| 00:04.36 | brlcad | starseeker: just caught one of the first commits from today -- the *_LIBRARY_PATH foo you're using won't work |
| 00:04.53 | starseeker | hmm. OK |
| 00:04.56 | brlcad | those are read by the linker before/while a binary is being loaded |
| 00:05.18 | starseeker | was basing it off the sh scripts |
| 00:05.28 | brlcad | if you're running the tclsh that got you to those set env()'s then you're not on a platform/environment that needed them set in the first place |
| 00:05.39 | brlcad | yep, they set it *before* the binary is called |
| 00:05.57 | starseeker | I thought I was too |
| 00:06.00 | starseeker | looks again |
| 00:06.15 | brlcad | I'm looking at tcl code.. |
| 00:06.23 | brlcad | if it's running tcl code, then it doesn't matter |
| 00:06.32 | starseeker | oh, point |
| 00:06.33 | brlcad | because tclsh is running |
| 00:06.36 | starseeker | k |
| 00:06.44 | brlcad | ld is done with its job |
| 00:07.09 | brlcad | there is an old hack you can use, though -- a script that doubles as both a shell and tcl script -- old trick |
| 00:08.06 | brlcad | look at src/tclscripts/ami.tcl to see an example -- it's a shell script that can be invoked as either a shell script or a tcl script |
| 00:08.27 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33724 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/mged.tcl: Remove env logic - won't work inside tclsh |
| 00:08.28 | brlcad | actually better example |
| 00:08.33 | brlcad | look at src/archer/archer |
| 00:08.42 | brlcad | that even sets env vars and reinvokes |
| 00:09.40 | brlcad | the "trick" is because tcl and sh handle line-comments differently, with sh ignoring comment continuations and tcl not ignoring them |
| 00:10.54 | starseeker | blast - I was hoping staying completely within tcl land would avoid the need for shell scripting, and let us run these on Windows |
| 00:11.37 | brlcad | it would run on windows |
| 00:11.56 | brlcad | they work as tcl scripts -- and on windows you're not going to have an LD error |
| 00:12.09 | starseeker | ah |
| 00:12.20 | brlcad | fed through tclsh, it'll ignore the shell lines |
| 00:13.19 | brlcad | for the nix platforms, they can either be fed through sh (which will read the sh lines, set *_LIBRARY_PATH accordingly, and then reinvoke as tcl) or push the LD wrapping back up into make (like src/tclscripts/Makefile.am does for ami.tcl) |
| 00:13.46 | starseeker | Hmm. What's the preferred way? |
| 00:14.15 | brlcad | probably to push it up into the Makefile.am |
| 00:14.22 | brlcad | keeps the scripts more simple like you have them |
| 00:14.28 | brlcad | rather, even more so |
| 00:15.12 | brlcad | if it really gets messier than the three lines it takes now, you could wrap the whole thing in a script anyways |
| 00:15.42 | starseeker | nods |
| 00:15.54 | starseeker | I'll give the Makefile.am way a quick go |
| 00:16.43 | brlcad | see if mged works for you though .. don't have a clean build here, but if that's a prevalent bug, that'd require an emergency fix and release of 7.14.6 |
| 00:17.58 | starseeker | let me check |
| 00:18.26 | starseeker | what command is it accepting? |
| 00:18.33 | brlcad | anything and everything |
| 00:18.36 | brlcad | sdlfakjhsdlkj |
| 00:18.53 | starseeker | yeah - I don't know if it's doing anything with them but it is accepting them |
| 00:19.20 | brlcad | nope, nothing works afaict |
| 00:19.22 | starseeker | I take it it should be flashing the error about no db being open? |
| 00:19.23 | brlcad | opendb test.g |
| 00:19.33 | brlcad | every command fails |
| 00:19.39 | starseeker | same here |
| 00:19.40 | brlcad | rather .. does nothing |
| 00:19.51 | brlcad | okay, that's pretty critical |
| 00:20.04 | starseeker | hrm - libged related? |
| 00:20.23 | brlcad | don't know but highly possible |
| 00:20.30 | starseeker | oh great |
| 00:20.44 | starseeker | starts digging in src/mged |
| 00:21.08 | brlcad | pulls the source uploads |
| 00:24.48 | brlcad | arf, have to do a 7.14.4 as soon as that's fixed |
| 00:32.42 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33725 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/Makefile.am: Move the path logic to Makefile.am where it will actually work (thanks Sean) |
| 00:36.53 | starseeker | hmm - ged_refresh_handler calls refresh... |
| 00:40.53 | starseeker | OK, it never gets as far as calling f_quit when I type quit, so its messed up before that... |
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| 00:51.26 | starseeker | brlcad: Ick - this is one of those right on the border between Tcl and C |
| 00:51.36 | starseeker | it's getting to refresh |
| 00:51.57 | andrecastelo | howdy :D |
| 00:52.19 | starseeker | howdy :-) |
| 01:22.08 | starseeker | brlcad: right now, my best guess is that it has something to do with gedp->ged_gdp->gd_rtCmdNotify being set to mged_rtCmdNotify when a file is loaded, but not without a file loaded (since gedp doesn't point to a structure) |
| 01:31.59 | starseeker | If I do the naive thing and initialize a ged struct with a pointer to NULL, it starts up in classic mode and doesn't correctly handle anything. |
| 01:32.29 | starseeker | perhaps ged has some sort of built in assumption about a database being open before processing commands? |
| 01:34.01 | starseeker | in src/mged/mged.c lines 657-680 is where mged_rtCmdNotify is being assigned |
| 01:34.16 | starseeker | or not assigned, as the case may be |
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| 02:57.45 | Mouette | so,these problems still haven't solution in solaris platform? |
| 03:06.43 | Mouette | 7.14.2 sourcecode in sourceforge.net is disappear!!!! @@ |
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| 03:54.04 | starseeker | Mouette: We found a problem that needs fixing |
| 03:56.52 | Mouette | so you delete that sourcecode? |
| 03:57.04 | starseeker | brlcad took it down, I believe |
| 03:57.20 | starseeker | you can still get the source code from svn, if you want it - but it's busted right now |
| 03:57.54 | Mouette | no, i like wait stable version |
| 04:00.02 | brlcad | Mouette: I disabled it, though I believe the direct link is still valid if you had it -- there's a problem with it so it was disabled |
| 04:02.35 | brlcad | starseeker: I've not looked, but the problem almost guaranteed has something to do with the ged command wrapper in mged |
| 04:02.53 | starseeker | I emailed Bob |
| 04:03.09 | starseeker | needs to get some sleep tonight, but he may be able to spot it right off tomoroww morning |
| 04:03.21 | starseeker | can't spell |
| 04:04.11 | brlcad | bets it's cmd.c:351 |
| 04:05.00 | starseeker | that could be it |
| 04:05.31 | starseeker | wonders why he didn't notice that in the gdb back trace for the case with a file loaded |
| 04:05.37 | brlcad | yep |
| 04:05.47 | brlcad | gedp is only set during f_opendb |
| 04:05.51 | brlcad | that's not right |
| 04:41.31 | brlcad | now the other question is how classic mode works but graphical doesn't |
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| 06:25.09 | brlcad | closes up gdb for the night only fixing the one bug but not very well |
| 06:26.45 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33726 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/ (mged.c setup.c): gedp needs to be non-null. it should exist for the life of the caller making libged calls. move ged init into mged_setup but keep the wdbp association else all goes to hell. |
| 06:29.10 | brlcad | that seemds to do the trick here, but I'm sure there's more to it |
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| 11:05.58 | d-lo | Morning all! |
| 11:06.21 | brlcad | yawns |
| 11:07.45 | d-lo | just waking or getting ready to crash? |
| 11:07.55 | d-lo | or do I already know the answer :) |
| 11:08.37 | d-lo | just FYI: /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/X11/lib/libX11.so when searching for -lX11 |
| 11:08.50 | d-lo | so I think I will talk with Brian today :/ |
| 11:09.06 | brlcad | what type is it? |
| 11:09.31 | d-lo | What type is what? The X11 lib? |
| 11:09.35 | brlcad | yep |
| 11:09.54 | brlcad | if it's incompatible, you can often make it compatible |
| 11:10.00 | d-lo | I get that linker error for both the .so and the .a |
| 11:10.04 | brlcad | sure |
| 11:10.24 | brlcad | it's the 'why' it's incompatible that matters |
| 11:10.34 | d-lo | I am going to try a few more things. I just noticed the path is getting the libs from /lib/ and not /lib64/ |
| 11:10.46 | d-lo | How can I find out the 'why' ? |
| 11:11.04 | brlcad | don't guess, just run "file" on it -- it'll tell you its type, then run file on one of your .o files to see what type you're building |
| 11:12.06 | d-lo | run file on one of the .o's generated during the brlcad build? |
| 11:12.19 | brlcad | you have others? :) |
| 11:12.34 | d-lo | :) Just verifying info when I am in uncharted waters :) |
| 11:12.49 | d-lo | apologizes for abnoxious q's :) |
| 11:13.45 | brlcad | is usually sarcastic, bitter, and brief in the unintended early prelight hours |
| 11:14.46 | d-lo | well, the build is hanging up in: brlcad/src/other/tk/unix/ and so i picked the last .o generated: tkUnixXId.o: ELF 64-bit LSB relocatable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped |
| 11:15.02 | d-lo | ....and that tells me that I am building a 64-bit version? |
| 11:19.45 | brlcad | it tells you a lot of things, one being that it's building 64-bit version |
| 11:20.18 | brlcad | more importantly, what is the .so's type |
| 11:21.06 | brlcad | also important is whether it was incompatible, skipped, and it simply used something else (that was compatible) or whether it skipped and linked nothing/failed |
| 11:21.21 | brlcad | the message by itself could be innocuous |
| 11:21.42 | d-lo | the .so files are not generated yet. |
| 11:21.51 | d-lo | or are you speaking of the .so of the X11 libs |
| 11:21.52 | d-lo | ? |
| 11:21.53 | brlcad | o.O |
| 11:22.08 | brlcad | i'm speaking of the .so that is supposedly .. incompatible |
| 11:23.04 | brlcad | the point is you compare types to see why it's incompatible |
| 11:23.14 | brlcad | if it's a simple 32/64, you can do something about that |
| 11:23.51 | d-lo | Yeah, its saying its a 32bit lib. |
| 11:24.43 | d-lo | Hrm, configure is showing both -L/usr/X11/lib and -L/usr/X11/lib64 for linker flags |
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| 11:26.28 | brlcad | hence my other point |
| 11:26.43 | brlcad | rather important is whether it was incompatible, skipped, and it simply used something else (that was compatible) or whether it skipped and linked nothing/failed |
| 11:27.25 | d-lo | Well I have tried ./configure --with-x11=/usr/X11/lib64 (and a few other variants) with no change :/ |
| 11:28.35 | brlcad | but have you confirmed that you need to change it? |
| 11:28.46 | d-lo | Okay, more info: |
| 11:28.58 | brlcad | given both dirs are listed, the incompatible statement probably doesn't matter |
| 11:29.11 | d-lo | When I simply ./configure, I get a LD error stating it cannot find -lX11 |
| 11:29.39 | d-lo | When I ./configure --with-x11=/usr/X11 then I get the incompatable error. |
| 11:29.59 | d-lo | So I know i need to point the configure to the 64 bit flavor of X11, but I am not succeeding. |
| 11:30.13 | brlcad | do you even *have* a 64-bit flavor of X11 |
| 11:30.57 | d-lo | yep: libX11.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), stripped |
| 11:31.21 | d-lo | after you tossed me the 'file' bone, I went and verified the files in the /usr/X11/lib64 dir |
| 11:31.36 | d-lo | so its there, but the pathing is somehow messed up :/ |
| 11:31.47 | brlcad | so then it's just path foo missing |
| 11:32.13 | brlcad | try --enable-64bit, if that doesn't work try setting flags directly yourself |
| 11:32.28 | d-lo | i add that -- to the ./configure? |
| 11:32.29 | brlcad | ./configure LDFLAGS="..." CPPFLAGS="..." CFLAGS=".." |
| 11:32.33 | brlcad | yep |
| 11:32.52 | brlcad | iirc, that may swap the search ordering |
| 11:32.58 | brlcad | but no promises |
| 11:33.05 | d-lo | heh. |
| 11:33.09 | brlcad | it's just as easy to force it manually |
| 11:33.18 | d-lo | make |
| 11:33.24 | d-lo | damn, wrong window. |
| 11:34.33 | d-lo | nope same thing... lemme try setting the LDFLAGS manually. |
| 11:34.38 | d-lo | Thanks for your help btw. |
| 11:36.03 | brlcad | fyi, if you have both, there's not much for brian to do -- you have everything you need |
| 11:36.56 | d-lo | i figured. email not sent yet. |
| 11:39.41 | d-lo | Hrm, well thats annoying. I used ./configure LDFLAGS="blahhblah" and it just appened all the previous flags to the end of what I supplied.... so /usr/X11/lib is still there :/ |
| 11:40.09 | brlcad | ordering matters |
| 11:40.24 | brlcad | doesn't matter if there are extras if it finds the one you need first |
| 11:40.56 | d-lo | is beginning to see what starseeker and others scream about sometimes :) |
| 11:41.22 | brlcad | newbies |
| 11:41.35 | d-lo | Hey! I resemble that remark. |
| 11:43.10 | brlcad | understanding linkage and search paths in detail is usually something hammered in hard in a first-year cs program |
| 11:43.19 | d-lo | are there adverse effects to using make -j ? |
| 11:43.22 | brlcad | at least it used to be |
| 11:43.33 | brlcad | d-lo: yes, it compiles adversely faster |
| 11:43.44 | brlcad | on smp hardware |
| 11:44.55 | d-lo | :P I knew that, just wanted to know if it f-ed up the build in any way. |
| 11:45.28 | brlcad | wouldn't be a very useful option if it did |
| 11:46.20 | d-lo | true, but there is enough nuainces to this whole 'make' thing that its a perfectly valid question/concern :P |
| 11:46.47 | brlcad | only with your current uncertain state of reasoning |
| 11:48.10 | d-lo | ./configure LDFLAGS="-L/usr/X11/lib64" nor ./configure LDFLAGS="-L/usr/X11/lib64" --with-x11=/usr/X11 works... still same errors :? |
| 11:48.13 | brlcad | there are certainly potential effects, as with any option, but nothing that matters right now that you'd run into |
| 11:49.05 | brlcad | look at the actual test in the config.log and see why |
| 11:49.46 | brlcad | could be not using it or something else overriding it or wrong order or missing some other flag or ... |
| 11:50.29 | d-lo | okay, one sec. |
| 11:51.06 | brlcad | could also move the 32bit lib out of the way |
| 11:51.27 | brlcad | but wouldn't do that until you know what all usses it |
| 11:51.46 | brlcad | wanders off for a bit, have fun |
| 11:52.06 | d-lo | lata! |
| 12:05.16 | d-lo | brlcad: I know you are away, but are we still using Doxygen? We moving to something else? |
| 12:12.07 | louipc | I took first year CS 7yrs ago. We learned java. I made a tic tac toe game with the swing toolkit woo. |
| 12:15.08 | starseeker | d-lo: We're still set up to use Doxygen, but I don't know if anyone has played with it lately |
| 12:15.30 | starseeker | we need to do a lot of work on "doxygenifying" things, IIRC |
| 12:15.35 | d-lo | starseeker: Whats the code documentation of choice now? (Or is there?) |
| 12:19.41 | d-lo | starseeker: Docbook is for.... the tutorials and such? |
| 12:21.35 | louipc | docbook is for documenting libraries and such |
| 12:21.59 | louipc | errm not |
| 12:22.06 | louipc | d-lo: you got it :D |
| 12:22.29 | louipc | I just woke up |
| 12:24.02 | d-lo | alrighty then, thanks :) |
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| 12:35.58 | brlquestions | Hi again ! |
| 12:36.19 | louipc | hi |
| 12:36.22 | brlquestions | hi louipc |
| 12:36.33 | brlquestions | I have one question ... |
| 12:36.50 | brlquestions | the g-stl conversor is very slow ... is it normal ? |
| 12:37.15 | louipc | I don't know |
| 12:37.45 | d-lo | g-stl uses the facetiation/tessilation routines and, yes, can be *very slow* |
| 12:37.55 | brlquestions | OK ... thank you d-lo |
| 12:38.13 | brlquestions | I was wondering if there was some pathological operation in my model ... |
| 12:38.25 | d-lo | there have been times where I have fired off a tessilation just before I leave work for the day, so it would be done by the time I get in the next day. |
| 12:38.48 | louipc | is it slower than raytracing? |
| 12:38.55 | d-lo | but these models I speak of are 75-100MB files with tens of thousands of primitives. |
| 12:39.23 | d-lo | louipc: all depends on the complexity of the object(s) you are facetizing. |
| 12:39.29 | brlquestions | No ... I'm talking about 20 minutes for one bezier solid extrusion intersected with a spherical shell |
| 12:39.36 | louipc | ok |
| 12:39.39 | d-lo | gennerally though, raytracing is much much faster. |
| 12:40.43 | d-lo | brlcad: I have only delt with an extrusion *once* in the past 3 years of modeling and then it was for hobby purposes only. I never tried to shove it through a tessilator. |
| 12:41.00 | brlquestions | OK ... thanks ! |
| 12:41.05 | d-lo | Oops, that was ment for brlquestions not brlcad ;) |
| 12:41.10 | d-lo | brlq |
| 12:41.26 | d-lo | brlquestions: If it finishes succesfully, I would like to know the time it took! |
| 12:41.46 | brlquestions | about 20 minutes with a cylindrical shell ... |
| 12:42.00 | louipc | pix or it didn't happen |
| 12:42.00 | brlquestions | the spherical one is running now ! |
| 12:42.08 | d-lo | louipc: lol |
| 12:42.37 | d-lo | brlquestions: how was the quality of the resulting BoT? |
| 12:43.10 | brlquestions | I think it was good ... but anyway I need a spherical shell intersection prior |
| 12:43.15 | brlquestions | to laser sintering it ... |
| 12:45.33 | brlquestions | my boss only wants to perform expensive experiments (sinterizing) only on models closer to final products. |
| 12:45.47 | brlquestions | No cylinders ... spheres !!! |
| 12:46.24 | louipc | sounds neat |
| 12:48.23 | brlquestions | OK ... the tesellation finished right now ! 24 minutes ! |
| 12:48.28 | brlquestions | good results ! |
| 12:53.09 | d-lo | ah, its nice to see all 4 cores at 100% :) |
| 12:54.29 | d-lo | brlcad: I think I found an issue with the Makefiles. in at least two Make files, the LDFLAG of -L/usr/X11/lib64 is being changed to -L/usr/lib64 ... dunno why quite yet |
| 12:55.38 | brlquestions | check your mail d-lo ! |
| 12:55.48 | brlquestions | there's a screen capture of the BoT .. |
| 12:58.53 | d-lo | lookin good! |
| 13:34.12 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33727 10/rt^3/trunk/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Forgot to svn add the GeometryChunk.h file. Also includes a few minor fixes a new Exception subclass. |
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| 13:56.08 | d-lo | anyone: Shouldn't 'make install' copy the includes/ dir over? I am looking for bu.h and it just isn't there... libbu.so is, but not the header.... |
| 13:57.50 | louipc | yeah it should |
| 13:58.11 | d-lo | glares at this evil machine. |
| 13:58.33 | d-lo | More than likely operator error, but for now I blame the machine. |
| 14:00.10 | louipc | :D |
| 14:03.51 | d-lo | a ha. workeded that time. |
| 14:03.56 | d-lo | glares at this evil machine. |
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| 15:27.56 | ``Erik___ | yes, it should go ito $PREFIX/include/ |
| 15:31.03 | brlcad | $prefix/include/brlcad |
| 15:31.20 | brlcad | for the brlcad headers and top-level include for the external dep headers |
| 15:31.59 | d-lo | something went foobar with the first time 'round. removed it and tried again and it worked. |
| 15:32.54 | d-lo | Oddness is that in 2 Makefiles in the tk dirs, the LDFLAG for the X11 was changed from /usr/X11/lib64 to /usr/lib64 .... |
| 15:33.30 | d-lo | quick change back and it was compiling just fine.. |
| 15:34.22 | d-lo | ``Erik: How ya feelin? |
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| 15:44.19 | ``Erik | underground |
| 15:46.16 | starseeker | ``Erik: hiding? |
| 15:46.31 | d-lo | Well I just got the call from my oldest's school... apperantly he blew chunks all over the playground..... Just when i thought we had this bug beat.... |
| 15:46.44 | starseeker | arrgh |
| 15:46.56 | _sushi_ | blew chunks all over the playground? |
| 15:47.15 | d-lo | vomit |
| 15:49.27 | ``Erik | I assume the whif is collecing thim? |
| 15:49.33 | ``Erik | s/ t/ / |
| 15:50.01 | ``Erik | hope is recoups soon :( |
| 15:50.08 | ``Erik | s/is/he/ |
| 15:50.21 | _sushi_ | d-lo: what bug? |
| 15:50.22 | ``Erik | keyboard is outsmarting me today |
| 15:50.27 | d-lo | Yuppers. just got a little concerned with that call and you not being here either.... might be a trend and I don't want to burn any more sick leave :/ |
| 15:50.46 | d-lo | _sushi_: Stomach flu probably. |
| 15:50.59 | ``Erik | no, I drank myself fucktarded last night and am recouping |
| 15:51.14 | ``Erik | <-- epic fail. |
| 15:51.27 | starseeker | what'd you do that for??? |
| 15:51.33 | d-lo | ah, okay, well then perhaps its not another epidemic :/ |
| 15:51.38 | ``Erik | uh, same reason folk climb everest |
| 15:51.56 | ``Erik | one tequlia two tequila three tequila floor :) |
| 15:52.06 | starseeker | shakes head |
| 15:52.13 | d-lo | Playing MMOs while heavily intoxicated is a whole new level of entertainment. |
| 15:52.18 | ``Erik | oh yeah |
| 15:52.32 | ``Erik | punker recounted last nights mmo episode to me |
| 15:52.36 | starseeker | you might want to pick a somewhat less physically damaging pointless challenge ;-) |
| 15:52.36 | ``Erik | I was in rare form :D |
| 15:53.10 | d-lo | there is nothing worse than an 'angry drunk' Dwarf at the bar.... man they can be A-holes. |
| 15:53.12 | ``Erik | apparently, I am very giving and loving when fucked up |
| 15:53.30 | starseeker | wow, you WERE smashed ;-) |
| 15:53.40 | ``Erik | "no, I don't need loot, I'm happy with the experience... dude, you wanna go grab a beer? come on down to baltirmoe, man" |
| 15:54.05 | d-lo | lol |
| 15:54.42 | d-lo | loots a *glowing* Pint of Guiness + 4 |
| 15:54.56 | ``Erik | so yeah, I felt the notion of driving this morning would have been ... bad :) |
| 15:55.57 | d-lo | good call. |
| 15:56.09 | ``Erik | amusingly, I've done some of my best coding either drunk off my arse, or right after my wisdom teeth, one shattered so they gave me a codeine cocktail, I was wobbling in my chair but knocked out a buttload of code |
| 15:56.19 | d-lo | gives you a chance to go farming and make up for the income loss that occurred last night :) |
| 15:56.32 | ``Erik | meh, I got money out the butt on that game |
| 15:56.57 | ``Erik | as usual, the upgrade are strictly from places I'm not geared to go. |
| 15:57.10 | d-lo | didn't need to know what ``Erik did with his money while drunk.... |
| 15:57.21 | ``Erik | they went all donation and gave me luvin' last night, and I went and liquored myself up stupid to fuck shit up |
| 15:57.41 | ``Erik | <-- pissed at himself |
| 15:58.06 | d-lo | No Leeroy then? More Erik Teresa that normal? :D |
| 15:58.24 | ``Erik | heh, no, I don't leroy, I go all pussyfood |
| 15:58.27 | ``Erik | foot |
| 15:58.41 | ``Erik | "wait, what? did you guys pull? I LOVE YOU MANG" |
| 15:59.16 | d-lo | Personnally, I think suicidal raids on zones with naked toons is funny. |
| 15:59.26 | ``Erik | "I don't need loot, I'm just happy I'm here" |
| 15:59.34 | d-lo | Both to watch and participate in. |
| 15:59.47 | ``Erik | heh, that's become a tradition, everyone groups up at the instance start and the tank is standing there butt nekkid |
| 15:59.50 | d-lo | lol, just Lovin Life eh? |
| 16:00.46 | d-lo | once I get my lappy back to some resemblance of useful, I will install wine and see if I can get some games runnin :) |
| 16:00.57 | ``Erik | and I've participated in full group nekkid runs through instances (the notion being we die, we die a lot, we're trying to eliminate the repair cost) |
| 16:01.14 | ``Erik | just buy yourself a mac, man :D |
| 16:01.23 | ``Erik | e-humps steve jobs leg |
| 16:01.32 | d-lo | has a better idea: You buy me a Mac! |
| 16:01.41 | d-lo | lol |
| 16:01.43 | d-lo | down boy |
| 16:02.23 | ``Erik | if'n yall want a long lunch, I'll come down to duclaws or festival or something |
| 16:02.32 | d-lo | You don't happen to know if OSX has been sucessfully installed/ran on non Apple hardware... do ya? |
| 16:02.47 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33729 10/jbrlcad/trunk/src/org/brlcad/samples/GetRegionMap.java: Eliminated use of java 6 specifics, because this is now used in gomez (needs to be java 5 compatible) |
| 16:03.05 | ``Erik | um, there was a system that apple sued out of existance that did it |
| 16:03.21 | d-lo | well, i was talking more 'hack' that legit. |
| 16:03.23 | ``Erik | and um, there was just an article on how to do it on smackslot a couple days ago |
| 16:03.56 | d-lo | thinks running OSX on a Dell would be funny :) |
| 16:04.00 | ``Erik | franky, apple puts out some damn nice hardware, I think it's worth the premium |
| 16:04.12 | d-lo | agrees. |
| 16:04.26 | d-lo | but worth it or not, new puter hardware is not in the budget. |
| 16:04.29 | ``Erik | I'm a bit pissed that I can't find teh white&clear keyboard anymore |
| 16:05.01 | d-lo | lol.... Hackintosh OSX |
| 16:05.56 | ``Erik | the new style keyboard is awfully well built, but lacks |
| 16:06.27 | ``Erik | <-- hugs his macbook, but admits that it's not egonomeric |
| 16:07.05 | d-lo | in the words of the unknown Apple FanBoi: "sure, its not ergonmic or cheap, but its an Apple!" |
| 16:07.22 | ``Erik | yeah, pretty much |
| 16:07.25 | d-lo | can't remember where he heard that, but it made him ill. |
| 16:07.34 | d-lo | i felt like smacking that guy. |
| 16:07.43 | ``Erik | at least it still has nipples |
| 16:08.21 | ``Erik | though when they moved them from the middle fingers to the pointers, that pissed me off |
| 16:08.35 | ``Erik | they belong on d and k, not f and j, damnit |
| 16:08.49 | ``Erik | shakes cane |
| 16:09.00 | d-lo | lol |
| 16:09.13 | d-lo | so, where are these lunch places in which you speak? |
| 16:09.29 | ``Erik | duclaws is kinda close to the harford mall |
| 16:09.34 | ``Erik | festival is down 24 |
| 16:09.52 | ``Erik | they're generally considered "too far away" for lunch |
| 16:10.39 | ``Erik | 2+ hour dealies |
| 16:10.48 | d-lo | ah, well never mind then :/ |
| 16:10.51 | ``Erik | but I wont' drive an hour to go to lunch :) |
| 16:11.31 | ``Erik | yeah, I assumed *shrug* |
| 16:12.26 | ``Erik | duclaws is a microbrewery, so not up your alley anways |
| 16:12.35 | d-lo | heh, I really do think I am going to try this Hackentosh approach ;) |
| 16:12.36 | ``Erik | festival has a japanese place that isn't too bad |
| 16:13.15 | ``Erik | totally, the killer is gonna be the bios crap, macs used to use openfirmware and are now like epi or something |
| 16:13.41 | ``Erik | so you'll need 10.5 and the right hw |
| 16:14.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ... can be done with qemu... is a lot of work, and requires just the right hardware to avoid some /serious/ driver issues |
| 16:15.40 | d-lo | need to aquire 10.5 for some testing ;) |
| 16:15.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | I would say not worth it in all but the most unique circumstances (must run x software on y hardware, cannot afford correct solution) |
| 16:16.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | convince someone to give you shell access to their machine |
| 16:16.37 | d-lo | you lost me... |
| 16:17.06 | d-lo | why would I need shell access to someone else's machine? |
| 16:17.08 | Dr_Phreakenstein | find someont with 10.5 and get them to let you have some time on their HW |
| 16:17.39 | d-lo | for what purpose? |
| 16:18.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | [20090210 08:15:42] <d-lo> need to aquire 10.5 for some testing ;) |
| 16:18.58 | d-lo | heh, I mend the disc(s) for installation testing. |
| 16:19.06 | d-lo | s/mend/meant/ |
| 16:20.22 | Dr_Phreakenstein | why the need for installation testing? it will work on real HW, fail on most everything else (BIOS checksum, or other scheme to lock you out) |
| 16:20.56 | d-lo | I have a Dell lappy, and I want to see if i can get OS10.5 running on it :) |
| 16:21.31 | ``Erik | just grab fbsd :D or linux, y'know, if you're lame |
| 16:21.48 | Dr_Phreakenstein | clears throat |
| 16:21.52 | Dr_Phreakenstein | loudly |
| 16:22.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | then chants "gentoo, gentoo!" |
| 16:22.16 | ``Erik | sorry, done too much kernel work, can't respect leenewx no mo' |
| 16:22.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that's you, man |
| 16:22.52 | ``Erik | yes, that is me |
| 16:23.02 | d-lo | i was wondering who that was... |
| 16:23.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | I have converted from winedo$e in 96, and never looked back |
| 16:23.49 | ``Erik | I went to linux in '95, fbsd in '97 or '98, after witnessing the horrors from kernel hacking |
| 16:23.58 | Dr_Phreakenstein | tried bsd in 98 or so, not impressed, went back to slackware |
| 16:24.04 | ``Erik | been a kernel hacker of some form or another since '86 |
| 16:24.28 | Dr_Phreakenstein | well, back then, fbsd was a much better kernel |
| 16:24.28 | ``Erik | interrupt vectors on c64's, yo |
| 16:24.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ! |
| 16:24.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | I had one... |
| 16:24.59 | d-lo | You don't know the power of the Vic-20 .... |
| 16:25.07 | ``Erik | been watching, linux has spastic upgrades, but often throws them away and adopts what fbsd did 5 years before |
| 16:25.16 | Dr_Phreakenstein | sold it to that chick that reverse engineered it and made one in FPGAs |
| 16:25.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | they were popular in Germany, I am told |
| 16:25.57 | ``Erik | in the last decade, I've seen ONE significant linux accomplishment adopted into fbsd. One. |
| 16:25.59 | Dr_Phreakenstein | no, i don't know the power of vic-20 |
| 16:26.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ok |
| 16:26.29 | ``Erik | the zero copy network shit, which was re-organized like mad due to security concerns :D |
| 16:26.50 | ``Erik | though ingo's scheduler got some attention |
| 16:26.51 | Dr_Phreakenstein | still not switching, too much infrastructure in place, time learning, also i like the performance i get |
| 16:26.57 | d-lo | way out int he middle of the AZ desert.. I was l33t with my cassette drive... my parents pheared me. |
| 16:27.18 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ... until global warming melted your tape |
| 16:27.21 | ``Erik | hehehhe, I was buying the 120 minute cassettes to hold more data :D |
| 16:27.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ... wait, that was just an ordinary day in may |
| 16:27.37 | d-lo | I think I ended up taking the whole machine out for target practice one day... |
| 16:27.48 | ``Erik | yes, they failed sooner, and had a higher doa, but when they worked, it was sweet |
| 16:28.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | anyone ever use a 2.88 mB 3.5" floppy? |
| 16:28.27 | Dr_Phreakenstein | WORM? |
| 16:28.40 | d-lo | yeah, the 'super-HD'floppies. |
| 16:28.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | or ls-120 super disk |
| 16:28.58 | d-lo | never messed with them much.... jumped straight to 'SuperDisk' ! |
| 16:28.58 | Dr_Phreakenstein | from panasonic |
| 16:29.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | nice |
| 16:29.27 | d-lo | I was on the iOmega Zip Disk bandwagon for a while... |
| 16:30.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | until wheels fell off..."read error !@#$&$%T#$..." |
| 16:30.13 | d-lo | yeah, that was a waste of money. |
| 16:30.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | SD cards, that's the way to go. or CF |
| 16:30.56 | Dr_Phreakenstein | a great backup solution, they are |
| 16:31.23 | Dr_Phreakenstein | 32 gig CF, get 2 of them to B/U system on rotating basis |
| 16:32.05 | d-lo | heh, um, I have 2 500GB drives, 1 160 and a handfull of 80's.... won't work for me :/ |
| 16:32.22 | Dr_Phreakenstein | that's all? |
| 16:32.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | I have lot's more, but everything else is on RAID |
| 16:33.35 | Dr_Phreakenstein | with (ahem) gentoo, all of my packages are tarred and bzipped in a certain dir, and that is not much data |
| 16:34.08 | Dr_Phreakenstein | add that to a tar file of my etc dir and boot dir, and that is a good backup |
| 16:34.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | crap! gotta go to class |
| 16:34.34 | Dr_Phreakenstein | have fun, kids |
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| 16:34.58 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33730 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/ (run_test run_test.tcl): Take a stab at getting a run_test sh script/tcl script hybrid |
| 16:35.47 | d-lo | and you can back 1.5TB+ up on 2 32Gig CF cards with Gentoo? Thats Frickin amazing!!!!!! :P |
| 16:40.06 | d-lo | well, without furthing any HardDrive envy that is floating around here, the 1TB (ish) i have is a pain in the butt to back up to CDs as it is, so using CF cards would make me want to gouge my own eyes out. |
| 16:40.10 | d-lo | ;) |
| 16:44.04 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33731 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/run_test: Go for a system tclsh if the local btclsh isn't found - for this it won't matter. |
| 16:46.16 | brlcad | starseeker: if you're not mid-stream, distcheck |
| 16:47.44 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33732 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/run_test: Allow user to supply source directory as second option |
| 16:47.50 | starseeker | brlcad: Ok, I'm sure I'm busted on that ;-) |
| 16:48.07 | starseeker | you're happy with the mged fix for the no-db case? |
| 16:48.26 | d-lo | brlcad: In looking through libpkg, i am thinking it is posible to use libpkg with out passing a callback table to a pkg_conn .....that sound about right? |
| 16:52.05 | d-lo | brlcad: Message from Ed: Call him at x6300. |
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| 17:20.37 | starseeker | prods CIA |
| 17:23.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33733 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/Makefile.am: It's run_test now |
| 17:34.41 | d-lo | brlcad: I will need to sitdown and talk libpkg with you... I am just not seeing the light :/ |
| 17:38.12 | starseeker | brlcad: make distcheck passed on the Mac |
| 18:30.16 | starseeker | and on linux |
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| 19:55.09 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33734 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/ (11 files): Add the geometry displaying commands to regress/mged/mged.tcl |
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| 20:56.03 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33735 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS src/gtools/g_diff.c): fixed g_diff crash reported by lee butler where g_diff crashed with a badmagic error bu_bomb'ing out due to an uninitialized vls. looks like it is possibly related to earlier changes. |
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| 21:41.29 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33736 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: need to fix two more critical bugs before release. File->Open in MGED crashes and the 'gets' command locks it up saying the variable is not defined (or it crashes/freezes). |
| 21:42.35 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r33737 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: see the gets example in its manpage |
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| 22:21.17 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33738 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/ (5 files): Start on editing commands. |
| 22:46.44 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33739 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged/ (Makefile.am oed.mged regression_resources.tcl): add oed testing |
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| 23:22.12 | poolio | Howdy all |
| 23:22.15 | poolio | congrats on the release :) |
| 23:37.25 | louipc | oh! I missed that |
| 23:55.01 | brlcad | poolio: not worthy of congrats, escaped with a handful of critical bugs |
| 23:55.05 | brlcad | had to pull it shortly after |
| 23:56.43 | poolio | ah sorry to hear that, is it all worked out yet or is that the reason for the flurry of commits? |
| 23:57.26 | brlcad | nope, just normal flurry |
| 23:57.39 | brlcad | though lot of flurry going into testing as there may be other isses |
| 23:57.58 | brlcad | half of the known ones are worked out, couple to go |
| 23:58.31 | poolio | good luck! I've had a few bugs recently that took a few weeks to work out... |
| 23:58.53 | brlcad | yeah, these shouldn't be too complicated |
| 23:59.02 | brlcad | it's only been a couple days |
| 23:59.13 | brlcad | and three were just discovered today |
| 23:59.25 | brlcad | one already fixed |
| 23:59.33 | brlcad | two to go |
| 23:59.57 | poolio | Were there issues in trunk or were these introduced while tagging and such? |