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| 01:36.11 | spldart | Quick OT question.. Why is the 2.4.x kernel still goin so long after the 2.6.x kernel has been introduced? |
| 01:36.32 | Winny | why do people still use windows XP when vista was releasesd 2 years ago |
| 01:36.39 | spldart | That's easyt |
| 01:36.43 | spldart | vista is terrible. |
| 01:37.01 | spldart | besides.. that coexistance isn't as old is it? |
| 01:37.40 | blast007 | Winny: Well, some hardware might not work in 2.6.x, for one example |
| 01:37.53 | spldart | Really? |
| 01:38.00 | blast007 | some drivers are not open source |
| 01:38.10 | JeffM | why does windows 2000 as an OS still beat linux in desktop use ;) |
| 01:38.13 | blast007 | most* |
| 01:38.15 | spldart | I've used the 2.6.x kernel up to like .28 on some antiquated hardware. |
| 01:38.52 | blast007 | spldart: the 3D chip in my nokia only has a binary blob driver for 2.4 |
| 01:38.54 | JeffM | also uprading the kernel means upgrading a lot of other packages |
| 01:39.07 | JeffM | people may have software that dosn't work with the newer packages |
| 01:39.18 | JeffM | many servers will use the same old kernel with minor patches |
| 01:39.19 | blast007 | but they still use 2.6 ;) so no 3D.. |
| 01:39.21 | JeffM | for stability |
| 01:39.31 | spldart | win 2k and other old microsoft os's do still have a distro advantage because of age and name. |
| 01:39.33 | JeffM | rather then risk upgrading |
| 01:40.25 | spldart | I understand not changing kernel till your ready to rebuild modules etc. but when you are ready.. why not jump to 2.6. But I guess it may just be hardware related. |
| 01:40.54 | spldart | Heh.. |
| 01:41.02 | JeffM | spldart: you assume all software has continual development |
| 01:41.08 | spldart | modules and other built in support for hardware... That's the reason my brother isn't fond of linux |
| 01:41.11 | JeffM | lets say I am using an accounting package |
| 01:41.18 | JeffM | it was made to work on 2.4 |
| 01:41.26 | JeffM | they made a new version, that works on 2.6 |
| 01:41.32 | JeffM | but it has some other changes I don't want |
| 01:41.41 | JeffM | and the old version works FINE for my biz |
| 01:41.52 | JeffM | so I want to keep my systems running 2.4 for as long as I can |
| 01:41.57 | JeffM | cus it just works |
| 01:42.02 | JeffM | I don't need newer stuff |
| 01:42.24 | spldart | Ah.. So.. analogy.. I like micro money for 98se.. the new ver is for 2k xp. I don't want that one so stick with 98se and me. |
| 01:42.27 | JeffM | basicly I'll run 2.4 untill the entire server cluster DIES. |
| 01:42.34 | blast007 | http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Who_Uses_The_2.4_Stable_Kernel |
| 01:42.34 | spldart | hrm |
| 01:42.40 | JeffM | spldart: more like I have a game that only runs under 98 |
| 01:42.47 | spldart | duke 3d |
| 01:42.51 | JeffM | and I don't do anything else other then play that game |
| 01:43.06 | JeffM | and if I don't play that game, the space shuttle crashes |
| 01:43.09 | JeffM | ;) |
| 01:43.13 | spldart | Ahhhahahaa |
| 01:43.22 | spldart | Ok |
| 01:43.35 | JeffM | you want to be the new guy to push a kernel update that isn't needed to the air traffic controll net? ;) |
| 01:45.18 | spldart | So 2.4 may finally end when entropy claims enough of that old hardware? |
| 01:45.50 | JeffM | it'll eventualy phase out sure |
| 01:46.07 | JeffM | but I mean isn't it part of the last 10 year service version of ubunutu? |
| 01:46.37 | spldart | Oh yeah! Wow... I forgot about the duration of some releases of Ubuntu. |
| 01:47.08 | spldart | is mulling down the link blast pasted. |
| 01:47.15 | JeffM | for server uses, you can see a very long span for an OS/App combo |
| 01:48.21 | spldart | So hrm... this may take a couple few more years to finally die. |
| 01:48.49 | spldart | And even then... some seriously old 2.6.x releases could be floating around for 5 + years. |
| 01:50.52 | spldart | Man.... XP could be a major player for quite a while then... even WELL after the scheduled next release of windows in a year. |
| 01:51.19 | JeffM | XP is a desktop system |
| 01:51.28 | JeffM | you'll see server 2003 stay around a LOT longer |
| 01:52.01 | spldart | Well... I guess I'm thinking along the lines of XP Pro Corp edition... which is a desktop sure... but a pro desktop for many. |
| 01:53.01 | spldart | is 2k3 still the current server edition? |
| 01:53.16 | JeffM | oh god no |
| 01:53.21 | spldart | sry |
| 01:53.21 | JeffM | 2008 is the last stable |
| 01:53.29 | spldart | I don't follow ms releases closely |
| 01:54.19 | spldart | is 2k8 like vista like XP/2k is to NT ? Not an exact analogy to be sure. |
| 01:56.50 | JeffM | 2000 = NT |
| 01:56.55 | JeffM | 2003 = XP |
| 01:57.01 | JeffM | 2008 = vista sans mass suck |
| 01:57.14 | JeffM | server 2008 can be made into a REALLY good desktop system |
| 01:57.48 | spldart | succinct. Thanks. |
| 01:58.51 | spldart | Hrm... I need to see if my broh can give me some seat time behind a 2k8 server edition. |
| 02:02.01 | spldart | Tax check should be in in 1 to 2 weeks... Hope to bend some ears on hardware queries at that time. I'll have to build quite nearly to totally from scratch. |
| 02:13.29 | blast007 | needs to remember to not eat pizza while using the touch screen.. |
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| 03:30.19 | spldart | hehe |
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| 17:06.55 | blast007 | persistent |
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| 18:06.22 | SportChick | blast007: try hex ban |
| 18:06.48 | blast007 | SportChick: it's probably just some random proxy, so I'd rather ban the whole thing |
| 18:07.00 | *** mode/#bzflag-chat [+b *!n=7cd9e631@*] by SportChick |
| 18:07.19 | blast007 | legitimate users can use our webchat or a real client. |
| 18:07.43 | SportChick | blast007: he started on bzflag's webchat yesterday |
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| 18:07.55 | spaceman | GOOD AFTER NOON YOU MOTHER FUCKERS |
| 18:08.05 | spaceman | WHATS FUCKING GOING ON IN HERE? |
| 18:08.10 | spaceman | BEING GAY? |
| 18:08.23 | JefferyM | heh |
| 18:08.27 | JefferyM | that's all he could come up with? |
| 18:08.32 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:09.01 | blast007 | he's not a real bright fellow |
| 18:11.29 | blast007 | SportChick: he's had three different hex values since then (counting the one he used for our webchat) |
| 18:12.00 | SportChick | blast007: yesterday he used several proxies but same hex |
| 18:12.06 | blast007 | k |
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| 21:12.19 | Winny | someone needs to reply with "why yes we were, want to join in?" |
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| 23:42.04 | spldart | WooHoo.. My 5200 FX is finally dying. Get artifacting in blocks on bzflag around the cursor intermittantly |
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