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| 00:48.16 | brlcad | wow |
| 00:48.28 | brlcad | so preliminary slot allocations were announced |
| 00:48.37 | brlcad | checks to see if I'm allowed to share |
| 00:48.47 | ``Erik | w00t, 0! go us! |
| 00:49.27 | brlcad | hehe |
| 00:50.10 | brlcad | looks like five orgs didn't get their allocations in |
| 00:50.10 | ``Erik | is kinda surprised at how many most projects got O.o 2 are a bit lower than I'd expect to see in the announcemen |
| 00:50.25 | brlcad | ``Erik: very likely they asked for that few |
| 00:50.31 | brlcad | especially if they're returning |
| 00:50.39 | ``Erik | 3 |
| 00:50.41 | brlcad | 'most' returning get what they ask for |
| 00:50.43 | ``Erik | um, |
| 00:50.46 | ``Erik | "bit lower" as in 0 |
| 00:50.53 | brlcad | ah, read the prolog |
| 00:50.59 | brlcad | 0 means they were stupid |
| 00:51.11 | brlcad | didn't put their count into the system |
| 00:52.32 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 00:52.40 | ``Erik | just a draft, ain't nothin' set in stone yet |
| 00:53.28 | brlcad | yep, might go down a slot or two |
| 00:53.49 | brlcad | but probably not too likely |
| 00:54.31 | brlcad | ``Erik: in any regard, it's enough to rank -- going to keep it pretty simple this year unless you feel compelled for the chart again |
| 00:54.52 | ``Erik | huh? chart? whu? |
| 00:54.53 | brlcad | I figure if everyone marks their top five, they should all sort to the top |
| 00:55.00 | brlcad | ``Erik: last year, the spreadsheet |
| 00:55.03 | ``Erik | oh |
| 00:55.11 | ``Erik | um, I read them all, I haven't commented on any yet |
| 00:55.14 | ``Erik | or rated |
| 00:55.38 | brlcad | right, I know :) |
| 00:55.40 | brlcad | time to rate :) |
| 00:55.42 | ``Erik | I think I might need to re-read and take notes, and try to correlate a couple irc names to handles |
| 00:55.52 | ``Erik | er, proposals |
| 00:56.00 | brlcad | only really need to rank your top five most interesting |
| 00:56.37 | ``Erik | a couple of them, I don't think I understand them well enough to know if I think they're interesting |
| 00:56.38 | brlcad | I marked two categories already, one for returning and another for what I thought were really good applications |
| 00:56.57 | brlcad | and I believe daniel has ranked too |
| 00:57.35 | ``Erik | can see pros and cons to returning, not entirely sure how he feels on that subject |
| 00:57.35 | brlcad | and I think he basically picked his favorite |
| 00:58.11 | brlcad | yeah, I went back and forth but there's been a general consensus that returning for one year is cool |
| 00:58.15 | brlcad | two years, not so cool |
| 00:58.19 | ``Erik | I imagine I'm not going to be assigned an explicit project, will just be a swiss army knife |
| 00:58.49 | brlcad | it's up to you, I was planning/hoping you would unless you want to do the admin evals at mid/final :) |
| 00:59.09 | ``Erik | nothing this year has really jumped out at me quite like last years batch did |
| 00:59.24 | brlcad | maybe that's a good thing :) |
| 01:00.18 | brlcad | starseeker: same for you, time to rank -- let me know if you have questions |
| 01:00.23 | brlcad | yukonbob: too :) |
| 01:04.05 | brlcad | (decided to not share the slot count for anyone keeping track since it's not final) |
| 01:05.45 | brlcad | wow, some of the umbrella orgs have really stepped it up slot-wise this year |
| 01:08.10 | brlcad | and wow, way to go elena .. whipped up a drupal module for her patch :) |
| 01:13.06 | Ralith | oh yeah, brlcad, I'll have those milestones written up by sunday, k? |
| 01:14.03 | Ralith | unless you want it sooner |
| 01:15.26 | brlcad | Ralith: I think that'll be okay |
| 01:15.42 | brlcad | Ralith: curious, of your two projects -- is either more appealing than the other? |
| 01:16.03 | brlcad | or better put, do you think you could enjoy working on either? |
| 01:16.47 | Ralith | I would enjoy both; I'd probably enjoy any not-incredibly-frustrating opportunity to make a useful contribution in a way that takes advantage of my skills. |
| 01:16.55 | Ralith | that's not to say I consider them equal, though |
| 01:17.55 | Ralith | I'm a little less confident about the GUI project as it's less well defined, but I'm very excited to work on it and bring us that much closer to a modern, userfriendly GUI. |
| 01:18.19 | Ralith | whereas the TCL work is fairly mundane, but I expect still rewarding, as we discussed. |
| 01:31.16 | ``Erik | ooh, krod mandoon in half an hour |
| 01:34.24 | yukonbob | views submissions.... |
| 01:38.28 | yukonbob | remind me: Are the "private comments" private w/i the group of mentors, or private between the student and a single mentor? |
| 01:38.34 | yukonbob | ``Erik: ---^ |
| 01:38.42 | yukonbob | brlcad: --^ |
| 01:42.04 | yukonbob | nm. |
| 01:48.15 | brlcad | yukonbob: private amongst mentors |
| 01:48.22 | yukonbob | saw :) |
| 01:48.27 | brlcad | see some of the other existing ones that have comments |
| 01:49.05 | brlcad | ``erik, starseeker, yukonbob: be sure to mark any you're willing to mentor too |
| 01:49.17 | brlcad | I can't sign you up for anything |
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| 02:09.39 | yukonbob | hey pacman87 |
| 02:09.44 | yukonbob | , PrezKennedy |
| 02:09.48 | pacman87 | hi yukonbob |
| 02:09.53 | PrezKennedy | hey yukonbob |
| 02:25.44 | ``Erik | knows, has been through this once before :) |
| 02:30.52 | yukonbob | packs out... little more reviewing to do, but is really pretty easy decision making... |
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| 04:08.02 | starseeker | brlcad: are we tracking anywhere who has submitted patches? |
| 05:36.39 | dreeves | brlcad you there? |
| 05:37.10 | dreeves | starseeker you around? |
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| 06:17.20 | yukonbob | dreeves: best way to ask a question is typically just ask... despite IRC being realtime, everybody isn't glued here all the time... we do read scrollback, though :) |
| 06:36.12 | pacman87 | the ones who are glued here all the time fall under the 'against their will' category in: |
| 06:36.14 | pacman87 | ~ask |
| 06:36.36 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 06:37.04 | yukonbob | waves to pacman87 |
| 06:37.10 | pacman87 | waves back |
| 06:37.23 | yukonbob | late in Texas, isn't it? |
| 06:37.31 | pacman87 | i'm currently working on my tetris program for the 6811 |
| 06:37.36 | pacman87 | yeah, 1:40 am |
| 06:37.45 | pacman87 | first class is at 2pm, though |
| 06:37.51 | yukonbob | nods |
| 06:38.00 | yukonbob | no work for me tmo... Good Friday |
| 06:38.16 | pacman87 | and i was up til 4am last night doing the circuit board layout |
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| 08:42.50 | brlcad | starseeker: pretty much in my head, you're welcome to ask them though |
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| 08:51.15 | hippieindamakin8 | gmorning folks |
| 08:53.22 | brlcad | howdy hippieindamakin8 |
| 08:53.54 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, yeah abt the patch i ll be able to submit it in by sunday |
| 08:54.32 | pacman87 | wanders off to sleep |
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| 10:19.31 | madant | ~sleep |
| 10:19.41 | ibot | methinks sleep is overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine. |
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| 12:46.36 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
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| 13:43.05 | starseeker | dreeves: sorry, I was out cold |
| 13:43.07 | starseeker | what's up? |
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| 13:44.47 | dreeves | starseeker that's alright I think I figured out what I was going to ask you |
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| 16:08.04 | brlcad | loves this: http://bzflag.bz/tmp/push_button.png |
| 16:20.54 | pacman87 | someone wrote that on the hand dryer in our bathroom |
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| 16:48.14 | ``Erik | free pizza, w00t |
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| 19:33.54 | ``Erik | huh http://www.indiangeek.net/programmer-competency-matrix/ |
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| 21:28.11 | Malyce | hi, I was trying to make a makefile for the coreInterface code |
| 21:28.38 | Malyce | I wasn't sure exactly how to link the coreInterface files to the already built brl-cad files |
| 21:28.59 | Malyce | I am thinking the easiest way would be to append to the already existing makefile |
| 21:29.04 | Malyce | for the main code |
| 21:29.30 | Malyce | but, it is too complex, and I am having trouble understanding it |
| 21:33.57 | yukonbob | ``Erik: re: matrix -- "Level 3: maintains a blog with personal insights and thoughts on programming" |
| 21:39.30 | ``Erik | it's an amusing matrix from a winiot newb dev, wouldn't put a lot of stock in it, but it was amusing :) |
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| 21:50.43 | yukonbob | ``Erik: re: putting stock in: agreed, but a bit interesting... |
| 21:50.53 | yukonbob | ``Erik: so... .where's your blog? |
| 21:50.54 | yukonbob | :) |
| 21:57.27 | ``Erik | I have a blog? |
| 21:59.47 | Malyce2 | You have a blog ? |
| 22:16.57 | Malyce2 | soooo, noone to talk to here ? |
| 22:17.01 | ``Erik | ssh |
| 22:17.07 | yukonbob | we're sleeping here!! |
| 22:17.09 | ``Erik | we're trying to lurk here |
| 22:17.21 | yukonbob | sleeps, ``Erik lurks |
| 22:17.34 | archivist | admits nothing |
| 22:17.38 | ``Erik | in the shadows... waiting to pounce |
| 22:17.45 | ``Erik | stalks his 12oz prey o.O |
| 22:17.46 | Ralith | admits everything! |
| 22:17.50 | yukonbob | like a puma? |
| 22:18.03 | Malyce2 | is bored |
| 22:18.13 | yukonbob | Malyce2: write a patch? |
| 22:18.15 | alex_joni | bored? what is that? |
| 22:18.20 | Malyce2 | how do you guys keep changing your statuses ? |
| 22:18.25 | yukonbob | model a moose? |
| 22:18.30 | Malyce2 | That's what I yam doin |
| 22:18.31 | alex_joni | a supercow |
| 22:18.38 | Ralith | a tron cycle |
| 22:18.39 | Malyce2 | That's who I am, supercow |
| 22:18.40 | ``Erik | looks at the patch ideas, bug list, todo lists, etc and wonders how ANYONE could be bored around here O.o |
| 22:18.44 | yukonbob | Ralith++ |
| 22:18.56 | Malyce2 | hey, so abt the makefile thingie |
| 22:19.07 | Ralith | boredom is what happens when you refuse to let yourself do something. |
| 22:19.14 | ``Erik | http://www.onlinegamingradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/tron_guy.jpg <-- ralith |
| 22:19.42 | yukonbob | !HA |
| 22:19.46 | Malyce2 | since I am working with coreInterface, I am making my own makefile. I don't know how to link it to the already built brl-cad libraries |
| 22:19.49 | Malyce2 | no clue ? |
| 22:20.03 | ``Erik | probably something like "-L/usr/brlcad/lib -lrt" |
| 22:20.12 | Ralith | don't hardcode that though |
| 22:20.14 | Ralith | get it from pkgconfig |
| 22:20.39 | Malyce2 | I haven't done this before, and the tut's don't say anything. |
| 22:21.02 | Malyce2 | Am I not also suppose to link with the headers and C files from the main brl-cad ? |
| 22:21.03 | Ralith | you using cmake or GBS? |
| 22:21.08 | Malyce2 | GBS |
| 22:21.21 | Ralith | google up some docs |
| 22:21.30 | Malyce2 | not used to working with large projs, so noob here |
| 22:21.33 | Ralith | it's not too hard to set up a simple project and get linker flags from pkgconfig |
| 22:21.48 | Malyce2 | I'll look it up |
| 22:22.11 | yukonbob | thinks he likes cmake |
| 22:22.17 | Ralith | likes cmake too. |
| 22:22.31 | ``Erik | rt^3 should have autoconf stuff that fills that all in for you, though |
| 22:22.34 | Ralith | y'still want to use pkgconfig to get paths, though |
| 22:22.59 | Ralith | was amazed that nobody had noticed the pkg-config files were broken. |
| 22:23.03 | yukonbob | _does_ wonder why they're inventing a new language though, instead of intergrating something like python or tcl, which are finished languages with less-goffy syntax :P |
| 22:23.14 | yukonbob | *less-goofy |
| 22:23.18 | Ralith | yukonbob: fewer dependencies perhaps? |
| 22:23.29 | ``Erik | because those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it |
| 22:23.36 | yukonbob | ``Erik++ |
| 22:23.38 | Malyce2 | I am not using all of rt^3 |
| 22:23.44 | yukonbob | Ralith: tcl is so light, it's stupid. |
| 22:23.48 | Malyce2 | only CoreInterface. You recommend getting all of it ? |
| 22:23.58 | ``Erik | so? do the autoconf cycle, run ./configure, then cd into the coreInterface directory and do maket here |
| 22:24.19 | ``Erik | or build it all, once that's done, only your changes will be recompiled, unchanged stuff will just sit there |
| 22:24.43 | Ralith | yukonbob: owell. |
| 22:24.52 | Ralith | cmake is nevertheless shiny. |
| 22:25.08 | yukonbob | nods... |
| 22:25.15 | ``Erik | so're the 12 other popular auto* imitations |
| 22:25.25 | yukonbob | easier for me to wrap brain around than auto*, libtool, etc. |
| 22:27.25 | yukonbob | ``Erik: only other systems I've played with are hand-coded Makefile (great for trivial tasks), scons, and cmake |
| 22:27.47 | yukonbob | java has a few, but unfortunately are java-bases ;P |
| 22:27.51 | yukonbob | *based |
| 22:27.56 | yukonbob | (ant) |
| 22:27.57 | ``Erik | eck, ant *shudder* |
| 22:28.36 | ``Erik | auto* is one of those things where it's all magic and confusing, then there's a eureka moment and you kick yourself for not seeing it before |
| 22:28.37 | Ralith | I like cmake's skill at finding deps even with few hints and its percentful output |
| 22:28.42 | yukonbob | "enterprise" class (i.e.: requires a contract with consultants to make work reasonably) |
| 22:29.01 | Ralith | percent complete is awesome to have. |
| 22:29.04 | ``Erik | it's all really really super-simple, but it does impressive stuff... so people assume there's more to it :( it's really simple substitution rules |
| 22:29.18 | yukonbob | does _not_ like the %-full output, or the colours... but feh. |
| 22:29.24 | Ralith | colors aren't necessary |
| 22:29.39 | Ralith | but don't tell me you've never been staring at a firefox build wondering just how far along it is |
| 22:30.03 | Ralith | even if it's no ETA, it's nice to know whether you're just beginning or about to finish. |
| 22:30.12 | ``Erik | runs system update builds in another window and goes to do other stuff |
| 22:30.23 | ``Erik | staring at it won't make it go faster |
| 22:30.32 | Ralith | lies! |
| 22:30.35 | ``Erik | :D what's the phrase, a watched pot never boils? |
| 22:30.53 | Ralith | the problem is when 'other stuff' conflicts with the build |
| 22:30.56 | yukonbob | even a stoped clock gives the right time, twice a day? |
| 22:31.04 | yukonbob | a stich in time saves 9? |
| 22:31.07 | Ralith | e.g. installing other stuff, fiddling with X, rebooting for w/e reason... |
| 22:31.16 | Ralith | not common cases but really annoying when they come up |
| 22:31.18 | ``Erik | a penny saved is a penny *smacks yukonbob* |
| 22:31.19 | yukonbob | let sleeping dogs lie |
| 22:31.26 | yukonbob | LOL |
| 22:31.41 | yukonbob | is channelling "too much coffee man vs. cliche man" |
| 22:32.22 | yukonbob | ``Erik: interstingly, your reply is similar to what gave tmcm the edge in the battle. |
| 22:32.40 | ``Erik | tmcm? |
| 22:33.14 | ``Erik | too much coffee man |
| 22:33.41 | ``Erik | not on my usual webcomic rotation |
| 22:33.54 | yukonbob | http://library.buffalo.edu/libraries/asl/guides/graphicnovels/img/Coffee1.jpg |
| 22:35.52 | yukonbob | http://comixtalk.com/images/july2006/coffee2.png |
| 22:37.29 | ``Erik | or, uh, http://www.tmcm.com/comics/webcomics/001_waste ? |
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| 22:58.52 | Malyce | why is the firefox browser in ubuntu, so ridiculously slow ? |
| 22:59.08 | Malyce | it really sucks compared to firefox in windows |
| 23:02.17 | Malyce | And I don't mean the internetss . This app hangs like every 2 secs |
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| 23:19.42 | Ralith | Malyce: it's not. |
| 23:19.55 | Ralith | well, not in the sense you describe anyway |
| 23:22.09 | Malyce | maybe its because I have Ubuntu mid right now |
| 23:22.40 | Malyce | its supposed to be for Intel Atom processors. But, I find it hard to believe that any Ubuntu distro would run slower than windows |
| 23:33.25 | ``Erik | might be worth monitoring your memory and swap utilization |
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| 23:39.32 | starseeker | dreeves: IIRC, the next step for brep is incorporating Utah's trimming? |
| 23:43.18 | Ralith | Malyce: what normally causes that kind of behavior is you having far too little memory for what you're trying to do |
| 23:48.48 | Malyce | could be true. Windoze does sometimes lag, because this is a low-end machine with only 512 megs. But, its seems to handle it much better |
| 23:49.20 | Malyce | I think I will experiment with other distros, and see |
| 23:59.58 | Ralith | this is probably because you are not trying to run as many apps in windows. |
