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| 01:31.50 | brlcad | starseeker: awesome progress :) |
| 01:35.31 | brlcad | ~starseeker++ |
| 02:11.34 | starseeker | brlcad: thanks! :-) |
| 02:11.42 | starseeker | next up, trimming |
| 02:13.33 | starseeker | or more specifically, trimming + bounding volume hierarchy |
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| 11:08.26 | indianlarry | ~/whois |
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| 11:34.38 | brlcad | yawns |
| 11:43.23 | alex_joni | O prostituata merge la ginecolog... |
| 11:43.23 | alex_joni | Acesta o intreaba: |
| 11:43.24 | alex_joni | - Domnisoara, aveti pierderi mari in timpul menstruatiilor? |
| 11:43.34 | alex_joni | eek.. sorry, wrong paste :/ |
| 11:43.41 | brlcad | heh |
| 11:43.57 | brlcad | what an odd paste at that :) |
| 11:44.44 | indianlarry | flashes back to catholic school |
| 11:45.06 | alex_joni | brlcad: that's part of a joke in my native language |
| 11:46.37 | d-lo_ | Hrm, I see prostitue, gynocologist and menstration.... I probably don't wan't to hear the actual joke based on that.... |
| 11:47.47 | archivist | clean safe laugh http://james-iry.blogspot.com/2009/05/brief-incomplete-and-mostly-wrong.html |
| 11:59.12 | d-lo_ | hah, thats pretty good :) |
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| 12:15.58 | madant | hadn't heard of Scala :O |
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| 13:07.11 | ``Erik | heh, archiviist: that was on hn a few days back :) |
| 13:11.27 | ``Erik | hm, starseeker, that java vuln I mentioned yesterday went up on /. this morning |
| 13:12.05 | starseeker | ``Erik: yeah, saw that |
| 13:12.09 | starseeker | turned it off |
| 13:12.33 | starseeker | madant: Oh, the lisp in lisp thing? Yeah, it doesn't get a lot of press |
| 14:12.43 | brlcad | heh |
| 14:13.14 | brlcad | "Oh, * lisp *? Yeah, it doesn't get a lot of press" :) |
| 14:13.37 | brlcad | loves lisp, but it's not exactly ever going to be "mainstream" |
| 14:14.53 | starseeker | must concede that |
| 14:15.53 | madant | is checking out wattzon.com |
| 14:23.27 | ``Erik | seems to have had a resurgance the last few years, though |
| 14:25.26 | _clock_ | http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/599/yogadz6.jpg |
| 14:26.00 | brlcad | http://www.ohloh.net/languages/compare?measure=commits&percent=&l0=emacslisp&l1=lisp&l2=scheme&l3=-1&l4=-1&commit=Update |
| 14:26.04 | brlcad | that's pretty "steady" |
| 14:26.18 | ``Erik | wait, vodka makes me do yoga? awesome, it's healthy for ya! :D |
| 14:26.35 | _clock_ | ``Erik: right |
| 14:27.10 | ``Erik | the new lisps aren't usually called lisp, though... they go with funny names like clojure and arc |
| 14:27.53 | ``Erik | (and it's scattered and often using a variety of odd vcs's if any, so ohloh won't pick it up well) |
| 14:27.55 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 14:28.31 | brlcad | ohloh's language parser would see them as lisp |
| 14:28.58 | ``Erik | how does ohloh find projects to add? |
| 14:29.03 | brlcad | and the fact that it's scattered and obscure doesn't really help your point :) |
| 14:29.04 | madant | what percentage of the world's code base right now would be open source ;) |
| 14:29.22 | starseeker | madant: a minute fraction |
| 14:29.38 | brlcad | at least, perhaps we define "resurgance" quite differently :) |
| 14:29.54 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r34568 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libged/scale_hyp.c tclscripts/archer/HypEditFrame.tcl): Added scale H (move V) editing capability for hyperboloid. This affects libged and Archer. |
| 14:30.22 | ``Erik | from the forum/blog/newsgroup/irc/packagegrowth/etc perspective, it's grown a huge amount over 5 years *shrug* |
| 14:30.56 | ``Erik | but it's an ugly nonunified world, MOST work is just "here's a tarball" on a site and maybe a registry in cliki if you're lucky |
| 14:31.02 | brlcad | I think that's probably just because it's what you're reading (because it's interesting to you) |
| 14:31.28 | ``Erik | if there is a public vcs, it's darcs on this random machine, or git on that one, or something else over there |
| 14:32.02 | ``Erik | *shrug* but I've been interested in it for 10 years now... :) |
| 14:33.09 | brlcad | fwiw to answer your question -- if it has a public vcs, anyone can add it to ohloh |
| 14:33.23 | ``Erik | so it has to be manually added? |
| 14:33.36 | brlcad | by someone that cares, sure |
| 14:33.43 | brlcad | they don't go scraping around for projects |
| 14:34.13 | ``Erik | imagines 95+% of the lithp world doesn't care about ohloh :) (most probably haven't even heard of it) |
| 14:34.20 | ``Erik | but that's pure conjecture |
| 14:35.03 | brlcad | conjects that 95% of the lisp world doesn't even amount to a 1% difference in those stats |
| 14:35.49 | brlcad | law of averages, it's not like the ones on there do care |
| 14:35.58 | ``Erik | might be amusing to write a script to scrape all the lisp repo locations off of few dozen 'central' locations and add them |
| 14:42.44 | _clock_ | Is BRL-CAD Turing-complete? |
| 14:42.49 | _clock_ | I think it should be. |
| 14:42.53 | ``Erik | tcl is |
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| 14:56.30 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34569 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/mirror.c: stub in the new mirror calls for all of the rest of the primitives, change indentation on the old sections |
| 15:10.07 | ``Erik | wonders if brlcad is on the way in, or working from home |
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| 15:45.07 | elena | hi. |
| 15:49.09 | d-lo_ | hai! |
| 15:49.32 | elena | hi d-lo |
| 15:53.47 | brlcad | hola elena |
| 15:54.00 | elena | hi Sean. |
| 15:54.00 | brlcad | ``Erik: in, but no lunch |
| 15:54.22 | elena | bon appetit! |
| 15:54.36 | brlcad | elena: how's summer looking so far? :) |
| 15:54.47 | elena | interesting. |
| 15:54.58 | elena | challenging |
| 15:55.02 | elena | fun. |
| 15:55.06 | brlcad | well that's good! |
| 15:55.16 | elena | yes. |
| 15:55.39 | brlcad | have to get you set up soon |
| 15:56.14 | elena | anything I can help with? |
| 15:57.34 | brlcad | probably |
| 15:57.49 | elena | just let me know. |
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| 15:58.17 | elena | I'll also catch up with Cliff. |
| 15:58.46 | elena | I was away lately. |
| 15:58.56 | brlcad | nods |
| 15:58.56 | elena | in norway :) |
| 15:59.06 | brlcad | sounds like fun :) |
| 15:59.17 | brlcad | details in pm for setup |
| 16:00.16 | d-lo_ | whereabouts in Norway? |
| 16:03.25 | alvaro1 | [root@alvaro-edicta-host brlcad-7.14.6]# ./configure --enable-optimized |
| 16:03.25 | alvaro1 | configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in misc ./misc |
| 16:03.43 | brlcad | alvaro1: you ran autogen.sh ? |
| 16:03.48 | alvaro1 | no |
| 16:04.09 | brlcad | run it |
| 16:05.17 | alvaro1 | sh autogen.sh gives me this ERROR: Unable to locate GNU Autoconf. |
| 16:06.34 | alvaro1 | should i install this?: autoconf.noarch : A GNU tool for automatically configuring source code |
| 16:06.37 | starseeker | alvaro1: well, step one is to install it :-) |
| 16:06.41 | starseeker | yep |
| 16:07.01 | starseeker | make sure automake is in there too |
| 16:07.16 | starseeker | or rather, in PATH |
| 16:07.39 | alvaro1 | there are two choices: autoconf.noarch : A GNU tool for automatically configuring source code , autoconf213.noarch : A GNU tool for automatically configuring source code |
| 16:08.06 | starseeker | I'd go with plain autoconf |
| 16:14.59 | alvaro1 | starseeker: (libedit.i386 : The NetBSD Editline library) is equivalent to libtoolize ? |
| 16:15.13 | starseeker | no, I don't think so |
| 16:16.07 | starseeker | look for an autotools package, if there is one |
| 16:16.36 | alvaro1 | http://fpaste.org/paste/12422 |
| 16:17.34 | brlcad | libedit is equivalent to the gnu readline library .. nothing to do with libtool |
| 16:17.36 | starseeker | which OS/distro are you on? |
| 16:17.44 | brlcad | libedit is cool, we should be using it |
| 16:17.49 | starseeker | :-) |
| 16:18.11 | starseeker | hasn't checked - do we get tab completion/history for free using that? |
| 16:24.19 | alvaro1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.11 | brlcad | alvaro1: you have to run autogen.sh successfully |
| 16:26.21 | brlcad | until that happens, you cannot run configure |
| 16:26.23 | brlcad | so stop trying :) |
| 16:27.08 | alvaro1 | http://fpaste.org/paste/12423 |
| 16:29.02 | alvaro1 | and libedit is installed but autogen.sh keeps on reporting the error about libtoolize |
| 16:29.47 | brlcad | alvaro1: 12:21 <@brlcad> libedit is equivalent to the gnu readline library .. nothing to do with libtool |
| 16:29.52 | brlcad | did you miss that? |
| 16:31.33 | alvaro1 | brlcad but autogen.sh is asking for libtoolize and when i search on the repos the only thing that appears is libedit |
| 16:32.02 | brlcad | sounds like you need to do some searching then for your platform |
| 16:34.19 | alvaro1 | brlcad: libedit.i386 is equivalent to libtoolized on fedora see this: http://fpaste.org/paste/12426 |
| 16:35.41 | elena | hi starseeker. brlcad just setup my account. |
| 16:39.07 | alvaro1 | libtool.i386 seems to be working |
| 16:43.02 | brlcad | alvaro1: you are totally misunderstanding that description |
| 16:43.38 | brlcad | libedit IS NOT libtool .. read the rest of the description, search online for libtool and read it's description .. they are very different projects |
| 16:44.17 | brlcad | elena: so .. what's "step one"? |
| 16:46.10 | elena | i'll take a look at the current setup. |
| 16:46.24 | elena | also you mentioned problems with captcha. are they solved? |
| 16:46.36 | brlcad | nope |
| 16:46.59 | elena | maybe I could take a shoot at that first... |
| 16:47.32 | brlcad | elena: your project (the repository aspect) has a nice benefit that it can somewhat start with a clean slate |
| 16:48.24 | brlcad | that would be cool -- fixing the captcha problem on the contact form would certainly take off one headache :) |
| 16:48.39 | elena | can you rephrase "slate". I don't understand it. |
| 16:48.48 | brlcad | mm a "fresh" start |
| 16:48.53 | brlcad | a blank piece of paper |
| 16:48.54 | elena | aha. |
| 16:49.23 | elena | then next step would be to find a theme. |
| 16:49.34 | elena | something in tone with brlcad.org. |
| 16:49.48 | brlcad | brlcad.org's theme is bound to change, don't worry about it |
| 16:50.07 | elena | ook. |
| 16:50.10 | brlcad | it just needs to be clean and asthetically pleasing ;) |
| 16:50.15 | brlcad | "just" :) |
| 16:51.18 | d-lo_ | yes. Eye trauma == bad |
| 16:53.21 | brlcad | as for the location, can either go with more.brlcad.org or .. |
| 16:53.26 | brlcad | I've also had solidgeometry.org registered for a while after some discussions at the ACM solid modeling conference a couple years ago, that could be used |
| 16:53.43 | brlcad | or [whatever].brlcad.org really |
| 17:01.38 | brlcad | my goal is to end up at solidgeometry.org so that the repository can have its own identity, community, policies, and such |
| 17:01.56 | brlcad | sort of a separation of model/view and controller in MVC lingo :) |
| 17:02.16 | brlcad | also doesn't mean we have to start there either though |
| 17:08.13 | elena | i'd go with more. for now. |
| 17:08.24 | elena | maybe solidgeometry could be more general. |
| 17:08.51 | elena | a next step. |
| 17:10.04 | brlcad | okay, sounds good |
| 17:10.11 | elena | great. |
| 17:25.41 | brlcad | elena: clean slate: http://more.brlcad.org/ |
| 17:25.54 | elena | :) thanks. |
| 17:26.41 | brlcad | cliff can help out with logging in, navigating, transferring files, etc |
| 17:27.12 | elena | i'll try to do it myself first. |
| 18:00.25 | alvaro1 | it is necessary run "make test" ? |
| 18:01.07 | alvaro1 | is it necessary run "make test" ? |
| 18:03.05 | elena | maybe not, but it is a good idea to do it. |
| 18:06.50 | alvaro1 | and "make benchmark" ? |
| 18:11.37 | starseeker | only if you want to test your system's performance |
| 18:15.09 | alvaro1 | what comes after make , make test, and make benchmark ? |
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| 18:17.11 | alvaro1 | what comes after "make" , "make test", "make benchmark", and "make clean", ? |
| 18:17.31 | starseeker | uh - why did you do make clean? |
| 18:17.55 | starseeker | if you're trying to install BRL-CAD, it's make and then make install |
| 18:17.55 | elena | I was going to suggest not to make clean. |
| 18:18.21 | alvaro1 | what do i do now ? i did make clean |
| 18:18.58 | elena | run again. make and make install |
| 18:19.11 | alvaro1 | sure? |
| 18:19.24 | starseeker | that's standard for GNU autotools builds |
| 18:19.25 | elena | starseeker? |
| 18:20.05 | starseeker | alvaro1: have you read the INSTALL file? |
| 18:20.20 | starseeker | elena: hey elena |
| 18:20.28 | elena | hi. |
| 18:20.34 | starseeker | how are things going? |
| 18:20.39 | alvaro1 | starseeker: yes but the command line is giving instructions too |
| 18:20.39 | elena | great. |
| 18:20.46 | starseeker | :-) |
| 18:20.51 | elena | i just got an account on brlcad.org |
| 18:21.17 | starseeker | alvaro1: The standard install procedure is ./configure && make and then as root make install |
| 18:21.32 | starseeker | alvaro1: I take it this is the first time you've compiled software on your machine? |
| 18:21.37 | elena | i'll look around for the setup and then bug you with any question I have :) |
| 18:21.49 | alvaro1 | well i am runing make install, first time |
| 18:21.53 | starseeker | elena: cool :-) |
| 18:22.20 | starseeker | alvaro1: OK. If you get any permissions errors on make install, it means you're not in the root account |
| 18:22.37 | alvaro1 | i am logged as root |
| 18:22.47 | starseeker | ok. It should work then |
| 18:35.37 | brlcad | alvaro1: yet you're also making up your own instructions |
| 18:36.47 | brlcad | make clean is not mentioned anywhere in the INSTALL file or the instructions that are prompted after each build step |
| 18:36.55 | brlcad | those instructions match up, you're not following either of them |
| 18:38.03 | brlcad | read the INSTALL instructions and follow them -- the quick instructions are particularly relevant |
| 18:39.03 | alvaro1 | well after make install stops i will go back if necessary, do yo suggest to interrupt "make install" ? |
| 18:39.54 | brlcad | no |
| 18:40.05 | brlcad | if make install works, you should be done |
| 18:40.28 | alvaro1 | ok let's see the result... |
| 18:40.46 | brlcad | look at the instructions, follow after the "Once installed, ....." section |
| 18:41.07 | brlcad | that should help |
| 18:54.28 | alvaro1 | in the INSTALL file ? |
| 18:55.39 | brlcad | that would be the installation instructions |
| 19:29.08 | alvaro1 | how do i add PATH=/usr/brlcad/bin:$PATH ; export PATH to the path permanently ? |
| 19:33.30 | brlcad | alvaro1: do you have a .profile in your home directory? |
| 19:33.36 | alvaro1 | yes |
| 19:33.47 | brlcad | what's in it? |
| 19:33.53 | alvaro1 | let me see |
| 19:35.20 | alvaro1 | no i do not have a .profile on my home directory |
| 19:40.25 | brlcad | ls -la .profile that returns nothing? |
| 19:41.02 | brlcad | run this: echo "" >> .profile && echo "PATH=/usr/brlcad/bin:$PATH ; export PATH" >> .profile |
| 19:41.19 | brlcad | then open a new terminal -- the path should be set |
| 19:41.26 | brlcad | can check it with "echo $PATH" |
| 19:43.18 | alvaro1 | if i open gedit and paste "PATH=/usr/brlcad/bin:$PATH ; export PATH" and save it as .profile in my home directory will work too? |
| 19:43.32 | brlcad | without the quotes |
| 19:43.35 | brlcad | sure |
| 19:43.56 | brlcad | might need to run: chmod 755 ~/.profile |
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| 19:47.59 | alvaro1 | it is not working for some reason please see: http://fpaste.org/paste/12447 |
| 19:50.14 | brlcad | assuming you put it into the right place, that looks right |
| 19:50.32 | alvaro1 | yes it is at home |
| 19:50.35 | brlcad | note that's a root shell, you have to open a new user shell |
| 19:50.53 | brlcad | also check to see if you have a .bash_profile |
| 19:52.20 | alvaro1 | i have a .bash_profile http://fpaste.org/paste/12450 |
| 19:52.29 | brlcad | so put it in there |
| 19:52.47 | brlcad | you already have a path line in there even |
| 19:58.03 | alvaro1 | michael jhon mush had a great smile! |
| 20:01.28 | brlcad | he did :) |
| 20:08.42 | alvaro1 | brlcad: thanks i'll try to upload binarys, but i am going to explore brlcad first, it is running on fedora 10 |
| 20:33.58 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34570 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/tor/tor_mirror.c: unused var |
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| 21:06.47 | ``Erik | heh |
| 21:07.09 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34571 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS src/mged/mged.c): Added -v to command line mged for version information. |
| 21:09.29 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34572 10/brlcad/trunk/ (doc/docbook/system/man1/en/mged.xml src/mged/mged.c): Document the -v argument. |
| 21:31.56 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34573 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (Makefile.am primitives/tgc/tgc_mirror.c): separate out the tgc mirroring for the guts to rt_tgc_mirror() |
| 21:33.47 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34574 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/mirror.c: turn on tor and tgc/rec mirroring through the new routines sans debugging, remove the old. |
| 21:35.12 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34575 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/mirror.c: bah, fix the preprocessor logic. helps to compile first. |
| 22:37.16 | ``Erik | hehehe, I wonder if I messed up the slushbox doing that :D |
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| 23:37.16 | brlcad | howdy jdoliner |
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| 23:46.59 | rincon | what i see in the help is the mged classic, where can see the help of the new GUI |
| 23:53.50 | brlcad | rincon: what do you mean? |
| 23:54.14 | brlcad | rincon: there's extensive tutorials on the website |
| 23:54.18 | brlcad | under documentation |
| 23:54.32 | rincon | the images on the local manual seems so differrent than the gui |
| 23:55.14 | brlcad | latest docs are the mged tutorial series, pdfs on the website |
| 23:55.23 | brlcad | the ones that are locally installed are older |
| 23:55.33 | brlcad | still valid, but yeah different |
| 23:56.20 | rincon | ok then it is better to look at the website... |
