irclog2html for bzflag on 2001.08.01

01:57:30captain_protonStedden: who are you?
01:57:42Steddenum, a fan of bzflag
01:57:57captain_protonoic
01:58:03captain_protonhi there
01:58:07privet, Stedden
01:58:07Steddenhi
01:58:17Steddenbut...
01:58:30Steddenit says welcome
01:58:35Steddenand its official
01:59:18captain_protonhuh?
02:01:09captain_protonwhat do you mean?
02:02:21Stedden<ibot> privet, Stedden
02:09:44captain_protonis away: I'm probably eating
02:57:17captain_protonis back (gone 00:47:33)
06:32:12vogon_jeltzis away: playing MindRover in a window while waiting for a multi-player game of Descent3 to be set up
06:35:29vogon_jeltzis back (gone 00:03:19)
06:35:40captain_protonhi
06:35:44vogon_jeltzyo
06:35:52captain_protondo you know if theres a way to make xchat send nickserv a message automatically?
06:36:11vogon_jeltzyeah; create a user-defined command
06:36:18vogon_jeltz(Identify, right?) ;-)
06:36:31captain_protonyep
06:37:11vogon_jeltzI have a command that I defined called /login...
06:37:34captain_protonok...what do I do in this screen?
06:37:47captain_protonwhat do I put on the left side?
06:37:52vogon_jeltz /msg NickServ IDENTIFY (my password)
06:38:02vogon_jeltzthat's the right side
06:38:06captain_protonok
06:38:08vogon_jeltzon the left side, put in LOGIN
06:38:12captain_protonoh ok
06:38:48captain_protonhow do I make it send it when I start xchat? (can I?)
06:38:58vogon_jeltznope
06:39:02captain_protonhmmm
06:39:02vogon_jeltzyou have to do it manually
06:39:04captain_protonthats dumb
06:40:04captain_protonis not in such a sucky mood tonight
06:40:34captain_protonooh...i should see if my email account is now working
06:41:33captain_protonneeds to add his ssh key to his university email server
06:43:41captain_protoni'm trying to get prolog to work
06:44:50vogon_jeltzopens his e-mail box to a flood of LKML messages
06:44:58captain_protonlkml?
06:45:05vogon_jeltzlinux-kernel mailing list
06:46:04captain_protonahh
06:46:26captain_protonhas pine open a remote email box
06:46:41captain_protonwahoo! it works!
06:47:15captain_proton(engineering email server is down, and I finally figured out how to make the mail home a different server)
06:47:21vogon_jeltzlucky; /me has stupid Web-based email
06:48:11captain_protonheh...i now have 3 unix-based emails (I had 3 before but one went away after I graduated)
06:48:25vogon_jeltzneeds POP3/SMTP mail... 8-/
06:49:03captain_protonmight be able to give you one
06:49:11vogon_jeltz's ears perk up
06:49:16vogon_jeltzplz...
06:49:24captain_protonbut i can
06:49:31captain_proton't right now - server is inaccesible
06:49:37captain_protondamn switch maintenence
06:49:46vogon_jeltzluckily, I give everyone my SF alias, so all of my mails will automatically get there
06:49:57captain_protoncan't they do it between 4:00 am and 9:00 am? then it wouldn't bug me
06:50:03vogon_jeltzhehe
06:50:15captain_protonhmmm...new control center is out
06:50:23vogon_jeltzfor?
06:50:27captain_protongnome
06:50:32vogon_jeltzahh; eyuchh
06:50:37captain_protonruns red-carpet in the hopes ximian is madly packaging
06:50:54vogon_jeltzthe only reason I have GNOME is for all of the GNOME-centric programs I have
06:51:04vogon_jeltzlike gpowertweak and bzedit
06:51:23captain_protonximian or vanilla?
06:51:28vogon_jeltzvanilla
06:51:58captain_protoni suggest you try ximian - its _soooo_ much better
06:52:02vogon_jeltzk
06:52:05vogon_jeltzI might...
06:52:11vogon_jeltzwait, I tried ximian in the past...
06:52:19vogon_jeltz(like 5 mo. ago)
06:52:29captain_protonyou have nautilus?
06:52:31vogon_jeltzback then, I had my old K5/75 box, so it ran like sludge
06:52:35vogon_jeltzI've tried it
06:52:58captain_protonahh
06:52:59vogon_jeltzit's a sweet UI, but it was *slooow* on my hardware back then
06:53:10vogon_jeltzI personally prefer E
06:53:26vogon_jeltzfully themeable, no clunky launch bars
06:53:29captain_protonyes, nautilus is slow
06:53:36captain_protonbut they're working on that
06:53:46vogon_jeltzyeah, and you have a P4 1.6 gig, right?
06:54:01vogon_jeltz8-D
06:54:24captain_proton1.7
06:54:27vogon_jeltzahh
06:54:28vogon_jeltzlucky
06:54:29captain_protonits not slow for me
06:54:32captain_protonits slow in general
06:54:38vogon_jeltzx86info v1.3.  Dave Jones 2001
06:54:39vogon_jeltzFeedback to <davej@suse.de>.
06:54:39vogon_jeltzFound 1 CPU
06:54:39vogon_jeltzIntel-specific functions
06:54:39vogon_jeltzFamily: 6 Model: 8 Type 0 [Celeron / Pentium III (Coppermine) Original OEM]
06:54:41vogon_jeltzStepping: 6
06:54:43vogon_jeltzReserved: 0
06:54:45vogon_jeltzProcessor serial: 0000-0686-0000-7B1D-A693-B31F
06:54:47vogon_jeltzthat's my CPU
06:55:02captain_protonx86info? where's that?
06:55:10vogon_jeltzit's this great CPU info utility
06:55:21vogon_jeltzI'll DCC it to you...
06:55:31captain_protonk
06:55:36vogon_jeltzbinary fine?
06:55:49captain_protonshould be - glibc 2.2?
06:55:53vogon_jeltzyep
06:56:05captain_protonok
06:57:00captain_proton"every application evolves to the point where it can read news"
06:57:00vogon_jeltzx86info -a gives you the most information possible
06:57:03vogon_jeltzhehe
06:57:07vogon_jeltzI love that quote
06:57:40vogon_jeltzx86info 1.4 -- now with newsreader!
06:57:45vogon_jeltz8-)
06:58:02vogon_jeltzx86info v1.3.  Dave Jones 2001
06:58:03vogon_jeltzFeedback to <davej@suse.de>.
06:58:03vogon_jeltzFound 1 CPU
06:58:03vogon_jeltzeax in: 0, eax = 00000003 ebx = 756e6547 ecx = 6c65746e edx = 49656e69
06:58:03vogon_jeltzeax in: 1, eax = 00000686 ebx = 00000002 ecx = 00000000 edx = 0387f9ff
06:58:03vogon_jeltzeax in: 2, eax = 03020101 ebx = 00000000 ecx = 00000000 edx = 0c040882
06:58:05vogon_jeltzeax in: 3, eax = 00000000 ebx = 00000000 ecx = a693b31f edx = 00007b1d
06:58:07vogon_jeltzVendor ID: "GenuineIntel"; Max CPUID level 3
06:58:09vogon_jeltzIntel-specific functions
06:58:11vogon_jeltzFamily: 6 Model: 8 Type 0 [Celeron / Pentium III (Coppermine) Original OEM]
06:58:13vogon_jeltzStepping: 6
06:58:15vogon_jeltzReserved: 0
06:58:17vogon_jeltzFeature flags 0387f9ff:
06:58:19vogon_jeltzFPU    Floating Point Unit
06:58:21vogon_jeltzVME    Virtual 8086 Mode Enhancements
06:58:23vogon_jeltzDE     Debugging Extensions
06:58:25vogon_jeltzPSE    Page Size Extensions
06:58:27vogon_jeltzTSC    Time Stamp Counter
06:58:28captain_protonx86info v1.3.  Dave Jones 2001
06:58:28captain_proton Feedback to <davej@suse.de>.
06:58:28captain_proton
06:58:28captain_proton Found 1 CPU
06:58:28captain_proton eax in: 0, eax = 00000002 ebx = 756e6547 ecx = 6c65746e edx = 49656e69
06:58:29captain_proton eax in: 1, eax = 00000f0a ebx = 00010808 ecx = 00000000 edx = 3febf9ff
06:58:29vogon_jeltzMSR    Model Specific Registers
06:58:31captain_proton eax in: 2, eax = 665b5001 ebx = 00000000 ecx = 00000000 edx = 007a7040
06:58:31vogon_jeltzPAE    Physical Address Extension
06:58:33captain_proton Vendor ID: "GenuineIntel"; Max CPUID level 2
06:58:33vogon_jeltzMCE    Machine Check Exception
06:58:35captain_proton
06:58:36vogon_jeltzCX8    COMPXCHG8B Instruction
06:58:37captain_proton Intel-specific functions
06:58:37vogon_jeltzSEP    Fast System Call
06:58:39captain_proton Family: 15 Model: 0 Type 0 [Pentium IV (stepping C-1) Original OEM]
06:58:39vogon_jeltzMTRR   Memory Type Range Registers
06:58:41captain_proton Stepping: 10
06:58:41vogon_jeltzPGE    PTE Global Flag
06:58:43captain_proton Reserved: 0
06:58:43vogon_jeltzMCA    Machine Check Architecture
06:58:45captain_proton
06:58:45vogon_jeltzCMOV   Conditional Move and Compare Instructions
06:58:47captain_proton Feature flags 3febf9ff:
06:58:47vogon_jeltzFGPAT  Page Attribute Table
06:58:49captain_proton FPU    Floating Point Unit
06:58:49vogon_jeltzPSE-36 36-bit Page Size Extension
06:58:51captain_proton VME    Virtual 8086 Mode Enhancements
06:58:51vogon_jeltzPN     Processor Serial Number present and enabled
06:58:53captain_proton DE     Debugging Extensions
06:58:53vogon_jeltzMMX    MMX instruction set
06:58:55captain_proton PSE    Page Size Extensions
06:58:55vogon_jeltzFXSR   Fast FP/MMX Streaming SIMD Extensions save/restore
06:58:57captain_proton TSC    Time Stamp Counter
06:58:57vogon_jeltzXMM    Streaming SIMD Extensions instruction set
06:58:59captain_proton MSR    Model Specific Registers
06:59:00vogon_jeltzInstruction TLB: 4KB pages, 4-way set assoc, 32 entries
06:59:01captain_proton PAE    Physical Address Extension
06:59:01vogon_jeltzInstruction TLB: 4MB pages, fully assoc, 2 entries
06:59:03captain_proton MCE    Machine Check Exception
06:59:03vogon_jeltzData TLB: 4KB pages, 4-way set assoc, 64 entries
06:59:05captain_proton CX8    COMPXCHG8B Instruction
06:59:05vogon_jeltzL2 unified cache: Sectored, 32 byte cache line, 8 way set associative, 256K
06:59:07captain_proton SEP    Fast System Call
06:59:07vogon_jeltzInstruction cache: 16KB, 4-way set assoc, 32 byte line size
06:59:09captain_proton MTRR   Memory Type Range Registers
06:59:09vogon_jeltzData TLB: 4MB pages, 4-way set assoc, 8 entries
06:59:11captain_proton PGE    PTE Global Flag
06:59:11vogon_jeltzData cache: 16KB, 2-way or 4-way set assoc, 32 byte line size
06:59:13captain_proton MCA    Machine Check Architecture
06:59:13vogon_jeltzProcessor serial: 0000-0686-0000-7B1D-A693-B31F
06:59:15captain_proton CMOV   Conditional Move and Compare Instructions
06:59:15vogon_jeltz930MHz processor (estimate).
06:59:17captain_proton FGPAT  Page Attribute Table
06:59:19captain_proton PSE-36 36-bit Page Size Extension
06:59:19vogon_jeltzthat's all of the data x86info can dig up on my bo
06:59:21captain_proton 19     reserved
06:59:21vogon_jeltzbox
06:59:23captain_proton 21     reserved
06:59:25captain_proton 22     reserved
06:59:27captain_proton MMX    MMX instruction set
06:59:29captain_proton FXSR   Fast FP/MMX Streaming SIMD Extensions save/restore
06:59:31captain_proton XMM    Streaming SIMD Extensions instruction set
06:59:33captain_proton 26     reserved
06:59:35captain_proton 27     reserved
06:59:37captain_proton 28     reserved
06:59:39captain_proton 29     reserved
06:59:41captain_proton Instruction TLB: 4K,2MB or 4MB pages, fully assoc, 64 entries
06:59:43captain_proton Data TLB: 4K or 4MB pages, fully assoc, 64 entries
06:59:45captain_proton Data cache: Sectored, 64 byte cache line, 8 way set assoc, 8K
06:59:47captain_proton No L2 cache
06:59:49captain_proton Instruction trace cache: 4 way set associative, 12K uOps
06:59:51captain_proton L2 unified cache: Sectored, 64 byte cache line, 8 way set associative, 256K
06:59:53captain_proton Need to be root to access MSRs.
06:59:55captain_proton 1694MHz processor (estimate).
07:00:00vogon_jeltzhehe
07:00:01captain_protonheh - you have your processor serial # enabled???
07:00:12vogon_jeltzyeah; there are no reading utils for Linux yet
07:00:27vogon_jeltzand you can use it as a component in a randseed
07:00:42captain_protonahh
07:01:07vogon_jeltzu know how to enable it?
07:01:12vogon_jeltz(The P4 has one too)
07:01:27captain_protonin the bios
07:01:30captain_protonthere's a toggle
07:01:31vogon_jeltznope
07:01:34captain_protoni keep it off
07:01:38vogon_jeltzit doesn't enable it at the OS level
07:01:49vogon_jeltzyou have to pass "serialnumber" to the kernel
07:02:02captain_protoni keep it off at the bios level as a matter of principle
07:02:37vogon_jeltzwhy, you don't want Webmasters to be able to track you vaguely with non-existant tools?
07:02:39captain_protonis bored and goes off to visit jwz.org
07:02:45captain_protonnope
07:02:50captain_protonis a man of mystery
07:04:54captain_proton"Yes, that's right, though I've been living in Unix for more than a decade, I think Unix sucks. Read the ``Unix Hater's Handbook'' if you want to know why. But I'd rather run Unix than Windows or MacOS any day, because Unix sucks less. That doesn't mean it doesn't suck."
07:05:09vogon_jeltzhehe
07:06:09captain_proton"I have yet to come across so much self-righteous bullshit as when I gaze upon the massive heap of crap that is the jwz web experience." -- an anonymous poster to slashdot.org
07:06:20vogon_jeltz8-))
07:06:42captain_protonUNIX HATERS Release 2.0 (unixux)
07:06:42captain_protonlogin: unix-hater
07:06:42captain_protonPassword:
07:06:42captain_protonClose enough.
07:06:42captain_protonunixux 1>
07:06:47captain_proton:)
07:07:02captain_protoni should make it print 'close enough' after i type my password :)
07:07:16captain_protonooh - i wonder if the other admins would be angry if i hacked sudo to do that
07:08:22captain_proton"I liken starting one's computing career with Unix, say as an undergraduate, to being born in East Africa. It is intolerably hot, your body is covered with lice and flies, you are malnourished and you suffer from numerous curable diseases. But, as far as young East Africans can tell, this is simply the natural condition and they live within it. By the time they find out differently, it is too late. They already think that the writing
07:08:22captain_protonripts is a natural act."
07:08:28vogon_jeltzread license...
07:09:06captain_protonhmm?
07:09:17vogon_jeltzread http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/license.html
07:10:21captain_protonahh yes thats a good one
07:13:46vogon_jeltzIf the designers of X-Windows built cars, there would be no fewer than five steering wheels hidden about the cockpit, none of which followed the same principles -- but
07:13:46vogon_jeltz       you'd be able to shift gears with your car stereo. Useful feature, that.
07:13:46vogon_jeltz       - Marus J. Ranum, Digital Equipment Corporation
07:14:05vogon_jeltz(from the Unix-Haters Handbook)
07:14:10captain_protonhttp://www.jwz.org/gruntle/nscpdorm.html
07:21:34vogon_jeltzMyth: X Is "Customizable"
07:21:35vogon_jeltz...And so is a molten blob of pig iron.
07:21:41vogon_jeltz(also from the UHH)
07:23:05captain_protonyes am reading
07:25:22vogon_jeltzYou see, the Turbo SRX display has a graphics plane (with 24 bits per pixel) and an overlay plane (with 4 bits per pixel). The overlay plane is for things like, well, window
07:25:22vogon_jeltz       systems, which need things like cursors, and the graphics plane is to draw 3D graphics. So I really need four devices:
07:25:22vogon_jeltz       /dev/crt0 --- the graphics plane of the right monitor
07:25:22vogon_jeltz       /dev/crt1 --- the graphics plane of the left monitor
07:25:23vogon_jeltz       /dev/ocrt0 --- the overlay plane of the right monitor
07:25:25vogon_jeltz       /dev/ocrt1 --- the overlay plane of the left monitor
07:25:27vogon_jeltz       No, sorry, I lied about that.
07:25:29vogon_jeltz       /dev/ocrt0 only gives you 3 out of the 4 overlay bits. The fourth bit is reserved exclusively for the private use of federal emergency relief teams in case of a national
07:25:32vogon_jeltz       outbreak of Pixel Rot. If you want to live dangerously and under threat of FBI investigation, you can use /dev/o4crt0 and /dev/o4crt1 in order to really draw on the overlay
07:25:35vogon_jeltz       planes. So, all you have to do is tell X windows to use these o4 overlays, and you can draw graphics on the graphics plane.
07:25:38vogon_jeltzhehe
07:27:15vogon_jeltzX will not run in these 4 bit overlay planes. This is because I'm using Motif, which is so sophisticated it forces you to put a 1" thick border around each window in case your
07:27:15vogon_jeltz       mouse is so worthless you can't hit anything you aim at, so you need widgets designed from the same style manual as the runway at Moscow International Airport. My
07:27:15vogon_jeltz       program has a browser that actually uses different colors to distinguish different kinds of nodes. Unlike a PC Jr, however, this workstation with $150,000 worth of 28
07:27:15vogon_jeltz       bits-per-pixel supercharged display hardware cannot display more than 16 colors at a time. If you're using the Motif self-abuse kit, asking for the 17th color causes your
07:27:18vogon_jeltz       program to crash horribly.
07:27:28captain_protonX-Windows: ...You'd better sit down
07:27:28captain_proton.
07:27:30vogon_jeltz8-))
07:28:31captain_proton"     I've just read over some of my diary for the last few months, and man, a lot of it is completely incoherent! It's full of incomplete sentences, made up words, random surreal imagery that I can't even understand let alone remember typing. Have I been typing in my sleep? I hope I don't sound like that in person. I wonder what my code must look like! Oh well, it seems to work.
07:28:31captain_proton"
07:29:03vogon_jeltzWHAT IS YOUR DISPLAY?
07:29:03vogon_jeltz               display = XOpenDisplay("unix:0");
07:29:03vogon_jeltz       WHAT IS YOUR ROOT?
07:29:03vogon_jeltz               root = RootWindow(display, DefaultScreen(display));
07:29:03vogon_jeltz       AND WHAT IS YOUR WINDOW?
07:29:04vogon_jeltz               win = XCreateSimpleWindow(display, root, 0, 0, 256, 256, 1,
07:29:06vogon_jeltz                                         BlackPixel(display, DefaultScreen(display)),
07:29:08vogon_jeltz                                         WhitePixel(display, DefaultScreen(display)));
07:29:10vogon_jeltz       OH ALL RIGHT, YOU CAN GO ON.
07:29:12vogon_jeltz       WHAT IS YOUR DISPLAY?
07:29:14vogon_jeltz               display = XOpenDisplay("unix:0");
07:29:16vogon_jeltz       WHAT IS YOUR COLORMAP?
07:29:18vogon_jeltz               cmap = DefaultColormap(display, DefaultScreen(display));
07:29:20vogon_jeltz       AND WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE COLOR?
07:29:22vogon_jeltz               favorite_color = 0; /* Black. */
07:29:24vogon_jeltz               /* Whoops! No, I mean: */
07:29:26vogon_jeltz               favorite_color = BlackPixel(display, DefaultScreen(display));
07:29:28vogon_jeltz               /* AAAYYYYEEEEE!! */
07:29:28captain_protonyes i know
07:29:30vogon_jeltz       (client dumps core & falls into the chasm)
07:29:32vogon_jeltz       WHAT IS YOUR DISPLAY?
07:29:34vogon_jeltz               display = XOpenDisplay("unix:0");
07:29:36vogon_jeltz       WHAT IS YOUR VISUAL?
07:29:38vogon_jeltz               struct XVisualInfo vinfo;
07:29:40vogon_jeltz               if (XMatchVisualInfo(display, DefaultScreen(display),
07:29:42vogon_jeltz                                    8, PseudoColor, &vinfo) != 0)
07:29:44vogon_jeltz                   visual = vinfo.visual;
07:29:46vogon_jeltz       AND WHAT IS THE NET SPEED VELOCITY OF AN XConfigureWindow REQUEST?
07:29:48vogon_jeltz               /* Is that a SubStructureRedirectMask or a ResizeRedirectMask? */
07:29:51vogon_jeltz       WHAT??! HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT?
07:29:52vogon_jeltz       AAAAUUUGGGHHH!!!!
07:29:54vogon_jeltz       (server dumps core & falls into the chasm)
07:29:58vogon_jeltzProgramming X-Windows is like trying to find the square root of pi using roman numerals.
07:30:00vogon_jeltz       - Unknown
07:32:02captain_proton      To: eng
07:32:02captain_proton      So, Aleks just said that he thinks I've been picking on Lou a lot lately. Well I just want to make it clear that I think you're all idiots, and I hate each and every one of you. I don't mean to single anyone out.
07:32:02captain_proton            Love,
07:32:03captain_proton-- Jamie
07:32:12vogon_jeltzhahaha
07:32:46captain_proton I've been working, trying to beat this accursed Unix client into shape, and everyone else has been dipping into the corporate beer supply. You know, I spend basically every waking hour with these guys, and I think we get along remarkably well, considering, but it's really starting to wear thin. Add alcohol, and they all get Extra Special Annoying.
07:32:53captain_protoni idolize this guy :)
07:32:54vogon_jeltzThree Cheers for XBUGTOOL
07:32:55vogon_jeltzXbugtool is in some ways similar to the unix othello game: it's incredibly entertaining and fun to play, but it cheats -- but not in any way you could could pin down...
07:32:55vogon_jeltzLike the way when you go to file a bug report against "xbugtool", you have to select "bugtraq" from the "Catagory" scrolling list, then pop up the "Subcatagory" scrolling list, and look for
07:32:55vogon_jeltz"xbugtool", but you don't see it there. So you check some other catagories, and don't find anything that fits, so you go back and look at "bugtraq" one last time, and notice a centimeter of
07:32:57vogon_jeltzshaded scroll bar cable suggesting there might be a little bit more information to display, so you scroll forward to reveal the one single solitary element that the scrolling list was just too
07:32:57captain_protonat least his humor
07:33:00vogon_jeltzshort to display, and lo and behold, that would be "xbugtool"!
07:33:02vogon_jeltzNow isn't that a funny thing!!? Of course this just seems hillarous on top of sublime, since you're already good mood from the side splitting chuckle you got, trying to select "bugtraq" from
07:33:04vogon_jeltzthe "Catagory" scrolling list, at the same time the "Subcatagory" scrolling list was pinned up. Every time you select an item from the "Catagory" list, xbugtool queries the server for a fresh
07:33:07vogon_jeltzlist of subcatagories, and then the "Subcatagory" list repaints one time for every subcatagory in the list, while the scroll bar cable shading animates like a thermometer in a microwave,
07:33:10vogon_jeltzentertaining you with a real-time display of bugtool's amazing progress!
07:33:12vogon_jeltzWith machine-gun precision, this amazing functionality can be exercized in rapid-fire succession by the unique scrollbar/scrolling list rollover feature provided by xview, that lets you
07:33:15vogon_jeltzpress down to drag the scroll bar, and then effortlessly move the mouse out of the scrollbar and into the scrolling list, without so much as lifting your finger, and roll over into the patented
07:33:19vogon_jeltzxview scrolling list hyper-drag-auto-selection-preview-mode [TM], trigging all that high-tech functionality mentioned earlier (or virtually *any* user supplied callback proc!) every time
07:34:24vogon_jeltzthe
07:34:25vogon_jeltzmouse moves into another scrolling list element!!! But unfortunatly it is totally impossible to implement the standard Open Look auto-scroll feature on that scrolling list because Apple
07:34:25vogon_jeltzwould sue, so don't even ask.
07:34:25vogon_jeltzI could go on and on, but I just *lost* my wonderful xbugtool, because I was having too much fun way too fast with those zany scrolling lists, so elmer the bug server freaked out and went
07:34:25vogon_jeltzoff to la-la land, causing xbugtool to lock the windows and start "channeling", at the same time not responding to any events, so when I clicked on the scrolling list, the entire window
07:34:28vogon_jeltzsystem froze up and I had to wait for the input queue lock to break, but by the time the lock finally broke (it must have been a kryptonite), xbugtool had made up its mind, decided to meet
07:34:31vogon_jeltzits maker, finished core dumping, and exited with an astoundingly graceful thrash, which was a totally "dwim" thing for it to do at the time, if you think about it with the right attitude, since
07:34:35vogon_jeltzI had forgotten what I wanted to file a bug against in the first place anyway, and totally given up the idea of ever using bugtool to file a bug against itself, because bugtool must be perfect
07:34:37vogon_jeltzto have performed so splendidly!
07:34:40vogon_jeltzXbugtool is an artificially intelligent virtual life form far beyond the abilities of human beings or even PostScript programmers to comprehend. It has a right to a life of its own, and a right
07:34:43vogon_jeltzto defend itself to the best of its abilities. Not only that, but it also demands great respect. But not even tastefully flattering Mexican style velvet paintings are good enough for xbugtool.
07:34:45vogon_jeltzAfter careful thought and consideration, I have come to the conclusion that xbugtool and emacs must mate, and spread their fertile eggs throughout the network, disguised as shared
07:34:48vogon_jeltzlibraries and loadable device drivers! And finally: the Macintosh port! We will take over the world. We will not be stopped. Today, the servers. Tomorrow, the boot proms!
07:36:12vogon_jeltzis away: fixing a stupid broken chair
07:40:00vogon_jeltzis back (gone 00:03:47)
07:40:09vogon_jeltzthere; that's better
07:40:24captain_protongoes to play a little bzflag
07:40:30vogon_jeltzdoes too
07:40:38vogon_jeltzis away: playing BZFlag at captain_proton's server
07:41:04vogon_jeltzis back (gone 00:00:25)
07:41:15vogon_jeltzoops, forgot the server was down 8-P
07:41:25vogon_jeltzis away: playing BZFlag at <whereever>
07:41:35captain_protonthere is _1_ person on bzflag
07:55:30captain_protonwell there was for a moment
08:33:20captain_protongoes to play go on yahoo
08:39:19vogon_jeltzis back
08:39:22vogon_jeltzis back (gone 00:57:56)
08:43:20captain_protonhi there
08:43:27vogon_jeltzhi
08:43:43captain_protoni think i need to write an auto-flamer
08:43:48vogon_jeltzhehe
08:43:57captain_proton is nothing but a full-gorged bag of fool-born Stimpy-drool.
08:43:57vogon_jeltzibot, insult captain_proton
08:44:02vogon_jeltzlaf
08:44:24captain_protoni mean something that can take an email and belittle the ideas in it
08:44:29vogon_jeltzhehe
08:44:36vogon_jeltzyou could base it on dadadodo
08:45:06captain_protonone memorable quote from one of my discussions was "Crack kills. Or in this case, it injures just badly enough to cause Drew to write email"
08:45:14vogon_jeltzlaf
08:45:39captain_protondid you know that the IETF mail lists are full of flames? :)
08:45:51vogon_jeltzIETF?
08:46:10captain_protonInternet Engineering Task Force
08:46:14captain_protonever read an RFC?
08:46:15vogon_jeltzahh, got it
08:46:17vogon_jeltzyes
08:46:25vogon_jeltzhas RFC 854 in hardcopy
08:46:38captain_proton854...thats...um...i forget
08:46:43vogon_jeltzTelnet
08:46:47captain_protonahh yes
08:46:53captain_protonthere are about 6 telnet ones...
08:46:58vogon_jeltzgotta love feature subnegotiation...
08:47:41vogon_jeltzis babylonia back up yet?
08:47:48captain_protonhas RFC's 765, 2228, 2640 and 2773 in hardcopy
08:47:50captain_protonno
08:47:55vogon_jeltz8-/
08:48:07captain_protoneverything associated with ftp...
08:49:03captain_protontelnet is kinda a cool protocol
08:49:22vogon_jeltzyeah, but I've learned it's not the best thing to use for MUDs
08:49:25captain_protonalthough its hard to determine exactly what will/wont/do/dont will do
08:49:34captain_protonuse ssh2 :)
08:49:34vogon_jeltzyeah
08:49:37vogon_jeltzyep
08:49:45vogon_jeltzlike telnet, only not crappy
08:49:55captain_protonand secure too
08:50:00vogon_jeltzhehe
08:50:03vogon_jeltzthat's what I meant
08:50:28captain_protonplus colors and service tunneling
08:50:32vogon_jeltzwonders if proton beefed up his security after Tim found his way thru...
08:50:43vogon_jeltzyou can have colors in telnet...
08:50:55vogon_jeltzjust send the ANSI escape codes
08:50:57captain_protonTim didn't find his way through
08:51:06captain_protonall he found was which port ssh was listening on
08:51:18captain_protonhe didn't guess my 23-character password
08:51:18vogon_jeltzand made it into your restricted server, IIRC
08:51:26vogon_jeltzyes, he did
08:51:30captain_protonnope
08:51:35vogon_jeltzif he was telling the truth, he did
08:51:49captain_protontrust me...i log every packet coming in
08:52:00captain_protonwhen did he say he got in?
08:52:02vogon_jeltzk
08:52:10vogon_jeltzmaybe he lied
08:52:21vogon_jeltz8-)
08:52:23captain_protonwhen did he say he got in?
08:52:51vogon_jeltzabout 10 minutes after you told him you had a hidden ssh port
08:53:11captain_protonno
08:53:17vogon_jeltzremember: [sic] "I bet something in the history scrollback will let me get into the full server."
08:53:21captain_protoni told him about the restricted sub-machine
08:53:40vogon_jeltzyes, I know
08:53:45vogon_jeltzand he got in
08:53:49captain_protonand he said that if he got in, he could use the history to get into the full server
08:53:52vogon_jeltzahh
08:54:02vogon_jeltzI didn't catch that
08:54:04captain_protonthis was a speculatory discussion
08:54:09vogon_jeltzOK
08:54:28vogon_jeltzI don't remember when it became speculatory; sorry
08:54:34captain_protonheh
08:55:16vogon_jeltz*get MindRover demo*
08:55:53captain_protoni think i'll wait 22 more days...
08:56:00vogon_jeltzno
08:56:02vogon_jeltzy?
08:56:17vogon_jeltzthat when you go to college?
08:56:24captain_protonyep
08:56:27vogon_jeltzk
08:56:31vogon_jeltzbut don't wait
08:56:32captain_proton100mbps ethernet + dual oc3
08:56:36vogon_jeltzyummy
08:56:38captain_protonis fast
08:56:56captain_protonhaha...i will be able to match kernel.orgs bandwidth
08:57:01vogon_jeltz8-)
08:57:10vogon_jeltzrun a mirror
08:57:10captain_protonkernel in 30 seconds :)
08:57:36vogon_jeltzexcept for major revision changes, I can get a kernel and be rebooting into it in 10 minutes
08:57:56captain_protonnaaah...too big a security risk to have an ftp server up
08:58:24captain_protonespecially a public ftp
09:01:17vogon_jeltzso, you still havin' problems with your GeForce3?
09:01:47captain_protonits intermittent - every few days
09:01:51captain_protonand not crippling
09:02:00vogon_jeltzlucky
09:02:07captain_protonthere's a blocking call somewhere in the driver that causes the screeen to jerk a little
09:02:39captain_proton--- babylonia.flatirons.org ping statistics ---
09:02:41captain_proton4932 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
09:02:49captain_protonbeen going for a while...
09:02:52vogon_jeltzwelp, it's not up...
09:03:02captain_protonit is up
09:03:05captain_protonits just unreachable
09:03:06vogon_jeltzhrm
09:03:25captain_protonwhat does 'iirc' stand for
09:03:25vogon_jeltzoh yeah, if it weren't up, the DNS lookup would time out, right?
09:03:37vogon_jeltzif I recall/remember correctly
09:03:41captain_protonno...dns is resolved 1 machine above
09:03:47vogon_jeltzoh, ok
09:03:59captain_protonthe only reason i know its up is because i know why its unreachable
09:04:23vogon_jeltzjust realized he could flood-ping cappy, and nobody would know who it was; vogon_jeltz has an IP in the public IP block at 64.40.*.*
09:05:13captain_protonslaps sig and points out that his ISP has QoS set up
09:05:19vogon_jeltzoops
09:05:22vogon_jeltzok
09:05:25vogon_jeltzthen never mind
09:05:30vogon_jeltz8-)
09:05:33captain_protonand it wouldn't matter anyways...
09:05:38vogon_jeltzand I would never do that anyway...
09:05:42captain_protonbecause your bandwidth is less than mine
09:05:50vogon_jeltzyeah
09:06:00vogon_jeltzwot, you not on your dialup?
09:06:03captain_protonya wanna know something that really sucked?
09:06:11captain_protoni'm on my dialup
09:06:20captain_protonbut i'm betting that my dialup is better than yours
09:06:24vogon_jeltzprolly
09:06:25captain_protoni was still windows-only
09:06:31vogon_jeltzmmhmm
09:06:33captain_protonand i set up a simple telnet server
09:06:37vogon_jeltzyeah
09:06:38captain_protona friend telnetted in
09:06:42vogon_jeltzyep
09:06:48captain_protonand ran 'ping -f 127.0.0.1'
09:06:52vogon_jeltzlaf
09:07:05captain_protonone hard reboot later, i was no longer running a telnet server
09:07:11vogon_jeltzhaha
09:07:26captain_protontry it - its fun!
09:08:25vogon_jeltzwatches a newsmagazine article on extravagant warnings, eg. (on a chainsaw) "Do not attempt to stop spinning blade with hand or face."
09:09:34captain_protonrealizes he has to wake up in 7 hours
09:10:15captain_protonhmmm i get basic cable in the dorms
09:11:23captain_protonlike i'll have time to watch tv :P
09:12:33captain_protonwell i should go
09:12:35captain_protongoodnight
16:10:30captain_protonhi
16:10:57vogon_jeltzyo
16:13:29captain_protonserver is accesible again
16:13:37vogon_jeltzgood
16:13:41vogon_jeltzneeds e-mail
16:13:49vogon_jeltzalso needs CTF
16:13:53vogon_jeltzin BZFlag
16:14:09captain_proton?
16:14:15captain_protondon't you have ctf in bzflag?
16:15:07vogon_jeltznot at good servers... 8-(
16:15:07vogon_jeltzwuvs CTF decks
16:16:36captain_protonwell, it should be back up now
16:16:53vogon_jeltzgood
16:21:17vogon_jeltzproton, am I still going to get an e-mail addy on babylonia?
16:21:31captain_protonmebbe...let me check a few things
16:21:41vogon_jeltzsucks up to proton
16:21:53captain_protonhmm
16:23:18vogon_jeltzis experiencing technical difficulties... brb 8-)
16:40:21captain_protonis away: I'm probably eating
16:44:18vogon_jeltzis away: playing Descent3
18:28:15captain_protonis back (gone 01:47:53)
21:25:51captain_protonhi tim
21:46:31captain_protonwhats going on with openprojects?

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