |
| 21:40:36 | BZFrank | there is always a downside, still I thought the same |
| 21:41:09 | ritchie_ | cyall |
| 21:41:12 | Chestal | the bzflag 1.7 way, you can dodge shots regardless of your lag |
| 21:41:14 | BZFrank | chestal: no not much, p2501 also extrapolate positions and takes the momentary lag into account for this, updated every three seconds for all connections |
| 21:41:22 | ritchie_ | thanks frank if you could send the file |
| 21:41:40 | BZFrank | ritchie: you got mail |
| 21:41:46 | ritchie_ | nope :-) |
| 21:41:48 | ritchie_ | ill wait |
| 21:41:50 | BZFrank | sorry, its 15 mbyte... ;) |
| 21:41:51 | Chestal | bzfrank: I tried a quick lag compensation hack for 1.7, but it did not work very well, but that might have other reasons |
| 21:41:56 | ritchie_ | for blueyonder to sort it out |
| 21:42:03 | ritchie_ | i have broad band so |
| 21:42:08 | ritchie_ | itwont take long |
| 21:42:12 | Chestal | BZFrank: in theory it shoudl work, as long as lag is near constant (no jitter) |
| 21:42:36 | BZFrank | yes, but the lag in p2501 is much more constant, because there is not tcp/udp mix |
| 21:42:55 | Chestal | hmm, do you project tank positons into the future? |
| 21:43:00 | BZFrank | yes |
| 21:43:01 | ritchie_ | proton / chestal: am doing more work on tournament scripts, will report back when more is done |
| 21:43:31 | Chestal | BZFran: what happens when the projection is wrong? tank would then jump to a different position? or do you try to smooth this transition? |
| 21:43:43 | BZFrank | to a certain degree, if the future position seems unlikely then not |
| 21:43:46 | Chestal | rictchie: any word from Valoche? |
| 21:43:52 | ritchie_ | nope |
| 21:43:59 | ritchie_ | hes not replying to mails afaics |
| 21:44:05 | Chestal | BZFrank: well, just assume a tan kis driving with constant speed |
| 21:44:06 | ritchie_ | maybe my email server |
| 21:44:21 | BZFrank | the projection is not so far, there is a clipping limit to the max. time |
| 21:44:30 | Chestal | BZFRank: lag of 1s, so you wuld like to project its position liek x_p=x+v*1s |
| 21:44:51 | BZFrank | or turns, p2501 are send turn rates for all axes |
| 21:44:58 | ritchie_ | cyall |
| 21:45:01 | ritchie_ | time for bed |
| 21:45:07 | BZFrank | no, the max. extrapolation is 250 ms |
| 21:45:24 | BZFrank | otherwise the projection makes more probems then it solves |
| 21:45:29 | Chestal | hmm, ok, but ij 250ms a tnak is still able to move approximately one tnak length maybe? |
| 21:45:30 | BZFrank | bye ritchie |
| 21:46:22 | BZFrank | then again, any movement changes cause an update, so any difference is soon resolved |
| 21:46:23 | Chestal | I recently tried armagetron, a fast paced tron game, it tries to do different thign about lag |
| 21:46:36 | BZFrank | what does it do? |
| 21:46:37 | Chestal | but IMHO it fails compeltely, I think there must be somethign wrong with its network code |
| 21:46:44 | Chestal | I am not quite sure, it can use projection |
| 21:46:59 | Chestal | and / or draw a zone of possible positions |
| 21:47:15 | Chestal | it's also using somethign called 'ping charity' |
| 21:47:34 | BZFrank | sounds nice but what is it? |
| 21:47:41 | Chestal | it seems to try to distrivute the lag handicap evenly over the players |
| 21:47:49 | Chestal | I am not quite sure |
| 21:48:10 | Chestal | it's a little strange, it often shows liek 50ms even in a local network |
| 21:48:46 | BZFrank | maybe it is store and forward packets after a certain time in the server |
| 21:49:00 | BZFrank | good in theroy, bad in praxis |
| 21:49:05 | captain_proton | ewww |
| 21:49:08 | Chestal | after a long break, there's a new beta version out, much nicer AIs |
| 21:49:20 | Chestal | but its network code seems even more broken to me |
| 21:49:23 | captain_proton | gltron is prettier anyways |
| 21:49:28 | BZFrank | because you really really want to get the movement update as fast as possible to the other side |
| 21:49:39 | captain_proton | even though you have to string two USB keyboards together to get a 4 person game going |
| 21:50:15 | BZFrank | I first thought about using only one packet type, but then it turns out that smaller packets move so much better that the movement updates are now separate |
| 21:51:34 | Chestal | how large is the udp+ip header again? 24 bytes? or more? |
| 21:52:05 | Chestal | btw., do you use DSL? |
| 21:52:08 | BZFrank | I think 24 bytes + payload + 16 checksum |
| 21:52:14 | BZFrank | 2 byte checksum |
| 21:52:21 | BZFrank | yes, dsl |
| 21:52:26 | Chestal | Telekom? |
| 21:52:31 | captain_proton | tcp is the devil |
| 21:52:36 | BZFrank | yep, t-online |
| 21:52:40 | bzdoug | BZFrank: where are you locatied? |
| 21:52:53 | BZFrank | southern germany, near stuttgart |
| 21:53:01 | bzdoug | ooh... |
| 21:53:10 | Chestal | BZFrank: do you know if there is an chance to tell them to not use interleaving? latencies are way too high |
| 21:53:46 | BZFrank | don't think so... |
| 21:54:26 | BZFrank | you can try it but I presume they send you from one hotline to another and the costs for the phone calls would be several 10 euros with nothing achieved |
| 21:55:11 | BZFrank | a movement update is 45 bytes + udp /ip header in p2501, just take a look |
| 21:55:53 | Chestal | what's your data type for coordinates? |
| 21:56:35 | BZFrank | all numbers are fixpoint 4 bytes, so that is x,y,z,dx,dy,dz,dax,day,daz, Uint8 type |
| 21:57:05 | BZFrank | ups forgot the angles x ,y,z |
| 21:57:30 | captain_proton | you do euler angles? ick |
| 21:57:43 | BZFrank | yes, for simplicity |
| 21:58:08 | BZFrank | I know, I know but for this game types these are ok and most easy to debug and visualize |
| 21:58:13 | captain_proton | that depends what you consider simple ;-) |
| 21:59:11 | BZFrank | quaternion are 4 elements btw |
| 21:59:42 | captain_proton | of course |
| 21:59:43 | BZFrank | so euler angles are more compact ;) |
| 22:00:03 | Chestal | hmm, what are Euler angles? |
| 22:00:05 | captain_proton | please at least tell me you only convert to eulers over the wire? =} |
| 22:00:08 | Chestal | never heard of those |
| 22:00:21 | captain_proton | Chestal: n radians on this axis, m on another, ... |
| 22:00:36 | bzdoug | lo Nicole3 |
| 22:00:41 | Chestal | proton: uh, eh, hmm? |
| 22:00:50 | Nicole3 | hello |
| 22:00:53 | BZFrank | no, internally I use them all the time ;) you can change this most easily still, all these are located in one class |
| 22:00:54 | captain_proton | Chestal: express each angle on each axis, gives you an orientation |
| 22:01:01 | BZFrank | hi nicole |
| 22:01:10 | Nicole3 | hi hi |
| 22:01:21 | captain_proton | Chestal: its finicky about what order you apply the angles in, making it a bad system to use for expressing orientation in 3-space |
| 22:01:46 | BZFrank | a bzflag type game only uses one axis most of the time anyway ;) |
| 22:01:52 | captain_proton | right |
| 22:02:04 | Chestal | I think what we need is a 2D-bzflag |
| 22:02:09 | captain_proton | quaternions give me a warm fuzzy feeling though |
| 22:02:15 | BZFrank | play radar only more ;) |
| 22:02:15 | Chestal | could even run in a tty :-9 |
| 22:02:18 | BZFrank | mode |
| 22:02:45 | bzdoug | Chestal: could you do that? |
| 22:03:22 | Chestal | bzdoug: it would be easy, if game logic and visualization would be decoupld, but they are not (completely) |
| 22:03:45 | BZFrank | well, i could do it, but then again - why? ;) |
| 22:03:46 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:04:01 | bzdoug | perfect for ducati |
| 22:04:32 | BZFrank | try radar option '4' in p2501 and turn off world display, presto 2d |
| 22:04:40 | bzdoug | lol |
| 22:04:48 | bzdoug | how? |
| 22:04:57 | bzdoug | I would like to play p2501 on my computer |
| 22:04:58 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 22:05:02 | BZFrank | p2501 can use the main screen for radar |
| 22:05:11 | bzdoug | radar would be faster |
| 22:05:14 | bzdoug | than 3d |
| 22:05:25 | BZFrank | sure ;) |
| 22:05:59 | captain_proton | RAAAAAR |
| 22:07:58 | BZFrank | RAR? |
| 22:08:11 | bzdoug | BZFrank: how do I chnage the game to 2d? |
| 22:08:19 | BZFrank | not at all |
| 22:08:31 | BZFrank | sorry |
| 22:08:36 | bzdoug | the radar? |
| 22:08:41 | BZFrank | get a better gfx card ;) |
| 22:08:48 | bzdoug | hmmmm |
| 22:10:28 | patlabor221 | I think we need text mode BZFlag |
| 22:10:45 | patlabor221 | There is a tank kinda infront of you, fire? (y/n) |
| 22:10:59 | captain_proton | :) |
| 22:11:00 | bzdoug | lol |
| 22:11:02 | bzdoug | haha |
| 22:11:15 | bzdoug | turn based bzflag? |
| 22:11:16 | BZFrank | look tank |
| 22:11:21 | patlabor221 | you are likely to be eaten by a grue, jump? (y/n) |
| 22:11:27 | BZFrank | the tank looks large and nasty |
| 22:11:31 | BZFrank | fire tank |
| 22:11:46 | BZFrank | you fire the tank, however the other player did type faster, you are dead |
| 22:11:56 | BZFrank | score 1 out of 100 play again (y/n) |
| 22:12:06 | bzdoug | Chestal moved to secter 3, captain_proton moved over Chestal, shoot or run away? |
| 22:12:09 | BZFrank | the bzflag textadventure ;) |
| 22:12:13 | bzdoug | lol |
| 22:12:18 | patlabor221 | tournys could be batch files then |
| 22:12:23 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 22:13:47 | BZFrank | captain: how far is the UDP only networking in 1.8, did crs or tim already implemented it? |
| 22:14:16 | captain_proton | BZFrank: uhm |
| 22:14:21 | captain_proton | BZFrank: 'planned' ;-) |
| 22:14:26 | BZFrank | ah |
| 22:14:37 | captain_proton | You are on a field of blocks and pyramids, few alike. |
| 22:14:41 | captain_proton | I see no tank here. |
| 22:14:45 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 22:14:58 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:15:53 | bzdoug | sighs |
| 22:16:11 | bzdoug | I like the p2501 slide show... when is the real one coming out? |
| 22:16:21 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 22:16:31 | BZFrank | as soon as I have resolved these nasty little buggies |
| 22:16:35 | bzdoug | lol |
| 22:16:50 | bzdoug | 1fps is slideshow... |
| 22:16:51 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 22:17:08 | BZFrank | just got it myself, 2 fps |
| 22:17:11 | jacques | does p2501 have deformable terrain? |
| 22:17:14 | bzdoug | haha |
| 22:17:28 | bzdoug | can p2501 tanks drive up ramps? |
| 22:17:34 | BZFrank | jaques, no, you can place hills as object however |
| 22:17:42 | BZFrank | yes, tanks can drive up ramps |
| 22:17:45 | bzdoug | wow |
| 22:17:46 | captain_proton | dents BZFrank's world |
| 22:17:46 | jacques | nod |
| 22:17:59 | patlabor221 | hmmm I could get some eformable terain code :) |
| 22:18:08 | patlabor221 | know i have the source to treadmarks somewhere |
| 22:18:10 | captain_proton | patlabor221: quick! GPL it |
| 22:18:16 | patlabor221 | its not mine |
| 22:18:25 | bzdoug | exactly |
| 22:18:33 | captain_proton | patlabor221: so? ;-) |
| 22:18:34 | patlabor221 | I tink I'm still under NDA too |
| 22:18:41 | bzdoug | NDA? |
| 22:18:42 | jacques | seems like a nuke should do *something* to the terrain :-) |
| 22:18:48 | patlabor221 | non disclsure agreeement |
| 22:18:49 | BZFrank | non disclosure agreement |
| 22:18:52 | bzdoug | ah |
| 22:18:57 | patlabor221 | even tho the company who made it sucks |
| 22:19:07 | patlabor221 | wouldn't know a good game if it bit em in the ass |
| 22:19:17 | bzdoug | jacques, it creates a BIG hole in the ground |
| 22:19:26 | BZFrank | jaques - I had a version where a nuke did blow away buildings but this lease such a mess on the game field ;) |
| 22:19:39 | bzdoug | BZFrank: have that as an option????/ |
| 22:19:46 | bzdoug | that would be cool to see |
| 22:19:52 | BZFrank | scratch/explosion marks is an option however |
| 22:19:59 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 22:20:03 | BZFrank | just a black spot in the grass ;) |
| 22:20:14 | bzdoug | hmmm |
| 22:20:23 | bzdoug | radiation poisening... |
| 22:20:28 | BZFrank | the nuke already blows away things and tanks |
| 22:20:44 | bzdoug | do tanks bob around when hit? |
| 22:20:57 | jacques | a nuke is not something which should be taken lightly - of *course* it will leave a mess :-D |
| 22:20:58 | BZFrank | (that means it gives them a vector away from the explosion center depending on their distance |
| 22:21:06 | bzdoug | haha |
| 22:21:15 | captain_proton | BZFrank: i didn't see the nuke vaporize the banana |
| 22:21:17 | BZFrank | *grin* |
| 22:21:23 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 22:21:30 | patlabor221 | the bottle should fall over |
| 22:21:35 | BZFrank | no things are eternal so is the berr bottle ;) |
| 22:21:36 | jacques | do tanks jump in p2501? |
| 22:21:38 | BZFrank | beer bottle |
| 22:21:39 | bzdoug | it would crack |
| 22:21:42 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 22:21:52 | captain_proton | jacques: yeah |
| 22:21:54 | BZFrank | yes, by thruster |
| 22:21:56 | jacques | imagine the rocket jump you could get with a nuke! |
| 22:22:04 | jacques | wheeeee! |
| 22:22:04 | bzdoug | MUAHAHA |
| 22:22:14 | bzdoug | of corse it would be a one way trip... |
| 22:22:17 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 22:22:20 | BZFrank | well, there is a thurster flag in p2501 already jsut load the testworld to get access to them |
| 22:22:32 | jacques | wow I wish I was at home |
| 22:22:36 | BZFrank | it makes you fly in a joust style |
| 22:22:39 | jacques | i HAVE to try that |
| 22:22:42 | bzdoug | I gonna see that slide show... |
| 22:22:52 | BZFrank | also the railgun is *well* nice ;) |
| 22:23:09 | patlabor221 | frank you have a map editor yet? |
| 22:23:21 | BZFrank | no, the cleint will be the map editor later |
| 22:23:35 | patlabor221 | ick, never liked those |
| 22:23:35 | jacques | can you snipe pilots and steal their tank? |
| 22:23:39 | jacques | :-D |
| 22:23:55 | BZFrank | you'll get cursor where to place elements or remove them and you drive around in the world to build it ;) |
| 22:24:03 | BZFrank | no, no sniping yet ;) |
| 22:24:10 | patlabor221 | hmmm proalby wouldn't be to hard to modify my BZ ed to make it take your ents |
| 22:24:23 | patlabor221 | or at least my "other" bzed |
| 22:24:26 | BZFrank | no, should be no problem I think |
| 22:24:40 | BZFrank | see testworld.wrld , it is most easy |
| 22:24:42 | patlabor221 | I made one that was entirely plugin based |
| 22:24:52 | patlabor221 | all the ents were loaded form DLLs |
| 22:25:02 | BZFrank | at least for the wallstrips |
| 22:25:03 | captain_proton | patlabor221: i still have yet to see this |
| 22:25:21 | patlabor221 | and each ent knen how to drawiteslf and save itself |
| 22:25:31 | patlabor221 | cap: I have no way to make it complie under linux |
| 22:25:43 | bzdoug | yells duh |
| 22:25:44 | BZFrank | just take the model class out of p2501, it is most independent |
| 22:25:50 | patlabor221 | I don't even know how I would do what I did in linux |
| 22:25:51 | bzdoug | I was running at max res... |
| 22:25:53 | BZFrank | it know how to draw itself |
| 22:25:56 | bzdoug | let me try 640 res |
| 22:26:00 | captain_proton | patlabor221: could i see the code? |
| 22:26:08 | patlabor221 | sure i'ts here somewereh |
| 22:26:17 | patlabor221 | pulls out the spelunking helmet |
| 22:26:28 | captain_proton | see BZFrank? some people -share- their code <grins> |
| 22:26:46 | BZFrank | see captain, some people keep their code ;) ;) |
| 22:27:42 | BZFrank | still there will be a release but not of the unfinished versions |
| 22:27:57 | patlabor221 | gotta do a searhc |
| 22:28:03 | bzdoug | BZFrank: nope |
| 22:28:11 | bzdoug | lowering the res dont help |
| 22:28:19 | bzdoug | it still raises the resolution... |
| 22:28:21 | BZFrank | I expect some of you not to like it, my personal style is more ObjC alike |
| 22:28:31 | patlabor221 | cap: the basic idea was that I had a manager that loaded DLLs and called a fucntion in each one that registerd a series of classes for the ents. |
| 22:28:40 | captain_proton | BZFrank is a cathedral builder :) |
| 22:28:47 | bzdoug | BZFrank is it possible to ran p2501 in a lower res? |
| 22:28:56 | bzdoug | ran/run |
| 22:28:59 | BZFrank | bzdoug, did you try creating a bat script with "project2501.exe -inwindow" inside and run this instead? |
| 22:29:05 | bzdoug | nope |
| 22:29:09 | bzdoug | let me try |
| 22:29:12 | patlabor221 | lower then 640? |
| 22:29:17 | bzdoug | -16bit? |
| 22:29:23 | patlabor221 | what you want mode x? |
| 22:29:36 | bzdoug | I want 640 |
| 22:29:38 | bzdoug | res |
| 22:29:40 | BZFrank | bzdoug, in therory yes, but each resoltution needs its own hud bitmap as I was too lazy for now |
| 22:29:49 | bzdoug | oh |
| 22:29:53 | bzdoug | I dont want a hud |
| 22:30:04 | bzdoug | I just want to see the pictures... |
| 22:30:25 | BZFrank | ...and no slide show... |
| 22:30:30 | bzdoug | yea |
| 22:30:46 | bzdoug | I want it playable |
| 22:30:55 | bzdoug | I dont want to see the hud |
| 22:31:01 | BZFrank | I understand that, but your i810 is a problematic gfx adapter, more a southbridge than gfx ;) |
| 22:31:07 | patlabor221 | gahhh cap: I'll have to work out the code, I changed the texture manager and never updated this code to use it |
| 22:31:11 | patlabor221 | it won't run |
| 22:31:11 | bzdoug | yea |
| 22:31:16 | patlabor221 | you still want it? |
| 22:31:19 | bzdoug | but its not the card |
| 22:31:24 | bzdoug | its running off software.. |
| 22:31:26 | bzdoug | :( |
| 22:31:34 | bzdoug | if only I could get the card to run |
| 22:31:42 | patlabor221 | doug is this one your 810? |
| 22:31:45 | bzdoug | it would get atleast 5 FPS |
| 22:31:52 | bzdoug | patlabor221 yea |
| 22:32:02 | patlabor221 | I don't think that had a hardware GL implementaion |
| 22:32:07 | bzdoug | ooohhh |
| 22:32:11 | bzdoug | thats why... |
| 22:32:13 | patlabor221 | hence no hardware |
| 22:32:20 | patlabor221 | I told you that yesterday |
| 22:32:22 | BZFrank | no use with less than 20 fps I think, a p2501 is quite texutre intensive |
| 22:32:28 | bzdoug | yah |
| 22:32:36 | bzdoug | patlabor221: your welcome to donate one... |
| 22:32:42 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 22:32:51 | bzdoug | -inwindows works |
| 22:32:55 | bzdoug | but I cant see the screen |
| 22:33:04 | BZFrank | ? |
| 22:33:06 | patlabor221 | it looks like I will be able to make cheap game systems and sell them direct |
| 22:33:07 | bzdoug | only the bottom left of the screen |
| 22:33:14 | captain_proton | patlabor221: yeah, sure |
| 22:33:17 | bzdoug | patlabor221: good, ;) |
| 22:33:17 | captain_proton | patlabor221: running code is overrated ;) |
| 22:33:33 | BZFrank | it sizes the window to 1024x768, you desktop resolution must be at least this |
| 22:33:34 | patlabor221 | well actualy this is not even the right code |
| 22:33:37 | captain_proton | argg |
| 22:33:38 | bzdoug | oh |
| 22:33:40 | bzdoug | brb |
| 22:33:46 | patlabor221 | it's an older one, I think I know where the new one is |
| 22:34:01 | bzdoug | ok |
| 22:34:55 | BZFrank | beter? |
| 22:34:58 | BZFrank | better? |
| 22:35:03 | bzdoug | nope |
| 22:35:06 | bzdoug | .9 FPS |
| 22:35:07 | captain_proton | anybody know where to find error logs from sourceforge web hosting? |
| 22:35:20 | BZFrank | oh, still software then |
| 22:35:26 | bzdoug | yup |
| 22:35:38 | BZFrank | try -inwindow -16bit combined |
| 22:35:48 | BZFrank | and set your desktop to 16 bit |
| 22:35:49 | bzdoug | I did |
| 22:35:52 | bzdoug | yup |
| 22:36:01 | bzdoug | still software... |
| 22:36:04 | bzdoug | :( |
| 22:36:08 | BZFrank | ok, sorry then |
| 22:36:14 | bzdoug | bah... |
| 22:36:16 | BZFrank | nothing I can do |
| 22:36:31 | bzdoug | you can get the OS X version out... ;) hehehe |
| 22:36:36 | bzdoug | :P |
| 22:36:46 | bzdoug | then I will beat you all at FPS |
| 22:36:50 | bzdoug | haha |
| 22:36:53 | BZFrank | except getting the MacOSX version of course ;) |
| 22:37:03 | bzdoug | erk |
| 22:37:20 | bzdoug | how long would it take? after you finish linux? |
| 22:37:54 | BZFrank | yes |
| 22:38:02 | bzdoug | yea, but how long... |
| 22:38:06 | bzdoug | one day? |
| 22:38:10 | bzdoug | two days? |
| 22:38:16 | bzdoug | a month? |
| 22:38:19 | patlabor221 | ok cap: found what I think is it |
| 22:38:21 | bzdoug | a year? |
| 22:38:23 | patlabor221 | uploading it now |
| 22:38:28 | bzdoug | a lifetime????? |
| 22:38:32 | BZFrank | I can't tell, depends on my daily (paid) work load |
| 22:38:37 | bzdoug | oh |
| 22:38:37 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 22:38:40 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:38:51 | BZFrank | within 6 month is realisitc, most likely sooner ;) |
| 22:38:58 | bzdoug | oh? |
| 22:39:02 | bzdoug | that long.... |
| 22:39:06 | bzdoug | sighs |
| 22:39:21 | bzdoug | what do you have to do to it to make it run on OS X? |
| 22:39:24 | BZFrank | first I will give Captain his Linux version ;) |
| 22:39:29 | bzdoug | ha |
| 22:39:30 | captain_proton | grins |
| 22:39:36 | bzdoug | frowns |
| 22:39:42 | BZFrank | recompile it and all used libs as soon as the linux version works |
| 22:39:55 | bzdoug | thats it? |
| 22:40:00 | patlabor221 | wonders why it's 9 megs of code |
| 22:40:04 | BZFrank | will be mostly the same setup, except for a few defines |
| 22:40:15 | bzdoug | then why does it take so long to get one out? |
| 22:40:22 | BZFrank | it is 15 MByte grafics |
| 22:40:31 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 22:40:38 | BZFrank | because you want a defined date and I cannot tell yet ;) |
| 22:40:49 | bzdoug | erk |
| 22:40:54 | bzdoug | ok then |
| 22:40:56 | bzdoug | I shall wait |
| 22:41:19 | bzdoug | jzaun... |
| 22:41:25 | patlabor221 | ahhh, I left the debug stuff in there, ton of data :) |
| 22:41:43 | jzaun | hello |
| 22:41:46 | BZFrank | pat: 45316 lines code in total |
| 22:41:55 | BZFrank | that is p2501 |
| 22:41:56 | bzdoug | whistles |
| 22:42:09 | patlabor221 | ohh no I'm sorry I'm talking about the code I am trying to upload for cap |
| 22:42:17 | BZFrank | oh, sorry ;) |
| 22:42:23 | patlabor221 | for the plugin based editor I never finished |
| 22:42:32 | patlabor221 | I ziped the folder and it was 9 megs |
| 22:42:33 | jzaun | bzdoug: Actually, when "jzaun" is said in a chat, I do hear a whistle :-) |
| 22:42:48 | bzdoug | cool |
| 22:43:29 | patlabor221 | cap: http://www.artemisgaems.com/code/newent.zip |
| 22:43:36 | patlabor221 | that's as far as I got on it |
| 22:43:49 | bzdoug | jzaun: whistle while you work... |
| 22:43:53 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 22:43:54 | captain_proton | wgets |
| 22:44:31 | captain_proton | that's artemis-games- ;) |
| 22:44:36 | jzaun | hehe... its actually the StarTrek whislte thats used when a high-profile guest comes aboard the ship |
| 22:44:47 | jzaun | I got a startrek sound theme going :-) |
| 22:44:49 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 22:44:57 | bzdoug | lol |
| 22:45:05 | captain_proton | jzaun: haha nice |
| 22:45:23 | jzaun | When someone /msg's me I hear the "Hail" sound |
| 22:45:53 | jzaun | captain_proton: There hasn't been a cvs commit in awhile... any coming soon? |
| 22:45:55 | jzaun | :-D |
| 22:46:05 | captain_proton | jzaun: working on the web site at the moment |
| 22:48:54 | jacques | does / will p2501 have weather / fog / water ? |
| 22:49:20 | bzdoug | tornados? |
| 22:49:25 | jacques | ooooh |
| 22:49:31 | jacques | lightning |
| 22:49:35 | jzaun | Typhoon? |
| 22:49:35 | bzdoug | hurricanes? |
| 22:49:36 | jacques | like in tribed2 |
| 22:49:49 | jzaun | Hail - could cause damage :-) |
| 22:49:49 | bzdoug | blackholes? |
| 22:49:59 | bzdoug | wormholes? |
| 22:49:59 | jacques | point singularity weapons? |
| 22:50:12 | BZFrank | no, only fog banks ;) |
| 22:50:19 | bzdoug | ICBM missles? |
| 22:50:24 | captain_proton | haHA! |
| 22:50:28 | captain_proton | bzflag has rain! beat that! |
| 22:50:38 | bzdoug | captain_proton: it dont have fog |
| 22:50:39 | BZFrank | who needs rain ;) |
| 22:50:46 | jacques | snow that collects? |
| 22:50:46 | bzdoug | fog would be cool in bzflag |
| 22:50:48 | jzaun | captain_proton: Does is come on randomlly yet?? :-P |
| 22:50:50 | bzdoug | oooh |
| 22:50:51 | bzdoug | snow? |
| 22:50:53 | captain_proton | bzdoug: technically mine does, just no way to -use- it |
| 22:50:55 | jacques | you could stop and snow would cover you |
| 22:50:55 | captain_proton | :) |
| 22:50:57 | BZFrank | p2501 can have any theme, even a space one - beat that ;) |
| 22:51:01 | jacques | for camo |
| 22:51:04 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 22:51:11 | captain_proton | BZFrank: you can replace the textures in data/ |
| 22:51:24 | bzdoug | goat feathers, I have to go |
| 22:51:27 | BZFrank | sure |
| 22:51:46 | BZFrank | still the ground is green and the clouds are there ;) so :P |
| 22:51:58 | bzdoug | heh |
| 22:52:59 | jacques | do clouds cast shadows on the ground? |
| 22:53:29 | jacques | captain_proton: last night on moon I was jumping almost into the cloud layer |
| 22:54:37 | patlabor221 | time to play some games |
| 22:54:37 | captain_proton | jzaun: clouds don't cast shadows in 1.8, but thats because shadows don't exist in 1.8 |
| 22:55:04 | captain_proton | BZFrank: those are fixed by changing the model files slightly |
| 22:55:59 | jzaun | captain_proton: Any word on the new shape types (ramps, etc.)? |
| 22:56:22 | captain_proton | jzaun: hmm, models are supported, loading them into the world is not |
| 22:56:31 | jacques | heh |
| 22:56:54 | jzaun | captain_proton: so you'll have that working tonight? |
| 22:57:02 | captain_proton | jzaun: ;) |
| 22:57:10 | jzaun | ooh... thats a yes :-) |
| 22:57:13 | jzaun | :-) |
| 22:57:15 | jzaun | :-) |
| 22:57:16 | jzaun | :-) |
| 22:59:14 | captain_proton | is away: getting beat up |
| 22:59:42 | BZFrank | is away to -> sleep |
| 23:00:25 | BZFrank | later |
