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| 16:51.11 | *** topic/#byumug by wps -> BYU Macintosh Users Group | mac.byu.edu |
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| 17:02.03 | wps | and it begins… |
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| 17:02.58 | cboyack | ah, _that_ party... |
| 17:04.45 | wps | dang, 5,000 attendees |
| 17:05.06 | wps | just shy of 1 million ADC members |
| 17:05.10 | wps | Apple is rocking |
| 17:05.41 | cboyack | what feeds are you guys watching? i'm on macrumorslive.com |
| 17:05.51 | wps | same |
| 17:05.58 | wps | they have the best track record |
| 17:06.55 | wps | no way |
| 17:06.57 | wps | new products! |
| 17:07.00 | wps | apple store is down |
| 17:07.06 | cboyack | looks like they're using a push AJAX technology to get the updates out |
| 17:07.07 | wps | I wasn't expecting the store to go down |
| 17:07.11 | wps | yeah |
| 17:07.13 | cboyack | very nice.. last time it was just a refresh every 15 secs or so |
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| 17:08.20 | Fredjikrang | howdy! |
| 17:08.24 | wps | welcome |
| 17:08.53 | wps | good gesture, giving that award to Intel |
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| 17:09.05 | Fredjikrang | aye |
| 17:09.13 | Fredjikrang | what sites you guys watching? |
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| 17:09.17 | danielwsmithee | hey I got on! |
| 17:09.27 | wps | welcome, danielwsmithee |
| 17:09.30 | Fredjikrang | Yay! |
| 17:09.40 | wps | Electronic Arts are coming back to the Mac platform |
| 17:09.42 | wps | more games for mac |
| 17:10.07 | Fredjikrang | huh? |
| 17:10.13 | Fredjikrang | ah |
| 17:10.20 | Fredjikrang | Where are you guys watching? |
| 17:10.26 | wps | http://www.ea.com |
| 17:11.02 | cboyack | my cousin is a lead designer for EA, and a huge mac fan.. i'm sure he's wetting his pants |
| 17:11.09 | wps | #macrumors on irc.macrumorslive.com |
| 17:11.53 | Fredjikrang | Ah, yes. I was wondering what the name was. |
| 17:12.24 | danielwsmithee | That is pretty big news. Something I didn't see coming. |
| 17:12.43 | Fredjikrang | Yup! |
| 17:13.24 | Fredjikrang | lol |
| 17:13.47 | wps | wow, and another game company too |
| 17:13.54 | wps | ID games |
| 17:15.07 | Fredjikrang | Man, they sure are trying to get over that "no games for Mac's" myth aren't they? |
| 17:15.08 | _psychic_ | whoa John Carmack |
| 17:15.15 | _psychic_ | its not a myth :) |
| 17:15.23 | _psychic_ | *it's |
| 17:16.34 | wps | please oh please a pro skin for 10.5 |
| 17:16.41 | Fredjikrang | Leopard already! |
| 17:16.43 | Fredjikrang | Wow! |
| 17:16.46 | Fredjikrang | That was fast! |
| 17:17.14 | wps | I can't believe that we have to wait until October to get this |
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| 17:19.05 | wps | new desktop? |
| 17:19.05 | cboyack | moving "beyond" leopard? |
| 17:19.06 | ryoujou | howdy all |
| 17:19.06 | Fredjikrang | "300 new features"? |
| 17:19.06 | Fredjikrang | Never heard that before . . . |
| 17:19.09 | Fredjikrang | ;) |
| 17:19.24 | wps | menu bar transparent? |
| 17:19.54 | cboyack | stacks.. kinda like the grouping we've seen on the visual interfaces, such as microsoft's surface? |
| 17:20.05 | wps | ah, the rumored stacks are finally implemented |
| 17:20.12 | wps | those have been rumored for years and years |
| 17:20.40 | ryoujou | (where are other people watching updates? macrumorslive seems to be a bit behind) |
| 17:20.42 | wps | brushed metal 100% out |
| 17:20.44 | cboyack | goodbye metal |
| 17:20.54 | Fredjikrang | yay! |
| 17:21.03 | cmkilger | bout time |
| 17:21.06 | wps | hallehuiah! 10.5 will finally have a consistent uI!!! |
| 17:21.06 | Fredjikrang | macrumors IRC channel |
| 17:21.10 | cboyack | #macrumors on irc.macrumorslive.com |
| 17:21.15 | Fredjikrang | #macrumors on irc.macrumorslive.com |
| 17:21.25 | ryoujou | thanks |
| 17:21.29 | cboyack | man, text just doesn't do it.. i need to see the demos! |
| 17:21.50 | cboyack | so stacks reside in the dock? |
| 17:22.29 | Fredjikrang | sounds kinda like there is a stack of docks. . . |
| 17:22.48 | wps | first photo |
| 17:22.49 | wps | http://s3.media.macrumorslive.com/p/1181582403.jpg |
| 17:22.52 | Fredjikrang | but that would be just weird |
| 17:22.53 | wps | although it doesn't show much |
| 17:22.57 | cboyack | whoever is taking photos needs to have the people in front of him duck |
| 17:23.31 | cboyack | stack = app launcher? |
| 17:23.41 | cboyack | http://s3.media.macrumorslive.com/p/1181582462.jpg |
| 17:24.08 | Fredjikrang | hmm |
| 17:24.25 | wps | it sounds like stacks can be about anything you want |
| 17:24.36 | wps | a grouping of whatever you want to group together |
| 17:24.42 | Fredjikrang | yeah |
| 17:24.49 | wps | http://s3.media.macrumorslive.com/p/1181582522.jpg |
| 17:26.25 | wps | wait, the reported just mentioned "new finder" in his review of what has been covered so far |
| 17:26.38 | wps | I didn't see anything about a new finder yet |
| 17:26.46 | wps | oh… wait… perhaps they are covering that now |
| 17:26.52 | wps | ah, interesting |
| 17:26.57 | wps | CoverFlow in Finder |
| 17:27.04 | _psychic_ | nifty |
| 17:27.33 | wps | I wonder if that will be useful at all or just pretty |
| 17:27.44 | danielwsmithee | Man this is better then chirstmas |
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| 17:27.55 | Fredjikrang | Well, I've never used the iTunes one, but it might be nice for folders full of images |
| 17:28.13 | wps | yeah, I don't use it in iTunes at all |
| 17:28.53 | danielwsmithee | I use it all the time in iTunes. I like to listen to whole albums at a time though. |
| 17:29.50 | danielwsmithee | So does the Bac to my mac require .Mac? |
| 17:29.59 | bjhomer | Looks like it |
| 17:30.04 | Fredjikrang | I usually just have it shuffle all songs, though I do have a bunch of playlists as well. I rarely listen to a whole album straight through. |
| 17:30.26 | cboyack | what does back to my mac do..? |
| 17:30.43 | cboyack | share when not on a network? huh? |
| 17:30.50 | wps | interesting |
| 17:30.52 | Fredjikrang | Yup. |
| 17:30.56 | wps | Finder appears to still have aqua scroll bars |
| 17:31.01 | bjhomer | Weird... the new Finder looks a lot like iTunes |
| 17:31.05 | bjhomer | That will take getting used to |
| 17:31.12 | danielwsmithee | It sounds like an easy to use version of dynamic dns that works for all your machines. |
| 17:31.21 | wps | I was hoping that aqua was out with brushed metal |
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| 17:32.21 | ArchAngelNix | Anybody watching the WWDC text streams? |
| 17:32.31 | Fredjikrang | yup |
| 17:32.44 | bjhomer | Engadget has some great pictures |
| 17:32.48 | Fredjikrang | lol, WoW crashed aparently. |
| 17:32.56 | wps | during the presentation? |
| 17:33.00 | _psychic_ | yes |
| 17:33.03 | ArchAngelNix | Arstechnica has an IRC up |
| 17:33.03 | wps | ouch |
| 17:33.15 | ArchAngelNix | irc.arstechnica.com #wwdc |
| 17:33.17 | Fredjikrang | macrumors has a IRC as well |
| 17:33.28 | ryoujou | yeagm engadget's pics are much better than macrumor's |
| 17:33.42 | ArchAngelNix | Agreed |
| 17:35.19 | Fredjikrang | can't join that IRC channel. |
| 17:35.21 | ArchAngelNix | So what do people think about coverflow in the Finder? |
| 17:35.25 | Fredjikrang | bleh |
| 17:35.31 | Fredjikrang | I hope there is better stuff to come |
| 17:35.44 | ryoujou | mostly eye candy so far it seems |
| 17:35.47 | ArchAngelNix | Not impressed with Coverflow in the Finder? |
| 17:35.49 | Fredjikrang | This quick view seem decent. |
| 17:35.53 | Fredjikrang | Nope. |
| 17:35.58 | ArchAngelNix | I am excited about Stacks. |
| 17:36.38 | Fredjikrang | er, "Quick Look" seems pretty cool. |
| 17:36.46 | ArchAngelNix | Agreed. |
| 17:36.56 | bjhomer | stacks and cover flow will probably take some getting used to, but I think they'll probably end up being nice |
| 17:37.11 | danielwsmithee | yeah at least you still have all the other views list columns icons etc. So I'm fine with it. Use whichever views makes the most sense for the documents. |
| 17:37.19 | ArchAngelNix | 64bit top to bottom? Will it work on G4's? |
| 17:37.31 | Fredjikrang | yup |
| 17:37.45 | Fredjikrang | I doubt they would do something like that. |
| 17:38.07 | Fredjikrang | Most of the intel machines that they have sold aren't 64bit either. |
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| 17:38.14 | ArchAngelNix | Oh... it seems it can run on both archs. |
| 17:38.45 | Fredjikrang | Apple likes compatibility. |
| 17:38.46 | Fredjikrang | :D |
| 17:39.16 | danielwsmithee | Sounds like the mini will be updated or dropped. |
| 17:39.17 | bjhomer | I wonder if they'll start offering 64-bit cpus soon. the Apple store is down, after all... |
| 17:39.37 | danielwsmithee | Core 2 Duo is 64-bit Core Duo is not |
| 17:39.47 | Fredjikrang | aren't the new C2duos 64bit compatibal. |
| 17:39.50 | Fredjikrang | ? |
| 17:39.51 | ArchAngelNix | The G5 has 64bit extensions |
| 17:44.53 | Fredjikrang | boot camp time! |
| 17:45.30 | danielwsmithee | What could be new I thought they just updated it like 2 days ago to 1.3. Virtualization? |
| 17:45.51 | Fredjikrang | looks like nothing new |
| 17:45.55 | wps | nope |
| 17:45.57 | wps | interesting |
| 17:46.06 | wps | I really thought that they'd do more with it then just a bootloader |
| 17:46.33 | danielwsmithee | It looks like they are just going to support Parallels and VMWare. |
| 17:46.43 | wps | yeah |
| 17:46.51 | wps | I'm actually fine with that personally |
| 17:46.58 | Fredjikrang | When is all the "top secret" stuff going to be announced?!? I mean, we already knew about everything here except cover flow and stacks, which are neat, but notr really a big deal. |
| 17:47.13 | wps | Windows will and windows apps will never be on my mac, so I'd rather Apple spend their time working on other things |
| 17:47.32 | wps | the good stuff is always at the end |
| 17:47.41 | danielwsmithee | They were top secret though. Along with the 64-bit thing (but you could have guessed that) |
| 17:47.44 | Fredjikrang | Unfortunatly. |
| 17:48.01 | Fredjikrang | Man, why does my meeting have to be at noon on Monday's? |
| 17:48.05 | bjhomer | heh. |
| 17:48.06 | ArchAngelNix | I don't like the fact that audio only plays on the space you are on. I like to turn on iTunes in one virtual desktop and work in anohter. |
| 17:48.15 | Fredjikrang | hmm |
| 17:48.24 | wps | who schedules meetings for noon? |
| 17:48.29 | Fredjikrang | I wonder if there is a way to have an app in every space. . . |
| 17:48.32 | Fredjikrang | My boss. |
| 17:49.02 | ryoujou | it would seem like there would be the ability to have apps in all spaces.. or have an app play audio in all spaces |
| 17:49.20 | danielwsmithee | I would think so. |
| 17:50.27 | danielwsmithee | The movie thing was one of my favorite features of the old sherlock. |
| 17:51.09 | ArchAngelNix | Same |
| 17:51.12 | Fredjikrang | I guess you could always minimize iTunes to the dock, but that could be annoying. |
| 17:51.15 | wps | I'll actually use Dashboard more with this web clip thing |
| 17:51.24 | ryoujou | sigh... most of this was on apple's website from a year ago.. |
| 17:51.41 | Fredjikrang | Yeah, but they are almost out of that stuff. :D |
| 17:51.49 | wps | hang in there |
| 17:51.50 | ArchAngelNix | Yeah... I guess the top secret features was just the Finder mainly. |
| 17:51.56 | wps | this Keynote is scheduled for two hours buddy |
| 17:52.05 | ArchAngelNix | Is it? |
| 17:52.07 | ryoujou | i thought it was only 1.5.. |
| 17:52.12 | danielwsmithee | man I'm not going to get any work done today. |
| 17:52.21 | ArchAngelNix | He said he wanted to go over 10 features, and he is almost done. |
| 17:52.24 | wps | last I heard it was blocked out for two hours |
| 17:52.44 | Fredjikrang | They are usually two hours, aren't they? |
| 17:52.47 | ryoujou | huh, well, we can only hope |
| 17:52.56 | danielwsmithee | 10 features in Leopard, but he could still talk about iLife, iWork, and hardware :) |
| 17:53.21 | ArchAngelNix | True. |
| 17:53.22 | Fredjikrang | Who cares about those! We want OS news! ;) |
| 17:53.22 | wps | no, usually between 1.25 and 1.5 |
| 17:53.32 | ryoujou | but it all looks a lot more polished than last year |
| 17:53.35 | wps | I was a pro theme, dang it |
| 17:53.38 | ArchAngelNix | They said there was 300 new features for Leopard at the begining. |
| 17:54.09 | ArchAngelNix | Wade at least there isn't any more brushed metal |
| 17:54.13 | Fredjikrang | Yeah, like there were 200 in Tiger. |
| 17:54.19 | bjhomer | I wonder if they'll have fixed the memory leaks with widgets |
| 17:54.27 | bjhomer | the weather widget drives me crazy |
| 17:54.49 | Fredjikrang | iChat?!? Groan. |
| 17:55.29 | wps | agreed |
| 17:56.21 | wps | congratulations, Apple |
| 17:56.21 | rsabey | What feed are you looking at that brought up iChat almost a full minute before I saw it on macrumors.com?? |
| 17:56.25 | danielwsmithee | Photobooth features in iChat!!! The MySpace kids are going to love that! |
| 17:56.30 | wps | iChat finally does tabs… five years after everyone else |
| 17:56.34 | Fredjikrang | #macrumors on irc.macrumorslive.com |
| 17:56.47 | rsabey | Thanks! |
| 17:56.55 | wps | I love ham |
| 17:57.15 | Fredjikrang | lol |
| 17:57.16 | ArchAngelNix | I like the iChat theater option. To be able to show people what I chatting about. |
| 17:57.31 | Fredjikrang | Yeah, that is kinda neat. |
| 17:57.44 | Fredjikrang | Of course we already knew about it. . . |
| 17:57.54 | bjhomer | If iChat supported more protocols, a la Adium, I'd care a lot more. |
| 17:58.13 | ArchAngelNix | They also built VNC controls into iChat so you can view or take control of a remote computer in iChat. Great tech support option for mothers living far away. |
| 17:58.15 | Fredjikrang | Oh, hi BJ! |
| 17:58.35 | wps | definately |
| 17:59.22 | danielwsmithee | Yeah the VNC thing will be pretty useful for my parents who are 800 miles away from me now. |
| 17:59.22 | bjhomer | Huh. That is nice. |
| 17:59.22 | ryoujou | agreed... all of these great features wasted on just other AIM users... |
| 17:59.56 | ArchAngelNix | iChat supports Google Talk as well. |
| 18:00.04 | danielwsmithee | Oh common they just want you to buy .Mac and get your whole family to sign up as well. |
| 18:00.09 | Fredjikrang | Does google support video? |
| 18:00.18 | ryoujou | where is built in gchat support?? |
| 18:00.24 | ryoujou | maybe on windows |
| 18:00.26 | ArchAngelNix | Jabber |
| 18:00.50 | ArchAngelNix | In iChat you can create account that uses Google Talk servers. |
| 18:00.50 | danielwsmithee | Yeah I use the jabber all the time at work. I think it supports video too. |
| 18:00.52 | ryoujou | i've used it over jabber... just didnt feel very smooth (file transfers, etc) |
| 18:01.18 | ryoujou | maybe i should try it again... |
| 18:01.39 | bjhomer | ry, we'll have to try that sometime. |
| 18:01.47 | Fredjikrang | gr, Time Machine. |
| 18:01.54 | Fredjikrang | I was hoping for something new! |
| 18:02.22 | ryoujou | well, 30 (possibly 60) min to go |
| 18:02.52 | ryoujou | please not much on the iphone... save that for its own event steve |
| 18:03.43 | Fredjikrang | agreed |
| 18:03.44 | bjhomer | I'm excited about Time Machine; it will be incredibly useful for non-tech-savvy people. But still. We did this last year. |
| 18:03.49 | ryoujou | no mention of zfs yet like all the rumors sites.. |
| 18:04.06 | ryoujou | +predicted |
| 18:04.15 | Fredjikrang | Backup to airport is nice though. |
| 18:04.33 | Fredjikrang | One big drive for all your computer backups. . . |
| 18:05.09 | danielwsmithee | yeah that is a nice feature. I wonder if it will work with any shared volume on a Mac? |
| 18:05.18 | Fredjikrang | hmm |
| 18:05.20 | ArchAngelNix | From what I have read about ZFS it isn't a bootable file system. So it will probably only be used for Timemachine drives. |
| 18:05.35 | wps | correct, not bootable… yet |
| 18:05.55 | danielwsmithee | My understanding was that Sun just released a version that allowed booting in Sollaris |
| 18:06.09 | wps | oh? |
| 18:06.33 | ryoujou | time machine is nice... |
| 18:06.39 | rsabey | I read that about solaris, too. Now bootable from zfs, but tricky. |
| 18:07.32 | Fredjikrang | uh oh |
| 18:07.33 | ArchAngelNix | Same price point. That is good |
| 18:07.38 | Fredjikrang | Basic Version? |
| 18:07.41 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 18:07.43 | danielwsmithee | Oh it was added to open solaris not solaris. |
| 18:07.44 | wps | go Apple |
| 18:07.45 | Fredjikrang | wooh |
| 18:07.48 | Fredjikrang | lol |
| 18:08.12 | ryoujou | hehehe |
| 18:08.20 | wps | that was a well-deserved jab |
| 18:08.20 | ArchAngelNix | Feels like it is ending... |
| 18:08.22 | bjhomer | Vs. Server version probably |
| 18:08.30 | ryoujou | one more thing... |
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| 18:08.46 | bjhomer | hahaha... basic version $129... premium version $129 |
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| 18:08.54 | ryoujou | safari? |
| 18:08.57 | Fredjikrang | whoops |
| 18:09.03 | rsabey | Thats a great jab at MS! |
| 18:09.14 | danielwsmithee | Very whitty |
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| 18:09.22 | ArchAngelNix | I heard a rumor today that Safari is being ported to WIndows. |
| 18:09.31 | ryoujou | crazy |
| 18:09.38 | danielwsmithee | Why? |
| 18:09.42 | wps | it's true |
| 18:09.43 | wps | whoa |
| 18:09.44 | rsabey | "Most people are goinna buy the ultimate version" -- that cracks me up. |
| 18:09.48 | wps | never dreamed |
| 18:09.48 | Fredjikrang | weird |
| 18:10.14 | ArchAngelNix | I wonder why. |
| 18:10.18 | rsabey | How soon can I download it??!!!! |
| 18:10.18 | danielwsmithee | If it was available on Linux too I would use it across the board. Instead I use firefox |
| 18:10.20 | Fredjikrang | doesn't make any sense to me. |
| 18:10.28 | bjhomer | I've heard those rumors too, but where is it confirmed? |
| 18:10.37 | bjhomer | The main reason would be to get windows users using it |
| 18:10.39 | ryoujou | better support? (just thinking of the safari vs firefox discussion on the list.._ |
| 18:10.41 | bjhomer | more users = more website compatibility |
| 18:10.45 | Fredjikrang | Yeah, but why would they? |
| 18:10.55 | bjhomer | Ah. That's wehre it's comfirmed. |
| 18:10.56 | bjhomer | :) |
| 18:10.59 | Fredjikrang | There is no motivation for a windows user to use it. |
| 18:11.01 | bjhomer | Safari is pretty quick |
| 18:11.01 | wps | Safari supports more features than nearly any browser… the more people they can get using it, the more then can use advanced features |
| 18:11.14 | bjhomer | Also supports standards better than most browsers |
| 18:11.21 | wps | yup |
| 18:11.28 | danielwsmithee | Good point. Automatically many mac user will use it on windows will close to double market share. |
| 18:11.29 | wps | better user experience |
| 18:11.31 | Fredjikrang | But even on the mac half of the people don't use it, they use Firefox. |
| 18:11.40 | ryoujou | looks fast |
| 18:12.11 | ryoujou | what are safari 3 features though.. that is a deal breaker |
| 18:12.14 | bjhomer | Probably because there aren't enough users; web developers don't make their websites compatible |
| 18:12.57 | wps | WAHOOO!!! |
| 18:13.01 | Fredjikrang | You know, if they just followed the standards it wouldn't be a problem. . . |
| 18:13.02 | wps | you can finally drag tabs!!! |
| 18:13.06 | danielwsmithee | Even with half on the mac they are at 4.9% though |
| 18:13.07 | Fredjikrang | Yay! |
| 18:13.11 | ryoujou | haha! |
| 18:13.14 | wps | and peel them off |
| 18:13.18 | wps | about freakin time |
| 18:13.23 | wps | I've been doing that in Adium and Colloquy for years |
| 18:13.26 | Fredjikrang | no kidding! |
| 18:14.34 | ryoujou | twice as fast eh? might move back from camino then... |
| 18:14.53 | bjhomer | I wonder when Safari 3.0 launches |
| 18:15.00 | bjhomer | Today? Or with Leopard/ |
| 18:15.25 | ryoujou | today would be nice.. |
| 18:15.29 | bjhomer | Agreed |
| 18:15.39 | wps | beta today |
| 18:15.42 | Fredjikrang | public beta today |
| 18:15.43 | danielwsmithee | Today build more hype for Leopard |
| 18:15.49 | Fredjikrang | bleh, iPhone now. |
| 18:15.54 | bjhomer | Distribute with iTunes now? |
| 18:16.15 | bjhomer | public beta today |
| 18:16.32 | ryoujou | 3rd oparty apps?? |
| 18:16.46 | Fredjikrang | looks like it. Probably just widgets though. |
| 18:17.07 | ryoujou | yeah.. |
| 18:17.16 | ryoujou | safari page is still pointing to v2 |
| 18:17.36 | danielwsmithee | I think they will announce some type of MS Word support. |
| 18:17.45 | Fredjikrang | it won't update until after the keynote ends. |
| 18:17.49 | bjhomer | So... why is the apple store down? |
| 18:17.58 | Fredjikrang | they always do that. |
| 18:18.04 | ryoujou | prob always take it down.. |
| 18:18.11 | bjhomer | Right, but usually because they're going to update it |
| 18:18.18 | bjhomer | it always goes down before a product update |
| 18:18.18 | Fredjikrang | They might sitll. |
| 18:18.21 | bjhomer | true |
| 18:18.29 | bjhomer | Mac Mini needs something, if it's not dying |
| 18:18.34 | ryoujou | new imacs??? |
| 18:18.42 | Fredjikrang | Yeah, just web aps for the iPhone. |
| 18:19.04 | danielwsmithee | new Macs, dropping the 17" iMac and mini? |
| 18:19.06 | bjhomer | imac rumorshave been floating |
| 18:19.38 | wps | no way |
| 18:19.49 | ryoujou | iphone.... if only i was rich.. |
| 18:19.50 | wps | it sounds like everything in the iPhone is widgets |
| 18:20.19 | bjhomer | Again... hopefully they've stopped the memory leaks in widgets. Wouldn't want your phone slowing down... |
| 18:20.23 | ryoujou | yeah.."all apps run within safari" |
| 18:20.27 | danielwsmithee | That is what it sounds like. |
| 18:20.47 | wps | crazy |
| 18:20.52 | wps | I never would have guessed |
| 18:20.57 | wps | iPhone is a mobile Dashboard |
| 18:21.03 | Fredjikrang | well, I gotta go. Still hoping fore something super sweet though. . . |
| 18:21.06 | bjhomer | interesting... they won't be able to enforce the "apple look" if it's all just AJAX |
| 18:21.18 | danielwsmithee | How is this going to support 3rd party hardware though on the expansion dock? |
| 18:21.19 | ryoujou | 10 min left... |
| 18:22.15 | wps | or 40, depending on if the rumor was right |
| 18:22.28 | bjhomer | heh. |
| 18:22.29 | danielwsmithee | I was hoping for a GPS expansion, that is integrated with GMaps!!!! |
| 18:22.34 | bjhomer | that could be fun |
| 18:23.00 | ArchAngelNix | I want to see iWorks '07 |
| 18:23.06 | danielwsmithee | Me2 |
| 18:23.21 | bjhomer | heck, iLife even. |
| 18:24.23 | bjhomer | still wondering about .mac too |
| 18:24.37 | wps | they have to talk about iLife |
| 18:24.41 | cboyack | does anybody else feel that this WWDC is kinda "meh"? |
| 18:24.51 | ArchAngelNix | Agreed |
| 18:24.53 | wps | everything Apple will continue to get more and more meh |
| 18:25.09 | danielwsmithee | So far I'm ok with it. Not too exciting but decent. |
| 18:25.24 | wps | as more and more people convert and more and more rumors come out… it will all become less exciting |
| 18:25.36 | ArchAngelNix | I am sure Leopard will rock, but Jobs is only showing off the eyecandy. |
| 18:25.45 | wps | no way |
| 18:25.47 | wps | their done? |
| 18:25.54 | ryoujou | sigh |
| 18:25.55 | wps | I can't believe nothing about iLive |
| 18:26.02 | bjhomer | a |
| 18:26.04 | wps | s/iLive/iLife/ |
| 18:26.11 | ArchAngelNix | Yeah. |
| 18:26.14 | wps | no way |
| 18:26.18 | wps | yeah, that was a let down |
| 18:26.49 | bjhomer | huh. |
| 18:26.52 | bjhomer | so... |
| 18:26.55 | danielwsmithee | too bad iLife would be interesting. |
| 18:27.02 | wps | I was being optimistic because I really thought it would be two hours |
| 18:27.06 | wps | that was sad though |
| 18:27.10 | wps | barely anything that we didn't already know |
| 18:27.20 | ArchAngelNix | Well to get Jobs a break, iWork/iLife isn't really a Developers topic. |
| 18:27.33 | wps | they are so long overdue for updates though |
| 18:27.39 | wps | and why is the Apple Store down? |
| 18:27.47 | bjhomer | exactly my question |
| 18:27.50 | danielwsmithee | That is true. I hope it doesn't take till January to update iLife though |
| 18:28.01 | ryoujou | come back on stage steve! encore encore! |
| 18:28.05 | ArchAngelNix | :-) |
| 18:28.55 | ryoujou | ended 4 minutes early.. |
| 18:29.01 | cboyack | time for a nap |
| 18:29.13 | ryoujou | its 3:30 am here... |
| 18:29.15 | ryoujou | time to sleep |
| 18:29.28 | danielwsmithee | Time for lunch |
| 18:29.54 | ArchAngelNix | Time for work. |
| 18:31.06 | ryoujou | so when is the safari beta going to be up?? no sign of it yet |
| 18:31.17 | ryoujou | apple stores going back up |
| 18:34.51 | wps | I don't understand why the Apple store every goes down |
| 18:35.01 | wps | to me that is a sign that Apple doesn't have their IT crap together |
| 18:35.22 | wps | how hard is it to have a second server all prepped and ready to go and then simply flip a switch on your load balancer? |
| 18:35.24 | ryoujou | who knows |
| 18:35.29 | bjhomer | Probably just so that customers don't get mad that they ordered something 5 minutes before the new product was out |
| 18:35.42 | ryoujou | maybe to build hype? |
| 18:35.51 | bjhomer | Since apple doesn't usually do free upgrades |
| 18:35.58 | rsabey | Safari 3 beta site is up. |
| 18:36.24 | danielwsmithee | It is all about the hype!! |
| 18:36.44 | rsabey | I downloading that sucker now!!!! (I'm on windows at work -- yuck!) |
| 18:37.27 | wps | wait one minute |
| 18:37.30 | wps | new website nav? |
| 18:37.45 | wps | new home page |
| 18:37.49 | wps | dump your cache boys! |
| 18:38.02 | wps | Apple finally updated their website after seven years! |
| 18:39.02 | wps | about dang time |
| 18:39.26 | bjhomer | oooh |
| 18:40.16 | bjhomer | Looks like it's still propogating... Support is still on the old nav |
| 18:41.41 | wps | I love the new look |
| 18:41.42 | wps | http://www.apple.com/safari/ |
| 18:42.33 | bjhomer | Oooh... Safari now has inline find a la Firefox |
| 18:43.11 | bjhomer | That's big for me |
| 18:43.26 | danielwsmithee | Resizable text fields looks nice. |
| 18:44.02 | wps | I HATE inline find |
| 18:44.17 | bjhomer | why's that? |
| 18:44.26 | danielwsmithee | yeah I prefer it. |
| 18:44.28 | wps | you know… I'm not sure exactly why |
| 18:44.33 | wps | probably just not used to it yet |
| 18:44.36 | wps | I just hate it |
| 18:44.43 | bjhomer | even in firefox? |
| 18:44.53 | wps | the few times I use FF and hit command + F I don't even notice that it came up |
| 18:44.58 | wps | …because no window appears |
| 18:45.08 | rsabey | So here is the beauty of Safari on Windows -- Safari is the iPhone browser. Soon there will be 8 million PC users using the iPhone. How they can have a browser on their PC that gives them the same experience as the iPhone does. |
| 18:45.42 | wps | exactly |
| 18:46.30 | rsabey | Of course that just continues the discovery of PC users to the beauty and functionality of Apple products. |
| 18:47.46 | rsabey | Sweet! Safari! Running right here on my XP PC! Oh the joy! |
| 18:49.46 | bjhomer | Installing right now... |
| 18:49.56 | cboyack | site won't even come up for me... |
| 18:57.27 | rsabey | Gotta run! Gotta get Safari all set up and configured! <O Joy!> |
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