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| 02:58.40 | spldart | Bzzt |
| 03:39.07 | jcp | would like to take a moment to rant about his mock trial today |
| 03:39.10 | jcp | since I'm bored |
| 03:39.18 | jcp | and I can now officially say that I hate Mr. Glover |
| 03:39.49 | jcp | If anyone wants to hear more ranting, feel free to tell me. |
| 03:44.12 | spldart | Mock trial?!? |
| 03:45.05 | jcp | Yep |
| 03:45.11 | jcp | Why, do you do it too? |
| 03:45.30 | spldart | munincipal, state or federal? |
| 03:46.46 | jcp | huh/ |
| 03:46.48 | jcp | huh? |
| 03:46.51 | jcp | I don't know that much :) |
| 03:48.55 | jcp | I kinda think it's state |
| 03:49.12 | jcp | We played another team, and we killed them except for one of their attourneys |
| 03:49.14 | jcp | that glover guy |
| 03:49.16 | jcp | who killed us |
| 03:49.20 | jcp | and they won because of it! |
| 03:51.06 | jcp | was fuming at them |
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| 17:58.09 | blast007 | spldart: that board you linked on #bzflag doesn't have two full speed x16 slots. One of them is only x8 |
| 17:59.21 | spldart | I noticed that.. But I don't wanna sli anywho |
| 17:59.55 | spldart | I'll prolly start by using the on board 8 series geforce and later get one high end card for the fast slot. |
| 18:00.08 | spldart | If that's viable |
| 18:02.48 | blast007 | "When 2 PCI Express x16 slots are all installed, the PCIE x 16 lanes will auto arrange form x16/ x0 to x8/ x8. Do not use the light-blue slot when only one PCI Express x16 card is installed." |
| 18:06.18 | blast007 | looks like it might have an 8400/8500 |
| 18:06.36 | blast007 | unless they're talking about an add-on card |
| 18:06.48 | blast007 | they aren't overly clear |
| 18:07.05 | spldart | So.. if I later add a higher end pcie card. I don't want to have any card of any kinds in the slower pcie slot? |
| 18:07.18 | spldart | I have NO pcie experience whatsoever. |
| 18:07.36 | spldart | I'm very stuck in the 4 to 6 y/o era on pc's |
| 18:07.41 | blast007 | if you ever want to run SLI, it will run both cards at half the bandwidth |
| 18:07.58 | blast007 | because it's a cheap board ;) |
| 18:07.58 | spldart | Ok.. Well. I'm never running sli |
| 18:08.13 | spldart | yup |
| 18:08.14 | spldart | that's me |
| 18:08.16 | spldart | cheap |
| 18:08.21 | spldart | ;) |
| 18:08.55 | spldart | Could I potentially run a nice raid card in the slower pcie slot without effecting the faster pcie slot? |
| 18:09.02 | spldart | or is that even possible |
| 18:12.51 | blast007 | the PCI x1 slot? sure |
| 18:17.10 | spldart | Sounds like the cheap set for me :) |
| 18:17.35 | spldart | Case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147118 |
| 18:17.36 | blast007 | the board does have onboard RAID though |
| 18:17.48 | blast007 | what kind of CPU are you looking at? A Phenom x4? |
| 18:17.55 | spldart | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104097 memory |
| 18:18.12 | spldart | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.161236 cpu |
| 18:18.34 | spldart | HSF http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185042 |
| 18:18.44 | blast007 | oh yeah, forgot it had a combo |
| 18:18.54 | spldart | I have a couple sata 250 gig drives laying around that will prolly go in |
| 18:19.19 | spldart | and my optical drive to start with will be ide which I believe the mobo has a single ide connector so that should work out. |
| 18:19.33 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:19.49 | spldart | So new everything except drives. |
| 18:19.52 | blast007 | I upgraded my optical to SATA just recently |
| 18:19.55 | spldart | s/new/knew |
| 18:20.05 | blast007 | so my only IDE drive in the system is the 750GB drive |
| 18:21.01 | spldart | hrm... I wonder how fast my OS's would be on a sata raid 0 utilizing the on board raid abilities. |
| 18:22.30 | spldart | This machine is replacing my old dually which is failing and a small baby atx that I'm on now. so I have 2 250gig sata's... one ide 300 gig and one ide 500 gig HDD and one dvd burner and one dvd rom cd burner which will prolly be handed to someone else in house |
| 18:23.04 | blast007 | this one here is kinda interesting too: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188036 |
| 18:23.29 | spldart | considers putting the 500 gig and dvd burner on the same ide chain.. |
| 18:23.35 | spldart | is checking your link |
| 18:23.45 | blast007 | cheaper than your board too ;) |
| 18:24.46 | spldart | Not if you consider the combo price |
| 18:24.48 | blast007 | oh, slower RAM though |
| 18:25.20 | spldart | well... close.. |
| 18:25.32 | blast007 | still $10 cheaper, after rebate |
| 18:26.11 | spldart | don'[t like evga. bought a card from them once and am unimpressed with durability.. I'd like to stick to asus, msi, giga cuz I trust those name with first hand experience |
| 18:27.23 | spldart | Thanks for the feedback :-D I'm a bit lost right now. Another reason to keep the purchase small... so mistakes are less costly |
| 18:28.00 | blast007 | hmm, I've had several cards from eVGA ;) |
| 18:28.21 | spldart | You've had good luck? |
| 18:28.28 | spldart | I've had artifacting in no time |
| 18:28.40 | blast007 | 7900 GTO, 9800 GTX+, and I think even my 5200 was eVGA |
| 18:28.44 | spldart | is not the happiest camper with thems guys |
| 18:28.52 | blast007 | do you overclock them? |
| 18:28.56 | spldart | nope |
| 18:28.59 | blast007 | huh |
| 18:29.38 | blast007 | which card did you have? |
| 18:29.54 | spldart | I wont buy ati any more.. I used to swear by them back in the day but my 9200, 9600 and 9800 all failed in just a bit over a year. And I spent to much on them to have that short a life.. My 7500 and 8500 lasted way longer. |
| 18:30.01 | spldart | 6200 a-le |
| 18:30.08 | spldart | just a bare bones card |
| 18:31.23 | spldart | I have nvidia geforce cards goin back to geforce 2 and 440mx that I bought further back than the 9600 and 9800 which died years ago... the old geforces are still goin. |
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| 18:32.30 | blast007 | heh, the OEM CPU is only $5 cheaper than retail |
| 18:33.24 | blast007 | seems like almost all of the combos for the retail one is a RAID card though ;) |
| 18:33.27 | spldart | Not to worried about that.. I hate factory coolers. I always end up adding some semi pricey aftermarket one. |
| 18:35.04 | blast007 | hehe |
| 18:35.06 | spldart | By all means.. If you see more bang for the buck and the buck is not much higher at all I will readjust.. I've just got my shopping cart sitting open... prolly will for a few more hours to allow anyone who has some educated advice to contribute their two cents of knowledge. |
| 18:37.43 | spldart | IB someone chastizes me for not goin intel |
| 18:38.07 | blast007 | was gonna |
| 18:38.10 | blast007 | ;) |
| 18:38.18 | spldart | heh |
| 18:38.20 | spldart | :) |
| 18:38.24 | blast007 | but anyway, overall looks like an okay machine for the price |
| 18:39.04 | spldart | looks forward to seeing 4 cpu's in his OS's |
| 18:39.09 | blast007 | ;) |
| 18:39.36 | blast007 | that CPU will probably outperform mine in some stuff |
| 18:39.42 | blast007 | I have a faster core, but only two of them |
| 18:39.49 | blast007 | (3GHz Core 2 Duo) |
| 18:39.52 | spldart | Ah. Intel? |
| 18:39.53 | spldart | Ah |
| 18:40.12 | blast007 | there's already some games that can eat up both my cores |
| 18:40.20 | blast007 | multithreading ftw! |
| 18:40.33 | spldart | I'm hoping I can have 4+ encoding processes goin on at once and see awesome performance |
| 18:40.41 | spldart | indeed. |
| 18:40.42 | blast007 | I don't really have any games that I *can't* play on my box |
| 18:40.58 | spldart | I rarely play anything but bzflag. |
| 18:41.14 | spldart | A tiny bit of halo. used to to UT. |
| 18:41.16 | blast007 | but now that you're getting a real computer, you should try some other games ;) |
| 18:41.21 | blast007 | get steam |
| 18:41.23 | spldart | Might try something else in the future but who knows |
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| 18:41.35 | blast007 | and then get something like the orange box |
| 18:41.47 | blast007 | think that's down to $20 or $30 |
| 18:41.55 | blast007 | and it gets you 5 games |
| 18:42.05 | spldart | hrm |
| 18:42.22 | blast007 | http://orange.half-life2.com/ |
| 18:43.13 | spldart | was looking on orange site now.. never heard of them before |
| 18:43.15 | blast007 | won't be able to run at full quality with that onboard craphics, but it'll run |
| 18:43.32 | spldart | Indeed... but I have expandibility :) |
| 18:43.38 | blast007 | yup |
| 18:44.04 | spldart | What is a 'off the bleeding edge' but still pretty quick nvidia card right now? |
| 18:44.15 | blast007 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130376 |
| 18:44.20 | blast007 | not a bad price either |
| 18:44.31 | blast007 | that's the one I had, and I paid a little over $200 iirc |
| 18:44.51 | spldart | 2 large?! |
| 18:45.00 | blast007 | "limit 99 per customer" >.< |
| 18:45.10 | spldart | ok ok.... 2 medium?! |
| 18:45.19 | blast007 | it's a biiig card |
| 18:45.46 | blast007 | it's a bit tight in my case, at least with the PCIe cords |
| 18:45.47 | spldart | Ack! it's that, gasp, 9800 number |
| 18:46.09 | blast007 | what PSU you getting? |
| 18:46.26 | spldart | the case link up there... It has a 500 watt psu in it... |
| 18:46.43 | blast007 | ah |
| 18:47.11 | spldart | It had good reviews |
| 18:47.41 | blast007 | I don't trust PSUs that come with cheap cases :P |
| 18:47.42 | spldart | I was gonna go Antec and whateva bare case. Decided that this one was good price and the review were good. |
| 18:48.17 | blast007 | let me find you what I had for a PSU |
| 18:48.20 | blast007 | have* |
| 18:49.08 | blast007 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006 |
| 18:49.23 | blast007 | I've love that PSU |
| 18:50.30 | blast007 | it has a single +12V rail, so I didn't have to think as hard when balancing out what cords went where |
| 18:50.40 | blast007 | and I didn't have to question if it would have enough power for my video card |
| 18:51.21 | blast007 | and it had good reviews |
| 18:52.04 | blast007 | (I don't always trust newegg reviews either... I went on some sites that actually did efficiency tests and whatnot on the PSU, who actually knew what they were talking about) |
| 18:54.29 | blast007 | a cheap PSU can fry the whole system.. |
| 18:54.47 | me1 | blast007, loving the review for that 9800 'newegg/evga sent me a card that was clearly an original gtx, with the + sign taped on it, not the 55nm as claimed in ads.' |
| 18:55.22 | blast007 | heh |
| 18:55.34 | blast007 | kinda reminds me of my 7900 GTO |
| 18:55.45 | blast007 | the box had a "GTO" sticker put over the "GTX" ;) |
| 18:55.59 | blast007 | cuz basically it *was* a GTX, just with slower memory settings |
| 18:56.31 | me1 | hehe |
| 18:57.13 | blast007 | they had GTX cards where the memory didn't perform to specs, and they didn't want to waste the cards ;) |
| 18:57.49 | spldart | back |
| 18:58.22 | blast007 | spldart: this was my board, not that it really matters, since I have an Intel: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131335 |
| 18:58.25 | spldart | that powersupply is WAY outside my price range |
| 18:59.07 | blast007 | meh, I usually won't spend any less than $80 on a good PSU |
| 18:59.21 | blast007 | think the two I've put into my gaming box have been > $100 |
| 18:59.25 | spldart | Now that's the price my antec truepower 430 cost.. or was it a 480 |
| 18:59.53 | spldart | I've been known to get into a power supply and upgrade it. I have no problem opening a brand new one from roswill and making sure I'm happy with the design |
| 19:00.18 | blast007 | :/ |
| 19:00.20 | blast007 | k |
| 19:01.05 | blast007 | "We need more power!" "Hold on, I'm upgrading the capacitor!" |
| 19:05.14 | spldart | You forget *squint* |
| 19:05.43 | spldart | I'm a pro e-tech with over 23 years pro experience and 10 more novice |
| 19:05.59 | spldart | I can and have hand wound transformers. |
| 19:06.09 | spldart | heck I've designed and built smps powersuppies ground up |
| 19:06.16 | spldart | Into the kilowatt range |
| 19:06.33 | spldart | Of course those were for audio power amps in automotive applications... |
| 19:06.52 | spldart | but most principals are exactly the same..just different numbers in the equations. |
| 19:07.31 | blast007 | ;) |
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| 19:31.33 | blast007 | spldart: that PSU you're getting doesn't have many connectors, so might want to check if you need any adapters or splitters |
| 19:32.25 | blast007 | (and lots of the video cards now need two PCIe power cords, and some need 8-pin cables now, but you can worry about that when you decide to upgrade the card) |
| 19:44.37 | spldart | woah |
| 19:44.52 | spldart | Well. I got alot of adapters laying around but I'll do some research on your point though. thanks |
| 20:02.50 | spldart | harumph... now I'm thinking of possibly goin antec on the psu after all. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371007 hrmm |
| 20:06.01 | blast007 | 500 probably won't be enough for certain cards |
| 20:06.51 | spldart | 550? |
| 20:07.02 | blast007 | heh.. |
| 20:07.30 | spldart | My god! I don't wanna hair dryer's power consumptinon running next to my monitor all the time 8-0 |
| 20:07.42 | blast007 | I have 750 |
| 20:07.51 | spldart | That's a hair drying on low to medium |
| 20:07.54 | blast007 | and that's enough to at least run one card |
| 20:07.57 | spldart | High being 1k or higher |
| 20:08.03 | blast007 | I might need more if I ever wanted SLi |
| 20:08.13 | spldart | What a waist |
| 20:08.15 | spldart | waste |
| 20:08.17 | spldart | grr |
| 20:08.24 | spldart | of power that is... |
| 20:08.28 | blast007 | they have killowatt PSUs |
| 20:08.32 | spldart | They need to work on efficiency |
| 20:08.33 | blast007 | and higher, probably |
| 20:09.15 | blast007 | heh, they have a 2000W one ;D |
| 20:09.26 | blast007 | only $600 |
| 20:10.30 | blast007 | http://educations.newegg.com/tool/psucalc/index.html |
| 20:10.51 | blast007 | though their selection of CPUs is quite outdated.. |
| 20:11.02 | blast007 | at least for AMD |
| 20:11.04 | spldart | That's getting into the territory of a trip-lite power inverter I have laying around in the garage somewhere. |
| 20:11.15 | spldart | For when I used to display my compeition car. |
| 20:11.41 | blast007 | http://www.antec.outervision.com/ <--- try that |
| 20:12.59 | blast007 | that site is pretty awesome. even has overclocking on there ;) |
| 20:16.50 | spldart | antec calc says 236 watts |
| 20:16.55 | spldart | doesn't sound right |
| 20:17.15 | blast007 | hmm, for me it says 356W.. |
| 20:17.36 | blast007 | multiples that by two and says "Sounds about right!" |
| 20:17.54 | blast007 | I don't think I'm anywhere near hitting 750W |
| 20:17.58 | spldart | I added OC and another drive and I'm still under 300 |
| 20:18.20 | blast007 | add in a 9800GTX+ and see what it jumps to ;) |
| 20:18.26 | spldart | I'm thinking 500 to 550 should be ok but that's because I'm not considering sli |
| 20:18.29 | spldart | oki doki |
| 20:18.58 | spldart | 281 > 385 |
| 20:19.07 | spldart | rerr |
| 20:19.12 | spldart | > 345 |
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| 20:21.34 | me1 | " |
| 20:21.34 | me1 | The total PSU Wattage this tool recommends will give a general idea of the range of continuously available power (not peak power) at which you should be looking" |
| 20:22.16 | spldart | BTW I also increased cpu usage to 100% on that tool. |
| 20:22.17 | spldart | hrm |
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| 20:25.15 | blast007 | hmm, I'm pulling 131 watts idling |
| 20:25.17 | spldart | maxed out some more stuff and got a 445 watt |
| 20:26.07 | spldart | Essentially that's everything plugged in and everything maxed out.. including the tv, a 3d game and video encoding on all cores at the same time with mulitple usb devices running |
| 20:31.51 | spldart | I sense a power bill hike. |
| 20:33.45 | spldart | OMG!!! They have 600$ case's with no real gold highlights or even a psu? |
| 20:37.47 | spldart | Do they have mobo's that can take dual quad processors for cheap? -_^ |
| 20:38.01 | blast007 | spldart: highest I've hit is 227W according to my Kill-o-watt |
| 20:38.26 | blast007 | and that's while playing Left 4 Dead (both CPU cores maxed out) |
| 20:39.20 | spldart | You talking one of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882715001&Tpk=Kill%20A%20Watt ? |
| 20:39.34 | spldart | I like it alot... I'll add that to the cart ;) |
| 20:45.16 | blast007 | yeah |
| 20:45.22 | blast007 | they're a bit big though.. |
| 20:46.15 | spldart | It appeals to my 'gadget' addiction. |
| 20:48.19 | spldart | wonders if the sources in non-free lenny repositories contain the source for a module new enough for these more recent nvidia cards. |
| 20:49.04 | blast007 | just use the nVidia binary driver |
| 20:49.10 | spldart | meh |
| 20:49.11 | spldart | hehe |
| 20:49.58 | blast007 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817101033 ;D |
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| 20:52.00 | blast007 | 24 SATA plugs, crazy |
| 20:54.03 | spldart | 8-0 |
| 20:54.52 | spldart | I could easily run a small F@H farm of perhaps 8 K7 mobo/cpu's combo's on that psu |
| 20:59.38 | blast007 | hehe |
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| 21:37.58 | spldart | mmmMMmmm it's a char-broil evening :) |
| 21:40.03 | spldart | That last night segv on my nice make of dev code finally convinced me that the netbook was secondary to old hardware that is both having issues and is out of date. Tis a pity. I really wanted that netbook. |
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