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| 15:54.44 | wps | good news about the MacBook |
| 15:54.49 | wps | 2.1 GHz surprise |
| 15:55.01 | feutetejsd | oh really? |
| 15:55.25 | wps | yup |
| 15:55.58 | wps | http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2006/2/14/2864 |
| 15:57.17 | feutetejsd | that's cool! |
| 18:43.53 | dna3e8 | How do you install a printer |
| 18:44.28 | wps | Printer Setup Utility |
| 18:44.43 | dna3e8 | Oh I was in prefrances |
| 18:45.03 | feutetejsd | there's a button in Print & Fax preference pane labeled Set Up Printers.... |
| 18:45.11 | feutetejsd | that will launch the Printer SEtup Utility |
| 18:45.17 | wps | yes… you can use that… but I personally wish that it wasn't there |
| 18:45.26 | wps | it confuses people and makes them used to going to preferences to set up a printer |
| 18:45.30 | wps | which doesn't make sense |
| 18:45.42 | wps | setting up a printer isn't a "preference" |
| 18:45.58 | wps | imo |
| 18:46.10 | dna3e8 | it is pluged in with usb |
| 18:46.32 | dna3e8 | I don't see is any where |
| 18:46.55 | feutetejsd | yeah, although I can see their rationale in putting it there...it's much easier to provide access to setup/preference items all in one location rather than having lots of disparate utilities scattered hither and yon |
| 18:47.05 | wps | right |
| 18:47.15 | dna3e8 | more printers dosn't have usb connection |
| 18:47.24 | wps | and although it doesn't make any sense to me to look for it there… a lot (perhaps most) people do |
| 18:47.38 | feutetejsd | yeah, OK, on to dna3e8's problem.... |
| 18:47.57 | dna3e8 | I agree with you |
| 18:48.39 | feutetejsd | so, you go to the printer setup utility, and click "Add", is that right? |
| 18:48.54 | wps | your printer is on, right? |
| 18:48.55 | dna3e8 | yes |
| 18:49.07 | wps | and you don't see it in the default browser? |
| 18:49.21 | dna3e8 | I see someone else's Bonjor printer |
| 18:49.49 | dna3e8 | it is not in default browser |
| 18:52.50 | wps | WAHOO! |
| 18:52.55 | wps | my g-drive arrived!!! |
| 18:53.00 | wps | oh man… it's so sexy |
| 18:53.03 | feutetejsd | awesome |
| 18:53.05 | dna3e8 | Yeaha |
| 18:55.13 | dna3e8 | is there any way to use the printer |
| 18:56.00 | feutetejsd | have you restarted your machine with the printer attached and powered on? |
| 18:56.26 | dna3e8 | i don't think so |
| 18:56.50 | feutetejsd | might be worth a shot....despite USB being all plug-n-play and such, I've seen some times where it's not so much... |
| 18:56.55 | feutetejsd | oh....and also, you left the chat |
| 18:56.57 | feutetejsd | :) |
| 18:57.27 | feutetejsd | so, wps, you're gonna have to give us a play-by-play of the g-drive |
| 19:00.36 | wps | plugging it in now :) |
| 19:00.45 | feutetejsd | excellent.... |
| 19:01.01 | wps | seriously… this hard ware is beautiful |
| 19:01.28 | feutetejsd | nice |
| 19:02.06 | wps | only one negative so far |
| 19:02.12 | wps | was supposed to come with three cables: USB 2, FW 400, FW 400 |
| 19:02.14 | wps | only came with one |
| 19:02.16 | wps | a FW 800 |
| 19:02.19 | wps | on the phone with them |
| 19:02.24 | feutetejsd | hrm |
| 19:04.49 | wps | turns out the website was wrong |
| 19:04.55 | wps | they will send the other two though because that's what it said |
| 19:05.01 | wps | and will be updating their site quickly :) |
| 19:05.26 | feutetejsd | hehe...nice work |
| 19:05.36 | feutetejsd | i love finding little nuggets like that |
| 19:06.12 | feutetejsd | did you ebd up buying direct from manufacturer? |
| 19:06.18 | wps | yes |
| 19:06.20 | feutetejsd | er...end up buying.... |
| 19:06.22 | feutetejsd | ah |
| 19:06.31 | wps | didn't find it less expensive anywhere else |
| 19:06.41 | wps | I thought that I had… but they weren't the same HD size |
| 19:07.40 | feutetejsd | ah |
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| 19:08.39 | dna3e8 | still no printer |
| 19:08.47 | feutetejsd | hrm.... |
| 19:08.54 | wps | came pre-formatted |
| 19:09.33 | feutetejsd | cool....dna3e8, does it show up in the System Profiler under Hardware->USB ? |
| 19:09.36 | wps | not journaled though |
| 19:09.42 | wps | what do you think, feutetejsd |
| 19:09.56 | feutetejsd | it's hfs? |
| 19:09.59 | wps | not worth journaling on an external HD? |
| 19:10.06 | wps | yes |
| 19:10.33 | dna3e8 | Feutejsd: no |
| 19:10.40 | feutetejsd | hmmmmm.....not sure, really....I'm a fan of journaling at most times. you using it for anything really mission-critical? |
| 19:10.48 | wps | back up |
| 19:10.52 | feutetejsd | dna3e8, that's odd... |
| 19:11.22 | dna3e8 | the printer light was blinking so there is some comunication |
| 19:11.37 | wps | I have always used Mac OS Extended (journaled) in the past |
| 19:11.39 | feutetejsd | hmmm... dna3e8, does this printer work on other machines? |
| 19:11.50 | dna3e8 | yes.. |
| 19:11.54 | wps | Mac OS Extended == HFS+ |
| 19:12.39 | feutetejsd | wps, it might be interesting to play with the drive a bit in journaled vs non-journaled....it would be interesting to see time/CPU usage writing some files of varying sizes to it to see how it compares |
| 19:13.03 | feutetejsd | dna3e8, what make/model of printer is it? |
| 19:13.29 | dna3e8 | hp deskjet 870Cse |
| 19:13.47 | wps | do you have HP's drivers installed? |
| 19:15.06 | dna3e8 | yes and no, I use HPIJS to print to a windows shared deskjet 670C |
| 19:15.25 | wps | what is HPUS? |
| 19:15.39 | wps | so this printer is not directly connected to the computer? |
| 19:16.12 | dna3e8 | this one is (the broken one) my old one is not. |
| 19:16.19 | wps | one thing that I do do, feutetejsd, for backup drives with 10.4 is to disable indexing for the drives… since there is no need to search them… since they are exact mirrors |
| 19:16.32 | wps | the first thing that you need to do is to download and install HPs drivers |
| 19:16.32 | dna3e8 | http://www.linuxprinting.org/macosx/hpijs/ |
| 19:16.38 | feutetejsd | weird...on HP's site, under software/driver downloads for the deskjet 870cse, it lists all versions of wintendo, plus Mac OS 8&9, but not OSX |
| 19:16.40 | dna3e8 | k |
| 19:16.42 | wps | then it should appear in the default browser |
| 19:16.52 | wps | then it probably isn't supported |
| 19:16.55 | wps | how old is the printer? |
| 19:17.02 | dna3e8 | old... |
| 19:17.26 | feutetejsd | wps, that's good to know....I'm speaking from 10.3 experience :) |
| 19:17.34 | dna3e8 | HPIJS is an open souce project supporting old priners on OSX |
| 19:17.44 | wps | it just depends on if you ever want to search it (via spotlight) |
| 19:17.56 | wps | if you don't, then there is no reason to index it (slows it down) |
| 19:19.21 | feutetejsd | yeah, makes sense...dna3e8, I'm not sure what to tell you, unfortunately. seems to me that unless Google can provide some enlightenment, it may not work with OS X |
| 19:19.42 | dna3e8 | thnaks |
| 19:19.42 | wps | is this computer alone or is it on a network? |
| 19:19.49 | wps | do you have another computer that can be the host and share it? |
| 19:19.56 | dna3e8 | yes |
| 19:20.07 | feutetejsd | that may be a decent option |
| 19:20.11 | dna3e8 | 'that is easy' |
| 19:20.17 | wps | or, another option is to try a USB print server |
| 19:20.29 | wps | although most companies don't "support" this configuration |
| 19:20.32 | wps | so you're on your own |
| 19:21.41 | feutetejsd | bummer...on HP's site, under system requirements: |
| 19:21.42 | feutetejsd | Mac OS v. 7.1 to Mac OS 9.x (no connectivity or software support for Mac OS X) |
| 19:26.03 | feutetejsd | wps, it seems to me that it would be a good idea to go with journaling....it would be bad to have, say a power outage, that kills your HD in your machine, and to find that your backup also tanked due to the power outage and because it wasn't journaled, you now are the proud owner of not one, but two bricked hard drives |
| 19:26.13 | wps | agreed |
| 19:26.19 | wps | I reformatted to journaled |
| 19:27.08 | feutetejsd | we actually had an interesting experience with journaling on a Linux system recently where it was like the machine was too fast for the journaling to keep up, and it started spewing all kinds of ext3 errors |
| 19:27.13 | feutetejsd | good times |
| 19:27.26 | wps | crazy |
| 19:27.32 | wps | the next thing that I really need for home is a UPS |
| 19:27.41 | feutetejsd | yeah, it was wild, but we were really beating the disks up |
| 19:27.44 | feutetejsd | UPS=good |
| 19:27.46 | wps | I am tired of the power going out… bad for my electronics |
| 19:27.51 | feutetejsd | it has saved my bacon several times |
| 19:29.06 | feutetejsd | brb |
| 20:08.45 | feutetejsd | back |
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| 22:52.18 | airsimon | hello |
| 22:52.32 | airsimon | anyone here? |
| 22:52.56 | wps | airsimon, feutetejsd, jbot, ChanServ, and wps |
| 22:53.31 | wps | did he honestly think that we'd respond within twenty seconds? |
| 22:54.36 | wps | I hate it when people jump into a channel and say "anyone here?"… "anyone awake?" |
| 22:54.46 | wps | like we're just sitting here waiting for them to come so that we can help them |
| 22:54.59 | wps | just ask your question… if we know the answer and want to respond… we will |
| 22:55.27 | feutetejsd | indeed |
| 23:24.53 | wps | 10.4.5 is out |
| 23:26.37 | feutetejsd | cool |
| 23:27.43 | wps | wow, the cube effect works on dual displays now |
| 23:28.41 | wps | still can't fix rsync though :( |
| 23:28.41 | wps | sheesh |
| 23:29.25 | feutetejsd | good luck |
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| 23:37.13 | wps | you were worried I wasn't coming back, huh |
| 23:37.26 | wps | looks like everything is okay, except transparent dock doesn't work |
| 23:37.33 | feutetejsd | cool |
| 23:37.50 | wps | I think that that developer is preventing it from working on versions other than those that he has tested it on though opposed to it actually not working |
| 23:39.46 | feutetejsd | hmmm....my dock is transparent....I wonder if I did that with cocktail or something... |
| 23:39.49 | feutetejsd | can't remember |
| 23:40.06 | wps | man, it sure is ugly with that background |
| 23:40.21 | wps | cleardock by Unsanity is the most common method |
| 23:40.38 | feutetejsd | ummmm...costs $?? |
| 23:40.42 | wps | zero |
| 23:40.51 | wps | but I found out that it is not a good method as it hacks into the kernel in real time |
| 23:40.54 | feutetejsd | hmmm |
| 23:40.57 | feutetejsd | eep! |
| 23:41.02 | wps | well, not the kernel… but processes |
| 23:41.11 | wps | transparent dock is a much better approach |
| 23:41.30 | feutetejsd | hmmm....is transparent dock a feature in Tiger? |
| 23:41.31 | wps | it alters the dock binary and then exits… then it is done… a one time thing |
| 23:41.35 | wps | nope |
| 23:41.51 | feutetejsd | oh |
| 23:41.54 | wps | transparent dock is a little app that just alters the dock |
| 23:41.58 | feutetejsd | so, you're using Unsanity or similar? |
| 23:42.23 | wps | the difference though is that it just does it once instead of doing it in real time like Unsanity does |
| 23:42.27 | wps | no, Unsanity approach == bad |
| 23:42.31 | feutetejsd | oh, I see |
| 23:42.32 | wps | transparent dock == much better |
| 23:42.57 | feutetejsd | so, the transparent dock to which you are referring is a utility? |
| 23:43.13 | wps | yes. a little app |
| 23:43.19 | feutetejsd | ah, cool |
| 23:43.25 | feutetejsd | where did you get it from? |
| 23:43.34 | wps | http://www.freerangemac.com/TransparentDock2.html |
| 23:46.09 | wps | do you use SSHKeyChain? |
| 23:47.41 | feutetejsd | no |
| 23:47.53 | wps | oh, man, you have to get that |
| 23:47.53 | feutetejsd | but I do use JellyFiSSH.....which I love |
| 23:47.58 | wps | it is the best ever |
| 23:47.58 | feutetejsd | what's SSHKeyChain? |
| 23:48.04 | wps | it manages your SSH keys |
| 23:48.18 | feutetejsd | cool....from where? |
| 23:48.27 | wps | http://sshkeychain.org/ |
| 23:48.40 | feutetejsd | have you ever used JellyFiSSH? |
| 23:48.55 | wps | I am aware of it but haven't actually used it |
| 23:49.35 | feutetejsd | i love it....use it to bookmark the 40+ servers I SSH to on a regular basis |
| 23:49.54 | wps | wow |
| 23:50.02 | wps | I set aliases for the ones I connect to regularly |
| 23:50.14 | wps | so I can just type a one word string |
| 23:50.26 | wps | such as "home" instead of "ssh wade@home.wadeshearer.com" etc |
| 23:51.21 | feutetejsd | ah...this gives you a GUI to manage connections, then you right-click its icon in the dock and it lists all of your servers...you seelct one and it opens Terminal with an SSH session to it |
| 23:51.28 | feutetejsd | i love it |
| 23:51.52 | wps | oh? |
| 23:52.01 | wps | all I use it for is to remember my SSH password |
| 23:52.49 | wps | so that if I am scp-ing stuff to a server repeatedly (that I have my SSH key on), I only have to enter my password once and it will keep it "open" for a while so that I can just scp-y and scp-y without having to enter my password in each time |
| 23:53.20 | wps | it can keep it open forever by adding it to your keychain, but I consider that a security risk |
| 23:53.29 | wps | …if someone were to get in front of my computer |
| 23:54.05 | feutetejsd | indeed |
| 23:54.54 | feutetejsd | one cool thing about JellyFiSSH is that you can group your bookmarks into groups like production systems, dev systems, home systems, etc.... |
| 23:54.59 | wps | so I have it set to remove the keys from the agent when I lock the screen |
| 23:55.12 | wps | that's cool |
| 23:55.23 | feutetejsd | the developer actually responded to my email when suggested that, and said he thought it was a good idea...and it ended up in the next version |
| 23:55.33 | wps | wowo |
| 23:55.36 | feutetejsd | I'd be dead in the water without it |
| 23:59.08 | feutetejsd | i'ma have to look into sshKeyChain |
| 23:59.59 | wps | i just hope that the developers hasn't/does not throw in the towel |