| 00:14:55 | BZFlag | eep, list server was down again. why don't people tell me this? ;-) |
| 00:15:12 | BZFlag | it's moved back to rikers.org with the new IP 166.70.15.250 now. |
| 00:16:05 | tvon | tell you! I whined! |
| 00:16:07 | tvon | :) |
| 00:16:27 | tvon | actually, I figured it was among the "yes, I've heard from a thousand people, I'm working on it" items |
| 00:17:18 | BZFlag | heh. Is it up now? |
| 00:17:26 | BZFlag | I mean for you.. ;-) |
| 00:17:31 | tvon | hold on |
| 00:17:37 | tvon | bzfls://166.70.15.250/ ? |
| 00:18:22 | tvon | hmm.... -list default? |
| 00:18:49 | tvon | ah, got it...yeah its up |
| 00:20:46 | BZFlag | cool. servers? |
| 00:23:12 | BZFlag | BZFlag is #4 on SF at present. ;-) |
| 00:23:21 | vogon_jeltz | hah |
| 00:23:46 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: look at linuxtoday.com... tsk, tsk, tsk... |
| 00:23:59 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: nothing BZ-related, but still worth a look :P |
| 00:24:10 | vogon_jeltz | "How not to admin a server" |
| 00:25:06 | BZFlag | http://linuxtoday.com/ <- heh! this from a linux rag. ;-) |
| 00:25:40 | vogon_jeltz | yep |
| 00:26:06 | vogon_jeltz | they got 0wn3d, and they have no concept of securing a box... they're using fscking 2.4.10! |
| 00:28:43 | tvon | where is proton? |
| 00:28:52 | tvon | the natives are getting restless |
| 00:28:59 | tvon | they want decks up |
| 00:31:51 | BZFlag | gonna restart one and two... |
| 00:36:34 | BZFlag | did. at least there are a few servers up now. =( |
| 00:44:11 | tvon | heh |
| 00:45:12 | tvon | 4 player CTF? |
| 01:07:27 | BZFlag | anyone have franks stats programs? |
| 01:09:34 | BZFlag | http://www.wizards.de/~frank/bzfstats.html -> * Stat server is currently offline * |
| 01:14:47 | captain_proton | returns |
| 01:14:51 | captain_proton | decks isn't up? |
| 01:15:03 | captain_proton | restarts his server |
| 01:24:29 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 01:25:05 | vogon_jeltz | extraneous spaces |
| 01:26:22 | captain_proton | likes his extraneous spaces |
| 01:26:43 | vogon_jeltz | hah |
| 01:26:51 | vogon_jeltz | like the one in your head? |
| 01:26:51 | vogon_jeltz | runs |
| 01:27:08 | vogon_jeltz | you walked into that joke, my friend :) |
| 01:27:56 | captain_proton | throws a cordless phone at the back of vogon_jeltz's head |
| 01:28:15 | vogon_jeltz | blasts it with a railgun |
| 01:29:11 | captain_proton | hah! your capacitors are empty now! |
| 01:29:19 | captain_proton | throws an empty tupperware at vogon_jeltz |
| 01:29:28 | vogon_jeltz | ouch |
| 01:29:40 | vogon_jeltz | that tupperware was hard! :P |
| 01:30:02 | captain_proton | yep |
| 01:30:23 | vogon_jeltz | gets out the storage batteries and recharges his railgun |
| 01:30:49 | vogon_jeltz | fires it at captain_proton's forehead |
| 01:31:08 | captain_proton | ducks |
| 01:31:13 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 01:31:18 | vogon_jeltz | you can't duck *that* fast |
| 01:31:35 | captain_proton | thats what you think |
| 01:31:51 | vogon_jeltz | do your SDL shoes give you super ducking ability? |
| 01:32:31 | captain_proton | yes |
| 01:32:41 | vogon_jeltz | wow... those are some l33t0 shoes |
| 01:33:24 | captain_proton | thats why I have them |
| 01:43:18 | fjive | greetings |
| 01:43:48 | fjive | anybody home? |
| 01:48:27 | vogon_jeltz | is away: Mr. Sparkle, a joint venture of Matsumura Fishworks and Tamaribuchi Heavy Manufacturing Concern |
| 01:51:24 | JiVE | . |
| 02:44:41 | sekn | vogon_jeltz: you should submit the e4 release to slashdot :) |
| 02:56:05 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 01:07:40) |
| 02:56:16 | vogon_jeltz | sekn: you serious? :P |
| 02:57:14 | vogon_jeltz | is away: eine kleine nachtquake |
| 02:57:25 | sekn | sekn: of course |
| 02:57:40 | sekn | whoops |
| 02:57:42 | sekn | vogon_jeltz: of course |
| 03:01:58 | |ks| | talking to yourself again? |
| 03:23:06 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 00:25:52) |
| 03:33:26 | vogon_jeltz | writes up a /. piece on BZFlag |
| 03:35:50 | vogon_jeltz | k, it's submitted |
| 03:39:14 | vogon_jeltz | ... and rejected |
| 03:48:31 | HEMI | woohoo! It worked. :) |
| 03:48:40 | HEMI | My "default" windows colors are the same as my user windows colors. :) |
| 03:49:15 | HEMI | Like the colors it starts up with...the blue and stuff, is all stored in HKEY_USER\.DEFAULT\Control Panel\Colors |
| 03:49:22 | HEMI | So I just used all the values from my theme and voila. |
| 07:37:41 | vogon_jeltz | is away: afk |
| 15:59:48 | captain_proton | returns |
| 16:00:22 | vogon_jeltz | hi, capster |
| 16:01:14 | captain_proton | hi vogon_jeltz |
| 16:01:26 | Chestal | ibot: x de en nuss-nougat |
| 16:01:28 | | Chestal: nut nuss-nougat |
| 16:01:44 | Chestal | silly bot |
| 16:03:46 | captain_proton | heh |
| 16:04:04 | captain_proton | tries to decide whether to hack some SDL or watch a movie |
| 16:04:08 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 16:05:04 | vogon_jeltz | wonders if cappy runs wu-ftpd |
| 16:05:58 | captain_proton | you should already know the answer, but go ahead and scan if you wish |
| 16:06:11 | vogon_jeltz | heheeh |
| 16:07:04 | captain_proton | on my personal box, I don't run any ftp at all |
| 16:07:09 | captain_proton | on babylonia, I run proftpd |
| 16:07:16 | vogon_jeltz | good man :) |
| 16:07:34 | vogon_jeltz | doesn't run any FTP at all on his one b0x :P |
| 16:08:13 | captain_proton | wow....reuters is screwed up |
| 16:08:17 | vogon_jeltz | how so? |
| 16:08:55 | captain_proton | their articles won't download... |
| 16:08:57 | vogon_jeltz | wants to see "The Sex Life of an Electron" |
| 16:09:03 | vogon_jeltz | <captain_proton> oh god... |
| 16:09:03 | vogon_jeltz | <captain_proton> "The Sex Life of an Electron" |
| 16:10:20 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... reuters seems to work here |
| 16:10:56 | vogon_jeltz | maybe there's a partial authentication overflow on your end |
| 16:13:04 | captain_proton | possibly |
| 16:13:14 | captain_proton | or they were fucking with the routers again |
| 16:40:49 | captain_proton | decides to watch a movie instead of coding |
| 17:00:18 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: can you get an SMTP daemon up on your box (*cough*QMail*/cough*) and give me a shell so that I can actually send outgoing mail? :( |
| 17:00:42 | vogon_jeltz | is getting mighty pissed at his ISP, but DSL is at least a month away |
| 17:18:41 | tvon | I think the listserver and protons servers are down |
| 17:24:17 | captain_proton | checks his server |
| 17:24:33 | captain_proton | my server is find |
| 17:24:45 | captain_proton | fine rather |
| 17:25:28 | tvon | ah |
| 17:25:50 | tvon | k, I get host lookup failure.....is your IP still 128.138.3.20? |
| 17:33:17 | tvon | Some Ulu fella cheating his brains out on your server |
| 17:42:36 | tvon | Ulu and the fellow with the long name...."I kill because I love" or something...... |
| 17:49:10 | tvon | ARGH! |
| 20:53:14 | BZFlag | captain_proton: didn't fix your rpm yet? |
| 20:57:11 | sekn | BZFlag: captain_proton is here |
| 20:57:20 | sekn | what do you mean 'fix my rpm'? |
| 20:57:21 | BZFlag | here? |
| 20:57:30 | sekn | is captain_proton (for the moment) |
| 20:57:33 | BZFlag | upgrade rpm 4.0 to 4.0.x |
| 20:57:43 | sekn | hmmm let me check - one moment |
| 20:57:50 | BZFlag | so I can build a 1.7e4 rpm |
| 20:58:14 | sekn | i've got rpm 4.0.2-8 |
| 21:00:20 | BZFlag | looks like you might need rpm-build |
| 21:00:24 | BZFlag | got that? |
| 21:01:14 | sekn | yep |
| 21:01:16 | sekn | 4.0.2-8 again |
| 21:01:41 | sekn | i'm starting red carpet to see if there's a new rpm |
| 21:01:46 | BZFlag | on zaphod.... |
| 21:02:08 | BZFlag | there is no rpm-build on zaphod/ |
| 21:02:27 | BZFlag | and rpm is rpm-4.0 |
| 21:03:00 | BZFlag | I suggest you get all the relevant updates from: ftp://updates.redhat.com/7.0/en/os/i386/ |
| 21:03:20 | BZFlag | including rpm and rpm-devel and rpm-python |
| 21:03:32 | BZFlag | er rpm-build |
| 21:03:43 | BZFlag | probably don't need devel |
| 21:04:00 | sekn | ohhhhh ok :) |
| 21:04:16 | sekn | was looking on bhaskara |
| 21:04:20 | BZFlag | heh |
| 21:04:57 | BZFlag | oh, and upgrade the kernel. ;-) |
| 21:05:50 | sekn | does not want to mess with the kernel that box because its a VNC terminal in a building across town |
| 21:06:29 | BZFlag | ah. well when you get a chance. 2.2.16 had user->root exploit in it. |
| 21:06:41 | BZFlag | at least go to 2.2.19 |
| 21:06:53 | sekn | heh - i'll tell one of the admins who actually sees that box |
| 21:07:52 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 21:13:30 | sekn | is installing rpm 4.0.2 on zaphod |
| 21:14:29 | sekn | done |
| 21:14:46 | vogon_jeltz | rpm makes installation so much easier :) |
| 21:15:22 | vogon_jeltz | wait, cap... |
| 21:15:34 | vogon_jeltz | you have root on the box with 2.2.16, right |
| 21:15:35 | vogon_jeltz | ? |
| 21:15:48 | vogon_jeltz | if so, can't you ssh in and upgrade the kernel? :) |
| 21:17:00 | BZFlag | sekn: eh. nevermind. zaphod does not even have compilers on it. have to find another box. |
| 21:18:38 | sekn | no compilers?!?!?!? |
| 21:18:57 | sekn | oh my god...this is a crapily set-up box |
| 21:19:26 | BZFlag | heh. well I'm off to work. |
| 21:19:37 | vogon_jeltz | haha |
| 21:20:46 | vogon_jeltz | [root@allevil /]# chroot /money |
| 21:21:49 | sekn | allevil? |
| 21:23:16 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 21:23:32 | vogon_jeltz | loves coming up with things like that |
| 21:23:47 | vogon_jeltz | for great_justice in zig; do mv zig[great_justice] .; done |
| 21:24:11 | vogon_jeltz | find / -user $USER -name "*base*" -exec chown cats:cats '{}' ';' |
| 21:24:13 | sekn | zig? |
| 21:24:21 | vogon_jeltz | the zerowing intro, remember? |
| 21:24:28 | sekn | no |
| 21:24:32 | sekn | don't remind me |
| 21:24:35 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 21:25:10 | vogon_jeltz | it's possibly one of the oldest nerd jokes in existence, dating back 11 years |
| 21:26:16 | sekn | goes on a red-carpet spree |
| 21:42:36 | Zig | speak up |
| 21:42:43 | vogon_jeltz | move, zig |
| 21:42:51 | vogon_jeltz | ;) |
| 21:43:19 | Zig | hehe |
| 21:43:22 | Zig | psst |
| 21:43:25 | Zig | okay you guys |
| 21:43:28 | Zig | is chestal there? |
| 21:43:40 | vogon_jeltz | kicks chestal |
| 21:43:56 | vogon_jeltz | kicks chestal again |
| 21:44:36 | Zig | CHESTAL |
| 21:44:40 | Zig | i need you to talk |
| 21:44:44 | Zig | i have people blabbing about my skill |
| 21:44:47 | Zig | and they dont even know! |
| 21:45:06 | Zig | okay |
| 21:45:08 | Zig | wait |
| 21:45:11 | Zig | they could be here.. |
| 21:48:07 | Zig | man i have them going so good |
| 21:48:08 | Zig | even larry |
| 21:49:55 | Zig | DSAFDSHA |
| 21:49:58 | Zig | speak chestal |
| 21:51:00 | vogon_jeltz | what skill? |
| 21:51:09 | vogon_jeltz | ducks |
| 21:51:53 | Zig | ah |
| 21:51:57 | Zig | I said i was cheating |
| 21:52:01 | Zig | Vaughn and larry fell for it |
| 21:52:02 | Zig | big time |
| 21:52:14 | Zig | I said it auto-aims for me |
| 21:52:23 | Zig | larry was trying to blackmail me to get it |
| 21:52:52 | Zig | ahah |
| 21:52:55 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 21:52:58 | Zig | they admitted i own them with my cheat |
| 21:53:09 | Zig | then i say my cheat is my natural skill :) |
| 21:53:34 | Zig | they all fell for it |
| 21:53:42 | Zig | Vaughn was pissed |
| 21:55:18 | Zig | ahah |
| 21:55:23 | Zig | everyone falls for it |
| 21:55:26 | Zig | believe i have a cheat |
| 21:55:27 | Zig | i wonder why |
| 21:57:44 | Zig | hi |
| 21:58:27 | Zig | hola |
| 21:58:31 | Vaughn | Zig: Tell me, just why should I *belive* that you don't cheat? I seem to remember you telling me that honesty is..well, a lie. |
| 21:59:04 | vogon_jeltz | uhm... you should believe him because he's telling the truth |
| 21:59:25 | Vaughn | I'd like to... |
| 21:59:26 | vogon_jeltz | I've played Zig before on more than a few occasions, and he doesn't cheat |
| 21:59:57 | Zig | you fell for it Vaughn |
| 22:00:05 | Vaughn | He certainly didn't appear to... I saw him miss me several times. That means nothing, though. |
| 22:00:19 | Vaughn | Would you like me to *make* a cheat, just as proof-of-concept? |
| 22:00:26 | Zig | no |
| 22:00:28 | Zig | i cant program |
| 22:00:31 | Vaughn | It isn't a joking matter. |
| 22:00:32 | Zig | :) |
| 22:00:34 | Zig | lol |
| 22:00:36 | Zig | i was kidding |
| 22:00:38 | vogon_jeltz | uhm... I know that cheats exist, as I have hacked up cheats in the past |
| 22:00:47 | Zig | I covered the fact that i missed |
| 22:00:53 | Zig | by saying the cheat could be toggled on and off |
| 22:00:55 | Zig | :) |
| 22:02:30 | Zig | vaughn |
| 22:02:33 | Zig | it is a joking matter |
| 22:02:38 | Zig | when people cheat, you laugh at them |
| 22:02:41 | Zig | they just aren't good enough |
| 22:03:21 | Vaughn | No, when people cheat you frequently die a fiery death. *That's* why it isn't a joking matter - it can ruin a game. |
| 22:03:33 | Vaughn | Bzflag isn't big enough for that to happen on a large scale, but |
| 22:03:44 | Vaughn | I've seen it happen. It isn't pretty. |
| 22:03:50 | Zig | is that a threat? |
| 22:04:14 | Vaughn | No, a warning; others might not believe you if you say it was a joke. I almost didn't. |
| 22:04:23 | Zig | ha |
| 22:04:25 | Zig | btw |
| 22:04:30 | Zig | I said i cheated in the tourney too |
| 22:04:44 | Vaughn | I suppose you're going to tell me you didn't? |
| 22:05:21 | Zig | you can decide |
| 22:05:25 | Zig | remember, i came in 2nd :) |
| 22:05:53 | BZFlag | I cheat when I testing the server. |
| 22:06:05 | BZFlag | er when I'm testing the server... |
| 22:06:06 | Zig | is that... Tim Riker? |
| 22:06:12 | BZFlag | yep, the same. |
| 22:06:16 | Zig | ahh |
| 22:06:17 | Zig | i saw you |
| 22:06:25 | Zig | TimInvincible |
| 22:06:30 | BZFlag | right. |
| 22:06:52 | BZFlag | I always label my nick so people know I'm running development code. |
| 22:06:58 | Vaughn | So, is that a server-side cheat, or a case of bad programming? |
| 22:07:09 | Zig | i called you a cheater |
| 22:07:09 | BZFlag | it's a client side cheat |
| 22:07:35 | BZFlag | the server in BZFlag is designed to be as light weight as possible. |
| 22:07:51 | BZFlag | unfortunately this makes cheating easy. |
| 22:08:14 | BZFlag | I'm redesigning the net protocol for a future release which will help this some. |
| 22:08:30 | BZFlag | but it will probably always be possible to cheat on an opensource game |
| 22:08:38 | Zig | its the motivation |
| 22:08:44 | Zig | if there is none, no cheating. |
| 22:08:45 | Vaughn | I had a paper on the networking in UT around here sometime... very good, it was. |
| 22:09:01 | BZFlag | so the real fix in my opinion is to implement a karma peer rating system. |
| 22:09:08 | Vaughn | Aimbots will of course always be possible, but most other cheats should be stoppable. |
| 22:09:21 | Zig | aimbots? |
| 22:09:23 | Zig | theres a name for it? |
| 22:09:27 | Vaughn | And at that point a karma system might end up penalizing the good players along with the cheaters... |
| 22:09:40 | Vaughn | Zig: I have *no* idea. |
| 22:10:00 | Zig | who cares |
| 22:10:01 | tvon | cheating stinks |
| 22:10:02 | Zig | let cheating go on |
| 22:10:06 | Zig | it does nothing |
| 22:10:11 | Zig | i own cheaters |
| 22:10:12 | tvon | nothing? |
| 22:10:17 | tvon | it makes it pointless to play |
| 22:10:26 | Vaughn | Zig: BTW, interesting firewall, although a blackout might have been preferrable. |
| 22:10:37 | Zig | i have a firewall? |
| 22:10:55 | Vaughn | Zig: Well, unless you really *have* NetBus on your computer... |
| 22:11:05 | Zig | whats NetBus? |
| 22:11:35 | Vaughn | Zig: Backdoor. Don't worry, it's almost certainly a firewall; you're showing unix-specific *and* windows-specific servers. |
| 22:11:38 | BZFlag | Vaughn: possible, it may even be possible to cheat on karma. ;-/ |
| 22:11:48 | Zig | wait |
| 22:11:50 | Zig | is that my computer |
| 22:11:57 | Zig | are you commiting an international offence? |
| 22:12:11 | Vaughn | Zig: Hardly. |
| 22:12:17 | Zig | of course not |
| 22:12:23 | Zig | wait |
| 22:12:25 | tvon | yawn |
| 22:12:28 | Zig | okay |
| 22:12:32 | Zig | but do i have a firewall? |
| 22:12:35 | Zig | i thought i had nothing |
| 22:12:43 | Vaughn | Zig: Security scanner on automatic; it can be quite useful, and never does anything bad. |
| 22:12:51 | BZFlag | so a lot of people complain about cheaters... anyone volunteering to help build the new net code? |
| 22:13:00 | Zig | i cant program |
| 22:13:06 | Zig | i have a firewall then.. |
| 22:13:07 | Zig | wow |
| 22:13:15 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: sure |
| 22:13:21 | Vaughn | Zig: I can try a tcp_connect scan; that should go straight through if it's just a bad connection; the syn scan might not work. |
| 22:13:21 | BZFlag | vogon_jeltz: ;-) |
| 22:13:34 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: right after I finish the SDL port and the autoconf stuff |
| 22:13:36 | BZFlag | I'd like to start by writing a new net protocol doc. |
| 22:13:39 | Zig | vaughn: i dont know what your saying |
| 22:13:41 | vogon_jeltz | good idea :) |
| 22:13:59 | Vaughn | Zig: If you get any alerts or anything, that's the scanner. Just sit tight. |
| 22:14:03 | BZFlag | I think I'll do it entirely on udp |
| 22:14:16 | Zig | no |
| 22:14:18 | Zig | dont do anything |
| 22:14:22 | Zig | i dont give you permission |
| 22:14:27 | BZFlag | Vaughn: I thought you said... "never does anything bad" |
| 22:14:33 | Zig | hypocryte |
| 22:14:38 | Zig | you hypocrite |
| 22:15:01 | Vaughn | My security scanner doesn't; I might. Besides, I'm doing you a favor. But alright. |
| 22:15:27 | Zig | Shut up you hypocrite |
| 22:15:36 | Zig | halt die schnauze |
| 22:15:40 | Zig | you talk about honor |
| 22:15:41 | Vaughn | Zig: Got one port before it aborted. Are you supposed to be running a webserver? |
| 22:15:46 | Zig | then you commit an offence? |
| 22:15:47 | Zig | er |
| 22:15:55 | Zig | i have 3 computers on 1 internet hookup |
| 22:15:56 | BZFlag | Zig: calm down. no need for that kind of talk here. |
| 22:16:14 | Vaughn | Zig: Look, I won't do anything you don't want me to. Deal? |
| 22:16:31 | BZFlag | Vaughn: sounds like he doesn't want you to do anything. |
| 22:16:40 | Vaughn | I'm not *doing* anything either. |
| 22:16:47 | Zig | what are you doing vaughn? |
| 22:16:51 | Vaughn | Nothing! |
| 22:16:55 | BZFlag | port scanning is something. |
| 22:17:02 | tvon | is this like one of those "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you" things? |
| 22:17:05 | Vaughn | I aborted that a minute ago. |
| 22:17:14 | tvon | :) |
| 22:17:20 | Zig | thats right |
| 22:17:22 | Zig | too late... |
| 22:17:26 | BZFlag | tvon: stop touching me. ;-) |
| 22:17:31 | tvon | oh, sorry |
| 22:17:31 | tvon | heh |
| 22:17:41 | tvon | that that was my snickers |
| 22:17:51 | BZFlag | grins |
| 22:17:53 | Vaughn | Zig: *Are* you running a webserver? |
| 22:17:58 | Zig | Whats a webserver |
| 22:17:59 | Zig | plz |
| 22:18:01 | Zig | i speak english |
| 22:18:07 | tvon | oh for christs sake |
| 22:18:10 | Zig | shut up |
| 22:18:12 | Zig | you racist tvon |
| 22:18:17 | BZFlag | tvon, language please? |
| 22:18:21 | Zig | you insult the lord? |
| 22:18:22 | tvon | BZFlag oh, sorry |
| 22:18:24 | BZFlag | zig, last warning. |
| 22:18:29 | Zig | okay okay |
| 22:18:41 | Vaughn | Zig: It appears legit, shoudln't be a problem. And I have to go now. |
| 22:18:57 | Zig | what is legit? |
| 22:19:00 | Zig | whats a webserver? |
| 22:19:03 | Zig | im 15 |
| 22:19:04 | Zig | tell me |
| 22:19:46 | BZFlag | so everyone running 1.7e4 now? ;-) |
| 22:20:03 | BZFlag | Zig: like apache or IIS. a program that serves web pages. |
| 22:21:40 | Zig | no |
| 22:21:40 | tvon | well, I am |
| 22:21:41 | Zig | i dont know how to work it |
| 22:21:42 | Zig | Apache? |
| 22:21:42 | Zig | IIS? |
| 22:21:42 | Zig | english |
| 22:21:42 | tvon | I try to tell people to upgrade when I see them running other versiosn |
| 22:21:42 | Zig | i have 2 |
| 22:21:42 | Zig | e2 |
| 22:21:44 | Zig | how do i get e4 to work |
| 22:22:28 | BZFlag | Zig: what os? |
| 22:22:47 | BZFlag | what was the talk here about the radar? |
| 22:22:55 | Zig | win98 |
| 22:23:04 | BZFlag | someone was saying they like the e2 better. |
| 22:23:27 | Zig | okay |
| 22:23:30 | Zig | how do i get e4 to work |
| 22:23:34 | BZFlag | Zig: go to http://BZFlag.org follow the download link and get bzflag17e4.exe |
| 22:23:57 | BZFlag | vogon_jeltz: what that you? |
| 22:24:01 | BZFlag | captain_proton: or you? |
| 22:24:13 | BZFlag | er, "was that you?" |
| 22:25:01 | Zig | where is it |
| 22:25:03 | Zig | i cannot find it |
| 22:25:05 | tvon | BZFlag I saw people speaking madness about liking the old radar better |
| 22:25:50 | BZFlag | tvon: you recall why? |
| 22:26:02 | tvon | BZFlag something about tank size I think...on the radar |
| 22:30:33 | tvon | BZFlag I think the dots got bigger |
| 22:32:33 | tvon | BZFlag I can tell you that I think its harder to tell (on the decks map) when a tank is on the ground or on the first level |
| 22:32:55 | Zig | okay |
| 22:32:55 | Zig | i have work to do |
| 22:32:55 | tvon | BZFlag I'm timing out on bzflag.org |
| 22:32:56 | Zig | i cya both |
| 22:32:56 | tvon | hmm |
| 22:32:56 | tvon | and bzflag.sf.net |
| 22:32:56 | tvon | odd |
| 22:39:32 | BZFlag | tvon: at what res? |
| 22:39:45 | BZFlag | I think the tank scales to little at different res. |
| 22:39:53 | captain_proton | returns |
| 22:39:56 | tvon | BZFlag well, 640, but I'm using 800 now..... |
| 22:40:03 | BZFlag | ie: at 640x480 it is two large and two small at 1600x1200 |
| 22:40:12 | tvon | ah |
| 22:40:17 | tvon | that makes sense |
| 22:40:19 | BZFlag | er too large, and too small. ;-( |
| 22:40:26 | BZFlag | looking at the code now. |
| 22:40:35 | captain_proton | BZFlag: tank size seems fine to me at 1600, but then again I've used 1600x1200 forever |
| 22:45:11 | BZFlag | ok, now check 640x480 or... 256x192 ;-) |
| 22:45:16 | vogon_jeltz | hah |
| 22:46:12 | vogon_jeltz | "The Pixel that Ate BZFlag" |