IRC log for #brlcad on 20090423

00:38.42brlcadbranco: without installing blender? :)
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01:01.40brlcadthinks you maybe meant brl-cad.. what is the exact error? the ogl interface is disabled by default via configure, though you "shouldn't" need it
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02:49.09CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34298 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/rt.c: remove and undeadify code to print raytrace status. Tcl_Eval doesn't belong in libged, so make the summary as a simple bu_log for now. include tcl.h regardless as there still are other tclisms that need to go away.
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03:15.40CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34299 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/bigE.c: big style consistency and ws cleanup.
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04:20.17starseekerarcher needs the ogl interface as of latest trunk, iirc
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08:47.29downstreammorning
08:47.56downstreamcurrently trying to build 7.14.6 on mac os x
08:48.24downstreamfails at libTkhtml3.0.dylib
08:48.30downstreammissing symbols:
08:48.44downstreamld: Undefined symbols:
08:48.44downstream_XCopyArea
08:48.45downstream_XFillPolygon
08:48.45downstream_XFillRectangle
08:48.45downstream_XGetImage
08:49.05downstreamsounds like it needs -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11
08:49.31downstreamwonder why it builds on linux, though ;)
09:19.17CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34300 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc/Dll/brlcad.def: access to bu logging
09:26.10CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34301 10/rt^3/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
09:26.10CIA-28BRL-CAD: access to libbu's log messaging system
09:26.10CIA-28BRL-CAD: the default is no log messages at all
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10:46.30d-lomornin all
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11:30.39brlcaddownstream: that's libXi, missing a -lXi
11:31.20brlcader, never mind, you're right -- that is -lX11
11:33.26CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r34302 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc/Dll/CMakeLists.txt:
11:33.26CIA-28BRL-CAD: bring the core's C++ interface to live by integrating it into the brlcad.dll
11:33.26CIA-28BRL-CAD: the raises a question about giving version numbers to rt^3 or integrating the affected parts into the brlcad branch
11:36.54downstreambrlcad: :)
11:37.23downstreamwhy does that -l only get missed on darwin?
11:37.36downstream(assuming that tarball actually builds on linux)
11:39.18downstreamshould i just add it to LDFLAGS globally? or better hack the Makefile.in?
11:40.44CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34303 10/brlcad/trunk/include/bu.h: include the logging example snippet in the header with a comment about stderr/stdout possibly changing.
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11:45.01``Erikshould work fine on osX :/
11:52.52brlcaddownstream: without any more information, I'd assume it's some probably with automake and configure -- did you run autogen.sh?
11:53.52brlcadthe X11 tests that are put into configure are dependent on the version of automake that was available with autogen.sh was first run so if you have a source tarball, it may be someone else's automake/autoconf
11:54.01brlcadunless you rerun autogen.sh again
13:07.24``Erikhuh, soleil moon-frye got pretty hot O.o
13:13.14downstreambrlcad: nope, only ./configure
13:13.55downstreami'll try redoing the autoconf/automake dance
13:51.04brlcaddownstream: you just have to run ./autogen.sh
13:51.06brlcadno dance
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15:22.58downstreambrlcad: same result, after autogen.sh & configure
15:23.15downstreamthe -I's are there, the -L/-l is not
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19:53.40starseekeris intrigued by cscope
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19:54.01miqlasHello!
19:54.11starseekerhowd
19:54.36miqlasThe http://brlcad.org/wiki/Building_from_SVN page contains some interresting links:
19:54.38miqlas<a href=http://www.titizilaclama.com/ title=ilaçlama >Ilaçlama</a> <a href=http://www.etkinilaclama.net title=Haºere ilaçlama> Haºere ilaçlama</a> <a href=http://www.cozumilaclama.net title=böcek ilaçlama> Böcek ilaçlama</a> <a href=http://www.pire.biz title=pire>pire</a> <a title=joomla href=http://www.sanaldev.net/indir/joomla> joomla tema</a>
19:54.45miqlasPlease, remove this...
19:54.58starseekerhmm, musta been spammed...
19:55.00starseekerchecks
19:56.39miqlasThanks.
19:57.46CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03128.63.32.5 07http://brlcad.org * r1435 10/wiki/Building_from_SVN: Undo revision 1285 by [[Special:Contributions/78.183.51.7|78.183.51.7]] ([[User talk:78.183.51.7|Talk]])
19:58.38starseekerthanks for pointing it out
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20:08.34miqlasHello.
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20:15.06miqlasX server required for running BRL-CAD?
20:18.27starseekernot on windows - on mac and Linux yes
20:22.35miqlasI try to build BRL-CAD on Haiku.
20:24.06starseekeruh.  Yeah, you will almost certainly need X
20:24.30starseekerdoesn't know about the status of things like Tcl/Tk and OGL on Haiku
20:24.48miqlasWe have Tk, but no Tcl :(
20:25.11miqlasI can't build it :(
20:25.40starseekerblinks
20:25.49starseekerI didn't know you could build Tk without Tcl
20:26.16miqlasOh, maybe i mistyped then.
20:26.26miqlasI check...
20:27.19miqlasYes, Sou have right, i mistyped, we have Tcl, but no Tk.
20:28.31miqlas*You*
20:37.09``Erikdarn, I was about to be seriously impressed :D
20:56.14brlcadstrictly speaking, X11 isn't required even for mac/linux, you just won't get gui mged
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22:04.10brlcadmiqlas: do you know jorge?
22:04.33miqlasJorge G. Mare?
22:04.37brlcadyep
22:04.45brlcadtakes that as a "yes" :)
22:04.50miqlasYes, sometimes i meet with her on the Haiku IRC.
22:05.13miqlasi understand this word: "yep". No problem.
22:05.31miqlasHis nickname is koki
22:06.16miqlasYou know him?
22:07.35brlcadusually kokito, no?
22:07.54brlcadand I mean you saying his full name was a "yes"
22:08.19miqlaskoki or kokito, i thin it is the same. But he use the koki name on the official Haiku webpage: http://www.haiku-os.org/user/koki
22:08.21brlcadI've only interacted with him and urias on a few occasions, so no I wouldn't say I know him
22:08.39brlcadyeah, just happens to be kokito on irc iirc
22:09.07brlcadloves haiku, loved beos, wants it to be better
22:09.14miqlasUrias McCullough, ummcullough is a good person too.
22:09.32miqlasbrlcad want it with BRL-CAD :)
22:09.33brlcadmet a few of the other developers at the gsoc summits
22:09.45miqlasAh, okay, i understand.
22:10.18brlcadI think brl-cad would be awesome on haiku :)
22:11.12miqlasBut! It need an easy to use, and Haiku native user interface, i think. But yes, first we will happy for an dirty port too
22:11.13brlcadjust need someone to port qt over for the new gui!
22:11.51miqlasI hope somebody take up the tk and qt, and port it well for Haiku.
22:12.19brlcadtk should be pretty easy
22:12.27brlcadit used to have beos support, just a lot of updates
22:13.10miqlasMaybe we will have it: http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/activity/qt-beos
22:15.14brlcadI've wanted to work on porting apps to haiku ..
22:15.27miqlasI don't say no :)
22:15.28brlcadi usually try about once or twice a year to get something going
22:15.45brlcadhave been following for five years or so
22:15.59miqlasBut i don't think i can help to You. I know only configure & make & make install.
22:16.13miqlasAnd we don't need "-lm" for Haiku. :)
22:16.20brlcadbut every time I get bogged down in bugs and crashes, then exhaust all my time fixing those bugs with the devs :)
22:17.00brlcadit's not until very recently that it's actually been practical and easy to compile within haiku itself
22:17.32miqlasYes, i understand. But hey! You don't need wait so long, we almost have an alpha system. There is the roadmap for it...
22:17.42miqlasThis is very close now.
22:18.27brlcadnods
22:18.36brlcadthey were very close last year too, and I found a half-dozen bugs for them :)
22:19.02miqlasRemember, we talking about a pre-alpha os....
22:19.15brlcadyep, all in good fun
22:19.32miqlasPlease, forgive it to the Haiku. It will better and better every day.
22:19.39brlcadlike I said, I dug in and helped fix them too
22:20.26brlcadat some point, I'll do an install, open up a terminal and have gcc at my disposal with a functional networking stack and I'll be able to really get started on a porting effort ;)
22:21.11``Erikcranks up emacs and lisps out with his parens out
22:21.34miqlas:)
22:22.14miqlasThis will be my diplom work, if You interrested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkGzC167GdM
22:22.39miqlasSorry for the video quality. This is not the final product.
22:23.57``Erikare ya gonna manufacturer one?
22:24.07miqlasnot yet.
22:24.26miqlasBut may the university make a sample.
22:25.30``Eriknice http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:1908328
22:26.19brlcadmiqlas: that's pretty cool
22:26.29miqlasThanks, brlcad :)
22:26.47brlcadwants someone to model a stirling engine in brl-cad as a test case for the constraint solving system
22:27.29brlcadmiqlas: willing to open-source your model? :)
22:27.37miqlasSorry, i don't have time now for learning BRL-CAD :(
22:27.56brlcadwould be a good brep test case too
22:27.59miqlasMy diplom work will be published under CC.
22:28.12brlcadwhich CC?
22:28.25brlcadcc-by?
22:28.57miqlasCreative Commons, Noncommercial-Share Alike
22:29.15brlcadah, darn
22:29.31miqlasI think it is good for diplom work. And if somebody need it, he can make derivates.
22:29.42miqlasbrlcad, it is not good for You?
22:29.46brlcadyeah, just cc-by-nc isn't lgpl compatible due to the nc clause
22:30.24miqlasBut i don't like to see my teacher sell my work in his book.
22:30.26brlcadit's an okay license, just problematic for bundling it with brl-cad directly
22:31.38miqlasAh, but i think You don't need thousand s page hungarian language text... Then i can make an anoither package, only the CAD (may without parametric things) with lgpl compatible license.
22:32.14miqlasOr not? I don't know lot of things about it..
22:32.21brlcadyeah, I don't care about your thesis so much (no offense, of course) :)
22:32.39brlcadyou can do whatever you want with it assuming you hold the copyright
22:32.45miqlasYou need parametric or non-parametric model?
22:32.46``Erikhard to get into a thesis when ya don't speak the language :D
22:33.04miqlas:)
22:33.05``Erik(often hard to get into a thesis when you DO speak the language O.o)
22:33.33brlcadmiqlas: ideally the original files, whatever those are, and then exports in a few formats (parametric and non-parametric) like step, iges, and dxf exports
22:34.37brlcadlooks like you probably have sldprt,sldasm files
22:34.53miqlasThe Hungarian is an very beautifoul language, i think : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGaRnVTLK4Q
22:35.18miqlasAnd we have muuuuuch lot of bad words than the english or german.
22:35.49archivistmiqlas, was that being rotated or does soliworks 2009 do gases and pressure as well now /me is at 2004
22:36.06miqlasIf You like the traditional musis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXhLbq-3uNU (this is the last link, and i don't post more, You can beluive to me :)
22:36.34brlcadmiqlas: feel free to expand my list then! .. https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/misc/multilingualSwearList.txt
22:36.54brlcadhungarian is rather under-represented
22:37.22Ralithlol
22:37.34miqlasarchivist: , i added an virtual motor like thingie, but in the real life it works by thermal Stirling-cycle. (Isotherm expansion->Isochoric displacement->Isothermal compression->Isochoric displacement)
22:37.57archivistheh I used to know turkish and arabic swear words mid 1960's
22:39.03archivistmiqlas, I know how they work :) have done pressure diagrams for steam engine (turbo pascal)
22:39.39miqlasRealy? Oh... I have excel table for it :)
22:40.32archivistmodelling a steam engine expansion governor was fun
22:41.35miqlas:)
22:42.14miqlasMy stirling-engine video is very old, i almost redesigned now in CATIA V5 (brlcad, the CATIA format will good for You?).
22:43.06archivisthttp://www.archivist.plus.com/website/tour/dynamo.html that engine but the code is circa win95 , cant run it now :(
22:43.46brlcadmiqlas: hm, catia is probably the hardest to work with (but exports from there are fine: step, iges, etc)
22:44.17miqlasOkay, the i will give the modell for You in independent format.
22:44.45miqlasThis is my CAxx album, but sorry, there is not all of my work (sometimes i can't put it to here): http://boly.hu/~miqlas/galeria/index.php?album=g-p-szet
22:44.49brlcadawesome
22:45.58brlcadthat solidedge gear is pretty cool
22:46.24miqlasbrlcad, here is my email address: miqlas(_____at_____)gmail(_dot_)com , feel free to contact me.
22:47.14miqlasbrlcad: SEv10 is useless. It is an crap. But i was need use this version, because the university was have only this. I don't like remember for that.
22:47.27miqlasI have video about that gearbox, if You want see it.
22:48.19brlcadnah, the model itself is what is most interesting :)
22:50.02miqlashttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYGRiRTyYV0
22:50.38miqlasMy Quadro FX 4000 was don't have enough power for it...
22:51.35miqlasbrlcad, if You want i can provide the SolidEdge assembly for You.
22:52.00archivistdoes solidedge have gear mates?
22:52.14miqlasI don't know. I hate the SE.
22:52.35miqlasI was need to use it, but i hate all of the SE products. May, or may not have.
22:52.44archivistok
22:53.49miqlasbrlcad, do You need the assembly. I can give it to You under GPL.
22:54.51miqlasCATIA, SolidWorks is the best, i think (but not for anything). But for me the most interresthin thing is the FEA.
22:55.28``Erik"Jamie Hyneman Is A Douchebag" http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1908740 yeesh, what a cockbite
22:56.16miqlasBut i have the gearbox only in SEv10 academoc format...
22:56.40miqlasOn the next week i can convert it to step for You.
23:03.33miqlasIn the last semester i have "CAD-technics" subject. And what we learn? Yes, AutoCAD. Bah! I use it more than 8 years long... But we use it ...SURPRISE.. with commands. not with icons. Oh my God!... I hate this subject, because i can use AutoCad very well, and i need draw lot of small drawings, because my teacher don't belive to me.. :S
23:45.09Ralithcommands?

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