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| 16:55.25 | _psychic_ | I'm having problems sending mail from on campus - anyone figured that out? | 
| 16:55.35 | _psychic_ | I followed the article on the site.. :/ | 
| 16:56.38 | feutetejsd | what error(s) do you get? | 
| 16:57.18 | cboyack | error #3982:  OIT is retarded.  We apologize for the inconvenience. | 
| 16:57.24 | _psychic_ | haha | 
| 16:57.54 | cboyack | john, fyi denis and i got our junk done on the wiki last night.  i saw jason's was up too | 
| 16:58.06 | _psychic_ | nice | 
| 16:59.10 | _psychic_ | "Cannot send message using the server (null)" | 
| 16:59.24 | _psychic_ | so I switch it to mail.byu.edu:jda57 | 
| 17:01.48 | _psychic_ | cboyack: remember to login before you edit next time | 
| 17:02.19 | cboyack | i prefer the comfort that anonymity provides... :)  j/k, i will | 
| 17:03.56 | feutetejsd | wow.....from a businessweek article: "It costs Apple $898 to assemble the iMac before loading it with software and packing it in a box"  | 
| 17:04.03 | feutetejsd | not much room left for profit | 
| 17:04.31 | _psychic_ | considering the other option, its quite a bit of profit ;) | 
| 17:04.50 | cboyack | reminds me of M$ and the xbox 360.. they lost money on every shipment.. they make their money on games though | 
| 17:04.50 | feutetejsd | you mean PPC or Wintel? | 
| 17:05.01 | _psychic_ | PPC | 
| 17:05.06 | feutetejsd | ah yes....true dat | 
| 17:05.23 | _psychic_ | How many laptops you see running on a G5? ;) | 
| 17:06.26 | cboyack | you think that was a cost issue? | 
| 17:07.23 | _psychic_ | no its a it-cant-be-done-yet issue | 
| 17:07.44 | cboyack | right | 
| 17:07.44 | _psychic_ | stick an intel in there, you've got great speed and low heat | 
| 17:07.55 | _psychic_ | stick a g5 and you have a melted PB | 
| 17:07.59 | cboyack | i wasn't following your logic | 
| 17:08.09 | cboyack | well at least you have a portable way to fry eggs.. | 
| 17:10.50 | _psychic_ | yeah but it costs you $2k ;) | 
| 17:11.05 | _psychic_ | but hey - its some sexy hardware | 
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| 22:22.31 | wps | anyone have experience editing PDFs (changing the text)? | 
| 22:25.20 | feutetejsd | a little.....very little | 
| 22:25.41 | wps | I'll ask the list | 
| 22:25.51 | wps | I've done it before but can't get it to work now | 
| 22:26.43 | feutetejsd | hmmm | 
| 22:37.09 | cboyack[home] | wps, you can try http://www.smileonmymac.com/PDFpen/ | 
| 22:37.17 | cboyack[home] | i've never tried it, but it might do the trick | 
| 22:37.57 | wps | well, it'd better work with Acrobat Pro or I am in trouble | 
| 22:38.05 | wps | I just had my employer purchase Acrobat Pro | 
| 22:38.13 | wps | it's not for me though, it's for our secretary | 
| 22:38.24 | wps | so that I can create documents (in InDesign or Illustrator) and then she can edit them | 
| 22:39.00 | wps | the goal is for her to be able to edit text without being able to edit formating or style (or needing the font on her machine) | 
| 22:42.01 | wps | http://www.uic.edu/depts/accc/seminars/acrobat/pdf-edit.html | 
| 22:42.06 | wps | (explains what I want) | 
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| 22:46.37 | gotfef | hey - thanks to everyone who helped me with my font problem yesterday | 
| 22:46.53 | gotfef | turns out i had a corrupt version of arial in my user account | 
| 22:48.20 | feutetejsd | glad to hear you got it worked out | 
| 22:48.27 | feutetejsd | props to wps for that suggestion | 
| 22:48.46 | gotfef | yeah, thanks again - i just got rid of the font from there since it existed in about five other places | 
| 22:49.15 | wps | yes, there is no need for a copy of Arial on your home dir unless you have some special version | 
| 22:49.38 | gotfef | gotcha, that makes sense | 
| 22:49.49 | gotfef | i'm not sure how it got corrupted in the first place, but you never know | 
| 22:51.04 | feutetejsd | so, here's something weird I noticed yesterday.... a lot of the fonts in ~/Library/Fonts on my machine are 0-byte files. only a very few actually contain data. Do you suppose the 0-byte files are just stub files so Office knows what fonts it should have available to it or something fruity like that? | 
| 22:51.15 | wps | fonts corrupt easily | 
| 22:51.31 | wps | doubt it | 
| 22:51.56 | wps | I would bet that they were copied/written wrong and lost their extended attributes | 
| 22:52.16 | feutetejsd | hmmmm....however, I have no problems with fonts in Office |