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| 04:48.08 | rays2pix | Hi All..This is Deepak. Planning to take up code refactoring projects for gsoc |
| 04:56.52 | gdh | rays2pix, don't worry if the developers are not answering |
| 04:57.02 | gdh | sometimes, they are away for awhile |
| 04:57.10 | gdh | (and I'm not a developer, sorry) |
| 04:58.24 | rays2pix | gdh: thanks anyways hi ! |
| 04:59.03 | gdh | it's funny, I thought the refactoring projects wouldn't be popular, but they are |
| 05:00.19 | rays2pix | gdh: I want to first come up with a working proposal for image processing., I would like to try my hand at "Density functions" idea too |
| 05:00.29 | gdh | good idea |
| 05:00.30 | rays2pix | gdh: refactoring - teaches you a lot:)! |
| 05:00.38 | gdh | that's what I was thinking |
| 05:01.05 | rays2pix | gdh: may I know how are you associated with brlcad..user or beginner like me? |
| 05:01.14 | gdh | beginner |
| 05:01.22 | gdh | I was looking into doing GSoC |
| 05:01.36 | rays2pix | gdh: thats nice!which one have you picked up? |
| 05:02.17 | gdh | well, I haven't picked one up for sure, but code reduction and the Archer API are both possible |
| 05:02.35 | gdh | It all depends on what project I can possibly get |
| 05:09.19 | rays2pix | gdh: Good luck |
| 05:09.26 | gdh | thanks |
| 05:10.38 | rays2pix | gdh: are you running brlcad ? |
| 05:10.53 | gdh | do you mean have I compiled it? |
| 05:10.54 | gdh | yes |
| 05:10.59 | gdh | at the moment, no |
| 05:14.42 | rays2pix | gdh: okay. I compiled it from source ball,there seems to be some more recent changes.So heading to SVN |
| 05:15.38 | gdh | sometimes, there's a Notify bot on this channel that lets us know when there was a new commit |
| 05:49.48 | brlcad | note that it's night for many of the devs, so some responses might not come for 7-8 hours |
| 05:55.18 | rays2pix | brlcad:its okay ..Will check back and also will slowly learn about the time lines ! |
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| 06:42.35 | akdroid | hello |
| 06:42.48 | akdroid | my name is Akhil |
| 06:43.42 | akdroid | I'm interested in the networking project LIBPKG extensions |
| 06:43.51 | akdroid | for GSoC |
| 06:44.32 | akdroid | What should I read up on for the same ? |
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| 13:32.48 | celeschus | Hi! I'm Celeste, a systems engineering student from Argentina. I'm interested in your project for GSoC. I have some questions. |
| 13:34.03 | gdh | celeschus, don't worry if the developers aren't answering |
| 13:34.14 | gdh | sometimes they are away from their computers |
| 13:34.19 | gdh | but they will answer |
| 13:34.33 | gdh | I'm a hopeful GSoC student like yourself |
| 13:34.49 | celeschus | where are you from? |
| 13:35.04 | gdh | Idaho, USA |
| 13:35.06 | celeschus | This program is amazing, there are so many interesting projects to work with |
| 13:35.15 | gdh | yes, it is |
| 13:36.08 | celeschus | First, I would like to ask If the application it's for one task in particular or you can express interest in more than one |
| 13:36.11 | ``Erik | celeschus: ask the questions, then just hang out and wait for someone to answer them :) |
| 13:37.18 | ``Erik | you can do several applications, and several people can apply for a task... |
| 13:37.36 | celeschus | Erik, i'm interested in one task that you mentor, Astronomical Units |
| 13:37.48 | celeschus | Sorry for my english |
| 13:37.51 | celeschus | =) |
| 13:37.52 | ``Erik | cool, big stuff is neat |
| 13:37.57 | ``Erik | english seems great so far |
| 13:40.20 | celeschus | If I apply for that task, what do you suggest me to do before that? In every site of the participating organizations talks about "preparing you appplication with mentors" |
| 13:49.47 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code has a checklist you should go over |
| 13:53.27 | celeschus | Yes I saw it but i was wondering if there is something else to do |
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| 14:18.38 | celeschus | I mean if I can install something on my laptop or something like that |
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| 14:19.28 | gdh | celeschus, the main thing is to compile it and perhaps submit a patch or two |
| 14:19.42 | gdh | ``Erik, correct me if I'm wrong |
| 14:24.05 | ``Erik | you are correct, we like to see proof that you can work with subversion, compile, follow the style guidelines in the HACKING file, have competency in the programming language you intend to use, etc |
| 14:26.10 | ``Erik | otherwise, we have to try to guess at the applicants competence when grading the applications |
| 14:31.31 | celeschus | thanks! |
| 14:33.20 | ``Erik | np, good luck on getting a trunk checkout compiled and running (once it's build, you can do "make test", "make benchmark" and "make regress" to verify everything worked, as well as the make install to get it into place) |
| 14:38.38 | celeschus | Ok =) i'll come back in these days |
| 14:38.52 | celeschus | *this |
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| 16:45.15 | filipt | hi |
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| 18:02.21 | Ch3ck | Hi there |
| 18:02.24 | Ch3ck | I am Nyah Check |
| 18:02.49 | Ch3ck | a student from the department of computer Engineering from the University of Buea. and a good C programmer |
| 18:03.04 | Ch3ck | i wish to work on the Code refactoring projects this summer |
| 18:03.25 | Ch3ck | i just wish to know what is required to in order to write a proposal |
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| 18:22.58 | brlcad | hi Ch3ck |
| 18:23.49 | Ch3ck | Hi |
| 18:24.03 | Ch3ck | I am an engineering Student from Cameroon |
| 18:24.08 | brlcad | what is required is to figure out what you'd like to refactor |
| 18:24.18 | Ch3ck | ok |
| 18:24.38 | Ch3ck | so what skill level of C programming is required.. for work on the projects |
| 18:24.41 | brlcad | the more specific you can be, the better |
| 18:24.54 | brlcad | especially if you can tie the refactoring to some tangible gain |
| 18:25.13 | brlcad | any skill level is acceptable, it's more about passion and intent |
| 18:25.25 | brlcad | propoerly scoping and planning a project |
| 18:25.45 | Ch3ck | ok |
| 18:25.50 | brlcad | being easy to talk to and work with, independent in solving problems but not to a fault |
| 18:26.00 | Ch3ck | so how do i get access to some of the projects so i can determine what to do.. |
| 18:26.29 | brlcad | i'm not sure what your question means |
| 18:26.48 | brlcad | you don't get access to any projects, you propose the project |
| 18:27.12 | Ch3ck | ok |
| 18:27.12 | brlcad | you have access to our source code already |
| 18:27.26 | Ch3ck | ok |
| 18:27.36 | Ch3ck | yeah thats what i am talking about .. |
| 18:27.44 | Ch3ck | how do i get the source code |
| 18:27.52 | Ch3ck | so i can figure out what to contribute |
| 18:27.58 | Ch3ck | on my proposal.. |
| 18:28.20 | brlcad | you should be able to figure that out... |
| 18:28.35 | brlcad | if you wan't find our source code, that's a big warning sign :) |
| 18:28.50 | brlcad | s/wan't/can't/ |
| 18:30.17 | brlcad | find it yet? |
| 18:31.23 | Ch3ck | yeah ... |
| 18:31.28 | Ch3ck | seen it |
| 18:31.28 | Ch3ck | thanks |
| 18:31.41 | brlcad | you'll want to use our latest subversion sources from a checkout |
| 18:31.50 | brlcad | do you know where *that* is? |
| 18:33.32 | Ch3ck | no |
| 18:33.36 | Ch3ck | Sir. |
| 18:33.48 | brlcad | ~cadsvn |
| 18:33.49 | ibot | To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 18:34.22 | ``Erik | Ch3ck: take a few moments to read through the webpage in the topic, particularly the checklist link |
| 18:34.52 | Ch3ck | ok |
| 18:34.56 | Ch3ck | thanks.. |
| 18:56.33 | Ch3ck | So brlcad is the company that produces CAD?? |
| 18:56.58 | Ch3ck | wow i'll be so glad to work on a project with you this Summer.. |
| 19:01.09 | brlcad | BRL-CAD is an open source community |
| 19:01.46 | brlcad | we focus on implementing and improving our CAD software |
| 19:01.58 | Ch3ck | yeah i will be glad to work with you this summer |
| 19:02.20 | brlcad | open source participation is entirely voluntary, though many have day jobs that support their participation |
| 19:02.27 | Ch3ck | My other buddies use CAD for their designs |
| 19:02.36 | brlcad | well, hopefully you can write an excellent proposal ;) |
| 19:03.18 | brlcad | just be sure to keep communicating and start exploring the code, find something to work on, make a useful patch or three so we get a sense of your abilities, etc |
| 19:03.44 | Ch3ck | ok thanks |
| 19:03.51 | Ch3ck | i'll start working on it.. |
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| 19:05.36 | ncsaba | Hi there |
| 19:06.00 | Ch3ck | Hi |
| 19:06.22 | brlcad | howdy ncsaba |
| 19:06.27 | brlcad | how's the calculations coming? |
| 19:06.33 | ncsaba | volume is ready :-) |
| 19:06.39 | brlcad | really? |
| 19:06.41 | ncsaba | surface is real tricky |
| 19:07.02 | ncsaba | I will give you a test pipe, tell me what's it's surface ;-) |
| 19:07.15 | brlcad | ok |
| 19:07.24 | ncsaba | db put tp5.s pipe V0 { 0 0 -4 } O0 2 I0 1.5 R0 4 V1 { 0 -4 -4 } O1 0.5 I1 0 R1 4 V2 { 0 -4 4 } O2 2 I2 1.5 R2 4 V3 { 0 4 4 } O3 2 I3 1.5 R3 4 V4 { 0 4 -4 } O4 2 I4 1.5 R4 4 V5 { 0 0 -4 } O5 2 I5 1.5 R5 4 |
| 19:07.59 | ncsaba | turn it with the thin part pointing to you, and ray-trace... |
| 19:10.52 | ncsaba | the problem is basically that pipes as they are currently implemented can have either disconnected parts (as in this example), or segments which are partially connected (with some jumps in the pipe diameter) |
| 19:12.28 | ncsaba | some of that is not visible if you ray-trace it - but I like to have things done right, so it will need more work... |
| 19:13.12 | ncsaba | the volume is actually easy, I just calculate it for each segment and sum it up |
| 19:13.34 | ncsaba | verified with gqa, it seems to work OK... |
| 19:14.04 | brlcad | hah, that's really cool |
| 19:14.19 | brlcad | i bet there's a way to break some assumptions |
| 19:14.23 | ncsaba | but for surface the segments can have connected parts, where the surface should not be counting |
| 19:15.11 | ncsaba | what is cool ? (sorry I talk a lot and then I don't know what you answered :-) ) |
| 19:15.55 | brlcad | sorry, I'm still on the db put line |
| 19:15.59 | ncsaba | ah ok |
| 19:16.08 | ncsaba | so you like that pipe ? :-) |
| 19:16.08 | brlcad | just thinking about a pipe that spirals into itself |
| 19:16.24 | ncsaba | that could work too :-) |
| 19:16.27 | brlcad | I don't think that's a case that has been considered |
| 19:16.43 | brlcad | might even work they way it processes segments at a time, but dunno |
| 19:16.58 | ncsaba | well I'm not after total perfection, but the main cases should work correctly... |
| 19:18.03 | ncsaba | in any case, I think it is possible to have an algorithm which calculates the surface correctly for most cases |
| 19:18.22 | ncsaba | just needs more work than simply adding up the individual surfaces :-) |
| 19:18.48 | brlcad | well, so SA is similar ... |
| 19:18.55 | brlcad | you're still just summing up the segments |
| 19:19.12 | brlcad | it's just that you have to be aware of your previous and next segments to get the ends right |
| 19:19.20 | ncsaba | yes |
| 19:19.27 | brlcad | so you ignore the end-cap segments for starters |
| 19:19.40 | ncsaba | but what about first and last segments touching each other ? |
| 19:19.47 | brlcad | then it really is just an iteration over each segment, sum the interior and exterior surface |
| 19:20.04 | ncsaba | you can create a perfect torus with pipe |
| 19:20.17 | ncsaba | and no, that#s not enough |
| 19:20.27 | brlcad | how so? |
| 19:21.10 | brlcad | by end-cap segments, I mean all those perpendicular surfaces |
| 19:21.15 | brlcad | not just the first and last |
| 19:21.31 | ncsaba | db put tp2.s pipe V0 { 0 -6 0 } O0 2 I0 0 R0 4 V1 { 0 -4 4 } O1 1 I1 0 R1 4 V2 { 0 4 4 } O2 2 I2 0 R2 4 V3 { 0 4 12 } O3 1 I3 0 R3 4 V4 { 0 10 12 } O4 2 I4 0 R4 4 |
| 19:21.40 | ncsaba | ah ok |
| 19:22.07 | ncsaba | see the jump in this pipe (ray-traced is visible) |
| 19:22.25 | brlcad | sure |
| 19:22.39 | ncsaba | that jump has a lateral surface which depends on the touching inner/outer diameters of both ends |
| 19:23.14 | brlcad | yeah, so but ignoring those surfaces I trust you see how the rest is just a summation of cylinders |
| 19:23.38 | brlcad | (mathematical cylinders, not geometric) |
| 19:24.29 | brlcad | so the only hard part is what you identified, calculating the various ellipsoidal areas |
| 19:24.30 | ncsaba | yes, that I have ready |
| 19:24.38 | ncsaba | that's the easy part |
| 19:24.40 | brlcad | er, ellipse areas |
| 19:24.58 | ncsaba | they are truncated cones and torus segments |
| 19:25.14 | brlcad | right |
| 19:25.30 | ncsaba | that part is done |
| 19:26.09 | brlcad | so then you just need a lil book-keeping to add up any remaining ellipse areas |
| 19:26.35 | ncsaba | BTW, there is a bug in the bounding box calculation, the min and max are not initialized to +-infinity - I will provide a patch for that too |
| 19:26.35 | brlcad | four cases I think |
| 19:27.56 | brlcad | prev to next is solid to solid, solid to hollow, hollow to solid, hollow to hollow, oh and null to solid, null to hollow, hollow to null, and solid to null |
| 19:28.16 | ncsaba | well basically I only need to know the previous/next inner/outer diameters, it really doesn't matter if it was hollow, bent, etc. |
| 19:28.36 | ncsaba | and must check if the first and last point are the same |
| 19:31.10 | ncsaba | for the centroid I guess I will need to sum the individual centroids weighted by volume ? |
| 19:31.28 | brlcad | nowing inner/outer and handling them case-wise is going to be paramount to handling the 8 cases I mentioned |
| 19:32.02 | brlcad | "hollow" was just a shorthand for non-zero inner |
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| 19:32.45 | ncsaba | the inner/outer diameters are known for each segment end, and the only thing to figure out is how much of that overlaps |
| 19:33.05 | ncsaba | non-overlapping is added, the rest ignored |
| 19:33.31 | brlcad | pretty sure you're saying the exact same thing |
| 19:33.42 | ncsaba | ok :-) |
| 19:34.28 | ncsaba | should I upload new patches as soon as I have something, or better in one go for all 3 methods ? |
| 19:34.41 | ncsaba | right now I would have the volume done |
| 19:35.00 | ncsaba | but it depends on the former refactoring patch of course... |
| 19:35.17 | brlcad | I just broke it down into cases that would result (which could be processed as such with a switch/ifthenelse) or find some general solution (but I'm pretty sure that'll be a variation on ifthenelse ultimately) |
| 19:35.38 | brlcad | new patches are good |
| 19:35.55 | brlcad | just way whether they apply independently or should be applied in order |
| 19:36.27 | ncsaba | yes, if then else - but I prefer to have the ifs depend on inner/outer diameter only, not other knowledge about the segment (bent, hollow, null, etc) |
| 19:37.01 | ncsaba | so I can have the initial/end segments be processed the same as the rest |
| 19:37.41 | ncsaba | ok, I have to go now - will upload patches as soon as I have some ready |
| 19:37.56 | brlcad | the 8 have no other knowledge, that's just the possible ways the ellipse/torus ends will combine |
| 19:37.57 | ncsaba | thanks for the talk ! |
| 19:38.04 | ncsaba | see you :-) |
| 19:38.09 | brlcad | cya :) |
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| 23:01.14 | brlcad | starseeker: when was the zclipping bug introduced? ... |
| 23:05.31 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 55127 brlcad/trunk/NEWS: Bob fixed a z-clipping bug introduced a while ago, related to changes made for more elaborate clipping support in Archer. Fixed in commit r55119. (aiming to consistently lowercase mged (and other tools) in bullets and uppercase them in the prose write-ups.) |
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| 23:11.15 | brlcad | (if it was introduced within the last 9-months, it might not be user-visible) |
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| 23:32.49 | brlcad | hello nestor_souler |
| 23:35.01 | nestor_souler | hi :) |
| 23:36.08 | nestor_souler | i've been reading about ur proposals for soc13 |
| 23:36.17 | nestor_souler | might stick here for a while :p |