| 00:13:24 | captain_proton | hey tim i couldn't figure out how to put stuff on the wiki |
| 00:19:53 | BZFlag | huh? click edit on a page to edit. ;-) to deate a new page, either just make a link from somewhere link the main page, or type in a url like: |
| 00:20:22 | BZFlag | http://BZFlag.org/wiki/view.php?topic=FooBar |
| 03:47:24 | captain_proton | you there sig? |
| 03:58:16 | captain_proton | woohoo! got my whitepaper posted on the wiki |
| 04:11:47 | BZFlag | sees a topic, but no paper. |
| 04:12:10 | vogon_jeltz | hrm, that's one white whitepaper :) |
| 04:12:43 | captain_proton | there was some MIT hack that came with a whitepaper |
| 04:12:51 | captain_proton | 1 postscript page of nothing |
| 04:13:30 | vogon_jeltz | roflmao |
| 04:13:57 | vogon_jeltz | wants to go to MIT even more now |
| 04:14:00 | captain_proton | send me your protocol mess so i can change my whitepaper with all your good ideas |
| 04:14:08 | vogon_jeltz | erk |
| 04:14:14 | vogon_jeltz | let me see your whitepaper first |
| 04:14:21 | vogon_jeltz | and I'll write some proposed changes |
| 04:14:35 | captain_proton | JUST SEND ME YOUR PROTOCOL STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:18:48 | vogon_jeltz | looks good right now |
| 04:20:30 | vogon_jeltz | the way I implement the initial MD5 handshaking stuff is to tack the 16-byte MD5 hash to the end of the MsgEnter |
| 04:21:07 | vogon_jeltz | if it's not a trusted build, the server sends back MsgSuperKill |
| 04:21:08 | captain_proton | i'm thinking that if we're going to change the protocol, why not go all the way? |
| 04:21:15 | vogon_jeltz | good point |
| 04:21:15 | captain_proton | oh you're talking about that |
| 04:21:24 | vogon_jeltz | that's why I'm for your XML stuff |
| 04:21:48 | captain_proton | :D |
| 04:22:16 | captain_proton | see my comment about LZS compression? |
| 04:22:30 | captain_proton | with a small protocol like this we can get about 25-1! |
| 04:22:48 | vogon_jeltz | that would be fscking cool |
| 04:22:50 | vogon_jeltz | :) |
| 04:23:09 | vogon_jeltz | people with 56k modems could run servers! |
| 04:23:29 | captain_proton | but as tim rightly pointed out, it only makes sense to use XML for the initial handshaking & world |
| 04:23:45 | vogon_jeltz | yeah :( |
| 04:24:12 | captain_proton | the thing is, even though XML can compress, it makes everything a lot bigger |
| 04:26:09 | vogon_jeltz | the thing I bog at is that UT servers can be run on 56k modems and BZ can't |
| 04:26:33 | captain_proton | they probably have a streaming protocol |
| 04:26:40 | vogon_jeltz | would chip apart the protocol, but... :( |
| 04:27:01 | captain_proton | ask frank to explain his p2501 protocol to you |
| 04:27:05 | vogon_jeltz | k |
| 04:27:10 | vogon_jeltz | I'll try not to get blown away :) |
| 05:09:17 | captain_proton | you still there? |
| 05:09:38 | vogon_jeltz | yes |
| 05:09:49 | captain_proton | send me your protocol stuff |
| 05:10:42 | captain_proton | heh...nvidia has a bunch of technical demos w/ source code |
| 17:53:41 | captain_proton | hi tim |
| 20:10:26 | XEpsilon | hey |
| 20:10:58 | XEpsilon | cool game, it came with IRIX 6.5 on my O2 |
| 20:11:31 | XEpsilon | hey aaronl |
| 20:11:47 | aaronl | http://ftp1.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag-1.7e2_n32.tardist |
| 20:11:54 | XEpsilon | cool |
| 20:11:55 | aaronl | XEpsilon: grab that if it's newer than your versionm |
| 20:12:01 | XEpsilon | uhm .. |
| 20:12:04 | XEpsilon | how do i query my version? |
| 20:12:23 | XEpsilon | brb before i kick your ass i better learn all the keys =D |
| 20:12:27 | aaronl | gar, no wget! |
| 20:13:14 | XEpsilon | yeah so there's no accelerate key? |
| 20:13:16 | XEpsilon | it just goes forward? |
| 20:13:23 | XEpsilon | (with mouse to navigate) |
| 20:13:39 | aaronl | not with Bz |
| 20:13:40 | aaronl | but whatever |
| 20:13:53 | aaronl | sourceforge is slooow |
| 20:14:53 | XEpsilon | aha the man page explains controls |
| 20:15:19 | aaronl | y'know, bzflag would probably run even better on your linux sys |
| 20:15:26 | aaronl | since you have uber-eleet opengl there |
| 20:15:33 | aaronl | apt-get install bzflag |
| 20:15:41 | XEpsilon | heh |
| 20:15:46 | XEpsilon | that would be boring though =) |
| 20:15:52 | BZFlag | http://www.pdadeals.net/crucialredirect.html < 15% discount and free shipping on memory. 32M for 33.99 |
| 20:15:53 | XEpsilon | i'd rather use my badass SGI O2 |
| 20:15:59 | BZFlag | eep, wrong channel. |
| 20:16:04 | XEpsilon | heh BZFlag |
| 20:16:05 | aaronl | BZFlag: haha |
| 20:16:31 | BZFlag | well you guys might want cheap memory too. ;-) |
| 20:16:43 | aaronl | i got 512mb for like $65 recently :) |
| 20:16:57 | aaronl | patch 1979 -- O2 graphics performance and bug fixes (recommended for all O2 users) |
| 20:17:01 | aaronl | misha, make sure you installed that |
| 20:17:02 | XEpsilon | yeah so i get about 60-70 fps on my O2 |
| 20:17:21 | aaronl | erm, BZFlag, do i want 1.6 for my old indy? |
| 20:17:23 | XEpsilon | aaronl: how new is the patch? |
| 20:17:35 | aaronl | XEpsilon: 1979 :) |
| 20:17:57 | XEpsilon | that tells me nothing =P |
| 20:18:06 | XEpsilon | i think i have good enough performance on my O2 |
| 20:18:20 | XEpsilon | i mean this bzflag is included in the SGI Demos package |
| 20:18:25 | XEpsilon | so i trust it's good |
| 20:18:36 | aaronl | i have a choice between Mesa on an athlon and an old indy |
| 20:18:36 | aaronl | hmm |
| 20:18:52 | XEpsilon | aaronl: you're running the server right? =) |
| 20:18:53 | BZFlag | XEpsilon: what version did they include? |
| 20:18:59 | XEpsilon | BZFlag: how do i find out? |
| 20:19:14 | BZFlag | Just start it and watch the message window. |
| 20:19:29 | aaronl | XEpsilon: we'll use a 3rd party server |
| 20:19:34 | XEpsilon | mah .......... message window? |
| 20:19:40 | XEpsilon | what message window? |
| 20:20:02 | BZFlag | ok, then: bzflag -version |
| 20:20:16 | XEpsilon | bzflag version BZFS0102 |
| 20:20:35 | XEpsilon | is that old? |
| 20:20:39 | BZFlag | 1.2? wow, that's old. |
| 20:20:42 | aaronl | yeah |
| 20:20:43 | XEpsilon | lol |
| 20:20:46 | aaronl | grab 1.7 |
| 20:20:49 | XEpsilon | haha |
| 20:20:55 | aaronl | look at the screenshots |
| 20:20:56 | XEpsilon | yeah okay .. |
| 20:20:59 | XEpsilon | where's the tardist again? |
| 20:20:59 | aaronl | http://BZFlag.org/screenshots.html |
| 20:21:07 | aaronl | http://ftp2.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag-1.7e2_n32.tardist |
| 20:21:14 | XEpsilon | WHHOA |
| 20:21:16 | aaronl | look at the screenshots though |
| 20:21:16 | XEpsilon | it has textures now!? |
| 20:21:18 | XEpsilon | COOOL!! |
| 20:21:19 | aaronl | yeah |
| 20:21:21 | XEpsilon | hahahaha |
| 20:21:26 | XEpsilon | mine was completely texture-less and plain |
| 20:21:31 | XEpsilon | i thought it was awesome =P |
| 20:21:48 | XEpsilon | wow damn those are some nice graphics |
| 20:22:05 | XEpsilon | wgets the tardist |
| 20:22:19 | XEpsilon | damn SF is being slow |
| 20:22:33 | XEpsilon | go speed racer! |
| 20:22:36 | aaronl | i know |
| 20:22:38 | aaronl | it's being awful |
| 20:22:45 | aaronl | hrm, how do i install it again? |
| 20:22:46 | XEpsilon | GRRRRRRRR |
| 20:22:50 | XEpsilon | inst -f <tardist> |
| 20:22:52 | XEpsilon | then do 'go' |
| 20:23:05 | aaronl | didnt work |
| 20:23:14 | | "Da sky" |
| 20:23:14 | XEpsilon | what's up? |
| 20:23:16 | XEpsilon | missing dependencies ? |
| 20:23:30 | XEpsilon | maybe IRIX 6.2 is different then =P |
| 20:23:30 | aaronl | no |
| 20:23:49 | aaronl | it said "ERROR: the product blab blah.tardist is bad." |
| 20:23:53 | XEpsilon | aaronl: uhm .. |
| 20:24:00 | XEpsilon | heh they might've changed their format between 6.2 and 6.5 |
| 20:24:10 | aaronl | this one is for irix 5.x up |
| 20:24:14 | XEpsilon | oh .. |
| 20:24:15 | XEpsilon | hmm odd |
| 20:24:44 | XEpsilon | damn only 35% done with bzflag tardist .. |
| 20:24:48 | aaronl | BZFlag? any clues? |
| 20:24:50 | XEpsilon | stalled again |
| 20:24:55 | aaronl | XEpsilon: sourceforge is being AWFUL today |
| 20:25:00 | XEpsilon | aaronl: ja. |
| 20:25:46 | XEpsilon | wow the zoom thing in the file browser is cool |
| 20:25:50 | XEpsilon | i can totally zoom in on the icons |
| 20:26:17 | BZFlag | no clues here. Don't have an irix box. ask on the mailing lists perhaps. |
| 20:26:19 | aaronl | that's like nautilus |
| 20:26:26 | XEpsilon | aaronl: rather nautilus is like IRIX |
| 20:27:10 | XEpsilon | so why are you using ftp2 ? |
| 20:27:24 | XEpsilon | just plain ftp.sourceforge.net seems a little more responsive |
| 20:28:31 | aaronl | WARNING: Skipping product ./bzflag. Use newer version of the installation tool to read this product |
| 20:28:49 | XEpsilon | whoa |
| 20:28:53 | XEpsilon | the distort demo is impressive |
| 20:29:06 | XEpsilon | it shows a picture and you can click anywhere on it |
| 20:29:11 | XEpsilon | and it causes ripples like as if it's water |
| 20:29:14 | XEpsilon | and it has very impressive graphics |
| 20:29:27 | aaronl | yes, ftp.sourceforge.net is better |
| 20:29:33 | aaronl | downloading an o32 version |
| 20:30:14 | XEpsilon | 80 % ... |
| 20:30:39 | captain_proton | hello guys |
| 20:30:53 | XEpsilon | hi captain_proton |
| 20:30:58 | captain_proton | wow...more people here than i've ever seen before |
| 20:31:23 | XEpsilon | runs inst -f on the tardist |
| 20:31:31 | XEpsilon | unpacking .. |
| 20:32:32 | aaronl | 80% |
| 20:32:43 | XEpsilon | Warning (sgidemos.ftr): iconlib/3da.fti is missing. |
| 20:32:43 | XEpsilon | Warning (sgidemos.ftr): iconlib/Mahjongg.fti is missing. |
| 20:32:43 | XEpsilon | Warning (sgidemos.ftr): iconlib/Newton.fti is missing. |
| 20:32:44 | XEpsilon | Warning (sgidemos.ftr): iconlib/bz.fti is missing. |
| 20:32:45 | XEpsilon | ... and so on |
| 20:32:46 | XEpsilon | weird oh well |
| 20:33:11 | aaronl | heh, i have bzflag on my athlon |
| 20:33:18 | XEpsilon | want a b iscuit? |
| 20:33:48 | aaronl | KEWL |
| 20:33:50 | aaronl | ITS INSTALLING |
| 20:33:56 | aaronl | the o32 package works |
| 20:34:03 | XEpsilon | gah this tardist is being a bitch |
| 20:34:10 | XEpsilon | i'll use the swmgr to remove bzflag from sgidemos |
| 20:34:13 | XEpsilon | then i'll install the tardsit |
| 20:35:26 | XEpsilon | AGH |
| 20:35:32 | XEpsilon | it is claimg it is not installed |
| 20:35:33 | XEpsilon | DIE |
| 20:35:57 | XEpsilon | oh nm |
| 20:35:59 | XEpsilon | here it is =D |
| 20:36:10 | XEpsilon | removing it from sgidemos |
| 20:37:17 | XEpsilon | uninstalls bzflag so he can reinstall it =P |
| 20:37:37 | XEpsilon | installing .. |
| 20:39:26 | XEpsilon | gahr |
| 20:39:30 | XEpsilon | to where does it install the bzflag binary? |
| 20:39:59 | captain_proton | look in /usr/X11R6/bin/ |
| 20:40:00 | aaronl | i was kinda wondering the same thing |
| 20:40:13 | aaronl | nope |
| 20:40:15 | XEpsilon | hmm /usr/X11R6 doesn't exist |
| 20:40:18 | XEpsilon | and it's not in /usr/bin/X11 |
| 20:40:39 | XEpsilon | running find on /usr |
| 20:40:47 | XEpsilon | gee this'll take a while |
| 20:40:47 | aaronl | i already did |
| 20:40:48 | aaronl | no luck |
| 20:40:54 | XEpsilon | aaronl: broken tardist then |
| 20:40:56 | captain_proton | which bzflag? |
| 20:41:00 | XEpsilon | i saw it install manual and data |
| 20:41:01 | XEpsilon | captain_proton: IRIX |
| 20:41:12 | captain_proton | i mean try running 'which bzflag' |
| 20:41:16 | XEpsilon | i didn't see it install binaries |
| 20:41:17 | XEpsilon | captain_proton: nope |
| 20:41:30 | XEpsilon | yeah bzflag installed all the data |
| 20:41:33 | XEpsilon | but no binaries |
| 20:41:38 | XEpsilon | i'll compile it myself; no biggy |
| 20:41:47 | XEpsilon | uninstalls the tardist |
| 20:41:52 | aaronl | when you do, email me the binary |
| 20:41:57 | XEpsilon | aaronl: haw =D |
| 20:42:06 | aaronl | oh hey, popcorn's here |
| 20:42:25 | XEpsilon | aaronl: the same binary will work on your Indy ya think? |
| 20:42:48 | aaronl | *shrug* |
| 20:43:18 | XEpsilon | downloading source package |
| 20:43:22 | XEpsilon | getting 140k/sec |
| 20:43:23 | XEpsilon | yay |
| 20:43:58 | XEpsilon | uhm |
| 20:44:03 | XEpsilon | should i make irix-mips2 or irix-mips3 ? |
| 20:44:45 | XEpsilon | i think 3. |
| 20:44:47 | aaronl | 3 |
| 20:45:19 | XEpsilon | it's using lame mipspro |
| 20:45:22 | XEpsilon | aha make failed, gmake works |
| 20:45:31 | XEpsilon | hey i think it's actually going to work with mips pro |
| 20:45:33 | XEpsilon | WHOA |
| 20:45:35 | XEpsilon | it worked!! |
| 20:45:35 | XEpsilon | amazing |
| 20:45:40 | XEpsilon | erhm |
| 20:45:42 | XEpsilon | no it didn't =P |
| 20:45:44 | XEpsilon | i don't have nroff |
| 20:45:52 | aaronl | hahahah |
| 20:45:52 | XEpsilon | oh but that's for man pages |
| 20:46:04 | XEpsilon | man pages are gay anyway |
| 20:46:08 | aaronl | goes to play bzflag, see you later |
| 20:47:03 | XEpsilon | installs groff |
| 20:47:45 | XEpsilon | it didn't build the rest because the man pages failed |
| 20:47:47 | XEpsilon | lame ...... |
| 20:48:43 | aaronl | heh |
| 20:48:52 | aaronl | i was getting as low as 2fps |
| 20:48:53 | XEpsilon | does a quick alias nroff='groff' |
| 20:48:56 | aaronl | mesa sucks |
| 20:49:19 | XEpsilon | gah right Makefile is different .. |
| 20:49:27 | XEpsilon | edits Makefile |
| 20:50:32 | XEpsilon | yay it works with groff |
| 20:51:12 | XEpsilon | oh it failed compilation |
| 20:51:17 | XEpsilon | CC ERROR: cannot exec /usr/lib32/cmplrs/fecc |
| 20:51:24 | aaronl | IRIS 9# got a light? |
| 20:51:24 | aaronl | No match |
| 20:51:30 | XEpsilon | am thinkink it is beink time to use gcc-3.0 |
| 20:52:33 | XEpsilon | oh my god .. |
| 20:52:35 | XEpsilon | THIS GREP IS EVIL! |
| 20:52:38 | XEpsilon | it doesn't have -r !!!!! |
| 20:52:56 | captain_proton | IRIX can be frustrating :) |
| 20:54:00 | BZFlag | XEpsilon: that'e what make -i is for |
| 20:54:09 | XEpsilon | BZFlag: huh? |
| 20:54:21 | BZFlag | to get by things that don't build. |
| 20:54:35 | XEpsilon | gah damnit bzflag totally doesn't want to use gcc |
| 20:54:37 | BZFlag | but getting an irix gcc is probably a Good Thing. |
| 20:54:54 | BZFlag | huh? I build with gcc |
| 20:55:00 | XEpsilon | BZFlag: on IRIX? |
| 20:55:04 | BZFlag | no |
| 20:55:06 | XEpsilon | it seems to want to use my MIPS Pro shit |
| 20:55:13 | XEpsilon | MIPS Pro = LAME |
| 20:55:40 | BZFlag | vi configs/config-irix-mips2 |
| 20:55:41 | XEpsilon | it's so lame it doesn't even fucking work most of the time |
| 20:55:55 | XEpsilon | mips3 |
| 20:56:15 | BZFlag | ok, vi configs/config-irix-mips3 then. |
| 20:56:55 | XEpsilon | what is CXX ? |
| 20:57:11 | captain_proton | C++ compiler |
| 20:57:22 | XEpsilon | ah |
| 20:57:33 | BZFlag | ibot: CXX is te C++ compiler |
| 20:57:39 | BZFlag | ibot: CXX is the C++ compiler |
| 20:57:50 | XEpsilon | come on gcc .. build this baby |
| 20:57:58 | XEpsilon | gah |
| 20:57:59 | XEpsilon | totally flunked |
| 20:58:09 | XEpsilon | didn't even have a chance |
| 20:58:13 | XEpsilon | maybe i shold try the linux configuration |
| 20:58:47 | BZFlag | if/when you get it working, patches are appretiated. ;-) |
| 20:58:54 | XEpsilon | edits the path to gcc and g++ in Linux configuration file |
| 21:00:35 | aaronl | you DO NOT want the linux config |
| 21:00:44 | captain_proton | BZFlag, did you read my thingy about xml? |
| 21:01:54 | XEpsilon | damnit |
| 21:01:56 | XEpsilon | IRIX sucks |
| 21:01:57 | XEpsilon | heh |
| 21:02:06 | XEpsilon | it is SO not building |
| 21:03:09 | XEpsilon | CC ERROR: cannot exec /usr/lib32/cmplrs/fecc |
| 21:03:19 | XEpsilon | where do i get this lame fecc from? |
| 21:03:49 | XEpsilon | it has an fec |
| 21:03:52 | XEpsilon | not fecc |
| 21:04:48 | XEpsilon | The MIPSpro C Compiler |
| 21:04:49 | XEpsilon | (license FEATURE string = cc) |
| 21:04:49 | XEpsilon | requires a license password. |
| 21:04:50 | XEpsilon | as usual.. |
| 21:05:02 | XEpsilon | okay i give up .. tardist time again |
| 21:07:11 | XEpsilon | AHA |
| 21:07:13 | XEpsilon | i figured it out |
| 21:07:28 | XEpsilon | aaronl: the tardist sucks and doesn't install the binaries by default |
| 21:07:41 | XEpsilon | before you do go, you want to do 'install bzflag.sw.bzflag' |
| 21:07:46 | XEpsilon | then it should all be fine |
| 21:07:59 | aaronl | GAH |
| 21:07:59 | XEpsilon | there we go! installing |
| 21:08:11 | XEpsilon | BZFlag: a bug you might want to look into =) |
| 21:08:23 | XEpsilon | it should be installed /usr/local/bin i believe |
| 21:08:29 | XEpsilon | yep! |
| 21:08:46 | aaronl | going |
| 21:08:49 | aaronl | you should report a bug |
| 21:09:18 | XEpsilon | BZFlag: hey i remember this game now. i tried it on my laptop before and it was super-slow. i think it should be decent on this O2 though |
| 21:09:25 | XEpsilon | my laptop only has 2mb of vram .. shitty neomagic |
| 21:09:34 | aaronl | okay, it works |
| 21:09:39 | XEpsilon | aaronl: run your server |
| 21:09:42 | XEpsilon | errr |
| 21:09:47 | XEpsilon | someon run a server |
| 21:09:50 | XEpsilon | wait hold up |
| 21:09:52 | XEpsilon | i want to test this out first |
| 21:10:10 | captain_proton | try this one: babylonia.flatirons.org:6166 |
| 21:10:12 | aaronl | ok shit |
| 21:10:15 | aaronl | i turned on texturing |
| 21:10:19 | aaronl | now it's like 3 secs per frame |
| 21:10:30 | captain_proton | oh wait |
| 21:10:35 | captain_proton | not 6166 i don't think |
| 21:10:39 | captain_proton | just use the server list :P |
| 21:10:53 | XEpsilon | captain_proton: okay |
| 21:12:12 | aaronl | it's tryign to connect to groundhog.pair.com |
| 21:13:06 | aaronl | server |
| 21:13:07 | aaronl | ? |
| 21:13:51 | aaronl | i'm on rikers.org |
| 21:15:59 | BZFlag | aaronl: -list bzflist://209.140.76.229 |
| 21:19:43 | aaronl | heh, it only found rikers.org |
| 21:20:03 | aaronl | that or it hung |
| 21:20:29 | aaronl | n/m |
| 21:22:39 | aaronl | damnit |
| 21:22:44 | aaronl | i was only getting 1 or 2 fps |
| 21:22:47 | aaronl | with all options off |
| 21:22:57 | aaronl | :-/ |
| 21:24:28 | XEpsilon | yeah okay bzflag sucks on my O2 |
| 21:24:29 | XEpsilon | 10fps |
| 21:24:44 | XEpsilon | brb going to power on my workstation so i need to steal keyboard, mouse, monitor |
| 21:29:20 | XEpsilon | back with a real machine |
| 21:42:27 | aaronl | hmm, i just got a patch from a gcc developer |
| 23:01:57 | BZFlag | XEpsilon: what res screen? I get like 20 fps on a P133 @ 640x480 software. |
| 23:05:16 | captain_proton | BZFlag, you there right now? |
| 23:12:02 | XEpsilon | BZFlag: 1024x768 |
| 23:12:21 | vogon_jeltz | no, 800x600 :) |
| 23:12:27 | vogon_jeltz | what're we talking about? |
| 23:12:32 | captain_proton | hey vogon |
| 23:12:35 | XEpsilon | <BZFlag> XEpsilon: what res screen? I get like 20 fps on a P133 @ 640x480 software. |
| 23:12:49 | XEpsilon | i was saying how i got 10fps on my SGI O2 at 1024x768 |
| 23:13:01 | captain_proton | hmm that doesn' |
| 23:13:04 | captain_proton | t sound right |
| 23:13:05 | XEpsilon | my workstation with 1GHz Athlon and GeForce II MX gets 100+fps at 1024x768 |
| 23:13:46 | XEpsilon | oh and yeah ... the O2 has minimal settings (no textures, low quality) |
| 23:13:50 | vogon_jeltz | proton: here's the new protocol def with some of my changes merged with your preliminary XML stuff |
| 23:13:51 | XEpsilon | and my workstation has the highest settings |
| 23:14:03 | captain_proton | ok thanks |
| 23:14:03 | vogon_jeltz | XEpsilon: what map are you getting 100+ fps on? |
| 23:14:11 | XEpsilon | vogon_jeltz: that .... map |
| 23:14:16 | XEpsilon | the one with like the central tower |
| 23:14:22 | XEpsilon | and all these lvels of platforms surrounding it |
| 23:14:30 | vogon_jeltz | hey, that's mine! |
| 23:14:35 | captain_proton | which server - babylonia.flatirons.org? |
| 23:14:38 | XEpsilon | yes |
| 23:14:40 | vogon_jeltz | :)) |
| 23:14:42 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: thats not yours |
| 23:14:45 | captain_proton | thats decks |
| 23:14:47 | vogon_jeltz | the map is |
| 23:14:50 | vogon_jeltz | oh, sorry |
| 23:14:52 | vogon_jeltz | :P |
| 23:14:55 | vogon_jeltz | I thought it was |
| 23:14:59 | XEpsilon | heh |
| 23:15:01 | vogon_jeltz | but decks has no central tower |
| 23:15:07 | XEpsilon | yes it uhm does |
| 23:15:12 | XEpsilon | it has this tower structure in the middle |
| 23:15:22 | vogon_jeltz | didn't last time I saw it :) |
| 23:15:32 | captain_proton | yes it does |
| 23:15:32 | XEpsilon | dunno, just started playing this |
| 23:15:33 | captain_proton | not really a tower |
| 23:15:33 | vogon_jeltz | hrm |
| 23:15:35 | captain_proton | the steps with the teleporter on top |
| 23:15:35 | vogon_jeltz | needs to play some more BZFlag |
| 23:15:38 | XEpsilon | i saw bzflag 1.2 on IRIX and i was impressed |
| 23:15:52 | XEpsilon | i'm going to play some more, brb |
| 23:16:03 | captain_proton | vogon_jeltz: your file segfaults abiword :) |
| 23:16:06 | vogon_jeltz | rofl |
| 23:16:06 | captain_proton | send it in rtf |
| 23:16:17 | vogon_jeltz | not if you have the CVS AbiWord |
| 23:16:17 | vogon_jeltz | :) |
| 23:16:18 | vogon_jeltz | is cutting-edge |
| 23:16:26 | captain_proton | send it in rtf!!! |
| 23:16:31 | vogon_jeltz | no |
| 23:16:46 | captain_proton | well then at least send it in a format i can read |
| 23:17:08 | captain_proton | i suppose i could just extract it from the xml |
| 23:18:35 | captain_proton | thanks |
| 23:18:48 | vogon_jeltz | you are captain_proton@babylonia.flatirons.org, right? |
| 23:18:57 | vogon_jeltz | or just david? |
| 23:19:11 | vogon_jeltz | has the master copy of the protocol def and he needs to give credit where it's due |
| 23:19:27 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: I haven't added in your DTD yet, though |
| 23:19:58 | captain_proton | jupiter@babylonia.flatirons.org |
| 23:20:03 | vogon_jeltz | duh |
| 23:20:04 | vogon_jeltz | :) |
| 23:20:07 | captain_proton | i see some malformed xml in your spec |
| 23:20:14 | captain_proton | <version ok> isn't proper |
| 23:20:16 | vogon_jeltz | has a memory like a steel trap -- old and rusty |
| 23:20:20 | captain_proton | try <version>ok</version> |
| 23:20:26 | vogon_jeltz | captain_proton: I know, I'm not an XML guy |
| 23:21:13 | vogon_jeltz | I added the self-closing thingy <version ok /> |
| 23:21:37 | captain_proton | but still |
| 23:21:42 | vogon_jeltz | k |
| 23:21:47 | vogon_jeltz | I'll fix it |
| 23:21:48 | captain_proton | you can't have the ok attribute without a value |
| 23:21:53 | vogon_jeltz | OK |
| 23:21:54 | vogon_jeltz | :) |
| 23:22:08 | captain_proton | join game should be xml |
| 23:22:16 | captain_proton | unlimited email address length |
| 23:22:26 | vogon_jeltz | OK, but I didn't want to tinker with your ideas yet |
| 23:22:28 | captain_proton | plus you can send back more information if the join fails |
| 23:23:22 | captain_proton | oh - i was thinking it would be nice to send game options before the world |
| 23:23:30 | vogon_jeltz | :) |
| 23:23:36 | vogon_jeltz | it already does it that way |
| 23:23:39 | captain_proton | i'm tired of trying to join & waiting a minute for the world to download only to be told rogues aren't allowed |
| 23:24:04 | captain_proton | that will be partially fixed with world caching |
| 23:25:10 | captain_proton | you want to integrate for dead reckoning?!?!?!?! |
| 23:25:19 | vogon_jeltz | sorry |
| 23:25:28 | vogon_jeltz | I was sleepy that day |
| 23:25:28 | vogon_jeltz | I'll work on it |
| 23:25:28 | vogon_jeltz | :) |
| 23:25:30 | captain_proton | you could maybe use a fast de solver |
| 23:25:44 | captain_proton | runge-kutta or something similar |
| 23:25:53 | vogon_jeltz | loves Runge-Kutta IV |
| 23:27:27 | vogon_jeltz | works on the def |
| 23:27:40 | vogon_jeltz | is away: working on a protocol definition |
| 23:27:50 | captain_proton | is away: at rehearsal |
| 23:41:27 | vogon_jeltz | is back (gone 00:13:47) |