| 00:25.54 | alecs1 | did I read Qt here? an interface replacing mged written with Qt? |
| 00:26.24 | alecs1 | fabulous |
| 00:27.49 | Ralith | indeed |
| 00:27.53 | Ralith | if the thing'll cooperate with ogre. |
| 00:30.14 | alecs1 | I wish you best of luck then; found you brl wiki page with google |
| 00:30.20 | alecs1 | I'll keep an eye on it |
| 00:30.28 | alecs1 | :) |
| 00:31.17 | Ralith | thanks |
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| 07:43.40 | elena | do you know why mged outputs text to stderr when in console mode? |
| 07:43.46 | elena | i use 7.10.4 |
| 07:46.16 | elena | i ran mged -cr something.g tops |
| 07:46.47 | elena | it displays: Opened in READ ONLY mode and the top objects. |
| 07:46.58 | elena | but on stderr. |
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| 11:06.13 | d-lo | Mornin all! |
| 11:06.17 | d-lo | *READREADREAD* |
| 11:07.31 | d-lo | Ralith: Whats the possibility of getting you to write up short blurbs about your ideas/approaches and dropping them in your log on the wiki? |
| 11:09.07 | d-lo | Ralith: I haven't taken a look at your problem (in code) so I have no idea how complex it would be to extend the Qt Class with the problem with your own homebrew. |
| 11:11.11 | d-lo | starseeker: Going to the gym nowadays? Rock on! |
| 11:13.05 | d-lo | ``Erik: Agreed. Goblinsharks are something straight out of a horror flick. |
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| 11:40.34 | magesing | Hi everyone, Suppose I have modelled a part, and now I want to make a manufacturing drawing so that I can machine it... How do I make the drawing and apply GD&T in BRL-CAD? |
| 11:41.48 | louipc | magesing: brl-cad doesn't have that capability |
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| 11:43.09 | magesing | louipc: hmm... that's a shame |
| 11:44.47 | magesing | Doesn't that kindof limit the utility of brl-cad as a CAD/CAM package? What's the use of designing a part if I have no way of transferring that data to the shop-floor? |
| 11:44.50 | louipc | yeah I'd like to see brl-cad more capable for drafting... but there needs to be willing and able developers to do that |
| 11:45.49 | magesing | hmm... I wonder what would be involved... Is it currently possible to render views of parts with visible edges solid and hidden edges dashed? |
| 11:45.50 | louipc | yeah it totally limits brl-cad |
| 11:46.51 | louipc | i'm not too sure about that one |
| 11:47.40 | louipc | you would still need some kind of draft editor, I don't trust computer generated drawings |
| 11:48.12 | magesing | if that is possible, then it's just a matter of writing a script to generate three orthographic views, then use some sort of external editor to add annotations |
| 11:49.20 | magesing | probably easiest to make a series of tools for inkscape or the gimp to add the annotations to a monochrome drawing |
| 11:50.35 | louipc | brlcad already has 2d sketch objects |
| 11:50.46 | louipc | something from that could be used |
| 11:57.41 | magesing | louipc: "The rtedge and rthide commands are used for hidden-line renderings similarr to what you'd want for generating drafting documents." --http://brlcad.org/wiki/FAQ |
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| 11:58.38 | magesing | i.e. I can generate images with rt-edge and rt-hide then use the image editor of my choice to annotate the drawings |
| 12:10.21 | louipc | I'd opt for different cad software if I had to do that for every drawing though. heh |
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| 13:51.38 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r34903 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: Added movement support for the right arm, and made a single function for creating an arm, instead of one for left and right sides. |
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| 15:23.41 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34905 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/killrefs.c: Update comments. |
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| 16:32.14 | ``Erik | effin' made me get a cast |
| 16:54.59 | indianlarry | /sb/ goto -40 |
| 16:55.07 | indianlarry | oops |
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| 17:24.46 | alecs1 | hi, archer fails to start with the following error: ERROR: Unable to initialize ArcherCore imagery |
| 17:25.03 | alecs1 | what could it be? |
| 17:26.00 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34906 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Mods related to Archer's undo (i.e. override commands that are not yet supported by undo). |
| 17:33.43 | alecs1 | ah, I looked now in the archer script and there is no message like this one |
| 17:34.09 | louipc | odd |
| 17:36.04 | louipc | alecs1: it's in src/tclscripts/archer/LoadArcherLibs.tcl |
| 17:36.06 | alecs1 | I'm doing a search in the source directory; google didn't find any message like this |
| 17:36.32 | alecs1 | thanks, I'll take a look |
| 17:40.07 | alecs1 | do you know what it means? I have next to 0 brl-cad and tcl experience |
| 17:41.05 | ``Erik | archer is a work in progress, not ready for consumption yet, last I heard... you might want to use mged instead |
| 17:41.40 | louipc | looks like it's looking for a tk add-on called 'tkimg' |
| 17:41.48 | louipc | if you're missing that it won't work |
| 17:41.57 | alecs1 | thanks, I didn't know; I'll stick to mged then |
| 17:42.27 | alecs1 | I'll for tkimg then; maybe it helps |
| 17:54.37 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03irpguardian * r34907 10/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/human.c: Added poseable support for all the leg now, including feet. |
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| 18:41.00 | jdoliner | indianlarry you here? |
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| 18:53.55 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34908 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ (Archer.tcl ArcherCore.tcl): Modified archer to ask the user to confirm save and revert requests. |
| 19:11.29 | Ralith | louipc: it probably would be pretty easy to do something like rtedge with hidden lines dashed |
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| 20:29.45 | elena | starseeker, are you here? |
| 20:38.56 | elena | brlcad? |
| 20:48.01 | ``Erik | I fed them to the pet squirrel |
| 20:48.36 | ``Erik | what's up? |
| 20:48.40 | elena | hopes Erik is kidding |
| 20:48.48 | ``Erik | it's a big squirrel |
| 20:48.53 | elena | :) |
| 20:49.12 | elena | probably got bigger after eating two mens. |
| 20:49.30 | elena | men (no -s) |
| 20:49.52 | ``Erik | boys, ya mean |
| 20:50.00 | ``Erik | sits around being horribly old |
| 20:50.26 | ``Erik | technically, I am a mentor (getting the t-shirt, anyways), is it something I may be able to help with? |
| 20:50.40 | Ralith | solve my ogre/qt problem :D |
| 20:50.48 | elena | i wanted to ask them some suggestions about the metadata that I should/can get from a model. |
| 20:51.01 | ``Erik | ralith: stop using that c++ crap, problem solved :D |
| 20:51.04 | Ralith | :[ |
| 20:51.40 | ``Erik | metadata? hm, title and units are probably the big ones, just be careful of .g files with many models, I'd imagine |
| 20:51.40 | elena | ls -l provides some information about the objects. |
| 20:51.49 | elena | tree about the structure. |
| 20:52.19 | elena | ok. indeed, I forgot about units. |
| 20:52.20 | ``Erik | there're a few different naming conventions that have different meanings, so those might just need to be ignored |
| 20:53.01 | elena | and since you're so kind, I have one curiosity |
| 20:53.28 | elena | i noticed today, that when using the console mode in mged |
| 20:53.28 | elena | output goes to stderr. |
| 20:53.40 | ``Erik | um, once thing ya see in real models that the army uses is there may be 4 seperate toplevel models of a single thing... depending on if it's csg or triangles, and if it's low resolution or high resolution modelling |
| 20:53.50 | elena | should it go to stdout (errors and warnings to stderr) |
| 20:53.56 | ``Erik | by console mode, you mean classic? "mged -c" ? |
| 20:54.00 | elena | yes. |
| 20:54.51 | elena | this is in 7.14 |
| 20:54.52 | ``Erik | output of things like rt should go to stderr, I'd think... mged -c can be used in scripts where you want just the right stuff to go to stdout (sometimes to generate data to massage and feed back into mged) |
| 20:55.10 | elena | i used this |
| 20:55.19 | elena | mged -c something.g tops |
| 20:55.30 | elena | that sent the output to stderr. |
| 20:55.47 | elena | no big problem. just curious about this decision. |
| 20:56.04 | ``Erik | hrm, that doesn't feel right to me, may've been accidently altered with all the libged stuff :/ |
| 20:57.27 | ``Erik | yeah, it all goes to stderr for me, too hmmmmm |
| 20:58.09 | Ralith | shoud be easy enough to fix, right? |
| 20:58.11 | ``Erik | I think that's one to ping brlcad for |
| 20:58.14 | Ralith | should* |
| 20:58.47 | ``Erik | you'd think, but display type stuff is abstracted in twisted ways to cope with the tcl/C schism and stuff |
| 20:58.56 | Ralith | :/ |
| 20:59.23 | ``Erik | and winderz throws a monkeywrench into any simple/clean fd mgmt |
| 20:59.45 | Ralith | damnit windows |
| 21:00.08 | ``Erik | *shrug* windows isn't unix... everything else is unix :) |
| 21:00.45 | ``Erik | I imagine haiku would have its own monkeywrench issues... BRL-CAD is historically a very unix program, starting on 43BSD |
| 21:01.12 | ``Erik | bought his macbook to have a nice unix laptop with a snazzy gui |
| 21:01.57 | Ralith | yeah, but at least haiku would be sane about it. |
| 21:02.11 | Ralith | installed stupmwm to get a snazzy gui |
| 21:02.18 | ``Erik | I d'no, I imagine it'd have, y'know, c++ involved... *duck* :D |
| 21:02.24 | Ralith | :P |
| 21:03.03 | ``Erik | I used to be a big c++ fan, but got away from it and into C in '96-'97, then I got into things like smalltalk and now the c++ mockery of OO annoys me :D |
| 21:03.24 | ``Erik | and it's easier to be negative and insulting than constructive O:-) |
| 21:03.28 | Ralith | is taking quite a liking to common lisp, and thus can sympathize |
| 21:03.32 | Ralith | heh |
| 21:03.42 | ``Erik | yeah, but CL has its own warts |
| 21:04.27 | Ralith | I'm interested. What are they? |
| 21:04.30 | ``Erik | is learning cl, web programming and emacs all at the same time, is apparently mentally masochistic |
| 21:04.42 | Ralith | I have found that emacs and CL go well together |
| 21:04.51 | ``Erik | I dislike the lisp1/lisp2 split, having to say #'func is annoying |
| 21:04.55 | Ralith | and there's a good bit of evidence that CL and webprogramming go well together too |
| 21:05.03 | Ralith | ah yeah, that |
| 21:05.07 | Ralith | it |
| 21:05.19 | Ralith | it's a bit weird and a little inconvenient, but at least it's logical and consistent. |
| 21:05.43 | Ralith | and it certainly is nice to have roomy namespaces. |
| 21:05.49 | ``Erik | the documentation is scattered and poorly formatted, and while the third party stuff is insane in breadth and quality, it lacks a decent centralized search/install mechanism and often lacks any viable documentation |
| 21:06.06 | Ralith | er |
| 21:06.08 | Ralith | asdf-install |
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| 21:06.27 | ``Erik | I used that for quite a bit, but then there're version knots |
| 21:06.35 | Ralith | and the hyperspec seems pretty good doc-wise for me, wrt. cl itself |
| 21:07.07 | Ralith | version knots? |
| 21:07.09 | ``Erik | for example, ucw has many things that are ok from asdf, but some require the cvs/svn/darcs/git version |
| 21:07.19 | Ralith | ah. |
| 21:07.34 | Ralith | that's just a matter of the asdf repo being outdated |
| 21:07.39 | ``Erik | thinks if someone took the clhs, unfuglyd it and allowed user comments, a la php.net, that'd be awesome |
| 21:07.47 | ``Erik | I might do that when I get some free time, in fact |
| 21:07.51 | Ralith | it is ugly, but it works. |
| 21:07.54 | Ralith | that'd be neat! |
| 21:08.25 | ``Erik | it's also not the most newbie friendly community *shrug* |
| 21:08.37 | Ralith | it was probably written near the beginning of html's popularity, and considered 'good enough' as to need no updating since then. |
| 21:08.45 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 21:08.46 | Ralith | hm? I've found #lisp to be a nice enough place. |
| 21:09.08 | Ralith | people are happy to explain concepts and such |
| 21:09.12 | sander^ | Hi.. I saw on sourceforge.net that this project needs developers |
| 21:09.34 | Ralith | sander^: hullo. More dev-work is indeed always good. |
| 21:09.42 | ``Erik | yeah, they're usually decent if you don't ask stupid questions, but you start reading the flame lists and stuff, or try to get a breadcrumb trail started up, ... |
| 21:09.59 | Ralith | breadcrumb trail? |
| 21:10.20 | ``Erik | yeah, the sequence of things to research to get to the next level, that kinda thing |
| 21:10.42 | Ralith | I think CL's main problem, and the main reason for its lack of popularity in this age of python and ruby and such, is that it has no one central community |
| 21:10.50 | ``Erik | once you know you want to go from a to b, they'll help you do that, but they won't say what c is |
| 21:10.51 | sander^ | Ralith, Got any easy tasks I could start doing.. need some help with getting started tho. |
| 21:10.59 | Ralith | sander^: what's your experience? |
| 21:11.46 | Ralith | ``Erik: throw together a prettified hyperspec and back that with a newsfeed and a decent forum, and you might go a good ways towards fixing that. |
| 21:11.46 | ``Erik | sander^: and interests... |
| 21:12.05 | sander^ | Ralith, I know c,java very well.. abit c++.. Im intrested in learning more c++ |
| 21:12.25 | Ralith | sander^: yeah, it's inadvisable to put work in on code that you're not personally invested in; you'll burn out quick. |
| 21:12.47 | Ralith | BRL-CAD is mostly C. |
| 21:12.57 | ``Erik | BRL-CAD is mostly C, a little c++, a smidge of java... a wad of tcl... and some other stuff |
| 21:13.29 | sander^ | I know tcl very well |
| 21:13.40 | ``Erik | oh, I'm so sorry :( |
| 21:13.42 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 21:13.44 | Ralith | hehe |
| 21:13.55 | Ralith | sander^: so, again, what're your interests? |
| 21:13.56 | sander^ | how much is a wad :p? |
| 21:14.03 | Ralith | quite a bit. |
| 21:14.14 | ``Erik | it sounds like you have the background to dig in whereever you want, you just gotta let us know what your interest is :) |
| 21:14.31 | ``Erik | almost all of the MGED gui is tcl/tk with C backing the operations |
| 21:15.07 | Ralith | perhaps archer? |
| 21:15.10 | ``Erik | same with the new archer gui... the ogre/qt experiment is the odd one (and a gsoc project) |
| 21:15.58 | sander^ | I can go with some c programming |
| 21:16.01 | ``Erik | assumes sander^ has compiled and installed BRL-CAD, messed around with it some, raytraced something, etc? |
| 21:16.13 | sander^ | No.. I should do |
| 21:16.26 | sander^ | I just saw the post on sourceforge |
| 21:17.17 | Ralith | but where do your *interests* lie? |
| 21:17.57 | ``Erik | hehehe, this is open source, man, we're not going to TELL you what to do, we're going to help you find what you want to do, then help you go about doing it :D |
| 21:18.37 | ``Erik | effin' A, sf changed stuff around again |
| 21:19.00 | Ralith | it is prettier, though, gotta give them that. |
| 21:20.00 | sander^ | I need to try this program out.. before I can say what my interests are |
| 21:20.08 | Ralith | do that first, then :D |
| 21:20.11 | ``Erik | sander^: consider these 3 urls; http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/TODO http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=105292 http://brlcad.org/~sean/ideas.html |
| 21:20.13 | Ralith | afks for a bit |
| 21:20.28 | ``Erik | do the svn co, then glance over them while it compiles or something :) |
| 21:23.24 | sander^ | Where do I find the source or whats the svn checkout url? |
| 21:24.27 | sander^ | Error 500 |
| 21:24.28 | sander^ | We're sorry but we weren't able to process this request. |
| 21:24.35 | sander^ | When I push "source" |
| 21:24.38 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/wiki/SVN |
| 21:24.59 | ``Erik | 500? heh, sf broke their server :( |
| 21:26.51 | ``Erik | you will need automake, libtool, and the X development stuff (as well as a c/c++ compiler). |
| 21:27.23 | ``Erik | once it's checked out, run the "autogen.sh" script, then the usual ./configure && make all install |
| 21:28.11 | ``Erik | (and please, if you see room for improvement on the wiki, ... :) |
| 21:47.43 | sander^ | Why does autogen.sh take that long time? |
| 21:48.09 | ``Erik | because it runs aclocal, autoheader, automake and autoconf |
| 21:48.27 | ``Erik | automake has to find and parse every Makefile.am in the system and generate Makefile.in files |
| 21:49.07 | elena | hei Erik, is there an easy way to supply to commands to mged in command line |
| 21:49.09 | ``Erik | (that's compiling 256 buildsystem files) |
| 21:49.23 | elena | like mged -c something.g "tops; title" |
| 21:49.27 | ``Erik | echo 'cmd 1; cmd 2' | mged -c |
| 21:49.33 | ``Erik | um, I think that can work |
| 21:49.42 | ``Erik | or put it in a script and mged -c blah.g < myscript |
| 21:50.49 | elena | ; didn't seem to work. |
| 21:50.57 | elena | only the last command is executed |
| 21:51.03 | ``Erik | hm, might need to be newlines then :/ |
| 21:51.06 | elena | i was able to do it with echo -e "title\\ntops" | mged -c spheres.g |
| 21:51.31 | elena | it just seemed a bit complicated |
| 21:52.28 | ``Erik | yeah. I thought semicolon was the seperator :/ |
| 21:53.56 | elena | thank you. |
| 21:54.20 | ``Erik | ohhhhhh, wait, classic uses its own parser, not the tcl interpreter |
| 21:54.41 | elena | and? |
| 21:55.16 | ``Erik | ; is the tcl cmd seperator, I d'no if there's one built into the classic mode mged parser |
| 21:55.54 | ``Erik | if you don't give it the -c, it should work, I think |
| 21:56.09 | elena | I need to run it in a batch. |
| 21:56.27 | elena | if I don't give it -c, it goes in bg |
| 21:56.53 | ``Erik | how old is your mged? |
| 21:56.59 | elena | 7.14 |
| 21:57.03 | elena | x86 |
| 21:57.54 | ``Erik | at some point, the default behavior of mged went from going background to staying in the fg, in support of various WM's |
| 21:57.58 | elena | hmm. same happens in non-classical mode, too |
| 21:58.05 | elena | i start mged |
| 21:58.06 | ``Erik | yeah, feb of '08 |
| 21:58.10 | ``Erik | 30246 |
| 21:58.25 | elena | in the command win i type tops;title and only title is run |
| 21:58.35 | ``Erik | huh, weird |
| 21:59.01 | ``Erik | yet another thing to fix |
| 21:59.09 | elena | i guess i'm moving from beginner to advanced level :) |
| 21:59.53 | ``Erik | and kind enough to observe/ask these little things instead of just shrugging and moving on :) |
| 22:00.35 | elena | you're too kind |
| 22:00.46 | ``Erik | I know, and I'm too modest, too O.o *duck* :D |
| 22:01.55 | sander^ | what do I need to install to get x11 support? Whats.. X development stuff? |
| 22:02.42 | Ralith | the headers |
| 22:03.09 | Ralith | in a debian-derived distro it'll be called x11-dev or similar |
| 22:03.21 | ``Erik | depends on the OS, something like Xlib-dev and Xi-dev would do most rhat/deb based leenewxes, I think |
| 22:03.53 | sander^ | libx11-dev ? |
| 22:04.00 | ``Erik | sounds right |
| 22:04.20 | Ralith | ``Erik: perhaps it would be advisable to replace the classic parser with the tcl interp? |
| 22:04.23 | sander^ | Im on ubuntu and debian |
| 22:04.37 | Ralith | libx11-dev is almost certainly correct |
| 22:05.06 | ``Erik | ralith: the gui version gives the same results, I'm not sure what's going on with it |
| 22:05.13 | Ralith | O.o |
| 22:05.19 | Ralith | that sounds undesirable. |
| 22:05.22 | ``Erik | and I'm not going to dig into it while I'm sitting at home on sick leave enjoying the vicodin |
| 22:05.34 | ``Erik | which is just about wearing off |
| 22:06.10 | sander^ | configure: WARNING: X11 support is enabled but the Xi library was not found. |
| 22:06.50 | Ralith | doesn't know what Xi is used for |
| 22:06.57 | Ralith | but you can fix that by, you know, installing the Xi library. |
| 22:09.57 | ``Erik | X intrinsics |
| 22:10.11 | elena | erik, one more help? |
| 22:10.20 | ``Erik | hrm? |
| 22:10.43 | elena | i recall I saw somewhere a way to get the output of a command and use it in another |
| 22:10.58 | elena | i want to do something like: tree `tops` |
| 22:11.01 | ``Erik | inside of mged? |
| 22:11.06 | elena | yes. |
| 22:11.14 | ``Erik | uhmmm, sure it wasn't tree [tops] ? |
| 22:11.19 | elena | maybe I'm wrong and it wasn't mged. |
| 22:11.29 | elena | let me test. |
| 22:11.41 | ``Erik | it's a direct tcl interpreter, so anything that works in tcl should work in mged |
| 22:12.02 | elena | it says db_lookup([tops]) failed: [tops] does not exist |
| 22:12.34 | ``Erik | hm, yeah, I'm dorking in tclsh |
| 22:12.37 | ``Erik | <-- doesn't really know tcl |
| 22:13.55 | elena | :( |
| 22:15.21 | ``Erik | tree [eval tops] ? |
| 22:16.25 | sander^ | I cant find the xi lib |
| 22:16.37 | ``Erik | libXi-dev ? |
| 22:16.44 | ``Erik | do you have /usr/include/X11/Xi.h ? |
| 22:17.39 | elena | strange. it shows an error, yet it displays some of the objects. |
| 22:17.51 | sander^ | Oh.. it actually was libXi-dev |
| 22:18.29 | elena | mged> tree [eval tops] |
| 22:18.30 | elena | db_lookup(tops]) failed: tops] does not exist |
| 22:18.30 | elena | ellg |
| 22:18.30 | elena | axis/ |
| 22:21.06 | ``Erik | *shrug* I don't have the resources handy to figure that one out for ya, sorry :( tomorrow, I'll have access to my books |
| 22:21.17 | sander^ | I dont have /usr/include/X11/Xi.h still after installing libxi-dev |
| 22:21.43 | sander^ | And its also still complaining about xi dev even after I installed it |
| 22:27.43 | elena | no problem. thank you. |
| 22:27.49 | sander^ | im just compiling without x11 support |
| 22:27.55 | elena | i'm still half way there :) |
| 22:28.48 | sander^ | What downsides is it without x11 support? |
| 22:29.12 | sander^ | no grafical interface? |
| 22:31.35 | louipc | no mged. You probably want that. |
| 22:36.23 | louipc | sander^: hmm I don't have Xi.h either |
| 22:36.34 | louipc | but I do have libxi |
| 22:40.37 | sander^ | strange that its complaining about it then |
| 22:41.14 | louipc | what was the message you got complaining about xi? |
| 22:42.04 | louipc | "X11 support is enabled but the Xi library was not found."? |
| 22:42.09 | sander^ | configure: WARNING: X11 support is enabled but the Xi library was not found. |
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| 22:48.29 | elena | eval tree [tops] seems to partially work. |
| 22:49.01 | elena | the problem is that [tops] gets replaces with the string containing all the tops (not with a list of objects) |
| 22:49.12 | elena | db_lookup fails again. |
| 22:49.13 | sander^ | How long time does it take to compile everything? |
| 22:49.24 | Ralith | depends entirely on your hardware. |
| 22:51.10 | sander^ | From what to what?.. Like.. Can it take half an hour? |
| 22:51.39 | ``Erik | anywhere from 5 minutes to 5 hours... |
| 22:51.45 | Ralith | from the next millenium to instantly. |
| 22:51.51 | Ralith | it depends entirely on your hardware. |
| 22:52.00 | sander^ | okay |
| 22:52.07 | Ralith | I suggest not attempting to use nothing but a pencil. |
| 22:52.36 | ``Erik | damn, ralith, still sore about that? we thought it was hilarious :D *duck* |
| 22:53.16 | louipc | sander^: do you have x11proto-input-dev installed? |
| 22:53.29 | Ralith | ``Erik: at least I know x86 hex now. |
| 22:53.37 | louipc | /usr/include/X11/extensions/XI.h |
| 22:53.42 | ``Erik | x86? damnit, boy, we said r2k! |
| 22:53.45 | louipc | is in that package |
| 22:54.00 | ``Erik | (r2k is sexy assembly) |
| 22:54.01 | Ralith | yeah, but I didn't have the test hardware and I was too lazy to find a vm |
| 22:54.12 | ``Erik | http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~larus/spim.html |
| 22:54.16 | ``Erik | there, there's your vm |
| 22:54.17 | ``Erik | :D |
| 22:55.11 | sander^ | louipc, yes.. I got x11proto-input-dev installed |
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| 23:16.16 | louipc | /usr/include/X11/extensions/XI.h: #define XI_DATAGLOVE "DATAGLOVE" |
| 23:16.22 | louipc | bwhahahha |
| 23:21.39 | sander^ | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ltk8.5 |
| 23:21.52 | sander^ | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 23:22.59 | sander^ | it fails on that when doing make |
| 23:23.46 | louipc | you have tk 8.5? |
| 23:23.50 | ``Erik | did the configure stuff say that it was building tk or not? |
| 23:29.48 | sander^ | now I installed tk-dev |
| 23:30.25 | louipc | I'm glad I don't use debian :P |
| 23:31.31 | sander^ | Well.. im actually installing this on my ubuntu laptop without too many programs |
| 23:31.44 | Ralith | tk-dev won't help |
| 23:31.48 | Ralith | taht's the headers; it's missing the library. |
| 23:32.05 | Ralith | (although tk-dev undoubtedly depends on tk, so it might work anyway) |
| 23:32.18 | sander^ | Build Tcl ............................: yes |
| 23:32.18 | sander^ | Build Tk .............................: yes |
| 23:32.30 | Ralith | sounds like a build system bug, then :/ |
| 23:32.44 | louipc | hm. if you have them installed it should say no (using system) |
| 23:32.51 | Ralith | he doesn't |
| 23:32.55 | Ralith | he's just now installing them, I think |
| 23:34.49 | louipc | I'm surprised no debianites have come along and spruced up the build files |
| 23:35.36 | ``Erik | made a debian/ build thingy a while back, but lost access to his debian box *shrug* |
| 23:37.14 | sander^ | should it say yes here?: Build Tk .............................: yes |
| 23:37.27 | Ralith | did it say that after you had installed tk? |
| 23:37.29 | sander^ | I got tk installed.. and did configure once more |
| 23:37.41 | Ralith | then it shouldn't want to build its own. |
| 23:37.51 | ``Erik | um |
| 23:37.54 | louipc | did you install tcl too? |
| 23:38.06 | ``Erik | try doing a "make distclean", then do "./configure --enable-all" and see if it works then |
| 23:38.14 | sander^ | I installed both tcl and tk |
| 23:38.16 | Ralith | louipc: pretty sure tk depends on tcl :P |
| 23:38.29 | louipc | yeah it does |
| 23:42.35 | sander^ | I need to go now.. |
| 23:43.05 | louipc | see you later |
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