| 02:31.05 | brlcad | starseeker: by the time I was that deep into knowing exactly what I needed, it was too late |
| 02:32.20 | brlcad | it's more committing to a story and theme as to how it all fits together, making it all cohesive |
| 02:33.52 | brlcad | your work, the work on pullback, and keiths work all heavily interplay -- but had no language pulling it together |
| 02:34.04 | starseeker | ah. |
| 02:34.11 | kanzure | regarding windows development: is there a continuous integration server somewhere that is testing builds? |
| 02:34.13 | brlcad | lod work is pretty isolated so I just had to talk about some of the benefits and what's next |
| 02:35.01 | brlcad | kanzure: there is, but it's not running at the moment (and needs update since the repo switch earlier in the week) |
| 02:35.14 | starseeker | ah, phooey - I forgot about the lod stuff. I did a little bit on that to try and get long/skinny things to not disappear, although n_reed of course did the heavy lifting |
| 02:35.39 | brlcad | no worries, it was plenty long |
| 02:35.49 | brlcad | maybe write a note and we can include it in next quarter |
| 02:35.54 | starseeker | nods |
| 02:36.38 | brlcad | I was going to write about the heap work, since that really was envisioned to help prep performance, possibly even nurbs prep |
| 02:36.40 | starseeker | indicently, let me know if I just went overboard with storing CAD models on brlcad.org - I remember you saying the new server had more space, but I may have overdone it a bit |
| 02:36.46 | brlcad | but ended up not saying a thing about it |
| 02:37.26 | brlcad | with half a TB, it'll be easy to overlook a hundred GB of data somewhere :) |
| 02:37.49 | brlcad | just gotta self-police to make sure the bytes are worth it |
| 02:37.53 | starseeker | got a little paranoid when the opensourceecology repo suddenly required a log-in - grr |
| 02:37.57 | brlcad | at the moment, we're nowhere near capacity |
| 02:38.18 | kanzure | what opensourceecology repo? |
| 02:38.57 | starseeker | http://openpario.net/attachments/4465/pulverizer122811.zip (and friends) |
| 02:39.01 | kanzure | my largest gripe with marcin and his team is that all of their "hardware" is stored in wiki text format, and very few CAD models. i saw there was a lifetrac tractor in a git repo on github a few days ago, but is this different? |
| 02:39.04 | kanzure | ah okay. |
| 02:39.32 | kanzure | http://openpario.net/projects/pulverizer this? |
| 02:40.00 | starseeker | yeah - throws up a log-in screen now |
| 02:40.04 | kanzure | same here |
| 02:40.26 | starseeker | found some of their other models tucked away in other spots, but apparently that one was never copied out |
| 02:40.28 | kanzure | are there other opensourceecology things available on this site? |
| 02:40.33 | starseeker | used to be |
| 02:40.43 | brlcad | is it just registration, rather still open registration? |
| 02:40.53 | brlcad | might have just done that to stop spam if it's all wikiness |
| 02:40.57 | starseeker | I can't figure out how to get a login |
| 02:41.16 | kanzure | the wikiness i was referring to was from OSE's sites like openfarmtech or whatever |
| 02:41.20 | starseeker | there's no docs (at least, none I've found yet) on how to get one |
| 02:41.48 | starseeker | kanzure: here is what I was able to snarf from other locations: http://brlcad.org/~starseeker/CAD_MODELS/OpenSourceEcology/ |
| 02:42.39 | kanzure | excellent! thank you. |
| 02:42.51 | starseeker | brlcad: total size of the CAD_MODELS folder so far is 1.2 gigs |
| 02:42.55 | kanzure | i had an unfortunate conversation with one of the OSE people the other day where they admitted basically "yeah, we don't believe in CAD or have schematics for most of our equipment" |
| 02:43.05 | starseeker | guess that's not too bad in the new setup :-) |
| 02:43.07 | kanzure | OSE is so wonderful in theory, but in practice they don't seem to believe in computers. |
| 02:43.16 | starseeker | heh |
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| 02:43.55 | kanzure | starseeker: also there is https://github.com/Amakaruk/OSELifeTrac |
| 02:44.10 | starseeker | managed to snarf all of the Elphel STEP files - nice little set of test cases: http://brlcad.org/~starseeker/CAD_MODELS/Elphel_overview.jpg |
| 02:45.35 | starseeker | true open source CAD models are still pretty thin on the ground - most folks seem to prefer going with sites like GrabCAD |
| 02:48.53 | starseeker | and so far we seem to have been the only project to save the VIA OpenBook files after the original project went dark |
| 02:50.45 | kanzure | starseeker: i wanted to make a repository of these files with a simple package manager, and dependencies and other so on. but i could never quite figure everything out, or figure out the smallest tools to start working on. |
| 02:51.02 | kanzure | starseeker: http://gnusha.org/skdb/package_spec.html http://gnusha.org/skdb/ https://github.com/kanzure/skdb |
| 03:04.41 | starseeker | ah, I remember you saying something about that |
| 03:04.44 | starseeker | yeah, that's tricky |
| 03:10.36 | kanzure | biggest problem was figuring out specifications and finding people capable of reasoning about design issues in package managers.. or what the scope is supposed to be. |
| 03:39.31 | brlcad | starseeker: meh, keep an eye when / how fast it crosses 5GB |
| 03:40.24 | brlcad | I just downloaded three models yesterday that were substantially bigger than that |
| 03:40.31 | Iordanis | was the date of the GSOC intentionally set at the same time as my final exams? :P |
| 03:40.54 | brlcad | Iordanis: yes |
| 03:41.11 | Iordanis | brlcad thats mean... but why? |
| 03:41.37 | brlcad | Iordanis: better to submit an empty propsal, then start updaing as you have time |
| 03:41.42 | brlcad | just so you don't miss the deadline |
| 03:42.04 | Iordanis | ah I wanted to apply for GSOC 3 months back |
| 03:42.15 | Iordanis | but not enough material was there for me to do anything |
| 03:42.23 | Iordanis | now I can't do anything because my school is my first priority |
| 03:42.25 | brlcad | Iordanis: it's a huge program, thousands of students all over the world. it inevitably cannot work best for everyone |
| 03:42.57 | Iordanis | I understand but end of semester means exams for everyone that attends any kind of instituition. |
| 03:43.44 | brlcad | sure |
| 03:44.42 | brlcad | and shift it one week and another country somewhere else gets screwed |
| 03:44.56 | Iordanis | lol maybe ur right |
| 03:45.01 | brlcad | think of it as a lesson in multitasking and time management skills ;) |
| 03:45.31 | Iordanis | I will try my best to submit a good purposal and hopefully it will be good enough to chose me over any other grad or Pdh student |
| 03:46.02 | Iordanis | I feel like undergraduates don't get accepted at all in this program. Are there special spots for them? I bet you would go for the most experienced students |
| 03:46.32 | brlcad | level of education is rather unimportant |
| 03:47.05 | brlcad | I've participated in gsoc for nearly 8 years and that's never been the case |
| 03:47.44 | brlcad | some grads work on bigger projects that make headlines, but they're definitely in the minority |
| 03:47.59 | Iordanis | I agree with you but the ideas list that you uploaded on the ideas list are so challenging |
| 03:48.11 | Iordanis | I can not imagine any of my peers having experience in such areas |
| 03:48.20 | brlcad | they're just ideas |
| 03:48.27 | brlcad | we could have put up 1000 more |
| 03:48.33 | brlcad | it's just each idea takes an hour or more |
| 03:48.45 | brlcad | so we put up the ones we care about most and hope for a bite |
| 03:48.53 | Iordanis | I see |
| 03:49.00 | brlcad | when in reality, any of the 1000+ projects are interesting and worthwhile |
| 03:49.40 | Iordanis | I am going for the web-development anyhow which I am quite experienced at, but I suppose experience matters when it comes to picking? |
| 03:49.59 | brlcad | passion and plan matter the most |
| 03:50.11 | brlcad | rather communication most, then those two |
| 03:50.14 | brlcad | then experience |
| 03:50.27 | Iordanis | I understand you now, it makes so much more sense |
| 03:50.33 | brlcad | we've accepted a number of pure newbies over the years |
| 03:51.32 | Iordanis | That is really good |
| 03:51.43 | Iordanis | and motivating |
| 03:52.06 | Iordanis | thanks I will probably submit over the weekend and try get some feedback |
| 03:53.15 | brlcad | can't wait to see it |
| 03:53.21 | brlcad | just don't be shy with detail and research |
| 03:53.25 | brlcad | you cannot have too much |
| 03:53.39 | brlcad | and communicate (like this, here or mailing list) |
| 03:53.50 | brlcad | the work on a top-notch patch |
| 03:53.55 | brlcad | s/the/then/ |
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| 06:59.13 | jasleen | brlcad: Is this project already started? or need to start from scratch? |
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| 15:01.52 | Izak | Hey there |
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| 15:19.18 | Izak_ | HHHHHmmmmmm |
| 15:19.28 | Izak_ | Ch3ck: Are u there? |
| 15:19.45 | Izak_ | brlcad : Are u there? |
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| 15:28.20 | caen23 | ~ask |
| 15:28.20 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 15:38.24 | Izak_ | ibot:I need information on how to implement a BRLCAD primitive . |
| 15:38.25 | ibot | You need information on how to implement a BRLCAD primitive? |
| 15:38.44 | Izak_ | Yes a heart surface |
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| 15:42.26 | caen23 | that message was letting you know that you should not ask if someone is here, you should simply ask your question and stick around until somebody replies |
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| 15:47.54 | Izak_ | ibot: Are u there? |
| 16:02.12 | ``Erik | ibot is a piece of software... ask the actual question already |
| 16:15.52 | Izak_ | How is a primitive implemented at a high level ? |
| 16:18.46 | Izak_ | ``Erik: I already have the necessary mathematical equations |
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| 16:26.46 | Ch3ck | Hey guys |
| 16:27.05 | Izak_ | How far? |
| 16:30.45 | Ch3ck | i'm there what up? |
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| 16:31.50 | Guest23575 | Ch3ck: How far with the code patch? |
| 16:32.21 | Ch3ck | i've already submitted it on sourceforge |
| 16:32.31 | Ch3ck | so awaiting review |
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| 16:32.57 | Izak_ | Ch3ck_: Are u there ? |
| 16:32.59 | Izak_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.12 | Ch3ck | yup |
| 16:33.27 | Izak_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.06 | Ch3ck | ok |
| 16:34.14 | Ch3ck | ive you seen the private msg i have sent to u? |
| 16:35.17 | Izak_ | yes |
| 16:35.27 | Izak_ | Have u seen mine |
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| 16:41.19 | Ch3ck | yup.. |
| 16:56.05 | brlcad | primitives are implemented as a set of callback functions |
| 16:56.14 | brlcad | that's the "high level" |
| 16:56.32 | brlcad | Ch3ck: saw the patch, they take a lot more time to review so it'll be a little while |
| 16:57.13 | brlcad | I usually assume they work perfect and apply cleanly and have no issues ... until I see otherwise :) |
| 16:57.14 | Ch3ck | ok |
| 16:57.27 | brlcad | make sure you read HACKING if you have not already |
| 16:57.33 | brlcad | pedants on conformant style |
| 16:57.38 | Ch3ck | yeah |
| 16:57.39 | Ch3ck | read it.. |
| 16:57.47 | Ch3ck | the patch just demonstrated a routine |
| 16:57.59 | Ch3ck | i'll apply in developing the pull function |
| 16:58.11 | Ch3ck | to determine the inverse of any geometric transformation |
| 16:58.35 | Ch3ck | However here is the link to my proposal on the wiki pages |
| 16:59.14 | Ch3ck | http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:NyahCh3ck20/Proposal |
| 16:59.21 | Ch3ck | waiting for ur comments |
| 16:59.26 | Ch3ck | and suggestions |
| 17:20.58 | Ch3ck | brlcad: u der? |
| 17:28.31 | brlcad | Ch3ck: i'm in and out all day |
| 17:28.48 | brlcad | pull function proposal we already talked about, right? |
| 17:28.59 | brlcad | on the mailing list I recall |
| 17:29.04 | brlcad | and a little here even |
| 17:29.13 | Ch3ck | yes |
| 17:29.32 | Ch3ck | i have just posted my proposal on the wiki pages |
| 17:29.35 | Ch3ck | my link is above |
| 17:29.46 | Ch3ck | just wanted to know what ure thoughts were on my proposal. |
| 17:29.50 | Ch3ck | http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:NyahCh3ck20/Proposal |
| 17:29.51 | brlcad | should itemize the "other pull subroutines" |
| 17:30.01 | brlcad | Ch3ck: yes, I saw it :) |
| 17:30.06 | Ch3ck | ok |
| 17:30.10 | brlcad | i was referring to feedback |
| 17:30.44 | Ch3ck | should i be more explicit on the other pull subroutines.. |
| 17:30.45 | Ch3ck | ? |
| 17:30.49 | brlcad | overall, it looks perfectly sufficient for now if you intend to submit any other proposals |
| 17:31.53 | brlcad | if not, I'd suggest a few tweaks like expanding/thinking a little more on your aug-sep timeframe and trying to get a little more specific / realistic on progress |
| 17:32.05 | brlcad | I like that you have testing spread throughout |
| 17:32.42 | Ch3ck | yes |
| 17:32.45 | Ch3ck | ok thanks |
| 17:32.47 | brlcad | would be good to talk about how you intend to stay on schedule if your school obligations are greater than expected |
| 17:33.05 | Ch3ck | will work on the proposal time frame. |
| 17:33.52 | Ch3ck | and the deliverables |
| 17:34.07 | brlcad | since you are a freshman, you might want to talk a little bit more about your background or work on yet another patch (or improve the one you made even further) |
| 17:34.17 | Ch3ck | ok |
| 17:34.26 | brlcad | something that demonstrates you can *read* code and modify it is more important/useful than writing new code |
| 17:34.40 | brlcad | just about anyone can write code |
| 17:35.07 | brlcad | it's a lot harder to read someone else and overcome the urge to rewrite it, while still making improvements to make it better overall |
| 17:35.16 | Ch3ck | ok |
| 17:35.26 | Ch3ck | i work on that in my proposal |
| 17:35.28 | Ch3ck | thanks.. |
| 17:35.34 | brlcad | sure |
| 17:35.37 | Ch3ck | I was initially studying biochem |
| 17:35.45 | Ch3ck | before i dropped out coded a year |
| 17:35.59 | brlcad | yeah, the two 4-week blocks, those are a "red-flag" usually .. a month is a lot of time to get lost :) |
| 17:36.04 | Ch3ck | before coming back to college to pursue my dream in computer science.. |
| 17:36.11 | brlcad | that's great |
| 17:36.36 | Ch3ck | should i include that too in my application? |
| 17:36.43 | brlcad | not necessary |
| 17:37.07 | brlcad | if you want, but having a dream in computer science can mean so many things or nothing at all ;) |
| 17:37.16 | Ch3ck | ok |
| 17:37.26 | brlcad | I was in college for almost three years before officially signing up for computer science |
| 17:37.34 | brlcad | yet Iwas writing code |
| 17:37.35 | Ch3ck | yeah i understand.. |
| 17:37.46 | brlcad | I've been reading/writing code since I was single-digits |
| 17:37.53 | Ch3ck | wow |
| 17:38.17 | Ch3ck | i heard of coding at age 17 and started 2 years ago. full time. |
| 17:38.40 | Ch3ck | so i'll include my works on past projects in my background right? |
| 17:39.08 | brlcad | took intro C my first semester, absolutely loathed the guy instructing (he didn't care what he was doing at all) .. didn't take another class for two years (but then absolutely loved it) |
| 17:39.35 | brlcad | so then I hung around for several more years having tons of fun coding day and night nearly ever since |
| 17:39.47 | brlcad | that's pretty impressive for starting when you have |
| 17:40.26 | Ch3ck | wow |
| 17:40.29 | Ch3ck | thats great |
| 17:40.50 | brlcad | so you might want to talk about what you've done coding (that we might care about), you know just a couple sentences to say you wrote a 10k lines of web interface code that talks to a java backend that pulls data from mysql yadayada whatever |
| 17:41.07 | Ch3ck | lol |
| 17:41.11 | Ch3ck | yeah |
| 17:41.13 | Ch3ck | i get it.. |
| 17:41.19 | brlcad | gotta run, ttyl! |
| 17:41.25 | Ch3ck | thanks.. |
| 17:41.29 | brlcad | sure np |
| 17:41.35 | Ch3ck | brlcad: was nice talking to u |
| 17:41.41 | Ch3ck | thanks again for the feedback |
| 17:41.44 | brlcad | (hence the importance of staying on irc) ;) |
| 17:41.51 | Ch3ck | yeah.. |
| 17:41.52 | brlcad | likewise, I'll be around more |
| 17:41.57 | Ch3ck | ok |
| 17:42.01 | brlcad | it's just a very very busy saturday :) |
| 17:42.05 | Ch3ck | i'll do the modifications and let you know.. |
| 17:42.08 | Ch3ck | yeah.. |
| 17:42.09 | brlcad | sure |
| 17:42.13 | Ch3ck | here to. |
| 17:42.18 | brlcad | I get notifications |
| 17:42.22 | Ch3ck | ok |
| 17:42.28 | Ch3ck | gotta go work on them.. |
| 17:42.29 | Ch3ck | bye |
| 17:42.46 | Ch3ck | you should see them by monday. |
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| 20:40.00 | Iordanis | At what extend we are expected to do a background research on a propsal? |
| 20:40.44 | Iordanis | I have things figured out in my head but I haven't done any detailed research due to a really heavy schedule. Do I still have chances? |
| 20:42.50 | ``Erik | a chance, sure... we use the proposals combined with patches, channel interaction and the mailing list to try to gauge each candidates competency, desire, etc... the mentors are (mostly) old programmers, so we're very familiar with the unknown unknowns aspect and risk involved... |
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| 20:57.52 | Iordanis | ``Erik, how can I submit a proposal to get feedback? |
| 20:58.02 | Iordanis | If I submit it on google it is final and I can't change it? |
| 21:03.10 | harmanpreet | Iordanis: No it will not be final. You can edit it even after submission but only before 3 May. |
| 21:03.42 | Iordanis | Can I get feedback on a proposal submited on GSOC website? |
| 21:03.50 | Iordanis | or whould I have to email it on the mailing list |
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| 22:26.32 | ``Erik | Iordanis: I'd recommend uploading it to the GSoC page, then asking for comment on the mailing list and here |
