| 00:00.01 | yukonbob | hrmm... |
| 00:00.25 | yukonbob | well, if it doesn't need work, there's no point in tweaking it :/ |
| 00:02.39 | louipc | erik said that the one included in brl-cad is an old one |
| 00:03.01 | yukonbob | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.08 | louipc | so I assume older than old, so I thought that was funny |
| 00:53.10 | starseeker | mutters under his breath - now he gets to find out how mature support is for amd64 in gentoo |
| 00:53.37 | starseeker | if the snow ever melts, anyway... wow |
| 01:34.38 | starseeker | heh, awesome quote: The IBM Model M keyboard - it's like a gigantic tailpipe for geeks. |
| 01:52.39 | ``Erik | looks like BRL-CAD has jove 2.1, the latest JOVE release was 4.16.0.70 in '06, |
| 01:54.40 | ``Erik | looks like there're references in our fork going back to '83 |
| 01:57.20 | ``Erik | starseeker: fbsd rocks the opteron :D |
| 01:58.12 | ``Erik | (iirc, jove existed in the BRL-CAD repo a couple years before actual BRL-CAD code was checked in...) |
| 02:30.21 | starseeker | ``Erik: well, with a 1 terabyte drive I can probably afford a few extra partitions for alternatives |
| 02:30.49 | starseeker | would like to figure out how to dual-boot the Windows 7 to save it, but doesn't know if it's practical |
| 02:30.51 | ``Erik | some systems stop at 4 |
| 02:30.55 | starseeker | may not have install disks |
| 02:31.39 | ``Erik | thinks he has a 95b disk if ya want |
| 02:31.43 | starseeker | cheaped out - wasn't prepared to pony up for a workhorse |
| 02:31.46 | starseeker | heh |
| 02:32.01 | starseeker | I mean the install disks for Win 7 |
| 02:32.15 | starseeker | doesn't know if the partition can be shrunk successfully |
| 02:32.24 | ``Erik | I MIGHT have some dos and win3.1 floppies somewhere, but I'd have to dig |
| 02:32.48 | starseeker | <snort> Yeah, let's see you compile BRL-CAD on Win 3.1 - I dare ya ;-) |
| 02:33.01 | ``Erik | heh |
| 02:33.22 | starseeker | ponied up the money to get two of the modern USB variations of the Model M |
| 02:33.22 | ``Erik | I'd rather spend my time on a far more useful and modern system, like bsd43 on a vax11/780 :D should find that disk image... |
| 02:33.33 | starseeker | Unicomp Customizer 101 or some such |
| 02:33.39 | ``Erik | never liked the old ibm M |
| 02:33.51 | starseeker | really? |
| 02:33.57 | starseeker | loves it |
| 02:34.09 | starseeker | (everyone in the same room hates it, of course...) |
| 02:34.18 | ``Erik | I DO like the old sun type5, the 'jelly' apple kbd I use at work, the mid 90's mitsumi precision pro and the old c64 |
| 02:34.36 | ``Erik | see, I like a quiet light touch but fast responding kbd |
| 02:34.46 | starseeker | saw an npr piece from June 09 indicating that the company was having trouble making ends meet, so figured to get 'em while they still had 'em |
| 02:35.07 | starseeker | heh, actually one of the two I got was a quiet version |
| 02:35.24 | ``Erik | the type5 had a decent 'feel', plus it had keys in the right place |
| 02:35.37 | ``Erik | np caps lock, escape by the 1, ctl by the a... |
| 02:35.46 | starseeker | nods |
| 02:36.18 | ``Erik | the apple kbd's pressure ramp is a bit stiff at first for me |
| 02:36.21 | starseeker | I think it's partially what you're used to - Sarah hates my original Model M, but I'm not too crazy about this relativly tiny Mac keyboard |
| 02:36.42 | ``Erik | could be worse, I'm using a macbook kbd right now :( |
| 02:36.47 | starseeker | ow |
| 02:36.54 | ``Erik | the keys are completely flat and spaced apart |
| 02:37.36 | starseeker | would have cheerfully hung adapters on his original Model M to the end of time, but eventually I'll buy a machine without a PS/2 slot and apparently the old keyboards draw a bit too much power for USB |
| 02:37.56 | ``Erik | indianlarry put his mac on a kvm and is using a dull kbd, so'z I stoleded his apple kbd for home O.O |
| 02:38.01 | ``Erik | heh |
| 02:38.05 | starseeker | hehe |
| 02:38.13 | ``Erik | my mitsumi pro is a big honkin' din plug into a ps/2 adapter |
| 02:38.23 | ``Erik | and I'm pondering putting THAT into a usb adapter to keep using it |
| 02:38.32 | starseeker | that's what I researched |
| 02:38.49 | starseeker | dunno about the mitsumi, but if it's a power hog it can be a problem |
| 02:39.28 | ``Erik | doubt it is, it's a pretty basic membrane with the little 8k series controller |
| 02:39.53 | ``Erik | http://jope.fi/amiga/amikbd/mitsumi128top.jpg |
| 02:40.15 | ``Erik | with different caps, that's a bit...amigified |
| 02:41.01 | starseeker | yeah, that looks pretty mild |
| 02:41.10 | ``Erik | also, mine's really nasty and dirty, been quite a while since I've cleaned it... :D used to tear it aprt and throw most of it in the dishwasher once every few years |
| 02:41.12 | starseeker | likes keyboards that could pass for military hardware :-P |
| 02:41.32 | starseeker | nods - my keyboard's long overdue for that, I'm sure |
| 02:42.30 | ``Erik | lucked out with the mitsumi, bought it in the mid 90's as a 'cheap' kbd from sears, but the keys don't rattle or jiggle and it's still going strong |
| 02:43.14 | starseeker | that was a luckout - I kinda remember that era for it's really cheap crappy Gateway keyboards |
| 02:43.23 | ``Erik | heh, yeah |
| 02:43.23 | starseeker | university had a bunch - drove me nuts |
| 02:43.46 | ``Erik | the place I worked in the late 90's, we had boxes full of cheap keyboards, would regularly break them, throw one out and take another out of the box |
| 02:43.55 | starseeker | felt like typing on some kind of cheap plastic packaging |
| 02:44.09 | starseeker | tremendous waste of raw materials |
| 02:44.16 | ``Erik | think they were dell, not gateway |
| 02:44.44 | ``Erik | dell has really picked their act up the last few years, the kbd's when I got to arl were shite, these most recent are almost usable |
| 02:44.47 | starseeker | probably both - I'm sure keyboard cost cutting must have been a big thing around then... |
| 02:45.01 | starseeker | yeah, it's getting a little more tolerable now |
| 02:45.26 | ``Erik | I'm sure I have a 5 year old one sitting around somewhere if'n ya wanna be mortified |
| 02:45.35 | starseeker | blegh |
| 02:45.45 | ``Erik | I hate to say it, but it's not too different from the o2 keyboard. :( |
| 02:45.48 | starseeker | just paid over $100 for two good ones :-P |
| 02:46.10 | starseeker | O2 was stylish but got run over pretty quickly by Moore |
| 02:46.15 | ``Erik | the machine case for sgi was effin' brilliant, the monitors were decent, but the kbd and mice seemed... retro. in a bad way. |
| 02:47.02 | starseeker | thinks the best case design he has ever seen was the grey Mac G4 tower cases - soooo easy to get at everything |
| 02:47.03 | ``Erik | recalls the indy having pretty crummy input devices, too... but with SPECKLED plastic and an sgi logo, so worth the couple hundred bucks premium... |
| 02:47.15 | ``Erik | so you haven't seen the o2's guts |
| 02:47.22 | ``Erik | or mebbe a prioris |
| 02:47.34 | ``Erik | or a sun u2 |
| 02:47.58 | starseeker | why, easier to work then the Mac case? That's pretty impressive |
| 02:48.16 | ``Erik | g4 tower was the clear roundish one with the handles, right? |
| 02:48.36 | ``Erik | the g5 pro and intel mac pro are okish |
| 02:48.52 | starseeker | right - side panel folded down and everything was right there - no messing with getting covers off, no working inside cases... |
| 02:49.06 | starseeker | simple and effective |
| 02:49.09 | ``Erik | yeah, that's normal for *nix machines... |
| 02:49.27 | ``Erik | the old sun pizza boxes literally opened up like a pizza box, with bits on the top and bottom, all right there |
| 02:49.39 | starseeker | how come the PCs never catch on? |
| 02:49.43 | ``Erik | u2, jut slide the top back, it popped off and everything was right there |
| 02:49.55 | ``Erik | cuz there's a pc repair shop industry to support? :D |
| 02:50.16 | ``Erik | the o2 has most things removable without opening the case, there're levers on the back that slide the cards out |
| 02:50.16 | starseeker | heh - thought they had that convered with the custom, non-standard power supply connectors |
| 02:50.41 | ``Erik | the powersupply has no wires hanging out, it just pops out as a single block |
| 02:51.24 | starseeker | was pondering getting a low end Dell or HP, but then remembered the habit big producers have of doing one-off hardware (like that infamous Dell power connector with messed up pins that would still plug into standard boards) |
| 02:51.29 | ``Erik | the prioris was an x86, so it was a bit messy, but two thumb screws and it opens up, you could remove the memory, cpus, etc without any significant effort, even if you have fat fingers/hands :D |
| 02:51.31 | starseeker | and fry things... |
| 02:52.46 | starseeker | ended up with a low end gaming machine - it's at least expected that the user will upgrade things in such a box |
| 02:53.12 | starseeker | heh - thumb screws - nowadays that comes under the heading "sales" |
| 02:54.11 | ``Erik | http://www.anfa.org/image.php?img=563 looks like it has two dec prioris' on the left, one on the other |
| 02:54.16 | ``Erik | good coffee tables |
| 02:55.19 | starseeker | heh - still need to get a cray off of ebay and convert it into a fishtank or something :-) |
| 02:55.30 | ``Erik | oh, the amusing thing, the machine was built to run nt... was impossible to get nt running on it, but linux just kicked right up (and showed TWO penguins on the boot screen) |
| 02:55.38 | starseeker | lol |
| 02:55.47 | ``Erik | stealing my crayquarium idea? O.o |
| 02:56.15 | ``Erik | wow, christopher in walken "balls of fury"... just... wow... |
| 02:56.30 | starseeker | ? |
| 02:56.42 | ``Erik | comedy show about pingpong |
| 02:56.48 | starseeker | ah |
| 02:56.57 | ``Erik | movie |
| 02:57.00 | starseeker | thought the kittens had gone beserk again |
| 02:57.12 | starseeker | "balls of fury" |
| 02:58.30 | ``Erik | yes. christopher walken is in my cats. he possesses them and makes them talk about needing more cowbell. :D |
| 02:58.37 | ``Erik | :D |
| 03:00.06 | starseeker | that's a scary thought |
| 04:27.43 | yukonbob | saw Balls of Fury in the theatre ;) |
| 04:28.57 | ``Erik | so sorry |
| 04:29.36 | yukonbob | heheh it's -funny- |
| 04:29.52 | yukonbob | "Ping pong, or, as the Chinese say, 'Ping Pong'" |
| 04:30.31 | ``Erik | walken and maggie q were good, got a bit of a kick out of terry crews... jim hong got stale fast, and whoever that, uh, 'dan fogler' is, wtf? |
| 04:30.33 | yukonbob | went for Christopher Walken. |
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| 05:50.55 | QAChip1 | hallo all |
| 05:51.19 | QAChip1 | any one reading? |
| 05:51.45 | cjdevlin | sure |
| 05:52.54 | cjdevlin | what's up? |
| 05:53.04 | QAChip1 | I read about an issue when compiling BRL, I downloaded source code, but before compiling and installing, I want to ask if you know something about |
| 05:54.24 | cjdevlin | i am brand new to it myself, so if you had the same issue i did, i can help |
| 05:55.35 | QAChip1 | what issue you had? |
| 05:56.46 | cjdevlin | make was failing b/c of a "missing" include. |
| 05:57.56 | QAChip1 | I think that was the issue i read about |
| 05:58.07 | QAChip1 | and how did you fix that? |
| 06:00.58 | cjdevlin | src/other/openNURBS/opennurbs_system.h |
| 06:01.48 | cjdevlin | @ line 246: #include<cstddef.h> |
| 06:02.52 | QAChip1 | which version of BRL did you download? I downloaded 7.16.4, is it the same? |
| 06:03.17 | cjdevlin | for the sake of asking, what version are you working with? and did you download the source or the binary? |
| 06:03.28 | cjdevlin | and what os and gcc version? |
| 06:03.48 | QAChip1 | haha, we are in the same channel, |
| 06:04.18 | QAChip1 | I'm on Fedora 11, kernel 2.6.30...., |
| 06:04.43 | cjdevlin | to get gcc version, at the command line: gcc -v |
| 06:04.56 | QAChip1 | gcc versión 4.4.1 20090725 (Red Hat 4.4.1-2) (GCC) |
| 06:05.18 | cjdevlin | ok. did that resolve your issue? |
| 06:05.26 | QAChip1 | not tried |
| 06:05.34 | QAChip1 | I was reading README |
| 06:05.39 | cjdevlin | ah |
| 06:07.18 | QAChip1 | line 246 is empty |
| 06:07.28 | cjdevlin | correct |
| 06:07.38 | cjdevlin | should be just above #include<new> i think |
| 06:08.03 | QAChip1 | yes, @247 #include <new> // for declaration of placement versions of new used in onClassArray<>. |
| 06:08.39 | QAChip1 | then? sustitute <new> with <cstddef.h>? |
| 06:08.45 | cjdevlin | #include<cstddef.h> should go above it |
| 06:08.50 | cjdevlin | do not replace, just add |
| 06:08.54 | QAChip1 | ok |
| 06:09.26 | QAChip1 | done |
| 06:09.43 | QAChip1 | then ./ configure, make make install? |
| 06:10.28 | CoconutCrab | so they still haven't fixed this yet |
| 06:10.30 | cjdevlin | ./configure, make test, make, sudo make install (for system-wide installation) |
| 06:10.50 | cjdevlin | the devs here said that it is a gcc bug, not brl cad |
| 06:10.56 | cjdevlin | i don't know enough to argue either way |
| 06:11.23 | CoconutCrab | I mean GCC |
| 06:11.28 | CoconutCrab | in 4.4.1 |
| 06:11.49 | cjdevlin | not sure. QA stated he wanted to modify before he attempted |
| 06:14.00 | QAChip1 | I said i read about this issue, and you said you had this issue, then I assumed it was the same, added line 246 and now trying to install, if it reports any problem, will be back here |
| 06:14.25 | cjdevlin | works for me. adding it explicitly there shouldn't hurt |
| 06:16.25 | QAChip1 | ./configure now |
| 06:19.23 | QAChip1 | I think I lack some dev files |
| 06:19.47 | cjdevlin | what is the output/error |
| 06:21.37 | QAChip1 | at the end> configure: error: *** compiler cannot create working executables, check config.log *** |
| 06:21.47 | QAChip1 | im reading, configure.log |
| 06:22.13 | CoconutCrab | are you using linux? if so, which distro? |
| 06:23.15 | cjdevlin | coconutcrab: he said fedora 11 |
| 06:23.23 | QAChip1 | linux Fedora 11 |
| 06:24.01 | QAChip1 | kernel 2.6.30.10-105.2.16 |
| 06:24.08 | CoconutCrab | ok, I am not familiar with redhat family |
| 06:24.56 | QAChip1 | ok, thx anyway, i'll keep on reading |
| 06:25.21 | cjdevlin | what did the log say? |
| 06:26.04 | CoconutCrab | I believe you will need to install some packages, not sure which though, on ubuntu it is build-essential or something like that |
| 06:26.34 | CoconutCrab | QAChip1: do you have gcc installed? |
| 06:27.02 | QAChip1 | yes, of course |
| 06:27.26 | QAChip1 | but with out DEV files |
| 06:27.32 | cjdevlin | http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=156569 |
| 06:27.38 | cjdevlin | that is what you are looking for |
| 06:27.53 | cjdevlin | the yum groupinstall is fedora syntax |
| 06:29.08 | QAChip1 | never tried that, lets give it a chance |
| 06:31.58 | cjdevlin | did you install gcc from source or via yum? |
| 06:32.28 | QAChip1 | via yum |
| 06:33.02 | QAChip1 | specifically, via software repositories |
| 06:33.07 | cjdevlin | ok. when it goes to install the rest, it will tell you that gcc is up to date |
| 06:33.19 | cjdevlin | so the yum groupinstall should still work |
| 06:33.36 | QAChip1 | yes, I saw I have many required packages, but lacked of many others |
| 06:34.15 | QAChip1 | hahah, install 42 packages [y/n] |
| 06:34.34 | QAChip1 | I lacked 42 packages |
| 06:35.26 | cjdevlin | yeah . . . many of them probably aren't going to be required for brl, but should be available for anyone who compiles from source |
| 06:36.45 | cjdevlin | particularly if you are running a newer box with the space for them |
| 06:37.15 | QAChip1 | No new box, but I have space |
| 06:37.44 | cjdevlin | build yourself a sandbox out of an older machine? |
| 06:37.47 | QAChip1 | in fact, I am not used to compile form src, but this time it is mandatory since no yum or rpm |
| 06:38.52 | QAChip1 | cjdevlin: I did not get that |
| 06:39.09 | QAChip1 | I mean, I did not understand that question |
| 06:39.37 | cjdevlin | sandbox == not a production/primary machine, a machine just to run random progs on that you don't have to worry about crashing |
| 06:40.03 | QAChip1 | mmm, no, this is my production machine |
| 06:40.09 | cjdevlin | ahh |
| 06:40.37 | QAChip1 | so far, it works like a charm, no stability issues |
| 06:43.31 | cjdevlin | the last time i used a 'fedora' install it was still regular old red hat and it was v9. i liked it back in the day, but found that the support around ubuntu is a bit faster. i've been using debian/ubuntu for a while now. also very stable. |
| 06:44.37 | QAChip1 | configure: failed program was: |
| 06:44.37 | QAChip1 | | /* confdefs.h. */ |
| 06:44.48 | QAChip1 | this is an issue raised in config.log |
| 06:48.40 | cjdevlin | install kernel-headers and glibc-devel packages with the Red Hat Package Manager, RPM. |
| 06:49.33 | cjdevlin | from this article: http://www.geektimes.com/linux/troubleshooting/c-cant-create-executables.html |
| 06:50.24 | QAChip1 | I'll have to wait, is is installing package 20/42 |
| 06:51.45 | cjdevlin | ahh, then glibc-devel is probably included in what you are installing. |
| 06:51.48 | QAChip1 | read that! thx |
| 06:52.23 | QAChip1 | anyway, will download devel packages from Red Hat's repos |
| 06:52.42 | QAChip1 | for further compilations |
| 06:53.12 | cjdevlin | hokay, i am going to take a coffee break. let us know how it goes . . . i'll still be around/up for a few hours if you need anything, but may not be near the irc |
| 06:55.23 | QAChip1 | ok, see you later |
| 06:55.31 | QAChip1 | ...hope so! |
| 06:56.31 | brlcad | waves |
| 06:58.11 | brlcad | good luck with the build! |
| 06:58.17 | brlcad | away for a bit, but do read backlog |
| 07:40.04 | QAChip1 | last output >- ./configure complete, type 'make' to begin building |
| 07:40.07 | QAChip1 | checking log |
| 07:42.36 | QAChip1 | BTW, I already have glibc-devel and kernel-headers |
| 07:48.24 | QAChip1 | I got some messages like this: conftest.cc:28:28: error: ac_nonexistent.h: No such file or directory |
| 07:48.26 | QAChip1 | configure:14012: $? = 1 |
| 07:48.26 | QAChip1 | configure: failed program was: |
| 07:48.26 | QAChip1 | | /* confdefs.h. */ |
| 07:48.32 | QAChip1 | any hint? |
| 08:02.29 | QAChip1 | cjdevlin: are you there? |
| 08:52.33 | QAChip1 | Issues on make benchmark, make test and thereby #make install |
| 08:55.58 | QAChip1 | will go to sleep, tomorow will add more time to install this, see you all tomorrow, and GO SAINTS! |
| 08:57.40 | QAChip1 | leaves the room with his eyes closed! |
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| 16:16.47 | ``Erik | oh, this is that 'superbowl' day, huh |
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| 23:00.51 | starseeker | is fried - whole day shoveling and not dug out yet |
| 23:03.02 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:03.04 | ``Erik | yeh |
| 23:03.10 | ``Erik | I have some more shovelling to do tomorrow |
| 23:03.33 | ``Erik | one of the neighbors went and used his snowblower on the entire cul de sac, since the plow that drove through made more of a mess than anything |
| 23:04.08 | ``Erik | perl causes me yet more strusfration. *sigh* |
| 23:15.43 | starseeker | doesn't know that he'll be in tomorrow - no plow in sight here |
| 23:16.29 | starseeker | haven't dug to the street - waiting for the big mound of snow at the end of the driveway from plow ;-) |
| 23:26.28 | ``Erik | yeh, I have a few things to take care of to get on the road, which is still all white |
| 23:26.41 | ``Erik | tree fell down in the wind and snow :/ |
| 23:38.59 | ``Erik | huh, there's a pickup with a flashing yellow light ontop and several people infront of it talking O.o I wonder if it's a dude telling people they need to move their trucks so the plow can come through |
| 23:41.11 | ``Erik | well, the yellow light truck is gone and the pickups are moving, must've been it |
