| 00:49:18 | firegod | what's new today? |
| 00:49:21 | firegod | anything? |
| 00:49:47 | |ks| | not much here |
| 00:49:55 | firegod | yabut.. |
| 00:50:15 | firegod | anyone ever get a screenshot up of the proto hud? |
| 00:51:16 | |ks| | tim had a screen shot up earlier today, but I didn't notice any differences |
| 00:51:54 | |ks| | http://bzflag.org/test.jpg |
| 00:53:37 | firegod | hmmm |
| 00:54:05 | firegod | the flags are easier to see on the map |
| 00:54:15 | firegod | perhaps that's his res |
| 00:54:17 | firegod | wonder what it is |
| 00:54:28 | firegod | thinks its prolly the pic dimensions |
| 00:54:39 | vogon_jeltz | thinks the new hud format 0wnz |
| 00:54:44 | firegod | whats dif? |
| 00:54:46 | vogon_jeltz | I didn't like that big thick border |
| 00:55:02 | firegod | so it 0wnz, except... |
| 00:55:27 | |ks| | yeah, seems lower rez than I use |
| 00:55:30 | firegod | makes oggs while he goes out to get pizza |
| 00:55:32 | firegod | brb |
| 00:55:39 | firegod | i play at 640x480 in a window |
| 00:55:41 | |ks| | heh... it fits on my 1152x768 screen... it must be lower rez =) |
| 00:55:51 | firegod | |ks|.. tibook? |
| 00:56:00 | |ks| | yep |
| 00:56:02 | firegod | here also |
| 00:56:09 | firegod | gets food |
| 00:56:09 | |ks| | you play bz on it? |
| 00:56:12 | firegod | yup yup |
| 00:56:22 | vogon_jeltz | heh... that's not the new proto HUD |
| 00:56:32 | vogon_jeltz | that's the old one |
| 00:56:49 | |ks| | hmmm... and here I was working on porting it... where did you get your build? |
| 00:58:56 | vogon_jeltz | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzfi0004.png <--- new HUD |
| 01:01:37 | |ks| | what rez is that? the scores type seems very small |
| 01:01:45 | vogon_jeltz | 1600x1200 |
| 01:01:58 | vogon_jeltz | and the scores type is even smaller on his box ;) |
| 01:02:05 | |ks| | so does bz give a larger view area, or just more detail? |
| 01:02:25 | vogon_jeltz | more detail |
| 01:03:33 | |ks| | which means that odd resolutions get stretched... which is more fair, but it still woulda been nice to have a widescreen tank =) |
| 01:03:37 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 01:28:01 | firegod | |ks|.. hmm, i think a widescreen hack would be my first patch |
| 01:28:15 | firegod | that url for the ss doesnt resolve |
| 01:28:57 | |ks| | they both worked for me |
| 01:29:21 | |ks| | so where did you get your build from? there's mac code in CVS, but I've never seen an official build |
| 01:29:43 | firegod | i'm running cvs |
| 01:30:06 | firegod | wierd, worked this time |
| 01:30:43 | |ks| | I've made my own build w/ project builder under |
| 01:30:54 | firegod | how much of a fps hit do you get for using transparency for the hud? |
| 01:30:56 | |ks| | OS X... used the CVS code for some hints |
| 01:31:09 | firegod | |ks|.. i'm running debian |
| 01:31:10 | |ks| | i haven't tried it... |
| 01:31:31 | |ks| | ah, I suspected you might be |
| 01:32:09 | |ks| | I'm having fun porting to OS X (well, I suspect the CVS mac code would still work), but don't want to step on anyone else's toes |
| 01:32:23 | firegod | i dont have 10.1 |
| 01:33:37 | |ks| | ah... I bought my tibook and X together... I was basically waiting for both before coming back to apple |
| 01:33:39 | |ks| | I like X a lot |
| 01:36:32 | firegod | its slower |
| 01:37:55 | vogon_jeltz | OSX sucks so far |
| 01:38:11 | vogon_jeltz | it looks great, but it's mucho slow |
| 01:39:01 | |ks| | vogon: not on a G4 w/ 512M =) |
| 01:39:09 | vogon_jeltz | hahaha |
| 01:39:14 | vogon_jeltz | yes, it does |
| 01:39:15 | |ks| | and 10.1 is noticably faster than 10.0 |
| 01:39:22 | vogon_jeltz | I've tried it on a better machine than that |
| 01:39:41 | vogon_jeltz | dual G4 + 768, if memory serves |
| 01:40:32 | |ks| | running OS X native apps? classic apps suck under OS X, and classic seems to suck CPU even while idle |
| 01:41:15 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 01:41:34 | |ks| | and they were using HFS+, not UFS, right? UFS is crap in Darwin |
| 01:41:48 | vogon_jeltz | believe me, there aren't enough OS X apps to be guaranteed of any type of program, and they're still too slow |
| 01:42:32 | |ks| | well, I like it, and I'm quite happy w/ this computer... |
| 01:42:58 | |ks| | I don't mind waiting the 2 seconds it takes to wake it up =) |
| 01:44:46 | firegod | linux is much crisper, and has more pickup than X.1 |
| 01:44:54 | firegod | sorry, I only have X.0 |
| 01:46:56 | vogon_jeltz | when I'm running a Web browser on the equivalent of a P4/2Gig, I expect it to start fast, run fast, and actually be reasonable to move about on the screen |
| 01:47:20 | firegod | zacktly |
| 01:47:30 | |ks| | like I said, .1 is noticably better, but I'm not surprised that linux feels faster to you (I haven't tried it myself)... for one thing, how many linux boxes use as much transparency as OS X forces on users? |
| 01:47:31 | firegod | mines a g4-500 w/512M |
| 01:47:40 | firegod | it shouldnt sweat |
| 01:48:01 | firegod | I've got lots transparent |
| 01:48:18 | firegod | if I could get a webbrowser that used transparency, i'd be running it as well |
| 01:48:34 | firegod | looks for a screenshot tool |
| 01:49:00 | |ks| | so is it me, or are half the methods in the platform-specific classes unused? |
| 01:49:07 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: you there? |
| 01:49:10 | vogon_jeltz | yes |
| 01:49:28 | captain_proton | is Zdog the only person you invited in? |
| 01:49:35 | vogon_jeltz | yes |
| 01:49:37 | captain_proton | good |
| 01:49:41 | captain_proton | don't do that anymore :) |
| 01:49:47 | vogon_jeltz | I didn't invite him, tho |
| 01:49:53 | vogon_jeltz | I told him to talk to you |
| 01:50:06 | captain_proton | he said you told him 'just put [meq] in front' |
| 01:50:18 | vogon_jeltz | nope |
| 01:50:26 | vogon_jeltz | I told him to talk to you, then do that if you agreed |
| 01:50:29 | captain_proton | well don't tell that to anybody :) |
| 01:50:42 | captain_proton | well i agreed anyway (since he misunderstood) |
| 01:50:48 | captain_proton | but we want to keep it small |
| 01:51:14 | vogon_jeltz | we should all agree to join a certain team, too :) |
| 01:51:32 | captain_proton | that depends on how big a game is going at the time |
| 01:52:57 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: the new HUD 0wnz, but I haven't even really gotten started yet |
| 01:53:30 | vogon_jeltz | yeah, I know |
| 01:53:43 | vogon_jeltz | wants the semitransparent HUD once you've moved the message box |
| 01:54:35 | captain_proton | heh |
| 01:58:41 | captain_proton | soo.... |
| 01:58:45 | vogon_jeltz | heheh |
| 01:58:53 | vogon_jeltz | is trying to map for Tribes2... brb |
| 01:59:23 | firegod | blue team |
| 02:00:16 | captain_proton | blue team? |
| 02:00:29 | firegod | there shouldnt be a limit on color |
| 02:00:55 | captain_proton | what do you mean? |
| 02:01:13 | vogon_jeltz | damn... :/ |
| 02:02:11 | captain_proton | care to play a little vogon_jeltz? |
| 02:02:16 | firegod | team colors, should be dynamic "pick a color" with team count limited by the server |
| 02:02:20 | vogon_jeltz | sure, what the hell :) |
| 02:02:26 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: DCC me the new patch, tho |
| 02:02:32 | firegod | alright, you convinced me. |
| 02:02:33 | captain_proton | does a cvs diff -u |
| 02:02:38 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: thx |
| 02:02:42 | firegod | playing on ducati? |
| 02:03:14 | firegod | it really sucks that bz doesnt support esd |
| 02:03:19 | firegod | i like to play music |
| 02:03:31 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: my server? |
| 02:03:49 | vogon_jeltz | sure, but wait a couple minutes... gotta patch it again |
| 02:03:52 | captain_proton | k |
| 02:05:02 | vogon_jeltz | argh... I gotta fix the source tree |
| 02:05:15 | vogon_jeltz | your new patch overwrote the old one and I have to get back to the CVS baseline |
| 02:05:16 | firegod | goes back to waiting |
| 02:06:52 | firegod | doesnt get cvs |
| 02:07:17 | vogon_jeltz | why not? |
| 02:07:37 | |ks| | I thought you told me you built from CVS? |
| 02:07:45 | firegod | built |
| 02:09:25 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: I'm done... coming to a server near you |
| 02:11:27 | firegod | gets and builds cvs |
| 02:11:43 | vogon_jeltz | wtf? this piece of crap won't build |
| 02:12:03 | captain_proton | where? |
| 02:12:03 | firegod | built for me |
| 02:12:12 | captain_proton | what patches do you have? |
| 02:12:15 | vogon_jeltz | well, it builds, but it doesn't install or run |
| 02:12:18 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: none of them |
| 02:12:27 | captain_proton | bizzare |
| 02:12:52 | captain_proton | not even the HUD patch? |
| 02:13:27 | vogon_jeltz | nope |
| 02:13:36 | captain_proton | and you just checked out cvs? |
| 02:13:42 | vogon_jeltz | yeah |
| 02:13:52 | captain_proton | huh |
| 02:14:21 | captain_proton | well i'm going back to the game to talk with gerbil |
| 02:14:59 | vogon_jeltz | hmmmmmmm |
| 02:15:11 | vogon_jeltz | the messages are all flickery, even though I put in that patch |
| 02:19:55 | captain_proton | sure you did the latest one? |
| 02:23:23 | captain_proton | hmmm - figure it out |
| 03:01:34 | firegod | anyone know of a hack to get bz to play with esd? |
| 03:01:46 | firegod | i cant stand not hearing music OR not hearing effects |
| 03:02:09 | |ks| | you'd need to modify LinuxMedia.cxx |
| 03:02:31 | |ks| | all the platform-specific audio stuff should be in there |
| 03:03:23 | firegod | you confuse 'i want to hack it' to 'is there a hack for it' (: |
| 03:04:39 | |ks| | no, I just chose to skip over the "no" and skip to the "but..." =) |
| 03:05:21 | firegod | gar |
| 03:07:05 | firegod | i might choose to just add ogg decoding (: |
| 03:57:04 | captain_proton | hi BZFlag |
| 03:57:27 | BZFlag | heya. see a topic there? |
| 03:57:33 | captain_proton | topic where? |
| 03:58:18 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: I can't believe that you've never heard the intro to Zero Wing |
| 03:58:38 | captain_proton | someplace? |
| 03:58:46 | vogon_jeltz | current hacked-to-pieces HUD http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzfi0004.png |
| 03:58:46 | BZFlag | I forgot where. anyone? |
| 03:58:56 | captain_proton | ohhh |
| 03:59:05 | captain_proton | yah - what vogon_jeltz said |
| 03:59:30 | vogon_jeltz | BZFlag: you've heard the Zero Wing intro, right? :) |
| 03:59:53 | BZFlag | all your tanks are belong to us! |
| 03:59:58 | vogon_jeltz | haha |
| 04:00:07 | vogon_jeltz | mind helping me act it out for cap's benefit? |
| 04:00:13 | BZFlag | on sec... |
| 04:00:27 | vogon_jeltz | "In A.D. 2101, war was beginning." |
| 04:00:38 | vogon_jeltz | <captain> What happen? |
| 04:00:50 | vogon_jeltz | <operator> Someone set up us the bomb. We get signal. |
| 04:00:54 | vogon_jeltz | <captain> What! |
| 04:01:04 | vogon_jeltz | <operator> Main screen turn on. |
| 04:01:09 | vogon_jeltz | <captain> It's You! |
| 04:01:20 | BZFlag | http://www.allyourbase.net/gatekeeper.php?item=1&lock=1003467228 |
| 04:01:31 | vogon_jeltz | <Cats> How are you gentlemen!! All your base are belong to us. You are on the way to destruction. |
| 04:01:41 | vogon_jeltz | <captain> What you say!! |
| 04:02:00 | vogon_jeltz | <Cats> You have no chance to survive make your time. Ha Ha Ha Ha... |
| 04:02:03 | |ks| | please tell me you're not doing this from memory... :-} |
| 04:02:07 | vogon_jeltz | I'm not |
| 04:02:14 | BZFlag | see the gif.... |
| 04:02:17 | vogon_jeltz | <captain> Take off every "zig" |
| 04:02:23 | vogon_jeltz | <captain> You know what you doing. |
| 04:02:28 | vogon_jeltz | <captain> Move "zig." |
| 04:02:34 | vogon_jeltz | <captain> For great justice. |
| 04:02:34 | captain_proton | oh geez its only 11 |
| 04:03:09 | captain_proton | goes out since its so early |
| 04:03:19 | |ks| | set your clock to PDT and it's only 10 =) |
| 04:03:21 | vogon_jeltz | hahaha |
| 04:04:22 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 04:04:30 | firegod | it's 10 |
| 04:04:34 | vogon_jeltz | my clock already is set to PDT :) |
| 04:04:46 | |ks| | you're not the one saying it's 11 |
| 04:05:26 | BZFlag | http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/overhere/allyourbase.swf <- THE one to see! |
| 04:05:48 | vogon_jeltz | hahahahaha |
| 04:06:22 | vogon_jeltz | listens to some of his TMBG collection |
| 04:07:46 | vogon_jeltz | o/~ I hear smoke signals coming from them / They say, "We are out of furniture." o/~ |
| 04:09:57 | vogon_jeltz | o/~ Paid to fake it / In a traveling band / And I'm working undercover for The Man. o/~ |
| 04:13:23 | vogon_jeltz | o/~ I have a secret to tell / From my electrical well / It's a simple message / And I'm leaving out the whistles and bells o/! |
| 04:13:26 | vogon_jeltz | o/~, even |
| 04:37:33 | sekn | Chestal: you there? |
| 05:02:55 | sekn | vogon_jeltz? |
| 05:11:10 | vogon_jeltz | yeah |
| 06:32:04 | captain_proton | hi vogon_jeltz |
| 06:32:08 | vogon_jeltz | hi |
| 06:32:25 | captain_proton | whats up? |
| 06:32:29 | vogon_jeltz | not much |
| 06:32:37 | vogon_jeltz | I'm trying to get Tribes2's map editor to work |
| 06:32:53 | captain_proton | heh |
| 06:33:10 | captain_proton | meq is getting about the size i was thinking we should start out |
| 06:33:27 | vogon_jeltz | hehe |
| 06:33:32 | captain_proton | lets see... |
| 06:33:47 | captain_proton | you, me, DemonMoose, monkee, #subliminal, Zdog, and Gerbil |
| 06:34:07 | vogon_jeltz | hahahah |
| 06:34:23 | vogon_jeltz | sounds like a motley crew |
| 06:42:39 | |ks| | ponders the idea of a minimum hold time for flags... whatever flag you get - good or bad - you must use it for X seconds before you can switch |
| 06:42:56 | vogon_jeltz | that's stupid; I'm sorry |
| 06:44:23 | captain_proton | their clan is [TE] (the elders) |
| 06:44:24 | |ks| | no you're not |
| 06:46:00 | |ks| | probably not a general use feature; weaker players need the ability to hunt for the "right" flag to have a chance of surviving... better players should be able to use any flag dealt them |
| 06:47:18 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: you think that's true? :/ |
| 06:47:30 | captain_proton | not really |
| 06:47:48 | captain_proton | if i'm playing against a bunch of newbies, and i pick up a laser, i want to drop it |
| 06:48:40 | |ks| | like I said, not for general use, but for a tournament, perhaps... |
| 06:49:03 | |ks| | just a random thought at 1am.... |
| 06:49:11 | vogon_jeltz | it shows ;) |
| 06:50:27 | vogon_jeltz | whoa... Windows XP commercial |
| 06:54:09 | sekn | cp: err, could you send me a copy of your devfsd.conf? i need some see the structure... |
| 06:56:34 | captain_proton | let me look |
| 06:57:07 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 06:57:54 | sekn | thanks |
| 06:58:08 | captain_proton | you left the server before i could join |
| 06:58:33 | sekn | yah, they were beating me. and tarnishing the name of meq. |
| 06:58:38 | captain_proton | heh |
| 06:59:10 | captain_proton | so apparently frank & oma are forming a clan of 2 yr+ players called the elders [TE] |
| 06:59:47 | sekn | frank and oma? |
| 06:59:59 | captain_proton | 2 long-time players in germany |
| 07:03:19 | captain_proton | we must torment them :) |
| 07:03:38 | sekn | of course. they will be 'quantified' |
| 07:03:47 | captain_proton | shut...up... |
| 07:03:57 | vogon_jeltz | roflmao |
| 07:04:20 | vogon_jeltz | "Resistance is futile. You will be quantified." |
| 07:05:38 | captain_proton | hmmm...only 2 people who don't know... |
| 07:06:04 | sekn | its simply classification into unique and finite quanta... |
| 07:06:24 | sekn | what do you mean only two people? |
| 07:06:30 | captain_proton | 2 out of 5 in meq |
| 07:06:34 | sekn | you told everybody else? |
| 07:06:46 | captain_proton | 2 out of 7 i mean |
| 07:06:49 | captain_proton | well, there's me |
| 07:06:50 | sekn | oh I understand. |
| 07:06:52 | captain_proton | and the 3 of you |
| 07:06:55 | captain_proton | plus i told Gerbil |
| 07:07:05 | sekn | did he like it? |
| 07:07:17 | captain_proton | he thought it was a fowl situation |
| 07:07:32 | sekn | it really is too |
| 07:08:17 | captain_proton | yeah i agree |
| 07:08:37 | sekn | wine fails to build from cvs |
| 07:08:55 | sekn | it is huge and very complex... |
| 07:08:57 | captain_proton | try again in a few days |
| 07:09:22 | captain_proton | i should go to sleep |
| 07:09:47 | captain_proton | any ideas for a web page? |
| 07:09:52 | captain_proton | other than formally declaring war on TE? |
| 07:10:31 | sekn | I'll think something up this weekend |
| 07:11:12 | captain_proton | i emailed gerbil - he should be able to come up with something |
| 07:11:52 | captain_proton | how do we make people want to be in it? |
| 07:12:09 | captain_proton | i'll repeat for vogon_jeltz: how do we make people want to be in meq? |
| 07:12:16 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 07:12:24 | vogon_jeltz | no more than 10 or so |
| 07:12:34 | sekn | besides a picture of a [wild] [animal] (code)? |
| 07:12:34 | captain_proton | we have 7 right now |
| 07:12:47 | vogon_jeltz | hmm |
| 07:12:53 | captain_proton | we're not putting that photo up sekn |
| 07:13:07 | vogon_jeltz | at our current size, we could 0wn a server by all joining at the same time on the same team ;) |
| 07:13:14 | captain_proton | i know dave wants to tell the world not to choke, but... |
| 07:13:31 | sekn | that's a hilarious tagline though |
| 07:13:45 | captain_proton | we were thinking that whenever somebody from [TE] joins, we have a system to notify everybody to join |
| 07:13:47 | captain_proton | then we go hunting |
| 07:14:08 | vogon_jeltz | hah |
| 07:14:24 | captain_proton | dang.i.missed wants to form a wannabe clan for those < 2yrs experience who want to join TE |
| 07:14:27 | captain_proton | :) |
| 07:14:48 | captain_proton | at least that's what he said in the forums |
| 07:15:51 | vogon_jeltz | damn that wily anacron starting updatedb at this hour |
| 07:16:36 | captain_proton | lol |
| 07:16:45 | vogon_jeltz | <anacron> I am fully capable of 0wning j00 at any hour of the day I please |
| 07:17:07 | captain_proton | so vogon_jeltz: happy to be part of meq instead of one of the 'faithful understudies'?? |
| 07:17:11 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 07:17:12 | vogon_jeltz | yes |
| 07:17:37 | vogon_jeltz | "The first rule of MEQ is that you never talk about MEQ." |
| 07:18:43 | captain_proton | you talk about it, you just don't let people in ;) |
| 07:18:45 | vogon_jeltz | mwahahahahahahaha |
| 07:18:51 | vogon_jeltz | I just registered #meq |
| 07:19:03 | sekn | haha |
| 07:19:54 | vogon_jeltz | drop by :) |
| 07:20:18 | vogon_jeltz | has no clue what meq stands for, btw |
| 07:31:31 | Chestal | re |
| 07:31:43 | captain_proton | hi Chestal |
| 07:31:50 | Chestal | you US guys should be sleeping |
| 07:32:07 | captain_proton | i have 6.5 hours untill class - plenty of time |
| 07:32:14 | captain_proton | but i'm about to go to bed |
| 07:32:17 | vogon_jeltz | nn |
| 07:32:22 | vogon_jeltz | Chestal: hi :) |
| 07:32:23 | captain_proton | hey Chestal - what do you know about TE? |
| 07:33:26 | Chestal | nothing much, read about this old people clan on the ezboard forum that is linked at bzflag.de |
| 07:33:29 | |ks| | it's only 1:36am, no need to sleep |
| 07:33:41 | captain_proton | thats all i saw too |
| 07:33:51 | captain_proton | i heard you might be in it, so i figured i'd ask |
| 07:34:00 | Chestal | me? no way |
| 07:34:06 | captain_proton | how long have you been playing? |
| 07:34:10 | Chestal | I do not even fit the criteria for joining |
| 07:34:15 | Chestal | about a year |
| 07:34:20 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 07:34:29 | vogon_jeltz | what are the criteria for joining? |
| 07:34:33 | captain_proton | 2+ years |
| 07:34:40 | captain_proton | declares war on TE |
| 07:34:45 | vogon_jeltz | ahahaha |
| 07:34:47 | captain_proton | and goes to bed |
| 07:34:49 | sekn | war huh? |
| 07:35:09 | sekn | we can dwar up secret plans in #meq |
| 07:35:13 | Chestal | sekn: hmm, do I know you? |
| 07:38:38 | |ks| | wonders if bz would generate 44khz sound |
| 07:41:04 | vogon_jeltz | heh... I think it's in 22KHz, mono |
| 07:41:44 | vogon_jeltz | and it's a hell of a lot messier to upsample than to downsample |
| 07:43:02 | |ks| | I think it generates stereo... at the least, the platform-specific audio gets 2 channels, dunno if they're just duplicates |
| 07:44:15 | vogon_jeltz | they're based upon the same channel |
| 07:44:20 | vogon_jeltz | but not duplicates |
| 07:44:38 | vogon_jeltz | there's some serious audio code-fu going on somewhere in the client to make it sound all 3D :) |
| 07:51:50 | |ks| | ah... that's why my pointer keeps getting truncated.... assigning a 32-bit value to a 16-bit variable tends to do that.... |
| 07:52:13 | |ks| | silly me assuming that "param1" and "param2" would be the same size =} |
| 07:59:08 | vogon_jeltz | hahahaha |
| 08:07:15 | | nff |
| 08:07:15 | vogon_jeltz | ibot, rot13 ass |
| 08:44:14 | | vobg |
| 08:44:14 | Chestal | ibot, rot13 ibot |
| 08:44:32 | | vobi |
| 08:44:32 | Chestal | ibot, rot13 ibov |
| 09:07:38 | | having fun? |
| 09:07:38 | |ks| | ibot, rot13 univat sha? |
| 09:22:38 | | enivar |
| 09:22:38 | Chestal | ibot, rot13 ravine |
| 09:27:31 | iLLf8d | lo |
| 09:27:31 | Chestal | ibot, x en de ravine |
| 09:27:32 | | Chestal: Schlucht |
| 09:27:32 | iLLf8d | anyone up? |
| 09:27:34 | Chestal | hi ill |
| 09:27:38 | iLLf8d | how goes it |
| 09:27:46 | iLLf8d | I'm making my second world almost done heh |
| 09:27:51 | iLLf8d | kinda adicting |
| 09:28:10 | iLLf8d | hey how tough is it to fix the max 15 teleporter bug? |
| 09:28:25 | Chestal | found out that ravine is one of those rare words that is identical to it's reversed rot13 version |
| 09:28:30 | Chestal | hmm |
| 09:28:35 | Chestal | don't know about that |
| 09:28:40 | iLLf8d | The reason I came in is uhm |
| 09:29:05 | Chestal | where is this limit? |
| 09:29:10 | iLLf8d | I made a building that has a box as the floor and it butts up against the end wall |
| 09:29:37 | iLLf8d | for some reason when you drive into the wall you pass through it (it's set to 1.0) and you get stuck in the floor (the box) |
| 09:29:54 | iLLf8d | I shortend the floor so it shouldn't physically pass into the wall |
| 09:30:06 | iLLf8d | Chestal someone mentioned it |
| 09:30:14 | iLLf8d | and the other night I exceeded it and my client wouldn't load |
| 09:30:23 | iLLf8d | so I'm assuming the number is right heh |
| 09:30:29 | iLLf8d | they said max 15 in linux |
| 09:30:45 | Chestal | sounds liek a silly limitation |
| 09:30:54 | iLLf8d | I dunno |
| 09:31:12 | iLLf8d | I just do know I've got a few really cool transporter implementations i'd like to try |
| 09:31:15 | iLLf8d | just need more of them |
| 09:31:16 | Chestal | don't know about your box / floor bproblem , though |
| 09:31:25 | iLLf8d | I can do it over short runs just burns my transporters up |
| 09:31:28 | Chestal | and I have to get some lunch |
| 09:31:32 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 09:31:51 | iLLf8d | i'll try shrinking floor till theres a visible gap and see |
| 09:32:06 | Chestal | I never created bz worlds |
| 09:32:12 | Chestal | I always play with random standard worlds |
| 09:32:16 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 09:32:21 | iLLf8d | well they take forever |
| 09:32:35 | iLLf8d | this last one will be a great capture the flag world |
| 09:32:38 | iLLf8d | bunkers etc... |
| 09:32:39 | Chestal | my clien tis too slow to be usable in most of the fancy maps out there |
| 09:33:15 | iLLf8d | although I may have to lose the elevated track if I don't include a decent number of gm's |
| 09:33:19 | Chestal | it would be interestign to play ctf with good teams; noone seems to like ctf, though. I never really tried it |
| 09:33:32 | iLLf8d | well |
| 09:33:43 | iLLf8d | I think most of the ctf worlds are just sucky |
| 09:33:53 | iLLf8d | they're all vanilla ctf |
| 09:34:16 | iLLf8d | 2 teams is better too |
| 09:47:18 | iLLf8d | I figured it out |
| 09:47:33 | iLLf8d | seems it was saving some wierdass number as the base height of the box |
| 09:51:18 | vogon_jeltz | is away: sleep |
| 11:27:18 | lupinator | ahoi |
| 11:27:30 | Chestal | das lupi |
| 12:03:13 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 12:03:30 | iLLf8d | whats the scoop with teleporter rotation |
| 12:03:30 | Chestal | hmm? |
| 12:03:36 | iLLf8d | someone said its in radians |
| 12:03:44 | iLLf8d | 2 rad/degree right? |
| 12:03:55 | iLLf8d | seems I have all these really funkyass numbers like |
| 12:04:05 | iLLf8d | -559.204 etc... |
| 12:04:22 | lupinator | 2 rad = 360 degrees |
| 12:06:00 | Chestal | hmm? |
| 12:06:08 | lupinator | not? |
| 12:06:17 | Chestal | isn't it 2*pi ^= 360 degress |
| 12:06:46 | lupinator | oh right, pi |
| 12:06:50 | iLLf8d | huh |
| 12:07:03 | iLLf8d | wassat hat meant again? |
| 12:07:26 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 12:07:30 | lupinator | rad = 2*pi/360 degrees? |
| 12:08:32 | Chestal | well, just use pi for 180 degress |
| 12:08:50 | Chestal | rad isn't a real unit anyway |
| 12:09:00 | Chestal | neither is degrees :-) |
| 12:09:09 | iLLf8d | the numbers are all wild |
| 12:09:12 | iLLf8d | like uhm |
| 12:09:18 | iLLf8d | 45 degrees is |
| 12:09:27 | iLLf8d | -563.131 |
| 12:09:31 | iLLf8d | screwy |
| 12:09:59 | Chestal | hmm? |
| 12:10:44 | iLLf8d | I'm using bzedit |
| 12:10:53 | iLLf8d | its what the computer decides should be there |
| 12:10:55 | | lupinator: excuse me? |
| 12:10:55 | lupinator | ibot, pi/4 |
| 12:11:01 | | lupinator: what? |
| 12:11:01 | lupinator | ibot, pi / 4 |
| 12:11:08 | Chestal | lupi: do you think I should return flags? |
| 12:11:09 | iLLf8d | they seem to work i'm just trying to figure out how its getting these numbers |
| 12:11:15 | | it has been said that pi is 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679821480865132823066470938446095505822317253594081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602491412737245870066063155881748815209209628292540917153643678925903600113305305488204665213841469519 |
| 12:11:15 | lupinator | ibot, pi |
| 12:11:22 | lupinator | dang bot |
| 12:11:34 | iLLf8d | fast math coprocessor |
| 12:11:38 | iLLf8d | jk =P |
| 12:11:46 | | lupinator: huh? |
| 12:11:46 | lupinator | ibot, 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679821480865132823066470938446095505822317253594081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602491412737245870066063155881748815209209628292540917153643678925903600113305305488204665213841469519 / 4 |
| 12:11:55 | lupinator | why not? |
| 12:11:56 | | Chestal: huh? |
| 12:11:56 | Chestal | ibot, -563.131/pi |
| 12:12:04 | Chestal | hmm? |
| 12:12:18 | | -179.255451217571 |
| 12:12:18 | Chestal | ibot: -563.131/3.1415 |
| 12:12:19 | iLLf8d | uhm |
| 12:12:22 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 12:12:26 | | 0.75 |
| 12:12:26 | lupinator | ibot 3/4 |
| 12:12:28 | iLLf8d | what I gave you was 45 degrees |
| 12:12:43 | | 0.78539815 |
| 12:12:43 | lupinator | ibot 3.1415926/4 |
| 12:12:53 | lupinator | that's 45 degrees i think |
| 12:13:10 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 12:13:34 | iLLf8d | so its definatley in radians though |
| 12:13:35 | iLLf8d | ? |
| 12:13:51 | Chestal | ill: 563.131 is 179*pi + pi/4 |
| 12:13:53 | iLLf8d | someone mentioned it'll be in degrees |
| 12:14:01 | lupinator | Chestal: i somehow like playing without flags but i think most players dop not |
| 12:14:09 | lupinator | well, add them |
| 12:14:19 | Chestal | ill: but that's nonsense |
| 12:14:24 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 12:14:29 | Chestal | ill: it is equivalent to -3/4 pi |
| 12:14:41 | iLLf8d | don't ask me why but they work |
| 12:14:51 | iLLf8d | none make any sense to me either |
| 12:14:56 | iLLf8d | they're all screwy looking |
| 12:15:20 | Chestal | well, its' just like you would use 365 degrees instead of just using 5 |
| 12:15:48 | iLLf8d | has no idea what you meant by that |
| 12:16:12 | iLLf8d | if its in radians i'll find a formula for it and run a few calculations with my trusty calclulator |
| 12:16:55 | Chestal | hmm, with radians you'll use a range of -pi to pi |
| 12:16:59 | Chestal | (or 0 to 2 pi) |
| 12:17:07 | Chestal | 45 degress is pi/4 |
| 12:17:17 | Chestal | but you can also use 2*pi + p/4 |
| 12:17:26 | Chestal | or 4*pi + pi/4 or 6*pi + pi/4 |
| 12:17:55 | Chestal | it's cyclic, 2*a*pi+b ^= b for all integers a |
| 12:18:08 | iLLf8d | I just found a chart |
| 12:18:24 | Chestal | and -563.131 is -179*pi - pi/4 |
| 12:18:34 | iLLf8d | says 45degrees is pi/4 or 3.14159/4=.7895375 |
| 12:18:35 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 12:18:37 | Chestal | it's nonsense to use values that large |
| 12:19:01 | iLLf8d | well its what bzedit uses |
| 12:19:15 | iLLf8d | i'm just gonna make up a chart for myself and use thouse |
| 12:19:17 | iLLf8d | those |
| 12:19:22 | iLLf8d | will make things alot easier |
| 12:19:29 | Chestal | then bzedit seems to be broken in this regard, strange |
| 12:19:37 | iLLf8d | seems the teleporter implementation is busted in bzedit anyway |
| 12:20:07 | iLLf8d | when you start to screw with links or change teleporters (just selecting others) |
| 12:20:16 | iLLf8d | they lose positional reference and rotation |
| 12:20:26 | iLLf8d | so you come back on and they're all haywire |
| 12:22:01 | iLLf8d | http://math.rice.edu/~pcmi/sphere/drg_txt.html |
| 12:22:05 | iLLf8d | good chart =) |
| 12:22:09 | iLLf8d | ok i'm gonna crash |
| 12:22:14 | iLLf8d | I catchya tomorrow |
| 12:26:17 | | lupinator: what? |
| 12:26:17 | lupinator | ibot 2² |
| 12:26:22 | lupinator | ibot 2^2 |
| 12:26:31 | | lupinator? |
| 12:26:31 | lupinator | ibot? |
| 12:26:33 | | 8 |
| 12:26:33 | Chestal | ibot, 2**3 |
| 12:27:12 | Chestal | switched flags back on |
| 12:27:15 | | lupinator: excuse me? |
| 12:27:15 | lupinator | ibot pi*pi |
| 12:28:10 | | pi is 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679821480865132823066470938446095505822317253594081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602491412737245870066063155881748815209209628292540917153643678925903600113305305488204665213841469519 |
| 12:28:10 | Chestal | ibot: pi |
| 12:28:13 | | lupinator is probably the best bz player ever |
| 12:28:13 | Chestal | ibot: lupinator |
| 12:28:17 | Chestal | hmm |
| 12:28:18 | | lupinator: excuse me? |
| 12:28:18 | lupinator | ibot Nullstellen: 1/3 x^2 + 4x |
| 12:28:32 | | 5 is a different CPU core... I don't think intimate would be compatible... |
| 12:28:32 | Chestal | ibot: 5! |
| 12:28:39 | Chestal | hmm? |
| 12:28:45 | lupinator | dito |
| 12:29:25 | | Chestal: what? |
| 12:29:25 | Chestal | ibot: 6! |
| 12:29:33 | | Chestal: i'm not following you... |
| 12:29:33 | Chestal | ibot: 4! |
| 12:30:58 | lupinator | i tried that, too |
| 12:30:58 | | lupinator: i'm not following you... |
| 12:30:58 | lupinator | ibot 999999999999! |
| 12:30:58 | | thanks lupinator :) |
| 12:30:58 | lupinator | ibot: pi/botsnack |
| 12:33:41 | | lupinator: i don't know |
| 12:33:41 | lupinator | ibot, who is the winner of the tournament? |
| 12:33:50 | lupinator | come on. you were here |
| 12:35:30 | lupinator | Chestal: did you add flags AND run the server? |
| 12:41:34 | Chestal | lupi: eh, yes |
| 12:43:19 | lupinator | ah there it is |
| 12:43:30 | lupinator | Chestal: chestalsnack |
| 12:44:53 | Chestal | eh? |
| 12:45:13 | | :) |
| 12:45:13 | lupinator | ibot, botsnack |
| 12:45:19 | | lupinator: i'm not following you... |
| 12:45:19 | lupinator | ibot likes it |
| 12:45:39 | lupinator | ... although he does not admit it |
| 12:46:25 | | botsnack is nothing but a clouted stack of cockered dung. |
| 12:46:25 | lupinator | ibot insult botsnack |
| 12:46:34 | lupinator | ew |
| 13:52:39 | | yes, captain_proton? |
| 13:52:39 | captain_proton | ibot? |
| 13:52:48 | | it has been said that i am an infobot owned by Tangent with some assistance from BZFlag or stupid. |
| 13:52:48 | captain_proton | ibot: ibot? |
| 13:52:54 | captain_proton | damn |
| 15:56:56 | lupinator | Chestal: the guys on ducati hate the flags |
| 15:59:31 | lupinator | Chestal: could you please remove the flags again? |
| 16:32:09 | captain_proton | hi BZFlag |
| 17:29:00 | Chestal | re |
| 20:40:29 | iLLf8d | lo |
| 20:40:41 | vogon_jeltz | hi |
| 20:41:07 | iLLf8d | hey all if I want to figure out the rotion in rads (how many decimals should I do it on my calculator) and do I just round at the end or drop leftovers) |
| 20:41:07 | iLLf8d | ? |
| 20:41:14 | vogon_jeltz | hahahaha |
| 20:41:18 | iLLf8d | s/rotion/rotation |
| 20:41:20 | vogon_jeltz | you shouldn't... |
| 20:41:43 | vogon_jeltz | add the line "degrees" to the top of the world file and it should work with 1.7e3 servers |
| 20:42:25 | iLLf8d | just a seperate line that says degrees |
| 20:42:26 | iLLf8d | ok |
| 20:42:33 | iLLf8d | the its what 0-360 right? |
| 20:42:36 | iLLf8d | no negatives |
| 20:42:39 | vogon_jeltz | yes |
| 20:43:02 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 20:43:09 | iLLf8d | is running 1.7e2 |
| 20:43:13 | iLLf8d | muwahaha |
| 20:43:13 | iLLf8d | ok |
| 20:43:16 | iLLf8d | gotta fix that |
| 20:43:23 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 20:43:27 | vogon_jeltz | download 1.7e3 |
| 20:43:29 | iLLf8d | oh uhm |
| 20:43:35 | iLLf8d | was I gonna say uhm |
| 20:43:45 | iLLf8d | seem my client freezes up when I run the server on the same box |
| 20:43:50 | vogon_jeltz | and if the patch hasn't been merged yet, d/l my angle format interoperability patch ;) |
| 20:43:51 | iLLf8d | s/seem/seems |
| 20:43:59 | vogon_jeltz | iLLf8d: then don't do that |
| 20:44:12 | iLLf8d | that normal? |
| 20:44:16 | iLLf8d | or is it just my boxen |
| 20:44:30 | vogon_jeltz | doesn't happen here |
| 20:44:44 | iLLf8d | I also notice that the client doesn't want to bail either when I hit quit |
| 20:44:47 | iLLf8d | it kinda hangs |
| 20:44:52 | iLLf8d | normally it quits fine |
| 20:44:55 | iLLf8d | kinda wierd huh |
| 20:45:14 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... yes |
| 20:45:24 | iLLf8d | interoperability patch huh |
| 20:45:41 | vogon_jeltz | damn it... my internet connection died... brb |
| 20:45:53 | iLLf8d | can barely get cvs to work co is about as far as I get heh |
| 20:47:42 | BZFlag | e3 does not have support for the "degrees" line at present. It does expect degrees though. |
| 20:48:03 | BZFlag | can you use a #degrees line? ;-) |
| 20:48:55 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 20:49:00 | iLLf8d | does that work? |
| 20:49:08 | iLLf8d | you mean in configs right? |
| 20:49:18 | iLLf8d | or a define |
| 20:49:20 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 20:49:52 | iLLf8d | so BZFlag lemme ask you then |
| 20:50:13 | iLLf8d | hey all if I want to figure out the rotation in rads (how many decimals should I do it on my calculator) and do I just round at the end or drop leftovers) |
| 20:58:02 | iLLf8d | hmm I only notice 1.7e2 listed in sourceforge |
| 20:58:22 | iLLf8d | is the latest the one on bzflag.sourceforge.net (daily snapshot) |
| 20:58:27 | iLLf8d | you guys keep that one up to date? |
| 21:20:38 | |ks| | rad = 400 / 360 * deg |
| 21:20:59 | |ks| | 400 rad in one revolution, rather than 360 |
| 21:21:00 | |ks| | (iirc) |
| 21:24:26 | iLLf8d | iirc? |
| 21:24:35 | |ks| | If I Recall Correctly |
| 21:24:39 | iLLf8d | ohhh heh |
| 21:24:44 | |ks| | I'm pretty sure that's correct, though |
| 21:24:47 | iLLf8d | has been trying to figure that one out for a while |
| 21:24:52 | iLLf8d | I have a rad chart here |
| 21:24:55 | iLLf8d | its quite good |
| 21:25:03 | |ks| | it's a standard disclaimer TLA =) |
| 21:25:09 | iLLf8d | just need to know how many significant figures etc.. |
| 21:25:12 | |ks| | a chart? |
| 21:25:17 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 21:25:20 | iLLf8d | lemme getya a url |
| 21:25:37 | iLLf8d | http://math.rice.edu/~pcmi/sphere/drg_txt.html |
| 21:25:40 | iLLf8d | the bottom chart |
| 21:25:43 | iLLf8d | makes it easy |
| 21:26:20 | |ks| | oh wait, I'm thinking of another coordinate system... forget what I said |
| 21:27:20 | |ks| | radians is pi-based... it's 400 "gradients" (not sure of spelling) per circle |
| 21:27:56 | |ks| | conversion from degrees to radians is: (2 * PI / 360) * degrees |
| 21:28:04 | |ks| | or PI/180, if you prefer |
| 22:11:09 | BZFlag | radians is the other supported format. |
| 22:11:17 | BZFlag | it's 2 * pi |
| 22:11:21 | | rumour has it pi is 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679821480865132823066470938446095505822317253594081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602491412737245870066063155881748815209209628292540917153643678925903600113305305488204665213841469519 |
| 22:11:21 | BZFlag | ibot pi |
| 22:12:01 | BZFlag | all values from the world files are converted to floats internally, so whatever a float handles in precision. |
| 22:12:26 | BZFlag | I'd recommend you use degrees as it's easier to list and let bzfs do the conversion. |
| 22:13:01 | BZFlag | to use a bzfs that had degrees you need to build straight from cvs (or the daily snapshot) |
