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| 05:59.43 | guest_3882 | know how to get iSight and iChat AV to work on the BYU network? I'm trying to connect with my brother in North Carolina who just returned home from Iraq. |
| 06:00.02 | wps | you'll need to speak to drewbono |
| 06:00.09 | wps | he knows that inside and out |
| 06:00.30 | guest_3882 | where do i find him? |
| 06:00.46 | wps | he's in here all the tim |
| 06:00.47 | wps | time |
| 06:00.52 | wps | (just not right now, unfortunately) |
| 06:01.00 | guest_3882 | thanks. |
| 06:01.22 | wps | drewbono = Andrew Jacobs = BYU MUG President |
| 06:02.04 | wps | http://mac.byu.edu/users.php?mode=profile&uid=520 |
| 06:02.28 | wps | ~drewbono |
| 06:02.29 | jbot | hmm... drewbono is the mac, or a grammar super-freak |
| 06:04.05 | wps | sorry that I cannot be of assistance |
| 06:04.30 | wps | I have never used an iSight |
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| 17:23.12 | drewbono | Man, I'm sick....again. |
| 17:23.15 | drewbono | This stinks. |
| 17:23.23 | feutetejsd | d'oh! |
| 17:23.30 | feutetejsd | sorry man |
| 17:23.30 | drewbono | I guess I shouldn't stay up until all hours of the night playing Call of Duty. |
| 17:23.42 | drewbono | Good thing I just finished the expansion pack, so there's nothing more for me to accomplish. |
| 17:23.45 | drewbono | :-) |
| 17:25.27 | wps | :) |
| 17:26.01 | feutetejsd | that's good to hear |
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| 17:44.25 | cmkilger | can somebody help me with the terminal? |
| 17:44.30 | wps | sure |
| 17:44.47 | cmkilger | I'm trying to install gnump3d |
| 17:44.58 | wps | ah, I am not good with installing |
| 17:45.00 | cmkilger | and when I type 'make install' |
| 17:45.07 | cmkilger | it says there is no make command |
| 17:45.12 | wps | drewbono and feutetejsd probably are however |
| 17:45.28 | feutetejsd | where did you get the source? |
| 17:45.44 | cmkilger | gnump3d.org |
| 17:45.45 | feutetejsd | http://www.gnu.org/software/gnump3d/download.html ? |
| 17:45.50 | feutetejsd | ah, ok |
| 17:46.35 | feutetejsd | stand by...downloading |
| 17:46.59 | cmkilger | but why do I get "tcsh: make: Command not found." |
| 17:47.17 | cmkilger | I should have gone to the meeting yesterday |
| 17:47.22 | cmkilger | When is the next one? |
| 17:47.52 | feutetejsd | see if /usr/bin/make exists |
| 17:48.24 | cmkilger | nope |
| 17:48.33 | cmkilger | I've got makeinfo |
| 17:48.35 | feutetejsd | ah....have you installed the OS X developer tools? |
| 17:48.50 | cmkilger | yeah |
| 17:48.56 | cmkilger | is that a problem? |
| 17:49.04 | feutetejsd | hmmm....are you on 10.3.8? |
| 17:49.14 | cmkilger | or does that just mean I need to use a different method? |
| 17:49.16 | feutetejsd | no, you need the dev. tools, so that's a good thing |
| 17:49.17 | cmkilger | yes I am |
| 17:49.27 | feutetejsd | ok....it's weird that make isn't there....stand by |
| 17:50.01 | cmkilger | I know I've used it before, though I can't remember on what |
| 17:50.47 | feutetejsd | hmmm. That's REALLY weird....might be worth it to try installing the devtools again. make should be there... |
| 17:50.54 | feutetejsd | and that would cause the problem you're seeing |
| 17:51.09 | cmkilger | ok |
| 17:51.13 | cmkilger | if I have to |
| 17:51.15 | feutetejsd | just for kicks, check to see if /usr/bin/gcc and /usr/bin/cc exist |
| 17:51.56 | cmkilger | nope |
| 17:52.17 | feutetejsd | sounds like something went awry with the devtools install |
| 17:52.30 | feutetejsd | they should be there if devtools is there....I'd reinstall devtools and try again |
| 17:52.46 | cmkilger | will comply |
| 17:53.19 | cmkilger | Xcode 1.5 work? |
| 17:54.38 | feutetejsd | run /Applications/Installers/Developer\ Tools/Developer.mpkg |
| 17:55.32 | feutetejsd | i think...stand by |
| 17:56.41 | feutetejsd | actually, try /Applications/Installers/Developer\ Tools/Packages/DeveloperTools.pkg |
| 17:57.05 | cmkilger | installing... |
| 17:57.09 | feutetejsd | coo |
| 18:02.49 | drewbono | 'sup cmkilger |
| 18:03.31 | cmkilger | just trying to install stuff |
| 18:03.48 | cmkilger | when's the next mac 'n snack? |
| 18:03.52 | drewbono | There is an update for the Dev Tools as well. |
| 18:03.58 | drewbono | You can get it off connect.apple.com |
| 18:04.04 | drewbono | I think it'll be in 2 weeks. |
| 18:04.10 | cmkilger | how updated? |
| 18:04.18 | drewbono | Nov 2004 |
| 18:04.20 | drewbono | I think. |
| 18:04.35 | cmkilger | ok, then I already have it |
| 18:04.46 | cmkilger | I think. |
| 18:05.14 | drewbono | Are you installed the dev tools now |
| 18:05.16 | drewbono | ? |
| 18:05.21 | drewbono | It's a big install. |
| 18:06.06 | cmkilger | I've installed it before, so it's just doing an "update" because there seem to be some things missing |
| 18:08.41 | drewbono | Cool. |
| 18:08.48 | drewbono | Yeah, the mac 'n snak was cool... |
| 18:09.08 | drewbono | except that the room we reserved didn't allow food inside it, so it was a lot more mac than snak |
| 18:09.11 | drewbono | :) |
| 18:09.29 | feutetejsd | that's unfortunate |
| 18:09.34 | cmkilger | that's too bad, i really like snacks |
| 18:09.51 | drewbono | We'll have to get a different room next time, although those room behind the HBLL are perfect. |
| 18:09.58 | drewbono | Centrally located. |
| 18:10.30 | cmkilger | are slides posted yet? |
| 18:10.36 | drewbono | Not yet. |
| 18:10.48 | drewbono | He's still putting some finishing touches on them. |
| 18:11.19 | feutetejsd | cmkilger, how is the install going¿ |
| 18:11.32 | feutetejsd | man, I always do that... make that ¿ a ? |
| 18:11.48 | cmkilger | 4 minutes remaining |
| 18:21.58 | feutetejsd | brb |
| 18:24.21 | cmkilger | ok, it's finished the install and is now optimizing but i've still got nothing |
| 18:29.40 | feutetejsd | still no /usr/bin/make ? |
| 18:30.33 | drewbono | cmkilger, are you in the terminal? |
| 18:30.33 | drewbono | or are you looking in the Finder? |
| 18:30.33 | cmkilger | no, I'm trying to install that package from the CD now, if I do it from the disk it says I can't install it on this computer |
| 18:30.38 | cmkilger | for /usr/bin/make in the terminal |
| 18:32.26 | cmkilger | still nothing |
| 18:32.34 | cmkilger | I don't get it |
| 18:32.43 | drewbono | what are you typing into the terminal? |
| 18:33.05 | cmkilger | cd /usr/bin and ls |
| 18:33.12 | cmkilger | is that wrong? |
| 18:33.23 | drewbono | no |
| 18:33.26 | drewbono | ls | grep make |
| 18:33.28 | drewbono | try that |
| 18:33.56 | drewbono | You may just want to download the december developer tools from Apple directly. |
| 18:34.23 | cmkilger | december? |
| 18:34.42 | cmkilger | are you sure you don't mean august? |
| 18:35.46 | feutetejsd | does which make return anything in the terminal? |
| 18:36.26 | cmkilger | make: command not found |
| 18:36.45 | cmkilger | sill computers |
| 18:36.46 | feutetejsd | grr |
| 18:36.53 | cmkilger | kil |
| 18:37.19 | feutetejsd | if you run the env command in terminal, what does the line that begins with PATH say? |
| 18:37.45 | cmkilger | PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin |
| 18:37.58 | feutetejsd | grr again |
| 18:38.20 | feutetejsd | and what installer did you run? |
| 18:38.40 | cmkilger | DeveloperTools.pkg |
| 18:39.02 | feutetejsd | that's all very odd |
| 18:39.08 | cmkilger | I've also run in from the CD |
| 18:39.19 | cmkilger | and XcodeTools.mpkg |
| 18:40.03 | cmkilger | what if I were to uninstall and then reinstall |
| 18:40.05 | cmkilger | ? |
| 18:40.32 | feutetejsd | perhaps.... |
| 18:43.07 | feutetejsd | have you tried running the installer as root, or are you just running it as an administrator user? |
| 18:43.20 | cmkilger | admin |
| 18:43.48 | cmkilger | I'll be right back |
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| 18:47.16 | cmkilger | hello |
| 18:47.23 | feutetejsd | welcome back |
| 18:47.33 | feutetejsd | did you reboot? |
| 18:47.59 | cmkilger | yeah |
| 18:48.13 | feutetejsd | any improvement on the no make issue? |
| 18:48.26 | feutetejsd | I don't imagine it would, but.... |
| 18:48.59 | feutetejsd | what does ls -ld /usr/bin return? |
| 18:49.25 | cmkilger | i'm logged in as root and it's there |
| 18:50.02 | feutetejsd | yes, but what permissions? |
| 18:50.12 | feutetejsd | something like: |
| 18:50.12 | feutetejsd | ls -ld /usr/bin |
| 18:50.13 | feutetejsd | drwxr-xr-x 639 root wheel 21726 Feb 10 09:24 /usr/bin |
| 18:50.56 | cmkilger | drwxr-xr-x 627 root wheel 21318 18 Feb 11:38 . |
| 18:51.53 | cmkilger | be right back again |
| 18:51.58 | feutetejsd | k |
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| 18:54.41 | cmkilger | looks like I just needed to reboot |
| 18:54.47 | feutetejsd | really? |
| 18:54.50 | cmkilger | yeah |
| 18:54.54 | feutetejsd | I'm stunned |
| 18:54.56 | cmkilger | silly computers |
| 18:55.09 | feutetejsd | so, make install is working now? |
| 18:55.22 | cmkilger | should, find out in a sec |
| 18:56.14 | cmkilger | DOH! |
| 18:56.28 | feutetejsd | ?? |
| 18:56.39 | cmkilger | install -d /etc/gnump3d |
| 18:56.40 | cmkilger | install: mkdir /etc/gnump3d: Permission denied |
| 18:56.40 | cmkilger | make: *** [install] Error 71 |
| 18:56.54 | feutetejsd | are you running it as root? |
| 18:57.08 | cmkilger | no |
| 18:57.19 | feutetejsd | do that |
| 18:57.26 | cmkilger | worked |
| 18:57.34 | feutetejsd | yay! |
| 18:57.47 | cmkilger | wow, that was fast |
| 18:59.00 | feutetejsd | now the real question is....does gnump3d work? |
| 19:00.04 | cmkilger | i ran a test script and a few tests failed |
| 19:00.27 | cmkilger | do you know how to fix that? |
| 19:00.38 | cmkilger | 0. Testing that all the test scripts are executable. [FAILED] |
| 19:01.00 | cmkilger | 5. Test that every configuration option is documented in 'man gnump3d.conf'. [Key '"use_client_host' not documented |
| 19:01.03 | cmkilger | Key 'downsample_"level"_"file suffix"' not documented |
| 19:01.06 | cmkilger | Key 'downsample_clients' not documented |
| 19:01.09 | cmkilger | Key 'host_rewrite' not documented |
| 19:01.11 | cmkilger | Key 'no_downsample_clients' not documented |
| 19:01.13 | cmkilger | 14. Test that the OS detection works correctly. [FAILED] |
| 19:01.14 | feutetejsd | are these test scripts included with gnump3d? |
| 19:01.16 | cmkilger | FAILED] |
| 19:01.25 | cmkilger | 21. Test the operating system is sane. [FAILED] |
| 19:01.27 | cmkilger | yeah |
| 19:01.38 | cmkilger | 22. Test that each plugin is reference at least once in each theme directory. [Plugin playlist not found in ../templates/handheld/ |
| 19:01.41 | cmkilger | FAILED] |
| 19:01.53 | cmkilger | and... |
| 19:01.54 | cmkilger | 25. Test that each installable theme has an AUTHOR file. [FAILED] |
| 19:01.55 | cmkilger | 26. Test that each installable theme has the necessery files within it. [ |
| 19:01.55 | cmkilger | Theme ../templates/handheld/ is missing at least one file. |
| 19:01.55 | cmkilger | FAILED] |
| 19:01.56 | feutetejsd | stand by.... |
| 19:10.01 | feutetejsd | I got the same errors when I tried on my machine, but if I run the gnump3d command, it starts |
| 19:10.14 | feutetejsd | oh, I had to edit /etc/gnump3d/gnump3d.conf |
| 19:10.27 | cmkilger | thanks, i was just looking for that file |
| 19:10.36 | feutetejsd | and change the line that reads root=/home/mp3 to a directory that actyually exists |
| 19:12.02 | feutetejsd | when I do that, the server starts and listens on the port it's supposed to.... |
| 19:16.21 | feutetejsd | looks like it works, even with the errors during the make |
| 19:16.32 | cmkilger | how can I edit the file in the Terminal? I used to know vi fairly well but I've forgotten it now. |
| 19:17.00 | feutetejsd | do you have pico on your machine? |
| 19:17.07 | feutetejsd | it's a little easier than vi.... |
| 19:17.24 | cmkilger | don't know |
| 19:17.31 | cmkilger | yep |
| 19:17.46 | feutetejsd | try pico /etc/gnump3d/gnump3d.conf |
| 19:17.50 | feutetejsd | as root |
| 19:20.52 | wps | Fastest G5 Power Macs vs fastest Windows PCs |
| 19:20.58 | wps | http://mac.byu.edu/article.php?story=20050218121521688 |
| 19:21.32 | cmkilger | I don't think I saved it right |
| 19:21.47 | feutetejsd | I think it's control-O |
| 19:21.56 | feutetejsd | then control-X to exit |
| 19:23.47 | feutetejsd | interesting, wps.... |
| 19:24.17 | feutetejsd | however, I'm going to have to ask you to stop making me covet expensive hardware |
| 19:24.48 | feutetejsd | any luck, cmkilger? |
| 19:25.09 | cmkilger | I find SimpleText to be a little easier |
| 19:25.41 | feutetejsd | ?? |
| 19:25.48 | feutetejsd | is that a third party editor? |
| 19:25.59 | feutetejsd | I remember it from OS 9, but don't have it in X |
| 19:26.18 | cmkilger | It comes with the developer tools |
| 19:26.36 | feutetejsd | is it a GUI app, or command line? |
| 19:28.20 | cmkilger | GUI |
| 19:28.41 | feutetejsd | hmmm....haven't seen it |
| 19:28.54 | cmkilger | but using a backslash before the space didn't seem to work for a space |
| 19:29.26 | feutetejsd | yeah, I noticed that, too...I had to remove the slash, and it worked fine |
| 19:29.54 | feutetejsd | gnump3d must escape the path itself |
| 19:30.02 | feutetejsd | and gets confused if the path is already escaped |
| 19:33.51 | cmkilger | it still doesn't like the space |
| 19:34.07 | feutetejsd | what does that line look like in gnump3d.conf? |
| 19:36.09 | cmkilger | but I now think I have more than one gnump3d.conf out there because I tried changing it too many times in different ways |
| 19:37.03 | feutetejsd | d'oh! |
| 19:38.00 | cmkilger | ok, here it goes |
| 19:38.06 | cmkilger | indexing my music |
| 19:38.24 | feutetejsd | woohoo!!! |
| 19:38.35 | cmkilger | thanks for all the help by the way |
| 19:38.40 | feutetejsd | no worries |
| 19:41.47 | drewbono | Why is mac.byu.edu so slow? |
| 19:41.53 | drewbono | is it slow for everyone else too? |
| 19:42.33 | feutetejsd | yeah, a bit |
| 19:44.18 | drewbono | wps: that article rocks |
| 19:45.05 | drewbono | I'm surprised that the 2.5 ghz is that much faster than the 2.0 ghz G5 |
| 19:46.04 | feutetejsd | anyone know how the dual 2.5G5 compares to the dual Xeon 3.4 they tested against? |
| 19:46.11 | feutetejsd | price-wise I mean |
| 19:46.44 | drewbono | I'm sure the G5 if very similar, if not cheaper, than the Xeon. |
| 19:46.54 | feutetejsd | these numbers are all great, but all my Wintendo-loving buddies will still say that the Windoze is cheeper |
| 19:46.58 | feutetejsd | ah |
| 19:50.31 | drewbono | There's one comparison: http://www.mac360.com/index.php/mac360/more/204/P1/ |
| 19:50.51 | drewbono | There's a picture with a babe in a bikini on it though... |
| 19:51.46 | drewbono | Time for a new poll... |
| 19:51.53 | feutetejsd | interesting.. |
| 19:54.09 | feutetejsd | so, cmkilger, I don't know much about gnump3d....do you just hit it in a browser and click the links, or are there clients that you point at it....or both? |
| 19:54.32 | cmkilger | http://24.10.177.24:8888/ |
| 19:54.48 | cmkilger | try that and see for yourself |
| 19:55.50 | feutetejsd | yeah, I saw that on my machine too....can you point clients at it too? I mean, clicking the link will launch my mp3Player anyway, so it would be cool to just point the MP3 player right at it rather than having to navigate via browser and then click..... |
| 19:56.49 | drewbono | Well, feutetejsd |
| 19:57.16 | drewbono | I just hopped on Dell's site and configured a Precision workstation with the specs as the dual 2.5 g5, and it was $3611. |
| 19:57.23 | drewbono | Apple's: $2999 |
| 19:57.46 | feutetejsd | cool |
| 19:58.42 | drewbono | But, to be fair, the Dell _does_ come with a floppy drive... |
| 19:58.42 | drewbono | ;-) |
| 19:59.02 | drewbono | Actually, it's only $3,502.00...I had to subtract out the extended warranty the automatically included. |
| 19:59.04 | feutetejsd | oh yeah....forgot about that |
| 20:01.31 | cmkilger | (about GNUMP3d) no I don't think you can but you can download a playlist to, say iTunes, and then just play them as streams |
| 20:01.53 | feutetejsd | oh, cool |
| 20:01.55 | feutetejsd | I like that |
| 20:02.20 | feutetejsd | well, cmkilger, you have introduced me to yet another new toy today.... |
| 20:03.08 | cmkilger | yeah, my brother-in-law has been playing with it on his linux box and I figured it should work on my mac too |
| 20:04.49 | cmkilger | thanks for the help |
| 20:04.51 | cmkilger | see ya guys |
| 20:04.54 | feutetejsd | np |
| 20:04.55 | feutetejsd | ttyl |
| 20:17.37 | drewbono | feutetejsd: so what does GNUMP3d do ? |
| 20:17.56 | feutetejsd | it's a streaming music server |
| 20:18.02 | drewbono | Really? |
| 20:18.10 | drewbono | So I can connect to my music from anywhere? |
| 20:18.24 | feutetejsd | yeah....you can create playlists that iTunes can use |
| 20:18.28 | drewbono | sweet |
| 20:18.33 | drewbono | doesn't work with AAC, I assume. |
| 20:18.42 | feutetejsd | at least, that's my impression so far.... |
| 20:18.44 | feutetejsd | correct |
| 20:19.12 | feutetejsd | well, wait.... |
| 20:19.31 | feutetejsd | I could be wrong....it may support other music formats |
| 20:21.16 | feutetejsd | I'm new to it myself |
| 20:21.22 | feutetejsd | but it looks pretty slick |
| 20:22.31 | drewbono | Cool. |
| 20:22.37 | drewbono | I'll have to check it out when I get a sec. |
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| 20:33.13 | feutetejsd | does anyone remember how to manually tweak the type and creator on a file in OS X? |
| 20:37.38 | feutetejsd | nevermind...I found it |
| 20:43.03 | feutetejsd | cmkilger, thanks for opening my eyes to gnump3d. it's good stuff |
| 20:43.36 | cmkilger | no prob |
| 20:50.40 | macnewbold | have you guys seen JHymn, or iOpener? |
| 20:50.49 | feutetejsd | nay |
| 20:50.50 | macnewbold | http://hymn-project.org/jhymndoc/ |
| 20:51.11 | macnewbold | pretty sweet stuff... lets you remove the DRM Digital Rights Management from your iTunes-purchased files |
| 20:51.22 | macnewbold | so you can play them anywhere |
| 20:51.28 | macnewbold | or do other things permissible under your Fair Use rights |
| 20:51.40 | feutetejsd | cool |
| 20:51.42 | feutetejsd | me likey |
| 20:51.45 | macnewbold | ~jhymn |
| 20:52.29 | macnewbold | ~jhymn is at http://hymn-project.org/jhymndoc/ - it lets you remove DRM from iTunes-purchased files, so you can take back your Fair Use rights |
| 20:52.30 | jbot | macnewbold: okay |
| 21:19.26 | wps | color iPod mini |
| 21:19.31 | wps | http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/02/20050218151507.shtml |
| 22:03.35 | drewbono | That'd be pretty impressive if they add the color screen and higher capacity without raising the price. |
| 22:18.09 | wps | I would probably be ready to purchase one |
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| 22:18.14 | wps | welcome, guest |
| 22:18.41 | wps | goodbye, guest |
| 22:19.28 | feutetejsd | d'oh! |
| 22:19.35 | feutetejsd | we almost had a guest there... |
| 22:19.51 | wps | there was one in here the other day looking for iSight help, drewbono |
| 22:19.55 | wps | did he get ahold of you? |
| 22:20.12 | drewbono | Yeah. |
| 22:20.19 | drewbono | Actually, funny you should ask right now. |
| 22:20.21 | wps | good |
| 22:20.29 | drewbono | I just got off the phone with the security engineer in OIT. |
| 22:20.42 | drewbono | I sent him a list of ports that need to be opened, and he's going to review it and try to get it approved. |
| 22:20.50 | wps | wonderful |
| 22:20.54 | wps | how about closing up LDAP? |
| 22:20.58 | drewbono | So if all goes well, people will be iSighting to their hearts content in ResNet. |
| 22:21.05 | drewbono | I heard it's going to happen. |
| 22:21.14 | wps | requiring teachers to use BCC? |
| 22:21.16 | drewbono | That's what my friend was told. |
| 22:21.19 | drewbono | :-) |
| 22:21.27 | drewbono | Your list never ends... |
| 22:21.32 | wps | :) |
| 22:21.35 | wps | i'm done |
| 22:21.37 | drewbono | I think it's pretty funny when they don't BCC. |
| 22:21.48 | wps | it drives me nutes |
| 22:21.49 | wps | nuts |
| 22:21.53 | wps | I have a ticket open for that one |
| 22:22.14 | wps | there is no reason that everyone and their dog needs to see my address |
| 22:22.34 | drewbono | Yeah. |
| 22:22.42 | drewbono | I wonder if that's the default for BB. |
| 22:22.47 | drewbono | Blackboard. |
| 22:22.50 | drewbono | Or if teachers are just dumb. |
| 22:25.59 | wps | most likely both |
| 22:35.37 | drewbono | So... |
| 22:35.39 | drewbono | new poll ideas? |
| 22:35.42 | drewbono | What do you wanna know? |
| 22:36.48 | feutetejsd | hmmm.... |
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| 22:41.10 | drewbono | How about which IM clients people use? |
| 22:41.13 | drewbono | How many are there? |
| 22:42.19 | feutetejsd | good idea |
| 22:42.34 | feutetejsd | iChat, Adium, Fire, Yahoo, AOL, MSN, etc |
| 22:42.40 | drewbono | Adium, MSN, AIM, Fire, iChat |
| 22:42.45 | drewbono | Is there a yahoo one? |
| 22:42.55 | feutetejsd | yup |
| 22:43.08 | feutetejsd | obviously, it's specific to Yahoo's protocol....but yeah |
| 22:43.53 | drewbono | Any others? |
| 22:44.07 | drewbono | Proteus |
| 22:44.14 | feutetejsd | hmmm....I'm sure there are....gaim in X11 |
| 22:47.26 | drewbono | It's up. |
| 22:47.29 | drewbono | Vote away. |
| 22:48.10 | feutetejsd | go Adium!!! |
| 22:48.56 | drewbono | Whoa... |
| 22:48.59 | drewbono | Adium is kicking trash! |
| 22:49.03 | drewbono | 2/0/0/0/0/0 |
| 22:49.39 | feutetejsd | nice |
| 23:49.49 | macnewbold | Gaim rocks |