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| 04:07.23 | starseeker | man, with the blowing snow out there it looks like an artic landscape |
| 04:31.31 | ``Erik | and now honda has a massive recall due to airbags... |
| 04:31.39 | starseeker | yeah, saw that |
| 04:31.45 | starseeker | not my year, fortunately |
| 04:31.58 | ``Erik | I just heard it mentioned on tv :) |
| 04:32.00 | starseeker | ``Erik: what model truck did you have before? |
| 04:32.07 | ``Erik | a '96 chevy s10 |
| 04:32.45 | ``Erik | and long long ago, a '79 toyota pickup truck (hilux, but just called pickup in the us) |
| 04:32.55 | starseeker | nods |
| 04:33.05 | ``Erik | and a '69 chevy c10 at one point |
| 04:33.08 | starseeker | if you were gonna get another one today, where would you start looking? |
| 04:33.27 | ``Erik | where? I'm kinda lookin' at dodges lately |
| 04:33.44 | starseeker | ah - they have a good rep? |
| 04:33.45 | ``Erik | they seem to be what the fleet buyers are going for |
| 04:33.59 | ``Erik | bad rep, previously, but I think they got their shit together |
| 04:34.29 | starseeker | bet new(ish) ones aren't cheap though |
| 04:35.11 | ``Erik | depends on what you're looking for... i'm kinda looking at a significant towing capability with 4wd... |
| 04:35.48 | ``Erik | jason had a tundra, might talk to him about his experiences... mark upstairs has a dodge 1500 |
| 04:35.57 | starseeker | nods |
| 04:36.24 | starseeker | I'm not gonna be getting one anytime soon, but in this location I'm starting to appreciate the need for something that can get out of here regardless of conditions |
| 04:36.38 | starseeker | (medical emergency, etc.) |
| 04:36.44 | ``Erik | it's more about the driving than the vehicle |
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| 04:37.04 | ``Erik | seriously, I put my m through a chunk of road that I saw a 4wd truck stuck in. |
| 04:37.20 | ``Erik | and I'm an 'ok' driver, not a pro or nothin' |
| 04:37.31 | starseeker | ``Erik: the way things get chopped up around here, it becomes a question of clearance |
| 04:37.42 | ``Erik | heh, yeh, call in, dude :D |
| 04:38.07 | starseeker | I know - see earlier point about situations where there is no choice |
| 04:38.08 | ``Erik | given your car and what tires you have, you should be able to get througgh just about anything |
| 04:38.16 | starseeker | bull |
| 04:38.21 | starseeker | I'll show you my tires later |
| 04:38.32 | ``Erik | you have a/s tires |
| 04:38.44 | ``Erik | 3 rain gutters and lots of cross cuts |
| 04:39.19 | ``Erik | I looked when you were in the mud... unless you've run 'em bald since, those're good traction tires |
| 04:39.22 | starseeker | ``Erik: on Monday, I ONLY saw FWD vehicles moving with any success |
| 04:39.47 | ``Erik | fwd or 4wd? |
| 04:39.54 | starseeker | sorry, 4wd |
| 04:39.58 | ``Erik | on monday, I moved with success when 4wd failed. |
| 04:40.18 | starseeker | you must have fairly flat terrain |
| 04:40.24 | ``Erik | very much not |
| 04:40.36 | ``Erik | and several neighbors came out to watch while I got moving heh |
| 04:40.43 | ``Erik | <-- is that r-tarded :/ |
| 04:41.07 | starseeker | ``Erik: if what you say were true, there would exist no market for 4wd |
| 04:41.54 | ``Erik | um, what I say is true... 4wd is not a panacea.... it's useful for what it is, 99% of the us driving market is... well... retarded. |
| 04:42.01 | starseeker | you are probably considerably better than average at driving, btw - at least when you're not leaving the road outright |
| 04:42.33 | ``Erik | 4wd does NOT magically make poor driving conditions drivable... you have to have a certain amount of skill to operate functionally... |
| 04:42.40 | starseeker | certainly not |
| 04:42.48 | starseeker | doesn't expect magic |
| 04:43.25 | ``Erik | my dad was on a wrecker crew before joining the navy, he claims most vehicles he saw stuck ont eh side of the road were 4wd... people think it's magic, but it's not... it provides no significant benefit for stopping or turning, and gives drivers a false sense of security |
| 04:43.56 | starseeker | would mainly be looking for benefits in starting or contining to move |
| 04:44.13 | starseeker | I know it can't magically increase traction |
| 04:44.21 | ``Erik | on my drive monday, I did a lot of ballistic driving |
| 04:44.36 | starseeker | that gives me the willies just thinking about |
| 04:45.02 | ``Erik | sacred the snot otu of me when I did an uphill/turn through a sign and as a truck coming |
| 04:45.23 | ``Erik | do I continue to run the sign and risk getting hit? or stop and never get moving forward? |
| 04:45.51 | starseeker | isn't that a situation where 4wd might have helped to get you moving again? |
| 04:45.58 | ``Erik | possibly |
| 04:46.21 | ``Erik | if I had teh ability, evne with 4wd, it woulda been a turn around and go hom situation |
| 04:46.31 | starseeker | nods |
| 04:46.34 | starseeker | I believe it |
| 04:46.57 | ``Erik | evne the truck here didn't go today :D |
| 04:47.01 | ``Erik | trucks |
| 04:47.01 | starseeker | isn't even considering trying to get anywhere tomorrow, and Friday is doubtful, even if the car has only cosmetic troubles |
| 04:47.11 | starseeker | yeah, nothing moving here either |
| 04:47.25 | ``Erik | when're they sending someone out to look at it? after the weather permits? |
| 04:47.26 | starseeker | was kinda amusing reading the national weather service special bullitens |
| 04:47.35 | starseeker | dunno yet |
| 04:47.50 | starseeker | haven't heard anything |
| 04:48.24 | ``Erik | driving sideways in snow pack reminded me of my youth :) good fun, glad I took the time to learn the art in gravel |
| 04:49.11 | ``Erik | if we had a good gravel area around, I"d try to talk you into going out and learnin' it :) |
| 04:49.52 | ``Erik | in general, if you think ti's right, it's probably exactly opposite of what you should do |
| 04:51.54 | starseeker | remembers being told to steer into a skid |
| 04:52.23 | starseeker | I think to try and regain control |
| 04:53.34 | ``Erik | well, if you're all haywire, most people try to turn away from the skit, ya gotta turn into it to regain traction, etc |
| 04:53.50 | starseeker | assuming you have time of course... |
| 04:54.02 | ``Erik | that's why the gravel trainign is good :D |
| 04:54.11 | ``Erik | ya turn it into reaction instead of thought |
| 04:54.25 | starseeker | yeah, that does help |
| 04:54.43 | ``Erik | <-- itching to do it on a track to get better reactions, asphalt is less forgiving thans now... |
| 04:54.53 | ``Erik | and snow is teh easiest, gravel is a middle ground |
| 04:56.47 | starseeker | shakes his head - so your claim is that if the us driving market were better trained, 4wd would be largely moot? |
| 04:56.49 | ``Erik | dang kitties are too dang cute |
| 04:56.52 | starseeker | hehe |
| 04:57.11 | starseeker | yeah, ours is quite happy we're snowed in |
| 04:57.53 | ``Erik | 4wd in the hands of a sufficiently trained person is an advantage... MOST folk who buy a 4wd aren't adequately competent to operate a 2wd vehicle in poor conditions and have a notion that the 4wd is magic and makes them adequate. |
| 04:58.06 | starseeker | ah |
| 04:58.40 | starseeker | is perfectly willing to learn, assuming conditions can be found that don't result in him smashing things |
| 04:59.06 | ``Erik | of course, I also believe that you need to learn how to drive a manual, etc... |
| 04:59.27 | starseeker | winces |
| 04:59.37 | starseeker | I tried one once, when learning to drive |
| 04:59.40 | ``Erik | and I'm looking to go back to training for aggressive driving |
| 04:59.45 | starseeker | I think I could eventually have gotten the hang of it |
| 05:00.19 | ``Erik | my parents had two manual vehicles when I turned 16... so I got to learn in gravel with a 4spd toyota pickup |
| 05:00.27 | starseeker | cool |
| 05:00.31 | starseeker | bbiab |
| 05:00.47 | ``Erik | and one of the first 'tasks' was 'get moving' up hill without touching the gas... |
| 05:01.04 | ``Erik | came in handy, when my truck blew the tranny, I was able to get my chevy moving in 4th ... |
| 05:01.45 | ``Erik | thinks he had the blue car when ya moved up |
| 05:02.05 | ``Erik | not lettin' ya learn how to drive in manual in my m3, dude, just sayin' |
| 05:30.42 | starseeker | ``Erik: heh, no problem |
| 05:31.45 | starseeker | wait... you're gonna train how to be an aggressive driver? |
| 05:32.47 | ``Erik | not aggressive... competent in adverse conditions |
| 05:32.53 | starseeker | ah |
| 05:33.33 | starseeker | ``Erik: did you seriously think I would want to go anywhere near driving your M3 or Sean's Lotus? :-P |
| 05:33.35 | ``Erik | I'd like to take lessons in more aggressive driving, I wanna buy a truck that can tow my car |
| 05:33.39 | starseeker | eeek |
| 05:33.48 | starseeker | ah, cool :-) |
| 05:33.54 | ``Erik | can you fit in the elise? |
| 05:33.55 | ``Erik | :D |
| 05:34.01 | starseeker | doubts it |
| 05:34.38 | ``Erik | I imagine seans care is the same way, but the second you give a hair more gas than ya expect, I end up ass fowards |
| 05:34.46 | ``Erik | which is effin' terrifying |
| 05:34.57 | starseeker | nods |
| 05:35.04 | starseeker | you're RWD? |
| 05:35.08 | ``Erik | "hey, I'm gonna do a left turOMFG I'M FUCKING BACKARDS AND SLIDING" |
| 05:35.16 | starseeker | yeah, that's just not good |
| 05:35.17 | ``Erik | yes |
| 05:35.39 | starseeker | nods - my uncle had an 85 Toyota of some sort that was RWD, in Wisconsion of all places |
| 05:36.01 | ``Erik | and that backwards... was on dry roads in summer... |
| 05:36.15 | starseeker | yow |
| 05:36.19 | ``Erik | the 3 point turn in the middle of the intersection with traffic was ... slightly embarrasing |
| 05:37.10 | ``Erik | so yeh, I don't push the 'stupid' button in my car anymore :D |
| 05:38.36 | ``Erik | y'know, I don't think I hit the dsc button on my slide fest monday... |
| 05:38.41 | ``Erik | probably shoudla |
| 05:38.53 | starseeker | still can't believe you tried it |
| 05:39.09 | starseeker | even though you do have a lot less distance to a major road than I do... |
| 05:39.27 | ``Erik | I want programmer control... being able to put it in zomfg suicide mode and still getting the 'you're retarded' lights... |
| 05:39.35 | ``Erik | do I? I think it's around 1.5 miles |
| 05:39.35 | starseeker | Bob has an edge there too, but his driveway takes up the slack... |
| 05:39.55 | starseeker | you're very close the circle, aren't you? |
| 05:40.19 | ``Erik | I'm on the circle, but the exit to a highway is opposite on the triangle |
| 05:41.53 | starseeker | ah |
| 05:42.01 | starseeker | oh yeah, I see |
| 05:42.06 | ``Erik | kinda irritating, |
| 05:42.32 | starseeker | yeah, guess we're about even in distance then |
| 05:42.55 | ``Erik | heh, and all of mien is private road, no county service |
| 05:43.05 | starseeker | that sucks |
| 05:43.10 | ``Erik | I don't hit county/state road until the highway |
| 05:44.27 | starseeker | blegh |
| 05:44.35 | starseeker | how are they about taking care of things? |
| 05:45.28 | ``Erik | if I"m lucky, 3 days after snow, an f150 with a plow does a quick trip through |
| 05:45.50 | ``Erik | no one drove today. the cul de sac is all pristine snow |
| 05:46.08 | ``Erik | people shoveled driveways, but the road is untouched |
| 05:46.33 | starseeker | nods |
| 05:46.42 | starseeker | yeah, I don't think much got plowed today |
| 05:47.00 | starseeker | do you go out and hit 24 then? |
| 05:47.35 | ``Erik | heh, and last night, was out drinkin' and talking with folk from the corner... chassis twist on high performance cars came up, this kid was trying to assert that he has the issue with his pickup truck... |
| 05:47.39 | ``Erik | yes |
| 05:47.58 | starseeker | yeah, that does suck |
| 05:48.19 | ``Erik | my usual drive is 24 south, onto 1 by the jail, then 543, prospect mill, 22 all the way in |
| 05:48.33 | starseeker | nods |
| 05:49.01 | ``Erik | if'n ya'll wanna carpool when the weather is better, the bike shop by the circle has tons of parking :D |
| 05:49.25 | starseeker | heh - mightn't they get annoyed? |
| 05:49.34 | ``Erik | doubt it |
| 05:49.45 | ``Erik | if not, there's a lot infront of my house |
| 05:49.53 | starseeker | should pick up Bob and John too, make it really worthwhile |
| 05:49.57 | ``Erik | <-- been tempted to construct a carpool web app |
| 05:50.08 | ``Erik | you can haul 4, I cannot |
| 05:50.10 | ``Erik | john cannot |
| 05:50.29 | starseeker | are we counting the trunk? :-P |
| 05:50.44 | ``Erik | heh, yeh, I have a 2.5 hooker trunk |
| 05:51.35 | starseeker | might be worth looking into |
| 05:51.50 | starseeker | (me must put humpty dumpty back together first...) |
| 05:51.52 | ``Erik | be an interesting app to write... exercise in lisp and UCW |
| 05:52.16 | starseeker | yeah, that would actually be a problem well suited to AI type algorithms |
| 05:52.31 | starseeker | optimizing combinations of people with car capacity, distances and destinations |
| 05:52.36 | ``Erik | fayup |
| 05:52.41 | ``Erik | ayup, even |
| 05:53.18 | starseeker | you back in the UCW game? thought that faded after the whole move thing evaporated |
| 05:55.29 | ``Erik | kinda |
| 05:56.29 | starseeker | wonders if him + truck would be dangerous when it comes to garage sales... |
| 05:57.13 | starseeker | might build up a mildly absurd stash of crap, given hauling capacity... |
| 05:57.18 | ``Erik | uh, you + truck is dangerous. Period. |
| 05:57.41 | starseeker | what, from a driving standpoint? |
| 06:00.30 | starseeker | I suppose |
| 06:01.23 | starseeker | LOL - subversive groups have to register in South Carolina? Uh, sure, let's announce our illegal intentions to the state... |
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| 06:19.48 | ``Erik | that's the state whos governer is in trouble for using prisoners as slave labor, right? |
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| 17:43.01 | yukonbob | morning #brlcad |
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| 19:07.59 | brlcad | gets bizay |
| 20:02.28 | starseeker | hates snow drifts |
| 20:02.57 | starseeker | ``Erik: you would have gotten a kick out of a scene in front of my house today - two 4wd pickups having trouble cresting the hill |
| 20:04.09 | starseeker | one even had a plow attachment |
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| 21:49.17 | brlcad | writes up a summary of projecto verde |
| 22:06.20 | CIA-43 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2187 10/wiki/Main_Page: add a link to projecto verde |
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| 22:15.21 | CIA-43 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2188 10/wiki/Projecto_VeRDE: initial information page on projecto verde |
| 22:19.50 | CIA-43 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2189 10/wiki/Projecto_VeRDE: more than 100 competitors at the science fair |
| 22:59.00 | ``Erik | has bulldozers outside of his house right now |
| 23:12.41 | brlcad | that's what they've been using to clean up the city |
| 23:13.01 | brlcad | massive dozers that scoop up the snow into big dump trucks that then haul it fof |
| 23:13.25 | brlcad | since there's no place to really shove the stuff off to a side |
| 23:13.33 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.01 | brlcad | finishes converting the video into 3 other formats |
| 23:14.15 | brlcad | mpeg-2 decoders are a bitch to come by |
| 23:14.30 | brlcad | vlc ftw |
| 23:14.32 | ``Erik | vlc doesn't have one? |
| 23:14.33 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:15.47 | brlcad | got conversions now for mp4, vorbis, and wmv/asf |
| 23:16.24 | brlcad | should be one in there that works for folks without needing to install special goodies |
| 23:16.29 | brlcad | except maybe win95 folks |
| 23:16.31 | ``Erik | damn, <homer> but we're the more powerful country for a few more years! |
| 23:17.37 | louipc | that's awesome that you guys have so much snow and we have none |
| 23:17.43 | louipc | hahah |
| 23:18.59 | ``Erik | should write up a script to rotate an object and rotate the camera the same way |
| 23:19.35 | ``Erik | ed was curious to see what'd happen if you rotated the grid for tesselation, seems easier to move the object and camera |
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| 23:24.39 | CIA-43 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Projecto VeRDE nave1.jpg]]" |
| 23:25.16 | CIA-43 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Projecto VeRDE nave2.jpg]]" |
| 23:25.42 | CIA-43 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Projecto VeRDE nave3.jpg]]" |
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| 23:35.50 | ``Erik | ²you? |
| 23:36.00 | ``Erik | woops |
| 23:43.24 | CIA-43 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2194 10/wiki/Projecto_VeRDE: link to reference images |
| 23:50.30 | ``Erik | "a first class ticket to a semen stained death in a basement" |
| 23:56.57 | CIA-43 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/upload: uploaded "[[Image:Projecto VeRDE.png]]" |