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| 14:36.53 | ``Erik | heh, let my (exploration minded) boy cat out on the back deck, the neighbors dog was going nuts O.o heh |
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| 22:55.21 | ``Erik | heh, yeah, I think I'm gonna spend those budget $'s on making NMG's better... who knows, mebbe I'll add a few 9's to out conversion capability and be able to say "once again, ya'll messed up by telling us to implement a 'solution' instead of coming to us with your problem" |
| 22:57.55 | ``Erik | recalls fondly when he neither knew about nor cared for the pointy haired budgetting side :/ |
| 23:07.02 | Stattrav | ``Erik: hello |
| 23:07.41 | ``Erik | hi, stattrav, how's it going? |
| 23:08.16 | Stattrav | ``Erik: good submitted an app to cgal this time. and desperately trying to get a job |
| 23:08.40 | ``Erik | jobs can be hard to get, the last decade has been damn rough |
| 23:08.45 | ``Erik | good luck :) |
| 23:09.52 | Stattrav | yeah interviewing with amazon at the moment. done with round 1, have the second round of interview on 15th, a call from amazon seattle |
| 23:10.21 | ``Erik | hm, they do have some interesting problems to tackle... and I like seattle, it's where I grew up :) |
| 23:11.08 | ``Erik | ya going for a programmer job, sysadmin, ...? |
| 23:11.12 | Stattrav | aah i wouldnt be working in Seattle though, i would be placed in India itself. But I would visiting seattle |
| 23:11.22 | Stattrav | math modelling |
| 23:11.45 | ``Erik | ooh, neat, I like abusing my local math guy :D |
| 23:12.26 | Stattrav | lol |
| 23:12.26 | ``Erik | never been to india, closest I've been in okinawa on the japanese ryuku's, I think |
| 23:12.56 | Stattrav | well thats not very close either. :) |
| 23:13.28 | ``Erik | the dichotomy of teh area sounds interesting, I'd like to see it, but *shrug* it's not where I am :) |
| 23:13.29 | Stattrav | never been to americas, the closest i have been to is singapore on one side and Stockholm on the other |
| 23:14.48 | Stattrav | ``Erik: I dont know why but India attracts a lot of dopeheads who are in search of spirituality and more than half the spiritual gurus they meet are bogus |
| 23:16.26 | ``Erik | heh, yeh, not quite clear on that myself... I know steve jobs did it 20 years ago... O.o mebbe the whole "well, it's next to nepal, right? where the 'dailee llama' is?" |
| 23:17.07 | ``Erik | I'm sure most o f india is like "dalai lama? yeah, he's a guy up in those mountains off that way" |
| 23:17.11 | Stattrav | yeah! that place is awesome where Dalai lama lives |
| 23:18.09 | Stattrav | i am sure not more than 5% of the people really know what he does :) |
| 23:18.34 | ``Erik | and on the other side is china, huzzah, they're friendly, right? :D *duck* |
| 23:19.26 | ``Erik | 'sok, I'm sure the same could be said about the pope here where most folk are christian (though the pope is technically just over teh catholic subset, I think) |
| 23:19.26 | Stattrav | no comments :) |
| 23:20.07 | Stattrav | yeah the catholic spiritual head :) been in a catholic school all my life |
| 23:20.22 | ``Erik | aw, c'mon, I'm sure if india and china could ever agree on where the border is, ya'lld be meeting up at it to shake hands and say "howdy neighbor" :D *duck* |
| 23:20.49 | Stattrav | lol |
| 23:21.54 | ``Erik | (I guess the upside is that the dispute is up in some reasonably useless (althought pretty) mountains, so shooting eachother isn't every day, just some) |
| 23:22.05 | Stattrav | Now that India has opened door to the foreign universities, I might be able to get my grad school admission to an american university in India which might not have high requirements like the ones geographically in US |
| 23:22.42 | ``Erik | the US ones have high requirements? O.o |
| 23:22.46 | Stattrav | yeah. "defining borders" is the issue with both pakistan and china |
| 23:22.54 | Stattrav | ``Erik: yeah the good ones. |
| 23:23.06 | Stattrav | ofcourse :) wanted to go to UMD or UNC |
| 23:23.16 | ``Erik | the paki's are more interested in pointing guns over at afghanistan and stuff, though... right? |
| 23:23.20 | ``Erik | umd? O.o |
| 23:23.42 | ``Erik | see, I'd rather to go cmu or stanford than those |
| 23:23.57 | ``Erik | though unc chapel hill seems to have some neat computer graphics stuff going |
| 23:23.59 | Stattrav | i wouldnt get into stanford in a million years |
| 23:24.10 | Stattrav | yeah manocha |
| 23:24.45 | ``Erik | I wonder if there're significant acceptance differences for a foreign applicant |
| 23:25.54 | ``Erik | (umd is just down the road from a lot of the BRL-CAD developers, some have used them for evening courses, though johns hopkins seems more popular) |
| 23:26.08 | Stattrav | aah naice |
| 23:26.18 | ``Erik | the umbc campus, anyways |
| 23:26.53 | ``Erik | indeed, brlcad himself lives in the city of baltimore... :D |
| 23:27.16 | Stattrav | the college park campus has pretty good people in there afaik |
| 23:27.57 | ``Erik | iirc, that's between baltimore and dc... I think I've driven through it trying to turn around on thte highway once |
| 23:28.39 | Stattrav | I have heard that baltimore is a great place from my gf. |
| 23:29.16 | ``Erik | kinda surprising that one of yoru targets is so close, given that the continental US is roughly the same size as all of europe... :D |
| 23:30.17 | Stattrav | :) well unlike europe there exists a lot of diversity in climate in US |
| 23:30.29 | ``Erik | if you're keen on baltimore, ya might give johns hopkins a try, too, I think it's jhu.edu |
| 23:31.08 | ``Erik | stanford, carnegie mellon, berkely, ... those might be worth at least an attempt *shrug* |
| 23:31.30 | ``Erik | and then there're some really good ones in other countries, a disgustingly smart friend did some awesome stuff at oxford |
| 23:31.36 | Stattrav | yeah :) checked it out. At that moment i plan on getting a masters in India, which would apply for next year and then apply for PhD at one of these places. |
| 23:31.50 | Stattrav | yeah even UCL is awesome |
| 23:32.09 | Stattrav | s/would/i would/ |
| 23:32.26 | ``Erik | um, even purdue used to be a big name, dunno if they are anymore though |
| 23:33.32 | Stattrav | btw I was thinking of making a brlcad package for archlinux |
| 23:34.21 | ``Erik | okie... ? :D |
| 23:35.18 | ``Erik | <-- doesn't know anything of archlinux's gut... put together some redhat and debian stuff a long time ago, currently maintains the freebsd port/package http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/cad/brlcad/ |
| 23:36.40 | Stattrav | aah arch has this aur ( arch user repository) to which packages can be easily uploaded to initially and then pushed to extras |
| 23:36.57 | ``Erik | what package file format does it use? |
| 23:37.01 | ``Erik | something custom? |
| 23:37.18 | Stattrav | it basically uses .tar.gz with some build scripts |
| 23:37.27 | ``Erik | ok, so very solaris like |
| 23:37.44 | Stattrav | in some way its gentoo like :) |
| 23:38.10 | ``Erik | are they ok with the notion of installing in a weird place? BRL-CAD tends to have conflicts with other packages, so we like using a dedicated directory, very old school... |
| 23:38.23 | Stattrav | not at all |
| 23:38.31 | ``Erik | bah, gentoo is just a halfassed attempt to imitate the bsd's, and it does it poorly :D *duck* |
| 23:38.54 | Stattrav | lol i know quite a few gentoo devs who take it personally when said so :P |
| 23:39.06 | ``Erik | yeah, the truth hurts *shrug* :D |
| 23:39.19 | ``Erik | <-- went from linux to fbsd about a decade ago |
| 23:40.07 | Stattrav | woah naice. I still do not understand the philosophical issues of fbsd when i do i shall give it a try :) |
| 23:40.14 | ``Erik | when showing off how fbsd does it to a gentoo user, they usually drool and would switch if they could figure out how to stop chanting 'linux' over and over |
| 23:40.54 | ``Erik | <-- did kernel stuff in the 90's, compared linux and fbsd, decided linux was a big huge ugly hack and bsd was actually pretty decent |
| 23:42.16 | ``Erik | if ya do get archlinux package shtuff going, it might be worth shoving any nontrivial stuff into the misc/ dir in the BRL-CAD repo |
| 23:42.18 | Stattrav | aah is it, shall look it up. |
| 23:42.59 | Stattrav | sure :) now that i shall be free again, i was looking into the topics which i can contribute too. |
| 23:43.29 | ``Erik | my big issue with linux at the time was that it did all sorts of neat hacks to make things fast, but it got them WRONG on occasion... and the code itself was pretty crappy from the human trying to read it perspective |
| 23:43.30 | Stattrav | ``Erik: most of you guys work with arl ? |
| 23:43.48 | ``Erik | the heavy committers do either as employees or contractors |
| 23:44.13 | Stattrav | ``Erik: but years later now the kernel code has a lot of documentation |
| 23:44.39 | ``Erik | yeah, sorta... |
| 23:45.27 | ``Erik | the bsd's have always had a lot of documentation, I have a couple books about BSD internals from before linux existed, there're significant differences, but the books are still mostly applicable and the changes are very well documented *shrug* |
| 23:46.32 | ``Erik | I d'no, personally I kinda look at linux and see a bunch of guys hacking in their off time to do 'nifty' things... the bsd guys value stability and usefulness over niftiness and have a lot of up front respect for documenting and testing |
| 23:46.32 | Stattrav | yeah when i was in second year of college one of the student servers in the campus which we had to manage was running bsd, so had to read up on bsd hacks :) |
| 23:46.40 | ``Erik | linux is by amateurs, bsd is by pro's :D *duck* |
| 23:46.48 | Stattrav | lol |
| 23:47.01 | Stattrav | try telling that to the big daddy linus :P |
| 23:47.15 | ``Erik | quite the famous amateur there ;D |
| 23:47.29 | Stattrav | lol |
| 23:47.45 | ``Erik | his code is ugly, but he has proven to be competent at maintaining OS communities |
| 23:48.44 | Stattrav | I have shifted to linux because Windows was ugly in terms of resource consumption:) |
| 23:49.10 | ``Erik | of course, I'm a bit biased... I'm a fan of bigtime unix portability, and 99% of the time, linux is the odd man out... it's teh windows of the unix world |
| 23:49.38 | Stattrav | lol. |
| 23:49.49 | ``Erik | subtle but crippling things, mind you |
| 23:50.26 | Stattrav | then mac is the pretty useless white fairy of the unix world ? |
| 23:50.59 | ``Erik | like, say, the IOCTL behavior... fundamnetally flawed, nvidia uses the bug for their driver... so even with ugly hacks to make the public parts of their driver work, the binary components STILL broke on the (glaring security hole class) flaws in ioctl handling |
| 23:51.11 | ``Erik | no, when you fire up a terminal, it's very much a unix... |
| 23:51.30 | ``Erik | usually if someone talks crap about how un-unixy osX is, it's because they want it to be like linux, not unix |
| 23:51.52 | ``Erik | (osX has official permission to call itself UNIX, linux does not.) |
| 23:53.10 | Stattrav | lol |
| 23:53.17 | ``Erik | yeh, I'm biased... when someone talks about linux, I usually say "well, at least it isn't windows" O:-) |
| 23:53.41 | Stattrav | osX is bascially the love child of bsd and unix |
| 23:53.55 | ``Erik | ~5 years ago, I helped someone unscrew code that made linux assumptions, so I doubt it's "good" now |
| 23:54.06 | ``Erik | no, osX is the love child of BSD and NeXT |
| 23:54.31 | ``Erik | bsd is the patch for UNIX that makes people actually want to use computers |
| 23:54.34 | Stattrav | i hate it when different distros try to have their own directory structure |
| 23:55.09 | ``Erik | if'n ya ever have the opportunity to try using, say, 43bsd and sysV UNIX.... it's interesting |
| 23:55.37 | Stattrav | yeah i am planning to get a desktop soon, i shall try it out. |
| 23:55.39 | ``Erik | I've been tempted to set up a publically accessable simh vax11/780 running 43bsd on brlcad.org |
| 23:56.11 | ``Erik | FreeBSD was, at one time, the patch set called bsd386, to make it work on intel CPU's |
| 23:56.39 | ``Erik | knows way too much computer history trivia O.o |
| 23:56.39 | Stattrav | lol |
| 23:56.55 | Stattrav | is still a n00b |
| 23:57.53 | ``Erik | :D noobs are important, greybeards eventually die... O.o |
| 23:58.16 | Stattrav | its sad when you are greyhaired and still a n00b :P |
| 23:59.48 | ``Erik | heh, when my hair goes grey, I hope to still have the will and energy to find things to be a noob at... |
| 23:59.54 | Stattrav | I would want to start low this time and i would want to look into the geometry correction tool for BoT |