| 01:21:30 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 07:52:54) |
| 02:37:06 | captain_proton | !seen whardier |
| 02:37:14 | captain_proton | err |
| 02:37:17 | | whardier was last seen on #zaurus 2 hours, 11 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: haha [Thu May 30 01:25:46 2002] |
| 02:37:17 | captain_proton | ibot, seen whardier |
| 05:13:57 | MrApathyCream | großer Job auf dem Durchstreifen erneuern die Rate, chestal! |
| 05:14:10 | captain_proton | ibot, x de en großer Job auf dem Durchstreifen erneuern die Rate, chestal! |
| 05:14:11 | | captain_proton: gro |
| 05:14:16 | captain_proton | ibot, x de en grosser Job auf dem Durchstreifen erneuern die Rate, chestal! |
| 05:14:17 | | captain_proton: large job on roaming across renew the rate, chestal! |
| 05:14:28 | captain_proton | ?? |
| 05:15:00 | MrApathyCream | large => good |
| 05:15:17 | MrApathyCream | across renew =>refresh |
| 05:43:19 | | RCAM was last seen on #tuxboxproject 16 days, 2 hours, 9 minutes and 26 seconds ago, saying: i am off to an old far away land called bed, i will be in a state known as sleep. Call me and wake me up at 407-448-2555 and you shall face your destiny. Have a nice day. [Tue May 14 04:33:53 2002] |
| 05:43:20 | captain_proton | ibot, seen RCAM? |
| 05:43:28 | captain_proton | he must hibernate |
| 05:43:39 | captain_proton | 1 day awake, 20 days asleep |
| 05:45:17 | MrApathyCream | that number really needs to be published somewhere |
| 05:45:48 | captain_proton | days since last RCAM sighting? |
| 05:49:59 | MrApathyCream | phone number |
| 05:50:18 | captain_proton | ahhh |
| 06:48:03 | Widget | Hm. |
| 06:48:07 | Widget | captain_pistachi? |
| 06:48:17 | captain_proton | pistachio |
| 06:48:22 | Widget | No o. |
| 06:48:32 | captain_proton | server limitation |
| 06:49:10 | Widget | BRB, Dinner. |
| 06:49:19 | captain_proton | dinner ? |
| 06:49:25 | captain_proton | seems a bit late |
| 06:50:58 | captain_proton | there's an underscore |
| 06:51:17 | CaptainPistachio | rather loose the _ than the o, no? ;-) |
| 06:51:45 | | 'CaptainPistachio' is 0% lame, CaptainPistachio |
| 06:51:45 | CaptainPistachio | ibot: nickometer CaptainPistachio |
| 06:52:03 | | 'captain_proton' is 2% lame, CaptainPistachio |
| 06:52:03 | CaptainPistachio | ibot: nickometer captain_proton |
| 06:52:06 | CaptainPistachio | heh |
| 06:52:10 | captain_proton | yeah, but if OPN were running unreal, like they should be, it wouldn't be an issue |
| 06:57:26 | vogon_jeltz | hmm. |
| 06:57:38 | vogon_jeltz | I need ideaz0rz for el webspace. |
| 06:58:07 | captain_proton | run a document system for me to use on The Project[tm] |
| 06:58:25 | vogon_jeltz | dude, I don't pwn the servar. |
| 06:58:40 | vogon_jeltz | and I doubt that icculus would allow me to suck up his bandwidth and CPU with that. |
| 06:59:25 | captain_proton | how much bandwidth and CPU would it be? we've only got 4 people so far |
| 07:00:56 | vogon_jeltz | ask icculus if he'll host The Project[tm]. |
| 07:01:15 | vogon_jeltz | be forewarned that you'll need actual code if you want him to host it. |
| 07:01:22 | captain_proton | hah |
| 07:01:39 | captain_proton | if i really decided to go the hosting route i'll use sf or babylonia |
| 07:02:23 | vogon_jeltz | feh. sf is child's play. Real Men (tm) host their projects on icculus.org. |
| 07:02:45 | vogon_jeltz | that's why I don't host my projects there. ;) |
| 07:02:58 | vogon_jeltz | that, and I don't actually have code. |
| 07:03:02 | captain_proton | hahaha |
| 07:04:32 | captain_proton | what exactly makes icculus.org better than sf? |
| 07:05:11 | vogon_jeltz | fairly unrestrictive shells, private CVS repositories, actual e-mail accounts... |
| 07:05:26 | vogon_jeltz | plus you get indie points. |
| 07:05:42 | vogon_jeltz | SF is for wack corporate projects. |
| 07:06:02 | vogon_jeltz | icculus.org is fresh, fly, and indie to the max. |
| 07:06:09 | captain_proton | wtf is an indie point? |
| 07:06:47 | vogon_jeltz | read Diesel Sweeties and listen to "Indier than Thou" by MC Frontalot. those two things do a good job of summing up indieness. |
| 07:07:10 | captain_proton | blah |
| 07:07:23 | captain_proton | just give me a concise yet interesting and simple description =} |
| 07:07:44 | vogon_jeltz | indieness is an intangible quality that indie things possess. |
| 07:07:52 | captain_proton | mmm |
| 07:08:37 | vogon_jeltz | it's a mix between unpopularity and cultishness. |
| 07:09:38 | captain_proton | actually i think the best place to host dev is savannah |
| 07:09:51 | vogon_jeltz | things that are indie are largely considered "crap" by outsiders. |
| 07:16:35 | captain_proton | well - my aim is to create something that will -not- be considered "crap" by outsiders |
| 07:17:07 | vogon_jeltz | heh. |
| 07:17:25 | vogon_jeltz | icculus.org itself is indie. the projects aren't necessarily. |
| 07:26:09 | vogon_jeltz | cranks up MC Hawking. |
| 07:31:12 | onthemark | hello all |
| 07:33:43 | captain_proton | hmm i wonder if my friend is gonna get write2 into gnu |
| 09:51:04 | iLLf8d | night all |
| 10:37:15 | Comanche | hi |
| 11:53:42 | pnm | yo |
| 13:35:34 | Chestal | re |
| 13:35:43 | Widget | Hello, pnm/ |
| 13:35:51 | Widget | Hello, Chestal. |
| 13:45:01 | Chestal | hi Widget |
| 13:47:02 | pnm | hiya |
| 13:58:09 | Widget | 1400 GMT. |
| 13:58:17 | Widget | According to the BBC. |
| 14:01:06 | Chestal | yep, 14:00 UTC, even :-) |
| 16:24:11 | | Valoche was last seen on #bzflag 10 days, 20 hours, 58 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying: okay, I see you later, off to my bath [Sun May 19 20:25:17 2002] |
| 16:24:11 | Ginku | ibot, seen Valoche |
| 16:24:44 | | ZEUS was last seen on #bzflag 227 days, 5 hours, 1 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: gotta run, CEO is walking in the door, later [Mon Oct 15 12:22:47 2001] |
| 16:24:44 | Ginku | ibot, seen ZEUS |
| 16:25:46 | | I haven't seen 'jh', Ginku |
| 16:25:46 | Ginku | ibot, seen jh |
| 16:25:56 | | john was last seen on #zaurus 75 days, 8 hours, 54 minutes and 35 seconds ago, saying: me to, take care. [Sat Mar 16 07:31:21 2002] |
| 16:25:56 | Ginku | ibot, seen john |
| 16:37:57 | Ginku | . |
| 17:11:16 | Chestal | hi BZFlag |
| 17:13:15 | ritchie_ | hi |
| 17:13:22 | ritchie_ | chestal - my new patching hsa worked |
| 17:13:31 | Chestal | ah, great |
| 17:14:16 | ritchie_ | i think for follow flag, all ud need is to have the same code as watching tank |
| 17:14:17 | ritchie_ | except |
| 17:14:24 | ritchie_ | you just look at a the flag |
| 17:14:32 | ritchie_ | whether its on a tank or not |
| 17:15:42 | Chestal | yes, propably |
| 17:16:02 | Chestal | I would have to see, whehter team flags have hard-coded inices or if I have to search for them in the flag array |
| 17:16:54 | ritchie_ | yes i see |
| 17:16:57 | ritchie_ | right |
| 17:17:01 | ritchie_ | of course |
| 18:01:14 | Ginku | hi dinah, what's up ? |
| 18:02:28 | dinah | help?! i cant find any servers?!! |
| 18:04:12 | Ginku | which servers you mean ? |
| 18:04:31 | dinah | in the list, none show up |
| 18:04:49 | Ginku | moment, check it |
| 18:05:34 | Ginku | server list is okay |
| 18:05:51 | dinah | its not for me. did i break somthing? |
| 18:06:02 | Ginku | do you get an error message: can't open server list..... |
| 18:06:16 | dinah | no, it dint say a thing |
| 18:07:02 | Ginku | you can start bzlag on the console : |
| 18:07:19 | dinah | i always do... |
| 18:08:26 | Ginku | ./bzflag -list http://BZFlag.SourceForge.net/list-server.txt |
| 18:09:07 | Ginku | should run then :-) |
| 18:09:30 | dinah | it SHOULD, but wont |
| 18:10:11 | Ginku | you tried this ? |
| 18:10:17 | dinah | yes |
| 18:10:21 | Ginku | hm |
| 18:10:34 | dinah | :-( |
| 18:10:48 | Ginku | what distri ? |
| 18:11:09 | dinah | pardon? |
| 18:11:29 | Ginku | SuSE or Debian or Red Hat ?? |
| 18:11:35 | dinah | Red Hat |
| 18:12:31 | Ginku | I think first I would reboot system, then reinstall the rpm-package ? |
| 18:13:05 | tad | hmm |
| 18:13:10 | dinah | ummm, i used the tar.gzip thing |
| 18:13:16 | tad | lots of people on here today... |
| 18:13:20 | Ginku | oops |
| 18:13:31 | | bzflag was last seen on #blob 6 minutes and 13 seconds ago, saying: er opinion... [Thu May 30 19:07:18 2002] |
| 18:13:31 | tad | ibot seen bzflag |
| 18:13:44 | | chestal was last seen on #bzflag 57 minutes and 42 seconds ago, saying: I would have to see, whehter team flags have hard-coded inices or if I have to search for them in the flag array [Thu May 30 18:16:02 2002] |
| 18:13:44 | tad | ibot seen chestal |
| 18:13:59 | | bzbot was last seen on #bzflag 20 hours, 8 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: Cobra (Red):0 (40 wins, 40 losses). jh (Red):8 (12 wins, 4 losses). [his] arathorn (Green):-1 (48 wins, 49 losses). Steerpike (Green):-15 (19 wins, 34 losses). C-dogg (Green):-140 (57 wins, 197 losses). w339 (Red):-1 (7 wins, 8 losses). joker (Red):-4 (19 wins, 23 losses). Ginku (Green):13 (126 wins, 113 losses). [Wed May 29 23:05:22 2002] |
| 18:13:59 | tad | ibot seen bzbot |
| 18:14:23 | Chestal | dinah: still here? |
| 18:14:26 | dinah | yes |
| 18:14:30 | Ginku | then try to install the bzflag-rpm-package over that |
| 18:14:49 | dinah | is there an rpm for 1.7e4? |
| 18:14:51 | Chestal | try bzflag -list bzflist://166.70.15.250/ |
| 18:15:10 | dinah | i did dear just like you said to in the forum... |
| 18:15:33 | Ginku | yep at http://bzflag.org |
| 18:15:36 | Chestal | hmm, windows? unix? |
| 18:15:55 | dinah | linux, ill try ginku |
| 18:16:37 | tad | hehe |
| 18:17:01 | tad | I like that neat 'hidden' email in the bzflag config file.... |
| 18:17:16 | tad | I put a big long message in there.... |
| 18:17:36 | dinah | there is no rpm for 1.7e4, that i can find... |
| 18:17:47 | Ginku | what ???? |
| 18:17:57 | tad | is there a 1.4 rpm? |
| 18:18:00 | tad | I never found one... |
| 18:18:01 | Ginku | sec please |
| 18:19:54 | Chestal | dinah: trry telnet 166.70.15.250 5156 to see if you get a connection |
| 18:20:37 | Ginku | that's right, sorry, I don't understand that |
| 18:21:12 | dinah | no connection yet... |
| 18:21:26 | Chestal | that's strange |
| 18:21:40 | Chestal | try a traceroute |
| 18:21:50 | dinah | a what? |
| 18:21:57 | Chestal | traceroute 166.70.15.250 |
| 18:22:24 | dinah | bash: traceroute: command not found |
| 18:22:49 | Chestal | try /usr/sbin/traceroute |
| 18:23:37 | dinah | traceroute to 166.70.15.250 (166.70.15.250), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets |
| 18:23:47 | tad | hehe |
| 18:24:04 | dinah | the numbers and * |
| 18:24:07 | Ginku | with http://rpmfind.net I found rpm-packages (1.7e4) for Mandrake...could run.. |
| 18:24:40 | Chestal | dinaH: 30 hops is a lot |
| 18:24:49 | Chestal | dinah: what numbers do you get in the last line? |
| 18:24:49 | dinah | a lot of what? |
| 18:24:55 | Chestal | should look like |
| 18:24:55 | Chestal | 16 rikers.org (166.70.15.250) 237 ms 237 ms 237 ms |
| 18:25:36 | dinah | im up to 8 * * * and counting |
| 18:26:11 | Chestal | oh |
| 18:26:25 | Chestal | looks like your packets don't get there |
| 18:26:26 | tad | hehe |
| 18:26:33 | tad | bummer..... |
| 18:26:45 | dinah | why would that be? is it something i can fix? |
| 18:26:50 | Chestal | probably not |
| 18:26:58 | dinah | oh bother |
| 18:27:09 | Chestal | but you can do withotu the server list |
| 18:27:14 | tad | hehe |
| 18:27:18 | dinah | can i? |
| 18:27:42 | Chestal | dinah: well, by manually enterign the infrmation |
| 18:27:44 | Chestal | http://bzflag.detranquis.com/wbzfquery.html |
| 18:27:48 | tad | http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/WhoisPlaying.html |
| 18:27:50 | Chestal | click on 'consult all servers' |
| 18:28:23 | tad | .cool |
| 18:29:15 | dinah | perhaps if i download it again and start fresh, would it work then? |
| 18:29:32 | tad | no |
| 18:29:34 | vogon_jeltz | is away: sleep or something. |
| 18:29:42 | tad | it needs an connection |
| 18:30:03 | tad | to the server |
| 18:30:18 | dinah | will it ever work on its own again? :-( |
| 18:30:23 | tad | nope |
| 18:30:33 | tad | unless something changes |
| 18:30:46 | tad | at the ISP or the nearest router... |
| 18:30:51 | dinah | something like... |
| 18:31:11 | tad | something, somewhere is blocking the connection. |
| 18:31:31 | dinah | so i dint break something? |
| 18:31:47 | tad | hmmm |
| 18:31:48 | Chestal | dinah: hor many lines before * * * ? |
| 18:32:15 | dinah | im afraid i dont understand the question |
| 18:32:31 | tad | on traceroute |
| 18:32:44 | tad | copy and paste the whole thing to us |
| 18:33:11 | dinah | when it got to 14 * * * i closed it |
| 18:33:43 | Chestal | try again and paste the first few lines here |
| 18:33:57 | dinah | [dinah@rcity dinah]$ /usr/sbin/traceroute 166.70.15.250 |
| 18:33:57 | dinah | traceroute to 166.70.15.250 (166.70.15.250), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets |
| 18:33:58 | dinah | 1 * * * |
| 18:33:58 | dinah | 2 * * * |
| 18:33:58 | dinah | 3 * * * |
| 18:33:58 | dinah | 4 * * * |
| 18:34:00 | dinah | 5 * |
| 18:34:03 | tad | oooh |
| 18:34:04 | Chestal | uh? |
| 18:34:05 | tad | man |
| 18:34:12 | tad | thats pretty bad.... |
| 18:34:17 | tad | can you even ping the server? |
| 18:34:19 | Chestal | this is the same computer you are using for irc right now? |
| 18:34:27 | dinah | yes |
| 18:34:37 | tad | strange |
| 18:34:57 | Chestal | maybe filtered by firewall |
| 18:35:06 | tad | yea... |
| 18:35:17 | tad | maybe its blocking all unknown ports.. |
| 18:35:37 | Chestal | I guess it filters incoming icmp, which is an error |
| 18:35:46 | dinah | this truely rots |
| 18:37:08 | Chestal | well, difficult to debug then |
| 18:37:40 | Chestal | you would have to start traceroute on your firewall / router then |
| 18:38:07 | dinah | just tell me what to do, please |
| 18:38:11 | Chestal | can you connect to ducati.bzflag.org 5156 manually? |
| 18:38:19 | Chestal | without using server list |
| 18:38:23 | dinah | how would i do that? |
| 18:38:37 | Chestal | well, just enter the data manually |
| 18:38:48 | dinah | ummmm |
| 18:39:05 | Chestal | join game, then do not use find serevr, but press arrow down change what's there |
| 18:39:56 | Ginku | is dinah playing at home or workplace ? |
| 18:40:27 | dinah | home, and when i press the down arrow, nothing changes... |
| 18:40:47 | Chestal | down arrow to select the correct menu item |
| 18:41:04 | Ginku | so it shouldn 't be a firewall ? |
| 18:41:07 | Chestal | once for connect, twice for callsign etc. |
| 18:41:25 | dinah | oh, i have to type it in, alright... |
| 18:41:59 | Ginku | or dinah`s father/friend has blocked bzflag ;-) |
| 18:42:21 | dinah | i havent got a father:( |
| 18:42:34 | Ginku | oooppss....sorry |
| 18:44:00 | dinah | well it works manualy, at least :/ |
| 18:44:16 | Chestal | still strange |
| 18:44:47 | dinah | could percy have buggered the network as some kind of prank? |
| 18:44:54 | Chestal | someone awake who knows a littel about bzflag code? |
| 18:45:10 | Chestal | dinah: don't think so |
| 18:45:11 | captain_proton | looks up |
| 18:45:18 | Chestal | proton: could you take a look at bzfs.cxx |
| 18:45:28 | Chestal | line 1310- |
| 18:45:43 | Chestal | there's a check if (n < 4096) |
| 18:45:48 | Chestal | that makes no sense whatsoever |
| 18:45:55 | captain_proton | hang on lemme cvs up |
| 18:48:09 | captain_proton | Chestal: looks like it ought to be > 4096 ? |
| 18:49:42 | Chestal | at the start of the function is initialized with MaxPacketLen |
| 18:50:02 | Chestal | this is 1024 in Protocol.h |
| 18:50:27 | Chestal | in this function n is decreased whenever bytes are copied to the out buffer |
| 18:50:54 | Chestal | so it will always be <1024 |
| 18:51:42 | captain_proton | whats the value of MaxPacketLen ? |
| 18:51:49 | Chestal | I had to disable this, lest I get a warning message on every UDP packet sent with debug level 3 |
| 18:51:57 | Chestal | see above (1024) |
| 18:52:48 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 18:52:55 | captain_proton | if(n < 0) |
| 18:52:56 | captain_proton | ? |
| 18:53:06 | captain_proton | that would make sense to me |
| 18:53:51 | Chestal | but there's a check for n<=2 righ tbefore that check |
| 18:54:00 | captain_proton | true |
| 18:54:05 | Chestal | I have no idea what the intention of this 4096 check has been |
| 18:54:20 | Chestal | there's soem code for queueing etc., this doesn't seem to be used anyway |
| 18:54:29 | Chestal | there is no queues or acks for the udp msgs |
| 18:54:31 | captain_proton | i bet the n <= 2 was added later |
| 18:55:33 | Chestal | hmm, I'llk try andbrose CVS history |
| 18:56:22 | captain_proton | good luck =| |
| 18:57:12 | Chestal | hmm |
| 18:57:18 | Chestal | in an eraleir version there was n=8192 |
| 18:58:34 | captain_proton | = ?? |
| 18:58:45 | Chestal | instead of n=MaxPacketLen |
| 18:58:54 | Chestal | haven't found the exactpoint of change yet |
| 18:59:35 | captain_proton | ahh - the MaxPacketLen was probably just a generalization of the constant |
| 19:00:27 | Chestal | 1.28 -> 1.29 |
| 19:00:38 | Chestal | 1.28 had lots of hardcoded 8192 |
| 19:00:56 | Chestal | ok, I'll remove this check then |
| 19:00:56 | captain_proton | *nods* |
| 19:01:00 | Chestal | makes no sense in this context |
| 19:07:59 | dinah | well thanks for everything, bye |
| 19:39:08 | ritchie_ | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5156 |
| 19:39:09 | bzbot | SoJo (Red):6 (41 wins, 35 losses). bomber (Red):-9 (169 wins, 178 losses). y o y o x (Green):1 (5 wins, 4 losses). Jonny (Green):-12 (120 wins, 132 losses). ron (Green):-44 (27 wins, 71 losses). Peter Lustig (Red):4 (11 wins, 7 losses). cedric (Green):-17 (2 wins, 19 losses). |
| 19:39:18 | ritchie_ | bzfquerylong ducati.bzflag.org 5155 |
| 19:39:18 | bzbot | Server is empty |
| 19:39:28 | ritchie_ | bzfquerylong games.astercity.net 5155 |
| 19:39:32 | bzbot | katsura (Rogue):4 (6 wins, 2 losses). CloseCombat (Rogue):-8 (0 wins, 8 losses). I'm a loser, baby (Purple):2 (4 wins, 2 losses). Thistle (Rogue):15 (25 wins, 10 losses). goose (Red):-38 (170 wins, 208 losses). Cajun (Purple):-9 (1 wins, 10 losses). Chuck Wagon (Rogue):-5 (18 wins, 23 losses). Ranger (Rogue):-7 (7 wins, 14 losses). |
| 19:39:47 | ritchie_ | bzfquerylong mat.plz.fastnet.neet 5155 |
| 19:39:48 | bzbot | Connection refused |
| 19:39:50 | ritchie_ | bzfquerylong mat.plz.fastnet.net 5155 |
| 19:39:51 | bzbot | Connection refused |
| 19:40:26 | ritchie_ | bzfquerylong mat.plz.fastnet.cz 5155 |
| 19:40:48 | ^john | right |
| 19:42:30 | ^john | chestal? |
| 19:47:03 | Chestal | yes? |
| 19:47:12 | ^john | what about weekend? |
| 19:47:21 | Chestal | well, nothign definite so far |
| 19:47:24 | ^john | in sunday? |
| 19:47:25 | Chestal | several teams will try to be there |
| 19:47:32 | Chestal | looks like Sunday evening |
| 19:47:35 | ^john | ok |
| 19:47:41 | ^john | no time? |
| 19:47:49 | Chestal | no, not really |
| 19:47:55 | Chestal | I guess no earlier than 19 UTC |
| 19:47:59 | ^john | ok |
| 19:48:10 | ^john | how many teams? |
| 19:49:06 | Chestal | don't know |
| 19:49:23 | ^john | so it could take time |
| 19:49:34 | ^john | ok |
| 19:49:36 | Chestal | teams which might be there: frogs, moles, loops, compsoc, zees + At nám vlají vlasy |
| 19:49:46 | ^john | okay |
| 19:49:58 | captain_proton | Chestal: i might consider playing depending how the lag is |
| 19:50:01 | Chestal | but let's see how many actually manage to show up with >=3 players :-) |
| 19:50:06 | ^john | i think ruudi will join frogs |
| 19:50:08 | Chestal | proton: 56k? |
| 19:55:22 | captain_proton | yeah =| |
| 19:55:45 | Chestal | then you should at least be using e5 |
| 19:55:50 | Chestal | because of the throttling |
| 19:56:13 | captain_proton | i'm using apathy's f5 because the modem refuses to work in leenoox |
| 19:56:20 | ritchie_ | sunday |
| 19:56:27 | ritchie_ | is not going to be great for compsoc players |
| 19:56:47 | Chestal | yes, but looks as several Teams have problems on Saturday |
| 19:56:55 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 19:56:56 | ritchie_ | thats ok |
| 19:56:58 | ritchie_ | just telling u |
| 19:57:00 | ritchie_ | :-) |
| 19:57:36 | Chestal | sjeh said, some compsocs couldn't play on Saturday? |
| 19:57:57 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 19:57:59 | ritchie_ | but 2 |
| 19:58:02 | ritchie_ | out of 10 |
| 19:58:05 | ritchie_ | is hardly bad :-) |
| 19:58:24 | Chestal | well, yes :-) |
| 19:58:34 | Chestal | we have to think about how we handle substitutions during a match |
| 19:58:55 | ritchie_ | definitely |
| 19:58:56 | ritchie_ | also |
| 19:59:06 | ritchie_ | does ducati check if your nick is in the team list? |
| 19:59:12 | Chestal | no |
| 19:59:19 | Chestal | that has to be handled manually |
| 19:59:29 | ritchie_ | ok |
| 19:59:31 | Chestal | a ref should watch each match anyway |
| 19:59:47 | ritchie_ | ill ref a match at some stage - itll be fun with the roaming |
| 20:00:02 | Chestal | problem with substitutions: the respawn of the new player on home base might give an advantage |
| 20:00:03 | ritchie_ | shouldnt be a problem re team list - a team would knwo if its not one oftheir players |
| 20:00:06 | Chestal | it could be abused |
| 20:01:45 | ritchie_ | yes i see what you mean |
| 20:01:47 | ritchie_ | hmmm |
| 20:01:55 | ritchie_ | what sets the position of the player at startup? |
| 20:02:48 | captain_proton | startup? meaning right after you connect? |
| 20:02:53 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 20:02:56 | ritchie_ | is it server |
| 20:02:58 | ritchie_ | or client |
| 20:02:59 | ritchie_ | if server |
| 20:03:05 | ritchie_ | then ducati can be altered |
| 20:03:14 | ritchie_ | so you start up once the game has been started |
| 20:03:14 | captain_proton | if its ctf you start on base |
| 20:03:18 | ritchie_ | in a random place |
| 20:03:21 | captain_proton | if not, it uses the normal placement algorithm |
| 20:03:26 | ritchie_ | proton: i know that :-) |
| 20:03:34 | Chestal | it's the client |
| 20:03:38 | ritchie_ | ah |
| 20:03:39 | ritchie_ | right |
| 20:03:42 | ritchie_ | so thats a problem |
| 20:03:56 | ritchie_ | any way for the server to say - client go here? |
| 20:04:03 | ritchie_ | or maybe |
| 20:04:17 | ritchie_ | hmm |
| 20:04:17 | captain_proton | not in 1.7 |
| 20:04:20 | ritchie_ | thats a good question |
| 20:04:59 | ritchie_ | chestal |
| 20:05:04 | pnm | you could alter the server to kill people the first time they join, but not deduct a point from their score |
| 20:05:09 | ritchie_ | no |
| 20:05:10 | pnm | twould be a bit evil though |
| 20:05:12 | ritchie_ | thats what we are saying |
| 20:05:17 | ritchie_ | you cant tell the client |
| 20:05:19 | ritchie_ | afaic |
| 20:05:25 | pnm | you can tell the client that they're dead |
| 20:05:30 | ritchie_ | no |
| 20:05:35 | ritchie_ | the client works out if you are dead |
| 20:05:38 | ritchie_ | i think |
| 20:05:43 | ritchie_ | (correct me if youre wrong) |
| 20:05:46 | Chestal | pnm: that hack is too evil for me |
| 20:05:50 | pnm | heh |
| 20:05:51 | pnm | ok |
| 20:05:53 | Chestal | actually, the server does something similar on /countdown |
| 20:06:02 | ritchie_ | oh well |
| 20:06:09 | ritchie_ | use that then :-) |
| 20:06:14 | ritchie_ | but chestal at the same time |
| 20:06:21 | ritchie_ | if they are about to get your flag |
| 20:06:25 | ritchie_ | you can keep rejoining |
| 20:06:30 | ritchie_ | in the hope |
| 20:06:34 | ritchie_ | ull spawn near them |
| 20:06:35 | Chestal | well, a ref can handle that |
| 20:06:40 | ritchie_ | ok |
| 20:06:41 | ritchie_ | well |
| 20:06:47 | ritchie_ | can the ref stop the match? |
| 20:07:00 | ritchie_ | at least stop the countdown |
| 20:07:09 | ritchie_ | then players come on |
| 20:07:14 | Chestal | hmm, good question, not sure |
| 20:07:20 | ritchie_ | because |
| 20:07:24 | ritchie_ | you could have it that |
| 20:07:32 | ritchie_ | team says - please lets have a substitution |
| 20:07:41 | ritchie_ | ref stops game when he thinks its quiet |
| 20:07:50 | ritchie_ | (ie nobodys about to get flag) |
| 20:07:52 | ritchie_ | subs come on |
| 20:07:58 | ritchie_ | ref sends teams back 2 bases |
| 20:08:05 | ritchie_ | wont restart until teams are at bases |
| 20:08:13 | ritchie_ | then go |
| 20:08:41 | ritchie_ | what dya think? |
| 20:09:24 | Chestal | hmm, I don;'t think this will work |
| 20:09:34 | Chestal | peopel woudl have to pause playing |
| 20:09:40 | Chestal | that's difficult |
| 20:09:52 | ritchie_ | no |
| 20:09:54 | ritchie_ | they can play on |
| 20:09:57 | ritchie_ | but it wont affect result |
| 20:10:07 | ritchie_ | the referee keeps the real scor |
| 20:10:18 | Chestal | sounds too complicated for me |
| 20:10:18 | ritchie_ | if ppl score while there is as substitution |
| 20:10:23 | ritchie_ | doesnt count |
| 20:10:26 | ritchie_ | ppl |
| 20:10:29 | ritchie_ | will realise |
| 20:10:37 | ritchie_ | if thye want to play just to do it! |
| 20:10:41 | captain_proton | hmm Chestal |
| 20:10:41 | Chestal | I think we will just have to handle this manually |
| 20:10:52 | BZFlag | who wrote bzbot? |
| 20:10:57 | captain_proton | will stock cvs work as a ctf server? |
| 20:11:12 | ritchie_ | bzbot]# |
| 20:11:16 | ritchie_ | written by pnm |
| 20:11:18 | BZFlag | captain_proton: yes. |
| 20:11:39 | captain_proton | then perhaps i should host US games on babylonia |
| 20:11:47 | captain_proton | for this weekend |
| 20:11:49 | BZFlag | ritchie_: source around someplace? I could add it to ibot as an infobot module. |
| 20:12:03 | Chestal | proton: sounds good |
| 20:12:04 | captain_proton | ooo - that'd be l33t |
| 20:12:06 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 20:12:27 | ritchie_ | bzflag - just getting it |
| 20:12:36 | BZFlag | I'm also looking for a replacement to the bzfstats script. I'm planning to host that on list.bzflaq.org |
| 20:12:50 | Chestal | bzfstats? |
| 20:12:54 | ritchie_ | right |
| 20:12:56 | pnm | BZFlag: I can send you my source, but it's mostly torn straight from your bzfquery perl script |
| 20:12:57 | ritchie_ | thats what he uses |
| 20:12:57 | Chestal | I only know misc/bzfquery.pl |
| 20:12:59 | BZFlag | would be nice to have pretty graphs etc like the original server trackers. |
| 20:13:04 | ritchie_ | heh |
| 20:13:09 | ritchie_ | ive done php |
| 20:13:12 | ritchie_ | stats graphs |
| 20:13:16 | ritchie_ | but only for our modified server |
| 20:13:21 | ritchie_ | with logging of |
| 20:13:23 | ritchie_ | kills |
| 20:13:25 | ritchie_ | deaths |
| 20:13:29 | ritchie_ | flags etc |
| 20:13:39 | BZFlag | pnm: could you upload it as a patch on SF? |
| 20:14:14 | BZFlag | ritchie_: I'd be interested in seeing it. |
| 20:14:19 | ritchie_ | let me see |
| 20:14:32 | Chestal | BZFlag: if you have a little spare time, could you take a look at the patches? :-) |
| 20:14:39 | BZFlag | same comment, upload to SF someplace. |
| 20:15:01 | pnm | BZFlag: certainly - at the moment it's a giant perl file with openprojects and #bzflag hardcoded |
| 20:15:02 | BZFlag | Chestal: heh. not today. but yes, I need to look again, merge, test and release 1.7e6 |
| 20:15:22 | captain_proton | mutters something about enhanced HUD |
| 20:15:39 | Chestal | I'd like to have radar+roaming+idlekick in there, the earleir the better, because we can do betetr testing this way |
| 20:15:44 | Chestal | and priv msgs |
| 20:15:49 | BZFlag | pnm: no problem. I'd just like to see it to get ideas for a new stats page |
| 20:17:04 | Chestal | current e5 bzfs now running for 5 days on ducati 5155 without problems |
| 20:17:43 | Chestal | ritchie: new roaming patch with flag tracking, if you'd like to test |
| 20:17:55 | BZFlag | Chestal: idlekick looks fine. go ahead and add that. |
| 20:18:04 | captain_proton | flag tracking? |
| 20:18:11 | Chestal | proton: guess I should take a look at the enhanced HUD |
| 20:18:13 | ritchie_ | chetal |
| 20:18:15 | BZFlag | are the roaming issues with cloak all fixed? |
| 20:18:18 | Chestal | proton: in let's you track team flags in CTF |
| 20:18:26 | BZFlag | if so then roaming can be added as well. |
| 20:18:27 | ritchie_ | roaming is excellent imho |
| 20:18:28 | Chestal | proton: so, camera is always targeted at red team flag for example |
| 20:18:30 | captain_proton | ahh nifty |
| 20:18:32 | BZFlag | which radar changes? |
| 20:18:48 | BZFlag | ah, yes. priv msgs should go in too. |
| 20:19:02 | Chestal | should be fixed with cloak, haven't tested it, though. I can do that, though |
| 20:19:04 | captain_proton | aren't priv msgs in bz already? |
| 20:19:15 | Chestal | BZFLag: the current radar patch has the options removed from the menu |
| 20:19:29 | Chestal | bzflag: enhanved radar+lined+coliured shots are on per default |
| 20:19:34 | BZFlag | captain_proton: there is a new patch to scroll the target of priv msgs. |
| 20:19:35 | Chestal | bzflag: can be reset by editing config file |
| 20:19:55 | Chestal | proton: nemesis and priv msgs are two commands now |
| 20:20:13 | Chestal | proton: default to , and . With . you can use <- and -> to select target of msg |
| 20:20:26 | BZFlag | Chestal: ah. does the new line+dot look bad on any displays? I had hoped to handle all displays with the current method. |
| 20:20:47 | Chestal | BZFLag: your line+dot method actually okks the same as just lines on the two displays I tested |
| 20:21:03 | Chestal | BZFlag: and some people just prefer the single pixel shots |
| 20:21:14 | BZFlag | Chestal: but they were displays where line was fine already? |
| 20:21:32 | Chestal | BZFlag: lines are fine with high resolutions - if you like lines at all |
| 20:21:50 | BZFlag | Chestal: the lines might be made a bit shorter now as there will always be one dot anyway. |
| 20:22:22 | Chestal | bzflag: with low resolutions, lines do not look good. You get something like a morphing 1/2 pixel thingy |
| 20:23:06 | Chestal | going to test cloaking |
| 20:23:20 | BZFlag | Chestal: with the current line+dot that should not happen. if the line tries to be smaller than a dot, the dot will cover it anyway. |
| 20:23:40 | Chestal | actually, I don't need to test that, I played today and cloaking worked |
| 20:23:59 | Chestal | bzflag: ehm, but the dot isonly one pixel, how can the line be shorter than that? |
| 20:24:04 | BZFlag | ok, let's get roaming in then. |
| 20:24:11 | Chestal | the problem is that the line is too big, not too small |
| 20:24:30 | Ruudi | hi |
| 20:24:47 | BZFlag | Chestal: the line will "try" to be shorter, ie: aliased etc. but the dot will be there, so you won't notice that. that's the point in having both get drawn in the first place. |
| 20:25:38 | BZFlag | Chestal: as I said, the line size should be reduced now as it will not have the disapearing issue. that's why they were so long in the first place. |
| 20:25:56 | Chestal | BZFlag: hmm, ok. But the line with the length as is is always bigegr than 1 pixel, even on low resolutions (ok, migh tbe different with 320x240) |
| 20:26:14 | Chestal | I guess som epeopel liked the long lines |
| 20:26:26 | captain_proton | well i'm off to go apply for a job at (uck) compusa |
| 20:26:38 | ritchie_ | gd luck |
| 20:27:00 | Chestal | proton: just say that you were yougn and needed the money if somebody asks you in a few years ;-) |
| 20:27:09 | Ruudi | time to get up some dust in ducati ! :) |
| 20:27:09 | captain_proton | leaves, sobbing quietly |
| 20:27:25 | captain_proton | Chestal: the problem is that the so-called 'technology' sector is dead right now |
| 20:27:56 | captain_proton | i'm off |
| 20:28:25 | Chestal | bzflag: we'll always have the problem that some people would have the old single pixel shots on radar when we use lines |
| 20:28:50 | Chestal | bzflag: we could shorten the lines, but they should be at least 2-3 pixels on high resolutions, otherwise there would be no point in using them at all |
| 20:29:32 | Chestal | bzflag: so, maybe shorter lines + pixel would be better, I don't know as I'd liek to jsut have the single pixel.So IMHO an option is still needed |
| 20:32:22 | ritchie_ | chestal - can i just do patch < roaming.tx |
| 20:32:23 | ritchie_ | t |
| 20:32:27 | ritchie_ | on the patched version |
| 20:32:31 | ritchie_ | (will it update |
| 20:32:36 | ritchie_ | or will i have to go back to cvs |
| 20:32:37 | ritchie_ | and then |
| 20:32:55 | Chestal | won't work with the patched version |
| 20:33:30 | BZFlag | Chestal: ever play at 1600x1200? dot's are basically invisible. |
| 20:33:52 | Chestal | BZFlag: yes, they were insisible on the SGIs at 1280x1024 here, too |
| 20:34:03 | Chestal | BZFLag: so, I can see that the lines are useful for some displays |
| 20:34:18 | qwrx | as far as BZFlag on the SGI goes |
| 20:34:21 | Chestal | BZFLag: but several people I know still wanted to have their dots back |
| 20:34:25 | qwrx | anyone know how well it'll work on an Indigo? |
| 20:34:43 | qwrx | we at compsoc have one kicking around, currently in need of a hard drive and screen |
| 20:34:58 | Chestal | hmm, we have 4 old SGIs here, don;t know what type, though |
| 20:35:10 | qwrx | what colour? |
| 20:35:17 | Chestal | hmm |
| 20:35:26 | Chestal | one was cyan I think |
| 20:35:37 | qwrx | that sounds like an indigo |
| 20:35:46 | Chestal | I guess this one was fast enough |
| 20:35:51 | Chestal | at least withotu textures etc. |
| 20:36:02 | qwrx | neato |
| 20:36:15 | Chestal | the two slwoer machines only got about 10-15fps, we couldn't use a lower rs because of fixed frequency monitors |
| 20:36:28 | qwrx | ah, right |
| 20:36:38 | qwrx | it'd be nice to have an up to date SGI machine |
| 20:37:46 | qwrx | hmm |
| 20:37:50 | qwrx | if I wanted to buy a sattelite |
| 20:37:52 | qwrx | who would I ask |
| 20:38:05 | [cmpsc]pnm | :) |
| 20:38:28 | [cmpsc]pnm | you could ask wrtl |
| 20:38:36 | qwrx | haven't filled out our budget request completely yet |
| 20:38:40 | qwrx | so i thought |
| 20:38:43 | qwrx | what haven't we got |
| 20:38:44 | [cmpsc]pnm | try and sly it onto the budget without them noticing :) |
| 20:38:51 | [cmpsc]pnm | go for it |
| 20:38:55 | [cmpsc]pnm | you never know |
| 20:38:59 | BZFlag | Chestal: ok, I shortened the shots, try that out. I tried it crom 256x192 up to 1600x1200 and I think it looks fine. |
| 20:39:21 | BZFlag | I best get back to work. |
| 20:39:22 | Chestal | ok, just a moment, testing toaming |
| 20:39:36 | Chestal | bzflag: so roaming+idlekick+privmsg can go in? I would commit them |
| 20:41:08 | BZFlag | Chestal: yes. |
| 20:42:46 | Chestal | hmm, what's the difference between P and U for file status when doing cvs up? |
| 20:44:57 | Chestal | ritchie: ? |
| 20:45:32 | ritchie_ | not sure sorry |
| 20:45:43 | Chestal | ritchie: ust wanted to checek if you are here :-) |
| 20:45:49 | Chestal | ritchie: did you already try the new patch? |
| 20:45:50 | ritchie_ | oh right |
| 20:45:59 | ritchie_ | not yet |
| 20:46:01 | ritchie_ | im waiting |
| 20:46:06 | ritchie_ | for it to go live on cvs |
| 20:46:10 | Chestal | ritchie: ok, then I will commit it to CVS, should be easier that way |
| 20:46:22 | BZFlag | gm and laser should have next shot delays as well as reload delays. |
| 20:46:46 | BZFlag | so that in a 5 shot world you can not fire 5 consecutive GMs etc. |
| 20:46:46 | ritchie_ | maybe there should be other anti gm-laser flags |
| 20:46:50 | ritchie_ | not just stealth and cloaking |
| 20:46:54 | ritchie_ | reflect would be goof |
| 20:46:57 | ritchie_ | good |
| 20:47:06 | ritchie_ | owhere you fire a "bullet" |
| 20:47:09 | Chestal | I have no problem with GM on non-jumping worlds |
| 20:47:13 | BZFlag | heh. perhaps ric should bounce both shots? ;-) |
| 20:47:17 | Chestal | only an 'ok' flag there |
| 20:47:42 | ritchie_ | maybe you could have a star wars defence, or whatever george bush calls it |
| 20:47:44 | BZFlag | yes, auto up/down aiming should severly limit GM. |
| 20:47:59 | BZFlag | er severely |
| 20:48:01 | Chestal | roaming needs to be documented in the manpage I guess |
| 20:48:14 | [cmpsc]pnm | The flag that has unfulfilled potential seems to be phantom zone |
| 20:48:14 | ritchie_ | BZFlag: are you going to aim up/down? |
| 20:48:15 | BZFlag | yes, man page updates would be nice. ;-) |
| 20:48:20 | Chestal | well, later :-) |
| 20:48:25 | [cmpsc]pnm | at the moment it's a bit useless |
| 20:48:30 | BZFlag | ritchie_: in 1.8 I plan to add auto up/down aiming. |
| 20:48:34 | ritchie_ | doesnt |
| 20:48:35 | Chestal | pnm: pz is a nasty flag, it's quite powerful |
| 20:48:45 | Chestal | pnm: m0nkwy_boy is very evil withit |
| 20:48:49 | [cmpsc]pnm | heh |
| 20:48:56 | ritchie_ | BZFlag: doesnt that change a lot about bz? |
| 20:48:59 | ritchie_ | i feel that |
| 20:49:01 | ritchie_ | perhaps |
| 20:49:03 | BZFlag | [cmpsc]pnm: I love phantom. camp behind a teleporter in a busy world and rank up points. |
| 20:49:10 | [cmpsc]pnm | :) |
| 20:49:17 | qwrx | what happened to the lazarus flag |
| 20:49:22 | ritchie_ | or burrow |
| 20:49:27 | ritchie_ | burrow sounds great fun |
| 20:49:59 | BZFlag | ritchie_: up/down only aims when you shoot, the shot still does not track so jumping can avoid the shots. I think it will be fine. |
| 20:50:04 | [cmpsc]pnm | in 1.8 you don't seem to be able to tell if the tank with phantom zone is actually 'zoned' |
| 20:50:09 | [cmpsc]pnm | is that a feature? |
| 20:50:12 | [cmpsc]pnm | I quite like it |
| 20:50:19 | [cmpsc]pnm | adds a new tactical element |
| 20:50:25 | BZFlag | [cmpsc]pnm: no, just something that needs reimplementing. |
| 20:50:28 | [cmpsc]pnm | :) |
| 20:51:28 | BZFlag | new flags will be looked at for 1.8, but will not go into 1.7 cause of net trouble. |
| 20:51:48 | ritchie_ | BZFlag: but that will give shots bouncing off at non-horizontal angles (atm we only have pyramids but they arent played much. however with that you will have shots flying up at different directions which may take away some of bzflags skill/charm |
| 20:51:52 | BZFlag | patches are still up so folks can build custom releases for internal game play. |
| 20:51:59 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 20:52:12 | ritchie_ | * bzflag's |
| 20:52:19 | BZFlag | ritchie_: hmm.. had not thought about that aspect. |
| 20:52:32 | ritchie_ | thats what im worried about |
| 20:52:45 | ritchie_ | youll shoot up at a building and bullets will fly up and up |
| 20:52:52 | BZFlag | well, I plan to do it, then we can test it and decide. |
| 20:52:53 | ritchie_ | and some of the skill / tactics will be nullified |
| 20:52:55 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 20:52:57 | Chestal | chmod +x misc/bzfquery.pl <-- that's really annoying |
| 20:52:59 | qwrx | on the other hand |
| 20:53:07 | qwrx | other skills/tactics will be required |
| 20:53:11 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 20:53:15 | qwrx | can't really say without playing with it |
| 20:53:16 | qwrx | :) |
| 20:53:19 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 20:53:31 | BZFlag | shots need to bounce off the bottom of buildings. hitting pyramids on the base of decks is a bug now. |
| 20:54:02 | BZFlag | Chestal: heh. yep. perl "misc/bzfquery.pl" works though. |
| 20:54:16 | BZFlag | er "perl misc/bzfquery.pl" |
| 20:54:22 | Chestal | hmm, ok, still sucks :-) |
| 20:54:40 | ritchie_ | also, im not sure how effective it will be v gm - surely if someone is a away from the lip of a building he can just lock on after he shoots missile and kill ppl, autoaim will be ineffective |
| 20:54:47 | BZFlag | Chestal: you could add a make target to do it if you like. ;-) |
| 20:55:18 | BZFlag | ritchie_: I'm not hoping to destory GM, just reduce it's benefit. |
| 20:55:24 | ritchie_ | i suppose |
| 20:55:27 | ritchie_ | but i dont think it will |
| 20:55:32 | ritchie_ | think about it |
| 20:55:34 | BZFlag | I also plan to have laser stop at like 1.5 times a normal shot. |
| 20:55:42 | ritchie_ | is that good? |
| 20:55:45 | ritchie_ | because |
| 20:55:46 | ritchie_ | sorry |
| 20:55:51 | ritchie_ | to criticise you ;-) |
| 20:55:58 | ritchie_ | but one of the frailties of laser |
| 20:55:59 | ritchie_ | is that |
| 20:56:06 | ritchie_ | you can die a lot from rebound |
| 20:56:15 | [cmpsc]pnm | only on maps with ricochet on |
| 20:56:21 | BZFlag | The goal is to make flags as even as possible. |
| 20:56:25 | ritchie_ | so its only very good for a short while - noone can survive |
| 20:56:38 | qwrx | hmm |
| 20:56:39 | ritchie_ | BZFlag - why do you want them as even as possible? |
| 20:56:44 | qwrx | anaglyphs are going to be a pain |
| 20:56:49 | ritchie_ | that makes everything mundane and the same level |
| 20:56:50 | BZFlag | cause it makes the game more fun. |
| 20:56:56 | ritchie_ | you think? |
| 20:57:03 | ritchie_ | if you have some better than otehr |
| 20:57:03 | ritchie_ | s |
| 20:57:12 | ritchie_ | people have a target to strive to attain |
| 20:57:15 | ritchie_ | ie getting a good flag |
| 20:57:30 | ritchie_ | obviously its your decision though ;-) |
| 20:57:34 | BZFlag | I disagree. good skill should require that you know how to use most any flag to it's potential, not just shop till you find your favorite. |
| 20:57:44 | ritchie_ | there is a point there |
| 20:57:53 | ritchie_ | anyway, we will see about auto aiming |
| 20:57:54 | ritchie_ | :-) |
| 20:57:59 | ritchie_ | ill be happy to test |
| 20:58:12 | BZFlag | yep. ;-) well. back to work for me... |
| 20:58:21 | ritchie_ | right |
| 20:58:35 | ritchie_ | Chestal - can i now download cvs with roaming etc? |
| 20:58:46 | Chestal | ritchie_: with roaming, yes |
| 20:58:55 | Chestal | ritchie: privmsg + idlekick are still to come |
| 20:59:01 | ritchie_ | ok |
| 20:59:02 | ritchie_ | ill wait |
| 21:00:43 | Chestal | hmm, I wonder. Maybe idlekick shouldn't kick players as long as team+player slots are free? |
| 21:01:11 | ritchie_ | but |
| 21:01:14 | ritchie_ | what is the diff |
| 21:01:22 | ritchie_ | between being paused |
| 21:01:27 | ritchie_ | and not respawning |
| 21:01:28 | ritchie_ | yet |
| 21:01:36 | Chestal | paused tanks send update messages |
| 21:01:42 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 21:01:43 | Chestal | serevr does not track paused status |
| 21:01:47 | ritchie_ | ok |
| 21:01:53 | ritchie_ | but someone can stay paused for ages |
| 21:01:57 | Chestal | main annoyance with idling is on ctf servers |
| 21:02:09 | Chestal | a paused tank will not be a problem in this case |
| 21:02:14 | ritchie_ | but someone can stay paused for ages and doesnt get kicked on ctf, but not respawn on ctf and does get kicked |
| 21:02:21 | Chestal | becuase when the team with the paused tank is loosing, the pasued tank will die when flag is captured |
| 21:02:29 | Chestal | after that the tank will be seen as 'idle' |
| 21:02:32 | ritchie_ | ah |
| 21:02:36 | ritchie_ | i suppose |
| 21:02:41 | ritchie_ | but what if that takes 10 mins |
| 21:02:47 | ritchie_ | somone else should be playing |
| 21:02:54 | ritchie_ | i think there should be a max pause time |
| 21:03:00 | Chestal | that only means that the team with the paused tank is still strong enough |
| 21:03:02 | ritchie_ | ppl have to wait their turn to get back on |
| 21:03:27 | Chestal | it's better than nothing |
| 21:03:30 | ritchie_ | yes |
| 21:03:33 | ritchie_ | youre right there |
| 21:06:20 | qwrx | frustrum.executeView() sets up the position of the camera, yes? |
| 21:08:18 | qwrx | frustum even |
| 21:08:58 | Chestal | ritchie: you can update your cvs now |
| 21:09:08 | qwrx | insert sudden silence here |
| 21:09:18 | Chestal | I have no clue about gl |
| 21:09:23 | qwrx | heh |
| 21:09:35 | qwrx | trying to add anaglyph vision |
| 21:09:38 | qwrx | should be trivial |
| 21:09:41 | qwrx | he says glibly |
| 21:14:04 | BZFlag | that would rock. |
| 21:14:31 | qwrx | well |
| 21:14:35 | qwrx | I've done it with programs of my own |
| 21:14:44 | BZFlag | the other I'd like to have is horizontal interlaced stereo for some immersive displays |
| 21:14:53 | qwrx | written something which plots arbitrary vector fields in 3D |
| 21:15:18 | qwrx | with stereo glasses stuff |
| 21:15:21 | qwrx | which is funky |
| 21:15:37 | qwrx | might run into issues with things like the depth buffer though |
| 21:15:41 | qwrx | because bzflag does transparency |
| 21:17:48 | qwrx | hmm |
| 21:17:54 | qwrx | I see it does stereo glasses if you have them |
| 21:18:05 | qwrx | so actually it should be really easy |
| 21:19:16 | BZFlag | yep. here's some inspiration: http://home.iprimus.com.au/crbean/ |
| 21:19:45 | qwrx | just a matter of using glColorMask() to mask out a different channel for each eye |
| 21:19:56 | qwrx | hehe |
| 21:19:57 | qwrx | neat |
| 21:20:22 | qwrx | that quite interesting, it looks like he's preserved the colour to an extent |
| 21:20:46 | BZFlag | yep. and offered the GL source for download |
| 21:21:00 | qwrx | I'll have to take a look at that |
| 21:21:08 | qwrx | in fact |
| 21:21:29 | qwrx | I have some 3D lenses in my pocket, might just see how it comes out |
| 21:22:55 | qwrx | wow |
| 21:22:58 | qwrx | quite neat |
| 21:23:25 | qwrx | it doesn't go greyscale |
| 21:25:36 | captain_proton | well, /me is almost employed |
| 21:25:44 | tad | :) |
| 21:25:56 | Chestal | proton: is that good or bad? ;-) |
| 21:26:06 | tad | lol |
| 21:26:07 | captain_proton | um - yes? |
| 21:35:02 | Chestal | hmm, several people seem to have problems contactint bzfls |
| 21:35:07 | Chestal | it works for me, though |
| 21:35:27 | tad | works for me too |
| 21:35:52 | tad | how soon will e6/e7 be out? |
| 21:35:55 | tad | ;) |
| 21:36:12 | Chestal | well, depends |
| 21:36:13 | tad | wonders when e6/e7 will be out...... |
| 21:36:19 | tad | hehe |
| 21:36:26 | Chestal | not all patches are in yet |
| 21:36:29 | Chestal | and then it needs some testing |
| 21:36:33 | Chestal | we want a stable version |
| 21:36:41 | tad | yea |
| 21:36:47 | tad | its in CVS? |
| 21:36:57 | captain_proton | mentions enhanced HUD to Chestal |
| 21:37:02 | tad | ooo |
| 21:37:11 | tad | what enhanced hud? |
| 21:37:14 | Chestal | proton: I will try it :-) |
| 21:37:18 | Chestal | busy working on man pages righ tnow |
| 21:37:22 | captain_proton | celebrates |
| 21:37:56 | tad | hehe |
| 21:37:58 | tad | ok |
| 21:38:07 | tad | :) |
| 21:39:23 | captain_proton | froot loops lost a member? |
| 21:40:22 | Chestal | only temporarily I think |
| 21:43:04 | captain_proton | Chestal: whats the desired command line for an e5 tourney server? |
| 21:46:05 | Chestal | something like |
| 21:46:05 | Chestal | ./bzfs -c -b -h -mp 0,3,3,0,0 -ms 2 +r -p 59000 -pr 59001 -passwd xxxxx -requireudp -time 1800 |
| 21:46:18 | Chestal | no, wait |
| 21:46:21 | Chestal | that's for the odl version |
| 21:46:30 | Chestal | ./bzfs -cr -b -h -mp 0,3,3,0,0 -ms 2 +r -p 59000 -pr 59001 -passwd xxxxx -requireudp -time 1800 |
| 21:46:48 | Chestal | I think we should all use the same password and give this to some trusted referees |
| 21:48:46 | captain_proton | care to help me test? babylonia.flatirons.org:5156 |
| 21:48:58 | Chestal | ok |
| 21:51:25 | tad | I can be ref |
| 21:51:46 | tad | Instant message me... |
| 22:00:10 | Chestal | ok, it worked |
| 22:01:50 | Chestal | hmm, too bad that lupi isn't available |
| 22:02:17 | captain_proton | updates his (now obsolete) bzfs |
| 22:03:29 | Chestal | proton: the important command for a tourney match is /countdown which starts the timed game |
| 22:03:55 | captain_proton | right-o |
| 22:04:18 | Chestal | hmm, none of the /commands is documented, is it? |
| 22:04:21 | captain_proton | i'm gonna make this baby public for now |
| 22:04:24 | captain_proton | i don't think so |
| 22:04:27 | captain_proton | maybe /lagstats |
| 22:04:41 | Chestal | for a public serevr you might want to add -maxidle 100 or similar |
| 22:04:54 | Chestal | oh |
| 22:04:56 | Chestal | I fogrot |
| 22:04:58 | captain_proton | the number is ms ? |
| 22:05:02 | Chestal | you shoudk use -mo 4 or something |
| 22:05:05 | Chestal | in seconds |
| 22:05:17 | Chestal | to allow 4 observers |
| 22:06:03 | captain_proton | shall we decide on a password? |
| 22:06:20 | Chestal | do you know the ducati password? |
| 22:06:24 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 22:06:31 | Chestal | but maybe it's good to use a different one for the league? |
| 22:06:33 | captain_proton | but apparently CAPTON BRY knows the ducati password |
| 22:06:40 | Chestal | hmm |
| 22:06:41 | captain_proton | (supposedly) |
| 22:07:13 | Chestal | uah, REDHAT on ducati 5155 defined a looooooooooooooooong email string |
| 22:09:26 | Chestal | we really need to document the server commands |
| 22:09:30 | Chestal | well, I'm off for now, cu |
| 22:09:45 | captain_proton | i'll come up with a password =} |
| 22:11:21 | Chestal | todo for e6: test your HUD patch, advertise patch (yet to be written) and docs for /commands |
| 22:11:43 | Chestal | and some form of the new radar |
| 22:18:13 | captain_proton | ibot, x es en necesito una clave de un mail, puedo conseguirla? |
| 22:18:14 | | captain_proton: I need a key a mail, I can obtain it? |
| 22:18:24 | captain_proton | ooh, hotmail hax0r |
| 22:32:32 | tad | hehe |
| 22:32:51 | tad | like my email string? |
| 22:33:03 | tad | I can shorten it if it bothers someone... |
| 22:33:31 | | bzflag was last seen on #bzflag 1 hours, 12 minutes and 45 seconds ago, saying: yep. and offered the GL source for download [Thu May 30 22:20:46 2002] |
| 22:33:31 | tad | ibot seen bzflag |
| 22:33:36 | tad | :)) |
| 22:33:42 | tad | :D |
| 22:35:36 | tad | lol |
| 22:35:49 | tad | so what are the current server commands? |
| 22:37:11 | tad | here is an old command list: |
| 22:37:11 | tad | http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZServerCommands.html |
| 22:38:23 | tad | ? |
| 22:38:37 | tad | ?? |
| 22:38:48 | tad | caption pistachi? |
| 22:38:55 | tad | what kind of name is that? |
| 22:38:58 | tad | ;) |
| 22:39:02 | captain_proton | pistachio |
| 22:39:11 | captain_proton | its just OPN's icky ircd thats cutting it off |
| 22:39:13 | tad | hmmm |
| 22:39:19 | tad | oh |
| 22:39:26 | tad | :) |
| 22:42:51 | tad | hehe |
| 22:43:35 | tad | what IS the password to ducati? |
| 22:44:41 | captain_proton | hah! |
| 22:44:49 | tad | hah! ?? |
| 22:44:56 | tad | thats the password? |
| 22:44:59 | BZFlag | probably "BZFlagRox" |
| 22:45:03 | ^john | good question taaaaaad |
| 22:45:05 | tad | wierd... |
| 22:45:20 | tad | hehe |
| 22:45:31 | tad | just to know it if there is a cheater there.... |
| 22:45:49 | tad | you know.... |
| 22:46:01 | | password is perl -e 'print crypt("somerandompassword","somerandomsalt") . "n";' |
| 22:46:01 | tad | ibot password? |
| 22:51:32 | tad | nope |
| 22:51:35 | | xx.sEzWY1w1qk |
| 22:51:35 | BZFlag | ibot crypt(mypassword,xx) |
| 22:51:44 | tad | cool |
| 22:52:00 | tad | how do you decrypt it? |
| 22:52:09 | BZFlag | it's des. you don't. |
| 22:52:17 | tad | ?? |
| 22:52:21 | tad | oh |
| 22:52:24 | tad | yea |
| 22:52:27 | tad | :) |
| 22:52:32 | BZFlag | you encrypt another with the same salt and it will match. |
| 22:52:39 | tad | hmmm |
| 22:52:41 | | 69i.r0G.L9lC2 |
| 22:52:41 | BZFlag | ibot crypt(mypassword,69) |
| 22:52:51 | | 69.j2j6Fc6IAU |
| 22:52:51 | BZFlag | ibot crypt(password,69) |
| 22:53:16 | | 994trYRys0TcQ |
| 22:53:16 | tad | ibot crypt(woohoopigfacecowcactes,99) |
| 22:53:21 | tad | hmmm |
| 22:53:30 | | 99D95XRnYVwEs |
| 22:53:30 | captain_proton | ibot crypt(woohoop,99) |
| 22:53:35 | | 994trYRys0TcQ |
| 22:53:35 | captain_proton | ibot crypt(woohoopi,99) |
| 22:53:45 | tad | hmm |
| 22:53:56 | tad | I see said the blind man |
| 22:54:05 | tad | when he picked up the hammer and saw |
| 22:54:14 | tad | ;) |
| 22:54:31 | | ibot is nothing but a despicable bag of humid cat-hair-balls. |
| 22:54:31 | tad | ibot insult ibot |
| 22:54:51 | tad | hmmm |
| 22:55:09 | tad | is there anyway to brute force the password? |
| 22:55:14 | tad | ;) |
| 22:55:25 | tad | just wondering..... |
| 22:55:30 | | rumour has it password is perl -e 'print crypt("somerandompassword","somerandomsalt") . "n";' |
| 22:55:30 | tad | ibot password? |
| 22:55:47 | iLLf8d | hey cap |
| 22:55:55 | iLLf8d | does chestals field have a kick everyone command? |
| 22:55:59 | iLLf8d | or a respawn field |
| 22:56:06 | tad | yes and no |
| 22:56:09 | iLLf8d | I got admin there but the flags are stuck under pyramids |
| 22:56:19 | iLLf8d | we need to reset or restart the board |
| 22:56:22 | iLLf8d | whats the command? |
| 22:56:28 | tad | hold on a sec |
| 22:56:50 | tad | here |
| 22:56:51 | tad | http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZServerCommands.html |
| 22:56:53 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: /flag reset |
| 22:56:54 | iLLf8d | thinks theres a command to reset the field dunno it tho heh |
| 22:56:55 | captain_proton | i believe |
| 22:56:57 | iLLf8d | cool |
| 22:57:03 | tad | whats the password? |
| 22:57:05 | tad | ;) |
| 22:57:06 | iLLf8d | does that do the field? |
| 22:57:08 | iLLf8d | or just the flags? |
| 22:57:12 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: just flags |
| 22:57:20 | iLLf8d | theres a pyramid in the middle of the ctf squares |
| 22:57:25 | iLLf8d | so you can never get to them |
| 22:57:28 | tad | /superkill |
| 22:57:32 | iLLf8d | cool |
| 22:57:33 | tad | kicks al people |
| 22:57:36 | iLLf8d | will do that |
| 22:57:37 | iLLf8d | =) |
| 22:58:31 | tad | hmm |
| 23:13:14 | qwrx | right |
| 23:13:16 | qwrx | time |
| 23:13:17 | qwrx | to do some work |