| 00:01.09 | starseeker | humph |
| 00:01.43 | starseeker | funny errors when building and installing, tk framebuffer does the same thing and now the libdm tk stuff wipes out |
| 00:03.21 | starseeker | so much for using the macosx dir with 8.5... plus it looks like it was something about the tcl/tk stubs that was causing the X* issues, not unix vs macosx |
| 00:03.31 | starseeker | so that whole trick might be unnecessary |
| 00:03.38 | starseeker | what a week |
| 00:03.53 | starseeker | hopes the 8.6 code does need the trick... |
| 00:20.30 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r37270 10/brlcad/branches/dmtogl/src/other/tk/unix/Makefile.in: Install script is always in the unix directory, so make sure the install rules know that. |
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| 01:51.04 | brlcad | louipc: neat machining |
| 02:50.53 | poolio | howdy all |
| 02:51.49 | poolio | louipc: I want one of those :) |
| 03:19.20 | brlcad | howdy poolio |
| 03:21.42 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37271 10/brlcad/trunk/src/external/ProEngineer/Makefile.am: include the new pro/e 5 build file in the dist |
| 03:23.03 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37272 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/Makefile.am: the included Makefile.am files have to be included in the dist too, else kablooey. |
| 03:27.18 | poolio | brlcad: I'm taking a graphics class this semester :D |
| 03:27.35 | brlcad | fantastic! |
| 03:28.03 | brlcad | should be great, one of my favorite classes :) |
| 03:28.44 | brlcad | only wish I knew what I know now about the things in BRL-CAD I could have used as a foundation for various projects we worked on |
| 03:29.34 | brlcad | feel free to work on things you're learning in the repo if you care to make a working graphics tool that we don't already have ;) |
| 03:33.42 | poolio | will do. Although I'm pretty sure BRL-CAD will have it all |
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| 03:41.57 | brlcad | poolio: nah, there is plenty we don't have, even from an intro course -- image processing filters, software rendering, various shaders, .. |
| 03:42.11 | brlcad | articulation tools |
| 03:42.24 | brlcad | depends what they cover, of course |
| 03:52.18 | ``Erik | the graphics course I went to was very heavy in opengl O.o but that was quite a while ago :) |
| 03:52.32 | ``Erik | graphics course at the school I went to, rather |
| 03:52.46 | ``Erik | I didn't actually take it, but I looked over my friends notes and assignments |
| 03:53.22 | ``Erik | scrapped up a quick sorbel filter for shits and giggles, mebbe should make an fb tool to do that O.o |
| 03:53.30 | brlcad | the second half of graphics, particularly the final project, is where I could have put it to good use |
| 03:55.22 | ``Erik | wonders what it'd take to pimp BRL-CAD as a foundation for uni courses to use O.o |
| 03:57.33 | brlcad | would probably want to demonstrate how it could be put to academic use for a given set of tasks, leaving many unimplemented -- like writing a new image filter tool, or a new shader, or a new primitive, or a new procdb, etc, showing how it can be applied to an academic setting |
| 03:58.58 | ``Erik | *shrug* idle thought |
| 04:02.40 | starseeker | brlcad: remind me to either disable the tk framebuffer for release or make it the non-preferred one by default - don't want to upset folk in the next release |
| 04:03.05 | brlcad | okay |
| 04:03.22 | brlcad | it's already not the default for mged, iirc |
| 04:03.31 | starseeker | might just turn it off in trunk and fight it out in dmtogl |
| 04:03.32 | brlcad | just have to make sure it's not the default for libfb |
| 04:03.36 | starseeker | right |
| 04:04.22 | starseeker | is gearing up for another attempt at TEA + configure.ac + Makefile.am... now that we're going to be tkhtml upstream it would REALLY be nice to get that working correctly |
| 04:04.59 | starseeker | dunno how much chance of success I have, but ever since that tkpng thing I've wanted to figure out how to do that right |
| 04:05.13 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37273 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/fb_generic.c: make sure the tk interface isn't the default |
| 04:05.24 | starseeker | oh, cool - thanks :-) |
| 04:05.26 | brlcad | tkhtml should be easy -- just make them an automake project and we're good |
| 04:05.33 | poolio | ``Erik: yeah...this course looks like it's entirely opengl foo |
| 04:05.50 | brlcad | er, non-libtool |
| 04:05.53 | starseeker | brlcad: right, but need to make sure the TEA path magic and whatnot is preserved |
| 04:06.09 | starseeker | uh, non-libtool? |
| 04:06.27 | poolio | if anyone cares, see: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/academic/class/15462-s09/www/ |
| 04:06.28 | brlcad | the main problem was that they don't provide libtool archive libraries |
| 04:06.37 | brlcad | if they did, we would have been golden |
| 04:06.45 | poolio | ``Erik: How bout industry acceptance? :P |
| 04:06.59 | starseeker | what about something like tkpng that needs to get config.cache values for things like libz from upstream? |
| 04:07.58 | starseeker | doesn't know what issues togl might also introduce... |
| 04:08.07 | starseeker | need a general solution |
| 04:11.25 | starseeker | poolio: perfect - to learn opengl, write a new libdm display manager based on togl ;-) |
| 04:12.38 | starseeker | <crickets chriping> |
| 04:13.01 | brlcad | if tkpng were a libtool project, it'd just get passed the libz.la as an ldflag |
| 04:13.10 | brlcad | the issue all stems from not using libtool |
| 04:13.23 | starseeker | ah, so we can integrate libtool at the configure.in level? |
| 04:13.36 | brlcad | via chainsaw |
| 04:13.58 | starseeker | is vaguely disquieted... |
| 04:15.17 | starseeker | ah, well - if it works it works, chainsawed in or not... |
| 04:15.47 | Ralith | starseeker: togl? |
| 04:16.01 | starseeker | Ralith: tcl/tk bindings to opengl |
| 04:16.07 | starseeker | has a C and a Tcl api |
| 04:16.15 | Ralith | o |
| 04:16.21 | starseeker | kinda the "standard" widget anyone uses when doing opengl in tcl/tk |
| 04:17.12 | Ralith | read it as "to gl" and thought someone had gotten a nice tesselator working or something |
| 04:17.17 | starseeker | hehe |
| 04:17.28 | starseeker | not yet, although keep an eye on ``Erik |
| 04:17.51 | starseeker | togl is for once we have that tesselator (and faster wireframe rotating...) |
| 04:18.17 | poolio | starseeker: heh, probably won't have the time. I'm probably just going to audit the course...really busy with research |
| 04:18.30 | starseeker | poolio: cool |
| 04:18.48 | poolio | but maybe in the future I'll have time :) |
| 04:19.37 | starseeker | decides sleep is the better part of common sense... - night all! |
| 04:24.41 | ``Erik | heh |
| 04:24.45 | ``Erik | hides |
| 04:25.12 | ``Erik | (industry acceptance vs uni usage is an interesting subject... very much positive feedback loops) |
| 04:27.24 | ``Erik | ralith: src/librt/primtives/nmg/nmg_tri_mc.c is the beginnings of a marching cubes tesselator |
| 04:31.49 | Ralith | cool |
| 04:32.14 | Ralith | isn't marching cubes really bad on nonorganic shapes, though? |
| 04:32.31 | ``Erik | probably |
| 04:32.46 | Ralith | seems like it'd really bungle any hard edges |
| 04:32.51 | ``Erik | yes |
| 04:33.03 | Ralith | and probably make non-aligned flat surfaces weird |
| 04:33.11 | ``Erik | but it's what I've been funded to work on, so *shrug* it's happening, and that's what starseeker was referring to :) |
| 04:33.17 | Ralith | 'kay |
| 04:33.34 | Ralith | I guess it doesn't have to be pretty to be a valuable modeling aid |
| 04:33.40 | ``Erik | no, flat surfaces should be ok... provided the nmg decimate routine does a decent job |
| 04:33.48 | ``Erik | but edges will be sloppy |
| 04:34.09 | ``Erik | start seeing a sawtooth pattern, I'd imagine |
| 04:34.18 | Ralith | ...oh, right, the algo interpolates |
| 04:35.46 | ``Erik | possibly sometime next week, the metaball primitive will be tesselating using the algo, shooting for the task to be 'done' in april |
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| 07:44.49 | Ralith | ooh, near-term! |
| 07:44.52 | Ralith | that will be fun to play with |
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| 14:40.48 | brlcad | that seems to do the trick |
| 14:40.54 | brlcad | clean distcheck, ready to go |
| 14:44.12 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37275 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: push some items down, not clear they'll actually get addressed in the next release. obj-g stalled, shelling ignored until marching cubes is done, dbfind isn't pressing. |
| 14:46.57 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37276 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: and it was even documented.. by me. sunofabitch. shaders.sh is now fixed, albeit by undoing the view initialization that broke it. will have to see what else falls out. |
| 15:57.04 | ``Erik | the shelling fix was kinda shuffled cuz I think it'll fall out of the stuff I'm doing over the next two weeks... O.o :) |
| 15:57.28 | ``Erik | and I have a feeling that I'm going to get annoyed answering questions about obj-g and just do it once I have that milestone met |
| 17:59.54 | brlcad | well I'm certainly not your scapegoat this month! |
| 18:00.17 | brlcad | you have samples that fail in abundance now |
| 18:01.36 | ``Erik | I do? samples? huh? |
| 18:04.12 | brlcad | yeah, I PM'd you links a few weeks ago |
| 18:04.22 | ``Erik | ohhh, obj files |
| 18:04.32 | ``Erik | I passed those along to,uh, the guy who's working on that now |
| 18:04.52 | brlcad | cool |
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| 18:05.36 | ``Erik | he kept asking about a formal specification, and looking at hte more esoteric bits... I kinda crapped on his parade and kept repeating that we just need enough to make our sample set work |
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| 18:09.58 | brlcad | I actually have a copy of the OBJ spec somewhere |
| 18:10.04 | brlcad | lemme see if I can dig it up |
| 18:10.28 | brlcad | if he wants to go hog wild and implement support for everything, I wouldn't stop him |
| 18:10.39 | brlcad | his OCD tendancies in that regard would be a win |
| 18:11.08 | brlcad | certainly better than spending all day "training" |
| 18:11.46 | brlcad | yep, there it be |
| 18:11.50 | brlcad | uploaded |
| 18:14.46 | ``Erik | um, I'm not int he office today, 4 day weekend, w00t :D |
| 18:14.52 | brlcad | ahh, okay |
| 18:15.01 | ``Erik | I think there's enough there to keep one or two ocd type folk busy for years |
| 18:15.12 | brlcad | still better than "training" |
| 18:15.15 | ``Erik | it's not step bad, but it goes to some nutty crap... bunches of nurbs crap, etc |
| 18:15.31 | ``Erik | heh, two full days in an auditorium for 'diversity training'? zomfg, wtff? |
| 18:18.42 | ``Erik | (so is this going to be the brlcad.org migration weekend?) |
| 18:24.31 | brlcad | good idea actually |
| 18:24.48 | brlcad | if I can get this release out today, that'll leave most of sun/mon for it |
| 19:07.23 | starseeker | ah ha - the Apache rivet code does have a configure.ac with TEA stuff in it :-) |
| 19:07.29 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r37277 10/brlcad/branches/dmtogl/src/other/incrTcl/ (198 files in 28 dirs): |
| 19:07.29 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: Update incrTcl to itcl-ng cvs version as of January 15, 2010. Unlike older |
| 19:07.29 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: incrTcl trees this appears to have its own configure.in script, so removing the |
| 19:07.29 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: Makefile.am logic - will have to switch BRL-CAD build logic to attempt a proper |
| 19:07.29 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: subconfigure, as of right now this won't build. |
| 19:07.34 | starseeker | woot |
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| 19:41.28 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r37278 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/draw.c: Fixed a typo. |
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| 19:48.11 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37279 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/draw.c: strrchr can return null, check for it. |
| 19:48.14 | brlcad | and that easily, bugs are introduced |
| 19:48.24 | brlcad | "Fixed a typo." |
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| 20:05.25 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37280 10/brlcad/trunk/ChangeLog: update Changelog in preparation for release 7.16.4 |
| 20:09.00 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r37281 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/draw.c: The previous typo fix was premature. We only need to check if the returned cp is NULL. |
| 20:29.05 | starseeker | ah! |
| 20:29.19 | starseeker | tcl.m4 goes in the m4 directory, not in the tclconfig directory |
| 21:01.09 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r37282 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/bot_dump.c: Remove undesired cp increment/advancement. |
| 21:16.03 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r37283 10/brlcad/branches/dmtogl/src/other/tkhtml3/ (20 files in 5 dirs): |
| 21:16.03 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: Not pretending this is remotely close to correct yet, but start working on a |
| 21:16.03 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: hybrid autotools/TEA build system for tkhtml3 using the Apache rivet work as a |
| 21:16.03 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: guide. Does NOT work. If we can actually get it working, the *.in files can |
| 21:16.03 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: go away. |
| 21:21.54 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r37284 10/brlcad/branches/dmtogl/src/other/tkhtml3/src/Makefile.am: Ah yes, these files are now in the same directory as the Makefile.am. |
| 21:45.25 | starseeker | brlcad: do we sync to STABLE? |
| 21:48.47 | brlcad | that should take us through step 5 of the release steps |
| 21:49.27 | brlcad | interesting .. recent commits aren't announced yet |
| 21:49.44 | brlcad | looks like last sync was r36843 |
| 21:50.24 | starseeker | nods |
| 21:50.32 | starseeker | doing initial checkout on crit now |
| 21:53.21 | starseeker | thinks sourceforge hates me today... |
| 21:57.44 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37285 10/brlcad/trunk/ (6 files in 6 dirs): bump to 7.16.4 for release. looks like we're good to go. |
| 22:08.13 | starseeker | will check back in a few hours and see if the STABLE checkout is ready for the merge command... |
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