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| 16:09.14 | feutetejsd | morning, drewbono |
| 16:09.31 | drewbono | feutetejsd: what's up buddy? |
| 16:09.33 | drewbono | long time no chat |
| 16:09.36 | drewbono | how's life? |
| 16:09.42 | feutetejsd | yeah no kidding...it's crazy here |
| 16:09.45 | feutetejsd | how about you? |
| 16:10.31 | feutetejsd | just anxiously awaiting Dec. 17 |
| 16:12.48 | drewbono | Dec 17? |
| 16:12.51 | drewbono | What's that? |
| 16:12.53 | drewbono | Your bday? |
| 16:13.40 | feutetejsd | no, U2 concert |
| 16:17.45 | drewbono | sweet |
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| 19:47.37 | wps | feutetejsd, you remember that site that has the PHP binaries for Mac OS? |
| 19:48.18 | feutetejsd | i think that serverlogistics.com has some PHP binaries, but not sure how up-to-date they are |
| 19:48.37 | wps | ah-hah |
| 19:48.38 | wps | that's it |
| 19:48.40 | wps | entropy |
| 19:48.44 | wps | http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/php/ |
| 19:50.07 | feutetejsd | yeah, that's much more up-to-date than serverlogistics |
| 19:50.25 | wps | yeah |
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| 20:58.01 | wps | man, that was weird |
| 20:58.11 | wps | I plugged in an external firewire drive and it crashed my computer |
| 20:58.34 | wps | got the translucent grey screen that says that you have to hold down the power button and reboot |
| 20:58.38 | wps | :( |
| 20:58.44 | wps | glad I didn't have any unsaved documents open |
| 20:58.49 | feutetejsd | ick |
| 20:58.52 | feutetejsd | that's no good |
| 20:59.07 | feutetejsd | you don't see a kernel panic like that too often |
| 20:59.21 | wps | yeah |
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| 22:38.12 | wps | feutetejsd |
| 22:38.18 | feutetejsd | hey |
| 22:38.34 | wps | turns out that this firewire drives keys are our or order |
| 22:38.46 | wps | I cannot repair it using Disk Utility |
| 22:39.01 | wps | do you know if there is any hope to get data off before I reformat? |
| 22:39.05 | feutetejsd | what do you mean the drives keys are out of order? |
| 22:40.26 | feutetejsd | can you mount it manually using the mount command? |
| 22:40.51 | feutetejsd | and is it hfs+ formatted currently? |
| 22:51.06 | wps | when I plug it into this workstation, it crashes it immediately |
| 22:51.25 | wps | if I plug it into others (workstation and Mac OS Server), it shows up in Disk Utility, but won't mount |
| 22:51.44 | wps | when I try to mount it (via Disk Utility), it says cannot mount because of an error… run Repair |
| 22:51.59 | wps | so, I try to run Repair, but get the following error: |
| 22:52.07 | wps | Checking HFS Plus volume |
| 22:52.12 | wps | Checking Extents Overflow file |
| 22:52.16 | wps | Checking Catalog file |
| 22:52.24 | wps | Keys out of order (in red text) |
| 22:52.34 | wps | Rebuilding Catalog B-tree |
| 22:52.35 | feutetejsd | hmmm....that's odd |
| 22:52.43 | wps | The volume could not be repaired |
| 22:52.55 | wps | Error: The underlying task reported failure on exit |
| 22:54.56 | feutetejsd | hmmmm....the only other thing I could think of would be to try to mount it manually using the mount command and then try a fsck manually. not sure what else to try |
| 22:55.09 | wps | k |
| 22:55.27 | wps | luckily, it is just my backup drive, so I wouldn't be in trouble to loose the data |
| 22:55.31 | wps | except for two fiels |
| 22:55.31 | wps | files |
| 22:55.34 | wps | my sync scripts |
| 22:55.40 | wps | but those wouldn't be hard to recreate |
| 22:55.56 | feutetejsd | that's good to hear |
| 22:56.15 | wps | that's because I back up regularly |
| 22:56.21 | wps | I cannot believe that people don't |
| 22:56.28 | wps | _especially_ with the price of HDs |
| 22:56.35 | feutetejsd | no kidding |
| 22:56.44 | wps | everyone should own an extra hard drive and back up to it |
| 22:56.58 | feutetejsd | I'm looking at helping my brother in law build a 1TB+ RAID array, and it's actually feasible |
| 22:57.16 | feutetejsd | not too long ago, it would have been totally cost-prohibitive |
| 22:57.21 | wps | I am even going to purchase a second for inside my tower here in a bit (as soon as I can get it approved by my wife) and have triple copies (double-backup) |
| 22:57.45 | wps | we have a 1 TB RAID tower connected to a mac mini running Mac OS Server here at the office |
| 22:58.08 | wps | it rocks |
| 22:58.16 | feutetejsd | is the tower a PowerMac tower, or is it an external drive enclosure? |
| 22:58.25 | wps | external enclosure |
| 22:58.33 | wps | hot-swappable |
| 22:58.37 | wps | oh-yeah |
| 22:58.38 | feutetejsd | oh yeah? did you build it? |
| 22:58.50 | wps | I could have |
| 22:58.55 | wps | but our IT guy hired someone to |
| 22:59.28 | feutetejsd | I'm looking for just that sort of solution, but can't find the hardware....or at least haven't had a particularly easy time finding it |
| 22:59.39 | feutetejsd | at least not in the 1 hour I've spent looking for it |
| 22:59.58 | wps | hmm |
| 23:00.04 | feutetejsd | is there any way you could get me some info on who makes the enclosure and the controller? |
| 23:00.11 | wps | let me send an email to our IT guy and see if he can get a link to the hardware |
| 23:00.16 | wps | for sure |
| 23:00.17 | feutetejsd | that would be great |
| 23:00.19 | feutetejsd | thanks man |
| 23:00.47 | feutetejsd | how is the Mac Mini connected to the tower? Firewire? |
| 23:00.59 | wps | yup, firewire |
| 23:01.13 | wps | it's only 400, because that's all a mini will do, but it's sufficient |
| 23:01.23 | feutetejsd | cool, yeah, any information you could get me about the hardware would be much appreciated. that's exactly what my brother in law is looking for |
| 23:01.27 | feutetejsd | thanks |
| 23:02.12 | feutetejsd | info on the firewire card, the RAID controller and the enclosure would be great |
| 23:02.41 | feutetejsd | boy, for never having more than 3 humans in this IRC channel, it sure is useful :) |
| 23:02.50 | wps | for sure :) |
| 23:07.04 | wps | hmm |
| 23:07.10 | wps | I should try fsck_hfs from the command line |
| 23:07.59 | feutetejsd | worth a shot |
| 23:27.25 | wps | duh |
| 23:27.32 | wps | how can I run that if it's not mounted |
| 23:27.40 | wps | how do you mount something with mount? |
| 23:27.41 | feutetejsd | oh yeah, it won't even mount |
| 23:27.47 | wps | (that's an ugly man file) |
| 23:28.10 | feutetejsd | mount -t hfs /path/to/device /path/to/mountpoint |
| 23:28.22 | wps | what would path to device be? |
| 23:29.48 | wps | if it's now mounted yet, how would it have a path? |
| 23:29.55 | wps | s/now/not |
| 23:31.05 | feutetejsd | trying to figure out how OSX handles the devices....under Linux, it would be something like /dev/hda1 or similar |
| 23:31.49 | wps | could I ls in /dev |
| 23:33.00 | feutetejsd | yeah....for example the mount command shows me that my HD is at /dev/disk0s9 |
| 23:33.19 | feutetejsd | not sure which device under /dev a firewire drive would be, though... |
| 23:33.29 | wps | would df show it? |
| 23:33.44 | feutetejsd | only if its mounted |
| 23:33.51 | wps | k |
| 23:34.36 | feutetejsd | you might just have to do an ls in /dev with the drive plugged in and try a few devices that look likely |
| 23:34.44 | wps | k |
| 23:34.51 | wps | thanks |
| 23:35.40 | feutetejsd | np |
| 23:36.26 | feutetejsd | I have some .dmgs mounted, and they show up as /dev/disk1 and /dev/disk2, so maybe something like that... |
| 23:36.45 | feutetejsd | I mean, the diskx nomenclature does not appear to be limited to IDE devices |
| 23:37.22 | feutetejsd | in linux, I've seen some firewire or usb drives show up as /dev/sdg1 |
| 23:37.35 | feutetejsd | each OS has its own nomenclature on how it will refer to devices |
| 23:40.21 | wps | http://i3.microsoft.com/h/en-us/i/READY_2_10.jpg |
| 23:40.34 | wps | I don't understand why companies use dates in the version names of their products |
| 23:40.44 | feutetejsd | yeah, no kidding |
| 23:40.48 | wps | or any strange character combinations for that matter |
| 23:40.57 | wps | Adobe Creative Suite CS2 |
| 23:41.09 | wps | Macromedia Flash Professional MX 2006 |
| 23:41.10 | wps | ??? |
| 23:41.12 | wps | that's rediculous |
| 23:41.34 | wps | I assume that they do it for marketing purposes, but I think that the result is negative, not positive |
| 23:41.39 | feutetejsd | yeah |
| 23:41.42 | wps | who wants to run MS Office 2003 in 2005? |
| 23:42.06 | feutetejsd | or windows 98, like I run at home :) |
| 23:42.09 | feutetejsd | in 2005 |
| 23:42.12 | wps | "we too cool for version numbers" |
| 23:42.42 | wps | yeah, just call it Microsoft Windows 2 (or whatever version that was) |
| 23:43.06 | wps | and then when they release an update, it can be a sub-rev, instead of "service pack 2 xp 2005 power release combo" |
| 23:43.12 | wps | sheesh |
| 23:43.23 | wps | 10.4.3 is soooo much clearer |
| 23:43.33 | feutetejsd | hehe |
| 23:43.35 | feutetejsd | amen |
| 23:43.45 | wps | that's what ever other software company does |
| 23:56.22 | feutetejsd | time for me to go...good luck with the FW drive, and LMK what/if you hear back from you IT guy about the external drive enclosure, pls |
| 23:56.33 | wps | will |
| 23:56.35 | wps | do |
| 23:56.40 | wps | have a good night |
| 23:57.14 | feutetejsd | you too--oh, BTW, I just posted a response to Michael's suggestion that you watch the system log as you plug in the FW drive--looks like that will tell you where in /dev the device lives |
| 23:57.21 | wps | I saw that |
| 23:57.22 | wps | thanks! |
| 23:57.35 | wps | I'm going to try that as soon as I get home |
| 23:57.43 | feutetejsd | cool |
| 23:57.44 | feutetejsd | ttyl |
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