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| 01:43.51 | DaRock | found the urt knobs, but I've tried disabling all builtins and just enabling urt but it fails in the cmake tests (undefined references sysmp etc) |
| 01:44.22 | DaRock | otherwise I just get tk/tcl errors |
| 01:44.35 | DaRock | thats why I've tried disabling all |
| 05:39.54 | DaRock | can anyone tell me what I need to intone to fix the TERMLIB_INCLUDE_DIR? |
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| 10:56.51 | starseeker | DaRock: I'm not actually sure that bit is working properly |
| 10:57.14 | starseeker | (TERMLIB_INCLUDE_DIR) |
| 10:57.30 | DaRock | so.... what? :/ |
| 10:57.56 | starseeker | I'll see if I can look into it later today, unless you want to tackle redoing it :-) |
| 10:58.05 | DaRock | I'm looking at the source, and it should fallback to curses... etc |
| 10:58.12 | starseeker | what are the symptoms you're seeing? |
| 10:58.18 | DaRock | not a clue where to begin :) |
| 10:58.28 | starseeker | I didn't have one either when I started |
| 10:58.50 | starseeker | not always sure I have one now, for that matter ;-) |
| 10:58.51 | DaRock | I'm still on the first steep learning curve :) |
| 10:59.24 | starseeker | it's actually pretty straightforward, especially compared to autotools |
| 10:59.55 | starseeker | misc/CMake/FindTERMLIB.cmake should be involved with all that |
| 10:59.57 | DaRock | so I'm building on freebsd - mangling the port - trying to disable the builtins so the tk and libpng errors go away, but keep the urt lib |
| 11:00.24 | DaRock | it fails on finding termlib |
| 11:00.40 | DaRock | although why CMake should even need to get involved.... |
| 11:00.57 | DaRock | the c file seems to handle it very gracefully |
| 11:01.17 | starseeker | CMake sets the defines |
| 11:01.26 | starseeker | (or should be) |
| 11:01.35 | DaRock | src/libcursor/cursor.c |
| 11:01.44 | DaRock | weeellll.... |
| 11:01.44 | starseeker | the main logic is in src/other/CMakeLists.txt around line 202 |
| 11:02.15 | starseeker | and the THIRD_PARTY macro that calls is in misc/CMake/ThirdParty.cmake |
| 11:02.24 | DaRock | have a look at the c file - it seems to do well enough without. Unless you specifically want the builtin |
| 11:02.58 | starseeker | which is one of the cases we need to handle (deliberately turning on the built-in) |
| 11:03.21 | starseeker | if all else fails we fall back to the built-in, which is why we need to fix the detection |
| 11:03.57 | DaRock | seems fraught with difficulties :| |
| 11:03.59 | starseeker | FindTERMLIB.cmake should be checking for curses, ncurses, etc. |
| 11:04.38 | starseeker | DaRock: it's a general principle of the BRL-CAD build - the default out-of-box build will use system libraries where it can and src/other versions where it can't |
| 11:04.55 | starseeker | you can also override to use only src/other versions and only system libs |
| 11:04.58 | DaRock | I get that, but it doesn't seem to work |
| 11:05.44 | DaRock | overrides don't always work either - but where do I tell it to override termlib then? |
| 11:06.03 | starseeker | it gets tricky when you have system versions getting pulled in and locals enabled - the most common are zlib and png being enabled due to dev packages not being installed, but other system libs pulling in the system versions as well |
| 11:06.31 | starseeker | DaRock: it sounds like it's not detecting the system version correctly, so it can't work as expected |
| 11:06.32 | DaRock | exactly |
| 11:06.40 | DaRock | exactly |
| 11:06.55 | starseeker | I'll see if I can figure out why that detection isn't working - that should be the fix |
| 11:06.58 | DaRock | I don't quite know why though |
| 11:07.26 | DaRock | but again, why isn't there a knob for it? There is for just about everything else |
| 11:07.59 | DaRock | then if it isn't working as expected, it can be overridden and we move on in the meantime |
| 11:07.59 | starseeker | did you try -DBRLCAD_TERMLIB=BUNDLED ? |
| 11:08.24 | starseeker | that's what I would expect to be the override |
| 11:08.27 | DaRock | really? Where's that? |
| 11:08.56 | DaRock | I was hoping I could do SYSTEM, but I'll see... |
| 11:09.24 | starseeker | if it can't successfully detect the system version in the first place it won't let you succeed that way |
| 11:09.36 | starseeker | the "safe" fallback is to use our termlib |
| 11:10.12 | DaRock | from the logs, I'd say it isn't even looking for anything other than termlib (which the c file could handle) and simply failing |
| 11:10.16 | starseeker | DaRock: to be honest, we haven't put a lot of energy into the termlib stuff because it's eventually all scheduled to go away - we *can't* use it on Windows without an insane amount of work, and most of the tools that need it are very old |
| 11:10.45 | DaRock | thats my thinking :) |
| 11:10.46 | starseeker | OK, so something about FindTERMLIB.cmake isn't working right - it either isn't being called at all or its not doing its job |
| 11:11.08 | DaRock | the override won't work you think? |
| 11:11.10 | starseeker | i'll see if I can dig into it later today |
| 11:11.20 | starseeker | the override -DBRLCAD_TERMLIB=BUNDLED should work |
| 11:11.28 | starseeker | it just won't use the system version |
| 11:11.47 | DaRock | why? <sigh> |
| 11:11.55 | DaRock | retorical btw |
| 11:12.10 | starseeker | because our src/other is the fallback - we can't always rely on the system to provide what we need |
| 11:12.16 | DaRock | yes I miss-spelt it |
| 11:12.24 | starseeker | if the world consisted only of Linux and BSD distributions, we probably could |
| 11:13.00 | starseeker | but Windows, OSX, etc. don't have anything to match (say) the Debian apt system |
| 11:13.06 | DaRock | yes but why can't I - the compiler - tell it and to hell with the consequences? |
| 11:13.20 | starseeker | you can - -DBRLCAD_TERMLIB=SYSTEM |
| 11:13.40 | starseeker | but it will still have to detect the correct library flags and include dirs, and if it can't find them successfully it's game over |
| 11:14.05 | DaRock | I get that - and compiling it for one's self _should_ be the option, but I should still be able (if capable) to tell it what I want, rather than automated |
| 11:14.18 | DaRock | fine - build fails |
| 11:14.58 | DaRock | if I don't know what I'm doing, then I fallback myself to the automated system. If I can resolve it, then all will eventually be ok |
| 11:15.05 | starseeker | if you REALLY want to get hardcore you can define the things the FindTERMLIB file is supposed to define as well... -DTERMLIB_LIBRARY=curses and -DTERMLIB_INCLUDE_DIR=/usr/include or something like that |
| 11:15.33 | DaRock | it sounds like its born from an out of the box mentallity |
| 11:16.04 | starseeker | so -DBRLCAD_TERMLIB=SYSTEM -DTERMLIB_LIBRARY=ncurses -DTERMLIB_INCLUDE_DIR=/usr/include may get you past it in combination |
| 11:16.44 | starseeker | very much - the goal is to have the configure step always Just Work regardless of any shortcomings of the build environment |
| 11:16.55 | starseeker | (to a point of course - we can't bundle X11) |
| 11:17.12 | DaRock | thats what I was thinking, but it doesn't seem clearly indicated - it only says the defines, and none of the acceptable options are listed |
| 11:18.17 | starseeker | well, you shouldn't be having to defined the TERMLIB_* variables yourself - that's a bug in our system |
| 11:18.18 | DaRock | and thats fair enough, but to cut out any manual stuff is sure to come unstuck in edge cases where control might be required. |
| 11:18.38 | starseeker | nods - and in those situations, you can dig down and hand set variables |
| 11:18.59 | DaRock | I'll try those defines and see how I go - now that I know whats what ;) |
| 11:19.54 | DaRock | yes, but those variable are not documented as to what values can be put, or how the variables can be used - digging down didn't help :) |
| 11:20.00 | starseeker | DaRock: fwiw, brlcad is usually more in your camp of minimizing the "magic" and requiring manual setting of things to avoid broken corner cases |
| 11:20.47 | starseeker | DaRock: that's a fair point, and we probably should update our INSTALL doc to document what variables need to be hand-set if a manual override is required |
| 11:20.58 | DaRock | starseeker: does ncurses work on windows? |
| 11:21.10 | starseeker | nope |
| 11:21.42 | DaRock | works on about all others though, I think... I thought it did |
| 11:22.49 | starseeker | the closest thing out there that I know if is a version of pdcurses: https://www.projectpluto.com/win32a.htm |
| 11:22.49 | gcibot_ | [ PDCurses modified/extended ] |
| 11:22.58 | DaRock | no don't - that should be one to search for, but update it in the FindTERMLIB cmake file. If you don't dig that far, then you probably in the wrong place :) |
| 11:23.11 | starseeker | but I think the parts of the API they implement generally aren't the ones we use |
| 11:23.23 | DaRock | does brlcad use cygwin or is it native? |
| 11:23.27 | starseeker | so we'd have to rewrite a lot of our termlib code to more properly target the curses api |
| 11:23.39 | starseeker | it's native, built with MSVC |
| 11:23.49 | starseeker | one of the reasons we use cmake |
| 11:24.18 | DaRock | so win would be the edge case :D |
| 11:24.26 | DaRock | :P |
| 11:24.31 | starseeker | yep. also, unfortunately, the most common today |
| 11:24.57 | starseeker | BRL-CAD far predates Windows, so to us it's still an annoying edge case, but the rest of the world hasn't caught up yet |
| 11:25.19 | starseeker | DaRock: insider trick - look in .cmake files for the FIND_PACKAGE_HANDLE_STANDARD_ARGS line |
| 11:25.21 | DaRock | lol tell me about it :) |
| 11:25.48 | starseeker | in fairness, Windows is a lot easier to deal with these days than in years past |
| 11:25.52 | DaRock | thanks for the tip |
| 11:26.12 | starseeker | that macro defines the "required" variables for a particular Find*.cmake file |
| 11:26.44 | DaRock | <barf>... sorry about that. Thats why I got away from it entirely over 10 years ago |
| 11:26.46 | starseeker | if hard-setting the TERMLIB variables doesn't get you past it I'll try to see what's going on with the FindTERMLIB logic |
| 11:26.56 | starseeker | heh |
| 11:27.33 | starseeker | we periodically try to eliminated special case WIN32 logic in the build and code, but there's still quite a ways to go |
| 11:27.41 | DaRock | I got jack of having to explain why I had to reinstall it because some damned virus totalled my system |
| 11:27.52 | starseeker | yep, that gets old |
| 11:28.07 | starseeker | they're doing a lot better today than the Windows 98 days though. |
| 11:28.39 | DaRock | so I gave them one last call, and switched to linux, then bsd - and run it entirely caged in a vm if I really really have to |
| 11:29.00 | starseeker | nods - virtualbox and qemu really make life easier in that regard |
| 11:29.05 | DaRock | win98 you didn't have to justify a reload though |
| 11:29.20 | starseeker | heh - true enough |
| 11:29.38 | starseeker | DaRock: OK, I've gotta run - let us know how it goes and whether you hit any other hurdles |
| 11:30.21 | DaRock | I'll have a quick look at the FindTERMLIB logic, but my time is well overrun on this project so I might not get much done - I'll let you know what if I find anything |
| 11:30.34 | DaRock | sure. Thanks for the help :) |
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| 15:46.18 | DaRock | starseeker: it seems to be ignoring any overrides. I've got TERMLIB_LIBRARY=ncurses TERMLIB_INCLUDE_DIR=/usr/include set and its still looking for termlib.h according to the logs. A quick search finds no reference to (n)curses, and worse yet its still not looking in the /usr/include |
| 15:46.41 | DaRock | I'm not making much headway on the logic I'm afraid |
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