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22:10.31Soundbrlcad: ping
22:17.01teepeehey Sound
22:17.09Soundhi teepee
22:17.55teepeesaw the mails, are you going to join gsoc?
22:19.00Soundteepee: yeah!
22:19.23Soundand the deadline for applying as organization is very close
22:19.59teepeeyep, it is, less than 2 days
22:20.09teepeefrom our time zone pretty much tomorrow evening
22:20.24teepeeyou have some projects to list?
22:21.32Soundteepee: not yet, but I have plenty of ideas so I can prepare a list tomorrow morning (no later than 12 hours from now)
22:21.57teepeecool
22:22.25teepeeit's important to have those structured with some rating for difficulty and such
22:22.59SoundI'll take inspiration from the other CAx lists
22:23.25teepeeyeah, that's the simplest way :)
22:23.34teepeemain page is probably still http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas
22:23.36gcibot[ Google Summer of Code/Project Ideas - BRL-CAD ]
22:23.58SoundI'd like to list both CG and non-CG tasks
22:24.00teepeefor us we reference our github wiki, e.g. https://github.com/openscad/openscad/wiki/Project%3A-Improve-OpenGL-rendering
22:24.00gcibot[ Project: Improve OpenGL rendering · openscad/openscad Wiki · GitHub ]
22:24.47Sounddo I need to prepare the single task pages as well or the list is enough at this stage
22:24.47teepeeas far as I know the specific topic is pretty much free as long as it relates to the project and is actual coding
22:24.49Sound?
22:25.39teepeenot sure, I guess a slightly longer description might be useful
22:25.59Soundokay
22:26.26teepeewe have that for a couple of the bigge tasks
22:26.45teepeesome smaller tasks just point to a simpler list
22:27.35teepeeshould be fine as long as it has 1) description 2) skills 3) difficulty
22:27.43teepeewell, at least it was :)
22:27.51teepeenew gsoc, new rules
22:28.04Soundgood hint - and yes, I'll double check the rules :)
22:28.21teepeeyeah, need to do that myself
22:28.50teepeethey did also change things like the stipend for the students and such stuff which is not yet important
22:29.09teepeeso I suspect the rating rules have changed too
22:29.57Soundhm I see
22:30.06teepeebut all that will come into play if we are actually accepted
22:30.29teepeeprobably again lots of projects trying to join
22:31.50teepeewill LoH help too, I've seen he's helping quite a bit lately?
22:32.34teepeehaving 2 mentor names listed would be a good thing too :)
22:33.55Soundyeah sure, he confirmed he's willing to mentor :)
22:34.00teepeenice
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22:38.48LoH|WorkSound: <-- Lordofhyphens
22:39.04Sound…speak of the devil
22:39.21LoH|WorkWill be slightly distracted as I'm investigating some test failures (for work)
22:39.22Soundhi LoH|Work, teepee and I were just talking about GSoC and you
22:39.30LoH|WorkD:
22:39.53teepeeindeed :)
22:40.10Soundalso waiting until Sean (brlcad) jumps into the conversation
22:40.14LoH|WorkNp
22:41.36teepeeis probably same timezone as Sound so not around for very long anymore ;)
22:41.55LoH|WorkYeah, I'm US-CST timezone
22:41.57SoundLoH|Work: teepee suggested we list 1) description 2) skills 3) difficulty for each task. I can work on a list tomorrow morning
22:42.02LoH|WorkGMT -6:30
22:42.07Soundteepee: aha, I didn't know :)
22:45.45LoH|WorkSound: btw you mind if I merge a couple simple fixes into master?
22:46.04SoundLoH|Work: of course I don't
22:46.27LoH|WorkSound: You'd indicated before you'd prefer to review everything is all :)
22:47.30SoundLoH|Work: you're totally right, but 'simple fixes' sounds fine :)  
22:47.34LoH|WorkI do think we need a better flow heuristic for smaller layer heights, btw
22:48.09LoH|WorkFor UI patches I'll commit merge patches. If something goes awry, makes it easier to revert.
22:48.22teepeeshh :P
22:48.28Soundteepee: sorry :P
22:48.42teepeejust reminds on the actual channel here ;)
22:49.26LoH|Worksomeone tag me when brlcad gets in
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22:50.49LoH|Workalso, brlcad.org is slammed
22:50.51LoH|Workor dead.
22:50.54LoH|Workeither/or
22:51.05teepeeif there's something coming up about gsoc, I'll be around tomorrow, maybe I even remember to join #slic3r when not being home
22:51.17teepeehmm, did work a couple of minutes ago
22:52.06Soundtry to refresh several times, it worked for me after that
22:52.25teepeenews seems to hang for me but that redirects to facebook
22:53.05LoH|Workah, there it went the soc page
22:54.42LoH|WorkFor Slic3r, we could certainly add a format parser to the list of project ideas
22:55.09LoH|WorkI've been meaning to look more closely into 3mf (since it has a GPL reference implementation)
22:55.23teepeeMIT
22:56.08teepeeyeah, having a nice list of projects is certainly a good thing, like brlcad mentioned about 10 looks good
22:56.09LoH|Workteepee: for our purposes, close enough ;)
22:56.23teepeeprobably not all need to be totally fleshed out in extreme detail
22:56.43LoH|Workyeah, I can probably search the most-commented items out of our own tracker and sort a few out
22:57.18teepeeit should be work for like 10 weeks or so
22:58.33LoH|Workteepee: yeah, some of them are relatively involved. Although some of them I'd never want in the codebase ;)
22:59.04SoundLoH|Work: the GUI port from Perl to C++ is also a good candidate, students can learn C++ and wxWidgets without dealing with geometric algorithms
22:59.09teepeehaha, don't propose those I guess :)
22:59.29LoH|WorkSound: Yeah, it's also been something I've been looking at taking for myself with some design docs.
22:59.49teepeeyep, that's probably a good candidate, although from our list of projects this type of task is not very likely to be chosen
23:00.14LoH|WorkBeen trying to work out the design patterns to apply to the menu creation to keep it close to how the perl thing is
23:00.29SoundIn an ideal world, it would be very nice to share some code among those CAx projects. We all reinvented the wheel on many things :)
23:00.43LoH|Workteepee: Rewriting our 3d system to use VBOs and more "modern" OpenGL would also probably suffice
23:01.28Soundteepee: you mean students might not be interested?  (Google doesn't approve the single proposals, right?)
23:01.38teepeeyeah, we have a similar task and even had one gsoc student interrested last year, but it did not happen in the end
23:01.54teepeeno, google is not much involved in the specifics of the project
23:02.21teepeethey do check the project listings but the details are totally up to you judgement
23:02.53teepeeyour*
23:03.48teepeein addition it's also ok if students propose their own projects - but that probably does not happen too often - and if so, it's like 2nd time students
23:05.47SoundI see
23:06.17LoH|WorkMakes some sense, the GSoC is basically a giant RFP
23:06.43LoH|WorkExcept that the people doing the work will be "funding" the grant
23:07.15teepeeyeah, and google is basically running the project and provide the stipends, the actual coding is totally up to the orgs
23:09.54teepeeI guess that works out relatively well as the org selection is strict and the mentors need to put in quite a lot of time, so it would be stupid from org perspective to really do a bad job
23:10.34teepeeso the biggest fear is that new orgs try to cut a piece of cake which is much too big - so there are some rules for that in place
23:11.31teepeeobviously it depends a lot on the student, but the rule of thumb is about 1 hour each day for mentoring
23:14.06LoH|Workhas a relatively low opinion on the productivity of students.
23:14.18LoH|WorkProbably from working with interns/co-ops here at work
23:15.29StragusIt also seems to be quite a time drain for the mentor programmers
23:15.41teepeeone big part of gsoc is also to provide insight how open source projects work
23:16.19LoH|Workteepee: Or don't ^^;
23:16.29teepeeso it's not like a payed intern - so far (which is 3 years with one student each) the motivation was always there
23:16.55LoH|Workteepee: there's motivation and then there's capability.
23:17.29teepeetrue, but that's also one of the hard jobs, selecting a student when participating as org/mentor
23:27.51LoH|Workteepee: yeah very easy to believe there
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