| 00:25:10 | captain_proton | hi MrApathyCream |
| 00:25:26 | MrApathyCream | hey |
| 00:25:33 | captain_proton | wazzup dood? |
| 00:28:10 | MrApathyCream | no mucho |
| 00:29:14 | Chestal | good n8 everyone |
| 00:29:22 | captain_proton | nite nite Chestal |
| 00:29:24 | MrApathyCream | cya |
| 00:30:16 | captain_proton | i got my radar border working |
| 00:30:19 | captain_proton | but its yicky |
| 00:30:55 | captain_proton | i need to figure out a way to do borders better |
| 00:34:27 | captain_proton | perhaps i should add a <border> attribute to the viewport |
| 00:37:43 | captain_proton | thoughts? |
| 00:38:02 | MrApathyCream | dunno, haven't looked much at the new style stuff |
| 00:41:46 | MrApathyCream | --have a hard time getting into it, when it's so far behind-- |
| 00:41:59 | captain_proton | whats so far behind? |
| 00:42:06 | MrApathyCream | 1.8 vs 1.7 |
| 00:43:00 | captain_proton | i still don't know what you mean =| |
| 00:43:30 | MrApathyCream | 1.8 is missing most things |
| 00:43:38 | captain_proton | yeah... |
| 00:43:40 | MrApathyCream | till they get readded, I find it hard to get into it |
| 00:44:12 | captain_proton | bastage =) |
| 00:48:40 | MrApathyCream | is off watching mcguyver |
| 00:48:44 | MrApathyCream | chuckles to himself |
| 01:06:17 | | captain_proton: it has Intel Inside |
| 01:06:17 | captain_proton | ibot, excuse |
| 01:06:22 | | captain_proton: Budget cuts forced us to sell all the power cords for the servers. |
| 01:06:22 | captain_proton | ibot, excuse |
| 01:06:56 | | captain_protonm is nothing but a tempestuous half-mouthful of knotty-pated rat retch. |
| 01:06:56 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, insult captain_protonm |
| 01:06:59 | | captain_proton is nothing but a rank assload of rude-snouted craptacular carpet droppings. |
| 01:06:59 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, insult captain_proton |
| 01:07:09 | vogon_jeltz | craptacular? hah! |
| 01:07:22 | captain_proton | lol |
| 01:08:03 | captain_proton | i needed a new quit/part message for xchat |
| 01:08:09 | captain_proton | see? |
| 01:08:21 | vogon_jeltz | you don't have a part message ;) |
| 01:08:27 | captain_proton | bleh |
| 01:13:45 | captain_proton | i need another excuse =) |
| 01:13:48 | | captain_proton: Change in Earth's rotational speed |
| 01:13:48 | captain_proton | ibot, excuse |
| 01:47:35 | captain_proton | what just happened? |
| 01:47:38 | captain_proton | opn fart? |
| 01:47:53 | vogon_jeltz | yeah |
| 02:27:12 | BZFlag | one is now 1.7 and two (hix) is 1.8 |
| 03:04:38 | captain_proton | lets take a look |
| 03:05:51 | captain_proton | looks nice |
| 03:06:04 | captain_proton | ooo...bases are thin now but they still collision right |
| 03:11:42 | BZFlag | yeah, that's why I left it to show crs23 that we need altitude on bases. ;-) |
| 03:12:01 | captain_proton | we should define a height for bases |
| 03:12:23 | captain_proton | that way people can choose |
| 03:12:34 | captain_proton | one feature i also want is multiple bases per team |
| 03:13:23 | vogon_jeltz | I'd want conditional spawning |
| 03:13:36 | captain_proton | we should just define a WorldObject hierarchy and keep the world in a single array |
| 03:13:38 | vogon_jeltz | so that some objects aren't there in FFA/CTF games |
| 03:14:00 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: explain further - i'm confused |
| 03:14:17 | vogon_jeltz | say I want walls to the back of the flag base so that people don't overjump it |
| 03:14:20 | BZFlag | multiple bases per team? why? |
| 03:14:32 | vogon_jeltz | but when the flag base isn't there, I don't want the walls there either, as that'd look stupid |
| 03:15:16 | captain_proton | just adds a lot of flexibility into the world design |
| 03:15:25 | captain_proton | you could have two bases per team scattered around... |
| 03:15:32 | BZFlag | just build a ctf world that includes the non-ctf world and adds bases etc. |
| 03:15:55 | captain_proton | that can work |
| 03:16:04 | captain_proton | i just want the ability to have 2 blue bases (for instance) |
| 03:16:10 | BZFlag | captain_proton: hmm. I think one team, one flag, one base. That's simple and works just fine. |
| 03:16:28 | captain_proton | ok fine |
| 03:16:32 | captain_proton | how about this?: |
| 03:16:39 | BZFlag | I do want movable/resizeable bases though. |
| 03:16:41 | captain_proton | i want to be able to hide who has a team flag |
| 03:16:57 | BZFlag | that's not the point. you can always see who has what flag. |
| 03:16:59 | vogon_jeltz | we already have movable/resizable bases, don't we? ; |
| 03:17:02 | vogon_jeltz | ;), even |
| 03:17:09 | captain_proton | BZFlag: i think it should be an option |
| 03:17:13 | captain_proton | perhaps a server-set variable |
| 03:17:23 | vogon_jeltz | I'd also like to see a teleporter flag |
| 03:17:34 | captain_proton | think about this: i was working on a world where each base is in a corner and they're all connected by tunnels |
| 03:17:41 | BZFlag | teleporter flag? explain. |
| 03:17:42 | vogon_jeltz | you drop it once, you set where you'd like to teleport; you drop it again, and you teleport there |
| 03:17:46 | captain_proton | the point was to encourage 'territory' |
| 03:17:57 | vogon_jeltz | and it does the standard teleporter thing |
| 03:18:04 | vogon_jeltz | s/teleporter/flagdrop/ |
| 03:18:14 | captain_proton | and attack runs could be made by sending each team member through a different tunnel, grabbing the flag, then all going back to base in different tunnels |
| 03:18:25 | captain_proton | but if the other team can see who has their flag, they all go after that one guy |
| 03:18:42 | vogon_jeltz | heh... that's what happens in other FPSen |
| 03:18:49 | BZFlag | so you need "blockers" who can have stealth etc. |
| 03:19:04 | captain_proton | my point was to have no flags |
| 03:19:08 | captain_proton | except team flags |
| 03:19:09 | captain_proton | =/ |
| 03:19:14 | captain_proton | i'd just like the ability |
| 03:19:21 | captain_proton | it probably won't be used that often |
| 03:19:27 | BZFlag | I think it could be confusing. |
| 03:19:42 | captain_proton | could be... |
| 03:19:54 | captain_proton | we should make a more prominent server message |
| 03:20:10 | captain_proton | when the connection is established, display a box with an ok button with the server message in it |
| 03:22:44 | captain_proton | then i could clarify its use on the server |
| 03:28:31 | BZFlag | thinks MsgShotEnd should die. |
| 03:42:14 | captain_proton | just realized the power of BZDB |
| 03:53:18 | captain_proton | haha |
| 03:53:36 | vogon_jeltz | kicks the captain |
| 03:57:50 | captain_proton | so... |
| 04:00:34 | BZFlag | power? |
| 04:00:46 | captain_proton | huh? |
| 04:01:09 | BZFlag | captain_proton just realized the power of BZDB |
| 04:01:15 | captain_proton | yes |
| 04:01:21 | captain_proton | its a powerful scheme |
| 04:01:24 | BZFlag | you tried my rear view? |
| 04:01:30 | captain_proton | no not yet |
| 04:01:34 | BZFlag | "set displayRear 1" |
| 04:01:47 | captain_proton | trots off to try it |
| 04:02:30 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 04:02:35 | captain_proton | updates cvs |
| 04:04:09 | captain_proton | trippy |
| 04:04:13 | captain_proton | the fov is huge though |
| 04:05:00 | BZFlag | that's on purpose. |
| 04:05:41 | captain_proton | looks ugly to me |
| 04:05:44 | captain_proton | but thats just me |
| 04:05:52 | captain_proton | it ought to be a thin rect up at the top ;) |
| 04:06:23 | BZFlag | so change it. ;-) |
| 04:06:37 | captain_proton | heh |
| 04:06:47 | captain_proton | i was thinking we need a method of putting j random border on a viewport |
| 04:06:57 | BZFlag | j? |
| 04:06:59 | captain_proton | color and width attribs |
| 04:07:04 | vogon_jeltz | what about k random border? |
| 04:07:05 | captain_proton | J. Random. <x> |
| 04:07:14 | captain_proton | its an expression |
| 04:07:38 | BZFlag | yep, we should be able to add a box.bzg right? and then include that? |
| 04:07:47 | captain_proton | well... |
| 04:08:02 | captain_proton | i guess one could do it that way |
| 04:08:37 | captain_proton | wait - is there a way to use pixel attribs in the model instead of 0-1? |
| 04:09:00 | captain_proton | i thought crs mentioned something but my history buffer went bizz |
| 04:09:34 | captain_proton | thinks to check ibot's logs |
| 04:09:36 | BZFlag | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/ |
| 04:09:39 | BZFlag | heh |
| 04:10:16 | BZFlag | I need to update the logs script to make channel directories. |
| 04:10:44 | BZFlag | or someone else could... as always patches welcome. ;-) |
| 04:10:53 | captain_proton | haha |
| 04:12:44 | BZFlag | ok, world format? |
| 04:13:11 | BZFlag | building, pyramid, base, flag, are all models, yes? |
| 04:13:16 | captain_proton | yes |
| 04:13:35 | captain_proton | they should be able to be defined inline though |
| 04:13:39 | BZFlag | world does not include flags though, just the number of possible flags. |
| 04:14:17 | BZFlag | inline would mean that building is defined once for each building, though right? |
| 04:14:44 | captain_proton | be able to have <box x="blah" y="blah" ... /> inline in the world |
| 04:15:40 | BZFlag | ok, and box could be defined in the same file? |
| 04:16:54 | captain_proton | box should be a globally defined model because its used in all the current worlds |
| 04:24:28 | captain_proton | bleh |
| 04:24:44 | captain_proton | i can put it in pixel mode, but i can't create a generic model for a border |
| 04:26:20 | BZFlag | no such thing as "globally defined" if we want to be able to change the texture, right? |
| 04:26:57 | BZFlag | the shape might be defined globally, but the world at least needs to indicate texture. |
| 04:26:58 | jacques | my god does pacbell dsl suck ass |
| 04:27:18 | captain_proton | wait...maybe |
| 04:27:31 | captain_proton | true |
| 04:27:44 | captain_proton | but it should allow old-style worlds with mimimum effort |
| 04:27:58 | captain_proton | all models should be able to be defined inline as well as in separate resource files |
| 04:28:03 | BZFlag | yes, these models would be included in the base distro. |
| 04:28:07 | captain_proton | <model resource="blah" /> |
| 04:28:08 | captain_proton | OR |
| 04:28:16 | captain_proton | <model>blah</model> |
| 04:28:23 | BZFlag | fine. |
| 04:31:57 | captain_proton | tries to figure out how to make a generic 1-pixel border work right |
| 04:35:11 | captain_proton | argg |
| 04:36:27 | captain_proton | are we going to allow world linking? |
| 04:36:42 | BZFlag | linking? |
| 04:37:01 | captain_proton | ie. creating two sub-worlds and linking them via a teleporter |
| 04:37:15 | BZFlag | I'd like that |
| 04:37:27 | captain_proton | wants the insides of his buildings to be bigger than the outsides |
| 04:37:45 | captain_proton | how trippy would -that- be? ;) |
| 04:38:02 | BZFlag | I'd like the list server to be able to put up a world that has just a ring of teleporters to all the worlds. ;-) |
| 04:38:21 | captain_proton | Oooo. |
| 04:38:23 | captain_proton | drools |
| 04:38:37 | captain_proton | perhaps with floating glowing text over each... |
| 04:38:52 | BZFlag | and a user key for "arch" a la st:tng that goes to the list server world. |
| 04:39:18 | captain_proton | can tell BZFlag is a big fan of the 'iconians' episodes |
| 04:39:20 | captain_proton | episode* |
| 04:39:21 | | i guess test is %C1this is a test |
| 04:39:21 | jacques | ibot: test |
| 04:39:50 | | BZFlag: I forgot test |
| 04:39:50 | BZFlag | ibot forget test |
| 04:40:01 | captain_proton | wow...that didn't even deserve a reply? ={ |
| 04:40:06 | BZFlag | headed to two. |
| 04:40:06 | captain_proton | chuckles |
| 04:40:12 | captain_proton | i'll come |
| 04:40:15 | captain_proton | wait - two? |
| 04:55:49 | BZFlag | I set one back to 1.7 and two to 1.8 |
| 04:56:01 | captain_proton | yeah i remembered ;) |
| 04:56:28 | BZFlag | interworld teleporters should be a different model. perhaps a different testure on the outside |
| 04:56:40 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 04:56:49 | BZFlag | need some way to know what world they go to before jumping through them |
| 04:56:57 | captain_proton | i think they should be an 'arch' type thingy ;) |
| 04:57:21 | BZFlag | wider and shorter with broad walls. ;-) |
| 04:57:23 | captain_proton | by default anyway |
| 04:57:27 | BZFlag | right. |
| 04:57:42 | captain_proton | they should also be able to be custom (for my building example) |
| 04:57:55 | BZFlag | maybe they are right clickable? and that tells the destination? |
| 04:58:05 | captain_proton | sounds good |
| 04:58:14 | BZFlag | would be very cool. |
| 04:58:17 | captain_proton | the destination should just be a string |
| 04:58:30 | BZFlag | "follow me on a tour of the servers" ;-) |
| 04:58:31 | captain_proton | on the list server, it would use the server address + description |
| 04:58:51 | captain_proton | for multi-part worlds, it could either be a custom string or nothing at all |
| 04:59:00 | BZFlag | "two.bzflag.org:5190" is all that would be needed. |
| 04:59:21 | BZFlag | same for multipart. |
| 04:59:33 | BZFlag | the kick is that the server would not need to be public. |
| 04:59:50 | BZFlag | so sub worlds might not be on the server list if the admin wanted it so. |
| 05:00:06 | captain_proton | there should be a way to make the description (right click text) different |
| 05:00:26 | BZFlag | so there could be worlds that are hidden someplace on other servers. |
| 05:00:50 | BZFlag | course folks could always email the server location or post it online, but "find servers" would not show it. |
| 05:01:11 | captain_proton | yeah - go through a doorway - surprise! you're in a new server |
| 05:01:12 | BZFlag | MrApathyCream: talking about inter-server teleport gates. ;-) |
| 05:01:31 | BZFlag | yep. ;-) |
| 05:01:49 | BZFlag | and it should work with or without a dest teleporter. |
| 05:02:15 | captain_proton | then we could just abstract multi-part worlds as separate servers for each part |
| 05:02:18 | BZFlag | without, it's just a normal join. with, you come through the world teleporter on the new world. |
| 05:02:29 | BZFlag | exactly |
| 05:03:11 | vogon_jeltz | grr |
| 05:03:18 | captain_proton | there ought to be multiple world teleporters - ie. many buildings in a multi-part world |
| 05:03:20 | vogon_jeltz | typing an unrecognized key coredumps |
| 05:03:38 | captain_proton | when you exit a building, it'd be nice to come out of the same one you entered |
| 05:04:35 | MrApathyCream | nifty |
| 05:05:18 | vogon_jeltz | what the hell? |
| 05:05:23 | captain_proton | wonders where the king soopers card on his keyring ran off to |
| 05:05:28 | vogon_jeltz | I typed something, and it looks like the server crashed :P |
| 05:06:10 | captain_proton | odd |
| 05:06:19 | captain_proton | it just disappeared |
| 05:06:57 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: does BZFlag use SDL yet? |
| 05:07:57 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: no |
| 05:08:17 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: i considered doing that earlier today but XVisual scared me off |
| 05:08:20 | BZFlag | I restarted the servers. |
| 05:08:20 | vogon_jeltz | w00t... something for me to do :) |
| 05:08:23 | vogon_jeltz | thx |
| 05:08:32 | vogon_jeltz | should prolly fix the server-crash-on-talk thing, too |
| 05:08:43 | vogon_jeltz | and the client-crash-on-something-it-doesn't-recognize |
| 05:09:04 | captain_proton | lagstats, clientquery and others should be made into console commands |
| 05:09:25 | captain_proton | the difference between 'client-level' and 'server-level' commands shouldn't be apparent on the client side |
| 05:09:28 | vogon_jeltz | either that, or we should add clientquery as an option to the scoreboard |
| 05:09:45 | vogon_jeltz | and not have it broadcast out to the entire world |
| 05:09:58 | captain_proton | was going to change the scoreboard to a keydown thingy a-la every other FPS there is |
| 05:10:07 | vogon_jeltz | feh |
| 05:10:20 | vogon_jeltz | I like having it up constantly |
| 05:10:41 | MrApathyCream | no broadcasting of clientquery sounds right |
| 05:10:42 | captain_proton | yeah maybe |
| 05:12:11 | MrApathyCream | since 1.8 is a config-everything version, how bout language.xml |
| 05:13:59 | MrApathyCream | 1.7 listserver seems down |
| 05:14:21 | vogon_jeltz | kicked cappy's ass |
| 05:14:46 | vogon_jeltz | man, the game looks so much cooler without the huge HUD in the way |
| 05:14:59 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: thats what i've thought for almost 8 months ;) |
| 05:15:02 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 05:15:10 | MrApathyCream | I'd like if i could read the text |
| 05:15:18 | vogon_jeltz | IMHO, we need to keep a counter of available shots right below "Ready" |
| 05:15:30 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: then do it |
| 05:15:34 | vogon_jeltz | meh |
| 05:15:35 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: that sounds really easy |
| 05:15:40 | vogon_jeltz | I'll do the SDL stuff first |
| 05:15:51 | captain_proton | k |
| 05:18:09 | vogon_jeltz | fires up the ol' XEmacs |
| 05:18:18 | captain_proton | erk |
| 05:18:34 | captain_proton | kicks vogon_jeltz in the shin |
| 05:18:45 | vogon_jeltz | ow, my shin |
| 05:18:55 | captain_proton | use vim, boy! |
| 05:19:11 | vogon_jeltz | can I have multiple windows up in vim without memorizing arcane key combos? |
| 05:19:35 | captain_proton | :split, :vsplit, ctrl+w x 2 |
| 05:19:38 | captain_proton | thats all you need |
| 05:19:48 | vogon_jeltz | can you spell... ARCANE? |
| 05:19:49 | vogon_jeltz | :P |
| 05:20:57 | captain_proton | use gvim then |
| 05:21:32 | captain_proton | i guess i should be happy that you're at least using xemacs and not gnu emacs |
| 05:21:37 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 05:21:53 | vogon_jeltz | I don't have a 1600x1200 monitor to waste on XTerms, either ;) |
| 05:22:29 | captain_proton | well...why not? |
| 05:22:29 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 05:22:47 | vogon_jeltz | because I only have so much desk space, and my monitor only goes up to 1024x768 |
| 05:23:05 | captain_proton | just recently got pine to use vim as the message editor |
| 05:23:17 | vogon_jeltz | you must be so proud |
| 05:23:20 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:24:18 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: you do realize the entire point of vi is arcane keys? |
| 05:24:32 | vogon_jeltz | yes, and so is that the entire point of GNU emacs ;) |
| 05:24:51 | captain_proton | grins |
| 05:25:06 | captain_proton | but emacs has enough interface associated with it that it shouldn't need them |
| 05:25:26 | vogon_jeltz | hmmm... this code looks like all sorts of fun to hack at |
| 05:26:10 | captain_proton | wonders how old XVisual and XDisplay are... |
| 05:26:19 | vogon_jeltz | ancient |
| 05:26:23 | vogon_jeltz | XWindow's uglier, tho |
| 05:27:27 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... XVisualInfo looks like some mix of SDL_PixelFormat and SDL_Rect |
| 05:27:41 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:29:22 | vogon_jeltz | nope, just SDL_PixelFormat |
| 05:34:28 | BZFlag | was hacking on the list server. it's back. |
| 06:51:36 | BZFlag | hacks in some stats on the server. |
| 07:04:51 | jacques | i would love to see ping times to the servers |
| 07:30:37 | vogon_jeltz | is away: Live from New York, it's Saturday Night! |
| 08:15:50 | captain_proton | wheee |
| 08:16:55 | captain_proton | you won't believe who i just played with on decks =) |
| 08:20:01 | captain_proton | oma showed up |
| 08:41:54 | captain_proton | wb |
| 08:42:10 | BZFlag | my keyboard broke. =( |
| 08:42:18 | captain_proton | eww |
| 08:42:22 | BZFlag | is using another keyboard plugged into his laptop. |
| 08:42:49 | captain_proton | is your lappie still under warranty? |
| 08:43:17 | BZFlag | probably. I think it's just under a year old. |
| 08:43:24 | captain_proton | good |
| 08:43:32 | BZFlag | have to look it up. dell 5000e 1600x1200 display. |
| 08:43:47 | captain_proton | you can hit that res on a laptop? sweet |
| 08:43:55 | BZFlag | I do not look forward to being without it. |
| 08:44:09 | BZFlag | and 3d accel works for bz ;-) |
| 08:44:28 | captain_proton | which model is it? |
| 08:44:33 | captain_proton | inspiron? |
| 08:44:36 | BZFlag | 5000e |
| 08:44:39 | BZFlag | yeah |
| 08:44:55 | captain_proton | i don't see a 5000 |
| 08:45:05 | captain_proton | 8100, 4100 |
| 08:45:28 | BZFlag | 5000e is probably not available anymore. |
| 08:46:29 | captain_proton | no |
| 08:46:38 | captain_proton | i'm configuring something now to see what it would cost |
| 08:48:04 | captain_proton | $3,269 |
| 08:49:04 | captain_proton | p4 1.7, 512, 30gb, combo dvd+cdrw, 64mb geforce4 440 mobile, internal 56k, 10/100, 802.11b |
| 08:49:08 | captain_proton | drools |
| 08:49:47 | captain_proton | damn...that system would be better than my desktop |
| 08:49:54 | captain_proton | not a huge bit better |
| 09:05:41 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 01:35:04) |
| 09:05:46 | captain_proton | hi vogon_jeltz |
| 09:06:47 | vogon_jeltz | yo |
| 09:07:13 | captain_proton | i just played with oma about an hour ago =) |
| 09:08:09 | vogon_jeltz | cool |
| 09:08:53 | BZFlag | well, dell.com says I've got an extended warrantee will oct 2003. ;-) |
| 09:09:01 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 09:09:09 | BZFlag | er till. |
| 09:09:25 | BZFlag | perhaps I'll get the floppy fixed as well. =) |
| 09:11:32 | captain_proton | is still drooling about the lappie he just specced |
| 09:14:19 | BZFlag | heh, this ones not all that. p3 650 192MB 20G 1600x1200 |
| 09:14:35 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 09:14:37 | captain_proton | thats nice |
| 09:14:41 | captain_proton | but i want this one |
| 09:14:52 | BZFlag | I'd love the dvd/cdrw though. ;-) |
| 09:15:04 | captain_proton | i guess i'll just work my ass off this summer and buy one with a gf5 ;) |
| 09:15:24 | captain_proton | hugs the university for giving students access to their dell account |
| 09:15:28 | BZFlag | internal modem is a lucent. ltmodem drivers work, but I'd rather have a hw modem. |
| 09:15:45 | captain_proton | i don't use a modem now anyways |
| 09:15:54 | BZFlag | I only use it on the road. |
| 09:16:02 | captain_proton | thats a point |
| 09:16:52 | captain_proton | you could switch it for the 3com combined modem+nic |
| 09:17:20 | BZFlag | perhaps, yep. |
| 09:17:32 | captain_proton | damn thats a beautiful system |
| 09:24:25 | BZFlag | http://outlet.us.dell.com/Dispatcher?target=InventoryPage&action=filter&lob=INSP&model_search_and_display=ALL&unique=1015147389182&sessionID=N5VC2FD1FBS2GGNVATO4ERY&tgtSeg=I |
| 09:25:07 | captain_proton | that didn't work |
| 09:25:08 | captain_proton | =/ |
| 09:25:29 | BZFlag | http://outlet.us.dell.com/Dispatcher?target=SpecPage&serviceTag=3H05611&sessionID=N5VC2FD1FBS2GGNVATO4ERY&tgtSeg=I |
| 09:25:40 | BZFlag | probably not that either? |
| 09:25:43 | BZFlag | ah well. |
| 09:25:58 | captain_proton | is the price for that one $2,478.00 |
| 09:25:59 | captain_proton | ? |
| 09:26:12 | BZFlag | 2128 |
| 09:26:24 | captain_proton | then no, it didn't work |
| 09:27:21 | BZFlag | http://outlet.us.dell.com/Dispatcher?target=SpecPage&serviceTag=3H05611 |
| 09:27:35 | BZFlag | note the discounted price. |
| 09:27:54 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 09:28:08 | captain_proton | that your system? |
| 09:28:08 | BZFlag | 16MB ATI Mobility M4? 3D Video,4XAGP - any good? |
| 09:28:17 | BZFlag | nope. just browsing. |
| 09:28:24 | captain_proton | i doubt it |
| 09:28:39 | captain_proton | ATI has a huge number of laptop cards based on the rage pro chip |
| 09:29:00 | captain_proton | which doesn't even support GL under windows |
| 09:29:19 | BZFlag | http://outlet.us.dell.com/Dispatcher?target=SpecPage&serviceTag=B39Z711 |
| 09:29:52 | BZFlag | that one's mine and mesa hw accel is fine. |
| 09:32:19 | captain_proton | you have a radeon |
| 09:32:22 | captain_proton | thats not a rage pro |
| 09:46:55 | BZFlag | no, the 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x (rev 02) is mine. |
| 09:47:07 | BZFlag | the paste messed up last time. |
| 09:47:49 | BZFlag | join me on 2 for a bit? |
| 09:48:29 | captain_proton | sure - but just a bit |
| 10:18:59 | BZFlag | cool. stats are working. |
| 10:19:05 | BZFlag | need to add some more though. |
| 10:34:10 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... there's a problem with just adding SDL{Window, Display, etc.} to mplatform |
| 10:34:24 | vogon_jeltz | SDL wraps all of the GL calls |
| 11:01:51 | BZFlag | nite |
| 14:31:32 | vogon_jeltz | is away: sleep |
| 21:02:35 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 06:30:58) |
| 21:05:28 | captain_proton | wb |
| 21:23:09 | vogon_jeltz | yoyo |
| 21:24:56 | captain_proton | how goes the SDLing? |
| 21:25:18 | vogon_jeltz | feh... still debating the best way to do it :/ |
| 21:25:27 | captain_proton | heh |
| 21:26:10 | vogon_jeltz | easiest way would be to fork the tree for the SDL version |
| 21:26:17 | captain_proton | blah |
| 21:27:52 | captain_proton | do that and post a huge-ass patch for it |
| 21:28:03 | vogon_jeltz | sure, whatever |
| 21:28:13 | captain_proton | heh |
| 21:28:24 | vogon_jeltz | one of the other problems is that SDL doesn't provide a platform-independent way to resize and move a window |
| 21:28:56 | vogon_jeltz | which, I believe, is one of the functions that SDLDisplay needs to export |
| 21:30:32 | vogon_jeltz | you got a Doxyfile I can use to generate some docs for this? |
| 21:30:32 | captain_proton | it doesn't?! |
| 21:30:35 | vogon_jeltz | nope |
| 21:30:47 | captain_proton | http://bzflag.org/doxydocs/ |
| 21:30:55 | captain_proton | =) |
| 21:31:25 | vogon_jeltz | :P |
| 21:31:34 | vogon_jeltz | I'd rather have a local copy, but... :/ |
| 21:32:15 | vogon_jeltz | oop, it's SDLWindow |
| 21:33:05 | vogon_jeltz | thx |
| 21:42:01 | captain_proton | off to do laundry |
| 21:42:18 | vogon_jeltz | bye |
| 22:24:02 | gerbil | Anyone home? |
| 22:25:41 | vogon_jeltz | hacks on SDLVisual |
| 22:30:08 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 22:30:28 | vogon_jeltz | as far as I can tell, I can replace all of build() with one call to SDL_SetVideoMode() |