| 00:02:38 | Chestal | I wonder how he tries to keep track of sessions, hmm |
| 00:04:09 | Chestal | hehe, I found a bug :-) |
| 00:06:35 | Chestal | captain: read the description of player Valoche |
| 00:37:14 | captain_proton | haha |
| 00:37:21 | captain_proton | he DOES suck at php |
| 00:38:32 | BZFlag | comes back... |
| 00:38:43 | captain_proton | wb BZFlag |
| 00:39:05 | captain_proton | we should be getting music pretty soon =) |
| 00:48:05 | BZFlag | <Chestal> btw., I posted on ezboard today that in 1.8 the server admin will be able to specify how powerful some flags are, e.g. longer reload tiem for GM, how fast high speed should be etc. I guess we were goign to do this anyway |
| 00:48:31 | BZFlag | these are not certian yet. more sane defaults might suffice. |
| 00:49:42 | BZFlag | seems to be a 50% longer length to laser and a enforced delay between GM shots could suffice. |
| 00:49:56 | BZFlag | ie: laser is not infinitly long. |
| 00:50:08 | crs23 | i'm all for better defaults, but the added flexibility won't be hard to add. and i think max speed will have to be set by the server per-player. |
| 00:50:46 | jacques_gone | set or enforced? |
| 00:50:58 | crs23 | both |
| 00:50:59 | BZFlag | crs23: to equal out ranking? ie: good players move slower? or just have the server verify the one standard speed? |
| 00:51:39 | crs23 | the server will need to verify max speed to prevent cheating. so it should set the speed. per-tank for the V flag. |
| 00:52:14 | BZFlag | right. the server should verify speed of tanks, both with and without V. |
| 00:52:29 | captain_proton | that means the sserver has to do dead reckoning |
| 00:53:03 | BZFlag | yes. I think that is making more and more sense. I'm thinking the server should at least tdo that much. |
| 00:53:04 | crs23 | not necessarily. it knows how far a tank could've moved over some time |
| 00:53:14 | captain_proton | true... |
| 00:53:27 | crs23 | but i think the server should be doing dead reckoning anyway |
| 00:53:35 | BZFlag | ah, yeas as crs23 says. the motion does not need to be tracked it real time, just position verified. |
| 00:54:14 | captain_proton | that will introduce a lot of false negatives...i suppose thats better than a false positive |
| 00:54:55 | BZFlag | server will want some obstacle detection to place new players. I'm thinking it will not do dead reckoning obstacle detection, but |
| 00:55:11 | BZFlag | it should verify a claimed position. |
| 00:55:30 | BZFlag | ie: I I say I'm inside a building, and I don't have OO, something is wrong. |
| 00:55:33 | crs23 | seems right to me |
| 00:56:42 | BZFlag | It might be interesting to add a server "ghost tank" devel feature |
| 00:56:54 | captain_proton | what do you mean? |
| 00:57:01 | BZFlag | mirror each tank that joins, and send the server position without velocity. |
| 00:57:10 | BZFlag | so we can see the last place the server saw the tank. |
| 00:57:25 | captain_proton | maybe |
| 00:57:49 | BZFlag | you join as Foo and it create a gFoo pseudo player. |
| 00:57:59 | BZFlag | only in development mode of course. |
| 00:58:54 | BZFlag | crs23: next topic... the World stuff never actually creates an XML view of the world, right? |
| 00:59:40 | crs23 | actually it does. the idea is for the server to generate that someday and send it down. |
| 00:59:45 | BZFlag | Chestal: rikers.org 1.8 server is setup as a cron job. |
| 01:00:05 | BZFlag | ChanServ: it rebuilds and restarts whenever there are cvs commits. |
| 01:00:25 | iLL_BZFlag | heh |
| 01:00:34 | captain_proton | shall i commit the tiny tiny little change that adds colors to the console? |
| 01:00:35 | BZFlag | crs23: hmmm. I did not see the xml code generation. where should I look again? |
| 01:00:45 | BZFlag | captain_proton: sure |
| 01:00:52 | crs23 | src/bzflag/WorldBuilder.cxx |
| 01:00:54 | BZFlag | but it may change later. ;-) |
| 01:01:42 | BZFlag | src/bzflag/World.cxx ? |
| 01:02:07 | crs23 | oops. SceneBuilder.cxx |
| 01:02:38 | BZFlag | ahh! no wonder I didn't find it. ;-) |
| 01:04:02 | BZFlag | hmm.. two versions? included? fancy and unlighted? |
| 01:04:50 | BZFlag | so I just call makeBuffer and dump to a file? |
| 01:05:18 | crs23 | yeah, two versions. when texturing is off you want surfaces to have intrinsic color so everything isn't grey. |
| 01:05:32 | BZFlag | ok. |
| 01:05:44 | crs23 | yeah, just dump it to a file. |
| 01:05:47 | BZFlag | is there anything that reads these yet? |
| 01:06:09 | BZFlag | ie: is it in a format the client could understand. |
| 01:06:32 | crs23 | not sure what you mean. it's a standard bzg model file. |
| 01:07:06 | BZFlag | could the client be given that model file as a world at present? will it understand all the primatives? |
| 01:07:25 | BZFlag | what about bzgview? |
| 01:07:44 | crs23 | not only could it, it is given that model! that's how the scene is generated. bzgview can read it too |
| 01:08:51 | crs23 | there's a difference between the obstacle objects and the geometry that gets drawn for them. makeBuffer() generates the latter given the former. |
| 01:09:11 | BZFlag | ah, std::string buffer(makeBuffer(world)); |
| 01:09:11 | BZFlag | std::istringstream stream(buffer.c_str()); in SceneDatabaseBuilder::make |
| 01:09:38 | crs23 | right |
| 01:09:57 | BZFlag | colision detection still relies on the obstacles at present, yes? anything else? |
| 01:10:40 | crs23 | hmm. i don't think so, if you include teleporting in collision detection. |
| 01:11:05 | crs23 | er, yes, it still relies..., no, nothing else. |
| 01:11:07 | BZFlag | your current changes will remove those two? |
| 01:11:31 | crs23 | well, eventually. |
| 01:11:35 | BZFlag | heh |
| 01:11:59 | BZFlag | any way to do the reverse then? ie: take a world stream and create obstacles? |
| 01:12:06 | crs23 | no |
| 01:12:42 | BZFlag | so I can't change the net protocol over till we have new collision and teleporter code, right? |
| 01:13:02 | crs23 | the new world format will have to include both obstacles and geometry, so yes |
| 01:13:43 | captain_proton | can just imagine the freaky worlds gerbil will make where obstacles don't line up with geometry |
| 01:13:47 | BZFlag | ah. what do you think obstacle code in the world format will look like and is there any code to handle that yet? |
| 01:14:19 | crs23 | but you could use the current obstacles as a start (i.e. boxes, pyramids, etc.) |
| 01:14:27 | crs23 | there's no code yet |
| 01:14:47 | crs23 | hmm, the new format, let's see... |
| 01:15:39 | crs23 | there'll be a list of obstacles. each will have a shape and other info |
| 01:15:48 | crs23 | the other info depends on the kind of obstacle |
| 01:16:09 | crs23 | buildings will have a density and a world transformation (restricted to translation and rotation) |
| 01:16:31 | BZFlag | density? |
| 01:16:32 | crs23 | err, actually buildings will probably not have a density since they won't move |
| 01:16:42 | BZFlag | ok |
| 01:16:59 | captain_proton | but what if i want to make a building full of jelly? ;) |
| 01:17:00 | crs23 | but moveable objects should be possible and they'll need a value for mass |
| 01:17:02 | BZFlag | what about elevators of moving bridges? ;-) |
| 01:17:19 | crs23 | sorry, captain, rigid objects for now. :-) |
| 01:17:19 | BZFlag | s/of/or/ |
| 01:17:26 | captain_proton | awww |
| 01:17:30 | BZFlag | heh |
| 01:17:41 | crs23 | flag insertion areas will have a shape and a list of allowed flags |
| 01:17:56 | BZFlag | are you planning inter-tank collision detection? |
| 01:18:03 | crs23 | team bases will have a shape and a team id (and perhaps a flag insertion point) |
| 01:18:48 | crs23 | yeah, we can do tank/tank. the question is how to handle lag. |
| 01:18:58 | captain_proton | tank/tank ? |
| 01:19:03 | captain_proton | ohh |
| 01:19:08 | captain_proton | didn't read the last 3 lines |
| 01:19:13 | crs23 | bridges are just shapes floating in space |
| 01:19:52 | BZFlag | I was thinking of a "ferry" moving box in the air as on some quake levels. |
| 01:20:03 | BZFlag | a horizontal elevator. |
| 01:20:04 | captain_proton | ooo |
| 01:20:10 | crs23 | elevators will have to specify a velocity function. ferrys are the same. |
| 01:20:52 | crs23 | since they have infinite mass, other objects will be pushed (crushed?) by them |
| 01:20:55 | BZFlag | your detection code will handle keeping a tank stationary as pertaining to the ferry/elevator, yes? |
| 01:21:10 | crs23 | it will when i add static friction |
| 01:21:16 | BZFlag | cool. |
| 01:21:19 | BZFlag | very cool. |
| 01:21:51 | crs23 | it'll be cool when it works :-) |
| 01:22:03 | captain_proton | will motions in world objects have the same options as animated models? |
| 01:22:10 | captain_proton | cyclic and like a pendulum? |
| 01:22:42 | jacques_gone | if we have friction we can have different surfaces such as ice |
| 01:22:44 | crs23 | they could but i don't think it can reuse the scene graph stuff effectively |
| 01:23:19 | crs23 | jacques_gone: sure. that'd be another bit of info for each shape |
| 01:23:30 | captain_proton | so to reverse the motion i'd have to send an update saying 'remove this bit of geometry, add this' ? |
| 01:24:02 | crs23 | no, we'll just have to write new code to handle the functions to move obstacles instead of reusing the scene graph stuff. |
| 01:24:32 | captain_proton | ahh hmm |
| 01:24:43 | crs23 | to swing you'd have a function that abruptly changes the velocity at the start and end of the motion |
| 01:25:01 | crs23 | or, heck, add a sin() function |
| 01:25:01 | jacques_gone | crs23: :-) |
| 01:25:06 | captain_proton | sin is better =) |
| 01:27:01 | crs23 | one thing that is not going to be handled is smoothly changing size. so grabbing the obesity flag will not cause the tank to smoothly grow. |
| 01:27:36 | crs23 | it'll have to discontinuously get bigger. if it ends up interpentrating an obstacle it'll blow up. |
| 01:28:16 | BZFlag | I hate getting fat next to a building and blowing up. ;-) |
| 01:28:33 | BZFlag | kinda ruins my whole day. |
| 01:29:06 | crs23 | it'd be really cool to smoothly change size (or shape) but that's another ball of wax |
| 01:30:04 | BZFlag | next thing folks would want it a ripple effect on the end of a resize. |
| 01:30:35 | captain_proton | haha |
| 01:31:25 | captain_proton | oh gawd |
| 01:31:33 | captain_proton | we've got an EE throwing puns |
| 01:31:58 | captain_proton | * Terr wields the power of bad puns with impunity, crushing all of those in his path, except when in parralel. |
| 01:32:02 | captain_proton | <Terr> (In which case he crushes an even amount in each branch) |
| 01:32:02 | captain_proton | <Terr> But never fear, they shall not convict me of Battery. |
| 01:32:07 | captain_proton | shakes his head |
| 01:32:11 | jacques_gone | 3d intrepolation |
| 01:32:16 | jacques_gone | interpolation |
| 01:33:06 | BZFlag | anyway to turn on lighting in bzgview? (/me is looking at HiX.bzg ;-) |
| 01:33:25 | crs23 | use -l on command line |
| 01:33:26 | captain_proton | ooo |
| 01:33:30 | captain_proton | BZFlag: send that to me? |
| 01:34:23 | BZFlag | http://rikers.org/tmp/HiX.bzg |
| 01:35:28 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 01:35:31 | captain_proton | i can't see much of anything |
| 01:35:47 | BZFlag | when I turn it I can see remnants of the entire map. |
| 01:35:54 | BZFlag | seems like lighting is messed up. |
| 01:36:11 | captain_proton | yeah... |
| 01:37:54 | BZFlag | crs23: wanna take a look? |
| 01:40:02 | crs23 | what the?! |
| 01:43:50 | BZFlag | wild, huh? |
| 01:44:57 | crs23 | yeah. it needs to be scaled by 1/1000 but it still looks very wrong after scaling. |
| 01:45:53 | BZFlag | I just added 'fprintf(stderr, "<world-file>: %s", buffer.c_str());' to SceneDatabaseBuilder::make() |
| 01:46:04 | BZFlag | and ridirected the text. |
| 01:46:10 | BZFlag | er redirected. |
| 01:46:18 | crs23 | yeah, that should'a worked. |
| 01:46:27 | BZFlag | ;-) that's what I thought. |
| 01:47:36 | crs23 | k. there must be a bug in SceneVisitorRender. try this: |
| 01:48:04 | crs23 | bzgview.cxx, line 22: change `SceneVisitorRender' to `SceneVisitorSimpleRender' |
| 01:48:24 | jacques_gone | i dont see anything with bzgview HiX.bzg |
| 01:48:31 | crs23 | add `<transform><scale>0.001 0.001 0.001</scale>' at start of bzg file and `</transform>' at end |
| 01:48:44 | crs23 | rebuild bzgview and try it |
| 01:48:51 | BZFlag | trying... |
| 01:49:11 | iLLf8d | heh I tried too |
| 01:49:17 | iLLf8d | lots of scrolly numbers tho |
| 01:49:23 | crs23 | hold shift+ctrl and drag down to zoom in a bit |
| 01:49:24 | BZFlag | well, it does not flash now. |
| 01:49:56 | crs23 | it looks perfect to me. what's wrong on your end? |
| 01:50:15 | BZFlag | field of view is a bit off. |
| 01:50:37 | iLLf8d | mines all dark =P |
| 01:50:42 | jacques_gone | mine too |
| 01:50:46 | jacques_gone | black screen |
| 01:50:50 | iLLf8d | tho I can see something moving |
| 01:50:51 | jacques_gone | fresh cvs build |
| 01:51:01 | crs23 | use `bzgview -l HiX.bzg' |
| 01:51:35 | crs23 | BZFlag: ctrl+drag dollys in and out, shift+ctrl+drag changes fov |
| 01:51:39 | iLLf8d | it may just be my nviida |
| 01:51:58 | iLLf8d | seems that you need to hammer the brightness to see anything |
| 01:52:08 | crs23 | did you turn on lighting? |
| 01:52:12 | iLLf8d | I can see stuff there but its almost all black if not black |
| 01:52:16 | iLLf8d | the way you showed yes |
| 01:52:18 | jacques_gone | i turned brightness all the way up |
| 01:52:29 | jacques_gone | only see a few flashing lines when zomming |
| 01:52:38 | jacques_gone | and I am using -l |
| 01:52:40 | crs23 | weird. it looks fine on my box. |
| 01:52:49 | BZFlag | what restores? |
| 01:52:54 | jacques_gone | I also have nvidia with inary drivers |
| 01:53:01 | jacques_gone | binary |
| 01:53:05 | BZFlag | jacques_gone: did you change the line in bzgview? |
| 01:53:10 | crs23 | try changing the `1 2' in the first few lines of HiX.bzg to `1 1' |
| 01:53:14 | jacques_gone | i think the gamma is wrong |
| 01:53:19 | iLLf8d | me too |
| 01:53:20 | crs23 | BZFlag: quiting and restarting :-) |
| 01:53:22 | jacques_gone | had same problem when first starting bzflag |
| 01:53:24 | iLLf8d | gamma issue |
| 01:53:46 | iLLf8d | seems I can see it a little better when moving the window around heh |
| 01:53:47 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 01:54:09 | BZFlag | any way to get a view from above? |
| 01:54:25 | crs23 | no, that doesn't make sense. some of the objects are very bright. your gamma would have to be seriously screwed up to make everything black. |
| 01:54:38 | crs23 | dragging the mouse spins the object |
| 01:54:57 | iLLf8d | still fubar |
| 01:55:04 | iLLf8d | but at least I can see red now when dragging |
| 01:55:25 | iLLf8d | as soon as I stop zoom it goes black and in zoom its not really discernable but at least parts are red |
| 01:55:42 | iLLf8d | did the 1 1 thing |
| 01:55:48 | jacques_gone | iLLf8d: how did you get red? |
| 01:55:58 | iLLf8d | they kinda flicker |
| 01:56:05 | iLLf8d | its definatley some kinda lighting thing |
| 01:56:20 | iLLf8d | changed the first few lines to 1 1 like crs said |
| 01:56:31 | iLLf8d | their 1 2 in the file |
| 01:56:45 | crs23 | the flicker is due to a bug. did you make the bzgview.cxx fix? |
| 01:56:58 | jacques_gone | polygons are probably on backwards :-) |
| 01:57:11 | BZFlag | crs23: any way to move viewpoint? |
| 01:57:13 | jacques_gone | backface culling is removing then all |
| 01:57:17 | jacques_gone | :-D |
| 01:57:25 | BZFlag | ahh, just shift. |
| 01:57:26 | iLLf8d | the thing BZFlag mentioned |
| 01:58:35 | jacques_gone | change the line in bzgview? no |
| 01:58:42 | crs23 | yes, SceneVisitorRender to SceneVisitorSimpleRender |
| 01:58:49 | BZFlag | ahh, cool. I use shift-drag to get on top, then drag release to make is spin. looks wild. |
| 01:58:52 | jacques_gone | o I'll try that |
| 01:58:56 | captain_proton | wakes up |
| 01:59:03 | iLLf8d | i'll scroll back and rereview |
| 01:59:46 | BZFlag | fov it a bit wierd... testing some others. |
| 02:01:25 | iLLf8d | there we go |
| 02:01:27 | iLLf8d | I can see something now |
| 02:01:51 | jacques_gone | yeah fisheye effect |
| 02:01:55 | jacques_gone | I can see it now |
| 02:01:56 | iLLf8d | how do I unfisheye it? |
| 02:02:01 | jacques_gone | why did I need to change the renderer? |
| 02:02:13 | iLLf8d | gonna try to change it back to 1 2 now |
| 02:02:17 | BZFlag | jacques_gone: a bug. |
| 02:02:41 | crs23 | the controls for bzgview: |
| 02:02:46 | crs23 | drag -> spin |
| 02:02:46 | iLLf8d | yeah 1 1 is needed |
| 02:02:51 | crs23 | shift+drag -> translate |
| 02:02:58 | iLLf8d | 1 2 is darker |
| 02:02:59 | crs23 | ctrl+drag -> move towards/away |
| 02:03:06 | crs23 | shift+ctrl+drag -> change fov |
| 02:03:20 | crs23 | 1 2 is darker until you turn lighting on with -l |
| 02:03:29 | crs23 | that's an ELL not a 1 |
| 02:03:36 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 02:03:39 | crs23 | k |
| 02:03:40 | iLLf8d | I'm running that way |
| 02:03:45 | iLLf8d | still need -l and the 1 1 |
| 02:03:50 | iLLf8d | lemme try it w/out the -l |
| 02:04:15 | iLLf8d | works fine w/out the -l and the 1 1 |
| 02:04:22 | iLLf8d | sheesh |
| 02:04:27 | jacques_gone | seems like no ambiant lighting with 1 2 |
| 02:04:33 | jacques_gone | damit - ambiEnt |
| 02:04:33 | iLLf8d | meant not using -l, but the file has a 1 1 in it |
| 02:05:22 | iLLf8d | yeah the controls are tough |
| 02:05:45 | crs23 | the 1 1 means use the model that doesn't use (or respond to) lighting. 1 2 should respond to lighting (if turned on in bzgview) |
| 02:06:08 | iLLf8d | it may be our drivers |
| 02:06:23 | iLLf8d | with 1.7 my desktop is bright as HECK when I run it in a window |
| 02:06:37 | jacques_gone | iLLf8d: yeah i get same effect |
| 02:06:44 | jacques_gone | iLLf8d: desktop gets broight i mean |
| 02:06:45 | iLLf8d | i'm afraid i'll hurt my monitor its so bright |
| 02:06:50 | iLLf8d | so I don't run it that way |
| 02:07:10 | jacques_gone | i rnu with -window -geometry 1280x1024 |
| 02:07:21 | jacques_gone | since my native geom is 12x10 |
| 02:07:43 | jacques_gone | and when I swotch virtual desktops. the brightness goes back to normal, it works out |
| 02:08:11 | iLLf8d | ok |
| 02:08:27 | iLLf8d | now it looks like a field heh |
| 02:08:35 | iLLf8d | =) |
| 02:08:51 | iLLf8d | actually looks really cool now |
| 02:10:27 | iLLf8d | too cool |
| 02:11:07 | iLLf8d | any way to screen capture this? |
| 02:11:13 | iLLf8d | gimp mentions can't read XWD file |
| 02:11:54 | BZFlag | so we could make a world browser world. |
| 02:11:57 | jacques_gone | iLLf8d: what did you do? |
| 02:12:29 | BZFlag | it would include miniature versions of all the maps you have on table tops and let you drive around looking at them. ;-) |
| 02:12:39 | jacques_gone | use convert from imagemagick to convery xwd to something else |
| 02:13:08 | iLLf8d | it can't make the xwd file |
| 02:13:17 | jacques_gone | xwd does |
| 02:13:38 | iLLf8d | fun spinning it like a top heh |
| 02:13:41 | jacques_gone | i think imagemagick includes a grabber too - just a sec |
| 02:13:50 | BZFlag | import foo.jpg |
| 02:14:40 | iLLf8d | hmm mine says can't open as xwd file tho i'm using gimp not imagemagick |
| 02:15:13 | jacques_gone | user import |
| 02:15:22 | jacques_gone | use |
| 02:16:11 | iLLf8d | oh cool |
| 02:16:17 | iLLf8d | I didn't even know about that |
| 02:16:17 | iLLf8d | =) |
| 02:16:23 | iLLf8d | would've used it tons over the years |
| 02:16:26 | jacques_gone | :-) |
| 02:16:35 | jacques_gone | well imagemagick is not always available |
| 02:16:46 | iLLf8d | ok gotta take a shower |
| 02:16:50 | jacques_gone | iLLf8d: so how did you make it look right? |
| 02:17:04 | iLLf8d | thanks guys for all the hard work the games a blast and your new stuff looks great =) |
| 02:17:13 | iLLf8d | oh |
| 02:17:18 | iLLf8d | play with the controls tons |
| 02:17:27 | iLLf8d | I thought I could make it look right at first |
| 02:17:31 | iLLf8d | keep messing with them |
| 02:17:38 | iLLf8d | you gotta use uhm |
| 02:17:41 | jacques_gone | ok, I thought you had somehow got the ground plane to appear |
| 02:17:45 | iLLf8d | shift alot |
| 02:17:48 | iLLf8d | only and drag |
| 02:17:48 | jacques_gone | yeah ok |
| 02:17:53 | iLLf8d | to move it down |
| 02:17:59 | iLLf8d | you're way below it if I recall |
| 02:18:04 | iLLf8d | then change the fov |
| 02:18:16 | iLLf8d | shift ctrl drag |
| 02:18:20 | iLLf8d | till it looks like a normal box |
| 02:18:30 | iLLf8d | I think thats the fov one |
| 02:18:40 | jacques_gone | ok, got it, thanks |
| 02:18:55 | iLLf8d | looks normal? |
| 02:18:59 | iLLf8d | took me a while to figure it out |
| 02:19:03 | iLLf8d | ok shower bbiaf |
| 02:22:55 | jacques_gone | can we have animated billboards in worlds? with arbitrary bitmaps textured onto them? |
| 02:23:19 | crs23 | yes. GM is already one of those. |
| 02:23:36 | jacques_gone | :-) |
| 02:26:31 | BZFlag | anyway to restart an animation in bzgview? |
| 02:31:04 | BZFlag | what's the white section in the middle of models.bzg? |
| 02:31:20 | crs23 | no way to restart |
| 02:32:19 | crs23 | probably a shot billboar |
| 02:32:24 | crs23 | billboard* |
| 02:32:48 | BZFlag | spinning models looks very cool ;-) |
| 02:33:37 | crs23 | yeah, the folks at SGI figured that out 15 years ago |
| 02:33:46 | crs23 | the trackball code is about that old |
| 02:36:25 | crs23 | okay, dinner time. later. |
| 02:36:28 | BZFlag | heh. I meant models.bzg ;-) |
| 02:36:48 | crs23 | dope slaps self |
| 02:36:52 | crs23 | is away: I'm busy |
| 02:36:53 | BZFlag | heh |
| 03:01:30 | captain_proton | welcome to irc.opensplits.net! |
| 03:01:54 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 03:07:03 | BZFlag | adds 't', 'r' and 'q' to bzgview |
| 03:07:13 | captain_proton | what will those keys do? |
| 03:08:18 | BZFlag | r=reset view, t=reset time to 0.0, q=quit (like esc) |
| 03:08:42 | BZFlag | I suppose 'v' might have been better. ;-) |
| 03:09:40 | vogon_jeltz | wonders if he really has to include setPosition in the SDLWindow class |
| 03:09:56 | vogon_jeltz | I'd rather not, as it's a messy non-portable hack |
| 03:10:25 | BZFlag | hmm... using 't' on particle-test zooms. I wonder why. |
| 03:12:52 | BZFlag | so, is my cron-rebuilder on two: useful? ;-) |
| 03:23:52 | BZFlag | later. |
| 04:25:46 | breeezy | hi |
| 04:25:50 | breeezy | tomorrows my birthday |
| 04:25:56 | breeezy | and I just got banned fr |
| 04:26:01 | breeezy | from #kde on efnet |
| 04:26:06 | breeezy | I feel sad |
| 04:27:57 | jacques_gone | why were you banned? |
| 04:28:13 | jacques_gone | just minding your own business not annoying anyone I'm sure |
| 04:31:14 | breeezy | well |
| 04:31:22 | breeezy | I went there for like |
| 04:31:26 | breeezy | a week already |
| 04:31:28 | breeezy | on and off |
| 04:31:48 | breeezy | I think it is because of my programmed function that I hacked that was supposed to be humorus |
| 04:31:56 | breeezy | everybody laughed |
| 04:31:59 | breeezy | except for a few |
| 04:32:02 | breeezy | I did it like twice |
| 04:32:06 | breeezy | I hacked it into xchat |
| 04:32:09 | breeezy | so |
| 04:32:19 | breeezy | I feel bad tho |
| 04:32:24 | breeezy | I didnt really do anything wrong |
| 04:32:31 | breeezy | I went there everyday |
| 04:32:37 | breeezy | thats the thing that really gets there |
| 04:32:39 | breeezy | gets me* |
| 04:32:42 | breeezy | oh well. |
| 04:32:44 | breeezy | bye |
| 04:40:44 | jacques_gone | how fast is reverse with V relative to forward without? |
| 04:50:14 | BZFlag | never looked it up. |
| 04:51:21 | jacques_gone | BZFlag: BTW buildroot-tux is broken again |
| 05:25:30 | BZFlag | jacques_gone: what's broken? |
| 05:27:01 | jacques_gone | BZFlag: neither cvs checkout for tuxphone nor mtd work |
| 05:27:07 | jacques_gone | BZFlag: I had to do both manually |
| 05:48:06 | captain_proton | hrms |
| 05:57:35 | iLL_Away | hms |
| 05:57:41 | iLL_Away | thats like 3 times isn't it |
| 06:27:36 | BZFlag | jacques_gone: I think it's fixed now. give it a try |
| 06:39:43 | MrApathyCream | it would appear that mountain1.rgb chokes the win32 compressor somewhere in the 4th block of 4096bytes |
| 06:42:02 | BZFlag | compressor? to build the installer? |
| 06:42:28 | BZFlag | all images need to be converted over to png. |
| 06:43:05 | MrApathyCream | yes in the installer |
| 06:43:27 | MrApathyCream | in transformBurrowsWheeler |
| 06:47:44 | MrApathyCream | somewhere in the quicksort,... erg man this codes fun to debug |
| 06:48:41 | BZFlag | feel free to replace it with a libzip of something. |
| 08:00:36 | iLLf8d | sorry bout that cap |
| 08:00:38 | iLLf8d | crash and burn |
| 08:00:40 | iLLf8d | I restarted to get sound back and my screen froze |
| 08:00:46 | iLLf8d | then fsck 40G drive heh |
| 08:00:48 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 08:00:50 | iLLf8d | didn't mean to leaveya hangin |
| 08:01:46 | captain_proton | why don't you use a journaling filesystem? |
| 08:03:54 | lupinator | morning |
| 08:04:10 | lupinator | has anyone tried JFS yet? |
| 08:04:21 | captain_proton | JFS? |
| 08:04:38 | lupinator | ibm's journaling fs |
| 08:05:02 | lupinator | i've heard it's in the -ac tree now |
| 08:05:11 | captain_proton | nope |
| 08:05:11 | iLLf8d | uhm |
| 08:05:12 | vogon_jeltz | is away: TV |
| 08:05:15 | iLLf8d | dunno |
| 08:05:17 | iLLf8d | hasn't come up |
| 08:05:18 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 08:05:24 | iLLf8d | no other reason then that |
| 08:05:48 | lupinator | i was wuite confident with xfs |
| 08:05:57 | captain_proton | i like xfs =) |
| 08:06:13 | iLLf8d | do they have all the cool tools like ext2 tho |
| 08:06:31 | lupinator | only the kernels bacame a bit bloaty |
| 08:06:33 | iLLf8d | like can you unerase shit if you umount the drive? |
| 08:06:37 | iLLf8d | after an accident |
| 08:07:04 | iLLf8d | I read an article on RH's move to ext3 |
| 08:07:09 | iLLf8d | was quite interesting |
| 08:07:16 | lupinator | never tried ext3 |
| 08:07:24 | iLLf8d | tho I don't run deadrat |
| 08:07:26 | captain_proton | ext3 works pretty well |
| 08:10:51 | lupinator | does anyone of you mount /bin and that stuff as read only? |
| 08:11:26 | captain_proton | nah |
| 08:13:41 | lupinator | i think i'll try that when i have too much time |
| 08:13:51 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 08:14:03 | captain_proton | i did it for a while but it gets really annoying to have to remount whenever you want to install stuff |
| 08:15:37 | lupinator | ro for /usr and /usr/local, too? |
| 08:15:58 | captain_proton | everything but /usr/tmp and /usr/local/tmp |
| 08:16:01 | iLLf8d | what dists do you guys run? |
| 08:16:13 | captain_proton | i don't do that whole 'distro' thing |
| 08:16:22 | iLLf8d | yours is lfs? |
| 08:16:22 | lupinator | linux frmo scratch |
| 08:16:31 | iLLf8d | both of you? |
| 08:16:32 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 08:16:36 | captain_proton | well |
| 08:16:43 | captain_proton | lfs + a whole lotta stuff |
| 08:16:52 | lupinator | naturally |
| 08:17:01 | iLLf8d | didn't it take like 8 hours to install everything? |
| 08:17:20 | captain_proton | on my system i finished the base lfs in about 2:30, and everything else took about another 4 |
| 08:17:31 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 08:17:39 | lupinator | good time |
| 08:17:41 | iLLf8d | yeah i'll pass thats like installing windows heh |
| 08:17:42 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 08:17:50 | captain_proton | its a nice system =) |
| 08:17:54 | iLLf8d | takes 6 hours with the restart |
| 08:17:57 | iLLf8d | s |
| 08:18:20 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: but when installing windows - you end up with windows |
| 08:18:34 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 08:18:41 | iLLf8d | I don't run windows tho |
| 08:18:43 | lupinator | X alone took me hours because there have been cuild errors with optimizations in some packages |
| 08:18:46 | iLLf8d | I'm gonna install it for gaming tho |
| 08:18:53 | captain_proton | yeah...gotta be careful w/ x |
| 08:19:34 | lupinator | and i learned that you don't want to run make World when one package failed |
| 08:19:54 | iLLf8d | you guys ever look into sorcerer or gentoo? |
| 08:20:01 | lupinator | nope |
| 08:20:16 | captain_proton | no |
| 08:21:22 | captain_proton | it seems like distros that do that take all the fun out of it |
| 08:22:10 | lupinator | captain_proton: i guess you scripted or used alfs or something |
| 08:22:23 | captain_proton | no, just lots of typing |
| 08:22:35 | captain_proton | i do have the build environment scripted though |
| 08:22:36 | iLLf8d | http://sorcerer.wox.org/ |
| 08:22:37 | iLLf8d | woa |
| 08:22:37 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 08:22:44 | iLLf8d | something bad must've gone down |
| 08:22:53 | iLLf8d | I know a few people who ran it and loved it |
| 08:24:09 | lupinator | i gave up on alfs after i figured out, that i have to do a lot of manual stuff because i fscked up the instructions |
| 08:24:38 | captain_proton | alfs sounds like sorcerer without all the convenience =| |
| 08:26:00 | lupinator | got to go now |
| 08:26:01 | lupinator | later |
| 09:57:43 | Chestal | re |
| 11:12:48 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzzzzzZzzzz.... |
| 14:09:07 | vogon_jeltz | is away: ... to sleep, perchance to not be so damn sleepy when I wake up |
| 15:47:44 | Chestal | just was on Chardon., it really sucks |
| 15:47:56 | Chestal | several people with >1s lag and atleast 1 obvious cheater |
| 15:48:24 | captain_proton | yep |
| 15:48:54 | Chestal | and the cheater seems to be a regular on this server |
| 15:50:13 | captain_proton | who? |
| 15:50:23 | Chestal | he had some big number as callsign |
| 15:50:29 | Chestal | tank was goign way too fast |
| 15:50:35 | captain_proton | ohh yeah |
| 15:50:40 | captain_proton | i've seen him everywhere |
| 15:50:47 | captain_proton | booted him off ducati a couple days ago |
| 15:51:05 | Chestal | hmm, I never meet the cheaters on ducati |
| 15:51:12 | Chestal | only sam peopel with bad attitude |
| 15:51:20 | Chestal | sam -> some |
| 15:51:42 | captain_proton | i only saw him there once |
| 15:51:56 | captain_proton | he moved way too fast and his shots were at about mach 6 |
| 15:52:34 | Chestal | before that I've been to the server with the empty field |
| 15:52:44 | Chestal | that sucked, too. Laser flags+empty field+rico = death |
| 15:52:48 | Chestal | and laaaaag |
| 15:52:52 | captain_proton | yep |
| 15:53:00 | captain_proton | i don't know why people put up servers on 56k <g> |
| 16:59:56 | jacques | :-( |
| 17:00:00 | captain_proton | ? |
| 17:00:10 | jacques | still flags on decks |
| 17:00:24 | jacques | i always went there to escape the GM and L |
| 17:01:08 | captain_proton | i'll change it soon |
| 17:01:15 | captain_proton | i needed to have some blood |
| 17:01:23 | jacques | blood? |
| 17:01:27 | captain_proton | kills |
| 17:01:42 | jacques | ah |
| 17:01:44 | captain_proton | its a much faster-paced game with flags there |
| 17:01:58 | jacques | yes it is |
| 17:03:04 | captain_proton | damn... |
| 17:03:16 | captain_proton | i can't use a maximum shot setting of 0 |
| 17:03:18 | jacques | i would not mind if there was no laser and GM |
| 17:08:40 | jacques | at least without flags I dont think ppl are cheating by getting whatever flags they want |
| 17:08:51 | jacques | some ppl have uncanny ability to get GM and L |
| 17:08:56 | jacques | and ST when someone else has BM |
| 17:08:57 | jacques | GM |
| 17:09:01 | captain_proton | well... |
| 17:09:08 | captain_proton | flags stick around for 3 pickups |
| 17:09:26 | captain_proton | so there tend to be stints where people get GM a few times in a row |
| 17:40:13 | jacques | i am seeinf weird shit on decks |
| 17:40:20 | jacques | ppl with 200 lag are warping |
| 17:41:04 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 17:41:15 | jacques | esp when they jump |
| 17:41:37 | jacques | they are on ground, i shoot at them, they aresuddenly up in air - warped |
| 17:43:53 | jacques | and my lag is 81 |
| 17:44:45 | captain_proton | lagstats is a horrible measure |
| 17:45:00 | captain_proton | it only measures tcp, so the number of lost udp packets doesn't factor into it at all |
| 17:45:38 | jacques | oh wow nobody ever explained that to me before |
| 17:46:00 | jacques | but it's the only measure we have, right? |
| 17:46:03 | captain_proton | thats why 1.8 will be so much better =) |
| 17:46:06 | captain_proton | right now, yes |
| 17:46:13 | captain_proton | 1.8 will have a ping message |
| 17:46:32 | captain_proton | and it will use its own guaranteed delivery system so it can keep track of lost packets & stuff |
| 17:47:03 | jacques | that will be great |
| 18:06:32 | jacques | there is a guy named Snake |
| 18:06:42 | jacques | he is paused sitting in the corner |
| 18:06:58 | jacques | and he keeps dropping a grabbing differnt flags - WITHOUT MOVING |
| 18:07:24 | captain_proton | that isn't paused |
| 18:07:27 | captain_proton | its a network bug |
| 18:07:29 | captain_proton | ask him to reboot |
| 18:08:21 | jacques | im sure he will do it just for my benefit |
| 18:08:38 | captain_proton | he can't see any of the other tanks either |
| 18:08:46 | captain_proton | everybody is blackhatted to him |
| 18:09:15 | jacques | aah I think I have been in that situation |
| 18:09:22 | jacques | but on linux |
| 18:09:33 | captain_proton | on linux its probably due to firewall issues |
| 18:09:52 | jacques | yes that's what I thought because it only happened at work |
| 18:10:02 | jacques | but it does not happen always - do you know why? |
| 18:10:18 | captain_proton | possibly it chooses a firewalled udp port |
| 18:16:39 | jacques | OK i just got killed by Snake |
| 18:16:49 | captain_proton | i'll come |
| 18:16:50 | jacques | but he was invisible |
| 18:16:57 | captain_proton | (that was luck) |
| 18:17:05 | captain_proton | puts on the pi soundtrack and goes to fire up bz |
| 18:18:18 | jacques | i just got killed by him again |
| 18:18:21 | jacques | great luck |
| 18:37:58 | jacques | four times now |
| 18:38:10 | jacques | can you see him? am I the only one having the problem? |
| 19:17:58 | Valoche | hi |
| 19:18:10 | Valoche | is going to kill someone |
| 19:50:40 | Phactorial | Hey... |
| 19:51:09 | Phactorial | lol...bzflag music will be nice once it's done shaping up :D |
| 20:28:35 | captain_proton | hi timmy |
| 22:49:12 | Chestal | hi |
| 22:58:51 | jacques_gone | hi |
| 22:59:01 | jacques | aaaah, got my nick back |
| 23:05:16 | Chestal | ah, it's after midnight |
| 23:05:42 | Chestal | sticks a 'Today is my Birthday'-sticker to himself |
| 23:07:00 | jacques | Chestal: Happy Birthday! |
| 23:07:09 | Chestal | jacques: thank you, how do you know? ;-) |
| 23:07:22 | jacques | heh |
| 23:28:07 | Chestal | good n8 |
| 23:46:59 | captain_proton | good nate? |
| 23:47:07 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 23:47:29 | scanline | is back (gone 12:34:41) |
| 23:48:21 | captain_proton | i get lab space tomorrow =) |