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| 17:08.36 | *** topic/#brlcad is BRL-CAD || http://brlcad.org || logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ || GSoC 2013! http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code |
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| 17:40.57 | rays2pix | Hi I am Deepak and would like to receive feedback on my proposal |
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| 17:44.30 | brlcad | rays2pix: you are next on my list |
| 17:44.57 | rays2pix | brlcad: thanks.Will wait for it |
| 17:45.17 | brlcad | since you didn't specify on the mailing list, would you like it public or private, irc or via e-mail? |
| 17:46.06 | rays2pix | I prefer IRC, but if you dont see me around when you have time, you can send me a public email |
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| 18:29.58 | Ch3ck | Hi everyone... |
| 18:30.14 | brlcad | rays2pix: okay so looking over my notes for your proposal now |
| 18:30.20 | brlcad | Ch3ck: hi |
| 18:30.26 | rays2pix | brlcad:cool |
| 18:30.28 | Ch3ck | hi |
| 18:30.47 | Ch3ck | brlcad: nice being with you all for this summer of code |
| 18:31.01 | brlcad | rays2pix: your level of detail was good, very good |
| 18:31.41 | Ch3ck | just wanted to know what perculiarity sorted me out |
| 18:31.48 | brlcad | rays2pix: it was a technically useful and interesting proposal, you expanded on our idea well enough |
| 18:31.59 | Ch3ck | brlcad: some feedback on how my proposal looked on the panel.. |
| 18:32.16 | brlcad | rays2pix: you were tied for ranking with several other students as well, so it was a close/tough call |
| 18:32.55 | brlcad | Ch3ck: if you hang around, I can hopefully get to yours before jetting off |
| 18:33.12 | Ch3ck | ok thanks brlcad |
| 18:33.28 | Ch3ck | be right here just having a failing network thats all.. |
| 18:33.35 | rays2pix | brlcad: Thanks. I want to know what could be have been better. |
| 18:33.43 | brlcad | rays2pix: getting to that ;) |
| 18:33.55 | rays2pix | listening:! |
| 18:34.43 | brlcad | rays2pix: so first critique was your response to my early feedback |
| 18:35.19 | brlcad | rays2pix: even ignoring that it took you almost week to respond, you didn't seem to address the concerns raised |
| 18:36.27 | brlcad | rays2pix: your proposed schedule is impossible, attempting to do WAY too much in a very short amount of time |
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| 18:37.42 | rays2pix | brlcad: I revised that after your comments. I agree on be being late and not addressing other parts (you mean testing?) |
| 18:37.43 | brlcad | rays2pix: you basicallly proposed integrating a format a day for an entire month, several of which are completely new formats that will be very difficult |
| 18:38.50 | rays2pix | brlcad:mm listening** |
| 18:40.40 | brlcad | rays2pix: you needed a drastic revision, e.g., no new formats or only one or two new formats and no old formats -- as written, you're basically claiming to be able to integrate and refactor/rewrite AND test nearly 200k lines of code in under a month ... that is basically impossible |
| 18:41.41 | rays2pix | brlcad:okay |
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| 18:41.51 | brlcad | rays2pix: it indicated either completely unrealistic expectations or misunderstanding of the complexity involved -- which is fine, that's why feedback was given -- but then you didn't seem to take that feedback into as serious consideration as it called for |
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| 18:44.14 | rays2pix | brlcad:I did go through samples of encoders and decoders of the formats I included - I take in this feedback will try to be realistic in my estimates |
| 18:44.55 | brlcad | rays2pix: your patches could have been better, it seemed like something you pulled together without much effort |
| 18:45.09 | rays2pix | brlcad: Response to feedback - I did modify my schedule and work plan as per your comments. Still didnt understand where you felt it was irresponsible |
| 18:45.38 | rays2pix | brlcad:Patches - I agree, it was just a re-write |
| 18:46.15 | brlcad | rays2pix: rather, you just moved a function and didn't even make the bwfilter tool use your function to demonstrate that it works |
| 18:47.34 | rays2pix | brlcad:ok |
| 18:48.18 | brlcad | rays2pix: patches are expected to be demonstrations of your ability so if the task is predominantly moving/refactoring code, it needs to be complete or improved or somehow requiring effort and though on your part |
| 18:48.34 | brlcad | your patch didn't really demonstrate much at all other than you could move a function from one file to another |
| 18:48.55 | brlcad | super aggressive schedule warranted a super aggressive patch, didn't deliver |
| 18:49.38 | rays2pix | brlcad: :(! Agreed. Will spice up my coding and estimation skills |
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| 18:50.40 | Ch3ck | hi.. |
| 18:50.42 | brlcad | rays2pix: so to your earlier comment, you did modify your schedule, but it was still "crazy" ambitious ... :) |
| 18:51.13 | brlcad | you reduced it from 200k lines to like 100k, but you needed it get it down to something like 10-20k |
| 18:51.26 | brlcad | Ch3ck: you don't need to say hi every time ;) |
| 18:52.14 | rays2pix | brlcad: mm. Looks like I lost my time mostly on collecting details. Next time I will restrict that to what fits in time line |
| 18:52.19 | Ch3ck | aight.. |
| 18:53.23 | brlcad | rays2pix: yeah, like I said earlier too -- we could have worked with that, further reduced the scope even more .. but it was just too little too late and there wasn't code to back up your ability |
| 18:53.53 | brlcad | had you come in the channel a couple weeks earlier or responded more quickly, we might have been able to address the scope problem or you might have had more time to work on a better patch at least |
| 18:54.02 | rays2pix | brlcad: I agree with that. if i had got in to review process a little early, we could have found out this problem |
| 18:54.02 | brlcad | open source is all about communication |
| 18:54.11 | brlcad | early, often, better, more |
| 18:54.59 | rays2pix | brlcad: Sure. Its my mistake. I was checking melange everyday still around 10th, but some how lost on it. My mistake that I failed to turn on email notification as well |
| 18:55.00 | brlcad | you were on the cusp, just too many issues and enough students that didn't have quite as many before all slots were filled up |
| 18:56.37 | brlcad | there's still plenty of opportunity to get involved this year if you're able and interested, gsoc orgs love to see prior participation as a vetting of ability |
| 18:56.58 | brlcad | rays2pix: did you have any specific questions? |
| 18:57.34 | rays2pix | brlcad: thanks Sean for your time.That really helps. I enjoy being around here and would come up with patches. |
| 18:57.59 | brlcad | thank you for your interest, hope you do contribute |
| 18:58.46 | brlcad | I've seen many students get rejected one year only to begin participating with an org and get a solid acceptance the next year ... many times |
| 18:59.44 | rays2pix | brlcad: Sure. Your feedback was very valuable. I treasured the mentoring opportunity more than the cash and I am sure its still available! |
| 19:00.04 | rays2pix | Will find an area to work on and get you guys on mailing list |
| 19:00.10 | brlcad | sounds great |
| 19:00.29 | brlcad | pick something really small ;) |
| 19:00.49 | brlcad | the smaller the better |
| 19:01.34 | rays2pix | huh sure:). Learnt it hard way |
| 19:03.06 | rays2pix | brlcad: Once again thanks for your time and bye for now |
| 19:03.13 | brlcad | rays2pix: you're quite welcome |
| 19:03.18 | brlcad | see you around |
| 19:03.24 | vladbogo | hi all |
| 19:03.38 | brlcad | vladbogo: hi |
| 19:03.55 | vladbogo | first of all i want to say that I am really enthusiastic about working with you all |
| 19:04.07 | brlcad | good :) |
| 19:04.27 | zero_level | vladbogo : same is true for me :) |
| 19:04.41 | vladbogo | brlcad: i would like to ask you to give me some feedback when you have time |
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| 19:09.32 | vladbogo | also i saw on the melange page that my assigned mentor is D. Rossberg. Can you tell me his email address in order to contact him? |
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| 20:11.48 | brlcad | vladbogo: some review feedback for you, overall a very strong proposal (both of them really) |
| 20:12.09 | brlcad | vladbogo: if you end up doing aspects of both over the summer, that really is fine as they're both desireable activities |
| 20:13.06 | brlcad | vladbogo: your first patch looked spot on, your follow-up patches were gravy -- I hope to have them fully reviewed/applied after our upcoming release is out |
| 20:14.52 | brlcad | vladbogo: you had competition for your proposal topic but you did well demonstrating an understanding of the complexity involved in your task and the technical problems to be overcome |
| 20:15.34 | vladbogo | brlcad: thanks for your feedback |
| 20:16.47 | brlcad | vladbogo: I have my doubts that you'll be able to get to any embedded framebuffer aspects, but it's not a bad goal to set in the schedule |
| 20:16.47 | vladbogo | as it comes to patches the last one i can't say that it proves any skills. I've just submitted it following your request on the mailing list |
| 20:17.24 | brlcad | your difficulty will probably be your availability before gsoc begins, to ensure you get all of the preliminary work out of the way (some of which you've already done well with) |
| 20:17.45 | brlcad | vladbogo: being able to address little quick problems like that demonstrates skill |
| 20:17.50 | brlcad | and initiative |
| 20:19.14 | vladbogo | brlcad: that's the most unclear aspect of the project. I hope that all the features will be implemented and i will do my best to do so. |
| 20:20.42 | brlcad | vladbogo: just remember the desirability criteria on http://brlcad.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code/Acceptance#Participation_Requirements ... that last point in particular |
| 20:20.52 | brlcad | you've got a complicated but succinct project |
| 20:21.05 | brlcad | you just want to make sure that it's always "done" every step along the way |
| 20:21.28 | zero_level | brlcad: can i have a feedback regarding the uses of icv library for BRLCAD |
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| 20:22.33 | vladbogo | as it comes to the second patch i tried to do my best to eliminate all the #ifdefs in dm-generic. If you think that my approach it's better then the existing one, the patch has to be fully implemented. |
| 20:22.43 | brlcad | zero_level: maybe later, vladbogo is up next/now |
| 20:22.47 | brlcad | but yes, you cad :) |
| 20:22.51 | brlcad | s/cad/can |
| 20:22.55 | brlcad | jeez, can't type |
| 20:23.12 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.20 | brlcad | vladbogo: yeah, that patch has to be studied more carefully |
| 20:23.25 | brlcad | I took it at face value |
| 20:23.42 | vladbogo | brlcad: thanks for your advice. I plan to test every aspect and then move to the other |
| 20:24.32 | brlcad | that's good, but what coding complete usuallly means is not putting problems off for later |
| 20:24.42 | Guest72124 | Izak:How can I know who my Project mentor is? |
| 20:25.03 | vladbogo | that's what i meant |
| 20:25.07 | ``Erik | izak: you're the heart primitive, right? |
| 20:25.11 | brlcad | vladbogo: like if you figure out how to open up a Qt window, but have trouble figuring out how to minimize/restore the window |
| 20:25.33 | brlcad | vladbogo: coding complete would generally have you spend the time to figure it out before moving on to something else |
| 20:25.40 | vladbogo | got it:) |
| 20:26.06 | Guest72124 | Yes I am |
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| 20:26.30 | brlcad | basically don't leave crumbs/turds that someone else will have to clean up later |
| 20:26.45 | brlcad | even if that someone else is you and later is tomorrow, don't do it ;) |
| 20:27.17 | brlcad | Guest72124: your mentor is everyone with commit access |
| 20:27.20 | ``Erik | izak: I believe I'm the mentor administratively, but technical issues should be discussed in public and whoever is available/capable will step up and help |
| 20:27.55 | brlcad | yeah, and maybe try "/nick Izak" |
| 20:27.57 | Guest72124 | Thank you Erik |
| 20:28.08 | ``Erik | bbiab, half to pick up a lil'un from daycare O.o |
| 20:28.14 | brlcad | cya |
| 20:29.03 | Guest72124 | brlcad What does /nick mean? |
| 20:29.17 | vladbogo | brlcad: just read your mail an the mailing list. Is there a wiki page with all mentor's emails? I can't find D Rossberg's email. |
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| 20:56.27 | brlcad | vladbogo: you shouldn't need to e-mail him directly |
| 20:56.31 | brlcad | didn't you read the e-mail? :) |
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| 20:59.08 | vladbogo | brlcad: it says to send an e-mail back to you and your assigned mentor stating my agreement with the participation requirements |
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| 21:09.04 | zero_level | vladbogo: are u talking of the mail sent on brlcad-devel group |
| 21:09.07 | ``Erik | vladbogo: for the most part, communications should be public... (mailing list or irc) |
| 21:09.51 | zero_level | vladbogo: or you got a personalized mail ? |
| 21:10.09 | vladbogo | zero_level: yes I am talking about the email send on the brlcad-devel-group |
| 21:14.06 | zero_level | vladbogo but i didnt find info to reply back ? |
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| 21:14.40 | vladbogo | `Erik: i know that we should make public communication. That was related to our participation requirements that I understood that we have to send to our assigned mentor |
| 21:15.15 | vladbogo | zero_level: "SEND AN E-MAIL back to me and your assigned mentor stating your agreement with our participation requirements" that's a transcript from the email |
| 21:18.15 | brlcad | right right, my bad for forgetting that detail |
| 21:18.25 | brlcad | i guess I should read it again ;) |
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| 21:20.28 | brlcad | vladbogo: you can just e-mail me and I'll pass it along |
| 21:20.30 | Izak_ | `Erik: You said you are my administrative mentor , right ? |
| 21:20.38 | vladbogo | brlcad: thanks for your help |
| 21:21.16 | vladbogo | also i will be waiting for the patches feedback |
| 21:21.48 | vladbogo | do you think that I should start working on a new patch in order to get commit access? |
| 21:22.55 | ``Erik | Izak_: yes, is there an issue already? :D |
| 21:27.57 | Izak_ | No no. I am good. |
| 21:41.14 | brlcad | vladbogo: your welcome and it can't hurt (patches), maybe revisit your existing ones to make sure they are pristine (run the sh scripts on them) |
| 21:45.11 | vladbogo | brlcad: thanks again. I will start revising the existing ones because i'm really short of time these days. i'm in full exams period (4 more to go :) ) |
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| 21:53.45 | brlcad | vladbogo: then yeah definitely just revisit what you have and make sure your public description is clean |
| 21:54.09 | brlcad | 2-3 patches is plenty IFF they have no problems ;) |
| 21:55.38 | ``Erik | (for those without a lot of formal logic study, 'iff' is code for "if and only if") |
| 22:00.38 | vladbogo | thanks again for your help. I have to go now because it's quite late here. Speak to you soon |
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