| 00:12.14 | CIA-43 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37603 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: todo items for this patch release, should be a bug-fix only release with a fix for the mac input bug, 64-bit windows binaries, and any other bugs that can be easily fixed. |
| 00:45.51 | CIA-43 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37604 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: mged no longer lacks the knowledge for how to invoke EDITOR again, so shouldn't be any more lockups |
| 00:51.01 | ``Erik | but damnit, my metaball tesselation is in, w00t. |
| 00:52.29 | CIA-43 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37605 10/brlcad/trunk/include/config_win.h: check for preceeding underscore and, failing that, use _fileno(FILE) to be a little more portable/dynamic. |
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| 02:45.21 | Nohla | holas |
| 03:15.26 | ``Erik | yargh, matey |
| 04:49.00 | ``Erik | nice, colbert just figured out how to straight up say "sarah palin is a fucking retard" on tv |
| 04:55.39 | starseeker | heh |
| 04:55.58 | starseeker | hopes Nohla isn't annoyed with us... |
| 05:04.35 | ``Erik | was a ping out, probably connectivity issues |
| 05:05.36 | starseeker | nods |
| 05:05.45 | starseeker | I got Xcode, where do I get automake? |
| 05:06.07 | ``Erik | grab macports |
| 05:06.46 | ``Erik | (osX comes with an old automake...) |
| 05:07.30 | ``Erik | huh, 10.5 comes with 1.10, nifty |
| 05:07.40 | starseeker | ah, crud, too old version of XCode |
| 05:07.52 | ``Erik | in theory, BRL-CAD should compile with just Xcode, no need for anything extra |
| 05:07.56 | starseeker | looks for correct one... |
| 05:08.10 | starseeker | got version 2.5, didn't have automake in it |
| 05:08.15 | starseeker | need 3.1.4 apparently |
| 05:08.18 | starseeker | hunts |
| 05:08.20 | ``Erik | but when you start wanting things like, y'know, a reasonably modern emacs, subversion, darcs, etc... macports gives ya something to use |
| 05:08.30 | ``Erik | what version of osX are you using? |
| 05:09.06 | ``Erik | upgraded his work machine from 10.4 to 10.5 to get the updated xcode to continue to use macports :/ |
| 05:09.28 | starseeker | 10.5.8 |
| 05:10.11 | starseeker | just didn't look hard enough at the requirements page for macports |
| 05:10.29 | starseeker | (well, they say third time's the charm...) |
| 05:10.30 | ``Erik | ok, I'm using 3.1.2 on 10.5.8 |
| 05:10.41 | starseeker | ok, cool |
| 05:11.00 | ``Erik | (odd, I found it quite difficult to find something OTHER than the most recent on the site) |
| 05:11.25 | starseeker | this'll all be moot if my replacement from newegg gets here, but judging by the weather forecasts I'd better get this thing up to compiling par... |
| 05:11.48 | starseeker | ``Erik: so did I, except for some reason it was giving me the 10.6 version by default |
| 05:11.53 | starseeker | which didn't install |
| 05:12.18 | ``Erik | yeh, I do vagually recall that issue, dun 'member why I did to work around it :/ |
| 05:12.39 | starseeker | I'm sure Apple's take on things is "why is anyone using anything except 10.6...) |
| 05:12.45 | ``Erik | newegg? I've been thinking about making a 'high performance' x86 for fbsd fun and video games O.o |
| 05:13.04 | ``Erik | didja see that firefox is dropping support for 10.4, removing the code required and all? |
| 05:13.22 | starseeker | yeah - that's a bit of a shock |
| 05:13.42 | starseeker | 1 that they're dropping it, and 2 that it takes a lot of special code |
| 05:14.34 | ``Erik | <-- wonders if it uses cocoa or carbon O.o |
| 05:15.13 | ``Erik | I could envison firefox/mozilla using carbon to 'stick with c++' and apple trying to kill off carbon apps to force people to 'the one true way' |
| 05:15.20 | ``Erik | envision |
| 05:18.16 | ``Erik | (c++ really is oh so wrong for so many reasons *cough* *duck* :D ) |
| 05:20.57 | starseeker | hehe |
| 05:21.11 | starseeker | the first and foremost being "it's not Lisp!" |
| 05:21.44 | ``Erik | oh, I'm ok with objc, I like smalltalk, CLOS is both scary and nifty |
| 05:21.58 | starseeker | is sad to see Oracle laying off folks doing work to support visually impared users in Gnome... |
| 05:22.01 | ``Erik | favors java to c++ :/ |
| 05:22.11 | starseeker | O.o |
| 05:22.53 | starseeker | and you complain about the Docbook stuff... - can you imagine compiling all of Java for a BRL-CAD build? |
| 05:23.07 | ``Erik | yeah... actually... |
| 05:23.30 | ``Erik | that's why I'm talking about writing some code for the project upstairs, to provide a language agnostic network protocol |
| 05:23.50 | ``Erik | cuz I'm nto about to add java to my dang bsd servers |
| 05:23.59 | starseeker | ah |
| 05:24.07 | ``Erik | I'm a bit annoyed that they have g++ o.O |
| 05:24.22 | starseeker | <snort> Qt still rocks |
| 05:24.36 | starseeker | and for our purposes, opennurbs REALLY rocks |
| 05:24.44 | ``Erik | oh, and I got all excited when bsd eliminated perl from the base system, only to find that some of the very first ports ya install require perl somewhere |
| 05:25.12 | starseeker | ow |
| 05:25.30 | starseeker | wouldn't be TOO sorry to see perl kinda just die off... |
| 05:25.39 | starseeker | talk about mind bending scripts |
| 05:25.58 | ``Erik | I beleive the politically correct term is "write only" |
| 05:26.13 | ``Erik | only an idjit would try to read perl :> *duck* |
| 05:26.46 | starseeker | still wants to see someone do a test of feeding line noise into compilers and see which one results in the most legal instructions generated |
| 05:27.23 | ``Erik | brainfuck. |
| 05:27.29 | starseeker | heh |
| 05:27.59 | ``Erik | nothing is more than 1 character, and anything not explicitely handled a comment... |
| 05:28.15 | ``Erik | feeding it random line noise is literally an exercise of the halting problem... :D |
| 05:28.28 | ``Erik | to match the [ and ] commands |
| 05:28.45 | ``Erik | (loop construct) |
| 05:29.21 | starseeker | so the approach is to hook up the radio telescopes to a compiler and see if a GOD program gets compiled :-P |
| 05:29.45 | ``Erik | heh, do it! |
| 05:30.00 | ``Erik | want a bf compiler? I wrote one O.o |
| 05:30.27 | starseeker | ``Erik: the real money would be to sell the idea to the next guy tring to write a Contact wannabe book |
| 05:31.10 | ``Erik | heh |
| 05:31.40 | ``Erik | kinda a lame premise to start with... |
| 05:32.17 | starseeker | well, it's what people want to hear |
| 05:33.15 | ``Erik | I'd imagine that if FTL capable species were around, then life would be pretty plentiful and no one would give a rats ass about our mudball full of retards too busy killing eachother and claiming we're alone... |
| 05:33.21 | starseeker | hehe - here's a problem that needs formal methods: http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/08/toyota.recalls/index.html?hpt=Sbin |
| 05:33.58 | ``Erik | I mean, if you saw a homeless dude beating his head on the wall downtown,w ould you stop and say hi? |
| 05:34.35 | starseeker | ``Erik: I guess it depends... there's no guarantee aliens would be any smarter than us |
| 05:35.13 | starseeker | the bad news is we'd most likely have the "bottom of the barrel" aliens who have issues coming to mess with us |
| 05:36.25 | ``Erik | if extraterrestrials were as dumb as us, they wouldn't have FTL, right? assuming FTL is even possible |
| 05:36.42 | Ralith | is that a function of intelligence, or of time? |
| 05:37.04 | ``Erik | if FTL isn't possible, then ya hit hte realm of generational or stasis ships, and stopping by to say high would be ... stupid |
| 05:37.25 | ``Erik | ralith? |
| 05:38.09 | starseeker | maybe even someone as dumb as us will stumble on FTL in 100000 years |
| 05:38.31 | starseeker | plus, you don't have to be smart enough to invent the technology in order to use the technology |
| 05:38.36 | ``Erik | yeh, luck factor, or mebbe tomorrow... *shrug* |
| 05:39.10 | starseeker | envisions "green trash" aliens with souped up spaceships crusing around the universe |
| 05:39.17 | ``Erik | uh, there was a theoretical physicist talking about how to generate a zomfg star trek style warp drive and it was physically possible |
| 05:39.32 | ``Erik | the killer was that it'd require more energy than there is in a galaxy to power |
| 05:39.44 | starseeker | yeah, that kinda sucks |
| 05:40.53 | ``Erik | (even if humans did come up with FTL tomorrow... would it be applied in any non-idiotic way? I'd doubt it...) |
| 05:41.47 | ``Erik | too many people in positions of power can't think past the next quarter or next term election O.o BUT I'm NOT BITTER!!@~!@~! |
| 05:42.19 | starseeker | yeah - "FTL?? that's not profitable in the next quarter, why would we fund that?" |
| 05:42.52 | starseeker | or "can you break 'species survival' into quantifiable deliverables?" |
| 05:44.06 | starseeker | would so love to see both parties get gutted and replaced next go-around, just to shake off the dust... |
| 05:44.22 | ``Erik | hm, with the whole week off... I think I'm gonna get some heavy cleaning done and get quite a bit moving on my little arm computer O.o |
| 05:44.32 | starseeker | hehe, cool |
| 05:45.02 | starseeker | should probably sleep now... |
| 05:45.18 | ``Erik | I somehow doubt that 'jettison all politicians and "blind faith" party members into the nearest massive ancient nuclear explosion' is a viable plan |
| 05:45.42 | starseeker | entertaining though |
| 05:45.59 | ``Erik | yeh |
| 05:46.16 | ``Erik | <-- ponders building up an argument on why mike is anti-american to shake him up some |
| 05:46.43 | starseeker | Lifting that much mass though - oof. Something with so much density may be impossible to lift off of Earth's surface |
| 05:46.58 | ``Erik | see, here's where I'm confused |
| 05:47.05 | starseeker | is there anything denser than "blind faith" voters? |
| 05:47.15 | ``Erik | how can they have such dense skulls if there's nothing in them? |
| 05:47.25 | starseeker | yeah, it is interesting isn't it |
| 05:47.48 | starseeker | ``Erik: I've never seen mike successfully shaken up, but it would be an interesting exercise |
| 05:48.09 | ``Erik | yeh, I was pondering vectors this evening |
| 05:48.58 | ``Erik | mostly hinged on declaring him anti-american... I got into a mental gymnastics roll after seeing what palin went and did |
| 05:49.45 | starseeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.49 | ``Erik | good thing pat changed projects, she might be liable to stab me if I went off like that infront of her :> |
| 05:49.59 | ``Erik | yeah, the, uh, 'teabaggers'... |
| 05:50.24 | starseeker | you actually had the fortitude to watch her? I'm impressed |
| 05:50.37 | ``Erik | clips on daily show and colbert report |
| 05:50.46 | starseeker | ah, the only safe context :-) |
| 05:51.10 | ``Erik | hey, daily show won an award for reporting... which is amusing, since they're a comedy show, not a news show |
| 05:51.48 | starseeker | ``Erik: the most irritating thing about the current situation is that NO party is or wants to be dealing with solving the hard problems |
| 05:52.18 | ``Erik | of course not, it's a lot easier to scream 'terror!!!!' and collect votes in 2 years |
| 05:52.30 | ``Erik | hard problems last longer than a term :/ |
| 05:52.38 | starseeker | They can't propose to cut this or raise taxes on that, since voters want all services and no taxes |
| 05:52.52 | ``Erik | and tend to be poorly portrayed, I think |
| 05:53.07 | ``Erik | here's one of the sick observations I've had recently... |
| 05:53.21 | starseeker | and you get more votes by maintaining that status quo - hard truths != more votes :-/ |
| 05:53.27 | ``Erik | nationalizing health care in the US will probably improve quality and lower taxes. |
| 05:53.59 | starseeker | nods - unless it's totally bungled I suspect that's true |
| 05:54.36 | ``Erik | the core thing that SHOULD be addressed is the gov't is providing artificial protections for abusive profiteering |
| 05:55.11 | starseeker | a hybrid approach to health care would be nationalizing research into treatments, but private compeition on things like pill production |
| 05:55.13 | ``Erik | SO, either remote the gov't monopolization incentives, or place constraints in exchange for those monopoly privs |
| 05:55.25 | ``Erik | s/remote/remove/ |
| 05:55.58 | starseeker | the fundamental problem is that health care is not a profit/loss game |
| 05:56.44 | ``Erik | there was a graph I saw that had life expectancy, dr office visits per year and cost per year per capita all in one interesting graph, the us was by far the most expensive and one of the worse services |
| 05:57.00 | starseeker | yep |
| 05:57.08 | ``Erik | should dig that up, thinks he saw it on hackernews |
| 05:57.23 | starseeker | here's one thing I've not seen anywhere - WHERE is all the money actually GOING? |
| 05:57.43 | ``Erik | executive bonuses and campaign donations, dur |
| 05:57.49 | starseeker | it's a huge portion of our national yearly expenses - OK, let's follow that money and see where it actually ends up |
| 05:57.52 | starseeker | <snort> |
| 05:57.55 | starseeker | yeah, probably |
| 05:58.47 | starseeker | to me, without that info, all the health care debates where primarly a combination of a few obvious principles that shouldn't be matters of debate and a lot of uninformed noise |
| 05:59.40 | ``Erik | yeh, both sides ignoring the pink elephant |
| 05:59.56 | starseeker | wants a genie bottle so he can wish for eduated, informed, critically thinking voters |
| 06:00.01 | ``Erik | in the room |
| 06:00.10 | ``Erik | move to sweden? heh Oo |
| 06:00.12 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 06:00.14 | ``Erik | :D *duck* |
| 06:00.24 | starseeker | heh - point |
| 06:00.31 | starseeker | need to specify US |
| 06:01.45 | ``Erik | I d'no, sweden and finland have some damn hot girls |
| 06:02.03 | ``Erik | and fiber to every house, and good health care, and low crime rates, and ... |
| 06:02.33 | ``Erik | just gotta say "borkborkbork" a lot |
| 06:02.43 | starseeker | O.o |
| 06:03.33 | ``Erik | I think cats have a special 6th sense that helps them determine the exact center of the area you hope to occupy |
| 06:03.56 | starseeker | lol |
| 06:03.59 | starseeker | no question |
| 06:04.38 | starseeker | well, gotta get some rest - mad dash to stores, assuming they ever finished plowing the road |
| 06:04.56 | ``Erik | heh, good luck with that O.o I'm staying put for the next week. |
| 06:05.39 | starseeker | didn't stock up for a week - apparently those people with loaded carts were more up on things than I was |
| 06:07.06 | ``Erik | heh |
| 06:07.11 | ``Erik | I have about of month of food |
| 06:07.31 | ``Erik | hit the store last wednesday, and again today |
| 06:08.29 | ``Erik | and managed to drive my car through exactly what I saw a 4wd truck get stuck in, good thing I cut my teeth on gravel and snow back in washington learning to drive O.o |
| 06:09.41 | ``Erik | the noise of hitting stuff with the bottom of that car, though... sucks ass... and the leg cramps after the 1.5 or so miles of clutch work, owwww |
| 07:48.54 | poolio | sounds like you guys are having a ton of fun in MD :) |
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| 14:13.55 | ``Erik | ohhhhh, power7 is out *drool* |
| 14:41.33 | starseeker | grr - even on a 10.5.8 box, I'm not getting the Mac input bug |
| 14:42.03 | ``Erik | funky |
| 14:42.10 | ``Erik | so you can rotate the wireframe? |
| 14:42.14 | ``Erik | with the mouse? |
| 14:42.17 | starseeker | yes |
| 14:42.35 | starseeker | veeeeery slow, but successful |
| 14:42.42 | brlcad | that's odd |
| 14:42.43 | brlcad | using X11? |
| 14:42.46 | starseeker | yep |
| 14:43.10 | brlcad | wants a power7 |
| 14:43.29 | starseeker | dunno if it matters, but it's XQuartz 2.1.6 (xorg-server 1.4.2-apple33) |
| 14:44.06 | ``Erik | hm, I have xquartz 2.4.0 |
| 14:44.17 | brlcad | i'll check against mine |
| 14:45.42 | ``Erik | updated and is compiling/installing on his personal box |
| 14:46.11 | ``Erik | pretty sure I saw it both on my work desktop mac pro and my own macbook... O.o |
| 14:47.05 | ``Erik | heh, woops, my arm mahcine thinks it's 2032 |
| 14:48.16 | starseeker | More details - Mac OS X 10.5.8 (9L31a), Kernel Version: Darwin 9.8.0 |
| 14:51.04 | starseeker | annoying - the one thing I thought I could work from home for the next release, and I can't reproduce the darn thing |
| 14:51.13 | ``Erik | fwiw: http://paste.lisp.org/display/94638 |
| 14:53.42 | starseeker | Hmm - I did enable all, but not sure why that would matter... also didn't do enable-optimized |
| 14:54.02 | ``Erik | might be a flaw with the system tk or our use of it |
| 14:54.10 | ``Erik | and might be an optimized bug, too :D |
| 14:55.27 | ``Erik | is taking the week off due to snow and going to try to minimize his efforts on BRL-CAD to help avoid burnout... but will play test dummy for ya |
| 14:56.06 | starseeker | no problem - I'll be trying to head in to work here in a few minutes anyhow |
| 14:57.07 | ``Erik | if it weren't supposed to star tsnowing around noon, I woulda tried heading in already |
| 14:57.28 | ``Erik | <-- would rather be trapped at home than at work :D |
| 14:58.26 | ``Erik | cats, food, bed, tv, reliable power, booze... an obvious decision :D |
| 14:59.46 | ``Erik | huh, mged throws bus errors at me now |
| 15:00.59 | ``Erik | dm init error |
| 15:02.01 | ``Erik | dm-X.c:360 |
| 15:02.22 | ``Erik | nifty *shrug* *goes back to compiling crap on arm) |
| 15:02.29 | ``Erik | s/)/*/ |
| 15:04.43 | ``Erik | oh, starseeker, if'n ya decide to install sbcl through macports, make sure to specify the threads variant "port install sbcl +threads" |
| 15:17.58 | ``Erik | bwahahaha, poor kitties, getting tossed in the snow :D |
| 15:18.29 | ``Erik | he tried to wander off in it, she jumped inside and bolted up the stairs O.o |
| 15:43.53 | brlcad | starseeker: did you verify edcodes/ted/etc in mged -c mode? |
| 15:44.28 | brlcad | if not, that's something to check on, if only to make sure it does something sensible/useful |
| 15:46.20 | brlcad | still can't get to work if he wanted to outside of taking a cab or walking |
| 15:48.04 | brlcad | buried in on a slanted incline on a road that still hasn't been plowed (and probably won't be until next week) |
| 15:59.14 | ``Erik | whups, one of the step directories doesn't have a distclean rule |
| 16:00.03 | ``Erik | heh, yeh, I ended up driving ontop of snow :( I drove through stuff I saw a 4wd truck stuck in... listening to the crap scrape the bottom of my car sucked and the clutch work to keep forward momentum cramped up a muscle I didn't even know I had like a mofo |
| 16:00.49 | ``Erik | (after the exciting drive, decided to apply for leave for hte rest of the week and stock up on food&booze, w00t |
| 16:00.52 | ``Erik | ) |
| 16:01.15 | ``Erik | shoulda made indianlarry give me a couple cigars |
| 16:27.57 | starseeker | brlcad: I have not, yet |
| 16:28.54 | starseeker | checking... |
| 16:28.57 | starseeker | works OK on Mac |
| 16:29.23 | starseeker | finishes depositing groceries and gets back on the road - this time to work |
| 16:38.02 | ``Erik | starseeker: if you get a moment, could you make a 'build' directory with a bunch of subdirs, then do builds of various permutations to see if you can replicate it? --enable-all vs normal, optimized vs nonoptimized, etc? |
| 16:38.09 | ``Erik | moment, hour, whatever :D |
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| 18:31.28 | ``Erik | heh, all done with ae, brlcad? |
| 18:43.02 | ``Erik | feck. wow is down. :/ |
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| 19:54.41 | starseeker | ``Erik: heh - sometimes I'm amazed your cats put up with you |
| 19:55.15 | starseeker | ours would be Very Mad after a show toss |
| 19:56.28 | ``Erik | was less a toss, more a ginger set |
| 19:56.36 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 19:57.07 | starseeker | finds it mindly hilarous that the girl dashed upstairs and the boy wandered into it... |
| 19:57.24 | ``Erik | different attitudes |
| 19:57.35 | ``Erik | he's very much a hunter, she's very much a ... daddys girl |
| 19:57.42 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 19:58.20 | ``Erik | she MUST curl up where I want to put the laptop, he lays on the scratch tower across the room |
| 19:58.41 | ``Erik | he's also the first one to bolt into the garage, but she's the peskier one to extradite |
| 19:58.54 | starseeker | heh |
| 19:59.13 | ``Erik | how was the drive? the roads here are looking almost halfway decent, so I'm imagining it was smooth sailing once you hit a major road? |
| 20:00.16 | ``Erik | yeah, 2^n permutation set on the mac to try to isolate the bug... if you cannot replicate it, I'll do the same, uh, tuesday on a machine that exhibits |
| 20:00.36 | ``Erik | out of dir builds ftw :D |
| 20:01.06 | starseeker | will try on Sarah's box if he's snowed in tomorrow - my box here doesn't exhibit it |
| 20:01.10 | ``Erik | got a bus error on his home box starting mged, somewhere in libdm |
| 20:01.14 | starseeker | ow |
| 20:01.28 | ``Erik | dpy width extraction |
| 20:01.34 | ``Erik | scroll up... :D |
| 20:01.45 | starseeker | drive was OK once on major roads |
| 20:02.06 | starseeker | getting out was mindly annoying - getting in will be where the real fun is |
| 20:02.52 | ``Erik | like bob mentioned, with an auto, the trick is to apply a little break while still moving to shift the wheels both back into drive |
| 20:03.12 | ``Erik | if'n ya move the gas pedal more than, y'know, a quarter inch, you're probably doing it wrong |
| 20:03.28 | starseeker | nods |
| 20:03.59 | ``Erik | um, in neutral, slooooowwly put pressure on the gas pedal, the second you hear the engine wind up, tha'ts the most pedal you should use in heavy snow |
| 20:04.08 | ``Erik | like, change rpm at all |
| 20:05.21 | ``Erik | if you had a clutch, tha'td be another control variable... but ya don't... O.o |
| 20:05.35 | starseeker | prefers dry pavement |
| 20:05.53 | ``Erik | isn't sure he touched his gas pedal at all until he was on good enough ground to contemplate second gear |
| 20:06.03 | ``Erik | other than pop revs to warm the engine up a bit |
| 20:06.29 | ``Erik | or adolescent showboating, take your pick |
| 20:07.25 | starseeker | some of the hills where I live, idle won't move the car up them - haven't calculated it, but it's entirely possible that any force sufficient to climb the hill, given the weight of the car, would be too much for the slush under the worst conditions |
| 20:08.02 | ``Erik | wants to drive hard on warm dry asphalt or cement to see what the difference is... kinda imagines that snow is like a very very slow version of high speed track |
| 20:08.18 | ``Erik | yeh, I had to go ballstic for a bit |
| 20:08.33 | ``Erik | scary as hell, getting that much speed up, but I brrrrrrly cleared the hill |
| 20:08.48 | ``Erik | (and it is pretty much ballistic at that point) |
| 20:09.05 | starseeker | heard a story from one of the neighbors about a time when a school bus crested the hill and ended up in the field at the end of the street |
| 20:09.48 | ``Erik | traction control flashing, etc... then was all freaked out cuz there was a truck coming so I couldn't safely run the light at 1mph... ended up geting infront of him anyways |
| 20:10.04 | starseeker | yeek |
| 20:10.21 | ``Erik | not the first time I ran that sign to avoid being stuck... fortunately, he was going very slow, too |
| 20:11.40 | ``Erik | cresting is especially dangerous, you reduce the down force, further reducing any traction you may've had |
| 20:12.38 | ``Erik | if the physic geek can correlate the controls to the ground, there's an advantage... so if you can learn that the gas pedal is not a boolean input device, there's hope! |
| 20:13.58 | starseeker | that also requires muscular control of the foot petal that may be beyond my dexterity |
| 20:15.06 | ``Erik | heh |
| 20:15.16 | ``Erik | hm, was spposed to start snowing at about noon, it's still not |
| 20:15.26 | starseeker | works for me |
| 20:15.43 | ``Erik | shoulda taken the drivers seat when ya got mudded in :> |
| 20:15.52 | starseeker | indeed |
| 20:16.08 | starseeker | but then we wouldn't have gotten Bob all mud splattered before his demo |
| 20:16.28 | ``Erik | nah, but we'd have gotten you mud splattered ;> |
| 20:16.44 | starseeker | is sorry he missed some of the other car extraction efforts that must have gone on down there |
| 20:16.53 | starseeker | judging from the terrain, I wasn't the only one |
| 20:17.13 | ``Erik | the red van was a lost cause, I think the owner got a ride from someone else |
| 20:17.50 | ``Erik | they were fighting to remove it as bob pulled out and left... he wasn't about to offer and I guess they didn't ask O.o |
| 20:17.51 | starseeker | anticipates a nice round of it after this snow melts - that'll be some very wet grond |
| 20:17.58 | ``Erik | was a bit irritating, they were blocking my way out that day :) |
| 20:18.01 | starseeker | heh |
| 20:18.25 | ``Erik | the lot on the other side of the amsaa building almost always has spots on asphalt... |
| 20:18.42 | starseeker | that's where I am today - very last one in the corner |
| 20:19.19 | ``Erik | are bob or daytona in? |
| 20:19.45 | starseeker | Bob's in |
| 20:19.55 | starseeker | daytona? |
| 20:20.13 | ``Erik | yeh, old guy, glasses... upstairs... comes to lunch with us a lot... sometimes goes by john |
| 20:20.20 | starseeker | ah - dunno |
| 20:21.04 | ``Erik | well, would bob be interested in helping me with a tree? I have an eastern red ceder I think, it might not survive, mebbe 12-14', might have t be cut down and hauled to the lawn waste thingie |
| 20:21.30 | ``Erik | unless someone wnats it for firewood or, y'know, guitar wood and it can't be saved |
| 20:21.31 | starseeker | will ask |
| 20:21.48 | starseeker | could line a closet with it... |
| 20:22.22 | ``Erik | if the tree is a goner, I'd like to give it to someone who could use it instead of paying to have it taken away, y'know? |
| 20:24.25 | ``Erik | (btw, eastern red cedar is NOT cedar, it's a tree-like version of a juniper bush) |
| 20:24.55 | starseeker | ah |
| 20:24.57 | starseeker | pity |
| 20:25.09 | ``Erik | it's a lovely decorative tree |
| 20:25.27 | starseeker | can you just cut it down if it has to be cut, and then haul it after the snow is gone? |
| 20:25.44 | starseeker | (says he might be able to help - probably better talk to him direct) |
| 20:25.49 | ``Erik | theoretically, yeah |
| 20:26.05 | ``Erik | pm me his office 4 digit |
| 20:27.00 | starseeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.13 | ``Erik | hah |
| 20:27.23 | starseeker | did I do that right? |
| 20:27.30 | ``Erik | no, you had a space infront |
| 20:27.32 | ``Erik | otherwise, it was ok |
| 20:27.33 | starseeker | crud |
| 20:27.51 | ``Erik | "/msg" is right, " /msg" goes to chan |
| 20:27.58 | starseeker | humph |
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| 20:50.59 | starseeker | was tmk the tcl based make system someone referred to earlier? |
| 20:51.45 | starseeker | (the irony for us of course is that such a system could be used only after tcl/tk were already built) |
| 20:54.34 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.26 | starseeker | hmm? you mean convert tcl scripts to C code? |
| 20:55.32 | ``Erik | yeh |
| 20:56.16 | ``Erik | the less tcl in our system, the less work to become agnostic, or migrate, right? |
| 20:56.37 | starseeker | in theory, but autogenerated code seldom helps that process |
| 20:56.47 | ``Erik | the more agnostic, the less dependant on some oddball build system |
| 20:56.57 | ``Erik | <-- is way out in theory |
| 20:57.54 | ``Erik | yeh, the generated source would be fugly... but it's already "proven", and an apt target for redefining in 'proper' C... |
| 20:58.33 | ``Erik | with very well defined inputs and outputs and a 'reference' implementation, a perfection "junior hacker" task |
| 20:58.49 | ``Erik | or am I being r-tarded? |
| 20:59.29 | ``Erik | btw, tell bob I have a shark saw, not a bow saw :/ |
| 20:59.39 | starseeker | k |
| 20:59.58 | ``Erik | still just a minute or two to go through it |
| 21:00.11 | starseeker | hmm - will have to check this out when I get a computer back: http://remesh.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:00.32 | ``Erik | didja do the permutation compile for the input bug? |
| 21:00.40 | starseeker | no, not yet |
| 21:00.57 | ``Erik | I think that might be the next logical step in chasing that bug |
| 21:01.02 | starseeker | nods |
| 21:01.18 | starseeker | kinda expecting to be snowed in tomorrow, so that's a logical time to work on that |
| 21:01.21 | ``Erik | and something that's machine heavy and developer light, to boot |
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| 21:01.44 | ``Erik | is not permitted to work on work while not on premises, so does not. :) |
| 21:02.18 | ``Erik | without the multitude of 'work from home' paperwork with shitloads of signatures... |
| 21:02.42 | ``Erik | both admins pushed work from home HARD, but our local idiocracy fights it tooth and nail :( |
| 21:04.11 | starseeker | wonders why... |
| 21:04.36 | ``Erik | probably accountability |
| 21:05.04 | ``Erik | easier to prove taht someone was int he office warming a chair looking at, say, icanhascheezburger than to say someone was at home being productive |
| 21:26.32 | ``Erik | tell bob it just started to snow up here |
| 21:32.38 | starseeker | he just found out - someone called :) |
| 21:36.07 | ``Erik | getting light snowfall here, not sticking yet |
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| 22:13.00 | CIA-43 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37606 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/rtwizard/ (rtwizard.tcl tclIndex): rename the RtWizard class to RaytraceWizard so we can pull the utility script in here conflict-free |
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| 22:24.39 | brlcad | ``Erik: huh, apparently .. hadn't checked ae in a couple weeks, see that my account on epsilon seems to bhave been deleted |
| 22:24.49 | brlcad | still have beta though, the older of the two at that |
| 22:25.56 | brlcad | that dpy error in libdm is pretty common.. I see that on mine |
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| 22:41.55 | CIA-43 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37607 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/geometree/GeometryBrowser.tcl: remove stale comments. |
| 22:42.58 | CIA-43 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37608 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/geometree/geometree.tcl: make the geometree script stand-alone invokable as a script |
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| 22:52.02 | CIA-43 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37609 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): rename the rtwizard.tcl script to RaytraceWizard.tcl so it can match the namespace it defines. |
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| 23:08.21 | brlcad | hola jesica |
| 23:16.35 | CIA-43 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37610 10/brlcad/trunk/ (7 files in 3 dirs): move rtwizard's tcl and batch runner scripts into src/tclscripts |
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| 23:30.03 | brlcad | starseeker: are all of the current man1 pages ged commands, or are some of them manual page conversions? |
| 23:30.12 | brlcad | for non-mged commands |
| 23:31.29 | brlcad | hm, yeah, looks like the rt* docs are for the full-up binaries |
| 23:31.36 | brlcad | ah yeah, and mged itself |
| 23:31.48 | brlcad | so at least a few non-ged ones in there |
| 23:33.38 | ``Erik | brlcad: did I miss anything in not making it to the party? |
| 23:34.21 | brlcad | ``Erik: the party was cancelled .. due to slightly inclimate weather |
| 23:34.36 | brlcad | had some great foodage on hand, missed that :) |
| 23:35.16 | brlcad | homemade egg rolls that were just awesome, and yummy dips n' chips |
| 23:35.48 | ``Erik | dang |
| 23:35.55 | ``Erik | figrued it'd be scrubbed, but *shrug* |
| 23:36.39 | brlcad | but yeah.. it's been pretty bad down here (like it is everywhere else, of course) .. closest parking would have been the parking lot about 5 blocks away, then 5 blocks back through unplowed snow, slush, and ice |
| 23:37.30 | brlcad | today was really the first day anyone in anything other than a 4wd vehicle was really moving about and not many at that (<5%) |
| 23:38.42 | ``Erik | monday, paulette said that the frrst hill (where bob, cliff john and I are) wa teh big that got it the worst O.o |
| 23:40.23 | ``Erik | cliffy, is bob on the road yet? |
| 23:41.44 | brlcad | the problem in the city thusfar is that there is just noplace to put it all, there are walls all over the place |
| 23:42.27 | ``Erik | yeh, that was discussion on monday... talking about how sometimes cities use semi's to haul snow out to rivers/bays/ |
| 23:43.14 | brlcad | yeah, they did that for the 2003 blizzard, dumping snow into the harbor |
| 23:43.32 | brlcad | just takes a really LONG time to clear things out |
| 23:43.54 | brlcad | saw some pics for friends, they've been working on the downtown area first apparently, trucks haven't even hit up canton yet |
| 23:44.00 | ``Erik | ayup |
| 23:44.02 | brlcad | not even a quick pass |
| 23:44.13 | ``Erik | how deep is it down there? was up mid thigh up here |
| 23:44.27 | brlcad | yeah, about that much |
| 23:44.35 | ``Erik | the difference between here and work was staggering, just shin high on post |
| 23:44.37 | brlcad | above knee for sure, about three feetish |
| 23:44.43 | brlcad | wow |
| 23:45.14 | ``Erik | aight, thigh high on brlcad is what, knee high on a normal person... :> *duck* *run* *hide* |
| 23:45.57 | ``Erik | apg was mebbe a foot high tops |
| 23:46.06 | ``Erik | and they closed friday |
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