| 00:12:55 | doughecka | lo Patlabor221 |
| 00:13:02 | Patlabor221 | hey |
| 00:27:22 | Widget | Does anyone know how to set up a Channel forwarding? |
| 00:27:31 | doughecka | um |
| 00:27:47 | doughecka | openprojects.net has some info on how to do it |
| 00:29:24 | Widget | Damn. Only OPN staff can set up forwarding? |
| 00:29:30 | Skipp | hey widget |
| 00:29:32 | doughecka | I think |
| 00:29:36 | Widget | Hi, Skipp. |
| 00:29:55 | Widget | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 00:29:56 | bzbot | Red: 3 players, score: 8 | Green: 4 players, score: -8 | |
| 00:30:07 | Skipp | i was just on there |
| 00:30:28 | Skipp | stayed there for over 2 minuters too |
| 00:30:37 | doughecka | hehe |
| 00:30:52 | Skipp | can't spell minutes |
| 00:31:22 | doughecka | poof, there goes IE again |
| 00:45:57 | kheb | is away: I'm busy |
| 01:39:23 | Widget | Eep. |
| 01:39:28 | Widget | Server unexpectedly quit. |
| 01:39:29 | Skipp | hey |
| 01:39:35 | Widget | Baaaaaaaaaaad server. |
| 01:39:37 | doughecka | Eep? |
| 01:39:41 | Widget | Bad! |
| 01:39:47 | | server is, like, turkey moongroup, i hope one of u is it's admins |
| 01:39:47 | doughecka | what server? |
| 01:39:49 | Skipp | goodnight everyone |
| 01:39:59 | Skipp | i am going to bed |
| 01:40:01 | doughecka | cya Skipp |
| 01:40:04 | Skipp | bye |
| 01:40:05 | Widget | Goodnight. |
| 01:40:10 | Widget | What time is it in America? |
| 01:40:15 | doughecka | 10:45 |
| 01:40:17 | doughecka | EST |
| 01:40:27 | Widget | Hm.... that's late. |
| 01:40:33 | doughecka | yuo |
| 01:40:34 | Widget | And it's still Tuesday? |
| 01:40:35 | doughecka | yup |
| 01:40:37 | doughecka | um |
| 01:40:38 | doughecka | yea |
| 01:40:47 | Widget | Hm. |
| 01:41:32 | Patlabor221 | It's tuesday???!?!?!?!?! |
| 01:41:46 | doughecka | yup |
| 01:41:59 | Widget | Well, in America it still is. |
| 01:42:23 | Widget | What time is it in Rio de Janeiro, I wonder? |
| 01:42:34 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:42:48 | Widget | Probably midnight. |
| 01:43:00 | Widget | Or 12:48. |
| 01:43:07 | Widget | No. |
| 01:43:11 | doughecka | heh |
| 01:43:53 | Widget | In São Paolo, it is currently 11:49. |
| 01:51:57 | ski | what time is it there widget? |
| 01:53:06 | ski | well, 11:00pm est here so,, im goin to bed... |
| 01:53:10 | ski | cya later all |
| 01:53:14 | doughecka | cya |
| 02:19:37 | NonToxic | hi all... i'm the moron who wanted to port BZF to DC :) |
| 02:20:33 | NonToxic | anyone alive here? |
| 02:20:51 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 02:20:54 | Patlabor221 | all undead |
| 02:20:55 | NonToxic | :) |
| 02:20:59 | Patlabor221 | brainnnnnnnnssssss |
| 02:44:30 | captain_proton | ahoy |
| 02:44:39 | NonToxic | y0 |
| 02:45:09 | kheb | is back (gone 01:59:12) |
| 02:46:22 | captain_proton | whos up for some testing? |
| 02:46:26 | NonToxic | i is!! |
| 02:46:28 | NonToxic | i is!! |
| 02:46:39 | NonToxic | ready to cmpoile something at a moment's notice!! |
| 02:46:57 | NonToxic | captain_proton pick me pick ME!!! lol |
| 02:47:10 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/bigone.diff |
| 02:47:23 | captain_proton | apply to current 1.8 cvs, run a server, connect with a client, and give me the console output |
| 02:47:27 | captain_proton | (i can't run anything atm) |
| 02:47:36 | NonToxic | um ok |
| 02:47:46 | NonToxic | do I get to play vs. someone? |
| 02:48:15 | captain_proton | no |
| 02:48:21 | captain_proton | i just need the output from when it connects |
| 02:48:33 | captain_proton | and its important that the server is from the patched code |
| 02:52:13 | NonToxic | ok |
| 02:52:23 | NonToxic | what does this patch do? |
| 02:53:47 | captain_proton | well, a variety of things, but most importantly it gets all the game parameters (gravity, etc) from the server |
| 02:53:53 | NonToxic | hrm. |
| 02:54:13 | NonToxic | any way to save the output to a file? |
| 02:54:26 | captain_proton | bin/bzflag >&file |
| 02:54:31 | captain_proton | on *nix anyhoo |
| 02:54:37 | NonToxic | k |
| 02:54:45 | NonToxic | oh. |
| 02:54:53 | NonToxic | i thought you meant on-screen displayed in-game console. |
| 02:55:01 | NonToxic | compiles |
| 02:55:08 | Patlabor221 | bzflag.exe ->logfile.txt on windows |
| 02:55:15 | NonToxic | bye jacques |
| 02:55:25 | NonToxic | is on linux :) |
| 02:56:10 | captain_proton | sup Patlabor221 |
| 02:56:22 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 02:56:33 | Patlabor221 | when did hardware get so cheap? |
| 02:56:58 | NonToxic | since I bot my new PC :) |
| 02:57:01 | captain_proton | depends what hardware you're talking about |
| 02:57:08 | captain_proton | the stuff i want isn't cheap |
| 02:57:26 | Patlabor221 | just looking at componet costs for little machiens to sell to my frineds |
| 02:57:39 | captain_proton | yes yes |
| 02:58:01 | Patlabor221 | basivly I'm lookin at 270 for all the parts for a liggle giger durron wiht 512 and a GF2 |
| 02:58:37 | captain_proton | sounds about right |
| 02:59:16 | Patlabor221 | just wish I could find a place that would sell to me in bulk |
| 02:59:47 | NonToxic | [1]+ Segmentation fault bin/bzfs |
| 02:59:53 | NonToxic | there's your answer proton |
| 03:00:02 | captain_proton | ergg |
| 03:00:06 | captain_proton | any console output from bzfs? |
| 03:00:20 | NonToxic | hold on |
| 03:00:55 | NonToxic | sending MsgSetVar |
| 03:00:55 | NonToxic | name = _gravity |
| 03:00:55 | NonToxic | value = -9.8 |
| 03:01:04 | NonToxic | loaded bmetal |
| 03:01:04 | NonToxic | loaded logo |
| 03:01:04 | NonToxic | loaded flage |
| 03:01:04 | NonToxic | got MsgSetVar |
| 03:01:05 | NonToxic | name = _gravity |
| 03:01:05 | NonToxic | value = -9.8øXZ |
| 03:02:10 | captain_proton | ok, good =D |
| 03:04:23 | captain_proton | i'll have a fixed patch soon (i think) |
| 03:04:43 | NonToxic | k |
| 03:05:43 | captain_proton | reverse apply that patch |
| 03:06:12 | captain_proton | then redownload it |
| 03:06:59 | NonToxic | GEH. |
| 03:07:00 | NonToxic | heh |
| 03:07:43 | NonToxic | btw |
| 03:07:47 | NonToxic | i can't get it to apply cleanly |
| 03:07:52 | NonToxic | i cd bzflag |
| 03:08:01 | NonToxic | i patch < ../bigone.diff |
| 03:08:04 | NonToxic | and it doesn't go. |
| 03:08:16 | NonToxic | i have to type in names by hand. |
| 03:08:27 | captain_proton | patch -p1 < ../bigone.diff ? |
| 03:08:43 | captain_proton | (and did you reverse it first? it needs a clean tree) |
| 03:09:25 | BZFlag | you want a -p<n>, try -p0 first, then -p1 etc. |
| 03:09:25 | NonToxic | yeah |
| 03:09:26 | NonToxic | ho well |
| 03:09:30 | NonToxic | i'm going to go to sleep. |
| 03:09:32 | NonToxic | -p0? |
| 03:09:39 | BZFlag | yeah. |
| 03:09:52 | NonToxic | smacks himself and tries one more time to make it go |
| 03:23:35 | captain_proton | wonders if its going |
| 03:29:58 | captain_proton | ok, who else wants to test this? |
| 03:37:56 | blair | prottty |
| 03:38:54 | captain_proton | nooooooooooooom |
| 03:39:11 | captain_proton | you can't complain anymore |
| 03:39:18 | blair | oh, i can komplain |
| 03:39:24 | captain_proton | nope |
| 03:39:27 | blair | and blame and blame! |
| 03:39:27 | captain_proton | pwr is in |
| 03:39:30 | blair | its all the same! |
| 03:39:33 | blair | really! |
| 03:39:36 | blair | booooyah. |
| 03:39:54 | blair | did you hack it up to work correctly? |
| 03:39:59 | blair | or did it work as it was? |
| 03:39:59 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 03:40:03 | captain_proton | it sorta worked |
| 03:40:38 | captain_proton | there were inf+1 float->int warnings, and the way it integrated with the xml files was bad (couldn't tell what it was for with the syntax you used) |
| 03:40:52 | captain_proton | color still needs to be configurable, but its a low priority |
| 03:41:15 | blair | i see, yeah, float->int warn cuz i prolly didn't know too much about ogl, or didn't care ;) |
| 03:41:20 | blair | so you are telling me |
| 03:41:23 | blair | i check this thing out |
| 03:41:25 | blair | and kaboom |
| 03:41:56 | captain_proton | glVertexi->int (see the i?), glVertexf->float (see the f?) |
| 03:42:18 | blair | yeah, i got it like months back |
| 03:42:20 | blair | um |
| 03:42:28 | blair | bzflag.cvs.sourceforge.net? |
| 03:42:31 | blair | /home/cvsroot? |
| 03:42:37 | captain_proton | cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag |
| 03:42:49 | blair | oh goody |
| 03:42:57 | blair | i hope i don't get addicted again to this damn game |
| 03:43:01 | captain_proton | bwahahaha |
| 03:43:10 | captain_proton | you can run, but you can't hide |
| 03:43:28 | blair | lets just dispense with formalities and get down to business. |
| 03:43:40 | captain_proton | business? |
| 03:43:53 | blair | this thing better kompil. |
| 03:44:07 | captain_proton | of course it will compile |
| 03:44:21 | captain_proton | however, if you happen to have gcc 3.x, it won't run ;) |
| 03:44:28 | blair | should i use AFS? |
| 03:44:42 | captain_proton | AFS? |
| 03:44:55 | blair | know of any filesystems for linux where i could, say, in my school have one logical disk across, say, those 10gig scsi on each machine? |
| 03:45:00 | BZFlag | andrew file system? |
| 03:45:05 | captain_proton | coda |
| 03:45:06 | blair | yeah, any experience? |
| 03:45:22 | BZFlag | sure, have friends at cmu |
| 03:45:28 | blair | ah |
| 03:45:37 | blair | cmu seems to come out with some dope. |
| 03:45:46 | blair | me be a pirate, me like SML |
| 03:45:47 | | OK, BZFlag. |
| 03:45:47 | BZFlag | ibot afs is Andrew FileSystem |
| 03:45:59 | blair | is coda better? |
| 03:46:08 | BZFlag | better is relative. |
| 03:46:10 | captain_proton | never used it - i just like the name ;) |
| 03:46:12 | blair | i've read about afs in some dist. textbooks, but never tried |
| 03:46:17 | blair | guess its time to find out! |
| 03:46:23 | blair | heh |
| 03:46:43 | BZFlag | what do you expect to happen if one of the several machines is down? |
| 03:47:33 | captain_proton | a message: "You mean I get blown up? -bits- of you do" |
| 03:47:40 | blair | they don't usually go down, but i would hope files would be replicated at least in one other place |
| 03:48:39 | blair | my school seems to like mounting one filesystem from everywhere, then kludging the supercomputer disk nfsed to personal workstations... its weird go! |
| 03:49:11 | blair | proton, how to get my shooter panel? |
| 03:49:24 | captain_proton | shooter panel? |
| 03:49:59 | blair | my patch, how! |
| 03:50:15 | captain_proton | define shooter panel - you mean shot indicator? |
| 03:50:42 | blair | yessir |
| 03:51:26 | blair | cmon, respond |
| 03:51:30 | captain_proton | it should be there by default - check to see that displayPWR is toggled on |
| 03:52:41 | BZFlag | if they are up most of the time and nfs is already there, why not stick to nfs? |
| 03:53:15 | blair | cuz they gave me root on a machine and that conflicts with security policy. |
| 03:53:32 | blair | also, their nfs server goes down, and is dog slow. |
| 03:53:36 | captain_proton | damn - if you had come up with this before i coulda told the nfs people what you needed |
| 03:53:38 | Widget | Salvete, omnes. |
| 03:53:46 | blair | salu |
| 03:54:23 | blair | ok thats real pertty proton, now i will never play this damned game again. |
| 03:54:30 | captain_proton | haha |
| 03:58:59 | captain_proton | BZFlag: what do you say about using cURL for list server stuff? |
| 03:59:54 | captain_proton | 'lo MrApathyCream |
| 04:00:21 | Widget | Cheater on ducati. |
| 04:00:23 | Widget | Port 5155. |
| 04:01:09 | | Howdy Bub |
| 04:01:09 | Widget | Hello? |
| 04:01:11 | Widget | captain_proton: Helloooooo!?!? |
| 04:01:14 | jpablo | pfft. |
| 04:01:21 | | well, the password is perl -e 'print crypt("somerandompassword","somerandomsalt") . "n";' |
| 04:01:21 | Widget | jpablo: Do you know the password? |
| 04:01:25 | Widget | jpablo: Come to the server. |
| 04:01:26 | jpablo | no. |
| 04:01:57 | jpablo | why ? there's a cheater ! :-P |
| 04:02:51 | captain_proton | Widget: i can't play at all |
| 04:07:04 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 04:07:51 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: don't suppose you could run some code for me? |
| 04:08:38 | BZFlag | cURL? |
| 04:09:07 | | BZFlag: I forgot password |
| 04:09:07 | BZFlag | ibot forget the password |
| 04:09:16 | captain_proton | curl.haxx.se |
| 04:11:17 | captain_proton | it does proxies, redirects, etc |
| 04:15:44 | captain_proton | i'd like to see statusbars and stuff too - so instead of just waiting at a blank screen, it could say 'retrieving server list' and have a progress bar marching along |
| 04:18:28 | MrApathyCream | cappy, what code |
| 04:19:21 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/bigone.diff |
| 04:19:28 | captain_proton | need console output from connect |
| 04:22:01 | BZFlag | captain_proton: not much of a progress bar though. dns lookup, then request and reply, then perhaps a redirect, ... repeat. |
| 04:22:42 | BZFlag | so what would the progres bar do? dns/reply/connect/query/reply I suppose and restart on redirects? |
| 04:23:24 | captain_proton | true, but it would give some indication of progress |
| 04:24:12 | MrApathyCream | repeat after me,... std::cout, std::cout, std::cout |
| 04:24:40 | captain_proton | hah |
| 04:24:43 | captain_proton | they're all temporary |
| 04:26:13 | MrApathyCream | bzfs crash |
| 04:33:20 | MrApathyCream | delete[] (char*) bufStart; |
| 04:33:25 | MrApathyCream | in addPlayer (corrupt heap) |
| 04:33:33 | MrApathyCream | ----ah, dang he left... hooser |
| 05:03:21 | captain_proton | eek |
| 05:03:29 | captain_proton | server i'm ircing from kept going down |
| 05:03:34 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: have a new patch soon |
| 05:10:21 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: ok, http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/bigone.diff |
| 05:16:46 | captain_proton | MAC COME BACK! |
| 05:22:13 | captain_proton | woohoo |
| 05:22:17 | captain_proton | crs lubs my idea =) |
| 05:40:42 | iLLf8d | hmmm |
| 05:40:48 | iLLf8d | my field isn't showing in the list |
| 05:41:19 | iLLf8d | oh my addy changed |
| 05:50:12 | captain_proton | MrA: new patch, same location |
| 05:50:16 | captain_proton | should have fixed all the issues you found |
| 06:08:42 | BZFlag | captain_proton: what's the idea crs loves? |
| 06:09:21 | captain_proton | BZFlag: adding expression evaluation into bzdb (for constants) |
| 06:09:59 | captain_proton | for instance, _jumpVelocity = 2 * $_gravity |
| 06:11:57 | BZFlag | hmm. |
| 06:12:54 | BZFlag | sees recursion coming down the pike. |
| 06:13:26 | captain_proton | for now it wouldn't handle nested expressions (a = b, b = a) |
| 06:13:47 | captain_proton | but thats not hard to add, so long as you keep a variable stack |
| 06:19:21 | captain_proton | is off to get some food |
| 06:46:58 | captain_proton | ho hum |
| 09:23:09 | ritchie_ | anyone know if valoche is around/ |
| 09:23:09 | ritchie_ | ? |
| 09:25:51 | Chestal | hi ritchie |
| 09:26:01 | ritchie_ | hiya |
| 09:26:08 | ritchie_ | http://rpcharlton.d2g.com/bzctf/tournament/viewtourn.php?rounds=6&srounds=6 |
| 09:26:17 | ritchie_ | can you see whether that views well in your browser |
| 09:26:23 | ritchie_ | this is for the ctf league site |
| 09:26:29 | ritchie_ | ive created a php script to generate |
| 09:26:32 | ritchie_ | a tournament |
| 09:26:34 | ritchie_ | tree |
| 09:27:15 | Chestal | works ok in galeon, fonts are a little small IMHO |
| 09:27:20 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 09:27:26 | ritchie_ | the prob with big fonts |
| 09:27:34 | ritchie_ | is that the size of the tree is huge |
| 09:27:55 | ritchie_ | as it is big I have added functionality so you can just choose to see the last 8 or whatever |
| 09:28:09 | ritchie_ | rounds is the total number or rounds |
| 09:28:15 | ritchie_ | srounds is the number of rounds to show |
| 09:28:20 | ritchie_ | so we would have a link to |
| 09:28:20 | ritchie_ | say |
| 09:28:23 | ritchie_ | see whole tree |
| 09:28:32 | ritchie_ | and one for last 8 |
| 09:28:36 | ritchie_ | for semis etc |
| 09:29:43 | ritchie_ | the script is quite easy once you realise what is going on |
| 09:29:58 | ritchie_ | shall i send it to you? |
| 09:30:25 | Chestal | I'm just wondering if an elimination graph like this will ever apply to some tournament we do in bz |
| 09:30:47 | ritchie_ | would that not be the idea of the tournament? |
| 09:30:52 | Chestal | currently we're using the ratign system with challenges, and not too many teams are playing |
| 09:31:12 | Chestal | if we woudl try to organize a tournament liek this, it would be even harder to organzie I think |
| 09:31:37 | ritchie_ | imho the opposite |
| 09:31:58 | ritchie_ | the reason we haven't been playing (compsoc) is that we are being a bit apathetic |
| 09:32:06 | ritchie_ | and we feel its another match vs the same ppl |
| 09:32:13 | ritchie_ | if there was a tournament |
| 09:32:29 | Chestal | hmm, my team is always very motivated when doing an official match |
| 09:32:31 | ritchie_ | which was *scheduled* (play by a certain date) wed play more |
| 09:32:36 | Chestal | I'm quite fond of the rating system |
| 09:32:40 | ritchie_ | as a lot of others would probs |
| 09:32:44 | ritchie_ | chestal: yes |
| 09:33:02 | ritchie_ | ratings are good |
| 09:33:06 | ritchie_ | but you can have both |
| 09:33:12 | Chestal | yes, of course |
| 09:33:23 | ritchie_ | if we entered into the tournament and *HAD* to play by a certain date |
| 09:33:26 | Chestal | mayeb we'll have a tournament |
| 09:33:32 | Chestal | but right now I don't see it |
| 09:33:32 | ritchie_ | we would, because wed really want to win |
| 09:33:36 | ritchie_ | ok |
| 09:33:36 | ritchie_ | well |
| 09:33:45 | ritchie_ | maybe we should run a pilot with 32 teams |
| 09:33:52 | Chestal | mayeb we need more people driving this thing forward |
| 09:33:57 | ritchie_ | if we cant raise 32 then we just put byes in |
| 09:34:05 | Chestal | hmm, 32 teams is a lot |
| 09:34:08 | ritchie_ | Chestal - it needs more of a mention on the bzflag site |
| 09:34:16 | Chestal | there are less than 10 active teams right now |
| 09:34:18 | ritchie_ | chestal - you give the top seeds byes |
| 09:34:32 | ritchie_ | but i think if we started a tournament there would be a new incentive |
| 09:34:32 | Chestal | and we need more good servers, esepcially a good US server |
| 09:34:38 | ritchie_ | it is something to work on |
| 09:34:39 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 09:34:43 | ritchie_ | i agree |
| 09:34:51 | Chestal | it's very hard to schedule matches between US and Europe teams |
| 09:35:03 | Chestal | and for most teams it seems to be impossible to arrange within the team |
| 09:35:41 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 09:35:41 | Chestal | at least there has been some movement lately, with some new teams beginning to play |
| 09:35:44 | Chestal | the bz team for example |
| 09:35:47 | ritchie_ | well yes |
| 09:36:05 | ritchie_ | and i promise you, if there was a tournament wed play a lot more, our team would have more motivation |
| 09:36:14 | ritchie_ | nobody is around atm as were all on holiday |
| 09:36:17 | Chestal | when Valoche has more time, we should imlement soem check for inactive players / teams, I'm sure there are a lot of people who registered a name and thennever logged in again |
| 09:36:21 | ritchie_ | (im going off soon) |
| 09:36:28 | ritchie_ | you need to make it an integral part of www.bzflag.org home page |
| 09:36:30 | ritchie_ | have links |
| 09:36:34 | ritchie_ | make it big |
| 09:36:44 | ritchie_ | get ppl like proton who host servers |
| 09:36:47 | Chestal | maybe Valoche needs direct support because he hasn't got the time |
| 09:36:51 | ritchie_ | to advertise it on their servers |
| 09:36:56 | ritchie_ | maybe |
| 09:37:03 | ritchie_ | from whom though? |
| 09:37:20 | Chestal | from anyone who likes and who knows a little about php I guess |
| 09:37:35 | ritchie_ | well id be happy to do it |
| 09:37:39 | Chestal | I would really like to see your team play again |
| 09:37:54 | Chestal | I saw Alex (or was is Axel) play on ducati recently, he was quite good |
| 09:38:14 | ritchie_ | he is |
| 09:38:20 | ritchie_ | we have someone called alex too |
| 09:38:27 | ritchie_ | so he calls himself axel |
| 09:38:34 | ritchie_ | and the other alex calls himself axel |
| 09:38:43 | ritchie_ | we will play again, promise |
| 09:38:54 | ritchie_ | but id be really happy to help valoche out |
| 09:39:31 | Chestal | well, I can send him a message and ask him if he thinks if it would be a good idea if you like |
| 09:39:39 | ritchie_ | hes already sent me the database structure |
| 09:39:46 | ritchie_ | and all the data in it |
| 09:39:55 | ritchie_ | ive been working on that on my machine |
| 09:40:01 | ritchie_ | i made a hall of shame/fame scritp |
| 09:40:04 | ritchie_ | script * |
| 09:40:06 | ritchie_ | which works |
| 09:40:11 | Chestal | what does it do? |
| 09:40:23 | ritchie_ | http://rpcharlton.d2g.com/bzctf/record.php |
| 09:40:26 | ritchie_ | that is using |
| 09:40:29 | ritchie_ | very old data |
| 09:40:30 | ritchie_ | im afraid |
| 09:41:00 | Chestal | ah, well, a good idea |
| 09:41:05 | ritchie_ | and |
| 09:41:10 | ritchie_ | you can add lots of stats too it |
| 09:41:14 | ritchie_ | i just did that as an example |
| 09:41:54 | ritchie_ | from |
| 09:41:54 | ritchie_ | http://www.bzflag.org/league/index.php?link=teams |
| 09:42:04 | ritchie_ | you can see there are 16 teams who have played at least 1 match |
| 09:42:07 | ritchie_ | which is a good start |
| 09:42:29 | ritchie_ | i think you could stick some advertising in 1.8 |
| 09:42:33 | ritchie_ | in the game itself |
| 09:42:39 | ritchie_ | and on the main bzflag.org page |
| 11:18:49 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: isn't it a bit late? |
| 11:19:29 | captain_proton | ooh wait, 8:24 am |
| 11:20:17 | ritchie_ | hiya protoin |
| 11:20:20 | ritchie_ | proton * |
| 11:20:48 | captain_proton | 'lo |
| 11:26:36 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 11:26:40 | MrApathyCream | patchin' now |
| 11:27:15 | Chestal | anyone using gpg? |
| 11:27:43 | captain_proton | mornin' apathy |
| 11:27:50 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 11:27:54 | MrApathyCream | mornin' |
| 11:29:57 | MrApathyCream | sheesh, |
| 11:29:58 | MrApathyCream | const uint16_tMsgSetVar = 0x7377f;// 'sv' |
| 11:30:05 | MrApathyCream | it's 0x7377; |
| 11:30:07 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 11:31:00 | captain_proton | no it isn't! |
| 11:31:23 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 11:31:41 | captain_proton | v = 118 decimal, = 76h |
| 11:31:49 | captain_proton | lets count up |
| 11:31:52 | captain_proton | s = 73 |
| 11:31:55 | captain_proton | t = 74 |
| 11:31:58 | captain_proton | u = 75 |
| 11:32:00 | captain_proton | v = 76 |
| 11:32:01 | captain_proton | ok? |
| 11:32:22 | MrApathyCream | ok, then, const uint16_tMsgGetWorld = 0x6777;// 'gw' |
| 11:32:25 | MrApathyCream | is wrong too |
| 11:32:31 | MrApathyCream | oh, never mind |
| 11:32:34 | MrApathyCream | i'm an idiot |
| 11:32:42 | MrApathyCream | anyhoo, you've got a 'f' on the end |
| 11:32:49 | MrApathyCream | 7376 |
| 11:32:55 | captain_proton | true, kill that |
| 11:32:57 | ritchie_ | hiya |
| 11:33:05 | captain_proton | doesn't argue about the w vs v thang |
| 11:34:13 | sjeh | hi ritchie |
| 11:34:22 | MrApathyCream | only one std::cout!!!! very good |
| 11:34:30 | captain_proton | only missed one? |
| 11:34:54 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 11:35:52 | captain_proton | is learning |
| 11:36:00 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 11:36:08 | MrApathyCream | building.. |
| 11:36:48 | MrApathyCream | (~c01ab5c4@chat.ircnet.org)? |
| 11:36:49 | | hey, home |
| 11:36:49 | home | hi |
| 11:36:59 | | Sorry, doughecka, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 11:36:59 | doughecka | ibot shutup |
| 11:37:12 | home | ibot is cool |
| 11:37:36 | doughecka | rolls his eyes |
| 11:37:46 | home | :)) |
| 11:38:01 | captain_proton | doughecka: you're just angry because you get yelled at for playing with him too much |
| 11:38:14 | doughecka | <sniff> |
| 11:38:19 | doughecka | ;) |
| 11:38:33 | doughecka | not really, I just fell like yelling at ibot |
| 11:38:41 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: BZDB is gonna be saweet soon |
| 11:38:50 | doughecka | BZDB? |
| 11:38:52 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: it's seems to work, with minimal testing |
| 11:38:54 | doughecka | ack |
| 11:39:02 | MrApathyCream | anything besides downloadable constants? |
| 11:39:10 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: it should have clipping |
| 11:39:16 | MrApathyCream | for burrow? |
| 11:39:20 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: are you sure its downloading the constants right? |
| 11:39:20 | MrApathyCream | checkin.... |
| 11:39:21 | captain_proton | yes |
| 11:39:40 | MrApathyCream | Well, i dunno.... I'm not moving at the speed of light, anyway |
| 11:39:45 | MrApathyCream | checking clipping |
| 11:39:54 | captain_proton | change gravity (to -4.9), then in the bz console, type 'print' and look for _gravity |
| 11:40:07 | doughecka | hmm |
| 11:40:20 | doughecka | bzflag allows you to change the gravity in real time? |
| 11:40:22 | captain_proton | all the constants are set in the client code too, so right now it just downloads the same value it already knows about |
| 11:40:27 | captain_proton | doughecka: no, but soon |
| 11:40:32 | doughecka | heh, sounds like a way to cheat |
| 11:40:47 | doughecka | ;) |
| 11:40:50 | MrApathyCream | clipping crashes... one mom |
| 11:41:54 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: once i finish my current projecto, you'll be able to specify game parameters on the server as an expression |
| 11:42:01 | MrApathyCream | nice |
| 11:42:07 | captain_proton | _jumpVelocity = 1.0 + $_gravity * 2 |
| 11:42:09 | captain_proton | for instance |
| 11:42:18 | Chestal | proton: I need the fingerprint of your key :-) |
| 11:42:34 | captain_proton | Chestal: hmm - i have a key lying around somewhere - i'll try to find it tomorrow |
| 11:42:51 | Chestal | I got your key via key server |
| 11:43:01 | doughecka | heh |
| 11:43:25 | doughecka | where do I get pgp? |
| 11:43:31 | doughecka | I cant find the link... |
| 11:43:33 | Chestal | I am usign gnupg |
| 11:43:37 | doughecka | ah |
| 11:43:41 | captain_proton | pgp = yuck. gpg = yay |
| 11:43:54 | doughecka | whats the diference? |
| 11:43:56 | captain_proton | Chestal: my key is on a key server? |
| 11:44:01 | Chestal | was using pgp '95, but I lost my private key... |
| 11:44:05 | captain_proton | doughecka: user interfaces |
| 11:44:10 | doughecka | oohh |
| 11:44:11 | captain_proton | Chestal: how trusted am I? |
| 11:44:12 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 11:44:14 | Chestal | captain: yes, I just did gpg --search-keys Trowbridge |
| 11:44:30 | doughecka | is there a gpg for windows? |
| 11:44:38 | Chestal | proton: well, I'm just about going to set my local trust setting for you |
| 11:44:54 | Chestal | doughecka: I would guess there is, google fo rit |
| 11:45:01 | doughecka | ok |
| 11:45:38 | Chestal | proton: your key has no sigs, though |
| 11:45:49 | captain_proton | sure its mine? |
| 11:48:08 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 11:48:15 | captain_proton | my gpg doesn't have a --search-keys option |
| 11:48:19 | captain_proton | what version do you have? |
| 11:54:58 | doughecka | hm |
| 11:55:02 | doughecka | gpg is nicer... |
| 11:55:21 | doughecka | but I cant get any new keys... |
| 11:58:09 | captain_proton | looks inquisitively at MrApathyCream |
| 11:59:45 | MrApathyCream | hmm, fighting with debugger. |
| 11:59:51 | MrApathyCream | clipping seems wrong |
| 12:00:09 | MrApathyCream | getting address error in release build |
| 12:00:15 | MrApathyCream | but just bad clipping in debug |
| 12:01:18 | doughecka | pgp secure network.../whois paulj |
| 12:01:23 | doughecka | ack |
| 12:01:50 | paulj | paulj is me |
| 12:01:56 | captain_proton | describe |
| 12:01:59 | doughecka | ah |
| 12:02:09 | doughecka | wondering why you are idle for 1439 min. |
| 12:02:22 | MrApathyCream | clipping: bullets don't, and get scratch marks when turning |
| 12:02:25 | doughecka | me thinks you run linux, windows would crash... |
| 12:02:46 | doughecka | scratch marks? |
| 12:03:02 | MrApathyCream | white arcs through the bottom half of the screen |
| 12:03:15 | doughecka | oh |
| 12:03:16 | doughecka | cool |
| 12:03:29 | paulj | doughecka: we've a linux machine here that has been running since nov 99 - nearly 2.5 years. |
| 12:03:46 | doughecka | paulj: wow!! |
| 12:03:50 | doughecka | never rebooted? |
| 12:03:54 | paulj | never |
| 12:04:06 | paulj | and it's just a normal compaq proliant server |
| 12:04:13 | doughecka | hehe, try that with a windows nt box... |
| 12:04:15 | doughecka | ;) |
| 12:04:58 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: that sounds like its clipping the ground away |
| 12:06:04 | doughecka | clipping? |
| 12:06:28 | MrApathyCream | prhaps |
| 12:07:41 | captain_proton | i can't imagine what else |
| 12:23:44 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, dunno map file would say tree<string> insert crash, but am skeptical |
| 12:24:09 | MrApathyCream | welp, enough of this fun,... off to the salt mines |
| 12:24:51 | captain_proton | huh? |
| 12:24:54 | captain_proton | tree<string> what? |
| 12:30:03 | MrApathyCream | address error line is in this functions range |
| 12:30:05 | MrApathyCream | 0001:0003e5b0 ?_Insert@?$_Tree@V?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$allocator@D@2@@std@@U?$pair@$$CBV?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$allocator@D@2@@std@@UAudioSamples@@@2@U_Kfn@?$map@V?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$allocator@D@2@@std@@UAudioSamples@@U?$less@V?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$allocator@D@2@@std@@@2@V?$allocator@UAudioSamples@@@2@@2@U?$less@V?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$allocator@D |
| 12:30:06 | MrApathyCream | @2@@std@@@2@V?$allocator@UAudioSamples@@@2@@std@@IAE?AViterator@12@PAU_Node@12@0ABU?$pair@$$CBV?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$allocator@D@2@@std@@UAudioSamples@@@2@@Z 0043f5b0 f i SoundManager.obj |
| 12:31:52 | captain_proton | eeg |
| 12:32:41 | MrApathyCream | don't know why the debugger is messed up here, had to use map file |
| 13:00:13 | captain_proton | hmm, no tim |
| 13:00:34 | captain_proton | Chestal: i have a friend who can probably get some bz-wear screened - interested? |
| 13:02:56 | doughecka | captain_proton: you back from japan? |
| 13:03:34 | doughecka | gives up, windows is too dumb and stupid to use |
| 13:03:44 | captain_proton | doughecka: no |
| 13:03:53 | doughecka | oh... |
| 13:04:56 | captain_proton | Chestal: think about it |
| 13:31:37 | doughecka | hey jzaun |
| 13:31:51 | jzaun | hello |
| 13:32:59 | jzaun | hrm... bzedit works like crap threw esddsp |
| 13:33:10 | doughecka | heh |
| 14:08:15 | doughecka | hey akira |
| 14:09:53 | akira | moin all |
| 14:10:05 | doughecka | moin :D |
| 14:20:16 | doughecka | hey patlabor221 |
| 14:20:28 | patlabor221 | hey |
| 14:21:06 | doughecka | hmmm |
| 14:32:56 | [TeA] | hossa |
| 14:59:10 | akira | na tea, heute besser drauf? |
| 15:12:59 | [TeA] | re |
| 15:13:28 | akira | na tea, heute besser drauf? |
| 15:41:43 | akira | offensichtlich nich :) |
| 15:55:14 | akira | cu all |
| 17:06:23 | | thanks Alosin :) |
| 17:06:23 | Alosin | ibot: botsnack |
| 17:15:27 | Alosin | yes do tell ;-) |
| 17:15:36 | Alosin | lol! |
| 18:29:21 | jpablo | hi |
| 18:29:22 | patlabor221 | hi |
| 18:53:45 | jzaun | Chestal: You around? |
| 19:02:14 | DinahThe2nd | helllooooo |
| 19:03:29 | jzaun | hi |
| 19:23:52 | DinahThe2nd | on the down side, irc with gaim has some issues... |
| 19:28:20 | DinahThe2nd | i'll wager that was the cell chap |
| 19:29:49 | DinahThe2nd | hi there ;) |
| 19:31:00 | DinahThe2nd | sighs |
| 19:33:00 | patlabor221 | well If I know anyting about DBZ I'd say so. |
| 19:33:23 | Cell | hi |
| 19:34:34 | DinahThe2nd | so how are you this fine evening? |
| 19:35:19 | Cell | me? fine |
| 19:35:53 | DinahThe2nd | dont think ive seen you on the ol' irc before |
| 19:36:31 | Cell | yes im new here |
| 19:37:15 | dinah | well, im not, im here quite a bit actually |
| 19:37:40 | | i think Cell is new here |
| 19:37:40 | dinah | ibot: Cell? |
| 19:38:00 | Cell | hm here a lot of ppl, but talking is little |
| 19:38:39 | dinah | well most of them are busy |
| 19:38:51 | Cell | what are u all doing, watching tv, trading stocks? |
| 19:39:06 | Cell | k |
| 19:39:38 | dinah | well, it is also the middle of the night for a few |
| 19:39:56 | Cell | oh, busy @night |
| 19:40:07 | Cell | how comes |
| 19:40:26 | patlabor221 | plaing the distruction of the entire world |
| 19:40:28 | patlabor221 | in legos |
| 19:40:44 | dinah | people go out, clubs and such, or dont they have those in the US? :-P |
| 19:41:09 | Cell | and stay logged in meanwhile, strange? |
| 19:41:31 | dinah | not actually, most people leave irc running all the time |
| 19:42:12 | Cell | good |
| 19:42:36 | dinah | good? whys that? |
| 19:43:00 | Cell | i need some food right now, go to the kitchen, takes 180 sec, and i stay logged in |
| 19:43:29 | dinah | rather odd sort of chap id say, eh luv? |
| 19:44:42 | Cell | i dont understnad, whatt ischap and what is luv? |
| 19:45:07 | patlabor221 | never wathced a british movie have you? |
| 19:45:19 | Cell | no im from germany |
| 19:45:25 | dinah | we know ;) |
| 19:45:47 | patlabor221 | well your closer to the UK then I am and I know what they mean. |
| 19:46:18 | dinah | Cell: could you /msg me with some german? i want to see what my voice plugin will do |
| 19:46:51 | Cell | my lexicon says chap = rift grap breach, fellow |
| 19:47:26 | dinah | in that instance it would mean fellow, as would bloke or veck :-) |
| 19:47:32 | patlabor221 | lexicon my that sounds impresive |
| 19:47:40 | Cell | ja ok. Also ich komme aus Bayern. Das ist das südlichste Land in Deutschland. |
| 19:48:56 | dinah | Cell: if you type /msg (someonesnick) then some words it sends the message just to them |
| 19:49:11 | Cell | ah, k |
| 19:49:12 | dinah | its clear your new to irc |
| 19:49:37 | dinah | pats poor naive Cell on the top of his head |
| 19:49:40 | Cell | no, i just did not used it for long |
| 19:50:07 | dinah | what client do you use, if you dont mind? |
| 19:50:33 | Cell | mIRC32 |
| 19:50:37 | BZFlag | -Cell- VERSION mIRC32 v5.91 K.Mardam-Bey |
| 19:50:45 | Cell | nice |
| 19:51:06 | patlabor221 | it's a simple IRC command |
| 19:51:17 | dinah | what the command for version i dont think gaim has a button for it...? |
| 19:51:20 | Cell | yes i now |
| 19:51:21 | patlabor221 | There's a lot that can be gotten from irc |
| 19:51:42 | BZFlag | -dinah- VERSION Gaim 0.59: The Penguin Pimpin' Multi-protocol Messaging Client: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:51:45 | Cell | what for exaple? |
| 19:52:01 | patlabor221 | IP, hostname |
| 19:52:05 | dinah | alton gorby? ring a bell |
| 19:52:06 | patlabor221 | world location |
| 19:52:21 | Cell | yes, nice |
| 19:52:23 | BZFlag | dinah: /ctcp Cell VERSION |
| 19:53:01 | Cell | i should use an irc proxy, i used earlier but forgotten the url |
| 19:53:24 | patlabor221 | perhaps you could make a script for it. |
| 19:53:33 | Cell | ? |
| 19:53:49 | dinah | is ticked gaim would support /ctcp commands |
| 19:54:07 | patlabor221 | you know a script that bounced your ip all around |
| 19:54:23 | Cell | no, dont understand |
| 19:54:35 | patlabor221 | ohh, then it's ok |
| 19:54:44 | Cell | yes for u |
| 19:54:57 | Cell | fbut i stay stupid on that |
| 19:54:58 | patlabor221 | I'm not behind a proxy |
| 19:55:00 | patlabor221 | just a nat |
| 19:55:17 | dinah | laughs and the puny mortals with there easily identified locations |
| 19:55:36 | patlabor221 | I think if your gonna go on IRC there you shouldn't need to hide |
| 19:55:42 | Cell | nat not found in my lexicon |
| 19:55:49 | dinah | NAT |
| 19:55:51 | Cell | yes |
| 19:55:57 | patlabor221 | Netword address translation |
| 19:56:05 | Cell | a k |
| 19:56:06 | patlabor221 | or a small annoying little fly |
| 19:56:25 | patlabor221 | I think proxy's are a form of cheating |
| 19:56:37 | Cell | fused that on win 2000 server to connect some pcs trough one dsl line |
| 19:56:52 | dinah | :-( im not cheating |
| 19:56:54 | patlabor221 | there are hardware ones |
| 19:56:57 | patlabor221 | I know your not |
| 19:57:02 | Cell | router was to expensive |
| 19:57:13 | patlabor221 | they are cheap here |
| 19:57:29 | Cell | 200 Euro is that cheap? |
| 19:57:43 | Cell | not for a student |
| 19:57:52 | patlabor221 | Nat boxes are only about 40$ us here |
| 19:58:02 | patlabor221 | I know not what that is in the rest of the world |
| 19:58:54 | Cell | k then u are lucky |
| 19:59:17 | patlabor221 | should be able to get them online for that price |
| 19:59:39 | patlabor221 | but I don't know about international shiping |
| 19:59:49 | Cell | hm k |
| 20:00:05 | Cell | something about bzflag |
| 20:00:20 | patlabor221 | ? |
| 20:02:26 | patlabor221 | anyone know how Cap P is coming on the server side world data? |
| 20:03:16 | jzaun | patlabor221: From what I can tell the server hasn't changed in quite some time |
| 20:03:28 | patlabor221 | Cap hasn't checked it in yet |
| 20:03:39 | jzaun | patlabor221: oh :-) That would explain it |
| 20:03:39 | patlabor221 | he was geting testers last night |
| 20:03:51 | patlabor221 | moved all world variables into the server |
| 20:04:16 | testingjuno | hallo patlabor221 |
| 20:04:16 | jzaun | patlabor221: Know if he or others are working on a new world file format yet? |
| 20:04:28 | patlabor221 | no, noone has mentioned it yet |
| 20:04:38 | patlabor221 | I think it's still all up in the air |
| 20:04:43 | jzaun | patlabor221: Would be nice to use either a standard (VRML) or al least XML |
| 20:04:48 | testingjuno | juno is bad, very slow... |
| 20:05:01 | testingjuno | this is doughecka |
| 20:05:09 | patlabor221 | sigh |
| 20:05:20 | patlabor221 | I don't know if a standard format buys antying |
| 20:05:28 | testingjuno | over a dialup, 14400 bps |
| 20:05:28 | patlabor221 | but I think that it's gonna be XML |
| 20:05:36 | testingjuno | :) |
| 20:05:40 | patlabor221 | I'm ery happy for you doug |
| 20:06:07 | patlabor221 | XML didn't look very easy to read ether by hand or by machine |
| 20:06:14 | jzaun | patlabor221: VRML has quite a bit going for it (editor wiese) as well as several libs to parse it already |
| 20:06:15 | patlabor221 | but I'd have to play with it more |
| 20:06:33 | Cell | with XSD Shema, i just say that with out caring about if it fits into the context of what was said previously |
| 20:06:33 | patlabor221 | yeah but it would have to be exeneded to support the BZ specific stuff |
| 20:06:37 | jzaun | XML, I think, is very easy to read |
| 20:06:53 | testingjuno | heh, the text is slower than honey on a frozen milkshake in the yukon |
| 20:06:55 | patlabor221 | the maps are not gonna be simple anymore |
| 20:07:03 | patlabor221 | ok doug we get it |
| 20:07:12 | patlabor221 | all the bounding vouems ect.. |
| 20:07:29 | patlabor221 | sorry volumes |
| 20:07:36 | testingjuno | patlabor221: ok, okk, I get your meaning |
| 20:07:40 | jzaun | aahh |
| 20:07:54 | jzaun | however it works just so I can use other shapes |
| 20:07:57 | jzaun | :-) |
| 20:08:21 | patlabor221 | from what I understnad you will be able to |
| 20:08:26 | jzaun | would be nice to use a cyilidar/cone/dome/etc/ |
| 20:08:38 | patlabor221 | but I don't know how easy it will be to create colison voluems for them |
| 20:08:50 | testingjuno | ok, cya l8r |
| 20:08:52 | jzaun | I'm just trying to figure out the XML parsing error in 1.8 right now |
| 20:09:05 | patlabor221 | it will allow arbitrary teseleated geometry for display |
| 20:09:22 | Cell | what xml parser do u use in 1.8 |
| 20:09:25 | patlabor221 | but the colison volues are just primitives |
| 20:09:27 | jzaun | from what I tell its getting garbage after including a file from the <!INCLUDE "" /> statment |
| 20:09:43 | jzaun | Cell: From what I can see its own |
| 20:09:43 | patlabor221 | hmmm |
| 20:09:56 | Cell | k |
| 20:10:11 | jzaun | I've got a good bit of debugging showing the errors, just no clue on where/how to fix it |
| 20:10:20 | patlabor221 | ohh just cheat an write your own |
| 20:10:28 | jzaun | whats stranger, from what I've heard/can tell its a gcc 3.1 only thing |
| 20:10:43 | patlabor221 | hmm I built a couple days ago and it was fine |
| 20:10:52 | jzaun | with 3.1? |
| 20:11:05 | dinah | gcc 3.1 is awfull nothing much uses it |
| 20:11:30 | jzaun | had to upgrade |
| 20:11:59 | jzaun | Mandrake mode me, wouldn't let me down grand and I had 2.96 (or whatever the bogus RH release was) |
| 20:12:07 | dinah | its a pain to upgrae to, at least for me |
| 20:12:32 | patlabor221 | I don't see how a complier can not complie code that worked in older verisons |
| 20:12:45 | jzaun | eh it compiles |
| 20:12:51 | jzaun | and runs just not properlly |
| 20:13:17 | jzaun | I get no little rotating tank by menu items and I get no 3d graphics if I conenct to a server... |
| 20:13:18 | patlabor221 | then it didn't make the same code that it did last time |
| 20:13:25 | jzaun | it all has to do with the XML parseing |
| 20:13:25 | patlabor221 | hmmm |
| 20:13:34 | patlabor221 | yeah everything comes from that |
| 20:14:30 | jzaun | looks like its read <size of file> +1 and I get 1 char giberish at the end affter each file is parsed |
| 20:14:53 | patlabor221 | hmmm |
| 20:15:04 | patlabor221 | soulnds like he's thinking it's a string |
| 20:15:06 | jzaun | besides the stuff thats after an <!INCLUDE "" /> thats not really at that location in the real files |
| 20:15:42 | jzaun | the parser reads the file 1 char at a time... but I don't know C++ well enough to really mess with it |
| 20:15:48 | jzaun | I'm a C guy myself |
| 20:15:59 | patlabor221 | C++ is not that difrent |
| 20:16:52 | Cell | and i prefer c# now |
| 20:17:04 | jzaun | heh, never touched it |
| 20:17:34 | Cell | because u can build for exaple a peer to peer system with littel effort |
| 20:17:34 | dinah | mmmm HTML, think ill right a game in that :-P |
| 20:18:24 | jzaun | Might have to look it over if I et a chance |
| 20:18:59 | patlabor221 | C# is not well suited to applicaion development |
| 20:19:04 | patlabor221 | its J++ 2.0 |
| 20:21:38 | patlabor221 | and C# is MS windows only |
| 20:22:23 | jpablo | C# is not windows only. |
| 20:22:27 | jzaun | patlabor221: there is mono |
| 20:22:31 | jpablo | there are two linux implementations out there. |
| 20:22:36 | patlabor221 | realy |
| 20:22:37 | patlabor221 | wow |
| 20:22:52 | patlabor221 | that's cool |
| 20:22:55 | jpablo | mono and portable something. |
| 20:23:18 | jzaun | and mono just anounced that mono is at a point where is can compile itself |
| 20:23:20 | patlabor221 | but just like Java, I don't see how it can ever be as fast as a compiled lang |
| 20:23:34 | jpablo | also the microsoft shared source version runs on linux. |
| 20:23:49 | Cell | J# is the new language for DOTNET platform |
| 20:23:53 | patlabor221 | does C# not compile down to a VM type code |
| 20:24:10 | Cell | fMicrosoft wants to get the Java Programmers on their platform |
| 20:24:20 | Cell | f no no VM |
| 20:24:30 | patlabor221 | what? |
| 20:24:32 | Cell | f it uses byte code too, but |
| 20:24:50 | patlabor221 | it's still not processor code is it? |
| 20:24:55 | jpablo | patlabor221: java is fast, if you use a JIT. |
| 20:24:58 | Cell | its compiled in native code with jit compiler or durung instalation |
| 20:25:22 | jpablo | patlabor221: the ibm java jit is _fast_. |
| 20:25:29 | patlabor221 | then what's the point of having it be cross plat if you need to compile it for each plat for speed |
| 20:25:44 | patlabor221 | just make a C progy and compile it |
| 20:25:58 | jzaun | patlabor221: That was always my point too :-) |
| 20:25:59 | Cell | the point is the framework |
| 20:26:05 | patlabor221 | the Just in time stuff has to have some overhead |
| 20:26:20 | patlabor221 | there are good frameworks for C and C++ |
| 20:26:23 | Cell | f yes but it can also optimize things |
| 20:26:37 | patlabor221 | so can C and C++ compilers |
| 20:27:07 | patlabor221 | and who is F? |
| 20:27:12 | Cell | but the point is c++ is to complex, with its pointers, and com or atl is a horror in c++ |
| 20:27:27 | patlabor221 | nothing says you have to use those |
| 20:27:36 | jzaun | Cell: Thats the power of C/C++ |
| 20:27:39 | patlabor221 | if you want to be like java just stick wiht STL |
| 20:27:52 | patlabor221 | if you want to play with the big boys then learn to talk to the metal |
| 20:28:10 | Cell | yes i know but u have to care about many things, no garbage collector |
| 20:28:13 | jpablo | c++ is ugly, i like objc mode. |
| 20:28:16 | Cell | f not metadata |
| 20:28:28 | jpablo | any way, microsoft want binary compatibility cause they don't want to give code away. |
| 20:28:30 | jpablo | that's it. |
| 20:28:37 | patlabor221 | garbage collestion can bite you in the ass |
| 20:28:44 | Cell | no scalabylity to handhelds |
| 20:29:14 | patlabor221 | how does a language have anything do wiht scalability |
| 20:29:16 | patlabor221 | that's all API |
| 20:29:41 | patlabor221 | the probeem I see with java and C# is they mixed an API into the language |
| 20:29:55 | Cell | yes |
| 20:30:06 | patlabor221 | it's gonna get nasty in 10 years when there is simething difrent out there |
| 20:30:18 | Cell | but u can not offer a language with out an api today |
| 20:30:29 | jzaun | Thats why I stick with C/C++ it will always be here |
| 20:30:38 | Widget | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 20:30:39 | bzbot | Red: 4 players, score: -53 | Green: 4 players, score: 52 | |
| 20:30:39 | patlabor221 | the newer languages have the advantige of being re writen |
| 20:30:46 | jzaun | No need to re-write to the next "big time" |
| 20:30:53 | jzaun | s/time/thing/ |
| 20:31:47 | patlabor221 | Obj C has looks promicing, just needs more support. |
| 20:31:50 | Cell | type safety is also a + in c# |
| 20:31:59 | patlabor221 | sure for idiots |
| 20:32:05 | jzaun | :-) |
| 20:32:17 | patlabor221 | sometimes I want to cast stuff as other stuff |
| 20:32:19 | Cell | while(1) is not possible |
| 20:32:32 | Cell | conditions must evaluate to true or false |
| 20:32:49 | Widget | Cell: Yes, Java is strongly typed. |
| 20:33:01 | Widget | Cell: That's often a good thing. |
| 20:33:01 | patlabor221 | they are made for 2 difrent things |
| 20:33:03 | Widget | Cell: Oh, wait. |
| 20:33:09 | Widget | Cell: You're supporting Java, right? |
| 20:33:14 | Widget | is back (gone 39:31:09) |
| 20:33:19 | patlabor221 | java and C# are scripters, not app dev |
| 20:33:43 | patlabor221 | noone would ever write performance critical code in java |
| 20:33:51 | Cell | thats true |
| 20:34:07 | Cell | f but most code does not care that much about efficiency |
| 20:34:28 | patlabor221 | that dosn't mean it's right |
| 20:34:47 | Widget | patlabor221: You're trying to fit Java into an area it was not designed for. |
| 20:34:55 | Widget | patlabor221: Java was designed for web services, etc. |
| 20:34:57 | Cell | f its more important to get fast to the point, to enable rapid development |
| 20:35:02 | patlabor221 | I'm not |
| 20:35:06 | patlabor221 | I'm saying the same thing |
| 20:35:08 | Widget | patlabor221: It wasn't designed to write device drivers and all that rot C/C++ does. |
| 20:35:13 | Widget | patlabor221: What Java does, it does well. |
| 20:35:13 | patlabor221 | I know |
| 20:35:18 | patlabor221 | that's whayt I'm saying |
| 20:35:30 | patlabor221 | it's not a better language, it's just difrent |
| 20:35:49 | Cell | c# and java are languages for the internet, for webservices and database access |
| 20:35:54 | patlabor221 | it's C++ that has been optimised for a certian job |
| 20:35:59 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 20:36:03 | Widget | patlabor221: Now, what are nice are the Microsoft development tools, like Visual Studio. Have you used them? |
| 20:36:18 | patlabor221 | Using VS6 as we type |
| 20:36:18 | Cell | f its not that simple to write code in c++ that handels database transactions |
| 20:36:30 | patlabor221 | sure it is, if you use the same API |
| 20:36:43 | patlabor221 | I have access to the same ODBC or ADO api you have |
| 20:37:08 | patlabor221 | Codewarior was ALMOST nice last time I used it |
| 20:37:15 | patlabor221 | it's perfect on the Mac |
| 20:37:43 | Cell | yes but u have to call so many other methods, care about pointers, AddRef, Realeasy, new, delete and so on |
| 20:37:55 | patlabor221 | umm no, have you ever used it |
| 20:38:11 | patlabor221 | I just make a class |
| 20:38:15 | patlabor221 | then use the class |
| 20:38:23 | patlabor221 | then let it go out of scope |
| 20:38:34 | patlabor221 | you don't have to call new and del |
| 20:38:41 | patlabor221 | you don't need to use pointers |
| 20:38:46 | patlabor221 | they just make it more eficent |
| 20:39:01 | patlabor221 | or use the smart pointer template |
| 20:39:06 | patlabor221 | that thing is super sweet |
| 20:39:09 | Cell | f but its more complex |
| 20:39:20 | Cell | f the code is more complex |
| 20:39:21 | patlabor221 | only because your used to doing it your way |
| 20:39:41 | patlabor221 | I agree that java has streamlied a lot of it |
| 20:39:50 | Cell | for example using MSXML DOM Parser or XPath |
| 20:39:59 | Cell | f its a horror with c++ |
| 20:40:04 | patlabor221 | those are all APIs |
| 20:40:27 | patlabor221 | it's not the languages fault that the C++ implementation of those is stupid |
| 20:40:33 | Cell | k |
| 20:40:44 | patlabor221 | that's where you need to draw the line between language and API |
| 20:40:58 | patlabor221 | many of the APIs for java are very very nice |
| 20:42:11 | patlabor221 | but I agree that java and C# are creat for web services |
| 20:42:16 | patlabor221 | that's what they are designed for |
| 20:42:36 | Chestal | hi |
| 20:42:48 | patlabor221 | I just hate it when people juge a language based on there preceptions of another |
| 20:42:54 | Cell | yes, but they also make the development of GUIS much faster |
| 20:43:06 | Cell | f but ok thats also API dependent |
| 20:43:08 | patlabor221 | so does MFC |
| 20:43:12 | dinah | hi chestal |
| 20:43:18 | patlabor221 | hey chestal |
| 20:43:21 | Cell | f but MFC is really complex |
| 20:43:31 | patlabor221 | not realy |
| 20:43:35 | Chestal | MFC is a big hack |
| 20:43:44 | dinah | Chestal: jzaun was looking to talk to you |
| 20:43:44 | patlabor221 | it's a leaky piece of crap |
| 20:43:57 | patlabor221 | but it make prototypes a snap |
| 20:44:08 | Chestal | dinah: oh, is he still here? |
| 20:44:37 | patlabor221 | an all large APIs are inherntly complex, it's not that you have to use every functuon it can do, to just do what you want |
| 20:44:40 | dinah | Chestal: i dont know it was some time ago. he said he found a bug with 1.8 but wasnt sure how to fix it |
| 20:44:41 | jacques | wat do the themes do? |
| 20:44:50 | patlabor221 | I can bust out a simple test app in 5 min wiht MFC |
| 20:45:04 | Cell | But the dot net framework is really natural |
| 20:45:11 | patlabor221 | that's how I was able to make my BZmap editor in a day |
| 20:45:31 | | dinah was last seen on #zaurus 2 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Wed Jul 17 21:45:29 2002] |
| 20:45:31 | Nicole3 | ibot: seen dinah |
| 20:45:35 | patlabor221 | he's here |
| 20:45:37 | Nicole3 | she |
| 20:45:39 | patlabor221 | she's here sorry |
| 20:45:39 | Cell | f everything u want to do u will anticipiate what class to use |
| 20:45:46 | patlabor221 | typeing too fast :) |
| 20:45:48 | dinah | Nicole3; are you blind |
| 20:45:52 | Chestal | there are so many languages and APIs out there, most suck, but apparently they have their place |
| 20:45:57 | Nicole3 | no, but you could be away |
| 20:46:04 | Nicole3 | like many of the people on here |
| 20:46:14 | Nicole3 | that AREN't talking |
| 20:46:16 | Chestal | I'm sticking with shell + C++ for now |
| 20:46:28 | Nicole3 | hey, dinah, can I ask a favor? |
| 20:46:40 | Nicole3 | please |
| 20:46:43 | patlabor221 | I'm sticking wiht my own cross platform interface handalers :) |
| 20:47:15 | Nicole3 | hello? |
| 20:47:15 | jzaun | ooh Chestal |
| 20:47:20 | dinah | Nicole3: depends |
| 20:47:33 | jzaun | Chestal: Been waiting for ya :-) |
| 20:47:43 | Nicole3 | go look on the CTF site to see what I have written in your section in BZ Bizness |
| 20:47:45 | Chestal | jzaun: I heard |
| 20:47:52 | jzaun | Chestal: Got a few min.? |
| 20:47:58 | Nicole3 | I think it might be of some interest to you |
| 20:48:01 | Chestal | jzaun: well, yes, I guess |
| 20:48:29 | dinah | nicole3 i cant right now |
| 20:48:48 | Nicole3 | ok, thank you for your time, perhaps you might want to read it later. |
| 20:48:50 | patlabor221 | now lisp there's a language :) |
| 20:48:50 | Widget | Nicole3: Skipp says we shall be playing you next Sunday. |
| 20:48:54 | jzaun | Chestal: I've been playing with the XML parse, and from what I cen tell XMLTree::XMLStream::get() gets called on to many times, ie 1 char past the end of the file |
| 20:48:56 | Widget | patlabor221: For idiots. |
| 20:49:01 | patlabor221 | big time |
| 20:49:02 | Nicole3 | he has not told me that |
| 20:49:03 | Chestal | lisp (or scheme) rules :-) |
| 20:49:26 | Nicole3 | We will discuss it later |
| 20:49:28 | Widget | Masochists. |
| 20:49:31 | Widget | Masochists, all of you. |
| 20:49:34 | Chestal | jzaun: ah, so an off-by-one error for detectign eof? |
| 20:49:39 | Widget | Nicole3: He says you will probably play instead of Tea. |
| 20:49:46 | Nicole3 | ok |
| 20:49:51 | Nicole3 | i think i know why though...... |
| 20:49:53 | jzaun | Chestal: looks like it, but I don't know where to fix it at |
| 20:50:06 | patlabor221 | Chestal: looks like it's being treated as a string |
| 20:50:07 | Chestal | hmm, I don't either :-) |
| 20:50:16 | Chestal | but it's a good startign point |
| 20:50:45 | Nicole3 | o and dinah: perhaps you are the rude one if you are to jump and insult me at one of my first messages, especially if I meant no harm what so ever |
| 20:50:50 | jzaun | Chestal: I added a bunch of debug (bacically output ever char) is the last char output is allways ÿ. |
| 20:51:33 | dinah | must have missed something, shes no idea wht nicole is talking about |
| 20:51:52 | Nicole3 | thought so |
| 20:51:57 | patlabor221 | she;ll be back |
| 20:52:00 | Nicole3 | yea |
| 20:52:01 | patlabor221 | she's swithcing clients |
| 20:52:10 | Widget | Yes. She was using Gaim. |
| 20:52:12 | Nicole3 | i am quite mad at her because of what she said in CTF leage |
| 20:52:14 | patlabor221 | she was testing it |
| 20:52:26 | Nicole3 | it was very "rude" |
| 20:52:40 | patlabor221 | she was having a bad week I think |
| 20:52:40 | Widget | Impossible. Dinah is one of the most polite people in the world! |
| 20:52:51 | Nicole3 | go read it for yourself then |
| 20:52:56 | patlabor221 | some other people were serisouly pissing her off |
| 20:52:59 | jzaun | Chestal: Would you have any idea as to where the +1 is comming from? |
| 20:53:04 | Nicole3 | SHE INSULTED A WHOLE NATION! |
| 20:53:12 | patlabor221 | what one? |
| 20:53:17 | Widget | Nicole3: Huh? What did she say? |
| 20:53:22 | Nicole3 | go to the forums |
| 20:53:24 | Chestal | jzaun: no, I am not familiar with the xml parsing code at all, I would have to dig through it |
| 20:53:27 | Widget | Nicole3: ??? |
| 20:53:29 | Nicole3 | under BZ Bizness |
| 20:53:38 | Nicole3 | in CTF leage site |
| 20:53:38 | Widget | Nicole3: Don't take undue offense from what dinah says.. most of it is meant in jest. |
| 20:54:00 | Nicole3 | I don't believe that that can be taken back |
| 20:54:00 | jzaun | Chestal: It happens for each file, ie at the end of the file from a <!INCLUDE "" /> as well as the end of the original file |
| 20:54:12 | Nicole3 | It was extremely jedgemental |
| 20:54:13 | Widget | Nicole3: What part of the forums? |
| 20:54:19 | Nicole3 | BZ BIzness |
| 20:54:23 | jzaun | Chestal: oh, sorry, I was under the impression you wrote most/all of it, my bad |
| 20:54:39 | Nicole3 | under bollocks to #bzflag |
| 20:54:40 | Chestal | nope :-) |
| 20:54:45 | Nicole3 | read all of it |
| 20:55:02 | patlabor221 | she did apologies for that yesterday |
| 20:55:05 | Chestal | jzaun: I didn't do much for 1.8 yet |
| 20:55:10 | Widget | Nicole3: Oh, fooey. |
| 20:55:11 | Nicole3 | how come they are not there? |
| 20:55:14 | Widget | Nicole3: Don't mind that. |
| 20:55:17 | patlabor221 | that I do not know |
| 20:55:29 | Nicole3 | if she is so sorry she should post it there |
| 20:55:36 | patlabor221 | but a certan somene was realy being imature |
| 20:55:37 | Nicole3 | that is the "polite" thing to do |
| 20:55:41 | Nicole3 | i know |
| 20:55:42 | jzaun | Chestal: my bad, sorry to bother you with all that then... |
| 20:55:47 | Nicole3 | but she over reacted |
| 20:55:50 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 20:55:53 | Nicole3 | wayyyyyy too much |
| 20:55:58 | patlabor221 | people have a tendancy to do that |
| 20:56:04 | Nicole3 | she stooped to his level by doing that |
| 20:56:14 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:56:38 | Nicole3 | that is not the kind of thing to do when so mad |
| 20:56:43 | Chestal | jzaun: no problem, I'm interested to get it running, too. JUst had no time / energy to look into it this week. And it was I who did some changes to make it compie with g++ 3.1, so I'm not the completely wrogn person to speak to |
| 20:57:20 | patlabor221 | I've known a lot of people who go complly off when they get bent |
| 20:57:29 | Widget | Nicole3: Look, Queen Victoria also said once that she feared that young people were becoming very "American" in their manners. |
| 20:57:44 | jzaun | Chestal: well... I don't feel like a compleate idiot then :-) |
| 20:57:46 | Widget | Nicole3: It's not something to be taken seriously. |
| 20:57:51 | Nicole3 | That does not give anyone the right to repeat her mistake |
| 20:58:29 | Widget | Nicole3: The right? Of course she has the right. |
| 20:58:36 | Widget | Nicole3: UK citizens have the right to freedom of speech. |
| 20:58:41 | Nicole3 | they do |
| 20:58:43 | Nicole3 | but |
| 20:58:51 | Nicole3 | they should not be so rude |
| 20:59:02 | Nicole3 | then they would stoop down to the level of who they are insulting |
| 20:59:05 | Widget | Nicole3: I wouldn't take it seriously. |
| 20:59:50 | jzaun | Chestal: If you do look at it, in the XMLTree.cxx source file, right above return c; add std::cout << string_util::format ("%c|", c);. The output should look normal for the most part, but looking at the end of each "file" there is a 1 char over read.. I'll keep digging though... |
| 20:59:55 | patlabor221 | it's a common human flaw |
| 21:00:22 | Chestal | jzaun: ok |
| 21:00:23 | Nicole3 | I am an American! I will not simply shrug off all of the insults people throw at me. They NEED to know how they are mistaken in their judgements. It is much better to explain to them why you are taken offense then to let them persaude other people what is wrong |
| 21:00:51 | Widget | Sigh... |
| 21:00:54 | Widget | Nicole3: Never mind. |
| 21:01:05 | Nicole3 | Call me arrogant, but I will not change my mind |
| 21:01:16 | Widget | Nicole3: If dinah's opinion of Americans really matters to you that much... good luck in convincing her. |
| 21:01:22 | patlabor221 | I wish that most of the people I meet on a daily basis wern't rude |
| 21:01:39 | Chestal | most people suck, and that's a fact :-) |
| 21:01:46 | Nicole3 | Well, thank you, I plan on at least telling her not to judge people so quickly |
| 21:01:55 | Nicole3 | For that is rude |
| 21:01:56 | Widget | Yah. Foreigners are mean, no matter what country you're from. |
| 21:02:09 | patlabor221 | no I mean the people in my own country |
| 21:02:23 | Widget | patlabor221: Who are foreigners to most of the people in the world. |
| 21:02:46 | Wing | Everyone believes that their country is the best and all other countries lack the greatness of their's |
| 21:02:49 | patlabor221 | we all live on the same planet, it's not like it should be that hard to get along |
| 21:03:27 | Widget | patlabor221: Why not? |
| 21:03:29 | Nicole3 | I do not believe that my country is the best |
| 21:03:36 | Nicole3 | I have loyalty to my country |
| 21:03:49 | Wing | that is why I like this game, because there are people from many other countries that don't bring their thoughts to the game |
| 21:03:51 | Nicole3 | But I respect other countries and there actions |
| 21:03:56 | Wing | usually |
| 21:04:02 | Widget | Nicole3: OK. But I wouldn't mind the opinion of someone all the way across the ocean. |
| 21:04:13 | Widget | Wing: Usually being the operative word. |
| 21:04:20 | patlabor221 | excpecialy if they are pissed |
| 21:04:31 | patlabor221 | and not in the mad sence |
| 21:04:43 | Widget | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 21:04:43 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 21:04:47 | Widget | Odd. |
| 21:04:49 | Chestal | empty? |
| 21:04:51 | Widget | It was full just moments ago. |
| 21:04:59 | Widget | bzbot: Are you sure? |
| 21:05:01 | Wing | it sometimes kicks people |
| 21:05:01 | Widget | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 21:05:02 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 21:05:11 | Wing | all of them |
| 21:05:14 | Wing | I have noticed |
| 21:05:41 | patlabor221 | just beacuse? |
| 21:05:46 | Chestal | btw., our local computer centre here at the university inquired, why ducati was causing so much traffic :-) |
| 21:05:59 | Wing | you aren't there widget |
| 21:06:17 | Wing | haha |
| 21:06:23 | Wing | what university are you in? |
| 21:06:24 | patlabor221 | ohh no, is somone gonna get busted? |
| 21:06:35 | Chestal | wing: University of Siegen |
| 21:06:51 | Chestal | and it's only ingoign traffic they are counting, outgoign traffic is much larger |
| 21:07:02 | Chestal | I guess it is about 3-4GB incoming in a month |
| 21:07:25 | Chestal | that should make it like 15-20GB outgoing |
| 21:09:48 | Chestal | so, everyone who is not 100% satisfied with 1.7e6 tried 1.7e7M? |
| 21:10:08 | Chestal | that reminds me that there is a glitch in the roaming code which should be fixed |
| 21:10:35 | Chestal | any gnupg / pgp users here? |
| 21:11:56 | patlabor221 | whinces as yet another of his hard drives makes the noise that hard drives are not suposed to make. |
| 21:12:01 | Nicole3 | Well, I should go, bye everyone |
| 21:12:06 | patlabor221 | bye |
| 21:17:15 | doughec | Chestal: I have pgp |
| 21:17:19 | Widget | hihihi |
| 21:17:50 | Widget | Chestal: What did you tell them? That ducati was a server serving an important public interest? |
| 21:18:00 | Chestal | doughec: well, I used pgp about 7 years ago, but I lost my prviate key. SO I started using gpg yesterday |
| 21:18:13 | doughec | Chestal: er I have gpg |
| 21:18:15 | Widget | Heehee. |
| 21:18:16 | Chestal | now I am still in the playful phase :_) |
| 21:18:44 | Chestal | Widget: actually, they only asked the admin of the local network if the high traffic was ok |
| 21:18:58 | Widget | Oh. |
| 21:19:05 | Widget | Chestal: You get free serverspace? |
| 21:19:06 | Chestal | Widget: and the admin asked me, so he reported back that it's alright |
| 21:19:23 | Widget | Chestal: Like Guardian does? |
| 21:19:26 | patlabor221 | so now it's an ofical school service :) |
| 21:19:34 | Chestal | Widget: uhm, Guardian? serverspace? |
| 21:20:03 | Widget | Chestal: Guardian runs this one server. His university allows him to run BZFlag servers on their computers. |
| 21:20:09 | Widget | Chestal: You are allowed to do that as well? |
| 21:20:23 | Chestal | well, kind of, yes |
| 21:20:31 | Widget | Hm. "kind of" |
| 21:20:36 | Widget | ? |
| 21:20:36 | Chestal | well, several issues |
| 21:20:47 | Chestal | the university must pay for incomign bandwidth |
| 21:21:03 | Chestal | and in their wisdom someone decided to try and safe money by keeping the traffic low |
| 21:21:42 | jacques | that brings up a question of mine |
| 21:21:49 | Chestal | of course, this never works, and so our university exceeded their limits, automatically moving into the unlimited traffic rate |
| 21:21:50 | Widget | Whoever thought of that was a person of scary intellect. |
| 21:21:58 | Chestal | so, now it doesn't matter until the end of the year anyway |
| 21:22:03 | jacques | does anyone have ballpark figures for how much bandwidth a bzflag server uses for various numbers of players? |
| 21:22:24 | Chestal | furthermore, I am workign at the university, but ducati is a computer of a student group |
| 21:22:34 | Chestal | jacques: that depends |
| 21:22:34 | Widget | Ah.. |
| 21:22:44 | Widget | Chestal: Oh, yes, I found that I am routed through Australia. |
| 21:23:15 | Widget | Chestal: And also that all attbi.com addresses appear to be from "Middletown, New Jersey" according to http://www.xpenguin.com/plot.php |
| 21:23:18 | jacques | Chestal: hm, what are the variables ? |
| 21:23:24 | Chestal | jacques: I have no real numbers here, but for the ducati setup with 8 players max., you could say something like 30kb/s upstream, with peaks of up to 100kb/s |
| 21:23:25 | Widget | Chestal: Captain Proton says that is where AT&T is headquartered. |
| 21:24:02 | Chestal | Widget: yes, I guess they just evaluate the entries from th ripe database or whatever it is called, not very reliable |
| 21:24:28 | Widget | Chestal: Eh? |
| 21:24:54 | Chestal | Widget: eh eh? :-) |
| 21:25:29 | jacques | Chestal: hmm, I think that might be manageable |
| 21:25:54 | Chestal | jzaun: still here? |
| 21:26:18 | jzaun | yah |
| 21:26:20 | jzaun | Sorry |
| 21:26:32 | jzaun | I was in the other room |
| 21:26:41 | doughec | lo bryjen |
| 21:26:48 | bryjen | hi all |
| 21:26:53 | Chestal | jzaun: I get config.bzc (3,1): unexpected end of stream |
| 21:26:54 | Widget | hihihi, bryjen. |
| 21:27:12 | jzaun | Chestal: Right, remove the blank line at the end of that file |
| 21:27:25 | Chestal | jzaun: hmm, that shouldn't be necessary, sahould it? |
| 21:27:30 | Chestal | it's a bug already |
| 21:27:45 | jzaun | Chestal: No, shouldn't be but it gets you to a point where bzflag launches |
| 21:27:49 | Chestal | somethign is wrong with eof handling |
| 21:28:06 | jzaun | Thats what i think too |
| 21:28:44 | MortimeR | Widget: hihihi it's hi hi hi or you are laughting? |
| 21:28:46 | jacques | damn I wonder what those crazy servers like turkey or astercity use in bw |
| 21:28:48 | jzaun | not sure where is the eof() function is though |
| 21:29:40 | Widget | MortimeR: It's hi hi hi. |
| 21:30:47 | MortimeR | Widget: firsts times you did it I thought the second :-) |
| 21:35:31 | Widget | Chestal: What is the ping latency between you and 202.49.115.27? |
| 21:36:31 | Chestal | 300-400ms from university |
| 21:37:09 | Widget | Odd. |
| 21:37:28 | Widget | hihihi, akira_. |
| 21:37:31 | doughec | lo akira_ |
| 21:37:36 | akira_ | moin |
| 21:37:44 | doughec | moin ;) |
| 21:37:45 | akira_ | BZFlag: awake? |
| 21:37:58 | Widget | akira_: Wie geht es? |
| 21:38:15 | akira_ | danke, gut Widget |
| 21:38:35 | doughec | who is cell? |
| 21:39:04 | patlabor221 | a person |
| 21:39:06 | Widget | doughec: A famous cheater. |
| 21:39:07 | patlabor221 | in germany |
| 21:39:12 | Widget | Between me and wirrehomepage.de, I get round-trip min/avg/max = 178.6/331.3/468.3 ms |
| 21:39:15 | patlabor221 | a script kiddie |
| 21:39:31 | doughec | um, the IRC cell is perfect cell? |
| 21:39:44 | akira_ | Widget: :) |
| 21:39:50 | patlabor221 | it's all from DBZ |
| 21:39:50 | Widget | What is the distance between Karlsruhe and Siegen? |
| 21:39:51 | akira_ | its a redirection |
| 21:39:57 | doughec | heh |
| 21:40:00 | akira_ | dont know Widget |
| 21:40:09 | patlabor221 | DBZ i just lame |
| 21:40:16 | doughec | DBZ? |
| 21:40:19 | patlabor221 | lots of grunting |
| 21:40:26 | patlabor221 | Dragon Ball Z |
| 21:40:27 | patlabor221 | it's a show |
| 21:40:32 | doughec | ahh |
| 21:42:59 | Widget | Hm... it appears Karlsruhe (where wirrehomepage.de appears to be hosted) is 249.6 km from Siegen. |
| 21:43:19 | doughec | Hm... how did you find that out? |
| 21:43:27 | Widget | Distance calculator. |
| 21:43:34 | doughec | ah, cool |
| 21:43:34 | Widget | And Siegen is 369.1 km from Magdeburg. |
| 21:43:45 | doughec | how far is it from you? ;) |
| 21:43:49 | Widget | Which one? |
| 21:43:59 | doughec | Siegen |
| 21:44:14 | akira_ | Widget: wirrehomepage.de is a redirection to www.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~gumz |
| 21:44:24 | Widget | I don't know. My international distance calculator doesn't have Siegen. |
| 21:44:32 | doughec | lol |
| 21:44:40 | Widget | How big is Siegen? |
| 21:45:12 | Chestal | about 100000 people |
| 21:45:21 | doughec | gosh, I am glad bzflag dont use povray for rendering... |
| 21:45:43 | patlabor221 | that's totaly difrent |
| 21:45:49 | doughec | it would look cool, but it would be .000000001 FPS |
| 21:46:01 | doughec | patlabor221: yea |
| 21:46:02 | patlabor221 | it's not hardware |
| 21:46:11 | doughec | yea |
| 21:46:19 | doughec | but why cant it use hardware? |
| 21:46:41 | akira_ | doughec: coz its a raytraycer? |
| 21:46:47 | doughec | hrm |
| 21:46:50 | doughec | ;) |
| 21:46:59 | patlabor221 | totalty difrent algorythm |
| 21:47:11 | akira_ | the inverse algorithm i would say :) |
| 21:47:22 | doughec | yea, but cant someone make a raytracer for hardware? |
| 21:47:28 | patlabor221 | no |
| 21:47:33 | doughec | (stupid question) |
| 21:47:36 | patlabor221 | learn the theroy then ask |
| 21:47:52 | doughec | *ahem* |
| 21:49:21 | patlabor221 | there are some hardware implementaions but they arn't full tracing |
| 21:49:29 | akira_ | you "could" do this stuff in hardware, of coz .. but that wouldnt be a grafikcard ... |
| 21:49:30 | patlabor221 | use textures |
| 21:49:38 | doughec | aha, I got the silver ball over a checkered field |
| 21:49:40 | doughec | yea |
| 21:49:48 | Chestal | povray rules |
| 21:49:53 | Chestal | someday I shoudl check out the current version |
| 21:49:57 | doughec | heh |
| 21:50:05 | doughec | its pretty cool |
| 21:50:17 | doughec | bah, |
| 21:50:31 | doughec | I cant figure out how to fix my computer... |
| 21:51:47 | patlabor221 | fdisk |
| 21:51:53 | doughec | hehe |
| 21:52:06 | doughec | something less drastic |
| 21:52:13 | patlabor221 | format |
| 21:52:21 | doughec | er |
| 21:52:28 | doughec | much more drastic... |
| 21:52:29 | patlabor221 | sys C: |
| 21:52:30 | doughec | ;) |
| 21:52:34 | doughec | lol |
| 21:52:45 | doughec | gosh, such nice tech support... |
| 21:52:51 | bryjen | heh. all i could think was "sledgehammer", but that might be a processor from AMD.... |
| 21:53:03 | doughec | lol |
| 21:53:21 | doughec | now, nobody say "linux" as the answer |
| 21:53:26 | doughec | ;) |
| 21:54:38 | doughec | gosh, sometimes windows 98 seems like the answer... |
| 21:55:36 | patlabor221 | maybe you got bad ram |
| 21:55:51 | doughec | nope, its brand new |
| 21:55:54 | doughec | :( |
| 21:56:02 | doughec | hrm, I hope not |
| 21:56:08 | doughec | its "expensive" |
| 21:56:11 | bryjen | new != good |
| 21:56:20 | doughec | yup |
| 21:56:21 | akira_ | what has the age of the ram to do with its accuracy? |
| 21:56:33 | patlabor221 | or bustedness |
| 21:56:40 | doughec | hehe |
| 21:56:42 | patlabor221 | expensive != good ether |
| 21:57:00 | doughec | hrm |
| 21:57:17 | patlabor221 | best damn modem I ever had cost me $9 |
| 21:57:22 | bryjen | ?? younger ram = better eyesight = more likely to hit target. |
| 21:57:25 | doughec | modem? |
| 21:57:34 | patlabor221 | modem |
| 21:57:36 | akira_ | patlabor221: best os i got cost nothing too :) |
| 21:57:42 | bryjen | wonders where all the sheep references keep coming from.... |
| 21:58:02 | doughec | bryjen: gosh, ky aint that bad... |
| 21:58:03 | patlabor221 | all teh bleaters |
| 21:58:09 | doughec | lol |
| 21:58:30 | patlabor221 | dosn't thing doughec knows that it means tho |
| 21:58:47 | bryjen | doughec: you're the one going on about rams |
| 21:59:30 | doughec | hrm, but if I got a ram in my computer, it would shure bust it to peices |
| 21:59:56 | bryjen | bits |
| 22:00:07 | doughec | ah, thanks |
| 22:00:31 | doughec | anyway, its not my ram |
| 22:00:42 | doughec | I feed it good enuf |
| 22:00:51 | bryjen | then lets move on -- quickly |
| 22:00:59 | doughec | lol |
| 22:01:24 | doughec | glass in pov ray is cool |
| 22:05:58 | doughec | heh |
| 22:06:20 | Widget | Can we advertise in BZFlag's part message? |
| 22:06:34 | Widget | For how much per character is he selling advertising space? |
| 22:06:37 | doughec | cost money |
| 22:06:46 | doughec | ack |
| 22:10:09 | doughec | Widget: I am selling my part message ;) |
| 22:10:22 | doughec | 50 bucks flat fee |
| 22:10:40 | doughec | lo FrootLoop |
| 22:10:44 | akira_ | hey loop |
| 22:10:51 | FrootLoop | howdy |
| 22:11:38 | FrootLoop | Akira: you guys have any matches coming up? |
| 22:11:58 | Chestal | hi Loop |
| 22:12:02 | Chestal | nothing planned so far |
| 22:12:04 | FrootLoop | aah, hi chestal |
| 22:12:06 | Chestal | but we always like to play |
| 22:12:07 | akira_ | FrootLoop: not any i know |
| 22:13:09 | doughec | lo MrApathyCream |
| 22:13:26 | akira_ | Chestal: everything is alright here with 1.0.7 .. got everything i want :) |
| 22:13:50 | akira_ | hello cream |
| 22:15:14 | FrootLoop | well, i better go practice |
| 22:15:15 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 22:20:45 | doughec | wow, I got paid for fixing juno... |
| 22:21:10 | doughec | and the problem was with the phone line... |
| 22:21:26 | doughec | hrm, I should do this stuff for a livin |
| 22:22:15 | patlabor221 | was it an old person? |
| 22:22:20 | patlabor221 | it's easy to dupe old people |
| 22:22:55 | doughec | umm |
| 22:23:03 | doughec | not too old |
| 22:23:18 | doughec | and he paid me lunch |
| 22:23:32 | patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 22:23:38 | akira_ | cu all |
| 22:23:39 | patlabor221 | the "free" lunch deal |
| 22:23:47 | doughec | hehe |
| 22:24:10 | patlabor221 | I would be ashamed if I was frineds with a dialup users, I'd be afraid it would wear off on me. |
| 22:24:27 | doughec | lol |
| 22:24:28 | patlabor221 | and woudn't that be dinner? |
| 22:24:43 | doughec | hey, I am trying to get them to cable... |
| 22:25:02 | doughec | it was 3:00, lunch time for me... |
| 22:25:12 | patlabor221 | that was a while a go |
| 22:25:19 | doughec | yup |
| 22:25:34 | doughec | they use AOL too |
| 22:25:35 | patlabor221 | old news even |
| 22:25:45 | doughec | AOL = ugh |
| 22:25:53 | patlabor221 | you must not speak of this lest you sully the channel wiht the filth |
| 22:25:59 | doughec | lol |
| 22:26:08 | patlabor221 | I do not jest |
| 22:26:10 | doughec | they are using the 1000 free hours.... |
| 22:26:24 | doughec | but you must use 1000 hours in 45 days... |
| 22:26:47 | doughec | means staying online for 20 hours a day, I think |
| 22:30:59 | patlabor221 | you are speaking |
| 22:31:07 | patlabor221 | this is not something that should be |
| 22:31:16 | patlabor221 | I sensce AOL sullying |
| 22:31:34 | doughec | I hate AOL |
| 22:31:59 | doughec | for the most part... |
| 22:32:04 | doughec | I like netscape... |
| 22:33:02 | patlabor221 | they are difrent things |
| 22:33:23 | doughec | yea, but AOL get netscape... |
| 22:33:25 | doughec | right? |
| 22:33:38 | patlabor221 | what? |
| 22:33:56 | doughec | AOL bought netscape |
| 22:34:00 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 22:34:05 | doughec | yea |
| 22:34:16 | doughec | so thats all I like about AOL |
| 22:34:21 | doughec | netscape |
| 22:34:29 | patlabor221 | ahh so you like slowness then |
| 22:34:48 | doughec | hrm |
| 22:34:52 | doughec | not really |
| 22:35:02 | doughec | netscape aint slow |
| 22:35:17 | doughec | on a fast system |
| 22:35:24 | doughec | with lots o' ram |
| 22:35:48 | patlabor221 | everything is fast on a fast system with lots of ram |
| 22:35:57 | doughec | yup |
| 22:36:02 | doughec | even netscape |
| 22:36:08 | patlabor221 | so other things are even faster then netscape |
| 22:36:13 | doughec | but I like mozilla better anyway |
| 22:36:15 | doughec | lo captain_proton |
| 22:36:32 | Widget | hihihi, captain_proton. |
| 22:36:35 | doughec | captain_proton: do YOU like AOL? |
| 22:37:29 | captain_proton | doughec: can't say i've ever used it |
| 22:37:46 | doughec | ah, well dont start |
| 22:37:49 | doughec | ;) |
| 22:46:23 | doughec | ? |
| 22:52:47 | Widget | I want the new iMac! |
| 22:52:53 | doughec | new |
| 22:52:55 | doughec | ? |
| 22:52:58 | Widget | Yes. |
| 22:53:00 | Widget | The new one, |
| 22:53:02 | doughec | the 17 inch? |
| 22:53:04 | Widget | With a 17 inch screen. |
| 22:53:06 | Widget | Yes. |
| 22:53:08 | doughec | yea!!! |
| 22:53:16 | Widget | Of course, I will be upgrading to OS X 10.2 |
| 22:53:21 | doughec | heh |
| 22:53:29 | doughec | is it a free upgrade? |
| 22:53:36 | patlabor221 | iMacs are cute |
| 22:53:53 | Widget | doughec: About $39. |
| 22:54:02 | doughec | oh... |
| 22:54:04 | Widget | doughec: If you already have OS X. |
| 22:54:06 | doughec | is it out yet? |
| 22:54:10 | Widget | doughec: $40 NZD. |
| 22:54:12 | doughec | 1.2? |
| 22:54:17 | Widget | doughec: No, it will be out in August. |
| 22:54:19 | Widget | 10.2. |
| 22:54:22 | doughec | ok |
| 22:54:26 | doughec | I have os X |
| 22:56:05 | Widget | But do you have a Mac¿ =P |
| 22:56:11 | doughec | yup |
| 22:56:15 | Widget | What sort? |
| 22:56:23 | doughec | a G4 933 Mhz syste, |
| 22:56:31 | doughec | with 1.5 gigs of ram... |
| 22:56:34 | doughec | not much |
| 22:56:37 | Chestal | jzaun: still there? |
| 22:56:38 | doughec | but it does the job |
| 22:56:46 | jzaun | Chestal: Yup |
| 22:56:54 | Chestal | jzaun: I think I fixed it |
| 22:57:04 | jzaun | Chestal: Cool!! How? |
| 22:57:12 | Chestal | problem is when skipping whitespace over file bounaries |
| 22:57:19 | Chestal | if calls peek() to get the next character |
| 22:57:41 | Chestal | the code assumes, that after peek() for EOF, the stream status will be eof, too |
| 22:57:58 | Chestal | that doesn't seem to be the case with 3.1, and I guess it is correct, but not sure |
| 22:58:27 | jzaun | Chestal: I'm looking for the function, know about what line? |
| 22:59:00 | jzaun | Chestal: NM found it |
| 22:59:05 | Chestal | 176 |
| 22:59:07 | jzaun | Chestal: How did you fix it? |
| 22:59:21 | Chestal | jzaun: I do int c = srea->peek() |
| 22:59:25 | Chestal | and check c for eof |
| 22:59:36 | Chestal | peek() ang get() return ints, not chars |
| 22:59:43 | Chestal | for eof handling |
| 23:00:28 | jzaun | Chestal: Could you msg me the code you have for the function? |
| 23:04:55 | doughec | lo iLLf8d |
| 23:05:49 | Widget | Long time no see, iLLf8d. |
| 23:06:03 | | iLLf8d was last seen on #bzflag 17 hours, 24 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying: oh my addy changed [Wed Jul 17 06:41:19 2002] |
| 23:06:03 | doughec | ibot seen iLLf8d |
| 23:06:10 | doughec | yea... |
| 23:08:50 | jpablo | hi |
| 23:09:09 | Chestal | hi jpablo |
| 23:09:21 | Widget | hihihi, jpablo. |
| 23:09:23 | jpablo | hey Chestal. |
| 23:09:29 | Widget | jpablo: Have you seen this new iMac? |
| 23:09:38 | Chestal | urg, doesn't compiel with 2.95 |
| 23:09:42 | jpablo | Widget: no, where's the irl ? |
| 23:09:53 | Chestal | han't char_traits |
| 23:10:03 | Widget | jpablo: http://www.apple.com/imac/ |
| 23:10:06 | Chestal | silly pre-standard compilers |
| 23:10:14 | Widget | jpablo: With a seventeen inch screen! |
| 23:10:21 | Widget | jpablo: Specially for watching DVDs. |
| 23:10:23 | jzaun | Chestal: is there a way to put in a check for compiler version? |
| 23:10:40 | Chestal | probably |
| 23:10:42 | Chestal | but that's ugly |
| 23:10:48 | jpablo | Widget: cool screen. |
| 23:10:49 | Chestal | using EOF woudl work I guess |
| 23:10:54 | Chestal | although t's not quite correct |
| 23:10:59 | Widget | jpablo: That is all that is new about it. |
| 23:11:06 | jpablo | Widget: that would made a wonderful linux station. |
| 23:11:39 | Widget | jpablo: I knew you would say that. |
| 23:11:46 | Widget | jpablo: I was even counting the seconds. |
| 23:11:57 | jpablo | hehe. |
| 23:11:58 | Widget | jpablo: 18 seconds. |
| 23:13:21 | jpablo | humm, i'm getting slow. |
| 23:15:08 | iLLf8d | lo |
| 23:15:22 | iLLf8d | sorry fighting with hardware atm |
| 23:15:31 | patlabor221 | use the axe |
| 23:21:00 | Chestal | hi Tim |
| 23:21:16 | Chestal | hmm, difficult to write corect C++ code for all those pre-standard compiles out there |
| 23:21:17 | akira_ | back |
| 23:21:21 | akira_ | tim .. awake? |
| 23:28:20 | Chestal | jzaun ok, commited change with EOF, should be best compromise |
| 23:30:20 | Chestal | good night |
| 23:31:41 | jzaun | Chestal: Cool! |
| 23:31:45 | jzaun | Chestal: Have a G'Night |
| 23:31:50 | akira_ | cu all |
| 23:35:07 | jpablo | http://www.linuxjournal.com/rc2002/ |
| 23:35:11 | jpablo | http://www.linuxjournal.com/rc2002/ <- vote for bzflag. |
| 23:37:25 | jacques | goes to vote |
| 23:37:58 | Widget | jacques: How do you have an activebuddy hostname? |
| 23:40:56 | jacques | Widget: huh? it's where I work |