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| 02:01.20 | ``Erik | anyone have a reading of the c/tcl tcl/c cross-call cost? |
| 02:01.43 | ``Erik | <-- pondering having adrt call into tcl for hit func |
| 02:02.04 | ``Erik | is that gonna be 1/1000 fps or 1/10000000 fps? |
| 02:06.22 | Nohla | holas |
| 02:06.46 | ``Erik | salut, jesica |
| 02:07.30 | ``Erik | konbonwa desu ka? |
| 02:07.35 | Nohla | a lot of time without a word, doesnt it? |
| 02:07.53 | ``Erik | hrm? |
| 02:08.09 | ``Erik | oh, yes, the channel has been fairly dead today |
| 02:08.36 | Nohla | was talking about myself :) |
| 02:08.41 | ``Erik | ahhhh |
| 02:08.43 | ``Erik | yes :) |
| 02:09.25 | ``Erik | are you still interested in translations, or have you moved on from that? |
| 02:14.55 | ``Erik | too upsetting of a subject, I see O.o :D |
| 02:17.22 | Nohla | ``Erik i'm still in |
| 02:17.56 | Nohla | I've sent a message to sean for that |
| 02:18.26 | Nohla | looking for the best way of working |
| 02:20.15 | ``Erik | sean may be overworked at times, starseeker and I may be able to aid on occasion |
| 02:21.49 | ``Erik | I believe he indicated he had several hundred unread emails during lunch |
| 02:25.52 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.23 | starseeker | brlcad: Would m4 macros with a GPL license and an exception clause for scripts generated as a result of using the macros be workable in BRL-CAD? |
| 02:46.34 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.14 | starseeker | owowow |
| 02:53.30 | ``Erik | so I'll have new scratches to show off next weekend heh |
| 02:53.41 | starseeker | winces |
| 02:53.49 | starseeker | next week you mean? |
| 02:53.55 | Nohla | ``Erik he can understand spanish :) And I was not in the mood that days |
| 02:53.58 | ``Erik | aint' the sharpest crayon in the box |
| 02:53.59 | ``Erik | sure |
| 02:55.15 | starseeker | ``Erik: sounds like the GPL was a conscious choice for the ax macros - the author figures the exception clause allows it to be used in LGPL projects (his own OpenVRML is LGPL) |
| 02:55.20 | ``Erik | brlcad is the one who is colloquial in spanish, yes, but you speak very good english and others may provide useful aid when 'the boy' is unavailable, sa'll I'm sayin' |
| 02:55.47 | starseeker | since we would need to bundle 'em though... |
| 02:55.58 | starseeker | plus trying to keep a wall between our m4 code and his |
| 02:56.09 | Nohla | ``Erik jajaja I was not in the mood to write in English |
| 02:56.10 | ``Erik | upstream on the other one may be very willing to accept bsd license updates |
| 02:56.34 | Nohla | It's not so easy for me as you think |
| 02:56.35 | starseeker | you mean yours? ;-) |
| 02:56.45 | ``Erik | yes, starseeker, I mean mine :D *duck* |
| 02:57.05 | starseeker | heh - didn't know if you found another 3rd party project or not |
| 02:57.14 | starseeker | the internet is vast |
| 02:57.36 | starseeker | (fortunately, so is the reach of Google's search bots) |
| 02:57.55 | Nohla | starseeker hello o/ |
| 02:57.57 | ``Erik | nohla: ok, I'm impressed with your ability to express yourself in english, and if there's a glitch, I'd be willing to use the translation tools and try to figure out what's meant if you're trying to understand *shrug* |
| 02:58.06 | starseeker | Nohla: howdy :-) |
| 02:58.24 | starseeker | Nohla: can you send me any translations not already included in the tree? |
| 02:58.29 | Nohla | ``Erik see this url: https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/lessons/es/ |
| 02:58.48 | Nohla | I'll look for them... |
| 02:58.52 | ``Erik | starseeker: I did a pretty comprehensive survey a decade ago, and ain't nothin' on the intarwebz changes in a decade, right? |
| 02:59.10 | starseeker | kinda like how Qt didn't change in a decade? :-P |
| 02:59.19 | ``Erik | exactly! |
| 02:59.51 | ``Erik | there were two big issues with qt back in 'the day' |
| 03:00.14 | starseeker | QPL and ugly widgets? |
| 03:00.19 | ``Erik | it was c++/moc, so there was a heavy and slow chain to compile... seems c++ is still slow and moc is still requiredd |
| 03:00.44 | ``Erik | the other was that qt required all sorts of manual implementation if there was a resize event, dunno if that's true anymroe |
| 03:01.13 | ``Erik | resize a window and you needed to implement a method for every qt class in the chain... gtk+ just worked... |
| 03:01.50 | starseeker | hmm |
| 03:01.53 | ``Erik | surely that's changed, I mean, even java has that right now |
| 03:01.59 | starseeker | checks |
| 03:01.59 | ``Erik | but the moc thing... dang |
| 03:02.51 | ``Erik | (also, at the time, I had a bit of a freakout because the video game engine I was working on had drifted to more than 10 seconds of compile time from scratch on a 120mhz cpu) |
| 03:03.14 | starseeker | http://www.qtforum.org/article/22425/understanding-the-resize-and-the-auto-expand-behavior.html ? |
| 03:05.46 | ``Erik | hm, looks like they've adopted a lot of sanity, but they still ain't right |
| 03:06.13 | ``Erik | the existance of that thread is sad :/ |
| 03:06.26 | Nohla | hahaha the ones added were wich I sent to sean by email! |
| 03:06.31 | ``Erik | gtk+ just... works... |
| 03:06.45 | Nohla | stop talking about his entusiasm, HE WORKS! hahah |
| 03:07.12 | ``Erik | he works way too much, but he is just one... :) |
| 03:07.55 | starseeker | aaaaand the stix fonts were not released |
| 03:08.05 | starseeker | color me unsurprised |
| 03:09.04 | ``Erik | <-- wouldn't feel comfortable making an espanol translation 'proper', has never taken a class, has done exactly one 'period' of rosetta stone... mocked himself today by saying "hasta la ma.. ma... mayonaisse..." |
| 03:10.40 | ``Erik | ehh, starseeker, so the comments I made the other day seem more accurate and less ass-hole-ish? ;> |
| 03:10.54 | Nohla | hahaha I'll search the rest of them, just help me to add them at the repository |
| 03:12.05 | starseeker | ``Erik: heh - ass-holes are often accurate |
| 03:12.08 | ``Erik | if you were submitting japanese or german translations, I'd do what I can and know how to research what I don't... but you're out of my field of feigned competence |
| 03:13.13 | ``Erik | and I'd have a go-to guy for french O.o but *shrug* cannot help on spanish |
| 03:13.30 | Nohla | :) " feigned competence" juaz! |
| 03:13.38 | ``Erik | I even have a couple portuguese speaking friends I could abuse for a second opinion! |
| 03:14.21 | ``Erik | which is enough to let me know that portuguese isn't spanish ;) |
| 03:15.23 | starseeker | ``Erik: do you have trouble with isst in src/adrt doing the make -j# where # > 1? |
| 03:15.37 | ``Erik | I hadn't on my work boxen |
| 03:15.54 | ``Erik | togl is back to failing on my home mac |
| 03:16.14 | starseeker | nods |
| 03:16.24 | ``Erik | togl.c:102:54: error: tkMacOSXInt.h: No such file or directory |
| 03:16.29 | starseeker | so far it haults the build for me on every machine I've tried |
| 03:16.37 | starseeker | O.o |
| 03:16.48 | ``Erik | probably system tcl/tk again |
| 03:17.59 | ``Erik | hands done bleeding, probably time to go get some sleep O.o |
| 03:18.10 | starseeker | sounds like a plan |
| 03:18.40 | starseeker | hunts up his modern-autotooled tcl effort and tries to figure out where he left off... |
| 03:20.16 | ``Erik | given what you've learne in the last year or so, it shouldn't take more than an hour or so to convert it to autoconf |
| 03:20.37 | ``Erik | if it's set and you're "in the groove", a version update should be about 2-3 minutes of effort updating teh build system |
| 03:20.44 | starseeker | <snort> yeah, probably - the trick is all the little TEA-ish things they are generating |
| 03:21.05 | ``Erik | yeah, that's why an hour instead of 6.3 minutes |
| 03:21.07 | ``Erik | :D |
| 03:21.23 | starseeker | took a couple hours for the basic stuff, sad to say |
| 03:21.33 | starseeker | probably helped me learn, though... |
| 03:21.46 | ``Erik | "given what you've learned" |
| 03:23.06 | starseeker | the real trick is going to be figuring out how to replace the TEA based builds with autotooly stuff |
| 03:23.27 | starseeker | right now we mix-and-match, which is just squirrely |
| 03:23.38 | ``Erik | yeh... |
| 03:23.57 | ``Erik | I imagine every convoluted nasty fugly tea hack is a simple one-liner in clean auto* |
| 03:24.55 | ``Erik | tea stinks of imake/xmkfm |
| 03:25.23 | ``Erik | whcih is the worst of the worst of the cake crap that was removed |
| 03:25.53 | starseeker | so far, I think the only m4 thing of theirs I'm using is a couple SC_* macros |
| 03:26.20 | starseeker | they added a lot of stuff like localization files I'm not sure we need/want |
| 03:26.47 | starseeker | most of what made the 8.6 test checkin in the branch so painful |
| 03:26.58 | ``Erik | localizaion would be nifty some day |
| 03:27.34 | ``Erik | I sure wouldn't want to touch the po files, but... |
| 03:28.13 | starseeker | I think in this case it was tzdata... |
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| 03:38.29 | starseeker | hmm - looks like the SC_CONFIG_CFLAGS macro will need to be unwound |
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| 17:32.35 | starseeker | auuuugh - Texas, what are you doing???? |
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| 18:12.05 | ``Erik | a fullfilling their desire to secede. Some damn californian moved there for software and taught them that if they wanna go their own way, the least resistance is to convince the rest of the world to let them go their own way |
| 18:32.21 | ``Erik | ya don't like my theory? :D |
| 18:43.12 | ``Erik | dang punk cats |
| 19:32.05 | starseeker | ``Erik: more likely they want to drag the rest of the country along |
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| 23:18.51 | ``Erik | ohhh, I'm such an asshole... raining outside, so I left the door to the deck open... boy cat went "ooh! score!", ran out, realized it was raining, ran around one corner, ran back, aroun hte other corner, then back in |
| 23:18.56 | ``Erik | coudln't escape the water O.o |
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| 23:24.16 | starseeker | heh |
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