| 00:59.03 | ``Erik | installs rsync on the new machines heh |
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| 02:36.46 | ``Erik | yuh oh |
| 02:53.22 | brlcad | mm? |
| 02:55.45 | ``Erik | um, /usr/web is bigger than the new mcahines /usr, I'm making /usr/home/web |
| 02:56.03 | ``Erik | with symlinks, of course |
| 03:05.40 | madant | wonders when 1 PB hard-disks are going to be commonplace |
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| 03:14.01 | ``Erik | yowza, a 9tb sata drive |
| 03:15.55 | ``Erik | form factor sizes may need to go up to get bigger drives it they cant' figure out a way to pack data tighter |
| 03:16.11 | ``Erik | s/it/if/ |
| 04:02.01 | madant | hmm.. but i guess maybe 7 years down the line ;) |
| 04:09.00 | ``Erik | mebbe *shrug* or mebbe we'll find a better medium |
| 04:10.41 | ``Erik | I vagually recall something about a special quartz that used lasers to isolate polarized molecules in a cube, was on a show called "beyond 2000" back in the mid 90's iirc, something like that (a real 3d lattice opposed to ferrous material on a 2d surface) might be that kick |
| 04:13.25 | madant | true .. i mean without a better medium it would be tough to make much more progress they have literally squeezed everything possible out of the present tech :D |
| 04:13.53 | ``Erik | yeah, they've already stood the dipoles on end to pack them tighter heh |
| 04:14.44 | ``Erik | little more intense than painting an iron oxide goop on some mylar and calling it good heh |
| 06:06.28 | starseeker | sees QT 4.5 is out and heads to download it |
| 06:08.20 | starseeker | wonders a little why the file is ".bin" extension... |
| 06:23.15 | starseeker | ah, fancy installer |
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| 12:34.08 | brlcad | owchies |
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| 12:56.08 | Axman6 | BigAToo: knee + desk? |
| 12:56.22 | d-lo | mornin all. |
| 12:57.30 | brlcad | howdy d |
| 12:57.44 | d-lo | brlcad: hows the shoulder? |
| 13:00.38 | brlcad | bout the same |
| 13:00.45 | d-lo | bah suckage. |
| 13:01.00 | d-lo | Just getting up or heading to sleep? ;) |
| 13:55.44 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
| 13:56.04 | ``Erik | didja take a look at vegastrike, dlo? |
| 13:57.43 | d-lo | no, not yet. Youngest is coming down with a cold (again) and that took most of my evening up :/ |
| 13:57.52 | ``Erik | ah, bummer |
| 13:58.20 | d-lo | Yeah.... its always a precursor to *EVERYONE* getting sick. |
| 13:58.36 | ``Erik | http://vegastrike.sourceforge.net/ when you get time, it might be just the thing you're looking for |
| 13:58.53 | d-lo | So its time to swing by the store and get more Vitamin-C and Clorox Wipes. |
| 13:59.32 | ``Erik | hrm, I bought some zinc pills after mike (g) claimed they help, can't make any claim to how effective they are (if at all) though |
| 14:01.35 | d-lo | cool, thanks for the linkage. |
| 14:01.56 | d-lo | Yeah, been trying a few different 'remedies' zinc is among them. |
| 14:04.37 | ``Erik | didn't see a release announcement :/ |
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| 14:10.35 | madant | shoulder ? |
| 14:33.17 | starseeker | has tried vegastrike but never figured it out well enough to start playing it properly |
| 14:34.29 | ``Erik | the default one is very elite-like (a pain to get into) |
| 14:35.01 | ``Erik | um, for some reason, I was thinking it was a wc clone yesterday, I think it may've started as that and changed? I dun 'member no mo' |
| 14:35.33 | ``Erik | mebbe I was looking for a wc and came across it *shrug* |
| 14:35.41 | starseeker | there are mods for it (I think someone did some Star Trek models) |
| 14:35.45 | ``Erik | (wc == wing commander, in case anyone's wondering) |
| 14:35.55 | ``Erik | yeah, the privateer one looks interesting |
| 14:36.15 | brlcad | madant: just a rotator cuff injury I'm working on healing |
| 14:36.17 | starseeker | AFAIK, it's the best open source game of its type |
| 14:36.40 | ``Erik | d-lo has neat ideas for a space game, vs might be a good starting point *shrug* :) |
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| 14:37.35 | starseeker | ooooo - I hadn't looked closely at the Paraview license |
| 14:38.27 | madant | :) get well soon |
| 14:38.31 | starseeker | It looks like it might actually be all BSD or close enough |
| 14:39.05 | brlcad | starseeker: it is the 3-clause bsd |
| 14:39.30 | starseeker | is that the one with the advertising clause? |
| 14:39.36 | brlcad | changed last year iirc |
| 14:39.44 | brlcad | no, that's what it was |
| 14:39.47 | brlcad | the four clause |
| 14:39.50 | starseeker | ah, cooooool |
| 14:40.09 | ``Erik | hm, the bsd weenies tend to call it the 'revised bsd license' |
| 14:40.13 | starseeker | will attempt building the GUI interface code for paraview with QT 4.5 :-) |
| 14:40.14 | ``Erik | :) |
| 14:40.52 | ``Erik | sometimes 'sans advertising clause license', but I haven't heard that one in a while |
| 14:40.58 | brlcad | s/the/a/ their fouth clause had something to do about markings |
| 14:41.05 | brlcad | not advert |
| 14:41.23 | ``Erik | uhm, it was the one that said you had to give credits to the reagents of ucb |
| 14:41.32 | starseeker | Heh - http://www.paraview.org/paraview/img/xm1002.png |
| 14:41.46 | starseeker | Jerry Clarke (US Army Research Laboratory) |
| 14:42.12 | ``Erik | heh, isn't that one of the images in the conf room we use? |
| 14:42.31 | starseeker | might be |
| 14:44.36 | ``Erik | brlcad: I've bee n moving data using tar over a ssh tunnel, because I'm a bad netizen. :) once it's as good as I feel like getting it, I'll let you worry about rsync some. Making rsync work will probably involve mucking with the old system in a way that compromise security O.o (too many files/dirs that aren't world/group readable) |
| 14:47.04 | brlcad | eh, it shouldn't -- the sync it does now runs as root -- just need/want to run as root on the receiving end too so it can reconstitute all of the users/groups/perms/links |
| 14:48.21 | ``Erik | hm, I d'no how to set up a 'server' component, running 'rsync -avz -e ssh erik@bz.bzflag.bz:/some/dir /some/dir' gives me permission issues |
| 14:49.07 | brlcad | right, cause that's "erik" on the receiving end |
| 14:49.10 | ``Erik | since it was first copy, I figured the path of least resistance was good old tar |
| 14:49.18 | ``Erik | root login should be disabled, though |
| 14:49.24 | brlcad | have to open up root ssh for the sync |
| 14:49.25 | ``Erik | and I couldn't figure out how to convince it to sudo |
| 14:49.33 | ``Erik | oh, well, that's the thing I didn't want to do :) |
| 14:50.03 | ``Erik | will make a new account with uid 0 for this |
| 14:50.10 | ``Erik | once the tar copying is over |
| 14:50.14 | brlcad | it's only temporary, and you can push from bz instead of pulling so you only need new server to have root ssh open |
| 14:50.28 | ``Erik | I'd be more apt to make the old server vulnerable than the new one |
| 14:50.29 | ``Erik | :) |
| 14:50.49 | brlcad | yeah, that'd be better |
| 14:51.12 | ``Erik | ok, I thought I was missing something, guess it really is linux grade ugly |
| 14:51.20 | brlcad | there's a way to set up an rsync server on the receiving end too, but don't have experience with that |
| 14:51.57 | ``Erik | yeah, I saw some stuff about setting up stuff in sudoers, but that page left out details on how to actually kick it off |
| 14:52.41 | brlcad | it's very close to tar+ssh, just that it does only as much as it needs, can be throttled down, and be interrupted and pick up where it left off, will do hard link, recreate user/perms, etc |
| 14:53.20 | brlcad | and gives a nice report |
| 14:54.18 | ``Erik | I'm currently doing something like "ssh bz.bzflag.bz 'cd /some/dir ; sudo tar zcf - .' | sudo tar zxvf -" |
| 14:55.08 | ``Erik | the remote sudo is the part that's making rsync unfun :D |
| 14:55.10 | brlcad | nods |
| 14:55.37 | brlcad | you'd have to add the sudoers to make it promptless |
| 14:56.20 | ``Erik | hrm, rsync automatically tries to sudo but fails if prompted? |
| 14:57.52 | brlcad | hm? no rsync just uses the connection method you specify and runs rsync on the remote |
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| 15:00.21 | starseeker | hmm, interesting - plplot is apparently using cmake to build docbook http://plplot.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/plplot/trunk/doc/docbook/src/CMakeLists.txt?revision=9044&view=markup |
| 15:00.34 | starseeker | 'course, they're not using fop... |
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| 15:03.14 | starseeker | puts down the fun toys and heads in to get some Real Work done |
| 15:47.04 | ``Erik | (anyone gonna be up for lunch?) |
| 15:48.13 | ``Erik | hrm, I think the bulk of the data may be moved |
| 15:48.44 | ``Erik | aaahhhHHHHHhhhhh, -rsync-path="sudo rsync" ! |
| 15:58.45 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33939 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/gqa.c: |
| 15:58.45 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: Modified get_densities_from_database by copying the density data to a character |
| 15:58.45 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: array that is one byte bigger. This larger array gets passed to |
| 15:58.45 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: parse_densities_buffer which writes an EOS in buf[len] to make the code more |
| 15:58.45 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: succinct. |
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| 18:17.39 | ``Erik | rebuilds all of macports on his lappie |
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| 18:26.55 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33940 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: re-encountered a bug in the X24 interface where it crashes if the image size is small. give a specific test case that provokes the crash (implicitly using /dev/X). |
| 18:30.17 | ``Erik | wonders if a cleanup party shoulda been called for before moving data |
| 18:30.33 | brlcad | nah |
| 18:30.44 | ``Erik | lots of huge tmp dirs |
| 18:30.50 | brlcad | ]the egregious use has been already trimmed |
| 18:31.27 | ``Erik | lots of mp3s O.o |
| 18:32.07 | ``Erik | thinks -v may not've been an optimal flag |
| 18:32.13 | starseeker | could probably get rid of some of the old screenshots, or put them in the gallery... |
| 18:32.24 | ``Erik | how many gigs are you using for those? :D |
| 18:32.37 | starseeker | checks |
| 18:32.47 | ``Erik | bets less than one |
| 18:34.45 | starseeker | hmm - apperently my whole directory is less than 1 gig |
| 18:34.56 | starseeker | all rightie then |
| 18:34.57 | ``Erik | *shrug* if brlcad is ok with the amount of data being moved, *shrug* it's his bandwidth and his dollar |
| 18:35.24 | starseeker | evidently can't help too much anyway, at least in a relative sense |
| 18:35.48 | ``Erik | yeah, I think I'm at 115 megs in my home directory heh |
| 18:36.34 | starseeker | that image file for the earth screenshots is 180 megs |
| 18:36.44 | ``Erik | irrelevant |
| 18:36.58 | starseeker | hates to delete that anyway - NASA may move or remove it at whim |
| 18:37.16 | ``Erik | out of something like 65 gigs to be moved, it's neglegible |
| 18:37.31 | ``Erik | don't worry :) |
| 18:37.52 | starseeker | wow |
| 18:38.14 | starseeker | heh - Multics 1992 tarball is less than that one image |
| 18:38.38 | ``Erik | heh |
| 18:38.41 | ``Erik | y'know |
| 18:38.51 | ``Erik | in '00, I was talking to astronomy students |
| 18:39.29 | ``Erik | they claimed that there was no way that computer imaging would ever be usable, they were still pulling new data off of 50 year old plats |
| 18:39.53 | ``Erik | and now they're using ccd arrays (exactly what I was tlaking about almost ten years ago) to do astronomy.. size grows fast, we need more dataz :D |
| 18:40.02 | starseeker | :-) |
| 18:40.09 | starseeker | wonder if they scanned the old plates |
| 18:40.20 | ``Erik | imagine trying to cope with your image on a '92 machine |
| 18:40.31 | starseeker | winces |
| 18:40.48 | ``Erik | lets see, I BELIEVE around '92, I had a 486dx33 with 4 megs of ram, my buddy had just gotten a 486 that had 8 megs of ram |
| 18:40.48 | starseeker | Yeah, things have really changed |
| 18:40.57 | ``Erik | I was really jealous, he didn't need a special boot disk to run doom2 |
| 18:41.14 | starseeker | is currently trying to download a complete copy of the US Census 2008 Tiger data |
| 18:41.31 | ``Erik | um, don't do it to bz, pls :) |
| 18:41.35 | starseeker | no, no |
| 18:41.43 | starseeker | got a terabyte external hd |
| 18:41.57 | ``Erik | ah, I almost bought a couple tb sata's and a card last nigiht |
| 18:42.00 | starseeker | also have national atlas data on that :-) |
| 18:42.13 | brlcad | this was and interesting hopkins project, basically scan about 1/4 of the sky -- http://www.sdss.jhu.edu/ |
| 18:42.20 | starseeker | Really Good Stuff, and all free. |
| 18:42.45 | ``Erik | shoot, I found an awesome website a month or so ago, lemme try to refind it |
| 18:42.50 | brlcad | the numbers there are a bit old, though to put it into perspective, that was 40TB back around 1996 |
| 18:43.06 | starseeker | holy cow |
| 18:43.44 | starseeker | will probably backup more of public.resource.org too |
| 18:45.00 | starseeker | notes they don't have a torrent for the whole sky survey yet :-) |
| 18:45.32 | ``Erik | feck, can't find it now... was a site where you put in your lat, long, and time, and it shows you hemisphere mapping of the sky with various objects annotated |
| 18:45.33 | ``Erik | :( |
| 18:45.57 | ``Erik | http://www.fourmilab.ch/yoursky/ looks similar, but cruder |
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| 19:43.34 | starseeker | tries the rtarea patch and blinks at the huge numbers it's spitting back |
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| 20:42.37 | ``Erik | ack, lisp pinkie |
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| 22:31.31 | brlcad | starseeker: gave richard rtarea to work on yesterday, might just let him fool with it for a few weeks |
| 23:02.25 | ``Erik | to what end? |
| 23:06.15 | brlcad | get cpa working |
| 23:06.24 | brlcad | and verified |
| 23:06.26 | brlcad | and optional |
| 23:06.54 | brlcad | should be a nice bite-sized project to work on |
| 23:07.02 | ``Erik | erm, cpa? (brainfart moment?) |
| 23:07.10 | brlcad | center of presented area |
| 23:07.15 | ``Erik | ah |
| 23:07.53 | brlcad | then work on options to ignore subobjects or do automatic smoothing to give a biased area |
| 23:07.54 | ``Erik | needs to trick [] into sending () :/ suffering lithp pinky |
| 23:08.26 | ``Erik | for some reason, I was thinking rtedge heh :) |
| 23:24.07 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33942 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/geometree/GeometryBrowser.tcl: All roads now lead to the same result as far as the -u option to tops is concerned. |
| 23:25.41 | brlcad | -u made it not show _GLOBAL iirc |
