| 00:16:35 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 01:39:04) |
| 00:58:03 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: font metrics? |
| 01:00:42 | vogon_jeltz | heheh |
| 01:01:02 | vogon_jeltz | from the infamous Wine message: "Building font metrics. This may take some time..." |
| 02:29:51 | vogon_jeltz | is away: TV |
| 05:54:51 | captain_proton | is away: reading |
| 06:42:25 | captain_proton | is back (gone 00:47:34) |
| 07:02:08 | captain_proton | hey vogon_jeltz |
| 07:02:26 | vogon_jeltz | hi |
| 07:04:10 | captain_proton | is in the mood to code |
| 07:04:23 | captain_proton | just read a good book i got this morning :) |
| 07:35:36 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: still here?? |
| 07:36:13 | vogon_jeltz | yeah |
| 07:36:28 | captain_proton | up for writing something l33t? |
| 07:36:31 | vogon_jeltz | maybe |
| 07:36:40 | captain_proton | like a terminal emulator or self-balancing karma system??? :) |
| 07:36:59 | vogon_jeltz | lol |
| 07:37:01 | vogon_jeltz | I might |
| 07:37:26 | vogon_jeltz | first, I have to get my new coding chair at the local furniture/office supply stor |
| 07:37:29 | vogon_jeltz | store, even |
| 07:37:37 | captain_proton | coding chair? |
| 07:39:27 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 07:39:40 | vogon_jeltz | a nice, padded chair to replace the wood and steel one that I use now |
| 07:39:47 | captain_proton | heh |
| 07:39:58 | captain_proton | i could use a chair that had a back to it... |
| 07:40:06 | vogon_jeltz | has $236 to spend on miscellany |
| 07:40:13 | captain_proton | nice |
| 07:40:14 | vogon_jeltz | first up, a chair |
| 07:40:16 | vogon_jeltz | :) |
| 07:40:41 | vogon_jeltz | I got $150 from "Santa", $50 from my grandparents, and I had $36 sitting around already |
| 07:41:06 | vogon_jeltz | I also got a nice set of golf clubs, a couple of books on Linux, and another Dilbert compendium |
| 07:41:48 | captain_proton | hmmm...the song i'm listening to has quotes from LotR |
| 07:42:05 | vogon_jeltz | I also have a $40 gift certificate for amazon.com... normally, I'd avoid them like the plague, but you don't look a gift horse in the mouth |
| 07:42:26 | captain_proton | or a gift certificate for that matter... |
| 07:42:30 | vogon_jeltz | heheh |
| 07:42:42 | captain_proton | do they have mouths though? |
| 07:42:44 | vogon_jeltz | check out my .plan on icculus.org |
| 07:42:55 | vogon_jeltz | http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/finger/finger.pl?user=vogon |
| 07:43:00 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, if you fold them in half |
| 07:46:33 | vogon_jeltz | [00:08] <Krisx> i like hack in the surfase in the trojan virus then i crack the main xx//code and epson the whole astroda |
| 07:46:34 | vogon_jeltz | hehehehe |
| 07:47:25 | captain_proton | haha |
| 07:48:02 | captain_proton | has krisx returned to #loki? |
| 07:48:09 | vogon_jeltz | no |
| 07:48:14 | vogon_jeltz | just reminiscing |
| 07:48:25 | vogon_jeltz | but look at the Futurama lyrics |
| 07:48:27 | captain_proton | next time you get a l33t #4x0r, tell me - i'll drop by |
| 07:48:28 | captain_proton | i did |
| 07:48:30 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 07:49:47 | vogon_jeltz | o/~ I should give you all a beating, / but I really have to fly. / If I weren't stuck here frozen, / I'd harpoon you in the eye o/~ |
| 07:50:07 | captain_proton | beautiful lyrics |
| 07:50:12 | vogon_jeltz | hehehe |
| 07:50:19 | vogon_jeltz | it really is a good song |
| 07:51:35 | captain_proton | lol...there's a skript kiddie on #ao asking what a certain vbscript does |
| 07:51:47 | captain_proton | he finally found someone who knows vbscriping, sent them a file |
| 07:51:58 | captain_proton | <stronzo> dude, there's a virus in it |
| 07:52:33 | vogon_jeltz | hah |
| 07:53:11 | captain_proton | there's a user called 'zero' on babylonia |
| 07:53:16 | captain_proton | real name is 'zero_system' |
| 07:53:22 | captain_proton | i'm trying to figure out who they are |
| 07:54:58 | captain_proton | is away: refilling water glass |
| 07:56:21 | vogon_jeltz | o/~ This boy's born to be a bureaucrat / Born to be all obsessive and snotty / I made friends and relations / File long applications / To get into my 10th birthday party o/~ |
| 07:57:20 | captain_proton | is back (gone 00:02:22) |
| 08:01:52 | captain_proton | finds out what boxing day is |
| 08:02:10 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 08:02:28 | captain_proton | "...basically it's a gimick made by the stores to get rid of their extra holiday inventory" |
| 08:05:53 | captain_proton | looks at a web page entitled 'skript kitty security' |
| 08:06:09 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 08:06:15 | vogon_jeltz | sounds authoritative |
| 08:07:26 | captain_proton | my GOD |
| 08:07:38 | vogon_jeltz | w0t? |
| 08:07:39 | captain_proton | adequacy.org is SO stupid |
| 08:07:53 | vogon_jeltz | hahaha |
| 08:08:01 | vogon_jeltz | you noticed? |
| 08:08:21 | captain_proton | Microsoft decided to revolutionize the field of software by creating "object oriented programming", which means that an application is composed of semi-autonomous "objects", each of which reacts to input from the outside and can act entirely independently of the "mother ship" application. Some highly advanced "objects" -- such as Microsoft's crowning glory, the Internet Explorer Document -- may even be dispatched through a "Network I |
| 08:08:22 | captain_proton | sole" such as a modern digital "modem" telephone or the Internet. This was the "philosopher's stone" which ultimately made the dream of Networking an everyday reality. |
| 08:08:34 | vogon_jeltz | has yet to figure out conclusively whether it's a calculated troll or whether these people actually believe what they say |
| 08:08:50 | vogon_jeltz | that one makes me lean towards the former |
| 08:09:00 | captain_proton | Visual Basic does not support a feature called "private data members". This means that any user who accesses an object or Document can view all of the contents of that Document, and change them at will. Nobody thought that this would be a problem, because only a sick person would violate the privacy of somebody else's Internet Document. |
| 08:09:16 | vogon_jeltz | haha |
| 08:09:37 | captain_proton | OOH! it gets better. |
| 08:09:54 | captain_proton | A shadowy underworld of "hackers" came into being to exploit this so-called "weakness" (isn't it a strange moral inversion, when trust, the great strengh of a free society, is called a "weakness"?). The "hackers", mostly college students urged on by leftist academics, developed their own application language, called "C++". It was a crude imitation of MFC++, but it had one feature which only criminals would have thought of in those in |
| 08:09:54 | captain_proton | Private data members. A "C+" application could create Documents which were impenetrable to the prying eyes of other so-called "hackers". |
| 08:10:08 | vogon_jeltz | lol |
| 08:10:18 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, it's a troll |
| 08:10:41 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... theregister.co.uk doesn't seem to be up :| |
| 08:12:33 | captain_proton | AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! |
| 08:12:40 | vogon_jeltz | w0t? |
| 08:12:58 | captain_proton | someone here says open source software users don't realize they need to pay license fees because open source is different from 'free software' |
| 08:13:09 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 08:19:33 | captain_proton | i especially like how they claim linux/open source is evil but they run scoop :) |
| 08:21:08 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 08:21:17 | vogon_jeltz | *calculated* *troll* |
| 08:21:37 | captain_proton | haha |
| 08:23:37 | vogon_jeltz | cap, can you get to The Register from there? |
| 08:23:52 | captain_proton | lemme check |
| 08:24:30 | captain_proton | looks like their domain expired ;) |
| 08:25:11 | captain_proton | what kind of music do you like again? |
| 08:25:33 | vogon_jeltz | techno, oldies, and wuss pop |
| 08:25:40 | vogon_jeltz | (techno to a limited extent) |
| 08:26:06 | captain_proton | i'm trying to decide if you would like this series of 3 songs... |
| 08:27:50 | captain_proton | perhaps I should send them over and you decide? |
| 08:27:51 | captain_proton | :) |
| 08:28:17 | vogon_jeltz | no |
| 08:28:21 | vogon_jeltz | tell me the titles :) |
| 08:28:32 | captain_proton | ok but it won't tell you anything :) |
| 08:28:54 | captain_proton | oh hey its a series of 4 |
| 08:29:07 | captain_proton | 09_lappi_I_eramaajarvi.mp3 |
| 08:29:11 | captain_proton | 10_lappi_II_witchdrums.mp3 |
| 08:29:16 | captain_proton | 11_lappi_III_moment_eternity.mp3 |
| 08:29:21 | captain_proton | 12_lappi_IV_etiainen.mp3 |
| 08:29:41 | captain_proton | told you :) |
| 08:29:43 | vogon_jeltz | uhrm... not interested :) |
| 08:29:49 | captain_proton | no? |
| 08:29:58 | captain_proton | it could be considered wuss pop |
| 08:30:31 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... still, no thanks :) |
| 08:30:39 | captain_proton | you're missing out man... |
| 08:31:03 | captain_proton | damn...i can't figure out which language this one is in... |
| 08:33:15 | captain_proton | let me at least send one :) |
| 08:34:27 | captain_proton | this one doesn't even have words |
| 08:35:21 | vogon_jeltz | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=25313&cid=2751295 |
| 09:04:25 | captain_proton | ha |
| 09:06:44 | captain_proton | you *have* to read this 'cant be displayed' page |
| 09:11:39 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... where? |
| 09:11:58 | captain_proton | the one I just tried to DCC you |
| 09:12:13 | vogon_jeltz | try again |
| 09:13:16 | captain_proton | i'm thinking of making it my 404 page :) |
| 09:15:15 | vogon_jeltz | hahaha |
| 09:16:03 | captain_proton | i especially like the references to the tools menu :) |
| 09:16:14 | vogon_jeltz | :) |
| 09:31:56 | vogon_jeltz | http://www.somethingawful.com/jeffk/dr-episode1/index.htm |
| 09:32:05 | captain_proton | converts a wannabe hacker to the light side |
| 09:32:24 | captain_proton | he got a passwd file off some anonymous ftp |
| 09:32:34 | captain_proton | and wanted to know why he couldn't crack it (shadowed) |
| 09:33:06 | vogon_jeltz | haha |
| 09:34:29 | captain_proton | i just pointed him to the happyhacker list o' wargames servers |
| 09:34:54 | captain_proton | and warned that even grabbing passwd files off anon ftp could be seen as suspect activity |
| 09:35:50 | vogon_jeltz | points out that Happy Hacker is even worse than AO :/ |
| 09:37:15 | captain_proton | yeah, but its got the wargames list |
| 09:37:28 | vogon_jeltz | true, but so do other places ;) |
| 09:38:37 | captain_proton | like? |
| 09:39:52 | vogon_jeltz | *shrug* |
| 09:40:10 | vogon_jeltz | I'm pretty damn sure other places have lists, tho... it's a big Internet |
| 09:41:57 | captain_proton | heh |
| 09:42:07 | captain_proton | yeah, but right now i'm too lazy to search |
| 09:45:15 | captain_proton | ok: time to test your opinions of security sites |
| 09:45:18 | captain_proton | attrition? |
| 09:45:49 | vogon_jeltz | good |
| 09:45:58 | captain_proton | securityfocus? |
| 09:46:04 | vogon_jeltz | good |
| 09:46:07 | captain_proton | black sun? |
| 09:46:11 | vogon_jeltz | never heard of it :P |
| 09:46:17 | captain_proton | packet storm? |
| 09:46:27 | vogon_jeltz | haven't been able to reach it in months |
| 09:46:34 | captain_proton | hmmm ok |
| 09:48:02 | captain_proton | thats pretty strange... |
| 09:49:20 | captain_proton | what did you think of it before? |
| 09:50:10 | vogon_jeltz | didn't get into the security scene before it died :) |
| 09:50:29 | captain_proton | it didn't die |
| 09:50:57 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... *shrug* |
| 09:51:22 | captain_proton | what url are you using? |
| 09:52:05 | vogon_jeltz | packetstorm.securify.com |
| 09:52:43 | captain_proton | securify? |
| 09:53:05 | captain_proton | try packetstormsecurity.org |
| 09:53:09 | vogon_jeltz | ahh |
| 09:53:57 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... securify was where every link I found pointed me to |
| 09:54:08 | captain_proton | lol |
| 09:58:18 | vogon_jeltz | first impressions on packet storm: it's quite informative, and looks much more useful than most security sites |
| 09:59:25 | captain_proton | I want to do that php nuke exploit :) |
| 09:59:36 | vogon_jeltz | :) |
| 09:59:42 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: pulltheplug's web server is on PHP nuke! |
| 10:02:11 | vogon_jeltz | haha |
| 10:05:55 | captain_proton | ok i'm off to bed |
| 10:05:57 | captain_proton | goodnight |
| 12:59:38 | vogon_jeltz | is away: sl33p |
| 19:27:34 | abs | lo fellas |
| 22:18:19 | abs | phpnewbie |
| 22:18:23 | abs | ww. |
| 22:26:25 | captain_proton | nooooooooooooooooo |
| 22:26:28 | captain_proton | my precious uptime |
| 22:39:27 | captain_proton | stupid fucking power company |
| 22:39:48 | captain_proton | somehow the university, even with all the ineptness there, manages to never have a power outage |
| 22:40:03 | captain_proton | but noooo, public service is run by a bunch of idiots |
| 22:56:58 | captain_proton | Chestal: you here? |
| 22:57:55 | captain_proton | drat |
| 23:30:11 | captain_proton | ok time for a reboot to ext3 |
| 23:37:15 | abs | how cooperative would you ellas be with me branching bzflag? |
| 23:37:28 | abs | would give all credit due to the original bzflag |
| 23:37:55 | abs | just that theres features i want, and figured since it wouldn't be added to bzflag itself, o just branch it |
| 23:38:53 | EddieNull | if your just goign to branch off bzflag, why not just create patchs to the game for the features you want instead of a different distrabution? |
| 23:39:11 | abs | heh |
| 23:39:20 | abs | because it would change the game alot |
| 23:39:32 | abs | some of the ideas we discussed the othernight kev |
| 23:39:39 | abs | been talking with frek about it |
| 23:39:58 | abs | so it would be different networking to allow the moving in one direction and shoot in another |
| 23:40:04 | abs | amoung other things |
| 23:40:25 | abs | cause its unnatrual to not have that, and to get rid of the tank's ability to jump |
| 23:40:31 | EddieNull | that why you make a patch, it's not part of the game, you patch it, what we were talking about the other night was creating a new game from scratch, or atleast I was |
| 23:40:31 | abs | cause tanks don't jump |
| 23:40:44 | abs | nod |
| 23:40:56 | EddieNull | jumping as I found out is a preference set on the server you connect to |
| 23:41:02 | abs | nod |
| 23:41:07 | captain_proton | branching bzflag? |
| 23:41:41 | abs | figured with a branch, you need not worry about people with one version joining a server with others who don't have the other version |
| 23:42:35 | captain_proton | grape tried doing that with version X... |
| 23:46:33 | comrad | hi |
| 23:46:36 | captain_proton | hi comrad |
| 23:46:46 | comrad | i have a problem installing bzflag 1.7FX3 |
| 23:46:55 | captain_proton | don't use the fx versions |
| 23:46:57 | captain_proton | install 1.7e4 |
| 23:47:04 | comrad | ok |
| 23:47:10 | captain_proton | fx is very old now |
| 23:47:22 | comrad | oh |
| 23:47:29 | comrad | 1.7e2 i have |
| 23:47:45 | captain_proton | 1.7e4 adds a bunch of new features and cleans up some old bugs |
| 23:47:50 | comrad | hm |
| 23:48:01 | captain_proton | you're on windows? |
| 23:48:31 | comrad | linux |
| 23:48:42 | captain_proton | then you'll have to compile it |
| 23:48:50 | comrad | i know |
| 23:48:58 | comrad | i compiled the fx stuff |
| 23:49:08 | captain_proton | (as in we've all been too lazy to build packages) |
| 23:50:04 | comrad | oh, ur coding bzflag too? |
| 23:50:10 | captain_proton | yah |
| 23:50:16 | comrad | cool |
| 23:50:44 | comrad | how "old" is bzflag? |
| 23:51:18 | captain_proton | uhh...9 years i think |
| 23:51:51 | comrad | nice |
| 23:51:57 | abs | re |
| 23:52:25 | captain_proton | wb abs |
| 23:52:38 | abs | did i split off? |
| 23:53:33 | captain_proton | yep |