| 00:43:43 | scanline | is back (gone 00:44:34) |
| 01:39:12 | iLLf8d | woa cap you doing something on your server? |
| 01:39:15 | iLLf8d | was getting 1350ms lag times for the first time ever heh |
| 01:39:20 | iLLf8d | dunno if its you or me |
| 02:17:05 | BZFlag | cvs commits that may fix udp on the way... |
| 02:26:22 | BZFlag | anyone around? I need another tester on two |
| 02:26:30 | BZFlag | cvs up first. |
| 02:29:25 | iLLf8d | hey anyone know gerbils name on aim icq yahoomessenger etc... |
| 02:30:23 | BZFlag | nope. |
| 02:30:44 | BZFlag | well, give a holler when anyone is ready to test 1.8 cvs on two. |
| 03:17:53 | | BZFlag is TimRiker or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ debian arm linux contains a version that will run on the ipaq at like 6 fps |
| 03:17:53 | crs23 | ibot BZFlag |
| 03:17:54 | iLLf8d | just tried it bzflag |
| 03:18:04 | iLLf8d | lockedup on me |
| 03:19:45 | | i heard BZFlag was TimRiker or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ debian arm linux contains a version that will run on the ipaq at like 6 fps |
| 03:19:45 | crs23 | ibot where is BZFlag |
| 03:27:27 | | BZFlag was last seen on #bzflag 0 seconds ago, saying: ibot seen BZFlag [Mon Mar 11 03:27:27 2002] |
| 03:27:27 | BZFlag | ibot seen BZFlag |
| 03:27:38 | crs23 | ahh! |
| 03:27:54 | BZFlag | saw my net changes? |
| 03:28:02 | BZFlag | multicast is gone, as is reconnect. |
| 03:28:27 | BZFlag | udp is just a simple ack to get the client port, which should be the same as the client tcp port. |
| 03:28:28 | crs23 | i'm about to add a file written by someone else but using GPL. is there any file where we should announce we're using it? |
| 03:28:41 | crs23 | cool! |
| 03:29:15 | BZFlag | not at presemt. if we add other gpled sources the alleged future playstation version will be tougher to do. |
| 03:29:19 | BZFlag | what file? |
| 03:29:42 | crs23 | it's a tree data structure in the STL style |
| 03:29:50 | BZFlag | ah. |
| 03:30:00 | crs23 | written by kasper peeters. pretty nice. |
| 03:33:05 | BZFlag | any chance he'd assign copyright to a "good cause" ? |
| 03:33:10 | BZFlag | ;-) |
| 03:33:25 | crs23 | heh. i'm using it unedited and it works fine. |
| 03:33:43 | crs23 | i've finished replacing the XML parsing. not much fun but it's done. |
| 03:33:44 | BZFlag | AUTHORS should probably be expanded to include everyone that has played a part and what. |
| 03:33:49 | crs23 | agreed |
| 03:34:00 | BZFlag | I always wonder who the names in the credits are. ;-) |
| 03:34:16 | crs23 | okay, here we go... |
| 03:35:03 | crs23 | hoeferlin, hubina, myers, olson are people i don't know that contributed code to 1.7 |
| 03:35:34 | crs23 | kartch, lengyel, smits, spencer were in the cornell graphics grad program when i was |
| 03:35:49 | crs23 | strauss ported to the 3Dfx cards |
| 03:36:05 | crs23 | cohen is a friend from cornell who made the tank models |
| 03:36:35 | crs23 | novins, pasetto, trumbore, shaw were also graphics grad students, but didn't contribute code. |
| 03:36:59 | crs23 | shaw was my officemate and graciously put up with all the noise from the game |
| 03:37:24 | crs23 | rosen was a former coworker with some good suggestions |
| 03:37:31 | BZFlag | ..... |
| 03:37:37 | BZFlag | put it in authors. ;-) |
| 03:38:01 | crs23 | eh, maybe. |
| 03:38:30 | BZFlag | ChangeLog has a lot of credits as well, some are in authors some are not. |
| 03:39:13 | BZFlag | I'd like to see consistant naming in ChangeLog, with full contact info (if contributor wants) in authors. |
| 03:39:26 | crs23 | that'd be nice |
| 03:39:27 | BZFlag | real high priority issue huh |
| 03:39:30 | BZFlag | ;-) |
| 03:39:47 | BZFlag | well, did you do a cvs up and merge yet? |
| 03:40:00 | crs23 | btw, lengyel added the jumping. |
| 03:40:17 | crs23 | no, i'm editing DEVINFO then i need to fix the win32 build. |
| 03:41:18 | BZFlag | copies crs23's comments verbatim into authors. ;-) |
| 03:41:24 | crs23 | d'oh! |
| 03:41:27 | BZFlag | heh |
| 03:48:01 | BZFlag | well new udp code seems to work at least. I wish I had a tester or two to test with for a while. |
| 03:48:19 | crs23 | sorry. i'm just about to go start dinner and watch the simpsons. |
| 03:48:25 | BZFlag | thoughts on how to do the new bots? |
| 03:48:34 | BZFlag | that would work for me if we had em. |
| 03:50:59 | crs23 | no, but i know a google search should turn up somebody's thoughts. i saw a link once but didn't review it. |
| 03:51:16 | crs23 | okay, now how do i indicate that i'm gone again? |
| 03:53:10 | crs23 | is away: I'm busy |
| 05:12:28 | captain_proton | hey apathy |
| 05:15:36 | MrApathyCream | hey |
| 05:16:14 | captain_proton | whats up? |
| 05:21:14 | MrApathyCream | tryin' tim's updates |
| 05:22:28 | captain_proton | what did he change? |
| 05:23:07 | MrApathyCream | looks like he twiddled with udp stuff |
| 05:23:21 | MrApathyCream | hmm local server still aint working.. |
| 05:24:55 | MrApathyCream | erg MsgDropFlag against his server foobared |
| 05:25:20 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 05:25:58 | MrApathyCream | i HATE that this client is unresponsive |
| 05:26:08 | MrApathyCream | are we missing some glidle function or something? |
| 05:26:19 | MrApathyCream | damn frustrating |
| 05:26:34 | captain_proton | dunno |
| 05:27:39 | MrApathyCream | guess i'll go back and hybernate in my 1.8 hole for awhile |
| 05:27:46 | MrApathyCream | s/1.8/1.7/ |
| 05:27:50 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 06:02:38 | crs23 | is back (gone 02:09:26) |
| 06:05:06 | captain_proton | wb crs |
| 06:06:04 | scanline | hmm... can't bring myself to actually get anything done on this project :( |
| 06:06:08 | scanline | maybe i'll play bzflag instead! |
| 06:06:21 | captain_proton | scanline: which server? |
| 06:06:28 | scanline | looks at the list |
| 06:06:49 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 06:07:04 | scanline | joins turkey.moongroup.com |
| 06:08:08 | crs23 | hey |
| 06:08:15 | vogon_jeltz | yo, crs |
| 06:08:34 | captain_proton | wtf? i error out on join every time |
| 06:11:00 | crs23 | captain_proton: 1.8 or 1.7? |
| 06:11:10 | crs23 | oh, nevermind. turkey... |
| 06:11:14 | captain_proton | crs23: 1.7 connecting to turkey |
| 06:11:16 | captain_proton | same errors? |
| 06:11:50 | crs23 | yep |
| 06:12:48 | crs23 | would a change that lost existing .bzflag files be okay for ya all? you'd lose any non-default configuration. |
| 06:13:31 | captain_proton | what do you mean? |
| 06:14:36 | crs23 | existing .bzflag config files would fail to parse, losing stuff like key bindings and set variables. |
| 06:15:38 | crs23 | new bindings and variables would be saved and restored after that, though. |
| 06:16:00 | captain_proton | that was happening earlier until we changed to a temp. file for 1.8 |
| 06:16:38 | crs23 | true... i guess it's okay then. it's a development release, after all. these things are to be expected, right? |
| 06:16:41 | iLLf8d | uhm? |
| 06:17:11 | captain_proton | how about you do it with a temporary name for now as to not wipe out 1.7 configs |
| 06:17:11 | iLLf8d | hey that'd be great =) |
| 06:17:24 | iLLf8d | seems that 1.8 keeps overwriting my config and I lose my radar colors heh |
| 06:17:42 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: as of a couple days ago 1.8 shouldn't overwrite .bzflag |
| 06:17:43 | iLLf8d | nvidia their all pastels some almost white and makes it a bitch to see people |
| 06:17:47 | crs23 | oh, it won't touch 1.7 stuff. someone already fixed that. it should use .bzflag18 now. |
| 06:18:43 | iLLf8d | cool |
| 06:19:07 | iLLf8d | I can't wait till you put in callsign server or key it or whatever |
| 06:19:19 | crs23 | okay, i'll commit the change soon. maybe tomorrow morning. i still have to get the win32 build going. |
| 06:19:39 | iLLf8d | someone impersonating gerbil today said some nasty shit to me, thought it was the real gerbil I emailed him said he wasn't on |
| 06:20:07 | iLLf8d | dunno why people gotta be such fuckers |
| 06:20:13 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: yeah he was complaining about that |
| 06:20:26 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: you ought to have told him your IM in a direct mesg |
| 06:20:44 | iLLf8d | well it wasn't IM it was on the field |
| 06:20:56 | iLLf8d | kinda pissed me off |
| 06:21:26 | crs23 | do you think we can add some kind of crypto to verify identities? there'd have to be a trusted registry, i guess. |
| 06:21:42 | iLLf8d | rsa keys heh |
| 06:21:43 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 06:21:48 | captain_proton | we were just thinking username/password |
| 06:21:59 | captain_proton | have the database integrated with the list server |
| 06:22:01 | iLLf8d | I think we need dna analysis |
| 06:22:07 | iLLf8d | muwahaha |
| 06:22:15 | crs23 | could be too easy to sniff. challenge/response is better. |
| 06:22:20 | captain_proton | i recently saw an ad for a laptop with an integrated fingerprint scanner |
| 06:23:02 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 06:23:05 | captain_proton | ssh? ;) |
| 06:23:10 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 06:23:14 | iLLf8d | hey rsa keys are nice |
| 06:23:18 | iLLf8d | or dsa |
| 06:23:49 | captain_proton | aes ;) |
| 06:24:05 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 06:24:38 | crs23 | so, captain_proton, i've got good news and bad news... |
| 06:24:46 | iLLf8d | what about taht voice recognition can't you just build it into the bzflag voice command module? I mean its gonna be nice to have that sexy chicks voice give you damage status reports |
| 06:24:55 | captain_proton | crs23: whats that? |
| 06:24:58 | crs23 | good news is the XML changes are going in... |
| 06:25:16 | captain_proton | bad news? |
| 06:25:32 | crs23 | the bad news is that XMLTree as presented was unsatisfactory so i rewrote it. |
| 06:25:40 | captain_proton | no prob |
| 06:25:56 | captain_proton | the only request this guy had was that i send any changes back to hi, |
| 06:25:58 | captain_proton | him* |
| 06:26:12 | crs23 | it follows the XML spec closer than your friend's anyway |
| 06:26:22 | crs23 | sure, he can have the changes |
| 06:26:23 | captain_proton | ahh cool |
| 06:26:51 | crs23 | there are a few deviations from XML... |
| 06:27:00 | captain_proton | like? |
| 06:27:13 | crs23 | no DTD's and ASCII only |
| 06:27:21 | captain_proton | ahh yeah of course |
| 06:27:25 | crs23 | also added a <!INCLUDE> tag to inline a file |
| 06:27:34 | crs23 | and i allow multiple top-level tags |
| 06:27:39 | captain_proton | DTD's are the bane of XML's existance |
| 06:28:22 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 06:28:30 | captain_proton | you wouldn't happen to know of any tutorials on boot loaders? |
| 06:28:43 | crs23 | hmm, not off hand. |
| 06:29:55 | iLLf8d | sure like what grub? |
| 06:30:03 | iLLf8d | I know of 2 |
| 06:30:10 | iLLf8d | ibmdevnet has a good one |
| 06:30:10 | captain_proton | um, i guess |
| 06:30:21 | captain_proton | a tutorial on writing them? =} |
| 06:30:25 | iLLf8d | oh |
| 06:30:25 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 06:30:30 | iLLf8d | don't think so |
| 06:30:32 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 06:30:54 | iLLf8d | sorry thought you meant on installing using one |
| 06:31:21 | captain_proton | no - i can manage that ;) |
| 06:33:23 | crs23 | gotta boot into win32 to check my changes there. bye now. |
| 08:00:32 | captain_proton | bah |
| 09:06:32 | captain_proton | still up? |
| 09:08:48 | scanline | is awake |
| 09:09:04 | captain_proton | whatcha up to this late? |
| 09:09:52 | scanline | supposed to be working on a project for Exadigm... instead i find myself watching anime and the Simpsons while trying to compile picogui on an old macintosh |
| 09:10:09 | captain_proton | exadigm? |
| 09:10:20 | scanline | they make wireless credit card terminals |
| 09:10:25 | scanline | and they're using picogui |
| 09:10:43 | captain_proton | interesting |
| 09:11:23 | scanline | hehe.. "Try a little vitamin G".. "relax, it's a controlled burn" |
| 09:11:30 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 09:12:01 | captain_proton | hey scanline - know of any good books on the i386 protected mode? |
| 09:12:56 | scanline | hm... i have one that talks about writing a 32-bit OS for x86, but i think it's in Parker |
| 09:13:13 | scanline | kinda old, but i guess for x86 it doesn't matter :) |
| 09:13:28 | captain_proton | don't suppose you know the title/author(s)? |
| 09:13:52 | vogon_jeltz | starts working on the SDL renderer again |
| 09:14:30 | captain_proton | wants to know what to do after switching to protected mode |
| 09:14:31 | scanline | hmm... here it is |
| 09:14:36 | scanline | http://www.sensorypublishing.com/mmurtl.html |
| 09:15:13 | scanline | there are probably better books on it though |
| 09:16:10 | captain_proton | checks chinook |
| 09:17:31 | captain_proton | Lamb, Marion M. - Your first year of teaching shorthand and transcription |
| 09:17:36 | captain_proton | bah |
| 09:17:58 | scanline | grr.... |
| 09:18:00 | vogon_jeltz | grr... what, exactly, do I have to do to hook the SDL renderer into BZFlag proper? |
| 09:18:10 | scanline | pgserver source tree is 6996k, i have 1454k free... |
| 09:18:55 | vogon_jeltz | what, are you trying to put it on a floppy? :P |
| 09:19:03 | captain_proton | slim it down...change all symbols to permuations on 3 alphanumeric characters =) |
| 09:19:08 | scanline | hehe |
| 09:19:13 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: booyah! |
| 09:19:31 | scanline | i'm trying to fit in on the old mac. Built in hard disk was no good, so i've got Debian installed on a zip disk |
| 09:19:53 | scanline | deletes junk like the Japanese Unicode font |
| 09:20:06 | scanline | of course i could just cross-compile this |
| 09:20:11 | scanline | but i'm adventurous... or something |
| 09:20:15 | vogon_jeltz | scratches his head and tries to figure out how he's going to get BZFlag to use the SDL renderer |
| 09:20:16 | captain_proton | cross compiling is for weenies |
| 09:20:22 | scanline | uh huh :) |
| 09:20:31 | scanline | ooh.. japanese font is 3MB |
| 09:20:32 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: what exactly are you confused about? |
| 09:20:34 | scanline | deletes |
| 09:20:47 | fontenot | wow my dsl finally came back up |
| 09:20:52 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 09:20:53 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: I've got the SDLDisplay/SDLWindow classes, and now I have to figure out how to get the program to use them |
| 09:21:20 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: um...how about the same way it uses the other Display/Window classes ? |
| 09:21:26 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 09:21:29 | captain_proton | grins |
| 09:21:30 | vogon_jeltz | and that is? ;) |
| 09:23:06 | captain_proton | considers writing a program for the computers in the microlab that disables A20 |
| 09:23:28 | fontenot | sigh |
| 09:23:40 | fontenot | why do servers allow ppl with lags of 777 and 3500ms ? |
| 09:24:00 | captain_proton | because we're too lazy to add to our command lines? |
| 09:24:08 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 09:24:25 | fontenot | i hate having to remember how much lag each player has |
| 09:24:33 | fontenot | so I can shoot that far in advance |
| 09:24:47 | fontenot | too much mental effort to remember different leads for each player |
| 09:24:53 | captain_proton | oooooo |
| 09:24:57 | captain_proton | http://www.midpec.com/djgpp/protmode/ |
| 09:25:16 | scanline | neato! |
| 09:25:57 | captain_proton | bookmarks |
| 09:26:44 | fontenot | heh, sometimes it's fun to just sit at the press start screen and watch the game in the radar |
| 09:27:28 | fontenot | i wish I could have a screensaver like that |
| 09:27:34 | captain_proton | fontenot: its even more fun to compile it with roaming enabled and watch the game in 3d |
| 09:27:47 | fontenot | captain_proton: OOH DO TELL |
| 09:28:00 | vogon_jeltz | add -DROAMING to the defines line in the makefile |
| 09:28:02 | captain_proton | make ROAMING=1 |
| 09:28:07 | vogon_jeltz | or that |
| 09:28:18 | captain_proton | then its a series of secret keys to roam around in 3d |
| 09:28:33 | scanline | hehe, grep the source for ROAMING to find out? |
| 09:28:40 | captain_proton | probably |
| 09:28:42 | vogon_jeltz | that's how I did it |
| 09:28:50 | fontenot | cool I'm gonna do that |
| 09:28:56 | captain_proton | i think it was insert/home/page up/etc |
| 09:29:10 | fontenot | i assume I'll be invisible and not show on radar? |
| 09:29:23 | vogon_jeltz | nope |
| 09:29:38 | vogon_jeltz | you'll still be in your normal tank, just looking out on the world from a different point of view |
| 09:29:52 | vogon_jeltz | we could always implement observer-only functionality, but we're lazy like that |
| 09:30:00 | captain_proton | A20 is the stupidest piece of design work i've ever seen |
| 09:30:08 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: we probably will for 1.8 sometime |
| 09:30:16 | scanline | captain_proton: it's x86 |
| 09:30:16 | vogon_jeltz | yo mama is the stupidest piece of design work I've ever seen |
| 09:30:22 | vogon_jeltz | ;) |
| 09:30:28 | captain_proton | scanline: they routed it through the farking keyboard controller?!?! |
| 09:30:31 | captain_proton | shakes his head |
| 09:30:33 | scanline | yep |
| 09:31:13 | captain_proton | hates compatiblility |
| 09:31:32 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, everyone should have to buy one type of computer to make everything easier on you! |
| 09:31:53 | captain_proton | exactly |
| 09:32:01 | vogon_jeltz | well, that backfired |
| 09:32:35 | captain_proton | i'm confused - was that a feeble attempt to show me the error of my ways? |
| 09:32:36 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 09:32:44 | scanline | prefers portable code anyway |
| 09:32:44 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 09:33:38 | vogon_jeltz | well, I've got something That I Think Will Compile (tm) |
| 09:33:51 | vogon_jeltz | s/s/S/ |
| 09:34:01 | scanline | ooh... |
| 09:34:04 | scanline | uninstalls perl on the mac |
| 09:34:24 | fontenot | oh, so roaming is not a way to observe the game? :-( |
| 09:34:28 | scanline | oh yeah, need that to compile picogui... darn. |
| 09:34:33 | vogon_jeltz | now, if I could figure out how to merge it into the flipping source tree, I'd get a chance to test my hypothesis |
| 09:34:50 | fontenot | wow 12 ppl on the server now |
| 09:35:08 | fontenot | all with pings > 300 :-\ |
| 09:35:18 | captain_proton | fontenot: well, it is |
| 09:35:23 | captain_proton | fontenot: but your tank is vulnerable |
| 09:35:34 | captain_proton | fontenot: if you don't care about your score, it works fine ;) |
| 09:36:01 | vogon_jeltz | plus, if you get killed, the camera goes back to your tank's POV |
| 09:36:11 | fontenot | captain_proton: ah I want to observe the game without affecting it |
| 09:36:13 | vogon_jeltz | flupping A |
| 09:36:26 | fontenot | would be nice to be able to follow the pov of the leader |
| 09:36:27 | vogon_jeltz | this is really starting to piss me off |
| 09:36:35 | fontenot | that would make a killer screensaver |
| 09:36:51 | captain_proton | um...i think it was valoche |
| 09:36:52 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: I might take a break from the SDL shizzity to do something more fun |
| 09:37:05 | captain_proton | some guy implemented a follow mode for roaming |
| 09:37:07 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: f'rinstance, the observer thing :) |
| 09:37:24 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: observers should just be handled through a proxy |
| 09:37:33 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: which I will write |
| 09:37:38 | captain_proton | in my oh-so-humble opinion ;) |
| 09:37:47 | fontenot | would be awesome to be able to observe tourneys |
| 09:38:09 | fontenot | without affecting server bandwidth |
| 09:38:23 | fontenot | server->proxy->observers |
| 09:38:27 | captain_proton | sets his alarm for approximatly 5 hours from now |
| 09:39:01 | fontenot | thinks about finding food. which will be difficult at 1:41am. |
| 09:40:26 | captain_proton | ok...time for sleep |
| 09:40:35 | scanline | g'night |
| 09:40:45 | captain_proton | goodnight everyone |
| 09:40:56 | fontenot | nn captain_proton |
| 09:41:43 | vogon_jeltz | nn, cappy |
| 11:49:08 | fontenot | what causes "error downloading world database" ? |
| 12:33:38 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzzzzzz |
| 12:49:07 | vogon_jeltz | is away: feh |
| 13:52:07 | Labhras | hi all |
| 13:55:55 | fontenot | hi Labhras |
| 14:13:06 | Chestal | what a beautiful day it is here |
| 14:13:58 | fontenot | not here |
| 14:14:01 | fontenot | overcast |
| 14:15:08 | Labhras | yes, its a nice day |
| 14:15:10 | Labhras | :-) |
| 14:15:14 | Chestal | only a few clouds here, sunny and just the right temperature, have been drinking my tea outside |
| 14:15:27 | Labhras | where are you from ? |
| 14:15:54 | Chestal | Kreuztal, near SIegen, near Koeln, Germany |
| 14:16:03 | Labhras | ok |
| 14:16:26 | Labhras | drink a tea for me ;- |
| 14:16:30 | Labhras | ;-) |
| 14:17:08 | Chestal | what flavour of tea do you want? |
| 14:17:26 | Labhras | Hearl Grey, please |
| 14:17:59 | Chestal | I guess I have one of those left here, good idea |
| 14:18:09 | Labhras | :-) |
| 14:18:37 | MrApathyCream | The duck will take green tea |
| 14:21:53 | Chestal | no duck here |
| 14:22:16 | Chestal | uh, only one bag of earl grey left, that's bad |
| 14:23:34 | Chestal | MrApathyCream: is the curent version supposed to work? last time I checked, player segfaulted on flag drop |
| 14:24:13 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: Against what server? |
| 14:24:45 | Chestal | Tim's, but he had just updated and restarted, I will try again with the current version |
| 14:25:30 | Chestal | btw., I have seen complaingign that 1.8 is unresponsive for you, can you give more details on that? it sucks with software rendering for me, but at home, it's fine |
| 14:26:49 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: I ask, because was wondering if tim hadn't upgraded server |
| 14:26:56 | MrApathyCream | bummer if he did |
| 14:27:04 | MrApathyCream | As for non-responsive. |
| 14:27:25 | MrApathyCream | I can't debug at all, once the client is deactivated, it never re-activates |
| 14:27:39 | MrApathyCream | So switching in and out of the debugger is impossible |
| 14:28:09 | MrApathyCream | Also it appears that you can't use local servers anymore |
| 14:29:11 | Chestal | hmm, I never tried to run bz within a debugger |
| 14:29:27 | Chestal | but I used a local server (started manually) with 1.8 a few days ago |
| 14:29:30 | MrApathyCream | Erg, i see what the problem is with flag drop....hold on |
| 14:32:20 | MrApathyCream | You can switch between xchat and bzflag with no problems? |
| 14:32:53 | Chestal | well, at home I run it full screen, so I cannot switch at all (which sucks) |
| 14:33:03 | Chestal | at work I run it on a 2nd X server, so I just switch x servers |
| 14:33:25 | fontenot | i run a wm which supports multiple virtual desktops |
| 14:33:43 | fontenot | then I run bzflag in -window mode at native -geometry |
| 14:33:48 | fontenot | and I can switch just fine |
| 14:34:11 | Chestal | it would be nice to be able to iconfiny a full-screen bzflag when paused or dead |
| 14:34:27 | MrApathyCream | hmm, just did a commit, but didn't get any 'sending email notifications' |
| 14:34:38 | Chestal | hmm |
| 14:35:22 | Chestal | cvs update didn't update anything |
| 14:35:54 | MrApathyCream | You can do this in windows (at least with 1.7!!) |
| 14:36:06 | MrApathyCream | hm, i guess i'll commit again |
| 14:36:29 | Chestal | try, commit shouldn't do anything if there are no differences anyway |
| 14:38:02 | Chestal | what do you think about breakign bzfs.cxx into several files? |
| 14:38:03 | MrApathyCream | didn't do anything... checking sourceforge browse cvs |
| 14:38:14 | MrApathyCream | bzfs multifiles -> good idea |
| 14:38:22 | Chestal | are you sure you cahnged anythign and saved the file? :-) |
| 14:39:14 | MrApathyCream | Hmmm, i'll do a diff |
| 14:40:04 | MrApathyCream | whooops, duh tried to check in the wrong file :) *blush* |
| 14:41:05 | MrApathyCream | works well when you pick the right file |
| 14:41:09 | MrApathyCream | should be there now |
| 14:41:18 | Chestal | ah, got a new Serverlink.cxx this time |
| 14:44:39 | Chestal | hmm, tryign to make my 1.8 server public, not working yet |
| 14:44:49 | MrApathyCream | goes off to the coal mines, --> day job |
| 16:51:46 | captain_proton | comes back from class |
| 16:59:32 | captain_proton | rofl |
| 16:59:49 | captain_proton | JegLag was accusing me of lagging because he couldn't hit me |
| 16:59:52 | captain_proton | on my own server |
| 17:11:04 | captain_proton | hrm...i have a ping of all of about...30 usec? |
| 17:11:05 | captain_proton | hehehe |
| 18:42:47 | captain_proton | hey crs |
| 18:42:52 | crs23 | hey captain_proton |
| 18:43:23 | Chestal | hiya |
| 18:43:35 | crs23 | hey Chestal |
| 18:44:56 | Chestal | who is kim? |
| 18:45:12 | captain_proton | kim? |
| 18:46:12 | Chestal | he was on my public 1.8 server some minutes ago |
| 18:54:21 | captain_proton | crs23: it looks like i've got all the quads facing the same direction now in the particle system but it still doesn't billboard them right |
| 18:54:34 | crs23 | grr... is there any simple way to cvs commit the entire source tree minus a file or two? find | grep | xargs? |
| 18:54:55 | captain_proton | what do you mean minus? |
| 18:55:07 | crs23 | there are a few files i *don't* want to commit |
| 18:56:09 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 18:56:23 | captain_proton | dunno..i'm not really a cvs expert |
| 18:56:36 | captain_proton | care to take a look at my particles tree? =} |
| 18:56:42 | crs23 | me neither. personally i think perforce rocks. |
| 18:57:24 | crs23 | yeah, i've got about 40 minutes, i think. send it over and i'll look at it as soon as i commit. |
| 18:58:07 | captain_proton | i switched back to using the modelXFormStack because with the changes you had me do i didn't get anything at all |
| 18:58:46 | captain_proton | you've got a respectable pipe |
| 18:59:46 | crs23 | yeah. DSL and i get up to 300k/s. |
| 19:00:52 | captain_proton | i have 6 test files - data/test[1-6].bzg |
| 19:01:02 | captain_proton | each has some slightly different particle effects |
| 19:01:09 | captain_proton | you probably have to rotate around to see them |
| 19:01:15 | crs23 | k |
| 19:01:20 | captain_proton | look most at 4 and 6 (they last the longest) |
| 19:02:13 | crs23 | the XML changes are committed |
| 19:02:16 | Chestal | crs: ah, you added the nasty for define hack :-) |
| 19:03:37 | crs23 | i see you sent the entire tree. building now... |
| 19:04:49 | captain_proton | bzflag takes longer to build now =| |
| 19:06:11 | crs23 | gcc is pretty honkin' slow. still, it doesn't take too long. alomst done here. |
| 19:06:16 | crs23 | building that is. |
| 19:07:49 | crs23 | starts reading code... |
| 19:09:04 | crs23 | first thing... your random velocity vectors are biased towards the poles |
| 19:09:14 | captain_proton | probably |
| 19:28:20 | captain_proton | any clues about billboarding? |
| 19:28:54 | crs23 | i think there's a another bug preventing the billboarding from working. hang on. |
| 19:55:01 | crs23 | okay, fixed. i'll try to send you a patch file... |
| 19:55:14 | captain_proton | fixed? =} |
| 19:55:49 | crs23 | yes. billboarding works and i fixed the other bug preventing billboards from working. |
| 19:55:59 | captain_proton | niiiice |
| 19:56:17 | captain_proton | cant wait to start creating particle effects in-game |
| 19:56:27 | crs23 | the bug was a bogus calculation of location, causing NaNs |
| 19:56:36 | captain_proton | i see |
| 19:56:43 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 19:56:51 | captain_proton | dcc looks like its being interrupted by a firewall |
| 19:57:05 | crs23 | what port to i have to open? |
| 19:57:09 | captain_proton | is this diffed against cvs? (ie new XML stuff) |
| 19:57:14 | captain_proton | dcc is ephemeral port =| |
| 19:57:16 | crs23 | no, against your stuff |
| 19:57:28 | crs23 | k. i'll put it on my web site. hang on. |
| 19:58:16 | crs23 | it's http://groundhog.pair.com/bz/particle-diff |
| 19:58:47 | captain_proton | patches |
| 19:59:05 | crs23 | there was also a minor bug computing initial velocity (you used a cos where you meant sin) |
| 19:59:31 | crs23 | i fixed test4.bzg to display better. i didn't fix or even try the other test files. |
| 20:04:32 | crs23 | captain_proton: i have to go in a few minutes. how's it going? |
| 20:08:25 | crs23 | hope it's working. bye. |
| 20:18:19 | captain_proton | going good |
| 20:18:19 | captain_proton | it looks nice ;) |
| 20:19:14 | captain_proton | argh |
| 20:21:28 | anotherScanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 20:21:44 | captain_proton | slaps the network admins here |
| 20:21:46 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:18) |
| 20:51:01 | scanline | is away: class |
| 20:53:03 | captain_proton | hi tim |
| 20:58:49 | BZFlag | stinking ms security spam. |
| 20:59:17 | BZFlag | like I even have m$ systems to install it on even if it weren't a hoax/virus. |
| 20:59:35 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 21:00:48 | captain_proton | particles are working nice ;) |
| 21:54:50 | scanline | is back (gone 01:03:49) |
| 21:59:32 | iLLf8d | gabber works like shit |
| 21:59:37 | iLLf8d | rant rant rant |
| 21:59:44 | iLLf8d | gabber is a piece o shit |
| 21:59:48 | iLLf8d | rant rant rant |
| 21:59:58 | iLLf8d | whew I figure i'd condense it for you |
| 22:00:03 | iLLf8d | left out one part |
| 22:00:23 | iLLf8d | why theres 15 different messaging systems that people insist on using nowadays |
| 22:00:25 | iLLf8d | rant rant rant |
| 22:00:47 | iLLf8d | ok time to kills something |
| 22:24:07 | pnm | is bzflag going to have messaging at any point - as in person to person messaging as well as to team and to all |
| 22:27:01 | Chestal | well, in fact it's there already as part of the send-to-nemesis-feature |
| 22:27:17 | Chestal | it will certainly be enhanced for 1.8, though |
| 23:01:25 | captain_proton | comes back |
| 23:25:38 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 10:36:26) |
| 23:31:51 | captain_proton | converts particles to the new xml parser |
| 23:32:09 | vogon_jeltz | converts captain_proton into pure energy |
| 23:33:54 | captain_proton | ooo |
| 23:34:10 | vogon_jeltz | uses captain_proton to power his computer |
| 23:36:11 | captain_proton | fries vogon_jeltz's mobo |