| 00:05:33 | vogon_jeltz | is away: watching ST:TNG |
| 00:26:53 | iLL_away | huh? |
| 00:27:54 | iLL_away | UHm I dunno if it had a n times |
| 00:27:57 | iLL_away | not sure about that |
| 00:28:07 | iLL_away | I had been warned at least twice that I can recall |
| 00:28:23 | iLL_away | although thats bogus when there are only 2 active servers |
| 00:28:27 | iLL_away | so yeah I think it sucks heh |
| 00:29:00 | iLL_away | what am I gonna do go someplace closer and login twice and play myself |
| 00:29:50 | iLL_away | I don't seem to have issues when others are laggin either its part of the game |
| 00:31:11 | iLL_away | On a more constructive level |
| 00:31:19 | iLL_away | I do notice my lag may drop when I reconnect |
| 00:31:50 | iLL_away | has anyone proposed a score keeper function (something that last 5 min or so)? |
| 00:32:45 | iLL_away | i'd work on it myself but my c/c++ opengl skills blow or are nonexistent |
| 00:32:49 | iLL_away | the opengl part |
| 00:35:13 | iLL_away | ok gaming |
| 00:52:26 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 00:46:51) |
| 00:53:02 | vogon_jeltz | iLL_away: yep, in fact we were going to implement a statistics/nick server in version .18 |
| 00:53:07 | vogon_jeltz | 1.8, even |
| 01:05:37 | iLL_away | still around? |
| 01:05:53 | iLL_away | must be gaming again |
| 01:06:03 | vogon_jeltz | yeah |
| 01:06:13 | iLL_away | oh cool |
| 01:06:19 | vogon_jeltz | I was watching ST:TNG... the one where they're stuck in a temporal causality loop :) |
| 01:06:30 | iLL_away | I saw someone working on giant shockwave and really fast tanks a long time ago |
| 01:06:35 | iLL_away | he mentioned they were adding hills? |
| 01:06:40 | iLL_away | whens that due out |
| 01:06:41 | vogon_jeltz | no |
| 01:06:51 | vogon_jeltz | the shockwave and fast tanks were BZFlag X |
| 01:06:57 | vogon_jeltz | and no hills on the horizon |
| 01:07:04 | iLL_away | whats bzflag x? |
| 01:07:10 | iLL_away | a parallel devel? |
| 01:07:14 | vogon_jeltz | iLL_away: the much-famed "cheat" version |
| 01:07:24 | iLL_away | hmm |
| 01:07:26 | vogon_jeltz | iLL_away: added a couple more flags, and some other stuff |
| 01:07:29 | iLL_away | well is it good? |
| 01:07:38 | vogon_jeltz | iLL_away: it's OK, but not many players |
| 01:07:47 | iLL_away | I mean if it works why not merge code backin? |
| 01:07:51 | iLL_away | hmm |
| 01:07:59 | vogon_jeltz | iLL_away: heh... you don't add flags lightly |
| 01:08:10 | vogon_jeltz | iLL_away: they might be merged for 1.8, but don't hold out hope |
| 01:08:22 | iLL_away | hey I do notice that when I connect to one server next time i'll remember the name my client freezes up |
| 01:08:39 | iLL_away | that a personal thing? |
| 01:08:43 | vogon_jeltz | no |
| 01:08:44 | iLL_away | the non merging bit? |
| 01:08:48 | iLL_away | or an implementation deal |
| 01:09:07 | vogon_jeltz | the problem is, you can't add flags without introducing incompatibility |
| 01:09:26 | vogon_jeltz | by definition, incompatibility-causing changes cannot be made within the same minor version |
| 01:09:35 | iLL_away | ah |
| 01:09:37 | iLL_away | I gotcha |
| 01:10:51 | iLL_away | so whats gonna be new for 1.8 then |
| 01:10:59 | iLL_away | is there a version todo list I can peruise? |
| 01:11:02 | vogon_jeltz | we don't know yet |
| 01:11:15 | vogon_jeltz | it depends on when we start work, when we finish it, and who will help |
| 01:11:26 | iLL_away | uhm outside of the maps it hasn't changed in some time has it? that and udp |
| 01:11:41 | iLL_away | has it been all bug fixes and driver support |
| 01:11:42 | vogon_jeltz | uhh, there's also the whole flag-on-building thing |
| 01:11:48 | vogon_jeltz | and custom CTF maps |
| 01:11:54 | iLL_away | flag on building? |
| 01:12:08 | vogon_jeltz | yes, one of my favorite patches, seeing as how I authored it |
| 01:12:18 | iLL_away | has the map thing gone further? last time I looked it was crude and practically undocumented |
| 01:12:26 | iLL_away | that was when the first few were coming down the pipe |
| 01:12:27 | vogon_jeltz | heh... |
| 01:12:36 | vogon_jeltz | that's why you pick apart maps to learn from them |
| 01:12:42 | vogon_jeltz | or get a graphical map editor |
| 01:13:04 | iLL_away | one other question whats a useable up bandwidth for a server |
| 01:13:07 | iLL_away | i've got 14k up |
| 01:13:12 | vogon_jeltz | hmm... how many players? |
| 01:13:27 | iLL_away | I just wanted to post something public on my freebsd box |
| 01:13:41 | vogon_jeltz | kilobytes or kilobits? |
| 01:13:48 | iLL_away | i've run one before just not for a lenghty period of time |
| 01:14:03 | iLL_away | uhm 14 kilobytes I think |
| 01:14:07 | iLL_away | 140 kilobits |
| 01:14:11 | vogon_jeltz | ahh, OK |
| 01:14:20 | vogon_jeltz | that's prolly good for 5-6 player games |
| 01:14:32 | iLL_away | my down is good the up is the problem |
| 01:14:57 | iLLf8d | that your nick online? |
| 01:15:00 | iLLf8d | bzflag I mean |
| 01:15:04 | vogon_jeltz | nope, my online nick is SIGKILL |
| 01:15:09 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 01:15:14 | iLLf8d | i'm tankenstien or warmoe |
| 01:15:19 | vogon_jeltz | ahh, OK :) |
| 01:15:22 | iLLf8d | tankenstein I mean |
| 01:15:22 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 01:15:48 | vogon_jeltz | I think I've played with you once |
| 01:15:57 | vogon_jeltz | beat the crap out of you, too, IIRC ;) |
| 01:16:01 | iLLf8d | would be nice to have a tournament too with training fields |
| 01:16:05 | iLLf8d | perhaps teams |
| 01:16:18 | vogon_jeltz | we're not a full-blown programming project, iLLf8d |
| 01:16:29 | vogon_jeltz | there are maybe 5 people that contribute |
| 01:16:47 | iLLf8d | i'm suprised its so low |
| 01:16:49 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 01:16:52 | vogon_jeltz | over about 6 years in opensource, it's evolved quite a bit, tho |
| 01:16:55 | iLLf8d | how difficult is the code? |
| 01:17:01 | vogon_jeltz | messy, but easy |
| 01:17:10 | iLLf8d | I know a bit of c/c++ no opengl though |
| 01:17:17 | vogon_jeltz | to get many significant hacks in, you'll need to modify class interfaces |
| 01:17:36 | iLLf8d | so its in c++? |
| 01:17:41 | vogon_jeltz | yep |
| 01:17:50 | vogon_jeltz | pretty badly-written C++, IMO |
| 01:17:59 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 01:18:16 | iLLf8d | well that happens in evolving projects |
| 01:18:29 | vogon_jeltz | heh... it's always been bad |
| 01:18:29 | iLLf8d | sometimes flush and rewrite is in order |
| 01:18:38 | vogon_jeltz | not until we're talking version 2.0 |
| 01:18:50 | iLLf8d | whats the proposed cycle time |
| 01:19:10 | vogon_jeltz | once again, this is a 5-person project, so there is no "cycle time" :) |
| 01:19:16 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 01:19:25 | iLLf8d | you guys using sdl at all? |
| 01:19:30 | vogon_jeltz | it's "whatever the hell we can get done" and it will be done "whenever the hell it's ready" |
| 01:19:47 | vogon_jeltz | iLLf8d: nope, but I plan to port the audio and graphics to SDL and OpenAL in 1.8 |
| 01:19:55 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 01:20:57 | iLLf8d | is just checking out a new dockapp |
| 01:21:14 | iLLf8d | its got alot of pretty lights and numbers still trying to figure out their meaning =P |
| 01:21:19 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 01:22:14 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 01:24:11 | iLLf8d | i bbl dinner, may checkout the sources and see if i'm totally lost of if I can help out =) |
| 01:24:22 | vogon_jeltz | k, bye :) |
| 01:24:25 | iLLf8d | gotta figure out cvs first, only used it a few times |
| 01:24:37 | iLLf8d | thanks for the info |
| 01:24:41 | iLLf8d | bbiaf |
| 01:24:46 | vogon_jeltz | if you plan to submit a patch, post it on SF, don't CVS it up |
| 01:24:53 | iLLf8d | post it? |
| 01:24:57 | vogon_jeltz | all patches are peer-reviewed and merged by Tim |
| 01:25:03 | iLLf8d | uhm ok i'll look into it |
| 01:25:12 | vogon_jeltz | cya |
| 01:25:14 | iLLf8d | not too SF savy heh |
| 01:25:22 | iLLf8d | heard it had alot of fancy functionatlity heh |
| 01:26:31 | vogon_jeltz | check out sourceforge.net/projects/alexandria |
| 01:26:39 | vogon_jeltz | it's the project page for sourceforge itself :) |
| 01:45:45 | vogon_jeltz | hi, Tim |
| 01:45:56 | vogon_jeltz | does a triple-Rimmer salute :) |
| 01:49:34 | vogon_jeltz | is away: eating fast food |
| 01:49:48 | vogon_jeltz | does a quadruple-Rimmer salute |
| 02:44:23 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 00:54:48) |
| 03:05:54 | vogon_jeltz | is away: watching Back to the Future |
| 03:51:56 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 00:46:01) |
| 04:05:06 | vogon_jeltz | slaps BZFlag about a bit with a large trout |
| 04:05:09 | vogon_jeltz | you there, Tim? |
| 04:05:19 | vogon_jeltz | does another triple-Rimmer salute to BZFlag |
| 04:31:39 | vogon_jeltz | is away: afk |
| 04:54:09 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 00:22:29) |
| 05:26:35 | BZFlag | sup? |
| 06:05:30 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 06:05:33 | vogon_jeltz | not much :) |
| 06:47:09 | captain_proton | hi guys |
| 06:58:02 | vogon_jeltz | hey, proton |
| 06:58:05 | captain_proton | whats up |
| 06:58:06 | captain_proton | ? |
| 06:58:10 | vogon_jeltz | nuttin' |
| 06:58:19 | vogon_jeltz | just playing the Return to Castle Wolfenstein demo |
| 07:19:37 | captain_proton | fun |
| 07:19:54 | vogon_jeltz | you should get it... it's not a traditional FPS |
| 07:20:38 | captain_proton | how so? |
| 07:20:50 | vogon_jeltz | it's more strategic than, say, Q3A |
| 07:21:05 | vogon_jeltz | besides, you've got the bandwidth to get it in 4 minutes :) |
| 07:21:35 | vogon_jeltz | in the demo, you're storming an Axis-controlled beach... or defending it, depending on the side you choose |
| 07:23:42 | vogon_jeltz | is away: playing RTCW |
| 08:20:11 | captain_proton | wb |
| 08:20:17 | vogon_jeltz | thx :) |
| 08:20:29 | captain_proton | you're up later than usual |
| 08:20:34 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 08:20:57 | vogon_jeltz | not really |
| 08:21:05 | vogon_jeltz | my box froze... a couple of times |
| 08:21:19 | captain_proton | in linux?!? |
| 08:21:22 | vogon_jeltz | and it turns out that fscking POS HeadRat disables Magic SysRq |
| 08:29:30 | vogon_jeltz | is away: playing RTCW |
| 08:30:56 | captain_proton | redhat doesn't disable sysrq |
| 19:46:25 | iLLf8d | anyone around? |
| 19:47:40 | iLLf8d | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag login |
| 19:47:46 | iLLf8d | I get a failed to open .cvspass |
| 19:51:47 | captain_proton | hi |
| 19:52:13 | captain_proton | don't try logging in - just do a cvs co bzflag |
| 19:52:34 | iLLf8d | uhm |
| 19:53:32 | captain_proton | anonymous doesn't have write access to the repository |
| 19:54:09 | iLLf8d | uhm |
| 19:54:16 | iLLf8d | I didn't think I was trying to write |
| 19:54:26 | captain_proton | to login i think it tries to write something |
| 19:54:26 | iLLf8d | I was just trying to get the sources downloaded |
| 19:54:38 | iLLf8d | wierd |
| 19:54:39 | captain_proton | anonymous shouldn't have to log in |
| 19:54:44 | iLLf8d | I was just using what was on the webpage |
| 19:55:03 | captain_proton | try not doing the login and proceeding directly to the check out |
| 19:55:35 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: you don't write when logging in |
| 20:04:30 | captain_proton | hi vogon_jeltz |
| 20:50:28 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 11:42:12) |
| 20:50:54 | vogon_jeltz | hi, proton |
| 20:51:02 | vogon_jeltz | was just playing some RTCW |
| 20:58:51 | captain_proton | fun |
| 20:59:17 | vogon_jeltz | heh... the Axis teams on most servers so totally suck |
| 20:59:57 | vogon_jeltz | I was able to breach a sea wall, retrieve some documents, and transmit them while dying only once in the process |
| 21:00:08 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 21:00:40 | captain_proton | how are the graphics in the game? |
| 21:00:44 | vogon_jeltz | really nice |
| 21:00:58 | vogon_jeltz | nice atmospheric effects, nice particle system, nice explosions... |
| 21:01:05 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 21:01:18 | vogon_jeltz | and the flamethrower kicks ass :) |
| 21:01:56 | captain_proton | its funny - with my monitor/video card i sometimes get nauseous playing fps' |
| 21:02:03 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 21:02:20 | vogon_jeltz | my box can play it smoothly, so yours should be able to |
| 21:02:31 | captain_proton | what resolution is yours at? |
| 21:02:35 | vogon_jeltz | 1024x768x16 |
| 21:02:56 | vogon_jeltz | Carmack & Co. did a nice job this time :) |
| 21:03:15 | captain_proton | is this running on the new doom engine |
| 21:03:17 | captain_proton | ? |
| 21:03:22 | vogon_jeltz | yes, I think :/ |
| 21:04:38 | captain_proton | yay! |
| 21:05:31 | vogon_jeltz | it's at ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/wolf/linux/wolfmptest-0.7.16-1.x86.run |
| 21:05:39 | captain_proton | the new doom engine is designed around the geforce 3's features |
| 21:05:51 | vogon_jeltz | bork you :P |
| 21:06:26 | captain_proton | the ftp site is full |
| 21:06:29 | captain_proton | bork? |
| 21:06:37 | vogon_jeltz | heh... kinda like fsck |
| 21:07:09 | vogon_jeltz | here, I'll dcc it to you :P |
| 21:07:28 | captain_proton | ok |
| 21:07:39 | captain_proton | how big is it? |
| 21:07:41 | vogon_jeltz | it's 67 megs... do you think I'm crazy? |
| 21:07:57 | captain_proton | yes |
| 21:08:03 | captain_proton | i'll just keep hammering the 3ddownloads server |
| 21:08:14 | vogon_jeltz | try id's server |
| 21:08:20 | captain_proton | id's is full |
| 21:08:25 | captain_proton | thats why i'm on 3ddownloads |
| 21:08:25 | vogon_jeltz | keep hammering it |
| 21:08:27 | captain_proton | more capacity |
| 21:08:31 | vogon_jeltz | ahh, OK |
| 21:08:38 | vogon_jeltz | capacity doesn't mean much to a dialup user :) |
| 21:09:09 | captain_proton | likes ncftpget |
| 21:09:16 | captain_proton | more users rather |
| 21:09:17 | vogon_jeltz | likes wget |
| 21:10:57 | captain_proton | it started |
| 21:11:07 | captain_proton | only 56kbps though :( |
| 21:11:18 | vogon_jeltz | hah! |
| 21:11:30 | vogon_jeltz | wait, Kbps, or KBps? |
| 21:11:36 | captain_proton | KBps |
| 21:11:38 | vogon_jeltz | ahh |
| 21:11:43 | vogon_jeltz | still pretty good, tho :/ |
| 21:11:49 | captain_proton | argh another 13 minutes |
| 21:12:05 | vogon_jeltz | heh |
| 21:12:37 | vogon_jeltz | you can host the server if you want |
| 21:13:45 | captain_proton | has loads of calc homework to do |
| 21:13:52 | vogon_jeltz | :( |
| 21:14:32 | captain_proton | each stupid problem takes 2 pages |
| 21:14:37 | vogon_jeltz | :/ |
| 21:47:29 | vogon_jeltz | is away: playing some RTCW |